Full Show Podcast: 19 September 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Setting the news agenda and digging into the issues. The
Mic Hosking breakfast with our feeder, Retirement, Communities, Life Your
Way news togs.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
D be Mollie and welcome to David sat In our
economy there are numbers galore. Projects to shedload more workers
as well for our begin for to structure projects are David
Seymour outlines new developments for charmer schools and how they're
going to be measured. Lee Child is back for a
catch up art the right. Joan mckennison, Roman Rod Liddle
does the mighty U United Kingdom for us pasky lead.
Welcome to the day, seven past six. Couple of big

(00:31):
deal economic numbers today. One, the world is on edge
for its well the edge of its seat for the
feed and whether it's twenty five points or fifty and
I can tell you it's just gone fifty and what
that says about a so called soft landing More shortly
and then two here our GDP figure for the second
quarter that's April, May and June. The FED matters, of course,
because America matters. Where they go, we all go. Not

(00:51):
really the same. For our GDP figure. We sort of
carry that all by ourselves. The almost certain reality is
our economy went backwards, and what makes that worse is
but went backwards in Q two. The next time we
talk about all the stuff is for Q three, and
it will have gone backwards again as well. Q three,
which is what we're experiencing right now, is not a
marked improvement or indeed any sort of improvement on Q two.

(01:11):
This has been a winter of real discontent. We continue
to pay the price for an astonishing level of fiscal
and aptitude, if not criminality, from the previous government. I
repeat my challenge that, by the way, no one has
been able to respond to find me a country in
the entire world that we would compare ourselves to that
will have experienced three recessions as a result of their

(01:33):
response to COVID. In the States, the only level of
debate they've had is a little bit of tension around
whether the Fed moved a bit slowly, whether by being
a bit tardy the American economy ran any sort of
risk at all of slipping into any sort of recession.
And that really was a bunch of nervous nellies who,
having watched the economy, defined most levels of expectation around
jobs and wages and spending then started to slower a bit,
so Q the panic is meantime here we've had real

(01:56):
reason to panic, and we have had real economy contracting
over and over and over again. If Q three figures
are negative, that's six quarters of contraction. The upside, it's retrospective.
It's where we have been and maybe, just maybe there
are better days ahead. But what the numbers today show,
beyond the shadow of a doubt, is when you vote,

(02:16):
think about who it is you hand the power to,
because the wrong hands can cause untold damage.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
News of the world in ninety seconds.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Is rightly strike again. We think this time with exploding
walky talkies, it's carnage.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
There was something perhaps in car radios. One of the
cars that we passed on down that funeral I saw
there was blood splattered on the outside of the car,
but also inside the car, on the seats inside the car.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
See, everyone assumes it's Israel.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
We don't know if Israel were behind the second wave
of attacks. Is highly likely that they were, owing it
to the fact that it appears this second wave occurred
twenty four hours after the first wave of pager attacks,
which the Israeli Mossad and military were behind.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
The outworking of it. All is his below have been
badly hit.

Speaker 5 (03:05):
They're all trying to find out what's going on. They're
all trying to re establish communications. And this means that
the Israelis are going to be building out a target
picture of where his balla is.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
And then to the stites where these lawyers running solid
defense for his client.

Speaker 6 (03:23):
These were adults in a relationship. This is a ten
year relationship. We can't forget that. This is a ten
year relationship and it was adults and consensual and everybody
who was there wanted to be there.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
And as far as the Gulf Coles Trump miss is concerned,
we haven't signed into mister Routh from a coup who
dealt with him previously.

Speaker 7 (03:40):
He liked to run his mouth and played the victim.
You know, he felt the city was always against him
and he would file complaints against myself and other officers,
feeling that we were picking on him.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
As mister Trump, He's got a why they want to
kill me theory?

Speaker 8 (03:55):
You know, only consequential presidents get shot at when I
say something like that. You have countries saying this guy,
but what can you do?

Speaker 9 (04:07):
You have to do.

Speaker 10 (04:07):
You have to do what you have to do right.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
News of the World in ninety second, by the way,
outside of the feed, which just a repeat if you've
missed it, it's fifty points so more analysis in a moment,
UK two point two on inflation. They expected two point two,
they got two point two. So that's where they sit
this morning. It's eleven past.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
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Speaker 2 (04:35):
Also in Europe, Google's going to be happy the Union's
second highest court. There was one and a half billion
euro fine at play here. It's an anti trust find
imposed on Google by them. They want it now a nulled.
This goes back to twenty nineteen. The European Commission said
Google abused its market dominance in relation to ad Sense.

(04:55):
The product allowed website owners to deliver ads to search
results on their own pages, but Google Access and intermediay.
The Commission of the Leaders that Google abused that market
dominance by imposing a number of restrictive clauses. So we'll
see where that goes. It'll go to the next court
like it always goes. But a rare win for big
tech fourteen past Andrew Kella A good morning, very good morning, Mike.

(05:17):
So we're wrong. It wasn't twenty five.

Speaker 11 (05:19):
Yeah, yeah, we were well.

Speaker 12 (05:20):
I thought they would go twenty five and that was
just on balance the risk. But they've gone, They've gone
fifty basis points. I'd have to probably say that that
was probably where.

Speaker 11 (05:31):
The market was.

Speaker 12 (05:32):
I suppose the hot money was pitching where it would land.
There was a theory prior to the decision that subtle
leaks have been made to sort of key media outlets
basically endorsing the fifty basis points.

Speaker 11 (05:42):
Now I'll make a.

Speaker 12 (05:43):
Few comments, but of course they're all sort of conditional
on what Powe do us say at the press conference afterwards,
So these could be completely wrong when he comes out
and talks. But look what they've said, and when we
look at the sort of the nuances of what they've said,
I think the important message here is they say they're
strongly committed to fully employment risks are still in balance.

(06:05):
Straight away we've seen long term years fall. But what
seems to be happening here is remember, the Fed Reserve
has a dual mandate unlike the RBNZ, so they're focusing
on creating sustainble conditions for sustainable maximum sustainable employment, and
also inflation. They seem to have got themselves comfortable around inflation,
so there's sort of there's a nuance, and there's a
pivot back to the employment market. So they're concerned over

(06:28):
the trajector or a potential trajection of the labor market.
We can see this is when you look in the numbers.
At one stage they were predicting the unemployment rate to
be around four percent in this in this iteration, you've
now got inflation at four point sorry, unemployment at four
point four percent, so they seem to be getting a
little bit more concerned about employment. A couple of interesting facts.

(06:49):
This decision was not unanimous. One FED member did dissent.
Descents are unusual, which seems to seems to imply that
the risks here were sort of fairly evenly balanced. They've
gained greater confidence over the inflation moving sustainably towards two percent.
They say that in the statement, so and the risks
are essentially balanced.

Speaker 11 (07:08):
I suppose in terms of reaction.

Speaker 12 (07:11):
What we saw immediately was a slightly weaker US dollar.
So we can see that in the cross against the
new Zealand dollar. I think you know, we're going to
see the share markets bounce around now over the next
twenty four hours and becast risks were so finally balanced
going into this, and whether I go twenty five or fifty,
I think you're going to have to wait for twenty
four hours actually to see where does that hot money land?

(07:32):
Have We got to buy the rumor sell the fact
event here but pretty interesting and then we say what
does this mean for the RBNZ It does it em
bolden them to move rates a little bit more quickly?
And I'm not so sure about that.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Interesting times rhyme's up at about ten minutes. Sin Lay
very pleased for them. They got that through, Yeah they did.

Speaker 12 (07:50):
So this is the ongoing sagon being played out by Sinela.
They had an important milestone yesterday. I don't think it's
necessarily the end point they might, but it certainly buys
them some time. So yesterday Shareholder A shareholders met and
done sand altivot and the proposal to raise for the
equity for the share capital plenty of news coverage house
and they ended up here borrowing a lot of money
building Pocono, never getting the returns out of it.

Speaker 11 (08:10):
Throwing some high interest rates as well.

Speaker 12 (08:12):
Anyway, they've had to pass these resolutions, so more shares
of initial to Bright Dairy major shareholder A to milk.
Bright Dairy now owned sixty five percent. The whole arrangement
was conditioned on bank funding, a refunding sin being greed.

Speaker 11 (08:24):
That has occurred just issue here. Look at the old
retail shareholders here. They used to earn forty one percent
of the company.

Speaker 12 (08:31):
Now they own fourteen point nine so they've been significantly diluted.
Company lives to fight another day, still in turnaround road,
and there are still challenges in front of them.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
And then we come to our economy DUDP today, which
will be ugly of course, and that's thebtailing into the
current account which is also still ugly as yeah.

Speaker 12 (08:48):
And so I suppose to concern here is that as
the I suppose it's trajectory because the current gowun deficits
unchanged THISS came out yesterday. It's six point seven percent
of GDP. Just our international liability position where we owe
more than we own, that's gone to forty nine point
seven percent of GDPROOF and forty eight point six So
if you look at the real numbers here. Current account

(09:09):
deficit for the year twenty seven point eight billion through
the end of June.

Speaker 11 (09:14):
It was twenty seven point six.

Speaker 12 (09:16):
Billion in the first quarter, and the quarterly number a
little bit more for the June quarter than the March quarter.
That the problem we've got here is what we want
to see as a gradual improvement in the current account
deficit Mike, and it's not.

Speaker 11 (09:28):
It's flatlining.

Speaker 12 (09:29):
So I think that's disappointing from the point of view
of how the credit agencies are going to view that.
For that level of comfort, we want to see it improving. Look,
it's not a market mover, and it moves very slowly,
but I think people would like to have seen even
a small improvement there hasn't happened exactly. Numbers please right,
So as we look at it now, the Dow Jones

(09:50):
are the Dow Jones is up.

Speaker 11 (09:52):
I'm looking at four one triple seven, so that's up
point four percent. The S and P five hundred up just.

