Full Show Podcast: 20 December 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Setting the news of Jedder and digging into the issues.
Heather Duelic Ellen on the Mike Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's
Real Estate, your local experts across residential, commercial and rural
news talks, Dad be Real, Chris.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Morning, and welcome coming up today for the second time
this week. We knew the data was bad, we didn't
realize it was going to be quite that bad. We
just got the worst year economically since nineteen ninety one
according to the GDP data. We'll have a chat to
Westpac about that after seven, and then Michael Riddell, formerly
of the Reserve Bank, on just how badly Adrian or
has actually stuffed this up again the government's having to

(00:36):
force UNIS to protect free speech. Well, speak to the
New Zealand Initiative about that House New Zealand on striking
some targets but missing outs, and will wrap the week
with Tim and Trisherson.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Heather duplicy l.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
How good is that news out overnight that Liam Dawson's
be Lawson's been confirmed as a driver for red Bull
for twenty twenty five. I mean, I know it's kind
of been I suppose one of the worst kept secrets
in F one of late. So it kind of feels
a little today like a Fader company, but actually it
isn't at all. And this is an amazing success story
for a kid from New Zealand. I mean, you think
about it, Liam Lawson's just taken one of only twenty

(01:09):
spots available in F one next year. That is an
incredible feat for someone from a small country of only
five million people, competing against the best drivers in the
entire world. It just goes to show how incredibly talented
a driver he is and what a reward as well,
right for all of the sacrifice that he and his
family has made to get him to this position. He
left school at sixteen headed off overseas to try his

(01:32):
hand at being a driver. His parents especially had to
give up so much for this to happen. That to
relocate from Hawks Bay to book a Kobe, to get
him to the best place in the country to develop
his skills. They even sold their house to be able
to keep funding his racing. I mean, that is a
massive thing for parents to do when you think about it,
to upend their lives and give up their security to
give a child a best shot at what a lot

(01:53):
of people would have said to them would be a
crazy dream for a kid in a country that's only
got five million people, And actually this is the first
time that it's really starting to pay off. I mean,
you might assume that because Liam Lawson's been right up
there in the top tier of races in the world,
that he was already raking it in. But actually he's
been racing on a salary of about one hundred thousand
dollars a year, which is fine, but I mean for

(02:17):
somebody with a celebrity he's got, with the skill he's got,
with the sacrifice he and his parents have had to
make to get there, that's actually a surprisingly small salary,
don't you think Now in a year where we have
had no end of amazing sports success stories, from lulusun
to Hamishkur to the Black Caps beating India in India
for the first time ever, you would have to say
that this story, Liam Lawson's story has got to be

(02:38):
right up there who.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
News of the world. In ninety seconds, Kiers.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Starmer has been up in front of the Liaison Committee
for the first time and it turns out the UK
mirrors our issues when it comes to emergency housing.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
The numbers you quote to me on hopeless no tempora accommodation, Apauli,
that is what we inherited and you will have seen that.
Just in the last week to the Deputy Prime Ministers
set out the further the money we're putting into dealing
with homelessness and temporary accommodation.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Trump's case in Georgia about election subversion hasn't been thrown out,
but the DA has been disqualified from being able to
prosecute him because of a significant appearance of impropriety.

Speaker 5 (03:18):
The Georgia Court of Appeals is saying that it's a
significant appearance of impropriety caused by the conduct of a
public prosecutor. That is willis, how she behaved, how she
was speaking about the case about Trump publicly.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Now, the Feed and Jerome are worried about Trump's tariffs
and the effect they're going to have an inflation.

Speaker 6 (03:37):
We don't know what'll be tariffed from what countries, for
how long, in what size. We don't know whether they'll
be retaliatory tariffs. We don't know what the transmission of
any of that will be into consumer prices.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Meanwhile, a bipartisan government spending bill has gone back to
the drawing board after only a few days, or rather
only a few days before federal funding runs out. After
Trump wasn't a fan. Now it has sent as from
both sides lamenting that nothing can be done without their
overlord saying so. And Trump's former economic advisor knows who
else is to blame for one hundred billion dollars in
disaster aid not going to victims.

Speaker 7 (04:10):
For doose brothers have a lot of political influence right now,
because you know, they highlighted a lot of the port
and they blew it up, and President Trump was on
board with blowing it up.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Giselle Pelicott in France, her husband and fifty others have
all been sentenced just in the last few hours for
raping her.

Speaker 8 (04:31):
I'm thinking about the other families affected by this case
and the non recognized victims in these stories that are
often in the shadows. You must know you share my struggle.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Get back to the US. Luisi Mangioni, the shooter, has
waived his extradition to New York, agreeing to be transferred,
meaning he could appear in front of a court in
New York this morning.

Speaker 9 (04:54):
He was occasionally smiling, looked very relaxed. His Pennsylvania attorney
Thomas Dicky, had his arm around his chair and it
has been a bit of a surface atmosphere here with
about a dozen Luigi Mangioni supporters who have come out
here with signs and whatnot supporting him.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
And finally, the NBA team, the Charlotte Hornets. This year's
grinched before Christmas. So what happened is the team did
a mid game promo where they invited a young fan
on camera to come down to the court and then
they gave him a PS five for Christmas. Now, how
cool is that? A PS five when you're a kid
for Christmas? Until he didn't get the PS five because
as soon as the cameras were switched off for some reason,

(05:32):
they then took the PS five off him and gave
him a team jersey instead. Anyway, as a result of
that huge amount of backlash, now the Hornets have apologized,
saying it was on an on court skip that missed
the mark. Yeah, and included bad decision making and poor communication.
They're going to give the kids the PS five back
and they've invited him to a VIP experience at their
next game. So right, that's used of the world in

(05:53):
ninety seconds. Now you'll know that because we've talked about
it heaps and Mike's team talking about it a lot.
EV's are having it tough, but it looks like Tesla
in particular is it doing it particularly tough, and particularly
in Europe. Ev sales across Europe are down around about
ten percent, but Tesla is down about forty percent. Now
a bunch of reasons for this, analysts reckon. Part of

(06:14):
the problem is the EU's introduced these seven percent tariffs
on Chinese made cars, and Tesla of course ships some
cars in from China, so they'll be copying it. That
makes them more expensive. Also, they had a massive spike
in sales last year because of the temporary price cut,
so if you were going to buy a Tesly, you
were probably going to buy it last year and not
this year. Therefore the slump in sales. Also, and this

(06:35):
is kind of a fair point, isn't it, Tesla's cars
are starting to look a bit old. I mean, they
haven't had an update in Louie while so you're getting
the same old stuff. But also apparently some customers in
the EU are shunning the brand because Elon Musk backed
Donald Trump. Thirteen past six.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
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Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yeah, they don't forget the Kiwi sponsors who are also
behind and Liam Lawson, especially road and racing. That's a
fair point as well. They did help out a lot.
Sixteen past six.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yeah, Goney, Brig.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Smith given funds management with.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
US Morning, Greg, Good morning Heather.

Speaker 10 (07:11):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
That recession how bad?

Speaker 11 (07:14):
Yeah? Pretty bad.

Speaker 12 (07:15):
So it's the worse since nineteen ninety one if you
take out the COVID slump. So looking at the GDP
contraction the September quarter was one percent. That was way
worse than expectations for a point four percent decline. Then
you look at the gym quarter that was revised to
a one point one percent decrease.

Speaker 13 (07:31):
So we're in a bad spot.

Speaker 12 (07:33):
The economy's only point one percent bigger than it was
a year ago. So look who's at fault and what
can be done? Obviously questions that get raised at the
sort of time we started making the call and this
program a few months ago that the Abens had went
too hard on the way up in terms of rate
timing and they and they should be making jumbo cuts
in the order three quarters of percent. Look, they were
seen as a fairly extreme view. Well, you know, we

(07:55):
are in pretty extraordinary circumstances. So yeah, I think this
the sort of the credence. And there's more of those
sort of calls coming out yesterday, which was interesting and
it's pretty sad in many ways. It takes a somewhat
outdated GDP print this is two months old now to
bring it to light. I mean, we talked to a
lot of businesses. Many of them are doing tough anyway
you cut it. Things are bad. So you look at
industry wise, eleven of the sixteen industries saw falls. Manufacturing,

(08:18):
business services, construction goods, producing service industries that was down
almost three percent. The main pocket of brightness is we've
talked about as a dear industry, So primary industry is
up one percent, but everywhere else is under the pump.
It's also remembering that a rising population has also masked
how bad things are. So GENIP per capita was down
one point two percent. That's the eighth consecutive fall. So look,

(08:42):
I think it confirms not only that the Urbans was
right to put through that fifty basis point rate cut,
but it just raised a question why it actually didn't
seriously consider going a little bit hard. I mean, their
primary mandate price stability. Our economy is seriously deflating. You know,
we went two hard and rates in the way out
and we're paying the price. And yeah, and those who
talked about sort of a few comments that this Prince then Nadia,

(09:04):
I just wonder if they're talking to real businesses. I
mean jobs are being cut on mass in some companies
on the brink of failure. So look, I think drastic
actions needed. Have said that before. We probably won't get
it for a while. The aben Z doesn't meet for
more than two months. Agan Or He said that officials
are not in complete holiday and connective needed. Well, look,
if this doesn't draw them out of their batchers, I'm

(09:26):
not sure what will.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
I think you've been proven right as time goes on. Hey,
the Fed though, they so it's a lot better in
the States. They're not going to have as many cuts
as they were expecting.

Speaker 12 (09:34):
Am Oh yeah, And look, and comparing the aben Z
to what the Fed is doing is like apples and oranges.
I mean, their economy is growing at three percent, So
if they cut rates by core percent as expected, markets
plunged OCAs droon. Powell said that it was a close
call and that investors shouldn't expect only two cuts next
year run the four that was forecast. So eah, their

(09:55):
economy is doing well. There was data overnight confirming this
that grew to revised three point one percent, the third
quarter unemployment forecasts for this year being cut to four
point two percent. They're basically looking for further progress on inflation.
They revised their forecast there it's proving a bit sticky
to two point five percent end the next year from
two point one percent. They're probably also giving a bit
of a nod to the inflationary impact of Donald Trump's policies.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
Power seed.

Speaker 12 (10:18):
The rates have moved down one percent from their peak levels,
but going forward it'll be things will be at a much
slower pace.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
So as I.

Speaker 12 (10:25):
Said, you know, comparing the US with New Zealand, you
know it's just not accurate. You know, we've got the
west procession COVID side in over thirty years.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah too, right, Okay, give us the numbers.

Speaker 12 (10:35):
Okay, So yeah, the markets have actually bounced back a
little bit. If you look at the US, they plunged yesterday.
So the Dow is that point five percent forty two
five to two five p hundred five hundred pat percent
five nine zero one. Now's that up point seven percent
nineteen five to twenty foot C one hundred down one
point one percent. The Bank of Rates on hold, as
did the Bank of Japan, and the CA is down

(10:56):
point seven percent, six two hundred, down one point seven
percent eighty one six eight insidex fifty we were down
point nine per cent twelve seven five four goal down
forty four dollars two thousand and six and nine US
and ounce oil down forty cent seventy spot one six
A bell just in the currency market's a que who's
up against the US dollar point three percent fifty six

(11:16):
point four we're down point two percent against the Australian
dollar ninety point three British pound forty five point zero,
we're up point seven percent, And that's a rap pushing
all A wonderful Christmas?

