Full Show Podcast: 28 March 2025

On the Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show Podcast for Friday 28th of March, it’s official – Eden Park will be getting a revamp, and Auckland won't be getting a new stadium. 

Kiwi’s trust in our public institutions is eroding over time – a survey revealing it’s at its lowest point since 2022.  

Kate Hawkesby and Tim Wilson discuss Bob Geldof with Mike as they Wrap the Week. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Your source of breaking news, challenging opinion and honored facts.
The Mike Hosking Break Best with Veda, Retirement Communities, Life
Your Way News, togs Head, Been Bunny.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
And welcome today. Get another look into our health system
it tells us shock horror, it's actually tracking. Okay. Now
we've got big success for the government as well on
cutting down on consultancies spending, Insights into our sense of grievance.
Small clue, We're full of it. Gruben Stadters are Liam's
officially gaining to racing balls Timicating to the week, Richard
Arnold's Stateside, Murray Olds and Oz's elbow calls the Big
One pasking right, oh, seven past six. The most uplifting

(00:34):
part of the week for me anyway in terms of
news was the combination of Winston Peters and as very
wise words the other day on diet and work in
the release of the numbers from the Stats Department of
those who are working beyond sixty five in fact, not
just sixty five, but seventy eighty and ninety. For Peters,
who made the advice so useful, is you can argue
he's never been more relevant and more effective. Age is

(00:55):
one thing but performance is another. Take politics out of it.
He would be the match for any one in the
current political game. There would be few, if any, that
would question his work ethic, the miles he's covering, the
effort he's making and putting us back on the international map,
and he's doing so at almost eighty. The trouble with
age as we still focus on the number. Say whatever
you want about Trump, but he's a good seventy eight,
while Biden was a very poor eighty two. In fact,

(01:17):
I'm surprised that sixty five is still a thing. It
only gets attention because, of course superannuation. There's an official
attachment to the age. You get money for a so
called life of work, you can retire year old, you
get a gold card for a ferry ride. The really
upbeat aspect of all of this is that it wasn't
so long ago that age and work was an issue,
but for negative reasons, older workers will let go. They
had trouble getting new jobs. Roles for women of a

(01:39):
certain age in Hollywood became a thing. It all seems
to have been reversed, and dare I suggest it it's
been helped by the reputation, whether real or imagined that
the so called new generation aren't really that interested in working.
COVID ruined a lot of us work life balance became
a thing, work from home became a thing. Quiet quitting
became a thing. As more and more younger people moan

(02:00):
and complained and slacked off, the diligence, consistency, and institutional
knowledge of the older worker increased in value. The Winston
Peter's knowledge and experience in the Parliament is to be
seen any question time you want to look. He runs
rings around most of them, and he has purpose and
as the Asian cultures in particular will tell you ages
but a number and purpose is everything.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Who news of the world in ninety seven.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
It come as a surprise, but I told you a
bunch of Europeans we're having a big meeting about the war. Yes,
it's coalition to the Will and get together Thursday with
some good anti Russia rhetoric.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Now President Trump has rightly called them out for drugging
their feet, and we agreed here in Paris today that
it's clear the Russians are filibustering. They are playing games,
and they're playing for time and more of the same.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Except in French it's it's necessity.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
It's a necessity to avoid what is the clear project
of Russia in the last days and weeks, to pretend
to open Negotia, to discourage the adversary, and the same
time to step up attacks.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
At the start of the show, the beleague in Zelensky
grateful as.

Speaker 5 (03:07):
All based on this platform or the coalition of the willing,
as they say, we are building our future guarantees, security
guarantees for Ukraine, for the Ukraine peace.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Also in Europe, the realization that car tariffs are here,
and what to do retaliate or suck them up.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
Not at the moment of the position where we want
to do anything to escalate these traders.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Tradeables are no good for anyone.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
It sounds so much more dramatic when you said in
the music, don't you back in America where Trump was
signing it another executive order yesterday? Waxing the lyrical the
power and value of terriffs. The Pisky reporters keep asking
about signal and higgsy.

Speaker 6 (03:44):
Hegarth is doing a great job.

Speaker 7 (03:46):
He had nothing to do with this.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
Ex How do you bring Hegcath into it?

Speaker 2 (03:51):
He had nothing to look.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Look, it's all on which.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Hunt it couldn't be true. The Just Off Oil Brigade
have announced overnight they are ending direct Actor no more
so paintings blue on motorways.

Speaker 8 (04:01):
The need to have.

Speaker 9 (04:04):
A government that protects the people and serves the people
that have voted for them.

Speaker 10 (04:08):
It isn't possible to do that without disruption.

Speaker 9 (04:10):
So it's the reality that we have disrupted people, that
we have changed the conversation.

Speaker 11 (04:16):
Have you.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Finally we've got declassified documents that show the Arc of Covenant,
the container for the tablet that Moses put in the
Tenth Commandments and given to him by go Man. You
know the story. Anyway, One CIA agent Suzu was in
the Middle East and saw the Arc hidden underground in
somewhere that he described as dark and wet. He was
on what he calls Project Sunstreak at the time. What

(04:39):
was Project Sunstreak, Well, that was an experimental program where
they tried using people who claim to have psychic abilities
to convert to on these COVID missions. The reason he
didn't grab the arc was because it had powers and
breaking it open would kill them. He sounds like a
guy hangs out on signal. There's news of the world
in ninety China still not good, I'm afraid to tell you.

(05:00):
Thus your profits have dropped zero point three percent for
the first two months of the year. They've now declined
for three consecutive years. So that's China for your twelve
past six.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
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Speaker 2 (05:15):
I'd be job focus this morning. RFK is planning to
cut ten thousand Health Department jobs. Meantime, British Steel as
launching consultation. They're looking to close two blast furnaces. This
is Scunthorpe that's been going on for a while now,
twenty seven hundred jobs out of a total workforce of
thirty five hundred. So that's countage fifteen past six.

Speaker 12 (05:37):
The Money and the Things, Shiny.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Day, am My Wealth. Andrew Kellah, Good morning morning, Mike.
And jobs are going to be in focus I think
next week because tariffs mean jobs and prices and all
that other thing. So April to it is.

Speaker 13 (05:49):
A mad, crazy world, isn't it. So yeah, we had
a bit of a respite, didn't we.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
For a week or two.

Speaker 13 (05:55):
The US trade policy kind of crept out of the
headlines because because we had all sorts of other headlines,
but it's all back again. It's all on the front pages,
it's all on the news cycle because yes, we're closing
in on the second of April brings it all back
into focus again. It's the introduction of reciprocal tariffs and
other messages measures, and President Trump has described it as

(06:15):
Liberation Day. It feels a little more fluid than that,
and there are other things you.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Could call it.

Speaker 13 (06:21):
But it's still a few days out, and of course,
in the Trump Will, changes befoeen now and then are
always possible. We've seen some suggestion that the Big Bang
approach may be moderated. There's been talk of this Dirty fifteen.
These are the fifteen nations with the biggest trade imbalances
with the US, and you can count China, the EU, Vietnam, Mexico, Taiwan, Japan,

(06:43):
South Korea and others are all in there. They could
be targeted first and more than other countries. There's also
talk of moderating the level of reciprocal tariffs. But as
we have been inundated with news about the last twenty
four hours, that's been the announcement of Tariff's director the
auto industry, So you're going to Trump is going to
announce he will impose twenty five percent tariffs on foreign

(07:03):
produced cars sold in the US from April the third,
so they get a day respite from the April the second.
But importantly, Mike is going to cover finished automobiles and automotive.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Parts, except parts.

Speaker 13 (07:17):
That are compliant with the US, Mexico and Canada trade agreement.
Now the parts issues is important because people like GM,
even though they have plants in the US, they import
parts from outside the US.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Now it will be added.

Speaker 13 (07:29):
As far as I understand, on top of the proposed
twenty five percent tariff on goods from Mexico and Canada.
So there's a tarif on tariff there because there's no
exception for automotive products from Mexico and Canada. Nearly half
of all cars sold in the US in twenty twenty
four were assembled outside of the US. Mexico is the
biggest auto exporter. So you've got pickups from GM, from Toyota,

(07:53):
You've got sedans from Nissan or Nissan. You've got luxury
automobiles from BMW Audi. They come from Mexico, from Canada,
got rap falls hon the Civics. There will be affected,
so obviously hit the share prices. Last time I looked
this morning, GM was down seven percent, FOURD is down
three percent. A relative winner is Mike. Guess who who

(08:15):
would be a relative visit out of this Tesla exactly
up five percent. We won't talk about that, will trade
order Mike is being upended. We just don't have time
to talk about whether these measures will be effective in
achieving the objectives of the Trump administration. One of the
reasons there is that I think it's fair to say
some of those objectives are not very specific.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
You know, it means only spoken about in very wide terms.

Speaker 13 (08:40):
Shall we talk about how the door can swing both ways?

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Mike as well?

Speaker 13 (08:43):
Because I was going to talk about in Vidia, because
in video in Vidia is going to be hit now
in a slightly different guys, This is this issue of
them exporting processes into the Chinese market. They have this
chip called the AH twenty. China's top Economic planner, which
is the National Development and Reform Commissioner. They've introduced new

(09:05):
energy efficiency rules for these advanced chips, and it looks
like the H twenty would appear to be disqualified under
those rules. Now, in Vidie gets thirteen percent of its
revenue from China.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
So what we're seeing is this.

Speaker 13 (09:19):
We can talk about it specifically about auto's, but actually
this is going to be destabilizing across a whole range
of products.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
And so it's going to be fascinated.

Speaker 13 (09:27):
It's going to be interesting, and there's going to be
winners and losers, and we just wait and see, don't.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
We The GDP read By the way, do we get that?
Was that two point four? Was I reading?

Speaker 10 (09:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (09:38):
You're right?

Speaker 13 (09:38):
So GDP read in the US. So this is this
they've updated their estimate previously estimated at two point three.
This is for Q four of last year. It's now
two point four. So look, it's a little bit old,
but the estimate has been revised up just to sort
of give you some context.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Q three was three point one.

Speaker 13 (09:54):
Expectations for GDP are now that it will slow into
twenty twenty five. Se you now probably looking at it
being below two, somewhere between one and two. But we
have to wait until April thirtieth to get that first
official estimate of Q one US GDP.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Right, O, what are the numbers?

Speaker 13 (10:10):
Okay, So after all that, the dal Jones is down
one hundred and forty two points, about a third of
a percent forty two thousand, three hundred and twelve, the
S and P five hundred a similar vein, down about
a third of a percent five six nine two, and
about a quarter percent fall for the Nasdaq seventeen thousand,
eight hundred and fifty two there overnight, almost also sort

(10:31):
of a quarter percent fall in the forty one hundred
eight triple six, the nick A down point six percent
yesterday three seven seven nine nine. Shangha compos it was
up five the Ossie's yesterday. The ASX two hundred closed
at seven nine sixty nine, which was a point three
seven percent fall, and the SEX fifty fel point two
three of a percent. Twelve thousand, three hundred and five.