Speaker 12 (09:58):
Over half a percent, five six six three in the
Nasdaq seventeen thousand, seven hundred and sixty seven, that's up
point eighty percent. So that's all at the moment. Positive
reaction their interest rates have fallen as well. The FOOTSO
one hundred overnight lost point six eight percent eight two
five three, the NIK three six three eight, oh, it
was up about half a percent. Shanghai competed up small

(10:20):
two seven one seven, the A six two hundred, yes,
they barely changed eight one four to two, and the
N SX fifty we lost eighty five points twelve thousand,
eight hundred.

Speaker 11 (10:28):
And fifty six.

Speaker 12 (10:29):
Now, when we spoke yesterday, Mike Qi dollar was in
the sixty ones, about sixty one seventy sixty one eighty.
I just checked it a second ago. It turned out
point six two four four. So we are stronger against
the US dollar point nine one eight five against the
ossie point five to five nine one euro point four
to seven o five pounds eighty seven point nine at
Japanese en gold is trading at two thousand, five hundred

(10:51):
and eighty six dollars, are still strong, and Brent crude
seventy three dollars and forty cents GDP.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah, exactly, look forward to it. What do you call,
by the way, minus point a point four Okay, Well,
I'm seeing tomorrow Jamiwell dot co dot m Z pasking
cars for you this weekend. Robin Dixon from Southland. He's
passed away now but he had a collection of cars.
They're up for auction this weekend, thirty of them. There's
a dark blue nineteen twenty four Buick four Tour. There's

(11:20):
a whole bunch of In fact, there's six model t Fords.
He was a wall byer, so he used to wander
around farms and looking barns and stuff and going, my word,
that's a nice looking car. He's got a nineteen oh
two Rambler mint condition. Southern Field Day Sight at Yamoumood
This coming Saturday. People are coming in from England, They're
coming in from the States, they're coming in from Australia.
Here's the key to all of this. No reserves on

(11:43):
any of the lots. So if you're a car nut
and get into it. I'm sure it's online. Six twenty one.
You're at News Talk SeeDB. You'd say.

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Speaker 2 (12:00):
Can you please repeat where all those cars are for sale?
Keep up with the program. Southern Field Day site, y mum,
it'll almost certainly be online, Google it and you'll be fine.
I've got some interesting polling out of America, a sort
of poll of polls for you shortly, but while we're
on this FED thing, and we'll stand by for paled
at half pas six. The CNBC people that did a
FED survey top us economists and fund managers, and there's

(12:22):
been a complete turnaround on who they think is going
to win the election. They see Harris. Now, it's not
their personal opinion, it's just how they see it unfolding.
Forty eight percent of them think Harris is going to win,
versus forty one percent for Trump. Back in July, it
was fifty for Trump versus thirty seven for Harris. So
she's turned the tide materially in the last couple of weeks.

(12:43):
Fifty six percent say a Trump presidency would be better
for the stock market as far as the broader economies concerned.
Forty four percent see Trump is a better candidate for
the economy as a whole, forty one percent for Harris.
The four cars of Harris's economic proposals would be better
for budget deficits and trade policies, but they give Trump
hire marks for policy proposals that would impact, business, relegation,

(13:03):
regulation rather inflation, jobs and taxes. None of it matters
because their broad feeling is that Harris is gonna win it.

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which leaves what at number one, Brigitton Go Figure News
for you in a couple of moments. Then to the
automotive industry. We've got some issues. Hopefully we've got some solutions,
so we'll coruntry through the detail.

Speaker 9 (14:56):
In a moment.

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Speaker 2 (15:12):
No shortage of commentary that this was the most consequential
decision by the Fate in a long, long time. He
is the explanation.

Speaker 16 (15:21):
Recent indicators suggests that economic activity has continued to expand
at a solid pace. GDP rose at an annual rate
of two point two percent in the first half of
the year, and available data point to a roughly similar
pace of growth this quarter. Growth of consumer spending has
remained resilient, and investment in equipment and intangibles has picked

(15:41):
up from its anemic pace last year. In our summary
of economic projections, committee participants generally expect GDP growth to
remain solid, with a medium projection of two percent over
the next few years.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Away meantime, Melanie's got a depictor in a party, so
we'll go to Whittley and Joe shortly. Meantime, back here
at twenty three minutes away from seven to call this
morning for the automotive sector to bring training back in house.
We've got a group of about twenty industry organizations wanting
an industry lead, industry owned approach. The MTA chief executive
Lee Marshalls with us on this leave. Very good morning
to you.

Speaker 17 (16:17):
Good morning, Mike.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Is there anything actually stopping you getting on with it?

Speaker 17 (16:22):
Well, I guess ultimately it's not up to us as
it currently stands. MITO, which looks after workplace learning or
apprenticeship for the automotive industry, is part of Tippukenger, so
it's really part of that consultation that's currently or has
just finished with regards to what happens with the vacational
education system. And our ask is that workplace learning for

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automotive is broken out and returns to industry ownership and leadership.
Because what happened under the Tippukinger model, I guess could
be best described as aagnation and that's just not acceptable
for our industry.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Now, I don't blame you because it's a complete nuter cluster.
If it hadn't been t pou Kingard, in other words,
it was the old polytics system, would that have still
been okay? Or is just the system not right for
you guys and you need to do your own thing.

Speaker 17 (17:14):
Look, I wouldn't claim that the old model was perfect,
but I think we definitely went backwards. Under the Tipu
Kenger model. Standard setting in particular was given to the
workforce development councils, which not for every industry as I
understand it, but certainly for our industry, was incredibly ineffective.
And at a time when you know, the technology that

(17:34):
you see in cars is changing at an exponential rate
and the education system needs to keep up with that,
and it just hasn't we take the view that any
body that leads training for our industry needs to be
first accountable to the industry it serves, rather than government.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
So any other industry, would they be all arguing the
same thing or are you sort of somehow but unique?

Speaker 17 (18:02):
I think, to be honest, it probably depends on the sector,
and it probably depends on how much confidence that industry
had in their body. I mean, I think one of
the challenges that we had for automotive is that the
problems that Tippukenga was meant to solve, that of standards, fragmentation,
lots of different bodies doing different things for the same cause,

(18:23):
and lack of financial performance. Neither of those applied to automotive.
It did work and it did not operate at a loss.
So in many ways, I think it depends like there
would be others who would have liked the system as
it happens because it solved some of those problems, but
for us it was always irrelevant. We've gone backwards. We'd
like to see it broken back out. We'd like to

(18:45):
see more of a focus on workplace learning for our industry.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
That was the argument at the time. Not everything was broken.
Penny Simmons ironically is now a cabinet minister. She was
running the Southern and they were one of the most
successful in the country. But Chris Hepkins, who knows better
than anybody, of course, CDs, it doesn't matter how well
you're doing. We'll put it all together, good old Chris.
I the thing about the cows I am interested in
in and and surely everybody knows that the evolution of

(19:10):
what's going on under the bonnet is exponential. Why aren't
they keeping up with it or why don't they understand
they need to keep up with it?

Speaker 17 (19:18):
So under the Tatoo King, a model standard setting was
removed from the entity that organizes training might go in
our industry's instance, and it was given to the workforce
development councils. And I guess I can only say, like
you know, having dealt with many of these people, even myself,
you know that they approached it with the very best
of intents, but it just ultimately did not deliver anything.

(19:42):
We really saw two years of stagnation. And the problem
with that is you end up with the opposite problem
to what you were trying to solve, because if it
stagnates for too long, then you'll just have the private
sector developing everything the industry needs itself, and all of
a sudden you end up with a fragmented system that
you were trying to void in the beginning. So there is,

(20:03):
in any case like we'd like to see it returns
to industry ownership. We'd like to see a workplace learning focus.
We know that the best people in the automotive industry
learned by doing the job, not learning in a classroom.
You know the purpose of the vacational education system should
not be to get bums on seats to pay. You know,
polytech operating deficits.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Are going to You're making far too much since you've
been far too logical here. It's it's it's got to stop. Listen.
I appreciate your insight. Le Mars shall be empty Chief Executive.
Who would have thought that the Minister of Education Chris
Hipkins didn't know what he was talking about eighteen minutes
away from seven previous government speaking of which isn't just
guilty of Ricklers spending, but they also did the best

(20:47):
to destroy this country's income by attacking the farmers with
unnecessary regulation, the destruction of tourism and hospitality, and the
cancelation of the mining industry. You can't help but think
they purposely set out to destroy the economy. It's plenty
of evidence that would back you up. Morning, Mike. While
I watch our ex prime minister traveling around the world
being acknowledged by leader's worldwide for being a great leader
for her kindness, it makes me sick. I'd like to

(21:08):
ask de Cinder if she actually understands what she and
her party have done to our beautiful country. Not only
has she bankrupted it, but she has also divided it.
Here they are grant and getting on with their lives
as if they've done nothing wrong, and not having to
struggle as they are so well paid. It is so unfair.
I think we'll probably get a lot of sympathetic ears
on that one this morning as well. Seventeen to two.

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Speaker 18 (22:02):
How are you, I'm great, Mike how are you?

Speaker 2 (22:05):
I'm very well? And how about Keyo Stara than Go.
I found it fascinating to the extent that you couldn't
find two more diametrically opposed current leaders, could you Maloney
on the right and Kio Starmer on the lift, both
looking for some sort of common ground over migrants exactly.

Speaker 18 (22:20):
And I knew you'd be wondering if Maloney's relationship was
similar to her relationship with his predecessor, Rishi Sunak. But
it seems like they did get on very well. Lots
of compliments both ways. Starma obviously admires what Italy has
done with immigration. It's a much tougher task, I think
for him dealing with migrants coming across the channel that

(22:42):
it is across the Mediterranean.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
But they didn't.