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Is that you for the year you off today?

Speaker 12 (11:31):
I certainly am so a couple of weeks look forward.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
To mate Gowell, enjoyed a merry Christmas to you, That
is Greg Smith of Devon Funds Management. Listen to here's
an early Christmas present for Ashburton, who frankly deserve it.
You're getting a second bridge. I've been campaigning for this,
apparently at council level for about twenty years. Let's talk
about this after half past six at six twenty one the.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
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Speaker 2 (11:55):
B Heather, I am speechless. Sonoda had the inside running
for the seat because of his connection with Honda. So
for Red Bull to give it to Lawson is actually
massive and that's a very fair point. No, and Sam's
throwing his hands up in the air and having a
crap Honda leaving and they're going to Aston Martin in
twenty twenty six, so that thank you seals the deal, weirdly,

(12:18):
because but what's happened is because Mike has become an
EF one nut, everybody else than the team has become
an e F one nuts, So just be careful, Like honestly.

Speaker 13 (12:25):
I only briefly became one because we touched out. Yeah,
because I just got so sick of all this, Yes,
you got sick of the drama. Yeah, I hate I hate.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
It, which is what if one is about.

Speaker 13 (12:35):
I just want the cars to go round and around
and crash into each other.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yes, so don't don't send in texts unless you know
your facts on F one because it makes it there
are no Sam.

Speaker 11 (12:44):
The f one.

Speaker 14 (12:45):
That's what I've discovered. There are no facts. Okay, it's
all just rumor and hyperbole.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Don't take the Glen approach because it really stresses Sam out.
And if Sam gets stressed in the morning, then I
get stressed in the morning, and I don't need that.
It's my last morning, isn't that? Because it's Christmas soon?
Yay six five.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Now with Chemist were House, the home of Big brand vitamins.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
So what is it with Hollywood and making weird films
about animals? In the last couple of years, We've had
Cocaine Bear, Cocaine Shark, which actually also featured a puppet
looking crab shark, the live action Winnie the Pooh where
both Pooh and Piglet are serial killers, Slough a House
about a serial killer sloth, and then of course The
Red which is about that giant zombie kangaroo that was
tormenting Australia. So is it even a surprise at this

(13:25):
point when we get the next movie about a killer unicorn.

Speaker 11 (13:30):
I need you to act like everything is fine.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Is there something in your car?

Speaker 11 (13:37):
Species in this area are rare?

Speaker 2 (13:40):
What exactly are we seeing?

Speaker 11 (13:41):
This is though, I think we know exactly what it is.

Speaker 15 (13:44):
Horse like mammalia with some sort of protrusial growth.

Speaker 16 (13:50):
It's a unicorn.

Speaker 13 (13:54):
I don't think I should be in in swim shorts.

Speaker 11 (13:56):
For this moment.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Whatever it is, it seems to be the cure for cancer.

Speaker 17 (14:02):
Cancer.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
That that's the biggest one.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
Have never been so alive.

Speaker 13 (14:10):
Here's how then we killed Bigfoot on the way home.

Speaker 18 (14:12):
Marn't.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Now it's called Death of Unicorn. It's built as a
black comedy horror. And I know you're listening to this
and you're going, this is a joke. This is some
sort of Indy C class movie. No, it's not. Listen
to the cast, Paul Rudd, he's the headliner, Jenna or Tager,
Will Poulter, Tia Leonie of Jurassic Park fame, and Richard E. Grant,
who is like one of the classiest actors out there,

(14:36):
as part of this absolute shambles of a movie. Anyway,
The Shambles is going to be out an autumn next year.
We're all going to tune and really enjoy it. By
the looks of things. Richard Arnold speaking of classy people.
Richard Arnold will be with us sometime in the next
half hour. We'll talk about what's going on with the
old government shut down eight Trump he's not even back
in power and we're back to the old days, aren't

(14:57):
we with shutdowns and stuff like that? So far with them,
We'll to talk about GDP News is next News Dogs.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
There'd be.

Speaker 19 (15:04):
A b.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
The breakfast show.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
You can try us Canda du for c Allen on
the Mic Hosking Breakfast with a Vida, Retirement, Communities, Life
Your Way, News Dogs head be Heather.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Adrian Law has been used as a scapegoat for a
country that was always going to go into deep economic
recession because of structural decline. He may have made it
a degree or two worse, but this economic situation was
always going to happen. Steve, I think you might be
in a minority feeling like that. But we'll talk about
it in the tech Right now, it's twenty three away
from seven.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
Now.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Ashburton is finally getting itself a second bridge to council.
There has been campaigning for a bridge a second one
for nearly two decades, and Business Canterbury chief executively Anne
Watson is with us now, Hailey, Anne, how you this?

Speaker 20 (15:56):
Now?

Speaker 2 (15:56):
This is good news. I mean for any place getting
a second of anything. This is fantastic news, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (16:02):
Oh?

Speaker 21 (16:02):
Absolutely, And as you've said, you know, this has been
a very long awaited second bridge. So getting that confirmation
you stead of the government funding has been really welcomed
right across not only the local Ashburton business community, I'm sure,
but right across Canbury and in affect the South Island
because it's a really important piece of infrastructure.

Speaker 11 (16:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
And for an important piece of infrastructure, how many times
has it been washed away lately?

Speaker 22 (16:26):
Oh?

Speaker 21 (16:26):
Well, certainly at least two or three times that I
know of, the latest back in twenty twenty three. And
the effect that that has on, as I say, not
only to South Island sorry the Ashburton, but the whole
of the South Island is pretty significant. So it is
a bit of a lifeline to get not only people
in and out of Ashburton, but of course also freight

(16:47):
and there's a significant volume of freight that travels across
that bridge every day heading up to both Christian Chiport
and the Littleton Port and so it has a significant
impact right across the whole business community when it is
you know unavailable.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Yeah, when bridge number one goes down and the freight
can't get across, what's the alternative?

Speaker 21 (17:08):
So there is another bridge, but it's about twenty seven
kilometers away, So of course you know that's a significant
diversion and you know that costs money, it cost time,
and it's just a real inconvenience. But you know, even
you know, if you're traveling through Ashbooton, you know you
can be stuck waiting to get across that bridge for
sort of anywhere between you know, sort of half an
hour to an hour in peak time. And you know,

(17:30):
when you think about that from a business perspective, if
you've got you know, freight being moved you know daily,
you know that is a significant extra cost and delay
to move freight across that sort of main state highway.
So yeah, this is a really significant announcement and you know,
take my head off to the local leaders the likes
of you know meor Neil Brown, you know, who has

(17:52):
been campaigning, as you say, for a couple of decades
to get this piece of infrastructure underway, so it's really
great to see the Government of actually finally made that
come up.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Lee.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
And by the way, while i've got you that GDP
figure out yesterday, did that surprise.

Speaker 21 (18:04):
You, Yeah, it was pretty disappointing. You know, we've certainly
seen some challenges out there for many sectors. But what
it did surprise me, I guess is we've just recently
also done our own quarterly business survey and it was
in contrast to that because actually what we've seen as
record high levels of optimism heading into twenty twenty five,

(18:27):
So it was a bit concerning. But I think, you know,
we are certainly seeing some real strong signals from cannery
businesses about the future, not only in terms of the economy,
but also in terms of their own performance and starting
to just see a bit more commitment and confidence in
investing in new staff, new plant and equipment. It's not
coming up quite as fast as what we would like,

(18:49):
so yeah, we were a little concerned to see that,
but you know, Canary business seemed to be bucking the
trend a little bit, so let's hope that that continues.

Speaker 22 (18:57):
Well.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
You are doing very well as a region, Lely and
thanks very much, really appreciate the green shoots and news there.
That's Leanne Watson, Business Canterbury Chief Executive. You're so on this,
okayse So yesterday the number I mean, Jesus, well, we're
expecting what zero point four percent was kind of or
zero point two percent depends on where you sat, but
it was definitely towards the zero, not towards the one.
So when it came in at Won that was something

(19:17):
of a shock. But what was also equally a shot
was the revision of the Q two data, which we
were told was oh well, yeah, had gone back with
zero point two percent. Suddenly it's one point one percent.
What's going on in Stats New Zealand because yesterday I
was just telling you Stats New Zealand were like, ah, yeah,
Wellington lost twenty thousand workers. Yeah oopsto sorry two two

(19:37):
thousand yeah sorry, slight, slight revision in the order of
magnitude of ten times. And then they do basically the
same thing with the GDP data, where they're like, it's
just a little decline, no, but lord, it's a massive decline.
How what's going on? Stats? Come on guys anyway, listen
Westpac Senior economist Michael Gordon's going to be with us
after seven o'clock. He'll talk us through the data just

(19:58):
how bad it is and fingers crossed out. We threw
the worst of it nineteen away from.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
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Speaker 2 (20:09):
Be Hey on the drones. By the way, here's a
quick update for you. The FAA, which they are the
guys in the States to control the skies. Basically, the
FAA has banned any drones from flying over parts of
certain areas of New Jersey for a full month. They
say there will be some exceptions. Obviously they will hand
them out for special security reasons and stuff like that.

(20:29):
But if they see drones up there, they are reserving
the right to use deadly force against them if they
consider that they oppose an imminent security threat. Now what
this means is if Biden at l are all right,
there's just there are some legit drones up there, and
everybody else is just copycatting and making the situation worse.
It should clear it up with the ban.

Speaker 13 (20:47):
How do you use deadly force against something that's not alive.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
It's a really good question. What it means is that
thing is coming down. They're going to actually shoot it down.
This that's the best that you could possibly assume from that. Anyway,
We'll see if it clears it up or not.

Speaker 17 (21:00):
It's called it to seven International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Peace of mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Richard Arnold out of the US is with us right now, Richard.

Speaker 23 (21:09):
Hello, good morning, Christmas approaching right yep?

Speaker 2 (21:12):
And a shutdown?

Speaker 3 (21:14):
Learning yeah?

Speaker 23 (21:15):
Will there be a shutdown over the holidays with many
government workers getting no money, no pay, maybe a delay
in pensions for seniors and vets, and again no cash
for Christmas. That is entirely possible because of Elon Musk,
the world's richest man, has torpedoed a Republican backfunding deal.
So now they're scrambling at the minute to fix this

(21:36):
thing by deadline time, which is tomorrow night, folks. So
far they do not have the by partisan vote numbers
to pass another Elon Musk approved spending plan by the
time of that deadline. So happy Christmas, app happy end
of yew holidays. Elon Musk, by the way, put four
hundred and ninety million dollars New Zealand into the Trump
election campaign. Since Trump one, Elon has gained a financial windfall.