(10:54):
Kiwi dollar overnight relatively stable point five seven four to
one against the US point nine one oh seven ossiezo
point five to three one six against the Euro, point
four to four to three to one against the pound
eighty six point seventy one Japanese. The end gold has rallied,
and most all this stuff is now at three thousand
and forty nine US dollars, and bread cruids come off

(11:14):
slightly seventy three dollars and seventy four cents.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
You have the most excellent weekend. Andrew kellerher Jeremiwealth dot
co dot zski Stree Cream gave us very good news
from the New Zealand operation yesterday. Sales are up sixty
one point four two percent to fourteen point three million dollars.
My apologies, I gave you the wrong numbers. Fourteen point
three million dollars up to twenty three point one million dollars.
So that's the sixty one point four to two increase.

(11:39):
Strongest growth in wholesale because they flickered out around the
place down I got five stores in the country, but
they flickered out to all sorts of different places who
are on seldom. It equates online sales to wholesale. By
the way, one hundred and fifty two different outlets around
the country now, it equates to four and a half
doughnuts for each and every one of us each and
every year. Six twenty one, your a news talk sever.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
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Speaker 2 (12:10):
It'd be I suppose it's moderately smart. Elbow is going
to see the Governor General today to just dissolve it
all and get the five week campaign going. May three
is going to be your election date in Australia, so
this will unfold today. The reason he's doing it today
is to take the wind out of the sales of
Dutton last night, who gave the reply speech to the
budget in which he offered cheaper petrol instead of tax cuts.

(12:32):
So it's an interesting argument. He's saying, don't take the
tax cuts tax cuts and we're not going to do them.
Tax cut's worth a cup of coffee a week, but
my petrol's worth fourteen dollars a week, so that's going
to be the argument. Unfortunately, yesterday on X the Government
Elbow's Office, which they quickly deleted after four minutes, said
the government is in caretaker mode, so they sort of

(12:54):
gave it away before they did it.

Speaker 14 (12:55):
Six twenty five trending now with Chemist Wells keeping Kiwi's healthy.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
All year out. Maorie Tyler Green has had a very
fun which she was talking about m PR and PBS
public broadcasters that are having their funding count because they're
left leaning Trump haters or something like that. Anyway, the
reporter who happened to be British, which didn't help, of course,
wanted to know about signal and war talk anybody else?

Speaker 9 (13:18):
What country are you? Wait?

Speaker 6 (13:19):
What country are you from? K Okay, We don't give
a crap about your opinion and your reporting.

Speaker 15 (13:24):
Why don't you go back to your country?

Speaker 3 (13:26):
We have a major migrant problem.

Speaker 15 (13:28):
And no, no, no, no, you should care about your own borders.

Speaker 16 (13:30):
No, no, no, no.

Speaker 9 (13:32):
Let me tell you something. Do you care about people
from your country?

Speaker 15 (13:35):
What about all the women that are raped by migrants?

Speaker 1 (13:38):
No?

Speaker 9 (13:39):
Do you care?

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Okay, you're done.

Speaker 10 (13:42):
You know what.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
I don't remembers fighting for your I don't care about
your fight news.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
So smile as a whip. Marjorie, then, of course looks
for some friendly American reporters.

Speaker 9 (13:53):
Do you ever a relevant question? Yeah, this is an
American journalist.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
Thank you to hear your to what she says.

Speaker 6 (14:01):
I'm not answering her question because I don't care about
her network.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
There is, of course a Signal group chat lawsuit now
that's due to be heard any time now. The judge
in charge of that is James jeb Bosburg. Now you go, now,
do I know that name? Yes, you do. He's the
same bloke who's running the Venezuela deportation case at the moment.
They hate him as work, They hate everybody. And I
was watching Trump yesterday, this terriff thing. He is so

(14:25):
full of crap, it's unbelievable. He's talking about all the
factories being built. There are no factories being built. The
factories being built, we're already being built. There are no
new factories. There is no such thing as an American
made car. There is not a single car in America
that is made exclusively in America, not a single one
of them. And everybody knows it. And he just sits

(14:46):
there behind his desk pretending it's otherwise. It's the most
bizarre thing. Now our health system, they've done another. Anyway,
the good news is there might be some good news
in it, so we'll have some more of that after
the News, which is next.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
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Speaker 2 (15:11):
Dad be Mike. Have you seen Ella Langley? She looks
like Kate with dark hair and tats. Play you look
like you love me. I've looked her up. She didn't
look anything like Kate, Mike, I think Liam going to
Racing Bulls is a good thing. He's still driving an
F on car without having the pressure that Max brings. John,
I sort of agree with you, but I can't totally

(15:32):
because the beauty of what was in front of Liam
was he could be on a podium, he could be
winning a race, and he could be a world champion.
And those are the prospects of a red Bull driver.
The prospects of a Racing Bulls driver are he will
come eighth on a good day, thirteenth most days, and
seventeenth on a bad day. And as much as it
might be fun being an F one, I know the

(15:55):
mindset of a person who's been chasing a golder entire
life not to come thirteenth, not to be in the
second grade car, but to be a world champion. And
that is for now anyway, no longer happening. Twenty three
minutes away from seven, Richard Arnold state side signal Gate,
we'll have some more of that air to winch had
such a witch hunt. I've never seen a witch hunt

(16:16):
lake it you know more of that shortly with Richard
meantime back here we have for you this Friday morning,
yet another review of the health system. It is the
Clinical Quality and Safety Reviewed Longitudinal Data Report. Now this
examines quality and safety, patient experience and harm's data over
the past decade. The Royal New Zealand College of GP's
medical director, Luke Bradford's will this look very good morning
to you, Mike. From my first glance, we seem to

(16:38):
be doing okay. Is that fair?

Speaker 8 (16:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (16:41):
I think there are some positive things in here. Once
people actually can access care, and we're seeing decrease surgical complications,
decreased fools, and better experiences had by patients once there
in the system.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
How much are we doing not to help ourselves? I
note there's the increasing population issue, and I note there's
the increasing chronic disease issue, some of which falls on us, doesn't.

Speaker 10 (17:04):
Half the population thing is obviously government controlled. The chronic
disease somewhat. Some of it is just because we live longer.
If you live longer, you're going to get more illnesses
in general. The other thing that is in there which
is interesting is we're seeing less people choose to access care,
especially since COVID, real drop off in INDs, a real
drop off in cancer screening and I think that speaks

(17:25):
to a lack of trust in the system which is concerned.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Do you know that? How do you know that? Why
would I not come for a scan or a screen?
I mean, would it be partly? I would argue because
I think why would I bother because I know I'll
never get access to it because the cues a mile long.
Is there that something like that to it?

Speaker 10 (17:42):
It may be maybe some self filling prophecy there in
them sort of. You know, if you hear all the
time that the system doesn't work, you just choose not
to engage in it. It's really important to say with
the cancer screening, if you do get picked up with
something you are seeing quickly.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yeah, that's my assistment. I forget this report for a moment.
That's my assessment the public Health service. If you need
it badly, like really badly, it's there for you. If
you want to doabble around the edges and things that
you think would be nice if we could, but we can't.
That's where it fails, is that fear or not.

Speaker 10 (18:12):
I think it's what you'd define as badly. So we're
pretty good at urging cancers that can be managed that
some of the stuff that causes really severe pain and disability,
especially around the arthwriighters. They're not getting seen.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
And let's before you get to the regional aspect of it,
which I'm assuming is just as bad as it. It
depends on where you are.

Speaker 10 (18:28):
Basically, yeah, yeah, there is still some of that.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Do you hold out hope because here's my other observation
of public health services around the world, especially in the
Western world. They will never meet what we want and
there will always be just a level right, all the
reports you want, there will just always be a level
of disappointment.

Speaker 10 (18:46):
Yeah. I mean, it's human nature to want the very
best for you and your loved ones in terms of health,
isn't it? And it is. We can do more and more,
and it's skidding harder and harder to supply the population
for that.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Do you think within our means we are doing okay?
And does this report confirm that?

Speaker 16 (19:04):
Ah?

Speaker 10 (19:05):
I still think there's problems with access, and I think
that's really clear. If you're being referred, you've been referred
to something matters and you're not being seen for up
to a year. Same for operations, and if you can't
get in and see a GP in a first place.
Then that is a problem. We can improve those areas
good stuff.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Look, appreciate your time, Luck Bradford. Who's the Royal New
Zealand College or General Practitioners Medical Officer. I went to
see the doctor yes day. In fact, I went to
see the nurse. And I've had no problem getting to
a nurse, and I've had no problem getting to a doctor.
And I had myself yesterday. I believe it was the
first time ever an ECG. And that's it's not as
exciting as it sounds, but just I just don't get
I've never had problems getting to a doctor and ringing

(19:41):
a doctor, making an appointment with the doctor. Yes, the
doctor's away. Yes, I've had to change doctors. Yes, doctors
only seem to work two or three days a week.
But I've never actually had problem getting to a doctor.
So I don't experience this. I can't see a doctor
nineteen minutes away from seven. To ask Marco Helmet claims
one they're missing Adrian NEWI hence the car is such
as shambles, And that's true. And Adrian knew his magic's

(20:04):
going to be seen in the Aston Martinez of next year.
With all the regulations change. He also said I thought
very interestingly that putting laws to him was a quote mistake.
He was unable to cope with the pressure, which is
interesting because they were rock solid cast iron. Believing that

(20:24):
he could cope with the pressure. It's a difficult car
to drive. The racing bull is easier to handle on
very fast on the qualifying lappard and the race significantly
behind the rate of the Red Bull racing car. But
he lost confidence and pulling him in the car was
a mistake. His old brutal, old helmet isn't he'd be
fun at He'd be fun at Christmas eighteen to seven.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
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Speaker 2 (20:50):
EP and Morni Myke Bold predictions to Notea Bins during
the Japanese Weekend. Well, I hope you're wrong. We don't
wish I'll will on anybody, do we, MONTI Michael, like
I stand by Limb. I don't min if he drives taxis,
I'll support him. Well, I mean, Mike, that's not the point,
of course, we support him. He's a good bloke and
we wish him well and all of that sort of stuff.
But it's whether or not you end up on the podium,
become a champion, and truly live out your dreams. Mike

(21:10):
really might tend to agree from a pure rookie point
of view, racing bulls is probably better after a couple
of years and then upper tier. Well, I hope that works.
The path back doesn't add Red Bull anyway, doesn't seem
to exist. He may well end up somewhere else. I
think Red Bulls day is over, Mike. It's quite clear
to me that their secret source was Adedy. Knew couldn't
agree more. And I think they've lost some key people.

(21:32):
They are not competitive this year. They're in blind panic.
Not even Max can drive the car. He hasn't won
anything yet, so I think there's a lot of panic
driving these decisions at the moment.