Speaker 18 (22:46):
Agree on everything. They did not seem to agree on
the use of long range missiles in Russia. That's something
that was non negotiable for Maloney. But Starmer is certainly
very interested in what the Italians are doing with the
controversy Albanian migrant centers, which are due to open I
think later this month.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
What's the difference because Starma killed Rwanda and yet Italy's
got Albania and Italy is seen as a success story.
So well, what's he actually looking to achieve, what's he
looking to do, what's acceptable, what's not?

Speaker 18 (23:15):
Well, I don't know that he can adopt the same model,
but certainly the Italians have invested in Albania. It's a
NATO ally, it's trying to seek EU membership Albania. Can
the UK try and send migrants there? Well, the Italians
are going to pick up migrants in the Mediterranean, and

(23:38):
if they don't have a good reason to be that
they're going to be sent to Albania. It could be
quite a different task for the Brits to do the
same thing.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Give me the word on this defection. What's happened here?

Speaker 18 (23:49):
Well, we're talking about a member of the Mussolini family.
So this is Mussolini. She's the granddaughter of the fascist dictator.
She's been part of brother of Italy, Georgia Maloney's party,
but after twenty years she says she wants something more moderate,
and so she's defected to Forts Italia, the old party
of Berlusconi. She thinks that Maloney's too hardline on lgbto

(24:15):
Q and gay marriage as and she wants to see
children of migrants becoming Italian citizens, which is still a
big issue in this country.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
So she moved from the party or the parties moved
away from her would be the a she's moved.

Speaker 18 (24:29):
Away from the party.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Actually looking got soft in her old age is what
we're saying. She still looks quite young. Now, how is
it possible can a cabinet really discuss chemical car strating?
I mean, could you come out from a cabinet meeting
and go We have today decided in twenty twenty four
as part of the cabinet meeting, we are going to

(24:50):
chemically cast straight even rapist. We're going to start chemically castra.
Is that what first world nations do early days?

Speaker 18 (24:59):
But this is something and it's been dear to the
hearts of members of the League party. Our friend Matteo Slovini,
I think, has talked about this in the past. Now
they're pushing for at least a parliamentary commission or a
committee to look at this in more detail. Will we
see chemical castration of rapists in Italy? I think we're
a long way from that, but they certainly want to

(25:20):
put it on the agenda and set up some sort
of inquiry into that.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Well, now, this wine business, you being the world's top producer,
is that because you're making more or places like France
are making less?

Speaker 19 (25:33):
Well?

Speaker 18 (25:34):
When I looked at the figures, I have to say
I was really shocked, because Italy produces something like forty
one million hector leters, and the French are producing something
like thirty nine million, and little old New Zealand is
producing three point six million.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
But such a quality, big heavyweights.

Speaker 18 (25:53):
The two heavyweights are fighting out for the number one title.
I think it's based on volume, but the French might
we have better quality. So it depends who you talk to, doesn't.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
It I suppose it does. All right, Go well, Joe,
we catch up next to Never remember being in the
middle of Tuscany and I said I would go there
was a big dinner for New Years, and I said
I would go down to the local whatever it was,
and I would buy the wine for the dinner that night,
and it was a wall. It was a concrete wall,
literally a concrete wall, because nothing was open. And the

(26:24):
place where it had it had a singular shop, and
outside the shop was a wall, a concrete wall with
three taps, just those metal taps that you were see
in a pub that dispense beer, except these taps dispensed wine.
That was the only place you could buy wine locally,
and I went for the most expensive wine. There was
one white and two reds, and I went for the
most expensive red, which was being poured that night at

(26:48):
two euros a litter.

Speaker 10 (26:50):
So did you just put it in a bucket?

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Or very large containers? Glenn, very very large containers? Nine
away from seven.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
My costing breakfast with Bailey used.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Dogs Em damage control out of Lebanon. The pager manufacturers
a company called gold Apollo, and they're in Taiwan and
they're going it's not us. It's a company called BAC
which is Hungarian based. The product is now it's only
had our brand on it, which is not good. It's
a model called AR nine two four made by a

(27:25):
company called BAC Consulting in Budapest and Hungary. It had
authorized BAC to use our brand trademark for product sales
and specific regions, but the design and manufacturing of the
products are entirely handled by BAC, so that aspect of
the story continues to unfold and is fascinating. Five minutes
away from seven.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
And the Outs, It's the fizz with business fiber, take
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Speaker 2 (27:52):
Job ads, well, have we got later seat data this
morning for August? Total job ads down a percent compared
to July. Largest regional month on month's drop hawks Bay
minus seven growth in some regions. Here we go, Marlborough
up five, Southland, West Coast up four, Maneuver two up
three year on year, Dog's Breakfast adds are down thirty one.

(28:12):
How to press you want to be? You want to go?
Year on year? How to press you want to be?
Let's go, Let's get Let's I Tiger You down eighteen,
West Coast down twenty one, gets worse? Can it be
down twenty eight? You want to get even worse? Auckland
down thirty one, Hawks Bay shocker down thirty eight, Wellington,
King of the Castle, Sorry to say it down forty

(28:33):
one percent. Applications parad They're continuing to go up three
percent month on month. They've now gone up ten months
in a row. Not a good sign. Year on year.
Two most competitive places for a job of Wellington and
Tasman Applications parad are up seventy four percent sixty one
percent respectively. What a we got advertising? Who's advertising? Retail? Retailing?

(28:53):
Consumer products adds are up one hundred and nineteen percent
year on year. Consulting in strategy up one hundred percent.
If it doesn't work? Who doesn't want to work? In strategy?
Edmund and offers support up ninety nine. Human resources and
recruitment up eighty eight. Call center and customer sevice can't
I HOWPA? I'm sorry? Sorry, I can't put you through
Beethold call Center and customer service up eighty seven percent.

(29:15):
The suit of the AI that job, the better you got.

Speaker 10 (29:18):
Any influencer positions available?

Speaker 2 (29:20):
No influencer positions at all, Glen, When was the last
time here's your test for the morning. When was the
last time you rang anybody? And one got a human
to the human was in New Zealand? Three they were helpful.
There's a prize for that. Don't worry, no one's winning
the prize. Mining ads are up twenty four percent. That's
Shane Jones for you. Hey, that's what Shane does. And

(29:40):
as minerals list, he puts out a mineral's list, and
everyone wants to be a miner.

Speaker 20 (29:44):
Right.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
The GDP, that'll be a dog's breakfast as well. Whether
it's minus point three or point four sort of doesn't matter.
We're heading for yet another recession. We'll talk to the
bank about that. David Seymour on how he's going to
measure the charter schools cover that as well.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
The newsmakers and the personalities, the big names talk to
make the costing breakfast with Bailey's real estate, your local
experts across residential, commercial, and rural news talks had been.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Only seven past seven. Right to the economy, we've heard
from the Fed this morning it's fifty points. Also today
our GDP figure for the second quarter, so that's April
May and June consensuss we've gone backwards again. West Pax
chief economist Kelly Yeah holds back with us. Kelly morning
to you morning. Your numbers.

Speaker 21 (30:27):
What we've got minus point four for the quarter and
minus point six for the year.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Okay, did you have fifty on the Fed?

Speaker 21 (30:36):
We did not have fifty on the Fed. We had
twenty five. But there have been a lot of smoke
forming from the newspaper articles on the weekend suggesting it
was going to be a finally balanced decision. Oh god,
it certainly looks like the Fed's moved the gold posts.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Exactly do we react to that? Does the Central Bank
look at that and go hold on, we'll need to
rethink here or not?

Speaker 5 (30:57):
Well.

Speaker 21 (30:57):
I think most central banks in the world would be
looking at this because the US sets the global risks
through rate. I don't think the Reserve Bank probably expected
that they'd be moving by fifty basis points today, so
they'll be considering that. I mean, if you compare the
economic indicators between in New Zealand and the US, it
looks unequivocally stronger in the United States.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
So point four today, if you are right. Can we
then mount an argument that says, if it's point four
in Q two, it's probably something similar in Q three.
At the very least, it's backwards. Therefore it's a recession.

Speaker 15 (31:31):
Oh.

Speaker 21 (31:31):
I think that we do expect that it'll go backwards
again in Q three. Although it's going to be a
finely balanced thing. We've got minus point two for the
quarter in September, and there might even be a bit
of upside risk for that. We definitely think though that
Q two was the trough in this cycle, and particularly
in June. Look what it looks like. It was the
weakest month we've said in quite a while.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Okay, So that partially answers my next question, because what
we are starting to see a semantic don'tal stuff your
confidence run services, business consumers. It's is that real in
your view or is it hope born of desperation.

Speaker 21 (32:06):
Well, there's a mixture of both, but I think there's
a higher weight on hope right now because we're quite
early in the easing cycle. We've only had the one
twenty five point cup. But I think the thing that
businesses in particular are really reacting to is that longer
term magistrates have fallen a lot. So they've really got
the ability to access finance at a much cheaper level

(32:27):
than they have done for a good few years.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
So surviving till twenty five is real.

Speaker 21 (32:32):
Well, I think that is real, and I think probably
with a bit more optimism than they've had probably for
most of the last six months or so.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Good stuff, you have a good day and we're talking
again soon Kelly E. Cold Westpactief economist. He says minus
zero point four, no minutes past seven, tasking. So I've
got a bit of a red flag as well around
the government's big infrastructure plans. To build a lot of stuff,
you need a lot of people. Officials are suggesting about
twenty five thousand extra workers. That's the population of Ashburton,
for goodness sake, and they're needed as of twenty two six.

(33:00):
And another civil contractors in New Zealand, Phraser May is
with us phrase a good morning to you, Like how
you going? I'm very well? Indeed, how fast can you
tool up?

Speaker 9 (33:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (33:08):
Well that depends. Look, I mean I think we've just
been through quite a bad patch. It's been quite lean
out there and actually a lot of businesses have been
gun scaling at the very time that we really should
have been up and training capacity to try and build
that workforce for the work that's coming up. So yeah,
I mean we're looking forward to the opportunity and I think,
you know, it's good to see some indications about where
the work's coming.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Into the market, because it's all about pipelines, isn't it.
That's what you need.