(21:59):
His total wealth, they say, a shot up by three
hundred and one billion dollars New Zealand to a grand
total of eight hundred and sixty billion. Also, Elon now
looks to have taken residence at Marra Lago, Trump's Florida estate.
He's there most of the times that would have hanging
around now. Elon was not elected to anything. He's just
a businessman who gets most of his money from government contracts,

(22:19):
especially with SpaceX. But he says the spending bill should
not include money for cleaning up after natural disasters hurricanes, fires, flights, tornadoes.
Pecked with those folks. And he's posted more than one
hundred tweets in the last twenty four hours or exites
or whatever and on his social media site that he
owns saying the government spending bill should be quashed. In
one he says, quote shutting down the government is infinitely

(22:40):
better than passing a horrible bill. Well thanks, wy in
effect the almost trillionaire. The way this played out has
Democrats and some Republicans calling Musks the president or shadow
president it was Musk who first delayed the government's spending
beat deal. Only after that did Trump sign on with
his comments. So who's calling the shots. He's running the show,
asked former Republican Congressman Adam Kinsingham.

Speaker 15 (23:03):
President Musk this morning made it clear with all his
vast government experience, which is basically he became rich on
the federal government, that he doesn't want Republicans to pass this,
and seemingly Vice President Trump kind of backed him up
then at that point. And what it says about the
politics is this is going to be a messy four years.

Speaker 23 (23:21):
No Democrat Primula jaypoul says, it is clear who's in charge,
and she said, yes, you ain't Trump.

Speaker 24 (23:28):
It will be their fault that Americans don't get disaster relief,
that Americans don't get their Social Security checks. That is
on the Republicans. Mike Johnson negotiated a deal with Leader
Jeffries and Chuck Schumer and Joe Biden, and now he's
reniking on the deal because the shadow President Elon Musk
said that we shouldn't be doing this deal.

Speaker 20 (23:49):
So this is on them.

Speaker 23 (23:51):
Well, right now, it looks like the only way for
the government shutdown to be averted is with Democratic Party
votes in the House, will the dam saying Republicans the
House Speaker Johnson says the leader of the House Democrats,
the Keing Jeffreys.

Speaker 19 (24:05):
House Republicans will now own any harm that is visited
upon the American people that results from a government shutdown.

Speaker 23 (24:18):
All this puts the Speaker, by Johnson's third in line
to the presidency by the way, in danger. Will he
survive or will the Republican civil wars take down yet
another speaker. That speaker, one of the most senior officials
in the government here, was pleading with Musk and his offsider,
failed presidential contender Viva co Romaswami until late last night
to let the spending deal go through.

Speaker 25 (24:40):
Elin and Vivek and I are on a text chain
together and I was explaining to them the background of this.

Speaker 6 (24:44):
Remember, guys, we still have just a razor thin margin
of Republicans.

Speaker 23 (24:48):
Really, the elected speaker begging rich outsiders to let him
keep the government running. Meantime, Trump and now has jumped
on board in support of Elon Musk, while also calling
for the amount of the debt the US can have
the so called its ceiling to be increased, so it
doesn't have to be done on his watch. So on
one hand they're calling for spending cuts, on the other
demanding a spending cap increase. Also they can blame each

(25:12):
other for the living financial woes and all the while
who suffers, well, of course it's yeah, government workers, vets,
seniors and the poor.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Ah yeah, brilliant stuff. Hey listen, Richard, go and have
yourself lovely. Christmas has been lovely, chat too, look after yourself.
It's Arnald are us correspondent. Heither is that? Seriously? The
extent of the news reporting on the drone situation in
the East coast of the United States today, it is today,
it is collectively, we've been keeping you updated on it,
and obviously it goes without saying the reason that we're

(25:40):
using deadly force on a drone is because you don't
know there might be something in there that needs to
be killed, at which point we start playing some X
files music, you know what I mean. Birkenstocks Now, Birkenstock
has just finished its first full year as a public company,
and it is going absolutely gangbusters at the moment. It's
beat market expectations and fourth quarter with the sales, the

(26:01):
shares are up seven percent as a result. It's managed.
What's amazing about it is, given the state of everything,
it's managed to do this without doing the pre Christmas discounting.
You're actually paying more right now for the products than
you were maybe I don't know, a year ago or something,
because the average selling prices this year are up eight percent.
And the thing that is causing the Birkenstock to do

(26:22):
really well at the moment is the clog. Apparently the
clog is now making up about a third of its business.
And if I can recommend anything to you, right it's
not the right season for the clog right now, but
you're going to wear your clog next winter. So if
you're thinking, oh, what can I get the woman in
my life who I love deeply and I don't know
what to get her a pair of Birkenstock's clogs. You
will change her life. She will be cool. You're welcome

(26:44):
ten away from seven Ever.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Dupleusy Ellen on the MI casking Breakfast with al Vida, Retirement,
Communities News togs head Behether.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
I've been loving the Strone stuff. I watch every foreign
news clip on it. I think, honestly, some of these
are of alien origin and shadowed by US military drones.
It's great times. Full disclosure is close, Heather, and I'm excited, Steve.
You're going to be excited for a while mate. Anyway, listen.
Free speech thought, this was fascinating thought. A bunch of
universities actually started kind of getting themselves in line on

(27:15):
the free speech and figuring out, but obviously not enough,
so the government's decided they're going to pass a law
on it. So I have a chat about this New
Zealand initiatives. Michael Johnston's with us in about twenty minutes time.
It's six away from seven.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
All the inns are the outs.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
It's the fiz with business favor take your business productivity
to the next level now.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Just to make your holiday travel super stress free this year,
I thought i'd detail some of the holiday mishap from
last year and the money spent trying to sort it out.
This is data that comes from Southern Cross Travel Insurance
and it looks at claims that are made around Christmas
time last year, which actually encompasses the period from November
all the way through to February, so it's basically most
of your summer travel. Anyway, health emergencies. No surprise. Biggest

(27:56):
spender last year, two point sixty seven million dollars was
paid out for medical and evacuation claims, with the biggest
individual bill being for four hundred and sixty thousand dollars.
That's for one person. No guesses needed for what country
that person was in at the time. There were also
individual activity bills, like a nineteen thousand dollar medical claim
for a skiing accident. They paid out one million in

(28:18):
lost baggage and Christmas gift claims also included everything from
stolen bags to smash gifts in check and luggage. Stop
putting your alcohol in your suitcase, peopole, put it in
your carry on bag, then you can avoid that. Bari
was a major destination for claims. Most of them were medical.
Many people needed medical assistance because of the infamous barley belly.
So where are we going this summer? That has caused

(28:39):
people to get the most insurance for Ossie number one destination,
followed by the US and also by Japan. Speaking of Ossie,
tell you what's flipping out, old mate, Varnaby Joyce over
in Aussie at the moment, it's the gingerbread men, Because
what's happened is he's wandered himself down to the Parliamentary
Cafe in Canberra, which is probably better than what he
used to do, which is wander himself down to the

(28:59):
Parliamentary bar. But anyways, it goes gone down to the
Parliamentary Cafe for his late afternoon sugarhead and he sees
they've changed the gingerbread men into gingerbread people to be
gender neutral. And as if that's not bad enough that
they've been called gingerbread people, they're also vegan, and as
that's not bad enough, they also cost three dollars fifty
each in Aussie dollars, so what's that's like seven hundred

(29:22):
million New Zealand dollars. You could buy six of them
for twenty eight dollars for a bargain. They're not big enough,
by the way to be three dollar fifty ones. Anyway,
he's so livid. He said, all this stuff's been forced
on me. Just leave it. And he's flipped out and
he said, the more you do this, the more you
piss people off, and the more you encourage a Trump
type snapback. That's right, gingerbread people are going to make
you so angry. You're going to do a trump on.

Speaker 13 (29:43):
That the way you've ever done the gingerbread house at
this tome of year, bulls it or made it Yeah,
both hard?

Speaker 2 (29:49):
No, have you?

Speaker 14 (29:51):
Well, I've seen people attempt it on numerous occasions, and
it seems to be fraught.

Speaker 13 (29:58):
The assemblage of the gingerbread house.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
I'm starting to think that anything to do with food
at Christmas time is fraught. And I'm increasingly and quite
quickly moving towards what you want to do as a
barbecue outside and anything other than that, you're just making
your life hard. Stop it. You don't need it.

Speaker 12 (30:12):
Right.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
We're doing GDP next, we're going to do how much
adrianall is to blame for this? And we're going to
do free speech news togs EDB.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Being used bold opinions Heather due to c Allen on
the mic Hosking breakfast with the range Rover villa designed
to intrigue and use togs EDB were.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Good morning to you for the second time this week.
We knew that the data was going to be bad,
but we didn't know it was going to be this bad,
did we? The GDP in the third quarter was down
a full percentage point. That's much worse than the zero
point two percent that was expected the previous quarter. Q
two has also been revised down even further, making this
the worst recession that we've had excluding COVID since nineteen
ninety one. Westpac senior economist Michael Gordon's with us Morning, Michael. Michael,

(30:58):
Ye there, Yes, good morning, Good morning.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Why was this so much worse? Do you think than
the forecasts?

Speaker 26 (31:04):
It's never one thing that drives it. I think one
thing that did stand out was a little more recognition
of the cutbacks in the public sector, which weren't initially
being fully captured the figures we were looking at three
months ago.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
This does this, to some extent, explain what we were
hearing from people out there who were saying, this is
really tough, it's the worst thing we've seen in forty years,
and these figures back it up.

Speaker 27 (31:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 26 (31:29):
I think it's certainly showing that the kind of grind
that we've had really through this year is now showing
up a bit more fully than that the GDP numbers
that we saw three months ago. I tend to think
because GDP can be revised a lot, I tend to say,
if you want to know what's going on in the
economy right now, Probably best to look at the jobs

(31:52):
numbers because they're not vulnerable to the same kind of issues,
and they had been telling a similar story. We did
see quite a cutback in jobs through the middle part
of this year, especially. They look to have stabilized a
bit more recently, and we're also seeing things like business confidence,
consumer confidence surveys. People are feeling a little bit more upbeat.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Now, how do we explain stats getting the second quarter
figures so badly wrong? Going originally saying it was negative
zero point two and now saying it's negative one point one.

Speaker 26 (32:19):
It's a terribly boring explanation. I'm afraid there's a lot
of it came through changes in the way that they
adjust for seasonality in the numbers, So it's really about
it doesn't change the overall growth rate, it kind of
changes when they think the growth occurred within the year.
I'm not entirely happy with what they've done with it,

(32:40):
to be honest. I think it might be revised again
in the future, up or down. I think probably that
court will go up, others will go down.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Okay, Now, look when you look at it broken down
by sector, it feels like some of the stuff that's
happened in Q three or stuff we couldn't have dodged,
like the decline in electricity and gas, and we've got
no control over that, and I guess some of the
decline and manufacturing is related to that. Or am I
being a little too generous here?

Speaker 3 (33:05):
Now?