Speaker 14 (21:41):
Fourteen to seven International correspondence with ends and eye insurance,
Peace of mind for New Zealand business, Good.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Arnald and the U United States. Morning to you. Shall
we talk about signal gait.

Speaker 16 (21:55):
Better if we were doing so? But yeah, day four
of this and what a cockup. They are still circling
the wagons hereafter this scandal over the commercial group text,
where of course Trump's national security heavyweight shared details of
a military strike in Yemen that was coming up, where
a JUNO had been added.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
To those being brief.

Speaker 16 (22:12):
Jeffrey Goldberg hearing all this on his phone as he
was sitting in his car outside the Safeway supermarket. The
White House has said these details of the attack were
not war plans and were not classified. Well, now the
Atlantic magazine, Jeffrey Goldberg has released all this stuff, and
they include things like quote twel fifteen Eastern time F
eighteen's launch first strike package thirteen forty five trigger based

(22:34):
F eighteen first stripe windows starts. Terrorist is at his
known location, so should be on time, and on and
on it goes. It was Defense Secretary Pete Heigs's, fresh
from his role as weekend Fox News co host, who
revealed all of this, and who says, now.

Speaker 13 (22:49):
There's no units, no locations, no routes, no flight paths.

Speaker 16 (22:55):
However, those faighteens targeting Yemen could only have been launched
from one place. The USS treatment in the Red Sea.
Enemies could sort that out pretty easily. Trump's Press Secretary
Kevin Levitt was asked how in heck this would not
be regarded as classified why.

Speaker 12 (23:11):
Are launch times on a mission stray classified?

Speaker 1 (23:15):
Again?

Speaker 6 (23:16):
I would defer you to the Secretary of Defense's statement
he put out this morning.

Speaker 12 (23:19):
Do you trust the Secretary of Defense who was nominated
for this role, or do you trust Jeffrey Goldberg?

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Good question.

Speaker 16 (23:27):
Trump's Attorney General Pam Bondi now is saying today there
is no need for any investigation. Former Defense secretary, from
a CIA boss, from a White House Chief of Staff,
Leon Pinedo says this was obviously classified information.

Speaker 6 (23:40):
There's no question that this was an attack plan. There
was talk of weapons, the talk of targets, timing deployment.
This is an attack plan and it should not have
been put on that kind of communication. Frankly, this is
the kind of thing that ought to be handled in
a national security console situation room.

Speaker 16 (24:01):
Uh, he says, those involves should be fired. Is this
un secured signal texting system being used for other secret stuff?
That's a question many might be asking today. The German
outlet Despiegel reports now that they had no trouble getting
emails and passwords for accounts belonging to higgsys. Inter National
Security advisor Mike Walt, who is the one who actually
added a generalist Goldberg to the text stream. Walts' account

(24:23):
of how the signal fiasco occurred is mind boggling. Here's
what he told Fox News, and then a comment from
Bailey Show comedian Ronnie Chang Whilt suggesting that while he
added the General's number to the chat, he might have
been the victim of I don't know, some sort of conspiracy.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
I'm sure everybody out there has had a contact where
you it was said one person and then a different
phone number.

Speaker 16 (24:46):
The comedian's response, No, no one's, No one's ever had
No one's ever had that.

Speaker 4 (24:56):
All right, People don't have a contact with a phone
number for like a different person unless they're having an
affair or.

Speaker 16 (25:04):
Must the deliberate leaking of other material? Is that why
he had the phone number? And he's just not saying
Donald Trump because doesn't like leaks. So Trump has been
very vague about all of this.

Speaker 5 (25:15):
Still nothing classified with shared.

Speaker 17 (25:17):
Well, that's what I've heard.

Speaker 18 (25:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 11 (25:19):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 4 (25:19):
You have to ask the various people involved.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
I really don't know.

Speaker 16 (25:22):
He really doesn't know.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
He's only the president exactly good, only, ma'am, have a
good weekend. Part of the reason and Trump is rapable about.
This is why Waltz had the journalist's number on his phone,
because the journalist was the bloke who did the story
that had Trump calling soldiers losers and circus and so
they all hate each other. By the way, yes, Lisball

(25:46):
Whistley's ball, I've ever seen as incredible as lisiball you
gav polls out seventy four percent of Americans somewhat serious
and fifty three percent of Americans think it's very serious,
no kidding.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Ten to seven, the mic asking Breakfast with Bailey's real
estate news togs dead.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Be because it turns out Liam was in a second
grade car anyway, Red Bullen was working with second grade
management as well. His path now should be to do
well with Racing Bulls and then move to another team.
Poor Yuki, who's now been the poison Chelice. That is true,
because of course you got to remember Yuki's with Hondra,
and Hondra are leaving Red bull at the end of
the season, the changing Injura manufacturers, So Yuki's dispensable. Mike.
Liam will score points and maybe a podium or two

(26:24):
with v carp No, he won't. He might score points.
I would I mean, god, I hope you're right. Imagine
if he was on a podium with VK, it wouldn't
need to be a rainy day. Something weird would need
to happen. That car is not fast enough over fifty
four or seventy two laps to get anywhere close to one,
two or three. I think he will leave RB in
twenty twenty six, got a good relationship with Adrian Newe. Well,
the problem with NUI is Aston Martin. And the problem

(26:47):
with Aston Martin is it's own by Stroll, and Stroll
likes his son, Little Lancey, and that's why lances in
the car. So as long as Lawrence is there, lances
in the car. I suppose you wait for Alonzo to
retire and maybe there's an opportunity there. I'm glad you're
immersed in the story because, as if one freak, it's

(27:07):
been fascinating this week or the last couple of weeks
to just watch the interest of broader based non f
one followers to get involved in the story.

Speaker 7 (27:16):
So you're glad about that. You don't find it annoying
that a bunch of know nothing bozos feel like they've got.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
To stick there or no, no, no, you dip your
toe in and before you know it, you're a fan. Glynn.
That's how it works. Five minutes away from seven.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
Well, the ins and the ouse. It's the biz with business, Faber,
take your business productivity to the next level.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Well, it makes a tariff business now. Trump said he
spoke to Stalantis, Ford and GM, and they're on board
and love the idea of making more cars in America,
which of course is not true. They had lobbied for
the twenty five percent tariff to be delayed because, as
I said over and over again, and anyone knows anything
about cars knows full well there's no such thing as
an American made car. There are factories in America, and
they do make some cars, but all the parts of

(27:55):
some of the parts are brought in from other countries.
They assemble the cars in America. Even American car companies
bring in parts from other parts of the world. And
everybody knows that. So the shares are not going well
this morning, although a lot of it's been baked in
because this is not today's news. Has been coming for ages.
GM's down seven percent, Forward is down a couple, Stilanta's
down one. That's all based on the idea of how

(28:16):
much they have to bring in from other countries and
what part of the car is coming in from Canada
or Mexico or Germany or France or wherever. Anyway, Tesler's
stock is up five mind you, it needs to be,
because it's taken a pound in GM has the smaller
share of cars in the States at fifty two percent.
Fifty seven percent of Stalanta's vehicles a US made seventy
eight percent of Ford vehicles a US may but once

(28:36):
again I read when you say seventy eight percent of
Ford vehicles are US made, Yes, but there are parts
within those US made cars that are made elsewhere. Meantime,
Ferrari and this is a fantastic story in itself, is
all the f set is. Well, when the tariffs come on,
what we'll do is put the price of the car
up and we're going to put the price of the

(28:57):
car up ten percent, which on some models are like that,
put us which is their SUV. That's another fifty grand,
just like that. Imagine having a brand so powerful that
you just go, woah, We'll just add fifty grand to them.
Those people, the rich people, will do it. Imagine having
a Ferrari SUV's if you're not seeing the put of Sungway,

(29:18):
it's a It's a beautiful car. It's a V twelve
with the suicide doors at the back. Very nice looking car.
It's a million dollars if you put a few bits
on it. The other one is the twelve cylindre, which
is the what do a cente? It'll be the douer
centes Celeandre, the twelve cylinder Cilindro. They're whacking that up
by ten percent as well. That's a million dollar carry.

(29:40):
I was watching Harry from Harry's garage the other day
race it round Portugal. I can't work out whether it's
a beautiful car or the biggest design mistake of the
modern era. I think I'm favoring beautiful. While we're on
the broad subject of cars, which is more interesting than
Eden Park, which seemed to be a story of some
fascination to the media today about a vote that meant

(30:01):
absolutely nothing. So we'll need to talk more about that shortly.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
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Speaker 2 (30:16):
Togstead been only seven past seven in a state of
almost bewilderment. We seem interested in what the Auckland City
Council thinks about a stadium they've got no real sayover.
But yesterday they voted to endorse the redevelopment of eden
Park as opposed to a new facility on the waterfront.
The next step in what is an astonishingly long go
nowhere kind of process is what happens next? Does the
government get involved? Eden Park's the Nix sortners with us.

Speaker 8 (30:37):
Nick morning, Good morning Mike, and thanks of your time.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
No, not at all. We had Martin Snedden on the
program yesterday. We were talking about the redevelopment of eden
Park back in twenty eleven. So twenty fifteen, nothing really
has happened. Do you think you'll be alive when someone
makes a decision.

Speaker 8 (30:51):
Well, I'd like to think so, And yesterday we welcome
the decision and acknowledge the staff that participating in a
process for over two years it was originally intended to
take three month, took two years. Our strategy and purposes
be to demonstrate that our hybrid multi purpose stadium and
adaptive for a use of Eden Park is the only
solution for Auckland and New Zealand's National Stadium.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
If they do or teck something off, what happens to
the facility that you can't do now.

Speaker 8 (31:19):
So for us, the critical element is to demonstrate that
increase utilization is part and parcel of stadium economics and
with the opening of the CURL we'll see a pipeline
of potential and for us it's to unlock a lot
of the potential that's there. So we're currently under a
number of constraints. We've got ninety seven percent support from

(31:40):
the community. So part of this process has been able
to demonstrate that we have got the support of the
community and local businesses. We understand the economic benefits of
major events and we've got a proven track record the
last five years. We've seen seventy percent of our revenue
and activity not being part of our business model only
five years ago, and we know we need to evolve
and this is the next step.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Do you have any sense at all of whether the
central government is remotely interested.

Speaker 8 (32:05):
Well, I'm very confident in the conversations that we can
have and we're not looking for new money. What we're
looking for is for government to be more efficient with
existing money. And with the pipeline of content including the
Cricket World Cup in twenty twenty eight, this is a
once in a lifetime opportunity to actually draw a line
in the sand and make a decision adaptive or a

(32:25):
use of Eden Park with a staged approach. The first
stage been one hundred and ten million. I understand that
everyone's doing it tough, but I'm confident there is opportunities
for savings and reinvestment in our national stadium.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Good stuff, Nick, Nice to talk to your next st
Eden Park CEO. Nine minutes past seven, tasking I'm still
here in twenty five years, we'll do the interview again
where nothing's changed. Some very good news from the government
on the crackdown on consultancy spending though so they're looking
to save eight hundred million dollars over a couple of years,
being they've done at four hundred million dollars a year.
Numbers out yesterday they've been successful. Finance Minister Nikola Willis,
good morning, Good morning man. I watched you with Collins

(32:59):
in the house yesterday. She's seem proud as punch with
these numbers, as indeed she should be, shouldn't she.