Speaker 22 (33:32):
Absolutely. So the longer we've got prepare for that work ahead,
the easier it is to train people up and the
more skilled to be when the time comes. And it's
you know, having those education and emigration pathways to be
able to give.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Us the next question, So how does this work? How
many locals a you're grabbing and training? How many people
are coming off a pipeline anyway or a job anyway,
plus how many you going to have to get into
the country.

Speaker 22 (33:56):
Yeah, well, I'd say that one thing is around the
education pathways and the immgration pathways. So actually, you know,
the need to support. So we've just been through some
vocational education reform and you know what we'd like to
see is some more support for work based training because
that's how a lot of the people gain the skills
to be able to build the roads and put the
water pipes under the ground. So some support from EFICUS

(34:19):
and be able to scale up and do that would
be great. Companies do that day to day. And yeah,
we've scale up. I mean, I guess you know, obviously
we're going to need to a lot of get a
lot of people on board if we're going to deliver
on some of the ambitious projects government's gone in the pipeline.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
I mean, you know, let's not get you in trouble,
but I mean, hand on, how when you look at
all the announcements and all this stuff and you know
how long it takes to build anything in this country,
do you see this as real?

Speaker 22 (34:44):
Well, it depends when it's going to have the market.
I mean there are some pretty clear educations of what
we need. I mean, we know that we need to
replace a whole bunch of pipes. We know that we
need to go and build a whole bunch of roads.
So yeah, I mean I think the question is when
that work's going to come to market. You know, we're
starting to see some tenders come through and it has
been pretty lean out there, so you know that's the
first thing. If there's work in the market, then then

(35:05):
enables us to build the workforce to get a job done.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Good stuff, Phraser, go, well, appreciate it very much, Fraser May,
who's the civil contractors in New Zealand? Man, it's twelve
minutes past seven, o Scar, How wrong am I? In
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have New Zealand based call centers, Mike for the customer support.
They're brilliant. I did yesterday Mike contact Energy. A woman
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humorous too. We laughed, Ah, perfect, it really did happen.
She was in Livin. I think, Mike, if you deal
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(35:50):
I strongly not that I'm personally against AMI this morning,
but I've dealt with AMI. They're not very good. My
personal experience with AMI is not very good, and I've
dealt with AMI quite a bit. Not very good. So Dana,
you are plant you work for AM. I were you
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(36:10):
The only a water Mike last week, very human, exceptionally
helpful and the winner. I rang right since Helensville, north
of Auckland yesterday, Katie answered, they will order the battery
I need and Katie will personally bring it to me
as she lives nearby.

Speaker 10 (36:29):
Is that your Katie? She's got a side hustle go.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
She's done some stuff on the Quiet Glenn thirteen past.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
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Speaker 2 (36:40):
Talks a b David Timour on Charter School, shortly Lee
Child for a catch up after eight look forward to
that sixteen past seven. So where are we at with
the fallout from yesterday's page attack on Hesbala in today's
secondary attack on these walkie talkies. The Israelis are, of
course suspected. They've officially said nothing, but a response must
be pending. Unassuming Associate Professor of Politics and International Relations

(37:01):
at Auckland University, Stephen Hidley is back. Well, it's Stephen
morning to you.

Speaker 20 (37:04):
Good morning, make interesting times.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Isn't it just the fact the Americans weren't clued in
specifically on this? Is this potentially a problem for Israel
and the Yahoo if they claim it was them, Well.

Speaker 20 (37:15):
If I were a conspiracy e theorists, I would say
that Israel's trying to go the United States into helping Israel.
If Hasbilla attacks Israel in a serious way. It's a
kind of convoluted policy to induce support where it might
not want to be.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Does Hezbela come back this because previously when these things
have happened, there's been plenty of talk and hate, but
at best. I mean, I think back to the drone
situation with the Iranians. They sort of telegraphed it was
a kind of a here we go and it's over,
kind of sort of fizza.

Speaker 20 (37:48):
Well, my first thought was, this is the preliade to
an attack in southern Lebanon to push the Hesbilla back
to the Litani River under Resolution seventeen oh one, but
apparently not Apparently that the rest of the army is
not mobilizing on the border. There's still fifty thousand Israelis
displaced from their homes by Hesbelah rockets. This is unfinished

(38:12):
business for Israel. But it looks as if this may
have been triggered by a disclosure that the Hesbelah may
have found one of the devices did have something odd
like explosive in it and it was about to be exposed.
So one theory by the BBC, Israel decided to detonate

(38:33):
these devices rather than have them disarmed before they could
be effective.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
So when does this all leave a step? And I
mean like about a week ago. Yet again we're talking
about the possibility of a ceasefire. I mean that seems
completely out the door.

Speaker 20 (38:46):
Now, absolutely, yes, Now it leaves us actually nowhere. This
war has been going on since nineteen eighty two. Then
the Israelis invaded Israel in Lebanon. Sorry, and Hesbellah was
formed as a kind of militia to quote defend end
quote Lebanon. And so this is just another chapter, a

(39:07):
rather interesting technological chapter in a long saga.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
I'm glad you said that because it allows me to
segue rather awkwardly into what really is and I don't
want to be too macalb about it. How they done
this is little short astonishing, isn't it. I mean, technologically
it's bordering on being genius without you know, using the
word incorrectly.

Speaker 20 (39:27):
Yes, you have to have to admire the ingenuity of
the Israelis to do this. Because the supply chains started
in Taiwan, went through Hungary maybe or maybe not, it
was undetected all these months and weeks. It hits right
at the heart of the communications network of thebe Lah. Yes,

(39:48):
we will look at this with admiration for some time,
whether we agree or not that this is a war crime.
Some academics are saying, look, it's these are booby traps,
illegal under international law. I would say, no, this is war.
That the target was combatants. We regret deeply collateral damage
and injury to innocent civilians, but the target was postballer

(40:12):
faders that are pledged to destroy Israel.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Good to talk to you always, Stephen Hadley out of
Auckland University. As I say, David Seymour on the charter
schools to come shortly, and the reason being there's a
new measure out today as to how we're going to
chart these charters schools and how they're going to perform.
So we'll look forward to that in about fifteen minutes.
Come back to the economy in a moment though seven twenty.

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twenty three. Now, the good news, speaking of the economy
as we are this morning, the good news is confidence
seemingly is improving. It has been a pretty decent week
if you think about it. Farmer's confidence is up and
markedly our confidence seems to be up a little bit.
Still over all pessimistic, but we are up nevertheless. And
last week we saw business confidence starting to rise just
a little bit. And then come these newest numbers our

(42:04):
current account that came out yesterday. What a mess. We
are a mess in essence. And what this means is
we buy more from the world we sell it given
her in the business of selling stuff. That does make
us very good business. Of course, glass half full. The
figure we got yesterday is stable as a percentage of GDP,
but the percentage of GDP that is hopeless. That's the worry. This,

(42:25):
by the way, is for the June quarter in actual
number terms, that did widen by two hundred and sixty
nine million dollars. Now it's all part of the wider
picture that we'll get later on today. On the actual GDP,
which we mentioned earlier, has almost certainly gone backwards for
the same period. So join these two bits together and
you've got an economy going backwards, driven in part by

(42:45):
the fact that we buy more stuff than we sell.
So think about that scenario in your own life. You
make a living selling stuff, right, but you still buy
more things. They cost more than you make. You are sinking.
That's the story of this country. Our net investment liability
position another good comparison we can make to our own lives.
Note the words net liability was two hundred and five billion,

(43:06):
which is now almost fifty percent forty nine point seven
percent of GDP. That is over six billion more than
it was in the last quarter. It's getting worse. We
are more liable. You don't in life want to be liable.
You don't life want to deficit. It's really, you know,
in simple terms, in the deals that involve New Zealand
and the world, we have more liabilities then we have assets.

(43:26):
As I say, most of us don't run our lives
that way, and yet we seem happy to watch our
country being run that way. It's the weirdest thing. It's
become very clear this week from the Torri far Nour
revelations that we have people in decision making positions who
have no idea how to turn a dollar or spend
a dollar, or value a dollar, or run anything that
resembles an economy or any sort or size. The numbers
don't lie. The numbers aren't good, but they can't be

(43:48):
a surprise given the sort of people who've been in charge.
Asking now, JD. Vance is in Carolina talking about Karmela.

Speaker 19 (43:55):
I mean, she practically is at this point where she
could walk in to this this room right now and
she could steal one of your red hats, sir, and
put it on and say make America great again. Because
Kamala Harris is practically just running on the Trump agenda
right now. But as much as she's running on the
Trump agenda, she has been in office for three and

(44:16):
a half years and she hasn't done a damn thing
about it. Kamala Harris, stop talking about what you will do.
Start talking about what you have done. And the answer
is not a damn thing.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
All right, So they like from that in Carolina. Meantime,
she was in front of the National Association of Black
Journalists yesterday making complete scenes it's.

Speaker 15 (44:33):
About understanding what we need to do to again understand
that to your point, we have to have a holistic
response to this issue and prioritize it. I was acutely
aware that my words could move markets. When you are
bestowed with a microphone, that is that big. I could

(44:55):
go on and on and on. These are facts that
have had impact and we need to we need to
speak truth about it. You really ought to understand at
a very deep level how much your words.

Speaker 23 (45:10):
Have a meaning.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Small question, who does that remind you of? Got some
polling out of the states for your fresh polling out
of the states for you in a couple of moments
before we get into the charter school business with David Seymour,
The news though is next. You're a news talk s head.

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Speaker 2 (45:35):
B might be traditional Democratic backing teams. Does union have
decided not to endorse the candidate as it's members now
fifteen six percent in favor of Trump. I saw that
poll out this morning, so that was a big number,
and I can't remember the other side of it. Was
fifty six to thirty something. It was a big gap,
twenty three minutes away from a new Dear childs back
here this morning on how the performance of charter schools
are going to be measured. So we've got a framework

(45:56):
that allegedly will boost student achievement. Past rates will be
measured using an equity index, taking into account socioeconomic barriers,
assayci your Education minister, the man behind charter schools. Of course,
as David see Mornings with us, very good morning to you,
good morning. Way of all the things you're progressing at
the moment, because you're a busy man. Where's charter school
sitting in the totem pole? Are things smooth or not.