Speaker 26 (33:05):
There's always one off things in these numbers that you
sort of look through and as a full cast or
I'm sort of going, well, I know that the hydro
lakes are full now, so I don't think we'll have
the same issues with electricity, but it always happens. I
think if you move through you can see things like
we've seen sectors like construction, manufacturing, retail. You know, they've
kind of been in decline for a while and they're

(33:27):
quite cyclical, quite interest rate sensitive sectors. So it was
really telling a story of we had high interest rates
for the last year or so.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Yeah, Michael, thanks, it's really good to talk to you.
That's Michael Gordon, Westpac senior Economists. Just to give you
some international comparison to understand how badly we're doing. We
went backwards in Q three one percent, right, negative one,
Australia up zero point three, Canada up zero point three,
China up zero point nine, Japan up zero point three,

(33:55):
Britain up zero point one, United States up zero point seven,
coming up eleven past seven, Heather do for clan prison
of courses? What does this say about the Reserve Bank
who deliberately engineered the recession that we find ourselves in?
Former Reserve Bank economist Michael Radella's with us. Hey, Michael,
do you think the Reserve Bank has made a mistake
sending us to a three month summer break with an

(34:16):
ocr setting this high above neutral?

Speaker 27 (34:20):
I mean the three months summer break as a bad
core always has been on their part. The data do
come through and they need to be able to respond.
The government tells us that, you know, they can have
emergency meetings if they need to, but you know it's
always going to be a very high threshold for that,
so they should have changed that calendar. The bigger question
still is the held monetary policy too tight for too long?

(34:43):
You know, it's only six months ago they were talking
about raising rates further. That was just clearly out to lunch.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Have we met the threshold for them coming back during
the break do you think?

Speaker 3 (34:52):
No?

Speaker 27 (34:52):
I don't think so I'd be really surprised. You they'll
be looking outwards the CPI coming out in the second
half of January, and they wouldn't want to do anything
before that. Months that's come out, they have to work
the numbers through their forecast, and then they'll go, it's
only three weeks until I'm next, And so what do.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
You reckon seventy five basis points in February?

Speaker 27 (35:12):
Oh, I think that's still a big call. I think
you know, they were talking pretty confidently at fifty points
in February at last the NPS. I think that's still
the most likely move. What's more likely is that we
see a continued succession of cuts during next year. You know,
he's hit a number of economists going for fifty points
in February, and then things might start to tail off

(35:34):
quite rapidly. I suspect what we'll see if inflation continuing
to fall away faster, and they'll need to be cutting
rates towards three or maybe even under three by the
remember of the next year.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
What do you reckon Adrian or thought when he saw
that number yesterday? Do you reckon that was what he wanted?
Or may have realized that he overcooked everything.

Speaker 27 (35:51):
I'm sure it wasn't what he wanted his focus, and rightly,
central banks always focused on the inflation numbers. Inflation has
been coming down a bit faster, and they appreciate it,
but they had already got that in the bag. They'll
look at that and go, oh, my goodness, you know
what's happened here. Some of that, of course, is about
those revisions from statistics. New Zealand Reserve Bank can't control that.

(36:12):
But some of it, standing back still, is that we
had a really big inflation probably a couple of years ago,
and it was always like here that it was going
to need something pretty nasty to get that down. In
some ways, it's puzzling that other countries haven't needed something
quite so bad yet. But there are still challenges there
in the US, for example, where they're saying, look, you know,
maybe inflation hadn't come down as far as we would

(36:32):
have liked.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Michael's good to talk to you. Thank you, Michael Riddell,
Former Reserve Bank economist heller Do for see Ellen Luigi Mangioni,
who is the shooter in the healthcare CEO situation. He's
just arrived in New York. Geez. They've moved fast on
the seven day, just arrived in New York because he
was fighting the extradition order. Didn't want to have to
go to New York to face his charges, and gave
up on that. This morning, they flew him out pretty

(36:54):
much immediately flew him apparently because they didn't want to
drive them because they didn't want to know Ja Simpson's
situation all over again. So he's landed just in the
last few minutes, and he's had to do the perp
walk across the tarmac. And I'll tell you what there are.
Hey is vastly outnumbered by agents there. I reckon there
would be easily two dozen agents around him. He's iness

(37:15):
of an orange suit and they are all around them
with their guns and their helmets, and it's quite full
on the way that they're dealing with this one. Anyway,
it's made for quite the spectacle in a story that is, well,
I suppose, in a weird where quite spectacular. Seventeen at
fourteen past.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
Seven, the Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio
powered by News Talks.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
That'd be either if the worst recession in nearly forty
years doesn't meet the Reserve Bank threshold for an emergency meeting.
What does very good question seventeen past seven. Now, the
government's decided to give UNIS a bit of a hand
sorting out their free speech guidelines. All will be passed
forcing the UNIS to adopt a freedom of speech statement
and then also banning them from taking any positions on
issues unrelated to their core functions, like the war and Gaza,

(37:57):
for example, with US now as former Victoria Universe and
New Zealand Initiative, Senior Fellow Michael Johnston, Heymichael.

Speaker 28 (38:03):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Aren't they already legally supposed to do this because of
the Education Act and the Bill of Rights?

Speaker 11 (38:09):
Yes, they are.

Speaker 28 (38:10):
The Education and Training Act certainly makes very clear their
obligations to provide a venue for academics and students to
freely discuss ideas and challenge controversial ideas and so on,
and the Human Rights Act guarantees freedom of speech. The
problem is that if they don't uphold those obligations, then

(38:32):
academics and students have very little recourse. They can go
to court or perhaps the Human Rights Tribunal, but those
time consuming exercises and onerous and in the case of
the courts, expensive, so they need.

Speaker 27 (38:45):
A bit of help.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
So how does this law change it? Does it give
them a course?

Speaker 28 (38:51):
Well, one of the stipulations is that there needs to
be a robust complaints procedure, so yes, it really would
help with that.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Do you feel about this, I mean, in an ideal world,
you want them to sort of get to the point
where they realize how important free speeches of their own ecotomy.

Speaker 28 (39:08):
Well, an ideal world for sure, and in fact, in
the past it's been a lot better. I've been around
university is a very long time. My father was an
academic and I remember an environment that was very different
to the current one. So the culture is the root
problem in universities, and in particular the culture in the

(39:29):
university management.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Now, the problem is if you're forcing it on them
rather than them voluntarily and through their own intelligence realizing
how important free speeches, then aren't they just going to
find other ways to get around it and do what
they want anyway, like citing health and safety.

Speaker 28 (39:42):
Well there's a risk of that for sure, and this
is not a silver bullet to solve the cultural problem,
but I do think that it's necessary and hopefully it
will shake them up enough to instigate a culture change.
Now that will take time. The cultures don't change over
the all right, And certainly I would say that the

(40:04):
problems on campuses are in part a result of a
political bias pretty strongly to the left, and there's a
lack of viewpoint diversity amongst staff as a result of that.
That's the sort of thing that requires quite a long

(40:25):
process to change. But in the immediate term, I do
think that universities need some help to recognize their existing obligations.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
As you've said, it.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Really is like putting training wheels on the Michael, Thank you,
Michael Johnston, former Victoria University dean and Initiative New Zealand
Initiative senior fellow. By the way, that judge who verbally
allegedly verbally attacked, well, she did admit it. She admitted
that she was rude in the bit out of hand, right,
So anyway, the judge was a bit rude to Winston
Peters after the Christmas party is now under investigation by

(40:58):
the Judicial Conduct Commission. Apparent the commission has just done
this off his own accord. He read what had happened,
he read some media commentary on it, decided and our
best to have a look at this then, so a
preliminary examination is now underway. And even if he hadn't
reached this position of his own accord, it sounds like
he might have got there anyway because due to the
Collins Attorney General Center letter, and there was also a

(41:18):
complaint from a member of the public. So there you go.
That's being sorted out right now here. The Luxon is
not one of my favorite people, but I have to
say I admire and salute his stance on not attending
White Tounguy Day. Let's deal with us next seven to twenty.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
One, the mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio

Speaker 2 (41:37):
That'd be Health New Zealand have been set those targets.
They've missed a couple of them. They're doing okay on
a couple of them. We'll talk to the chief executive,
Marji Upper after half past seven now seven to twenty three.
I think on the White Tonguey Day thing, I think
Chris Luxen's made the right call not going to White
Tongy next year. I mean, I think he's going to
copy it from the press gallery for being a woss.
But the rest of us have probably been around long

(41:59):
enough to see the logic in this one. We know
by now White Tounguy is volatile and unpredictable at the
best of times. I mean, you can Coppadildo in the
face for doing absolutely nothing. So imagine how intense it's
going to be next year with the Treaty Principal's build
debate and full swing in the Select Committee process underway
already and everything going on already. Willie Jackson's warned the
Prime Minister about his safety if he goes up there.

(42:20):
Will He said, Apparently Mari are angry and you just
never know. Now, it's hardly quite apart from what WILLI
said here, it's hardly as if Chris Luxon is being
made to feel like he is welcome to attend. He's
apparently being told he's not allowed. He is allowed to
come on the sixth, which is why Tangy Dad, but
then he's not allowed to come on the fourth because

(42:41):
he's not welcome at the big meeting that the National
Ee Chairs Forum hosts every year where everybody else is
going to be. He's had a letter from the Hekoy
organizers telling him he's not welcome at White Toungy at all.
He loses nothing by giving this event Tomis next year.
I doubt very much he's going to win votes if
he ends up going. He could actually instead lose votes
by going and standing there like a pin art are
taking a verbal bashing over a bill that's actually not

(43:02):
his Politically, he's smart to put some space between himself
and that bill. He is better off leaving the defending
of that bill to the guy who's actually responsible for it,
who's David Seymour, who says he is actually going up
so Lux and I think can actually say he's done enough.
He's been there two years in a row a ready,
He's shown respect, he's defended his corner. He's not being
made to feel welcome, he has been threatened by Willie Jackson.

(43:25):
Right minded people I think absolutely will understand why he
may not want to go, and frankly why he shouldn't
have to go.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
Heather duplusy Ellen.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
I don't know if you noticed this, but we've just
had three blokes on the program, Michael, Michael and Michael So.
We had Michael Gordon talking about GDP. We had Michael
Riddell talking about the OCRO med Michael Johnston talking about
free speech. Now, do you know what we've missed an
opportunity because if we would have jackpotted, if we had
Michael Hoskins sitting here, and we could have had four

(43:54):
Michaels all in a row having chats to it, isn't
that weird?

Speaker 13 (43:57):
Not to mention the fact that the next person we're
talking isn't called Michael either. That's annoying.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Margie is close enough, though, we can make her an
honorary Michael. It's a little bit like.

Speaker 13 (44:06):
You know, when you go I would have accepted a Mikayla.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Yeah, next three year. It's a bit like you know,
when you go to Mexico and everybody's called Jose, or
if you go to a Middle Eastern country, everybody's called Mohammad.
You come to New Zealand everybody's called Michael. So I
don't know if you're having a baby next year or
in the remaining days of this year and you're you're
short on names. I mean, I think we've sorted it
out for you. In fact, I'm having a baby. In fact,

(44:29):
I'm having a baby, and I should call her Michael,
and that wouldn't be weird. I've heard of people calling
baby girls Michael before. How was this just quickly for
serendipity in solving a crib and get a load of this? Okay,
Back in November last year, there was a guy who
was living in Spain who was reported missing by a relative.
The relative got a little bit suspicious because out of
the blue, the guy in Spain started texting him and

(44:49):
sending weird messages from the phone saying, Oh, I've met
a new girlfriend. I'm going to leave Spain, I'm getting
rid of the phone, blah blah blah. And the relative
was like, this is not like this, this is not
like this person. So reported it to the coppers investigating,
but they do nothing for months. Then last month, November,
a year later, the cops arrest the guy's actual girlfriend
and the girlfriend's new boyfriend because of Google Images. Because

(45:12):
what happened is in October this year, one month before
the arrest, the Google Images car drives down this random
little street in a tiny town of only about fifty
six people in Spain, snaps a picture of a red
car on the side of the road and there's a
guy hunched over the boot of the red car with
a white sack putting into it, which is the body,

(45:33):
So Google drives by and literally takes a picture of
the guy trying to get rid of the body. They
find the body the tulso in a nearby Hamlets cemetery.
How weird is that?