Speaker 9 (33:03):
Indeed we've over delivered, and this is an area where
there's no doubt money was being wasted, taxpayers money, and
that money is now going to much better purposes, including
into the back pockets of kiwi's dealing with a pretty
high cost of living.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
How are you doing? How are you doing that? So
is this four hundred million eight hundred eventually is that
going to be spent or is it going to be
to retire debt or what?

Speaker 9 (33:26):
Well, this was part of our plan at the last
budget to help fund tax relief without having to borrow
for that tax relief. So by delivering these savings, we've
been able to, for example, deliver the Family Boost policy,
which is giving family support with their early childhood education costs.
So by reducing waste we'll spending in one pace of

(33:47):
place of the government, we've been able to make sure
that kiwis can hang on to a bit more of
what they earn.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Good result, What literally was the money spent on? Because
it's easy to lose jobs and it's easy to cut spending.
But the counter argument on the unions and such is
that stuff isn't being done anymore. What was eight hundred
million dollars being spent on.

Speaker 9 (34:07):
Well, in my opinion, a lot of it was being
spent on reports by very expensive firms that then sat
on shelves and gathered a little bit of dust. I
think we had developed a culture in the public service
where if you wanted to get someone to say that
your idea was a good idea, send it to a consultant,
put the stamp on. If you wanted to get someone

(34:29):
to give you some graphs and some numbers, send it
to a consultant, get them to do a PowerPoint set
of slides for the minister. And it had become so
endemic that the money being spent had just sawed up
quite dramatically to more than a billion dollars. And the
minute that we came in and said, ah, not happening anymore,
those numbers drove down quickly. Are still catch public servants

(34:52):
any every now and then sort of out of the
old habit saying oh, we'll get a consultant's report. But
ultimately public servants are capable. They can the stuff themselves,
and that costs the taxpayer a lot less.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Judith Colin says, there's more weathers came from. How much
more do you reckon?

Speaker 8 (35:09):
Well?

Speaker 9 (35:10):
I think that the public service itself is going to
get a lot better at using digital tools and new
technology to deliver a lot of the work it does.
And then over time that's going to free out more
money in their budgets for the frontline services that we're
wanting them to focus on. But with the consultants, we
haven't set a target beyond where we are now. That's

(35:33):
something I'm thinking about because I've found the targets that
we put in place in our first year were really
useful in driving these numbers down. So I'm sure that
that's something that Judith will look at.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Now, is it Sunday you're making the supermarket's announcement or
Saturday Sunday? Okay, Sunday because I've got the Warriors Sunday.
Is this worth it or not?

Speaker 9 (35:54):
Well, what I'm announcing, Mike, is the next steps that
the government is taking to push grocery competition. Long we
want Kiwis to get fear of prices at the checkout.
We're convinced by the case that says it's not a
very competitive market here. In fact, it's one of the
least competitive in the world. And when you don't have
good competition, consumers don't get the best steel, So you're

(36:15):
a call. A month ago, I said, look, I want
someone else to come to this market. Let's look at
what the regulatory burdens are. I've now gone back to
Cabnet and on Sunday, I'm going to announce where we've
got to.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
He so those are specifics. You're not toying with me here,
these are specifics. Something tangible will happen out of your
announcement Sunday.

Speaker 9 (36:33):
Well, I'll announce where we've got to So what I've
gained from going out to the market and saying what
are you interested in? And then I'm going to announce
where we're going next. There's two things I need to
achieve here, Mike. One is sure patient, sorry not patients
in this case, there's offers have been waiting for a
long time for progress on this one. On the other hand,

(36:56):
when you're dealing with a two and a half billion
dollar market, if you don't want to move so fast
that you're not moving with care and consideration. So I'm
going to announce what the next steps are, what progress
we've made, and what progress New Zealanders can expect over
the next six months.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
I hope it's good. Appreciate it. Nikola Willis, Finance Minister, fourteen
past sevens. I totally agree about dipping your towe into
F one. I never followed it till now now I
am obsessed. Mike Liam being demoted won't ruin his career.
Gasly went on to his first podium after returning to Torrerosso,
and then one a year later at Monza. Elbons rebuilt
himself at William's not Unfair Points fourteen past.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
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Speaker 2 (37:38):
Talks at b By the Way, Andrew Benson, Who's the
BBC's formula one man is with us after seven thirty
this morning seventeen pasted. Over the past quarter century, Acumen
have measured our trust in business, NGOs, the government, the media.
First time New Zealand's fallen into the distrust category. Business
most trusted of all the institutions, but it has had
the most significant decline this past year our sense of grievance.

(38:00):
There's also six percent higher than the global average. What's
all this mean, Acumen? CEO Adele Keeley's with us Adele Morning.

Speaker 15 (38:06):
Good Morning Mike.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Sixty seven percent of us have expressed a moderate or
high sense of grievances? Is that an extraordinary number. It
strikes me that two thirds of New Zealand is carry
a grievance is not healthy?

Speaker 15 (38:17):
Yeah, I think it is. I think when we think
about grievance, it's the sense of things are unfair and
the system is stacked against us. And when we think
about people, that's people's employees, customers, people in the community.
And I think what's really driving this is a lack
of optimism. So the research also shows that only nineteen
percent of New Zealanders thinks the next generation is going

(38:40):
to be better off in five years time. There's also
people are navigating misin disinformation post pandemic, and there's also
a sense that there's a high degree of cynicism in
New Zealand around business and government leaders, whether they are
intentionally misleading us or not.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Does it worry you because it might be other work
I read this week, or it could have been yours.
But this business where we believe that the politicians and
the media actively lie to us. Now, it's one thing
to go yeah, and I don't really trust somebody, but
to accuse somebody of actively lying to you is next level,
isn't it.

Speaker 15 (39:12):
I agree with you, Mike. The research says mislead or exaggerate.
So since we've been doing this research, we know that
New Zealanders do have a healthy sense cynicism. But I
do think it's a real concern that people aren't trusting
our leaders. What we do see there though, where there's
a proximity and a relationship, So you may not trust

(39:32):
CEOs in general, but you trust my CEO or my employer.
That's where the opportunity lies.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
I think are we an outlier in terms of our
grievance and hate and distrust and all of that.

Speaker 15 (39:42):
No, we're not. Unfortunately, it's a worldwide trend and in
fact the highest levels that those that feel the highest
level of discrimination are actually white Americans. But I think
that a lot of people will be surprised to see
that level of grievance am on New Zealand. We like
to think that we're kind of a more fair and
inclusive society. So it feels like we're a fork in

(40:03):
the road here. We can see the trajectory and other
nations with the direction of travel where we could be going.
And I think for a lot of us that's that's
not where we want to head.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Adele, appreciate your insight very much. Adele Keeley, who's the
acumen CEO of white Americans. That's how you win an election,
of course, that's how it works. COVID changed everything. In
my humble opinion, I thought there was a there was
a bubbling, underlying sort of vibe, and then COVID changed
everything and we've never been the same since. Mike Ir
was fortunate enough to interview Liam several times as a
reporter of the Sky TV. He is an amazing young talent.

(40:34):
I never wanted him to go to Red Bulls and
they never treat the number two drive as well. Racing
balls will help his career. He is a world champion
in the making. I believe he will get there. He
needs to do this year and look to move on
to a better team in the next couple of years.
You haven't given your name, but I appreciate it very much.
Everyone who's ever met Lee, and including myself, feels the
same way.

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(42:02):
current offirs. That's as popular as the searchers for one
last time after seventy years at lasto RMA this week seven.
So it is dry, but it's important. All that is
wrong with it partially tells the story of the stagnation
of this country. If the reforms work, we are free
at last, or at least on an easier path. Are
the Commonwealth seven? Trump wants to join America wants to
join the Commonwealth. I mean that's a group going place.

(42:23):
Is clearly signal one, a very good sign of how
mad and dop that lot are a platform they shouldn't
have even been on a denial that got blown out
of the water an attack campaign that made them look pathetic.
Are the Warriors seven? Not just two winds in a row,
but two very good winds in a row and a
third on Sunday with the Tigers. Liam Lawson too. Yes

(42:44):
it's sport and yes it's tough, but this is at
the hard end of hard calls, that line between dream
lived and dream shatterday Fungaray Council one, wat Wat God
hang up onto the ride wasted any amount of time
arguing about it, went to court with no money, no
budget lost, got pasted by the judge. Awesome work, guys.
Lindsey McKenzie six, Wellington's Crown Observer who thinks the local

(43:05):
body law should be changed till we get better qualified
people to represent us. Give that man a medal. Talmoth
Paul too. Yes, the Greens are nuts, but Labour want
to run the country with them. Think about it. Housing
affordability eight twenty percent more affordable than this time last year.
Seize the day three betties for everyone, Cherry seven A

(43:26):
record season? Is there anyone who doesn't grow stuff that
hasn't had a record season? The Australian budget four blatant
bribery with money they didn't have. Is it old fashioned
of me? Too long for proper leadership, economic discipline, core
values and straight up and down honesty? I mean really,
Winston Peter's.

Speaker 8 (43:41):
Eight Mister Hoskins quote my words.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
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pad skiing Like. I think the one thing we forget
about the whole Liam laws and Son is that he's
still got a full time drive. You may feel like
a demo, but at the end of the day, he's

(44:05):
one of twenty people driving a Formula one car and
that's effing amazing. You obviously missed what I said before. Yes,
all of that's true, but you want to be the best.
You want to be at the top. You want to
chase your dream, so to be an F one driver.
So there are several steps along the way out there. One,
you want to get into F one. So that's been
the big amazing story for Liam. He's in the F one, fantastic,
got a full time drive, brilliant. Next step is you

(44:27):
want to be on a winning team. You want to
get a podium. After you get a podium, you want
to win a race. After you win a race, you
want to win a championship. That's what you're chasing. There's
no point in driving for Sourba for ten years collecting
a million and a half dollars. Yes, you've got a
place in Monaco, but coming fifteenth every weekend you turn
up knowing you will never win. That's got to be
debilitating for a person who's driven to success. Mike willis

(44:50):
better not be helping any foreign own supermarket with taxpayer
money to set up here because profits would just go off.
Sure ty Ty ho Son. What sh'll be announcing is
some the facilities. I fear the announcement's going to be disappointing.
She's not announcing a third player, but she will be
announcing what the government can tangibly do to help a
major player come in access to land rules, regulations. Some

(45:15):
of the hurdles you might have faced previously not necessarily
the case anymore. So there will be something tangible, but
it won't be the slam dunk that some people think
it might be. Mike, can you tell me if the
listener is a reliable source of a political info? Peace, Liz,
stop asking ridiculous questions news for you. Next.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
New Zealand's voice of reason is Mike the mic asking
breakfast with Vita, Retirement communities, Life your Way news.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Togs Head be sorry, know nothing about it and have
been considering it it a source of reliable info. Liz
text back up to the question about the listener it's
interesting that don't never apologize, Liz. We're here to help.
But the Listener's been around how long? One hundred and
twenty seven years something like that. The Listener is a
very well known left leaning organ of Gordon Campbell. Who

(46:08):
else can I think of? Steve Brawny s used to
write for them. What's his name, Trotter. He's in there,
Chris Trotter. It's that sort of place. If you worked
for Radio New Zealand or the Ministry of Internal Affairs,
you'd have a subscription. By the way, Trump has pulled

(46:28):
Stephani's nomination to be the US ambassador to the UN
Razethan margin and the House didn't want to take the risks,
so he's asked her to stay in Congress twenty ten
minutes away from make Timmy Katie. After it being a Friday, Well,
what a miserable week for Lliam Lawson, A dream shattered
as the news officially was released, as you well know, overnight,

(46:50):
Lawson to racing Wilsonota to the top team. Of course,
Kristen Hornet called it a sporting decision and they had
a duty of care to protect and develop laws in
the BBC formula and correspondent Andrew bensonce back, Well, there's Andrew,
morning to you morning. This has been a you know,
as you would understand, a mess of story in this
part of the world. How it seems to me to
be global as well. Has it been a big deal
where you are?