Speaker 24 (46:16):
As very smooth? There's people who will say we don't
need these policies. Actually, we've had eighty applicants people around
the community have put together a detailed application to run them.
It shows there is demands and we're processing those pretty
challenging given the volume that it looks like we're going
to have a very good first crop of charter schools

(46:39):
very soon.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
So the numbers are there, so that's the good side
of it. Are they quality at the stage?

Speaker 9 (46:44):
Do you know.

Speaker 24 (46:46):
I don't get involved, so I haven't actually seen them,
but I do ask the people at the Charter School
Agency and the Ministry of Education and they tell me
that I can tell you that it's very very confident
about good.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
The equity in X. How specific is it the school?
Is it the class or is it the kid.

Speaker 24 (47:04):
It's down to the school. So in a perfect world
it would be down to the kid. But you know,
I think one of the things we're doing across government
and especially in education is trying to improve data. So
at this point, it's equity index sets a bunch of
targets for the school, and that's the percentage of children
that need to achieve a certain target such as regular
attendance or reading or maths for primary or NCAA the secondary.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
And where does that sit against state public.

Speaker 24 (47:29):
School The basic rule of thumb is that charter schools
have the same goals as state schools, such as ninety
five percent getting NCAA Level two, such as eighty percent
attending ninety percent of the time. What's different with charters
is that we're putting in hard minimums where if they
don't do it, we will shut them down. And that's

(47:52):
what's really different With charters. They get more freedom, but
they also get targets for attendance, achievement and fiscal probity.
If they don't reach them, we will shut them down.
The last time they were charter schools, we did shut them.
It's not an idle threat.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Ok okay. So, but you don't want to because the
last thing you need is a kid going to a
school and then suddenly the school's closed.

Speaker 24 (48:12):
Yeah, and you you don't walk in the day they
go one percent under the target and say you shut down.
There's a process, but generally speaking, the target for charter
schools is they must be in the top half of
state schools or they get shut down, and aiming to
reach the overall government targets depending on the measure.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Okay. So there's a couple of things that come out
of that. One is their individual performance, and so if
they do well, they do well for the kids in
the community and all that's fantastic. If you get an attendance,
for example, at a higher level at a charter school,
that then flows by reputation to everybody else, at which
point I'm assuming you'll go they can do it, so

(48:53):
why can't you? When they come back and go, well,
that's because they get so much more money. David, what
do you say, then.

Speaker 24 (49:01):
Well, put it this way. We're going to let state
schools that want to convert to charter schools, and the
day that they open up as a charter school, they'll
get exactly the same money as they got yesterday when
they shut down as a state school. There is no difference.
And it's exactly the same with brand new charter schools
that start from scratch. The principle is they get the

(49:23):
money that the same kids would have got were they
going to a state school. People like to put about
all of this misinformation and try and say that they're
getting funded at a higher rate, and you know, the
truth is that they're not. People need to ask themselves
why is that. One of the biggest differences with charters

(49:43):
is that we are giving them the ability to hire teachers.
They have to be registered, but they don't have to
be on the union contracts. Now, if you're the PPTA
or the MZDI, then a successful group of schools that
have individual employment agree are an existential threat. And I
just want to say that slowly, because this is the beginning,

(50:05):
the middle, and the end of the charter school debate.
The unions aren't afraid that charter schools will fail. They
are petrified that they're going to succeed. And I think
they just might because the children need it.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Okay, while I've got you a couple of things. Are
you T? We featured some information in the last couple
of days here Penny Simmons apparently had a meeting. I
know this isn't your area, but it kind of is.
So are you T? And they're one of the many
examples run the system whereby if you want to travel
as your electorate professor whatever. If you travel, you fill
out a box and a form. If you're MARI and
if you're Pacific, you get extra points simply by being

(50:38):
Mari or Pacific to get the money for travel. I
thought that was over. If it's over, how come they're
still doing it.

Speaker 9 (50:46):
Well.

Speaker 24 (50:46):
Number One, we've issued a circular cabinet circular to the
public service saying you must have liver services on need
not race. That came out last week, and yet it
doesn't necessarily apply. In fact, it doesn't apply to universities,
which are separate institutions. Nonetheless, I think you can be

(51:07):
confident that with the likes of any the responsible minister
telling them, what's what you're going to see that sort
of practice run out of tertiary institutions. But look, I'm
as frustrated as anyone that often we've got this Stacey
apparatus of a quarter million people, thousands of institutions. You've
got people ingrained in there. But amazingly in twenty twenty

(51:29):
fourth but blatant racial profiling where you have to tick
a box for your race and you get different amounts
of money is somehow not just okay, but a good idea.
And these are the people running universities. I mean, it
is astonishing, but we are step by step telling them
that we a bore racial discrimination, We believe in universal
human rights where the elected government and you better get

(51:52):
with the program. It's just a process of one organization,
one institution, one case at a time.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
I was going to say, because when do you run
out of place, it's because it's one thing. It's one
thing to have the idea. So you agree with your
idea or you don't. But you are the government that's irrefutable,
and you have issued a need that's irrefutable. Yet what
we now seem to have is pushed back in the
middle finger.

Speaker 24 (52:14):
Well, in fairness, this has been in place for some
time and it's been discovered this week. I don't believe
it's something that they've established this week, but you know.

Speaker 14 (52:22):
You're right.

Speaker 24 (52:22):
I had a doctor just yesterday. So here is proof
in August twenty twenty four that we are racially profiling patients.
I believe that's wrong. But what do you do about it? Well,
you get the Minister of Health and say this is
what's happening in your organization. Can you do something about it.
Just two weeks ago we saw it with the GPS

(52:44):
in hawks Bay saying that it's free if you're Maori
of Pacific. If you're not, you have to pay, regardless
of whether you're ritual or poor or what your true
need is. Shane's been in touch with the hawks Bay
sector of the Health New Zealand And said, guys new
Sheriff in town the same how it works anymore, and
they've stopped. So yep, frustrating, but it's just, you know,
you've got to recognize that we're not a dictatorship. We're

(53:07):
a pluralistic society with a large number of organizations, some
of which universities, for example, have quite a lot of autonomy,
and so they should because we believe in academic freedom
at the end of the day. But every now and
then you just have to give them a reminder of
who's paying the bill. It's the tax payers of New Zealand,
and the tax payers of New Zealand elected a government
that does not believe in racially profiling at citizens. It's

(53:30):
bizarre I have to say that in twenty twenty four,
but here we are good on.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
You appreciate it. David see Moore, the leader of Act.
We asked Penny Simmons, who had the meeting yesterday with
the aut to come on. She's getting advice today apparently,
and we'll let us know. How about Unfolds.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
Seven cool the Vike Asking Breakfast full show podcast on
Iheartradiown coward by News Talks.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
It'd be mentioned JD Varance earlier on JD. Salvers died
at seventy eight, which is said because he was due
to tour again next week. Won't be doing that now.
Eagle of course, New Kidd and Town Heartache Tonight had
a couple of hits of his own. Wrote for Dixie Chicks.
James Taylor, Bonnie Rate, George Strap Polling. I was going
to give you and still am. Actually, this is a

(54:13):
culmination put together of all the current polls the major
polsters put together by five thirty eight nationally, this is
America Karmala Harris forty eight Trump forty five, So forty
eight forty five in the battleground state, she's tight as
North Carolina Trump by less than a point, Arizona Trump
by less than a point. George the same story. Harris
has Nevada by less than a point, Pennsylvania Harris, Michigan,

(54:36):
Harris by two, Wisconsin Harris by three. So that's a
culmination of all the major polsters at the moment. Then
we come to moments ago the Quinnipiac Pole, which is
out taken between twelve and sixteen September, So it's current
Pennsylvania Harris fifty one, forty six. So you're outside the
margin of era now, so that's if not troubled, potentially

(55:00):
death Knell Michigan Harris fifty one forty six. Wisconsin's still
tied at forty nine forty eight to Harris, so she's
on the move. And you back that up with the
feed pole that the CBNC CBN C, CBN C whatever
they're called, CNBCNBCBC that Dy did earlier on the feeling

(55:22):
is that Harris is going to win. Right, doesn't mean
it's not going to change, doesn't mean that's the way
it is on the night, and everyone continues to say
in sixteen and twenty the polsters underestimated the Trump support,
the Trump support being the quiet support where nobody talks
until the day of voting. But nevertheless the numbers are
shaping up and you can see why things are moving

(55:42):
her way in general terms. Tend to wait the My.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Costing breakfast with Vita Retirement Communities News vs.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
S given away from It's a little bit of trouble
in Rotorua, the organizers of a charitable garage sale potentially
calling it quits because since twenty nineteen Ray White they've
sourced and sold unwanted it from their property sales. Right,
so they raised more than one hundred thousand dollars for charity.
But you've had a robbery at the weekend and so
it's all turned a bit pear shaped. The Ray White
roduver co owner Timo Sullivan's, well, there's Tim, very good
morning to you, Mike, very well, thank you. So what

(56:13):
they get a car and the trailer and all the stuff.

Speaker 25 (56:17):
Yeah, they broke into the main shed and it was
more than likely a child to get in through the
window because it was quite small. So what a great
start that person's got in life. Got into the shed
and saw some micms there, got the big trailer. We've

(56:37):
got a huge furniture trailer, which they then would have
loaded up with goods, and also took a car that
we'd recently purchased because we were going to start going
into car boot sales and said we'll get a few
cars ourselves and and sort of set the set the trend,
I guess to start that sort of happening at the

(56:59):
rail park.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Not not that it matters, but would that be an
opportunistic robbery or would they have known you had cars
and stuff there?