Speaker 8 (45:41):
You go?

Speaker 16 (45:42):
What is news's next?

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Demanding the answers from the decision makers? Can then Duplessy
Allen on the my casking breakfast with Bailey's real Estate,
your local experts across residential, commercial and rural news talks
head Hey on.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
That amazing news about Liam Lawson finally getting the seat
for next year in the F one. We're gonna have
a chat to Bob McMurray about it before the end
of this hour. Hither the Prime Minister should man up
and go and defend his actions up at White Tonguey.
But he will do what cowards do and just run
and hide. Shameful man, Just a coward, Jamie. Actually it's
not his actions though, as it's David Seymour's and he's
going up to defend it. So what's the problem. Twenty
three away from eight Love howth New Zealand has released

(46:24):
the first of its quarterly performance reports. It's winning with
two of the measures. It's gone backwards on to Health
New Zealand's chief executive is Marjorie Upper Morning, Marjie, So, okay,
so you're winning with the shorter days in emergency departments,
you're winning with the shorter wait times for elective elective treatment.
What's going on with the specialist appointment waiting time blowing
out like it has?

Speaker 16 (46:44):
Well, that's a real challenge because we have, of course,
it's a bit like a tank more people coming in
or being referred into specialist assessments than people being referred
and then moved on to either treatment or back to
primary care. So that is a volume challenge that we
do need to try.

Speaker 27 (47:01):
To get on top of.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Do you think it's even worse than that looks here,
because we've heard that some specialists not even adding people
to the waiting list because it's already so Choker, Well.

Speaker 16 (47:11):
That's good that maybe I'm true, because we are looking
into the GP referrals that are declined because our services
believe they don't have the capacity, and it's really important
that we do accept patients who meet the clinical criteria
for a service, and actually the capacity issue of something
we need to work on as a service.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
So why are they doing this by the way, I mean,
why not take them on, just add them to the
bottom of the list. Why say no?

Speaker 16 (47:37):
Oh, look, I think our services feel quite challenged by
taking on patients and they're not being able to offer
them certainty and where they can book an appointment. And
this is a practice set's been going on in some
hospitals for many years. So we actually want to find
some light on that properly. And look that in many cases,
if you're working with primary care to support them with

(47:57):
some more tools like diagnostics, us funding them to actually
get engaged in providing some of that specialist support, you know,
there are lots of solutions that we could look at
to try to address that.

Speaker 7 (48:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Now, the second thing that you guys are going backwards
on is the immunization rates for kids around about two
years old. What's going on here?

Speaker 16 (48:15):
Yeah, that's really stubborn and you know, we've got to
do a lot of work to get confidence back in
immunization post COVID, But there is some hope we have
a massive uplift and Patussus boosterricks to deal that at
the moment. And so we do think that if we're
our job is to get the information out tell our patients,

(48:36):
get trusted people into communities to let them know that
these vaccines are safe. You know, we know that that
that has booken into Tassas as recent as November, and
you know we need to apply that across the country.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Is this a COVID thing? Is this? Is this a
result of people not wanting you know, forcing the jab
on people during COVID, them not wanting that, them going
down the rabbit hole and now they've gone off all
jabs altogether.

Speaker 16 (48:58):
Well, it's certainly what there's some of the survey and
feed that we've had from consumer groups tell us that
there is this trust in vaccines in general because of COVID.
But you know, I need to remind people these vaccines
well proven of them. We've been using them for a
long time in our health systems. That evidence is pretty
sound and so you know that the it's really important

(49:20):
that we do rebuild that trust.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
Yeah, I mean it's not going to work saying that though,
is it? Because that's what Jasinda said about the vaccine
and then and then and then people kind of felt
the opposite about us. We probably lost them, haven't we.

Speaker 16 (49:32):
Well there are some that and and we are keeping
a close eye on the decline rates because we do
count the people who are offered a vaccine and then
have declined, and then we want to understand why, and
it varies around the country. But certainly we've also learned
and communities have told us and we who also led
us through COVID, if there's a trust person that comes
into your community, whether it's the mud, I know that

(49:53):
that as somebody who actually you know, is informed and trained,
that can be really helped. For the other opportunity we're
opening up as other people being able to vaccinatees. So
we've got pharmacies training to do. You know, there are
over two hundred now who can do a whole of
life vaccination, including under two midwives and vaccinats, but also Plunkett.

(50:15):
So we're really pleased to see Plunkett joining the vaccination
team that.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
It'll be helpful. Are you getting a break this year?

Speaker 26 (50:22):
Yes, yes i am.

Speaker 16 (50:23):
I'm looking forward to finishing work early next week.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
I feel like you deserve it, Margie, after all of
the year that you've been through. Merry Christmas and go well,
that's Marjorie Upper Health, New Zealand Commissioner. Hither the issue
with immunization rates is the funding model for providers. I
call absolute bs on that. The reason I call bs
on that is because as you know, having a baby,
Michael is going to arrive next year, you know, in
like about five weeks time. Thank god, Lord let it

(50:48):
go fast. Anyway, So when baby before baby Michael arrived,
I you know, but well recently before, in preparation of
baby Michael arriving, I got in touch with various members
of the family and I said, listen's probably been a
little wile since you had your hooping cough up. Your jab.
JAB got to get it every five years or so,
and we've got a hoop and coff epidemic going on,
So can you just go get yourself like, you know whatever.
So my mum went and got her jab a couple

(51:10):
of days ago, done the right thing. Two members of
the family, which probably means it impacts about six members
of the family are not going to get the hooping
cough jabs because they have gone all weird because of
the owner. They've gone totally lost their trust in jabs.
Will not get the hooping cough jab And the only
way around that is basically we can't see them for

(51:31):
six weeks because it's sort of like, well, you could
see them, but then you could end up with a
dead baby, and who wants that. So I don't want
baby Michael to die because because somebody in the family
didn't want to get a job. So I call base
on that. I think what's gone on? And I think
this is when you sit there and you sit in judgment,
and you go, we did the right thing, forcing people
to get the JAB and do the mandates. Just ask
yourself if it really was the right thing, because now

(51:51):
we've got a really big problem trying to givince people
that we're right when we say trust the hooping cough
jab and go and get it. The father also needs
to get it. But that's the problem. There is not
JAB resistance. It's just mail and competence, isn't it. In
terms of organizing a doctor's visit, Helen Clark Heather didn't
go to white tonguey on at least one occasion, so
it's no big deal.

Speaker 17 (52:11):
Seventeen away from it, the Vike Asking Breakfast Full Show
podcast on iHeartRadio, how ad By News.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Talks, it'd be hither your baby Michael will be a dragon? Well,
I mean that would be kind of cool, wouldn't it.
So you're weird, aren't you? Honestly?

Speaker 22 (52:31):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (52:31):
I mean that's taking, that's taken, going down. The rabbit
holds to a new level. Baby have a Potassa's jab.
Baby comes out a dragon. That's awesome.

Speaker 13 (52:39):
Here, the virus theory is a fraud.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Do your research, seat, do your own research. There we go,
there we go. Started that thing off. Anyway, I got
the jab. I'll let you know if the baby comes
out as a dragon, all perfectly fine and doesn't die
of hooping cough, which is kind of where I'm going
with this. Hopefully Mike has got an award. He's got
an award, do I want to? Okay, Well, he's got

(53:01):
an award in his absence. There is Look, I don't
know if you if you're aware of this, and I
don't recommend doing your own research on this one, but
there is a little podcast on a rival radio station,
and I think the clue is in rival radio station
called media Watch, and it's not very good. I'm not
gonna lie to you. I've listened to it from time.

(53:24):
I've stopped listening to it because it's not very good
and it's just a little bit whiney, but anyway, so
in the spirit of being whiney, they've given Mike an award.
They say they've compared him to Jack and they've said,
look good, look at how good Jack is. Jack's so awesome.
Jack does all these interviews and he's really hard on
the politicians. Mike's not like that. Mike takes a different tack.

(53:45):
Back in February, a listener asked Mike why he seemed
to give the Prime Minister an easier ride than opposition politicians,
and he replied, Mate, he hasn't done anything apart from
open some envelopes and they've exploded in his face. Let
him get his feet under the table, get a bit
of legislation passed, and then in three years time, when
he has another crack, watch me give him a hard time.
You bet I will. They say, an interesting strategy to
promise the Prime minister an easy ride for a full term,

(54:08):
but would he stick to that position or the following
month he offered lux in a reassurance, I'm feeling sorry
for you. There's a bomb going off every day, Osking
told the Prime Minister. I'm glad you feel sorry for me,
said the Prime minister back to him, and because of that,
he has got the holding power to account award from
Media Watch. Now, that would be fine if that's what

(54:28):
actually happened, But it didn't happen, did it, Because I
don't know. If you've been tuning into to Mike regularly
like the rest of the country, media Watch, you probably
should have given you the name of your podcast. He's
been tough on Luckxon, like quite tough on Luxon.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
So come on, give me a break.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
There we go see Luxon's even begging for a break
from Mike. I got an award. I got an award
because in September, I let you know that Samian Brown's
nickname is Golden Balls, because he gets everything right. Because
I was told that the caucus colleagues have called him
God Golden Balls, and I did say, I don't know
if this is true, but I'm going to tell you regardless,
because I only got told by one person, and normally
you need to stack it up with a couple of sources. Anyway,

(55:07):
when Media Watch scoured the archives and the internet, because
that's what you do if you're in caucus, you go,
you know what Samion Brown's nickname as Golden bulls, So
I'm going to put it on the internet. No, you
don't weirdos anyway. We could find no references out of
z B to the bull zy name. Yeah, because nobody
puts it out like we don't put your nicknames on
the internet. Media watch anyway. Political journalists spoken to and

(55:29):
confidence could not confirm or deny the existence of the nickname.
One said they'd never heard of it. Well, because not
listening to news talk ZB are they for listening to
media watch? We know a lot if you're listening to
media watch anyway, the Golden Balls source should reveal themselves
to end the suspicion and until them Heather, Until then
Heather gets the award for baseless rumor of the Year.
I'm going to take that. I'm going to take because
that's going to get me in with the vaccine crowd

(55:50):
as well, because I'm spreading disinformation.