Speaker 19 (47:11):
Yeah, pretty massive everywhere. Actually, it's quite an extraordinary turn
of events, doesn't it. Give a guy a chance three
months ago, give him two races, and then flick him
for the guy you thought wasn't good enough when you
gave him the drive in the first place. So I
think most of them one is like what.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Yeah, when you put it, When you put it like that,
they almost seem a nipped, are they.

Speaker 19 (47:32):
Well it's not for me to say, is it. But
certainly lots of people are asking serious questions about this.
It goes right back to well even perhaps before, but
certainly right back to last spring when serge of Perez's
performances were beginning to tail off again for the second
year running, and yet Red blul gave him a new
two year contract at the end of twenty twenty six.

(47:52):
Then he had a really bad season. They paid him
off at the end of the year, put Lawson in
even though, you know, he's only done eleven Grand Prix
before he started this season, and Sonoda, who was his
teammates at Racing Bulls or RB as it was called
last year, had done four seasons. Now they were pretty
evenly matched, but on most metrics Snoda probably just about

(48:12):
edged it against Lawson in their time together. But still
they picked Lawson because they thought he was the guy
with the best potential. They didn't trust Snoda in terms
of mentality resilience going up against Max de Stappen and
the senior team and two races in you know before
Lawson's even driven on a track that he knows. You know,
this weekend next weekend in Japan is the first track

(48:35):
that he's been to before. Out of these races at
the start of the year, they've got rid of him. Now,
Lawson obviously didn't have a very good start of the season,
there's no question about that, but you really have to
question if he was if he was the right guy
in December should assume a bit more chats.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Yeah, I know that helmet. Mike this morning said it
was a mistake and he hasn't handled it mentally and
that they couldn't have talked up as mental stability more
at the time. This duty of care that Horner's running
this morning is for a really cutthroat team. Do we
believe that. I mean, on one hand, you talk us
about peerios and you're right, they wanted to give them surety,

(49:10):
to give them confidence that look good. And then the
next thing, this second I can't work out what they're about.

Speaker 19 (49:16):
Well, I think it smacks a little bit of trying
to dress it up as best they can. You know,
this is not a duty of care, is it, by
any stretch of the imagination getting rid of someone after
two races. The duty of care is to give him
chance to try and perform a bit better. Put your
arm around his shoulder, talk to him about what's going wrong.
I mean, from Lawson's point of view, Actually, I don't
think this is all negative. You know, there are other

(49:38):
drivers who Red Bull have rejected and have rebuilt their careers.

Speaker 8 (49:42):
Look at Alis Alban.

Speaker 19 (49:43):
Who's now Williams and very well respected in one one
Pierre Gasly who's gone to Alpine earning lots of money
as their kind of lead driver at the moment. So
I think if Lawson deals with this with a positive mindset,
he can go back to racing balls, he can perform strongly.
I think he probably needs to get out of the
Red Bull driver fold as soon as he can. But
if he performs strongly at racing bulls, he's got every

(50:04):
chance of doing that, and he could still have a
long and successful Formula One career.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
They're making a little bit of Tho's Mex for Stepens
liked an Instagram post from Guido Vandergarde saying that he
was bullied out. The fact that mex has liked the
post has been seen as mechs being unhappy again. How
much weight do you place on mex is unhappy and
eventually will end up somewhere else.

Speaker 19 (50:24):
Well, it's very interesting that post because the Stapan is
not the only Formula One driver who's liked it. So
is Oscar Piastre, So is Niko Holdenberg, so has Pierre Gasley.
That's four out of twenty Formula one drivers, or four
out of the other nineteen, if you like, who have
kind of what appears to be expressed their displeasure with

(50:45):
the way Red Bull have behaved. I don't think we
should presume what the Stappan thinks until we've spoken to him.
In a week's time in Japan. But I have heard
on a grape vine. I mean, he was making it
pretty clear at the weekend in China that he he
didn't think it was the driver's fault in the second
Red Bull. He was you know, he thinks the car
is what's that the problem is? You know, he thinks

(51:06):
it's the fourth fastest car on the grid. So I
think there are a lot of questions that need to
be addressed at the team, not just about their driver's choices.
You know, they've lost arian Nui, the the you know,
the design guru who's gone to ask them Martin, they're
not They've apparently lost competitiveness relatively over the over the winter.
So what's going on there? And if the cars are

(51:26):
this difficult to drive? We know that the staffen's a genius.
Is Sonoda going to do any better than laws? And
these are all interesting questions.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Yeah, exactly, I'm interested in Andrew and you're taking Liam
from from the outside, and obviously we're obsised about him.
He's a not he's a likable guy. Yes, he's skilled,
because he wouldn't be an if one, But what's your
view of him as a driver.

Speaker 19 (51:45):
Well, until this, until this certain turn of events, he
was he'd looked like a very decent Formula One driver.
You know, he acquitted himself well and those eleven Grand
Prix spread over the two seats. The two previous seasons,
he'd been aggressive and bust you know, racing wheel to
wield with the likes of Fernando Alonso last year and Perez,
you know, not making any friends. But thental Moren drivers

(52:08):
aren't out to make friends. He seems like a very
personable guy when you meet him, but to be honest
with you, the last two races in Australia and China,
he's looked like a rabbit caught in the headlights. He's
looked like someone who was really struggling, couldn't get his
head around why it wasn't working with the car quite
how the car was so difficult. It did look like

(52:28):
he was struggling. I have to say, you know, you
would catch glimpses of him while he was waiting to
be interviewed on camera, for example, and he just looked,
you know, looked like it looked completely shell shocked. Things
like that. But you know, I'm sure he'll be able
to bounce back. From this. Certainly people hope so, but
he needs to think about it positively. It's very hard

(52:49):
to think about that. Now. You can see how he
must be thinking. All his dreams have been shattered. But
as long as he thinks positively, he thinks right, I'm
going to go out there, I'm going to prove them wrong.
He can still he can still.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Good on Andrew Knights to catch Uppreciated very much, Andrew Benson,
who's with the BBC's Formula One correspondent, next race this
coming weekend week in of course, Japan, sixteen to two.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
The Mike Hosking Breakfast a full show podcast on iHeartRadio
powered by News Talks at be.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Mike Snoda's got ties with Honda. I heard he's the
son of a Honda owner. I don't but I don't
think that's true. He's definitely got ties to Honda. Honda
sponsored him right from the very first days in racing.
They pay millions of dollars to Red Bull to have
them in a car, and that's why they've paid twenty
million dollars to get them into the Red Bull. But
that's not unusual. And if one, money comes with drivers,
and drivers come with money it's what made sort of
laws and slightly different in the sense he wasn't a

(53:41):
Mazapin if you remember the name Masapin. A couple of
years ago, he was tied to a Russian oligarch. When
the war broke out, they had to be jettisoned out
of the business. Stroll is the son of Lawrence Stroll,
who owns Aston Martin. There are plenty of people with
plenty of money who aren't there. You talk about the
twenty best drivers in the world, there aren't the twenty
best drivers in the world. It's probably about sixteen of
the best drivers in the world, and the other four

(54:01):
are there for other reasons. Someone like Lewis Hamilton's genuine genius,
and Alonzo's a genuine genius, and Leclaire is brilliant, and
Norris and Piastre are brilliant, and Lawsons brilliant, but some
of the others are slightly nefarious in their connections. Mike,
I know absolutely nothing about the car racing, but I'm
fascinated by what's happening with Liam. I often feel when
young people who are extremely good at sport, for example gymnastics,

(54:24):
miss out on very important part of what is normal
development from children into teenage years, so much pressure and expectation.
I couldn't disagree with you more. I know what you're saying,
and I get it. And there'll be any number of
young people in Hollywood that went through the Disney program
and were Mouseketeers that turned out to be complete and
out of basket cases in later life, and that process

(54:44):
seems to be a problem. But the idea of sport,
what I've learned as a parent of five over the
years is one, don't take your kid to every sport
they want to try. Big, big mistake. All it is
is hours and miles in a car, go nowhere, and
you're probably and you'll hate me for saying this, You're
probably better off going This is not going to happen

(55:06):
for you. I'm going to the Olympics. I'm going to
win a medal, I'm going to be a world record holder.
I'm going to play in the NBA. I'm going to
play in the NFL. Chances are no, you're not. But
every now and again, a motor racing is a very
good example of this. When kids start young, and there's
nothing wrong with putting a kid in a go kart.
You see it, and you go there's something there, and

(55:29):
you would be remiss as a parent not to explore
that to its maximum or nth degree, because you don't
want to be a parent who then goes what if?
And so I support Liam's parents and all the other
parents like it who have let their kids live their
dream and to a degree still living a dream.

Speaker 12 (55:48):
You when you could say I could be that influencer,
I could be one of the most important people in
the world, like Andrew Tate.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
You well, first of all, you failed as a parent immediately,
so you give yourself an upper cut on that normally
have to do a say no, you can't. Nine minutes
away from eight the.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
My Hosking Breakfast with a Vita Retirement Communities News togs Head.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Be how much of Lawson is Marco v Horner. That's
a very good question, well done. Six minutes. I don't
know the answer, but it's a very good question. Six
minutes away from it's been a good week for New
Zealand wine with the news. When it comes to America,
New Zealand's the only country to increase imports again, Data
Bank stats. This is sixteenth year in a row that
we've gone growth on growth on growth, on growth, on
growth anyway, and Vivo Wine founded. Tim Lightborne's back with us. Tim,

(56:29):
very good morning to you.

Speaker 10 (56:31):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Why are you in America? You sound like you're here in.