Speaker 25 (57:07):
We're pretty sure it was. You know, it was known
to the to the burglars. It wouldn't surprise me if
they'd have attended one of the garage sales and sort
of case the place out, because it just happened. You know,
they did it all the right things in terms of
how they broke in and the yard was locked up,
but they yeah, they didn't deter them.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Well what did the police say.

Speaker 25 (57:30):
Well, no, it's hard. Where it happened, just out of
road is a very tight community and pretty much once
the word got out, the police were informed of where
the trailer was. We've got the trailer. Yeah, the trailer.
The police did a wonderful job and got the trailer back.
But you know, we only got half the trailer back.

(57:51):
Most of it's been dismembered so they started taking it apart.
But anyway, we've got the trailer back. That's the main thing.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
So what are you thinking about going forward? What are
you going to do?

Speaker 25 (58:02):
Well, we're still thinking about it. I mean, it's always
gutting when you get burgled, and it's so unmoving. It's
still a decision they'll make on my own, so I'll
talk to the team about it. We've since had a
lot of calls and support from the public and of
course they don't want us to stop, so.

Speaker 17 (58:18):
We'll see what happens.

Speaker 25 (58:20):
We also do charity Garrett sales charity auctions from her
main office and Rode and they go really well good
and everything's secure there. So yeah, we'll just have to
think about it.

Speaker 11 (58:33):
Okay, but we've got it.

Speaker 25 (58:34):
We've got another Garrett sale coming up in a couple
of weeks, so we'll see how that goes.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Ok, we'll go Well, that appreciate it very much. Toms
Sullivan ray White wrote a rue Mike who steals Garrett
sales stuff? Ben low Light is the answer to that question.
You want some good news. Luke Holmes is coming, So
a couple of shows Eden Park on Friday the seventeenth
and Saturday the eighteenth. Of what I hear you ask,

(59:00):
the answer is January. It's coming January. How I go
to Christmas gift? Would that make? Or in my case
maybe a birthday gift? Given my birthdays in January. The
tickets go on sale this coming Wednesday. I've got a
double ticket though for the Friday show. If you want
to go on the Friday show, go to the Mike
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(59:22):
right now? When do they go to the facebook page?

Speaker 20 (59:24):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (59:25):
After eight? Well it's a couple of minutes. Await, look,
don't tell me I've broken the Embargoh it's virtually eight o'clock.
My watch is running just a little bit fast this
morning and so I thought, why not anyway.

Speaker 10 (59:33):
At eight o'clock, it's eight o'clock somewhere.

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It's eight o'clock somewhere the Facebook. Go to the Facebook
in a couple of minutes and it'll be all there
and you can enter followday instructions and enter and we'll
make the announcement on Monday. But Luke Comb's coming to
New Zealand Eden Park Friday, Saturday, seventeenth and eighteenth of January.

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Seven past eights for a bloke who says he's stepping back.
Lee Child just can't seem to put a pin down.
It was last year he told us he was leading
Jack Riacher to his brother. But those retirement roomors started
way back in twenty twenty and since then he's co
written reach of books. He's also credited with a new
Reacher book which is called Into Deep and that's out
next month. Then we come to this latest venture, which
is called safe Enough in other stories, it's a collection

(01:00:22):
of short stories. What earth is going on?

Speaker 23 (01:00:24):
Lee Child is back with this good morning, Good Morning,
make always a pleasure.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
And I'm sort of, I must confess, I am slightly confused,
because I'm pretty sure this is how our interviews have
gone over the years. So you write a book about
Jack Reacher, and I talk to you about it, and
then you tell me that you're over writing about Jack Reacher.
So then we bring your brother in, and then he's
writing about Jack Reacher, and you say you're out, You're done,
it's over. And yet here I am in this late

(01:00:51):
August morning, Lee, talking to you about your latest book.
I thought you'd quit.

Speaker 9 (01:00:55):
Yeah, well, we're both right in a way.

Speaker 23 (01:00:57):
I mean, these are short stories and they have written
over my career. You know, I'm betting that you you're
a radio star, right. I bet you get jobs doing
mceing at charity events or after dinner speaking or something
like that, and I bet you do it really well.
But you don't think of that as your main job.

Speaker 9 (01:01:15):
Right.

Speaker 23 (01:01:16):
So my main job was writing Reacher, which I do
not do anymore. But somebody said, look, you've got all
these short stories, twenty of them. Why don't you put
them in a book?

Speaker 9 (01:01:28):
And I thought, ah, I don't know.

Speaker 23 (01:01:30):
I mean, it's a bit secret, you know, writing a
short story is outside of what I normally did, and
I never took them that. I didn't think they were
that important, because you know, they don't sell very well
short stories. Nobody really reads them. So they were kind
of secret projects of mind that I would do anything
that I wanted. And I said, I'm a bit nervous

(01:01:53):
about it, and the guy said, nah, are they're great?
You know, this is the thing. Show them what you
doing outside of Reacher. So I said, all right, and
here we are twenty short stories in a book, and
I'm very interested to see what people think of them.

Speaker 9 (01:02:09):
I like most of them.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
What period of time were they written over?

Speaker 9 (01:02:14):
I've just looked.

Speaker 23 (01:02:15):
The oldest one is exactly twenty years ago, two thousand
and four, and the others interspersed between then and now.
It's the sort of thing you get asked to do,
you know, for a charity volume, or to support a
writer's organization or something like that. And my problem is
I have this show business brain that means that if
you get a lot of money for it, lots of

(01:02:36):
people are looking at it and therefore it's important. But
because you don't get any money for short stories, I'm
thinking nobody is seeing these so I can be totally free.
So this is me being me, and I have no
idea what people will think. I hope they like them,
but we shall find out.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Well, you're a genius, so they will. Could I pick
when they were written into of your writing progression, style
and skill, given we're talking about a twenty year time span.

Speaker 23 (01:03:06):
I honestly would hope that you could, But actually I
don't think you would, because I don't think I ever
got any better from when I started. You know, somebody
made me reread my first book. It was another charity
thing whereby the auction off a first edition of a
book that is annotated in the margins in pencil.

Speaker 9 (01:03:27):
By the author, why did you do that? Why did
you do this?

Speaker 23 (01:03:31):
And so I reread Killing Floor for the first time ever,
and I thought I was expecting it to be like awful,
you know, first novel, clunky, But it was actually pretty good,
and I thought, damn.

Speaker 9 (01:03:44):
That's great. I felt good for a day, and then.

Speaker 23 (01:03:46):
I felt bad because I thought, wait a minute, have
I not got any better since I started?

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
You might have been brilliant right from the start. That's
the point, isn't it. The thing about short stories that's
always fascinated me. Do you write to prescription? In other words,
obviously the beginning, middle, and the and then you've got
to get there quickly? But does it have to have
a prescription?

Speaker 23 (01:04:07):
It sort of is dictated by the volume. They usually
have a theme or a title, you know, like a
love story aspect, or assassins or secrets or historical anniversaries
or something. It's dictated to an extent, but you just
run with it. And what I've loved about doing them
is that it's quick. You can do them in one day,

(01:04:29):
in a passion, in a blaze of creation. You're not
sitting there for months. You don't have that thing in
the back of your mind. Oh, I better save that
for chapter twenty. You just do what you want to do.
And looking back on them, I can remember where I
was and what I was doing while I was writing them.
And they're like a diary to me, and I'm fascinated

(01:04:52):
by them.

Speaker 9 (01:04:52):
I hope people will be too.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
But every word, the shorter it is. Every word has
to be a gym, though, doesn't it. In a long
piece of work, you can you know, you can roll
for a while. These have got to be nuggets.

Speaker 23 (01:05:04):
Yeah, they've got to be tight, they've got to be fast,
and you're right every single word, because usually there's a limit.
You know, they don't mind if you come in too long,
but if you come in too long, you're you're not
doing it right. It's got to be tight. And so yeah,
I love that every sentence has got to be tight.
And maybe the next sentence that you would have done

(01:05:25):
in a novel, you just skip it and move on.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
Yeah, fantastic. Now I'm going to be interviewing you for
the next fifteen to twenty years. As you pull out,
You've got like nine hundred of these tucked away somewhere.

Speaker 23 (01:05:37):
I think there are a few more. Yeah, And of
course there are plenty of Reacher short stories that we
already put in a book, but these are the non reaches.
And yeah, we could we could find some more.

Speaker 9 (01:05:48):
I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
Okay, wells and hold on there. I'll need to find
out what's going on with Reacher and your brother in
a moment. Lee Child with us out of New York,
thirteen past eight.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
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Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
It Be News Talks, It Be it is. I'm just
going to call a past. It's safe enough in other stories.
It's the new short story collection from Lee Child, who's
with us out of New York. And now a quick
report on your brother. Was he doing okay?

Speaker 23 (01:06:12):
Yeah, I think he's doing okay. He's doing I like
the books, I think, and you know they're pleasing the fans,
and yeh know, he's my little brother. What am I
going to say? Yes, he's a good it's great, but
on the other hand, not as good as me.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
No, exactly. Tell you what television program seems. Are you
still actively involved in that? That seems to be like
a real hit. It is a huge hit.

Speaker 23 (01:06:35):
Yeah, and I thought it would be because they put
in so much effort and skill on that first season.
I thought, yeah, this is going to work. But it
worked way beyond anybody's expectations, even Amazon's expectations. They weren't
crazy about it. And I am involved. We talk all
the time. We discuss everything, even down to really banal things.

(01:06:58):
I'll get an email with a picture of a shoe
and somebody will say, would reach a wear a.

Speaker 9 (01:07:03):
Shoe like this?

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
And so yeah, every single detail fantastic. Hey, listen, I
read something from you the other day suggesting you were
going to move back to Britain. Is that true? There
seems to be an angst building about America or American
society and all that's going on in your off Is
that true?

Speaker 9 (01:07:20):
It is true. It's scary.