Speaker 13 (55:52):
So I went anyway, So this is all big news
to me that these I was not aware that we
had a rival radio station.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
No, I wasn't aware of it. Once upon a time,
I was aware of it, but lately I thought I
didn't realize that they still existed. However, what I would
say is. I am really stoked that they are handing
out awards, which is a very very generous attitude from them,
given that awards is not something coming their way. Thick
and Fast, ten away from.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
Eight Heather dupasy Allen on the My Costing Breakfast with
the Range Rover Villa News, Tom sadb.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Hey by the way, Tim Wilson, Trisherson, they're going to
be with us after eight to wrap the newsweek, but
actually just the whole year. Why not seven away from eight? Now,
as you've heard this morning, the speculation is finally over
and Liam Lawson has been named as Red Bulls next
full time F one driver. He's going to partner with
Max Verstappen. His days being on a one hundred thousand
dollars salary as a reserve driver are over. He's going

(56:47):
to be in the big money now. Motorsport expert and
former McLaren Race member Bob McMurray is with us right now.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
Bob, Hello, good morning.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Have Where does he rate? I mean, we have had
a lot of very very high profile drivers come out
this country. Where does he rate? Is he the most
high profile?

Speaker 3 (57:04):
No?

Speaker 22 (57:04):
Well, I don't suppose he's got much of a profile
internationally at the moment, compared to the likes of Bruce
McLaren's any Holme pre sem and that sort of thing.
But he's certainly joined their ranks, hasn't he, in that
he is a Formula one driver, But he's been a
Formula one driver for eleven races. Now, of course he's
an old hand, isn't he.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
How do you reckon he's going to go when he's
racing with Maxim Stepan, because the problem is Max has
got a really weird style, doesn't he.

Speaker 22 (57:26):
Yeah, apparently he sets his car up definitely to everybody else.
But what Liam is going to have to do is
adapt completely. I mean, you know, it is great news.
It's a vindication for him, indication for his family, of
indication for news and motorsport in the way that the
motorsport ladder has got him from kating all the way
through to Formula One. Okay, he's done it himself obviously,

(57:48):
but that ladder was there and he is now at
base camp on Everest. To put it that way, he
has got a huge mountain to climb now. I mean
he's going to be expected to match or better, preferably
a full time world champion in a team that he
has molded around himself. Liam's done eleven races, so that

(58:09):
the task in front of him is massive. It's kind
of getting even bigger with all the pressure that goes on,
with the continuous interviews and why aren't you doing this right?
Why do you know? There's going to be an awful
lot thrown at him? But knowing him, knowing his family,
I think he's more than capable of coping with all that.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
What does his pay go up to?

Speaker 3 (58:33):
Do you have any idea?

Speaker 22 (58:35):
No idea that he's had. I wouldn't say with an
S on the end, No, not millions. I would say
his salary for this first year would be it's going
to be approaching a million, I would say, but you
know that's the US dollars.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 22 (58:53):
I don't know how they do their contracts. That's not bad.
I could handle that. But the one thing he's got
to do is make sure he's got the contract all
the way through the year and he stays there. Because
Red Bull have an awful habit of getting rid of
drivers when they don't like them halfway through a season.
So that's his main concern. He's not concerned about the

(59:15):
money now, just establishing his feet on the ground in
that team.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Now the hard work really starts, Bob. Thank you very
much and thanks for getting up so early for us.
Bob McMurray speaking to us out of Sydney. We woke
him up. Motors bought expert obviously former McLaren race driver
Liam is. The other thing Liam needs to brace himself
for is that he's going to cop it on social
media and probably from media watch. Actually, they're already really
angry with him. They're already blaming him for this, and

(59:39):
he's the devil incarnate. But this is just the fun
of This is the fun of F one. So this
just comes with the territory. He's given an interview to
the Time saying, not only did his parents have to
sell their house to basically fund his way through, you know,
learning how to race and stuff, but his sisters had
to give up Irish dancing so that he could be
an F one. But hey, who makes two million bucks
out of Irish answering?

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
Right? So he was.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
Baby just shot down like that, just shut down like that. Right,
We'll wrap the week next.

Speaker 11 (01:00:08):
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Speaker 29 (01:00:42):
I can juramo Barry Manilo, isn't it Clay Aiken. I
remember a Clay Akon who was on American Idol about
twenty years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
He's doing his There are five and nineteen fifties. The
album covers very nineteen fifties in Crosby like that's like
a little spacey type of things. Christmas bells are ringing,
it's called and a picture of him looking very youthful
for his age. This is Mery Christmas Darling. Obviously, Clay's
been very busy since American Idol. It didn't go I mean,

(01:01:14):
he was the runner up in season two of American
American Idol. He was a little bit famous for a
little bit and then nothing really happened. But then you
tried to run for Congress, and then he's been raising
his teenage son, which we'll have been keeping him extremely busy.
Now he's come back with a Christmas album. So if
you're like, wow, I'd love to have a bit more
play in my life. There's your answer for you.

Speaker 17 (01:01:34):
The Week in Review with two degrees Fighting for fear
for Kiwi Business.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Tim Wilson Tris Sharson with us.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
Hello you two, Hello, Harry, Christmas, Tristia.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
You on the road up north?

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
Yet I am up north?

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
You've also readly gone up north?

Speaker 10 (01:01:50):
You can I came up last night. You can probably
hear the Mama Coo swaying in the breeze.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Oh listen to you. Did you go up north because
you were expecting the traffic to be heavy today or what?

Speaker 10 (01:02:01):
No, just just the timing worked out and couldn't wait
to get up here. And you know we have fiber
to the door now so it's all going in the
Northland Regional Office.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
How good does that work?

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
I'm worried.

Speaker 25 (01:02:15):
I'm worried about the GDP of the People's Republic of
gray Lind Trish. I mean, what the heck's happening to
the cafes the wine bars while you're up north?

Speaker 10 (01:02:23):
Well, it's pretty much what adrianaw has done to the
entire economy when I leave Grayland going through the floor.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
Speaking of which, jeez, that was rough, wasn't it, Tim?
What a way to end the year.

Speaker 25 (01:02:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, worst recession since nineteen ninety one, and.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
It's so sobering.

Speaker 25 (01:02:42):
But then again, it reflects I think what people see
when they go to the supermarket, when they go to
the petrol station, and yeah, it's a tough, tough time.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Yeah, in a weird way, Tresh. Actually, I was happy
to see that figure yesterday because it bore out what
we had been feeling and it felt weird to be saying,
this is the worst experience we've had in forty years,
and then the numbers didn't back it up. To have
the numbers back it up actually kind of reaffirms you,
doesn't it.

Speaker 10 (01:03:08):
It does, and let's not underestimate that. I mean, I've
had shirts and Willis with raw for We're coming up
nineteen in April, and we've talked about this a bit
this year. You know, we went through the DFC a
few years after, we started being through a whole range
of ups and downs. But I think we've talked about

(01:03:29):
this yere. This year has been tough for everyone in business,
and not just because of this year, but it's come
off the back of you know, it's the last of
five really hard years, and every year everyone goes, oh,
we want it to be better, because that's human psychology.
So I just want to give a shout out actually
to everyone this year who is in business and you know,

(01:03:51):
I think it has been really really tough.

Speaker 25 (01:03:55):
If you're still standing. If you're still standing, hats off
to you. I mean work at a charity, and it's
tough in the charitable sector as well.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
Let me tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Yeah, listen, Trisia, if you've headed up north already, have
you had your Christmas party, had.

Speaker 10 (01:04:09):
Our Christmas lunch yesterday which was which was really nice, and.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
You did you have the Christmas lunch and then you
drove quick?

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
Well I know where you're going with this.

Speaker 10 (01:04:22):
And one of the things that's been an interesting year
in twenty twenty five for me is that I have
given away drinking forever. And not not that I will,
not that I was a huge drinker, but I just
got to the point where it just didn't suit me anymore.
And I have to say it's been I'm not doing
the big Paddy gower, you know, come to Jesus go

(01:04:43):
around the country talking about how great it's not drinking
kind of a deal. But yeah, I have really enjoyed it.
So I can drink after a work lunch.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
Drive drive?

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
How many you had already?

Speaker 11 (01:04:57):
I just did?

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
I just heard that fraudy and slept.

Speaker 11 (01:04:59):
Did you hear that?

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
Speak?

Speaker 25 (01:05:00):
A big fan of coming to Jesus? But did you
have your work lunch? Did you have your work lunch
at the Northern Club?

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
Did you? Did you get to rinse anyone while you
were there? Did that?

Speaker 10 (01:05:09):
We were more on a deck facing the ocean than
within the sort of ivy covered ivy covered balls.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Trish, I want to know about this. Why did you
give up the drinking?

Speaker 6 (01:05:19):
Was?

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
Had you did?

Speaker 27 (01:05:20):
You?

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
Were you doing an Emma Aiken? Did you do one
of those?

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
I'll tell you why.

Speaker 10 (01:05:27):
Probably for the last four or so years, I had
just felt that just physically it didn't agree with me anymore.

Speaker 28 (01:05:35):
That was really it.

Speaker 10 (01:05:36):
And I'd had some quite big times off and you know,
I'm quite a fan of of yoga, and what I
had found was it's just amazing how it kind of
gets in your joints, and you know, a couple of
drinks one night, you get into down dog the next
day and you're more like the the you know, the
tint rustic and man, you can't.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
That you need to. Really, you can't get your butt
to peak properly and get that stretch in the down
with dog that you need. What about you, Tim, How
are you going on the drinking front? Because I'm fascinated
by this because I've had to I had to go
real light on the drinking. But not because I'm pregnant. Obviously,
I don't drink at all because I'm pregnant.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
Because you're pregnant, yeah, but because.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
When you've got little kids around, it's just too hard.
You just it just it doesn't fit in your life anymore.
What about you?

Speaker 3 (01:06:23):
Yeah? Yeah, Actually, you know what, I've actually quit until
Christmas Day.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
And it's going to be a blowout.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
What what I think it's going to be. You're going
to be hosing everyone with champagne?

Speaker 25 (01:06:36):
No, No, I just I just had this, had this
moment where I thought, what happened was we had some
neighbors come over and we had three gener toalics before
six pm. And it's just not a business model or
the future when you've got young kids. So I just thought,
I'm going to give it a break. And it's not easy,
I've got to say, but I'm enjoying it. Eating a

(01:06:56):
lot more sweets.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Yeah, that's what happens.

Speaker 6 (01:06:59):
Is.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
The trouble is if you're an't drinking before dinner time,
then you start asking the two year old to put
themselves to bed, and that's really not wise at all. Right,
we'll take a break, come back to you guys shortly
Trishers and Tim Wilson fourteen past.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
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Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
You got Tim Wilson, Trishurs and Tim. How good is
that news about Liam.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
Lawson and the stuff about what his family had to
What was it? Did they mortgage their home to pay.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Back sold the house? The girls had to.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
Stop the house, the sisters had to stop the Irish dancer.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
Yeah, which is we're actually quite a weird family when
you think about it. I mean, most New Zealand families
the girls do netball and the boys do rugby. But
here we've got motors sports in Irish dancing.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
But look how it's panned out. I mean, that's well
and it's great to see.

Speaker 25 (01:07:54):
Yeah, the sort of the you know, we see the
ascent and we just we actually see people at the
top of the part me the top of the mountain,
but actually there's there's a long way up there.

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
So I was fascinated to hear about that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
Motor sports is a sport trash, but esports is not
a sport.