Speaker 11 (56:34):
New Zealand this time. Just came back about two weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Good the level of penetration in America, you know, a
country of three hundred and twenty thirty million people. Are
you just New York or Los Angeles? Are we sort
of infiltrating Kansas and Delaware?

Speaker 10 (56:48):
Ye?

Speaker 11 (56:49):
No, we're definitely intertrating a number of states. So if
we look at Florida, for example, we're pretty huge over there.
But yeah, right around the country actually, so not just
New York or California.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
What's the room do you reckon for growth?

Speaker 11 (57:00):
But we're only three point six of the market, so
you know, if we can double that, it's pretty interesting
for us. Save on blanc, our major export is number
three rietals, so we're still only half the size of
Chardonnay for example, Sir, there's big opportunities.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
And so because we don't do much chardona in this country,
does that hold us back? If Chardona is the number
one tipple?

Speaker 11 (57:19):
Now, look, we track thirty six different grape for ittls
and Sevion Blanc is the only one in great So
you know, if you keep pumping Savignon, it's a big opportunity.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Do you reckon that? Everarens I've been asking this question
for twenty five, if not thirty years. At some point
the servin Yon Blanc bubble bursts, do you reckon it?
Does not as far as I can see it.

Speaker 11 (57:38):
I met a lot of buyers last month, and you know,
when you walk into that room, they're all sort of
you know, we're like a breath of fresh air, fresh
air for New Jelender.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Well, can you ask a lot and what about price?
How do we handle on price? And we up we're
at the top end, don't we.

Speaker 11 (57:52):
Ish, Well, we're about fifteen to twenty, which is seen
as premium over there.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Okay, and is that growing? So do we sell more
or do we sell the same with more money?

Speaker 11 (58:03):
That category is still growing, which is good for New Zealand.
So if we just sort of keep pumping that fifteen
to twenty and not sort of drop it down to
that below fifteen, keep going.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Well, what's your vibe on tariffs?

Speaker 11 (58:14):
We just don't know at the moment. So it's hard
to plan for. What we do know is in twenty
nineteen is a twenty five percent tariffrom France, Spain and Germany.
And that didn't destroy the industry. So no, you know,
we'll see what We'll see what happens.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
See my theory. Tell me if I'm naive my argument,
it's something like wine. At the top end of wine,
you could put a little bit of something on the
price a dollar and people would still buy it because
they seek it out, they like it. Is that fair
or not? Yeah? I think so.

Speaker 11 (58:42):
And if again, if we look back in what happened
twenty nineteen, there was a slight price increase and it
was absorbed. They stop, people still keep buying.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Interesting. Hey, you know Graham Norton's in the country, don't you.

Speaker 7 (58:53):
Yeah, we did.

Speaker 11 (58:54):
We actually had him in Marlbury yesterday. We're picking grapes
with them. He was tasting juice. He was having a
great time there.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
You good. Nice to catch up with the Tim Tim Lightbourn,
who is the Vibo wine founder. Tie up of course
with Graham Norton, who happens to be here. But as
I mentioned with then, and I'm glad to hear that
theory of mine could be correct because, as I mentioned
earlier on the program, Ferrari are simply increasing the price
of their cars by ten percent and so don't worry
about the tariffs. The people who buy Ferrari's have got

(59:19):
another ten percent and we'll just whack that on the
top and Bob's your uncle. As simple as that news
for you in a couple of moments. Then we'll do
the week with Tim and Kay Murray olds by the way,
elbows off to the Jigi. The elections on. It's the
early part of May. The budget's been held this week.
Dutton had his reply last night. He's going with cheaper petrol.
Labor's going with a cup of coffee, So coffy v petrol.

(59:43):
That's your decision in Australia. It is election type. So
Murray on that later news is next day.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
Make ho been fateful, engaging and vital. The mic asking
breakfast with the range Rover vi La designed to intrigue
and use togs that'd be Mike is.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Disappointing as laws and news this you could spend some
effort and time getting snooker back on the television would
be appreciated. Have you Ronnio Selbem let me come back
to Roneo Sullivan for a couple of months. Very good
point about the snooker.

Speaker 10 (01:00:22):
Who's this.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
The Diggin Blue? They're back with the Great Western Road.
I don't know. I assume it's a Scottish row because
they're Scottish. It's been five years since they released their
chart topping City of Love and the smash signal Dignity
a single Dignity. This new album, this is very bland.

(01:00:52):
It's got a very bland fun.

Speaker 7 (01:00:56):
Sometimes you just want a little bit of pop, you.

Speaker 12 (01:01:01):
Know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
It's about Yeah, it's about accepting responsibility for one's choices
and doing so embracing the freedom. There are twelve tracks,
and that totals up to forty six minutes and forty
seconds worth of Deacon Blue.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
The Week in Review with two degrees fighting for fear
for Kiwi Business.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Tom Wilson's Willers along with kay Hawks me good morning
you too, good morning.

Speaker 17 (01:01:29):
I'm just mike. If we're all going to start setting
fire to our red bullcans like people sit fire the Teasels's.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
I've decided Christian.

Speaker 17 (01:01:38):
Horner is the most unlikable. He's even more unlikable than
Megan Markle, and that for me is so distasteful, isn't it.
I have felt sick all week for Liam and I
loved your correspondent from the BBC earlier, you know, put
a really positive spin on it, that Liam's got to
stay positive and I do believe that. But what a massive, psychological,

(01:01:58):
incredibly tough blow this must have been for a twenty
three year old kid.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
I just I feel sick for Do you know what
I like about that? And because you represent what I've
what I've felt this week is that no one this
whole country has been invested in this one story. So
all I do is bang on about if One and
people going on about and suddenly we've bought. We're all
f one fans this week, and so the sport has
benefited from people's interest and we will at least some

(01:02:26):
people will hang around for the Liam story and that
and that is the power of an individual from New
Zealand who gets to the elite of elite, and that
what's brilliant about the story is that if One is
the elite. It's not like any other sport. It's the
biggest sport in the world and it's right up there
with the NBA and Major League Baseball and football and

(01:02:46):
stuff like that, and we're a part of it. Can
you shut that dog up? How hard can it be?

Speaker 12 (01:02:50):
And Doggie loves it?

Speaker 17 (01:02:51):
But I do think also that, Yeah, I mean, we
might be fans of F one, but I think what
we're fans of was lead Laws is what we're fans of.

Speaker 12 (01:02:59):
And can I just ask a question though, like Red
Bull and known for prioritizing immediate results rather than sort
of long term stuff like this.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
Not like this.

Speaker 12 (01:03:11):
This is an extreme version of it, And we don't
have all the information, Like, we don't know what's happening
internally obviously, but it just seems that, you know, if
you go out to dinner with the devil, you're going
to get stuck with the bill at some point. So
I imagine that Liam, being a smart young man, what
in fact did this in a bit?

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Yeah, I don't think it's a good point. I don't
think it'll ruin him. He's still an F one. I
get all of that. But you know, all I can
imagine is that he, of all the people who had
been promoted into F one, was at the right end.
He was at the he was at the I could
be a world champion. I can win a race, I
can get cups and prizes and earn millions. He was
at that end. He wasn't just at the back with

(01:03:50):
Sourburn all the other losers. He was at he was
he was at the party. And then that so quickly
got snatched away.

Speaker 12 (01:03:58):
Talent always rises hell come well.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
One would hope, so one would.

Speaker 17 (01:04:03):
I just hope you can get his confidence back, because
you could just see in his face he just he
was trying so hard to be a team player.

Speaker 9 (01:04:09):
He did.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
He looks see what do you do? So two questions
for you, Katie, because you're good at this. So first
of all, do you like Helmet Marco or not? So
Helmet Marco comes out this morning like Helmet Marco does
and goes it was a mistake and he wasn't. He
lost his confidence. Now that's brutal, but it's true. So
do you like that or not? And then second question,
what do you do as a parent sitting in Pocaco

(01:04:30):
in New Zealand watching a twenty three year old go
through that? Do you jump on a plane, do you
jump on the phone, do you have quick text? What
do you do?

Speaker 17 (01:04:38):
I mean, are they not there. I mean, I'd just
be there cobbing us back.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Just say so tough, I just I just does that
make you a helicopter?

Speaker 19 (01:04:50):
He's going to need.

Speaker 17 (01:04:51):
Something, He's going to have to need some support because
this is a ruthless, brutal, tough, tough team.

Speaker 18 (01:04:55):
These are horrible, horrible.

Speaker 17 (01:04:56):
Guys, and they're all about money and assets and just winning,
and they're not about the person.

Speaker 9 (01:05:01):
And that's why Christian Horner is just so.

Speaker 17 (01:05:04):
It's not for a minute that he's interested in duty
of care.

Speaker 12 (01:05:08):
This is so interesting. So Mike saw hearts and flowers,
and then then it gets parental and suddenly you're being
accused of being a helicopter and he's serving cups are
hardened up.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
No, so no, it's a larch way trying to drive
through a line. I'm here, I'm heading for the chicane.
I'm looking for the apex. Do I lift off? Do
I go through? Full speed? That's what I'm talking about.
So tim off for you, as the older member of
this particular group, Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, just
back the truck up. I just want to know what
it felt like.

Speaker 12 (01:05:36):
To interview someone actually older than yourself and Bob Geldoff.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Very funny anyway, Actually, very good, very good question. I
have an answer after the break more shortly twelve minutes
past eight.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
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Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
It be news Talks. Fifteen past eight.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
The Week in Review with two degrees fighting for fair
for Kiwi business.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
The moral Mic has not to get a perm. See
isn't that interesting? I was thinking about that. Do you
remember when Graham Thorne got a perm, Liam Lawson get
a Oh come on, you can't have missed that, Liam Lawson, Liam,
Liam got a perm. You got a perm at the front,
You got a front perm when just before he started
with Red Bull over the summer.

Speaker 15 (01:06:22):
Was natural.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
I just thought that was kind of a You fell
for that line, did you? I thought that was natural?

Speaker 12 (01:06:28):
Have you ever had a perm?

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
Of course not? Of course not all right, don't take
that the reason This is why it's interesting. The reason
no one gets a perm is because Mullett.

Speaker 12 (01:06:39):
Maybe you could have never made the reason.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
The reason I did not. The reason no one gets
a perm is because Graham Thorne got a perm. And
when Graham Thorne got a perm, the entire nation stopped.
It was the same. It was roughly at the same
time when Angela Dawdney got out of breasts.

Speaker 12 (01:06:54):
Remember that, Oh my goodness, can we just pivot the
sumber that Angela?

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Just imagine? So you had You must remember Tim Graham
Thorne got his perm on the television when he was
reading sport on television. He turned up on Yeah, yeah,
he did, he did.

Speaker 12 (01:07:13):
When was that?

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
It was the same time Angela dawd and he got
out of breast. She turned up on a Sunday drama program.
The nation's leading newsreader turned up one weekend on a
Sunday half naked.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
Why just.