Speaker 23 (01:07:22):
I mean, it is beyond anything that you can imagine
from the outside. I mean, I know, you get all
the news and you read it all and everything, and
you have an opinion, but it is vicious and toxic
and poisonous here. And I'm too old to kind of
grip my teeth and get through four bad years in
the hope of having some future thing. So yeah, you know,

(01:07:45):
I'm thinking if Trump gets selected or selected or whatever,
then I'm probably out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Wow, what do you make of what's happened in the
last couple I mean of the Kamala Harris thing, the
Biden thing, the convention that we've seen both canines in
the last couple of weeks. What have you learned from that?

Speaker 9 (01:08:04):
Well?

Speaker 23 (01:08:05):
I was never a huge Biden fan because I thought
he was as a senator, which was the bulk of
his career, he was pretty ordinary.

Speaker 9 (01:08:14):
But actually he did a great.

Speaker 23 (01:08:15):
Job as president, a great job getting out of COVID killing, inflation,
early boom in the economy. He's done really well, but
he is too old, There's no question about it. I mean,
it's just inhuman to make a guy that age campaign.
And so Kamala took over, and I again was dubious

(01:08:35):
about her, but she has had a miraculous six weeks
and that's got to be some kind of political skill
or talent. So yeah, I'm hopeful about her.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
Okay. Interesting. The other thing I read about you, by
the way, is your big scrap with your wind farm
in Wyoming. And the only reason I ask about that
is we're having this big debate in the country at
the moment about I mean, everyone is renewables and how
we do it and where we do it and all
that sort of stuff. Is wind farming in explain the
story your problem. You're not anti renewable though, are you?

Speaker 23 (01:09:06):
Totally not? I mean, I'm all in favor of renewable
And Wyoming they call it the Saudi Arabia of wind
because it is constantly windy. Plus it is an empty state.
Nobody lives there. There are literally thousands of square miles
that are empty, and yet this particular wind farm they're
doing it cheap and lazy because they're doing it near

(01:09:28):
where there's already a transmission line, and they're trying to
thread it between a railroad track and a major highway
and people's houses simply to save the money of making
a transmission line for themselves somewhere else. And I've said
to them, look, I love renewables. I think we should
have the biggest wind farm on Earth. We should have

(01:09:49):
it visible from out of space. It should be the
eighth wonder of the world. But put it somewhere that
can accommodate it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
And are they Are you winning?

Speaker 23 (01:09:59):
I think we're going to simply out of bureaucratic inertia.
You know, they are so slow at doing anything. Plus
the weather is so bad there they only have a
kind of three month period of the year where they
can construct anything. So I think, yeah, they're going to
bite the bullet and the motto should be go big
or go home, and they're going to find somewhere to

(01:10:20):
make a really big wind farm that nobody sees. It
doesn't get in anybody's way, but it generates billions of
dollars for the state.

Speaker 9 (01:10:28):
They they need imagination.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
Do you still like it out in that last time
we talked the country. You always get me confused if
somewhere in winter and then you go somewhere slightly less
winter refers it was like Colorado, Wyom you're all ov Anyway,
Do you still like that part of America that you know,
that really dissolate part of America? I do, But it.

Speaker 23 (01:10:46):
Really is the contrast between densely populated areas and not
densely populated areas. That is the fundamental divide in America,
where cities and the rural communities are totally different. And
so I've got a foot in each camp, and there
are charming people everywhere. And the tragedy is that the

(01:11:07):
kind of person that you know AOC in New York,
the congresswoman super hip, called woke and all that sort
of stuff. And I've met risk sensible women in Wyoming
who can solve problems. If you swap those two around,
they would be each other within six months, because that's

(01:11:29):
what you do. You adapt to your context, you adapt
to your location, and you try and help people out.
The instinct is exactly the same. The animosity is stupid fantastic.
Where would you go back to in Britain if you moved.
I fancy somewhere around Oxford, because you know it's intellectual,

(01:11:52):
and I'd never got in the university, so at least
I can go and live there now and pretend that
I'm in Brideshead revisited.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
Well, wherever we find you next time, Lee, it's always
a pleasure to catch up. Go well with this book,
and good to talk to you as always.

Speaker 9 (01:12:07):
Yeah, I'd love you to talk it. Mike Speech here soon.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
There he is out of New York this morning, safe
enough and other stories, Lee Child eight twenty one on my.

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(01:13:24):
if you follow formula one, you might have seen the
pictures of Lando Norris driving the McLaren made of Lego
and so that's been out for a while. That's a
life size version. And so they've anounced officially this morning
that Lego has signed a multi year deal with f one.
Generally they're going to officially launch next year fan zone
activations in Grand Prix around the world more than four

(01:13:46):
million children. Here's an interesting stat more than four million
children aged eight to twelve actively follow F one and
that's just in Europe. In the US, that gives you
an indication. Other fun factor I heard the other day
the F one last year in Las Vegas brought in
twice as much revenue as the super Bowl in Las Vegas.
And normally you'd say the super Bowl is the biggest

(01:14:08):
sporting event in America. Not so it was F one
in Vegas. So anyway, Lego are going all in.

Speaker 10 (01:14:12):
Which team would you get if you were going to
build a season, I.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Would go VCARB because the word on Liam is not
only will it be announced this weekend in Singapore, he
is going to get a drive for the rest of
the season, Ricardo will be ejected from the seat. So
the theory was initially that the announcement was coming this weekend,
but then he'd sort of hold out and Ricardo finishes
the season increasing amounts of reportage and there's a lot

(01:14:38):
of it now, so I am assuming it's it's been
leaked to a degree that Ricardo will drive one more
time in Singapore and that will be him and Liam
Lawson will be in for the rest of the year.
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Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
I'm very excited for FEDERATID Farmers who were celebrating this
week one hundred and twenty five, which is quite good.
One hundred and twenty five years of FEDERATID Farmers eighteen
ninety nine first properly constituted Farmers Union branch and Kai
Tier Thomas Smith was the man behind at first national
conference was held in ninety oh two. They also set
up something fairly similar in Canterbury in nineteen ten Eckland

(01:15:25):
Henry Ackland Mount Peel, the famous Mount Peel station. He
formed the Sheep Owners Federation or SOFF. They call it
soft at the time. Anyway, in twenty five they got
the women involved for the New Zealand Farmers Union, Florence Paulson,
who was the wife of Sir Bill William Paulson, who
was president of the New Zealand Farmers Union at the time.
I'm sure, I'm telling you nothing here. Anyway, You remember

(01:15:47):
Will and Bill and Florence and stuff. You know how
they were Anyway, after the war and forty five they
thought let's get together and so they did so. One
hundred and twenty five years of Federated farmers, twenty two
minutes away from.

Speaker 13 (01:15:57):
Nine International correspondence with ended eye insurance, peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
That's in the UK time. Roninald's well us money mate,
good volly to you, mate, I was reading overnight the youngest.
This goes back to the riots that you endured. A
couple of months ago. The youngest went to court, twelve
year old boy. He didn't get jail, of course, but
he threw a few things in Southport. I just and
I didn't ask you the other day, wouldn't we go
back to Hugh Edwards which we did talk about the
other day when he walks out and he doesn't get

(01:16:24):
jail time and a whole bunch of people who threw
some stuff do and long sentences? Is there a bit
of angst around? There is the conversation around that approach
of the courts or not.

Speaker 14 (01:16:32):
Oh, it's caused utter fury and it's dominated most of
the social media in the country for the last three days.
Absolutely it does. It's partly, you know, a mistaken equivalence
in the by and large. I think probably if you
look at the sort of sentence in which people who

(01:16:53):
committed the crime which Hugh Edwards committed get, then that
was kind of round about the middle of it, and
he was repentant to the completely guilty earlier, etcetera, etcetera.
But there is no doubt, and I think in a
kind of awkward way Edwards the few Edwards cases highlighted this.

(01:17:13):
There is a growing alarm about the politicization of court
cases and sentences. Well, whether you're on the left or right.
So if you're on the right, you may well question
whether it is right to send someone to prison for
eighteen months for saying who is Allah? You know, that
seems to me it's not a question I asked myself,

(01:17:36):
but I'm sure many people do. Whereas you know, it
seems to me a bit much that you should get
four years for one of those just stop oil protests,
even if I, like so many other people of my
generation and political bent, believes that they are entitled morons.

(01:17:57):
Who you know, probably deserve what coming to them, but
four years in prison really, and and all of that
is politically motivated, the just up oil stuff by the
fact that the police hadn't done anything about justu oil,
they haven't arrested them, They've been treated very leaningly by

(01:18:18):
the courts. This caused the hell round and then you've
got the hard sentences and the riots because the new
Labor because the Labor government wanted a sort to believe.
So we're in the grip of a radical fascist revolution,
whereas it was really just a bunch of claps out
old sixty year old football hooligan has thrown a few bricks,

(01:18:43):
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
It's it's a funny thing because we're having the same
to bite in this country. So the previous government here
was the labor government. They let people out of prison.
They were soft on crime. The new governments come in
and they're trying to change some legislation, make it a
bit harder and give longer sentences. But the fear is
the judiciary don't listen. So how prescriptive is sentencing in

(01:19:05):
Britain and how loose is it around the age just
depending on who the judges.

Speaker 14 (01:19:09):
Oh, it's we're far looser than you guys are now that.
There's a couple of things here. Firstly, which is that
which is that the juristocracy has become far far more
important in this country than it ever was before. We
have far more lawyers. We have more lawyers perhead of
population than any country in the world other than of

(01:19:30):
course America, and sometimes something in the region of ten
times as many per person as Japan. So the court
has become ever more politicized, and by and large politicized
towards the left, because that's what the establishment is. It's
a it's a left wing establishment. So there is a

(01:19:53):
there is a real problem there, and that's spread as
well into the police, which used to be probably a
bit too right wing, if we're absolutely honest, Mike, but
which now could not possibly be accused of such a crime.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
Okay, So the other day, then we come to Kirstama.
The other day there was a little bit of money
flowing his way for some nice ties and a few suits,
and the missus got a few dresses as well. When
does the freebie train stop? And how much trouble is
he in?