Speaker 10 (01:08:12):
Well, I think it is a huge professional sport if
you're into esport, But I personally see it as different
from sport as we know it, i e.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
A physical sport.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
But I'm trying to figure out why we are like
this about it is it's what's the difference?

Speaker 16 (01:08:30):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Because we expect if you're doing sport that you have
to be actually there has to be a physical challenge
involved in that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
Yeah, I think I think I think you go ahead,
go ahead, I think so.

Speaker 10 (01:08:40):
And I think that's probably in the end the decision
that High Performance Sport in New Zealand has made around
not giving funding to esports because high performance sport, you know,
they are about the kind of traditional high performance sports
that we think about like cycling and rowing and et cetera,
et cetera. And the other thing I would say about

(01:09:01):
esports is this is a billion, billion, billion dollar business globally.
There is huge money in esports around the world, and
I'm just I'm not sure that if you're comparing it
to the sports that high performance sports fund, a lot
of those sports people still have to be amateur and
tough it out and they really need that funding.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Yeah, it's a little bit. You know what I think
it is, Tim, I think that it's like tomatoes being
technically a fruit. Like you can say, technically you are
a sport, but I'm not going to put you in
my fruit salad.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
Like tomatoes are a fruit, but it's not really a fruit.

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
Yeah, exactly exactly. I would submit that esports are a competition,
they're not a.

Speaker 25 (01:09:43):
Sport, So it's a sports a bit like say poker
or Rubik's Cube Cube. I'd say beer Pong's more of
a sport than esport. And this whole, this whole, I
guess the thing too, is like the way that we
live our lives these days, we're actually quite disconnected from
our body and a lot of what we do. So
you know, we're creatures, are body, mind and soul, but

(01:10:03):
a lot of what we do is actually we don't
really use our bodies.

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
And I think, you know, trust to your point.

Speaker 25 (01:10:08):
Once you know, once you sort of start to connect,
you know, you do yoga or something you think, actually,
a lot of the stuff I'm not doing I should
be doing. So I quite like high performance Sport New
Zealand for making this decision.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
See ballsy.

Speaker 10 (01:10:21):
Okay, listen, just let you is on a very quick
little secret. Actually, speaking of tomatoes, I have the best
tomato crop.

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
Ever this year.

Speaker 10 (01:10:28):
And I'm quite a big tomato grow And let me
let me tell you. You can now buy a tomato
that's grafted onto rootstock and on one half of the
vine you get an orange cherry and the other half
you get a red cherry.

Speaker 20 (01:10:40):
So cool.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
Have you got that going on?

Speaker 25 (01:10:42):
I have got that going on.

Speaker 10 (01:10:44):
It's absolutely fantastic. And it's still not too late to
plant your tomatoes.

Speaker 24 (01:10:48):
And anyone out there is.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
Actually good point, because our tomato plant is going to plants.
Actually I've gone double this year. It's going nuts. Actually,
so maybe it's the thing in the in the in
the in the space.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Now, okay, who's your politician of the year.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
Oh yeah, look, I'm going to go I'm going to
go with Simeon Brown.

Speaker 25 (01:11:06):
Doesn't escalate, doesn't let things escalate. Stuff that counts Rhodes, potholes, etc.
But I think you know Winston geopolitical he's Doinston's a
great foreign Minister and I think geopolitics is going to
rise up in the next two or three years.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
I agree with you. I think in time we will
be grateful for Winston actually for what he's doing right now.
What do you Reckontrish?

Speaker 16 (01:11:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:11:25):
I have felt good actually with Winston as Foreign Minister.
He has the gravitask, he takes the role seriously, he
really gets it and I think he is respected and
he's put in a lot more work into our relationships.
My top performer this year is Ericas Stanford. I think
she's done fantastic things in education and it's an area

(01:11:47):
we absolutely need to get on top.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
Of in New Zealand.

Speaker 10 (01:11:51):
But I've got two others sitting underneath that, and these
are actually prizes for something we now undervalue in politics,
which is oratory and the ability to speak in the house.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
Let me guess Shane Jones is in there.

Speaker 10 (01:12:03):
And well no, Shane, Shane's great. I've got actually two
up and comers. One is a new first term MP
Cameron Brewer. If you watch Cameron. He has that old
political skill. He can stand up in the house, he
can speak on any piece of legislation that the whippers
just probably chucked it in five minutes beforehand, and he's
bringing back. I think that skill of oratory and speaking

(01:12:26):
in the house great to watch. The other one is
Hannah Rafferty mighty clark for her, she's the young Maori
politician and Maori. Her speech on the fore Court of
Parliament at the Heckoy is one of the best political
speeches I have seen.

Speaker 17 (01:12:42):
In many years?

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Was it better than her? Which actually was really cool?

Speaker 10 (01:12:49):
Well, that was actually and if I'm thinking about politics,
politics is theater. That was actually brilliant theater that everyone
around the world watched her. But her speech to that
Hackoy was it line and length, absolutely perfect, brilliant mana
from such a young person.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
I loved it.

Speaker 25 (01:13:08):
Can can I throw anccolade out one to just quickly
Chris Luson's end of the year speech this year?

Speaker 3 (01:13:14):
My goodness, it was like a comedic triumph. It was.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
It was actually good.

Speaker 8 (01:13:19):
You go.

Speaker 25 (01:13:20):
If Labor was in charge of Santa's workshop, the Elves
will be charging consultants. The sleigh would cost four billion
dollars and the reindeer would be working from home.

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
Payer speech writer, more person payrise, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
Go well, Merry Christmas to you both, trishas.

Speaker 17 (01:13:34):
And Terry Christmas Christmas everyone, Heather duplessy Ellen Pond on
Mike Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
Heather, I gave it drinking this year. The toughest part
is listening to the rubbish chat of all of those
still boozing at parties. I will one hundred percent agree
with you on that, because I have to go to
parties as a very very very sober person. At the moment,
I would have said sober as a judge, but given
the behavior of Emma Aiken at her Christmas party at
the Northern Club, I don't think we can use that
one anymore. Anyways. I go sober as a pregnant lady,

(01:14:04):
and I'll tell you what the chat. That's some shite chat,
isn't it? And you get very bored of it very quickly. Hey,
it's being reported that apparently Karmala Harris is going to
be rolling in it next minute, because apparently there are
publishers top publishers prepared to pay her as much as
twenty million US dollars for a tell all book on
what happened within the Biden White House. According to a

(01:14:27):
Karmla insider, virtually the moment that Karmla lost to Trump,
the office began pouring in from the publishing world for
her to do the definitive book on what really went
on between Joe and KRMLA. And it would be worth
it because don't tell me you wouldn't read that. I
would read it. Wouldn't you to know how long he's
been gaga, how long they've been pretending he's not gaga,

(01:14:48):
how many fights they had about the fact that he's
gaga and shouldn't be running for president, And jeez, I'd
want it to go right up to the end of
his presidency, all the way through to him pardoning Hunter
Biden and the whole bloody lot would be absolutely fascinating.
Murriold's Out of Australia's with Us next and Torri Farno
A funny little thing to tell you about Torri Farno,
who STIGs bsim.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
Wonderful last time, setting the newser gender and digging into
the issues.

Speaker 17 (01:15:18):
Heather Duflucy Ellen on the.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
Mic, asking breakfast with the range rover villa designed to
intrigue and use togs.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
That'd be oh hey, listen quickly. On the banks being
the climate police, you know how we're here in New
Zealand we've been getting pretty frustrated with the Australian banks
being the climate police and deciding what's morally right and
wrong and having a crack at our dairy farmers and stuff.
Turns out in Australia they're also not loving it. AINZ
had its big AGM yesterday, got a bit rowdy, lots
of questions from the investors about the climate policies, the

(01:15:48):
banks holding the line on it. They still say they
believe in reacting to climate change and blah blah blah.
Then what happened was one one shareholder who obviously does
think the bank should be doing the climate stuff, submitted
a resolution to force asp A and Z sorry to
only lend to companies who are doing the right thing
by the Paris Agreement. So like really narrowing it down,
I mean, like we're not going to lend to anybody

(01:16:08):
unless they're reducing their emissions. Only got support from twenty
seven percent of investors, which is the what's that like
a quarter anyway, So it just goes to show they're
not loving it. We're not loving it. Bank may may
need to rethink that also, just general unhappiness with a
Z So they're having a tough time over in Australia.
So as a result, they voted forty percent, like quite

(01:16:29):
a reasonable minority, voted against the executive pay scheme and
as a result, the outgoing chief executive has agreed to
give up some of his bonuses three point two million
dollars worth out twenty two away from.

Speaker 17 (01:16:41):
Nine International correspondence with ends and eye insurance. Peace of
mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 11 (01:16:47):
Murray Olds is with us mus Very good morning, dear Heather.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
How's your dollar looking then?

Speaker 11 (01:16:53):
Well, not flash.

Speaker 18 (01:16:54):
I'm glad I might go to America or the UK
for a holiday this Christmas. Already the expensive beers and
coffees will be even more disgracefully expensive because the Australian
dollar had a two year low against the US dollar
yesterday afternoon sixty two and a quarter US since and
the Australian shear market also got smashed, nearly lost two

(01:17:15):
percent to lunchtime yesterday and kept heading south.

Speaker 11 (01:17:19):
The big mining companies like VHP got hammered.

Speaker 18 (01:17:22):
So to the big banks A and Z you just
mentioned that lost the most two point seven percent, the
Commonwealth Bank Westpac down two point three, NAB two point one.
And this is all because the United States apparently next
year mon't have four cuts in the official interest rates
in the United States, only two now expected.

Speaker 11 (01:17:40):
And of course that old line about when America.

Speaker 18 (01:17:44):
Sneezes, Australia catches cold, it's certainly the case. We're heading
into Christmas we're expecting I mean, retailers will still do well.

Speaker 11 (01:17:53):
They I think they were.

Speaker 18 (01:17:55):
Maybe expecting to have a fair surge of retails spending
on those you know, the Black Fridays and the mad Mondays.

Speaker 11 (01:18:03):
And all the rest of it. But there will still
be a big spend. How big, We're not.

Speaker 18 (01:18:07):
One hundred percent sure yet, because cost of living is
really biting over here.

Speaker 11 (01:18:11):
I'm sure it's biting over home as.

Speaker 18 (01:18:12):
Well, and you know, at Christmas time perhaps not as
festive as has been in previous years.

Speaker 11 (01:18:18):
With one eye on the election early next year, Heather, Hey,
I see that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
These new coal mines are being extended that tay.

Speaker 18 (01:18:24):
Although they're not new, no no nos, Environment Minister Tanya Plipasek.

Speaker 11 (01:18:28):
No, hang on a second.

Speaker 18 (01:18:29):
You've just approved a green field coal mine in queens
lamb but it's not an approval.

Speaker 11 (01:18:35):
What does that mean?

Speaker 18 (01:18:36):
Look all this, I mean, look the government turning itself
inside out.

Speaker 11 (01:18:40):
We know that coal, that more coal is going to
be needed for a very long time.

Speaker 18 (01:18:45):
If we're not going to burn it here, it's certainly
going to be exported to countries that will be burning coal,
because that's you know, for those countries that will be
the most efficient, most effective and most cost effective way
of actually providing energy for their countries.