Speaker 12 (01:07:30):
Keep keep your T shirt on?

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
Just keep your T shirt on. That's a good question, Katie.
But didn't stop and doing. Okay, where were we? It was, Bob,
very good question. Before the book, So Bob Geldoff walks
into the studio yesterday. He claims to remember me, which
was complete crap, of course, But well, I mean, you know,
we did a thing twenty years ago when I was

(01:07:53):
last year in two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight,
And the only thing that triggered his memory was Malcolm McLaren.
Because Malcol McLaren was here, and he was particularly memorable
as an individual. The fact that I was in the
roomors in no consequence whatsoever. Anyway, first thing I say
to Bob, I said, I said, what are you doing
for yourself? He goes, what do you mean? I go,
you look incredible. He goes, f off. He couldn't believe.

(01:08:15):
I said, no, you look incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
What's on the news?

Speaker 9 (01:08:18):
I agree with Bob, I don't know what you were saying.

Speaker 16 (01:08:20):
Again.

Speaker 4 (01:08:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
I go home and Kadie goes, what's the matter with you?
He looks like a wreck. And I said, and.

Speaker 17 (01:08:30):
You're like, what's your fitness regime? You look amazing.

Speaker 12 (01:08:35):
I have five pints of Guinness for breakfast and after
that I get into the Scotch whiskey.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
It's funny you should say that, because because I said,
the reason I'm asking is you're lean and you look flexible,
which he does. So he walks. The answer is, now,
here's the thing, and he was hiding it. He walks
a decent distance every day from his home to the
office in London, a forty five minute walk there and back,
so that's ninety minutes of walking a day, and he
eats what he eats one meal a day, and so

(01:09:03):
he's a he's an intimate faster, and so he eats
at three o'clock, and so he likes to feel hungry.
He says, I like to feel hungry, and I feel
hungry each day at about two o'clock. At three o'clock,
I eat, I eat anything I want. And then then
he has a scotch. I said he'd drink a lot,
and he goes, I don't have it, not a drinker's lot,
which I thought was a lovely Irish saying, not a

(01:09:24):
drinker's lot, but I have a scotch Larsa. When he arrived,
he said, we had a scotch, and I went for
a walk, and then he came back for some wines.
So he has a scotch, some wines.

Speaker 17 (01:09:34):
You might be talking out of turn here, because this
is all of this.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
I say, but I eat now. No, Bob won't sue
me for this. Bob and I go back twenty years here,
you're old mates, exactly. So anyway, he just looked like
a vital you know. So yes, visually you might look
at him and go, what a wreck, But he's but
he's vital, and he's alert and that's good stuff.

Speaker 17 (01:09:55):
And he's still working, which is good.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
It's what you were saying earlier about purpose, which is
so true.

Speaker 17 (01:09:58):
All the new research says it's more than anything is
to have purpose, which.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
Is why I like what Aliston said this week so much.
At the age of eighty, does he look eighty. I
don't think he looks eighty. I think he looks seventy four.

Speaker 19 (01:10:10):
Yeah, he's doing what he does.

Speaker 12 (01:10:12):
He doesn't lookated, he doesn't located.

Speaker 17 (01:10:13):
Just for a drunker and a smoker.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
Yeah, well that's the thing.

Speaker 12 (01:10:16):
That's the thing. Back back to that thing with purpose, though,
I wonder if he was confusing purpose with structure because
he was talking about and I think it's I think
because he said it doesn't matter what your purpose is,
I would I would submit that it does matter what
your purpose is, because some of the greatest dictators in
the world's history have had purpose, and so purpose does matter.
But he was talking about structure. People who say, for example,

(01:10:37):
if you're unemployed, you don't have that you may have
if you have a crappy job, You've still got something
to put around yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
Yeah, yeah, And I think that's his purpose. And the
more I meet the Bob geldofs this world, especially in
that area. I'm absolutely one hundred percent convinced that the
fact they still perform, at least half because most of
them don't need the money, at least half of it
is the design to be out of bed, to be
really to have a purpose, to write a song, to
sing a song, to get some feedback, to be part
of something, and that's what keeps you light and healthy

(01:11:05):
and well, it was a lovely interview.

Speaker 17 (01:11:07):
He's a really really lovely guy.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
By the sounds. Can I just ask one more question before? Yes,
he is a lovely guy, you correct. Can I just actually,
I'll give this away. I met my hero yesterday, well,
one of my heroes yesterday. And you know they say
never meet your heroes. Well I met one of my
heroes yesterday, and I had the best possible time.

Speaker 12 (01:11:27):
Who's the hero?

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
Bruce Hornsby Bruce Hornsby in the range CG. But okay,
oh my goodness, And I thought, I hope this goes well.
You know, when of those interviews you go, I hope
this goes well. And it did go well, and it
went fantastically well. So that was that was my thrill
for the day. Quick quick question to finalize.

Speaker 17 (01:11:45):
This, when's Bruce Hornsby on you should take?

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
So that's a bit of question than the one I
was going to ask. The answer is, shall we say Tuesday?
The week after the week after next? Sam's telling the.

Speaker 12 (01:11:59):
Virtually this is the deepest t eas in the history
of radio. Leyton Smith will be scowling at the radio
right now.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
I'm out late Layton next to Well, We've got Joe
Parker coming in, and I'm not going to be the
one to tell Joe Parker we bumped him for Bruce Hornsby.
So Joe Parker's in the studio, So that's it going
to go. Well now, it's not going to get well,
but Bruce Hornsby some time before the end of the year.
Let's let's let's trailer that and see what we're anyway.
Nice to see you, guys. Kate hawksby Tim Wilson, Ate

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Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
It's probably because you're younger, back a little further regular here.

Speaker 7 (01:13:37):
That's how much younger I am than you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
That's so true.

Speaker 7 (01:13:40):
Back in the days when everybody wore brown on TV.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
They still do. It's back Peter here. You don't have
to introduce yourself that way, Peter, but thanks very much
for doing so. You have to be of a certain
vintage to remember Thorny's perman, Angela's appearance on The Governor. Yes,
you do. That's quite right to read. Lim talent is
exploited by management all the time, sadly, that's true. Have
seen it often in the music industry. Yeah, that happens

(01:14:04):
a lot. There's no one in New Zealand that believes
Mike Hosking hasn't had a perm Look straight up, and
now here's a couple of things. Here's a couple of
things that and I used to get it a lot
on television. And two things I've done. I've never done
anything to myself in based on the very simple premise
that once you do something to yourself, it requires a

(01:14:26):
level of maintenance. Are we still talking about here, correct? No, Well, no,
I've broadened it out to anything, but I've never done
anything to myself in terms of I've had no botox.
A lot of people accuse me of botox because I'm
so good looking. I've never dyed my hair, and a
lot of people accuse me of dying hair, especially when
I was on television that was just like, I've never
died my hair couldn't be bothered. And I've never had

(01:14:47):
a perm because it couldn't be bothered doing that either.
And I've never had a breast enhancement because that's just trouble.
So I basically what you see is what you get.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
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Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
The reference at the start of the hour to Ronnie
Sullivan and the snooker. Now the Ronnea Sullivan's fascinating and
Sky I don't know whether Sky have snooker anymore. I
can never find it and I don't know why I
pay them, you know, for all the channels that Sky
run at the moment on sport and the absolute crap
they fill it with. This is not sport that I

(01:15:28):
don't like personally. This is just like sport of no
interest to anybody, just random sports from around the world.
Why they don't run the snooker got no idea. Tour
Championships are on this weekend, which is the tournament before
the World Championships. This is at the famed Crucible. The
reason Ronnie's worth mentioning is Ronnie played in a tournament
at the very very start of the year, played appallingly

(01:15:49):
smacked's que against the table and has not been seen since.
And some of these tournaments that he might have wanted
to be in the last couple, including this to a
championship this weekend, he might have wanted to put disipate
into warm himself up for the Worlds. He hasn't been
able to because he didn't participate in the other ones
he didn't have enough points, and because he didn't have
enough points, he couldn't get entry. So if he turns
if and it's a big if, if he turns up

(01:16:12):
at the World's at the Crucible, it will be the
first time basically we've seen him all year. And of
course you don't want to go into the World's completely cold,
which he will be. So one of two things will happen.
If he turns up. One he'll be like what you
would expect a person to be hasn't played competitive snook
for all year, or he'll do something amazing and rewrite
another chapter in the Ronie Sutherland book. I hope he's
there because if he's not, the next point is, if

(01:16:34):
he isn't there at the world's are I would expect
a retirement twenty two minutes away from.

Speaker 14 (01:16:40):
Nine International correspondence with ends and eye insurance. Peace of
mind for New Zealand business ybar Murray.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
Old, good morning, good Mike, Good morning to you. What
time is he leaving for the GGS.

Speaker 18 (01:16:53):
Well, I'm not one hundred percent sure. I haven't spoken
to Elbow this morning, but the Prime Minister is we
understan stand hopping in the uber and ducking down the
road to the Governor General's House in Canberra there to
ask her Excellency to dissolve the government because he wants
to go to an election on May the third. That's

(01:17:13):
all the drum. I heard this actually from a leak
early this week on Monday, and he said, you watch
the Prime Minister wants to take a lot of the
sting out of Peter Dutton's Budget reply speech which was
last night in the Parliament, of course, and I said, yeah,
sure about that is normally Saturday or Sunday afternoon as
the much more traditional you know, a departure for Yara

(01:17:36):
Lumbla where the Governor General lives. And my contact said,
don't worry about that. Friday morning is the go for Elbow.
So well, no, I suppose about nine o'clock Mike, about
eleven o'clock your time. But I love the smell of
an election in the.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
Morning, cannot I'm genuinely excited about it for a large
variety of reasons, some of which I'll work with you
in a moment. So, Dutton, they're not doing tax cuts,
they're doing cheaper petrol us Elbows coffee. So is it
a five dollar coffee or as the fourteen dollars petrol?
Is that what the election is going to be fought over? Well?

Speaker 18 (01:18:08):
Interesting last night when Dunton floated as yesterday ahead of
his speech. Last night, all the evening television newsers were
at petrol pumps across the nation, the sunburnt nation, saying
what do you want? Do you want fourteen bucks off
your fill up or what you prefer as you say,
like a five dollars tax cut which won't start till
next year, every single person that I want cheaper fill

(01:18:30):
and I could you know I share your concern with
your Bentley Continental. I looked up this morning. It takes
ninety liters of premium that costs you about two hundred
bucks to fill her up.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
Not in New Zealand, it doesn't cost about three hundred
and fifty dollars. You see, like a good filler paying
three dollars a liter here mate, But here's the problem
with petrel. When you go to the pump. Although technically
this fourteen cents off a liter or whatever is off
a liter, you don't know that because the price goes
up and down every single day. Do you ever feel
like I feel better for this? Whereas a tax cut
is real, isn't it.