Speaker 14 (01:20:20):
I think he's storing lot of trouble for himself. Right
now since he took office as Prime Minister, so that's
two months ago. Mate is at hundred grand in Freebie's.
That's nice work if you can get it. That includes
two totally free tickets for his missus to go to

(01:20:43):
see Taylor Swift, while you would wish to do. That
is another issue though I also noticed how the Labor
cabinet were there, but it also includes clothes and presents
for his wife and free sporting passes for himself. It rankles,
and it's one of the reasons that the opinion polls

(01:21:04):
are now very very narrow, indeed, with Labor having only
a four point lead over the Conservatives, who, so far
as one is aware, don't actually exist anymore. So it's
a remarkable thing that he's fallen so quickly, which is
they are exactly the same. But in a way there
was because we expect it from the Tories. But you've

(01:21:26):
got of hypocrites, you know. You say you're going to
be clean, and you're not clean. You appoint your own
cronies to important government jobs, and you trouser as much
as you can, you know, and I think that is
becoming evident to people right now. Be interesting to see
what would happen if the election have been held in
two weeks time, you know, which is roughly when we

(01:21:48):
were expecting the election.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
Interesting, I might go, well, we'll catch up next week.
Rod little out of the UK. It is sixteen to
two the.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
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Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
It be just out of New York. I come back
a couple of things in Britain I wanted to get to.
But just in New York this morning, we as in
New Zealand, have voted in favor of the UN resolution
by voting yes. Israel's presence in the Occupied Palestine in
territory is not acceptable. The conflict has gone on too long.

(01:22:21):
It got majority support. It means nothing. It affirms the
International Court of Justice's advisory opinion on Israel's unlawful presence.
We have, according to Winston Peter's, a couple of concerns
about aspects of the text of the resolution, twelve month
time frame unrealistic, which of course is true. Are also
disappointed with the resolution going beyond what was envisaged in
the advisory opinion. But this is all new in talk

(01:22:43):
and you know, I don't think who gives some monkeys.
By the way, the reference I made to the youngest
boy as regards the riots a couple of months ago
was twelve. He's twelve. So he turned up in court
twelve month referral order. Cannot be named for legal reasons.
He played guilty to violent disorder in Southport through stones
at police officers. Boy will be subject to a curfew

(01:23:06):
between nine at night and seven in the morning each
night for three months and then I didn't have time.
I don't think Rod doesn't like London, so he probably
doesn't care. But the idea is Sadiq Khan, who to
his credit, keeps getting elected as Mayor of London third time.
Now he wants to close off Oxford Street make up
destrim and anyone who's ever been to Oxford Street knows
full well one that's where all the buses and the
cabs are. So but we know buses and no cabs.

(01:23:28):
The first thing you do when you come out of
Selfridges is look for a cab and there will be none.
And Oxford Street is a very long street. It goes
on a very long way, so when you come out
of a place like Selfridges filled with bags, you'll be
walking for miles before you get anything. So that's yet
another example of him basically systemically systematically ruining the place.

(01:23:48):
Mike last Grand Tour have to admit brought a tear
to my eye. It brings a tea to my ahead.
But I take your point. It's very it's a very
nice program and well worth watching.

Speaker 9 (01:23:59):
Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
The retireed age should be raised so you can stay
on here and keep telling it like it is, Tony.
Isn't it interesting? An interesting thing?

Speaker 26 (01:24:05):
I don't think it's not compulsory to retire. Time A
just understood what's going on there.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
I'm assuming though in some areas, like the public service,
it still must be because the idea everyone's working past
sixty five. These days, no one retires young unless they
want to, I don't know, go see the world or
something like that. More and more people are working as all.

Speaker 10 (01:24:24):
I want to do is retire. It's my whole gold
in life.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
That's because you're no good Well, yeah, you know what
I'm saying. Actually, speaking of old people, Respect for Elderly
Day is this week in Japan, a number of people
aged sixty five and over all time high. They've got
thirty six and a quarter million of them over sixty five.
This is from Morgan Stanley. So they've got huge demographic
problems and they've got a labor crunch. Overall, the population

(01:24:49):
itself is declining, so that makes it worse. So the
overall population is going backwards. Number of old people are
going up. It's grown by twenty nine percent, highest share
of any country in the world world last year. Number
of Japan's workers age sixty five and over see what
I mean, grew for the twentieth consecutive year, Riches a
record of nine point one four million, so everyone's working

(01:25:10):
post sixty five. A proportion of elderly people expected to
continue to rise to thirty four and a half percent
by twenty forty. The total labor force could drop though,
from about sixty nine million down to forty nine million,
so it's going backwards at a rate of knots. That's
between now and twenty fifty, so it's going backwards by millions.
But the percentage and number of people who are old

(01:25:31):
is going up. So the governments are all over this.
They're rolling out policies, more funds for child rearing, more
support for child care facilities. Local governments are supporting public
dating apps. They're desperate for people to have more money.
There's more and more respect for old people, and I'm
leading the charge. It's nine minutes away from nine.

Speaker 10 (01:25:54):
I've just warm up Yrsi in the frame. It's aloud
to be ready for you on my costume.

Speaker 9 (01:25:58):
Breakfast with Baillies.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
And Japan last two weeks. All the hotel, blue collar
staff for overseas immigrants. You see that a lot in
the hospital all over the world, Mike, once retirement ages reached,
step aside and make room for the next generation. It's
selfish to keep working unless you volunteers a weird old
world view.

Speaker 10 (01:26:15):
That's a good point. Stop being so selfish.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
And stop being so selfish. Tupplewear's bust. I'm not surprised
Katie brought home the last I think it's the last.
All that we may have overflow. You know, whoever's doing
the big glass containers at the supermarket at the moment,
whoever's doing that.

Speaker 10 (01:26:28):
That's worked well because you've forgotten who that is twice now.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
Yeah, exactly, I don't know. New world is it? New worlds?

Speaker 8 (01:26:33):
It?

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
She brought home the big one yesterday, made a delicious
cheese bake not in the container, another container, But we're
going to.

Speaker 10 (01:26:42):
Say, how did the container add to the taste of.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
Thee have a clue what's going on? Anyway, As a
result of New World making these glass containers available when
you spend nine eight hundred and sixty seven thousand dollars
on groceries, tupperwear has gone into chapter eleven a bankruptcy.
It's been they started in the fifties and you to
have you parties.

Speaker 10 (01:27:02):
But so they've cited there as a direct cause, have they?

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
They said, if it wasn't for bloody New World in
bankruptcy caught today, or I could have made that up.
I'm getting old. Five minutes away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
Trending now with the chemist Warehouse half price, Vito would sale.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
On now now Carmela's word sell. It featured that earlier
on in the program that's gone viral. So to us
Trump though, who's, by the way, in a bar in
New York as we speak, a crypto bar in New York. Anyway,
before he went to the crypto bar in New York,
he's been in Michigan. He is answering a question now
prizes to see if you can tell what he's talking about.
But I do have to say.

Speaker 8 (01:27:40):
So, I give these long, sometimes very complex sentences and paragraphs,
but they all come together.

Speaker 14 (01:27:47):
I do it a lot. I do it with.

Speaker 8 (01:27:50):
Raisin Kine that story.

Speaker 14 (01:27:52):
I do it with the story.

Speaker 8 (01:27:53):
On the catapults, on the aircraft carries. I do it
with a lot of different stories. When I mentioned doctor
Hannibal Lecter, I'm using that as an example of people
that are coming in from silence of the lamps.

Speaker 9 (01:28:04):
I used it.

Speaker 8 (01:28:04):
They say it's terrible, So they say, so, I'll give
this long, complex area for instance, that I talked about
a lot of different territory. The bottom line, as I said,
the most important thing, we're going to bring more plans
into your state and this country to make automobiles.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
Yeah, so he got to automobiles, having heard a lot
of them. I'd never heard the catapult story, and I'm
not one hundred percent certain i've heard the Lictor story either.

Speaker 10 (01:28:31):
Oh, come on, that's famous.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
Is that a famous story or is it going look.

Speaker 26 (01:28:34):
That out really well, because he seemed to think that
Hannibal Lictor was a real person and was he and
sort of got confused as to whether Anthony Hopkins or
Hannibal Lictor was a good actor.

Speaker 2 (01:28:45):
Okay, Oh well, I'm glad you've heard that one. But
what about the catapult? You heard the catapult? You haven't
heard the catapult, have you? There's the catapult story?

Speaker 19 (01:28:51):
You know.

Speaker 26 (01:28:51):
I mussage that I was a bit stuffed about the catapult,
but maybe there was one that he just told in
his head.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
Exactly do you think there is a catapult story? Anyway?
He wasn't rambling.

Speaker 8 (01:28:57):
The fags just like to say, oh he was rambling.

Speaker 9 (01:29:01):
No, No, that's that rambling.

Speaker 20 (01:29:02):
That's genius.

Speaker 9 (01:29:03):
When you can connect the.

Speaker 2 (01:29:04):
Dut you got to like it.

Speaker 10 (01:29:08):
When we fell into his trap.

Speaker 26 (01:29:10):
He's apparently back in twenty nineteen he wanted to install
steam catapults on aircraft carriers.

Speaker 10 (01:29:15):
It does ring a vague bell with me.

Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
On does it? Okay? Fair enough? Anyway, he's been in
this crypto bar in New York. I thought he was
launching his crypto business. He's about to launch a crypto business,
but apparently not. He just went down there too.

Speaker 26 (01:29:26):
He brought everybody around of burgers and drinks, and he
had to pay for it by scanning a QR code
and they couldn't make the phone work.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
You shortly and then your nine to noon session and
our little show's back as of six o'clock tomorrow morning,
as always, Happy Days.

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
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