Speaker 11 (01:19:00):
But it really is, it's an.

Speaker 18 (01:19:02):
Embarrassing mess really for the government because you've got Tanya
plibask on one side, but you know, very able and
capable left wing minister from Sydney and it's you know,
it's her job to look at this, at these things.
And she's signed off on four new on four new
coal projects, but apparently nothing approved that's brand new this year.

(01:19:24):
Well that's nonsense, isn't it. And on the other side
you've got another Sydney minister, Chris Bowen, who's the Energy Minister.
He's the guy in charge of all the green energy
that's coming through. He must be pulling, you know, whatever
hair he's got left, he must be yanking out this morning.

Speaker 11 (01:19:40):
Based on his ministerial colleagues decision. It really is a mess.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
This Breakdown's musical, Raygun Breakdowns Musical, is turning into quite
the kindfuffle, isn't it?

Speaker 18 (01:19:51):
Well it is, and I mean look, yesterday, all the
news was that Raygun, the Olympic athlete who basically went
to Paris and you know, became an international viral hit
for all the wrong reasons. She didn't get a point
in the competition, so she's come home with a bit
of a name, but no gold medal. And you know,
I think a lot of people were giving us some

(01:20:14):
a lot of support because you know, being embarrassed on
the net. Well but preper anyway, there's a young stand
up comic and she thought she came up with the
idea of Raygun the musical, all the information she got
off the internet. Well, apparently Raygun's lawyers got hold of
the idea a fortnight ago that to cover their bums

(01:20:36):
they were going to sting them ten thousand dollars for
the possible costs of legal action.

Speaker 11 (01:20:41):
They wanted to get the legal costs out of the
way up.

Speaker 18 (01:20:43):
Front before it took place, if you don't mind, but anyway, look,
apparently and then Raygun because she called the lawyers in,
she was getting hammered on social media apparently overnight or
late yesterday, there's been some rapproch more put it that way,
and Raygun's saying, look, knock yourself out, steph, have your

(01:21:04):
stand up comedy show. All the money going from the
show is going to go to a women's and girls
emergency center and it's going to be one of the
headline acts apparently at the Adelaide Friends early next year.
And you know, just imagine all the tickets that are
going to be sold in the back of this publicity.
Apparently it's all friends, all made up, all kisses, all lovees,

(01:21:26):
and it's the show will go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
Oh yeah, muz, listen, Merry Christmas to you, go and
have yourself a lovely summer break. We'll see again next year.
It's Murray Old's our Australia corresponding year. So on the
ten thousand dollars. The ten thousand dollars is the thing
that is stinging Raygun. Reagan's losing a lot of fans
because of this Reaguan, so she wants the ten thousand
dollars legal fees from we mate who's running her little, tiny, tiny,

(01:21:48):
tiny little stage production. It's blown up in Reagan's face.
So Raygan's gone on social media and done a little
video defending herself.

Speaker 30 (01:21:54):
We have not sought any costs from all there. So
there's a lot of talk around. There's ten thousand dollars.
That was from really early on my day one. My
lawyers were acting on my behalf.

Speaker 20 (01:22:06):
They'd sent out letters and you know, they asked for
a response, and so the ten k would just be
my potential legal costs if we had.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
To go to court, but fortunately we didn't. I said, okay,
it was only if we had to go to court. Bs.
The letter says you will reimburse our client with legal
costs to date, which we estimate to be ten thousand dollars.
So raygana not very good at breakdancing, not very good
at fibbing. Tory Fino. Next sixteen Away from nine The Mike.

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by News
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Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
B Gee Heather from ray Gun to Torrifino. Yes, it's
that kind of a day. Okay, So Tory Fino. So
a funny thing happened with Tory yesterday. Tory goes on
with Nick and Wellington once a month and it was
it was it was that time time of the month yesterday,
and so Tory was on and they were chatting about
something which which seemed to me to be relatively innocuous.

(01:23:07):
So we chatting about the fact that Tory has got
this business advisory group in Wellington and a chap called
Mark McGinnis, who I think is a developble or something
like that. He's got anyway, he's got commercial interests. He
was he's on the business advisory group and he's left
and it appears that he's left because of it. He
doesn't agree with the Golden Mile. Nobody agrees with the
Golden Mile, and he's left because of that. And anyway,
Nick asked Tory about that, and this is what Tory said.

Speaker 31 (01:23:29):
You know, the feedback from some people is going to
be canceled the Golden Mile. That's not the most he
would preferred that it would have been held off, but
I'd rather not spect for him. Actually I probably shouldn't
have said that, And I was very open about not
doing that. The rest of the group wanted to go left,
you'd have to ask him.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
Okay, So that basically she regretted what she said, and
the question line continues for a few more minutes long.
It's just really trying to get out of this. She
shouldn't have said it, shouln't have said it, should have
said it. So anyway, it gets whatever, gets boring. It's
the same thing over and again, and they go to
a break, come back from the break.

Speaker 32 (01:24:04):
Tory's not there, Wellington Morning, Tory Fano is in the studio.
She just asked for a little bit of a time out.
She was not happy with one some of the questions
and just ask for a bit of a time out.
So we'll we'll plod on and hopefully she'll come back
and finish the out.

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
That's weird. That's weird, though, isn't it Like if you're
actually doing an interview and then you just ask for
a little bit of a mental health break during the interview.
So all up, she was out of the studio for
four and a half minutes. It was two minutes two
minutes of on airtime or thereabouts plus two and a
half minutes or thereabouts. For the break anyway. The reason
I'm telling you this is because Tory has had a
Tory has had a tough time in interviews of late.

(01:24:40):
I mean, there was the interview this year where she
said that she'd sold her car to pay her bills,
and then there was the interview where she had to
admit that she actually hadn't sold her cards to pay
her bills. And it's just been a kerfuffle, hasn't it.
But Torri also said yesterday on air that she actually
thinks she's done quite well this year and she would
rate her performances is a seven or eight out of ten.
So seven or eight, like this is a mere under pressure,

(01:25:01):
right you don't you don't. You don't take a mental
health break in the middle of an interview unless you're
feeling some serious pressure coming down on you. So seven
or eight out of ten given the context of you know,
I guess having the government called the Crown Observer Daddy
in to sit with you and babysit you, being ridiculed

(01:25:22):
by the media for being but rubbish, not being able
to get the reading cinema deal across the line, increasing
the rates by seventeen percent, having the balls to increase
the rates by sixteen percent next year. After all of that,
having the water pipes bursting, having the butt the business
is shut down all over the shop because you're doing
the road cones everywhere and then pretending that you're selling
your car to pay your bills. Despite all of that,

(01:25:42):
seven seven or eight out of ten, you can imagine
it's going to be stratispheric next to you when she's
actually doing a good job and sort of not telling
FIBs and state and ducking out during the middle of interviews,
you can imagine that that rating is going to be
through the roof, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (01:25:54):
Ten?

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
Away from nine?

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
The duplicy allent fon the my costing Breakfast with a
Vida retire in Communities News togstad be.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
Actually here there's some interviewers a pretty harsh and persistence.
So not everyone is tough enough to cope with those interviews,
which is fair, but they're not everyone's a mare. But
if you're a maage'd probably be tough enough. Hey, so
I mentioned like, this is the power of this particular
breakfast show. I hadn't realized my regular show Drive does
not have this kind of power. But the Mike Costkin
Breakfast Show has this kind of power. I just made

(01:26:24):
one comment at about I reckon quord it to eight.
I was I just I All I said was And
the husband hasn't got his hooping cough jabb yet, has
he either? Anyway? Useless man moved on. Somebody heard it.
Text him he's got an appointment for quarter past nine.
I have been harping on at the sky for days weeks.

(01:26:46):
I am nine and a half months pregnant. Well nine,
I'm gonna round it down. Be generous. I'm nine months pregnant.
I've been talking about it for nine months. Go on
the Breakfast Show, say one time sorted so anyway.

Speaker 13 (01:26:58):
Suck on that media watch that is right too right.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
Put that in there in your pipe and smoke it.
Only the legal stuff. Six away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
Trending now will Chemist Warehouse the home of big brand vitamins.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
Now, we've got some data about what we've been watching
this year. When it comes to the TV shows and
the movies, we have spent three hundred and forty million
hours watching films and TV on Sky and Neon alone.
That's not even counting Netflix, that's not even counting up
all TV. That's not even counting TV's it's just these
two three hundred and forty million hours. Top genre was drama,
which we watched sixty five million hours worth of Top

(01:27:34):
shows were Midsummer Murders and Law and Order Special Victims Unit. Surprising,
Isn't It over?

Speaker 3 (01:27:39):
On?

Speaker 2 (01:27:39):
Neon? This is where the quality happens. Yellowstone top spot,
followed by House of the Dragon, and clearly outside of
those shows, the toddlers are taking over because because in
the brackets of people who pay the bills in are
twenty five to thirty five years old, they're watching Yellowstone,
The White Lotus and then Bluey. To be fair, that'll

(01:28:04):
be the children that you're trying to occupy the children.
But when the children go to bed and you just
want to chill out, you probably sit down and just
watch it again because it's like it's entertaining without the streets,
do you know.

Speaker 8 (01:28:14):
What I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
That's what you need in your life anyways. So also
in the top ten was Poor Patrol, Harry Potter, and
Willie Wonker. When it came to movies, action was the
most popular drama. The number one movie Mission Impossible, Dead
Reckoning Part one over two hundred thousand hours of that
was watched. Comedy was the second most popular genre. I'm

(01:28:38):
surprised that people are watching Mission Impossible. I'll be honest
with you. That's on the slightly more stressful end of
the spectrum for me.

Speaker 14 (01:28:46):
Hey, well, the only thing that surprised me about it
is that I watched it and realized that I'd already
seen it in the trailer.

Speaker 13 (01:28:52):
They gave away like the end of the movie in
the trailer.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
Oh is that the movie? Is that the one where
he goes with the motorcycle right up to the killed.

Speaker 10 (01:29:01):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
I tell you what, I see that Sometimes I have
to look up in the studio just and because we've
we've got the sky on here, and they run that
trailer a lot, and it makes it immediately makes me
feel stressed out too much. For him, I'm like, I
see why he got the Navy honor, because that's a
pretty cool stunt to Paul. Now it's Christmas time, right,
so this is this is basically I think, apart from
you know, people who are still trying to rescue their

(01:29:24):
careers and organizations, most of us are going to knock
off today, aren't we. I mean, you're not gonna do Monday,
are you, because that's that's a really terrible idea. Or
Christmas Eve. Oh man, I feel for retail right now. Anyway,
most of us are gonna knock off today. So we're
all gonna head off and we're gonna have a lovely,
lovely summer. Thank you for listening, Thank you for tolerating

(01:29:44):
me in for Mike. Thank you to Sam and Glenn,
the producers here for holding my hand because let me
tell you, I've been mocking people for training wheels, but
I've ad them, haven't I. And also my regular producers
on Drive they're pretty okay as well. Enjoy your summer,
have a lovely Christmas, try and look after yourself on
the road, and we'll see you on the other side
of the beautiful ten Merry Christmas.

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
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