Speaker 18 (01:19:00):
Well, yes, the tax cut is real, but it's often
than never never, And you know, I mean really it's
seventy three cents a day or something at the moment
for the average earner. I mean right now, look, you
and I have discussed this for the last three years.
Cost of living is going to drive this election. It's
going to be a lot more than a fuel you know,
A fourteen dollars cut at the at the bowser versus

(01:19:22):
a cup of coffee. But you know what, that kind
of sums it up because people are hurting. They're hurting
with high interest rates, bloody high mortgage costs, you know,
just getting through the day, getting through the week, putting
food on the table. It's tougher than it's ever been.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
Tell you what I saw interestingly yesterday with some party.
You've all seen it too. Polling in Victoria. The Teals
are in trouble and Victoria. I don't know whether this
is nationwide or whether it's just Victoria, but these are
the sort of areas the Nets or the Coalition are
going to look to pick up that they're going to
do anything, aren't they?

Speaker 18 (01:19:52):
Oh, no doubt.

Speaker 10 (01:19:53):
I mean Couyong.

Speaker 18 (01:19:54):
That was taken by a woman called Monique Ryan. She's
very well known locally. Her husband's been caught down posters
of the liberal candidate up against his wife. Kuyong is
as blue, blue ribboned liberal as you can ever imagine.
I mean it was held by the last I mean Friedenburg,
the last treasurer. He got rolled by this Teal independent.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:20:15):
Maybe, you know, I think maybe she might be in
a bit of trouble because people don't like seeing the
husband of the local member tearing down posters for the opposition.
But you contrast that with the strength the Teals. For
example here in Sydney, over in Perth, the Teal woman
there whose name is a Chainey, I just forget now,

(01:20:38):
she is rock solid, and that they are talking about
picking up more Teal seats.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
This is everything, says Mike.

Speaker 18 (01:20:45):
It's going to be a hung parliament. It just depends
which one is going to be able to form government.
Dutton from the right or Albanezy from the left. And
you know, I'll bet you London to a brick. There's
no way the Greens are going to back Dutton. No
way in on God's earth, nothing will do.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
And fair, I think it's fair to say no way
in the world that the Teals are going to back
dunt A. They I mean they swing left, don't they.

Speaker 18 (01:21:10):
They do lean left, yes they do, notwithstanding the fact
that they all I think, every single one of the
Teals are currently in the Federal Parliament. They are sitting
in seats that, by rights should you belong to the party.

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
Yeah, it'll be interesting. I was watching somebody yesterday who
said and I thought, yeah, it's not a bad point.
So the Coalition need twenty they're not going to get it,
so they'll get something short of that. They need ten
or above for Dutton not to quit. Would that be
your assessment? In other words, you can't suit. Yeah, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 18 (01:21:40):
I can't see him quitting. Honest to god, I can't
see him quitting. If he's going to go, he's going
to be rolled because don't forget Dutton. Back in twenty eighteen,
when Malcolm Turnbull imploded, all the polling pointed to Peter
Dutton taking over. Guess what the last minute he was
rolled by bringing the drums and buddy, hallelujah is Scott

(01:22:01):
Morrison for God's sake? And he led us through COVID
and then imploded himself. This is Dutton's second crack. I
cannot see him resigning. He's just too he's too much
of a hard nosed competitor mite. But his side will think,
m this is the best chance you're ever going to have.
Labor has stumbled and bumbled its way through the last
three years. If he's not going to win now, is

(01:22:22):
he ever going to win that? Maybe the assessment of
colleagues this.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
Christophler guy in Queensland when he announced that he would
never build anything for the Olympics, and then he announced
he was going to build something for the Olympics. How
do you do that with a straight face?

Speaker 18 (01:22:33):
Well, look, I mean it's all lies and that he's
smoking mirrors, isn't it. I mean no, it's like saying,
if Auckland was going to have the Olympic Games, we're
going to you know, completely redo Eden Park. What why, No,
you're not, You're going to build something brand new and
shining and sparkly. That's the same as the Gabara and Queensland.
The gab has been there since eighteen hundred and ninety.

(01:22:54):
I think there's no way known that we're ever going
to refer. Then they're going to have to have a
brand new stadium. And if you look at a map
of brick has been for those who are remotely interested,
there's this beautiful, big green space right on the northern
edge of the CBD. The river sort of snakes around
the front of it. That's exactly where the new stadium
is going to go. There's a new swimming pool as
well going in there, and it's going to be the
refirm the city needs, according to many locals, others are saying,

(01:23:19):
hands off the park. You've got the classic the classic
case of those who don't want it in their backyard
and those who were saying already real estate agents. Mike
is sprooking, Hey, come on, buy in the Olympic Zone,
the Olympic EPI Center. People are running for the hills,
any bloody minds.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
Nice to see you, mate, We'll see you next Friday.
Buy a house in the Olympic Zone. Eight forty five.

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Speaker 10 (01:23:46):
Talks at be.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
Mike. We went to Elie Pelly to see Ronnie play
Just Magical. We very much missed. The snooker used to
be run overnight. Yeah, it's there's no reason why Sky
can't run the snookarobait.

Speaker 7 (01:24:01):
Is it too expensive?

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
I would personally find that as much as I love snooker,
I'd personally find that hard to believe. I mean, it's snooker,
it's not If it.

Speaker 7 (01:24:10):
Is probably more expensive then I don't know. Yeah, one
hundreds for professional disc golf.

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
Well, it's also that and the American rugby seems to
be prominently played on sky these days. But you may
well be right by the way Power. We may spend
more time on this next week. But Contact Energy are
going to appeal. This is what I've been binging on
about this week, This inexplicable wind farm in Southland that
got turned down on the old fast track. They're going

(01:24:37):
to go One, they're going to appeal it because they
think it's flawed, as they should because it is flawed.
But two they're going to have a crack under the
new fast track. And if we can't build anything renewable
in this country, then stop moaning about coal. Clearly, if
you want renewable, at least allow people to get on
and do it. The other one that's of interest at
the moment you should be paying attention to. Apparently we're
standing by for the Commerce Commission to make a decision.

(01:24:59):
I can tell what the decision's going to be in
terms of one company buying another. This is Contact buying Manoa,
which used to be called trust power. Now what that
means very simply is one big players buying another big player,
and how they think the Commerce Commission's going to go cool.
That looks like a really good idea to me to
have less competition in the market. I got no idea.
I mean, I personally couldn't care. But I know the

(01:25:21):
Commics Commission do the Comments Commission wet themselves every day
and angst over the lack of so called competition and
petrol and supermarkets and power companies. So the last big
decision the Commics Commission made involving electricity was twenty twenty one.
It allowed Mercury to buy a trust Powers retail Aren't
for half a billion. So anyway, we'll see how that goes.

(01:25:41):
But I know how it goes. So I don't know
what happens after that. Because as far as I can tell,
one company buying another company, as much as that one
company may go that's cool for us, sort of doesn't
add to the overall pot of generation in this country,
which is exactly what we need. So we should build
a I don't know, watch we do. We should probably
build a wind farm. I don't know. We should be

(01:26:02):
in south then why don't we build a wind farm
and certain see how it all goes. Nine minutes away
from nine, the make.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
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Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
Be actually speaking of getting things done. I should have
mentioned it earlier. But the greenfield model that was announced
by Chris Bishop yesterday, whereby very simple terms, developers get
access to money from a government pot. In other words,
they just use their overdrafting. Because they got such a
big overdraft, they can get the money at a cheaper rate.
So you go along as a developer and you say
I'm going to build a thousand houses over there, and

(01:26:34):
you get the startup money and buy way of alone,
of course, and you go build your houses and once
you sell those houses, the levy gets paid back by
the homeowner. So in other words, it's kind of like
a kickstart for developers. That makes to me perfect sense.
What doesn't make sense to me is why ear Chathams
hand out Tim Tams, which is my revelation of the morning.
So Sammy goes away, he's got an event the last

(01:26:54):
couple of days and he's flying down to Wanganui our
on Eed Chathams. Now why he didn't use Delta, United
Emirates Singapore Airlines, I've got no idea. But he chose
their chatters to the flying well exactly the three or
four direct flights every day for goodness sake, anyway, So
he takes ear chathams, and it's the weirdest thing I've
I've mentioned this before, but I've never understood why people

(01:27:16):
serve food on planes in this country. This is not America.
It doesn't take six hours to get anywhere. You don't
need to be fed. What you need is just to
sit there quietly and you will land in about forty minutes,
doesn't matter where you're going to make a bit.

Speaker 7 (01:27:28):
Longer than that, I think on the kind of plane
they used to get you.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
Certainly it took semi an hour. It took it took
seventy an hour ago from Auckland to Wanganui. So they
hand out on ear chathams at tim Tam. And not
only do they hand it out of tim Tam, they
hand it out of a packet of tim Thames. So
Brian or Tracy come along and they opened the packet.

Speaker 7 (01:27:49):
Did they use tongs?

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
I do?

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
They offer you the packet and they say, would you
like a tim Tam?

Speaker 7 (01:27:53):
Not tongs? That they did grab it with a napkin apparently.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
Yeah, so they got a napkin. It's a napkin grab.
It's the weirdest thing. Why are you doing this? What's
the point five minutes away from nine.

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Leonardo DiCaprio does a movie every couple of years, so
it's time to tell you what his latest movie is.
It's called One Battle after Another. He's an activist, of course,
he is fighting a revolution to save his daughter.

Speaker 7 (01:28:17):
Had an eyelash, good morning. There are no.

Speaker 17 (01:28:21):
Hens on the clock, why because they're not needed.

Speaker 8 (01:28:26):
What time is it?

Speaker 15 (01:28:28):
Ah, you know, I don't, I don't. I don't remember
that part.

Speaker 4 (01:28:32):
All right, let's just not nitpick over the passwords.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
This is Bob Ferguson. I was a part of the
French seventy five. I need to find my daughter.

Speaker 5 (01:28:41):
Well, then call us back when you have the time.

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
You just you just you know, you are so unsuitable
for my daughter.

Speaker 9 (01:28:51):
My cow comes from a whole line of revolutionary and
you look so loss.

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
Oh, not one thing, it's another.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
Find that to be true, a line of revolutionaries. That's
a black comedy. By the way, if you wondered why
there was so much weird piano music in the lines,
it wasn't like serious. It was a black comedy. DiCaprio,
isn't it Sean Penn. I've got a lot of time
for Sean Penn, not his activism, but his acting can
be quite good. Beneathio del Toro and Regina Hall are

(01:29:24):
in that. I don't know who Regina Haul is, but
that doesn't matter. It's out in cinemas on the twenty
sixth of September. Worrying is late Sunday night, and that's
my major problem for the weekend, because too late. Otherwise
I'm going to be shabby on Monday morning, and you
don't want me shabby on Monday. They don't pay me
the sort of money they pay me to be shabby
on a Monday morning. So I don't know what I'm

(01:29:45):
going to do about that. But that's my problem, not yours.
But as always, I wish you happy days.

Speaker 1 (01:29:51):
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