Full Show Podcast: 30 September 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Breakfast show You Can Trust Heather due to see
Ellen on the Mic Hosking Breakfast with the Jaguar f
pace cut from a different clath News togs dB.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Morning and welcome Mike's on holiday. I'll be with you
for the rest of the week. Today, the government's considering
a big shake up of the building consent system. We're
going to speak to the sector. We'll also speak to
the ministry about it. How to avoid a leaky building crisis,
if you know what I mean. Big moment in the
Middle East over the weekend, Israel's killed his baller's leader.
Will cross there to see how close this brings us
to war? Southern Cross on how many of us are
turning to private healthcare? Richard Arnold and Steve Price as well.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Good Heather duplicy, Ellen.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Tell you what I did not expect, the hostile reaction
the government is getting to its order for public servants
to go back into the office. I mean, this was
a week ago already, and people are still spitting tax
about this thing seven or eight days on. I mean
one columnist over the weekend described it as modern slavery. Well,
that's mean too, isn't it. I'm describing workers on an
average about one hundred thousand dollars as slaves just because

(01:01):
they're forced to go into the offices completely losing the plot.
They're obviously not slaves. They paid employees, and they're being
asked by their employer, which is the government, to do
what their contract says, which is simply to go back
into the office and work from there. Here's a home
truth for you, right. If you like the working from home,
get over it. It's going to end. It's a losing battle.
Most global CEOs now believe we will be mostly back

(01:23):
to working completely from the office in the next three years.
And this is according I mean, this is reputable stuff.
It's according to a survey by KPMG had only out
about a week ago. A year ago, if you'd as CEOs,
how many of us are going to be back in
the office? Is this thing going to happen? They would
about sixty four percent of them would have said, yeah,
we'll go back to the office this year. Eighty three
percent of them said we're all back in the office

(01:43):
in three years.

Speaker 4 (01:44):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
What that tells you is CEOs are hardening their stance
on this. Running through list of companies, you will recognize
that have already ordered their workers back either three, four
or five days a week. Starbucks, General Motors, Disney, Walmart, Twitter, Dale, Amazon, Yahoo,
Bank of America, and KPMG. And I could go on,
because that's not a comprehensive list. Our public servants are

(02:07):
lucky that the order from the government is a little
bit woolly and there isn't a number of like a
minimum number of days they actually have to turn up
for work. In Canada there is a minimum number. It's three. Here,
it's a bit more of a viaue thing at the moment.
But I think we need to get used to this.
I mean, it's been a very nice experiment post COVID
to have some flexibility, and absolutely some flexibility will survive.
But clearly most CEOs of high performing companies have seen

(02:30):
something in this that they don't like. This is in
workers working one hundred percent from home, and for a
lot of them it's now over. So anyone giving our
government grief over this is either frankly remote working themselves,
or completely unaware of global business trends.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Why news of the world in ninety seconds.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Well, the Tory election betting scandal rolls on and former
Deputy Prime Minister Oliver Dowden has hit his interview with police.

Speaker 5 (02:54):
The betting investigation is still ongoing. Hundreds of documents have
been seized by the Gambling Commission from Tory HQ. It's
expected the case will continue for three to six months.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Meanwhile, they still trying to find their leader. Ahead of
the party's conference Thursday, Our Time. In the full finalists
Generic Cleverly, Bedknock and Tougandaut were asked what went wrong
with the election.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
I think we failed to deliver for the British people.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
I don't think that we deserved to win. People didn't
understand what we stood for.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
We promised that migration would come down, It went up.

Speaker 6 (03:26):
We promised taxes would come down.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
It went up.

Speaker 7 (03:29):
They wanted us out of office.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
As the strikes continue to range down on Lebanon, we're
starting to get an understanding of the humanitarian crisis.

Speaker 8 (03:37):
What we've seen in a few hours is unprecedented.

Speaker 7 (03:41):
The number of people displaced.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Jumped from around three hundred thousand to almost a million.
This woman's now homeless and Beirut and the lover. Honestly,
the situation here in Lebanon is very chaotic and we
are really in a crisis, we don't know what is
going to happen. John Kirby has responded to Israel killing
hbolla's leader, Hassan Israla.

Speaker 9 (04:04):
Each single civilian death is a tragedy and certainly, while
again nobody's mourning in israel A's death, we certainly do
more in any loss of civilian life.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
As the far right Freedom Party of Austria looks to
win the election, there's been a look at why so
called far right parties are on the rise around the world.

Speaker 10 (04:21):
I think what we've been missing is governments that actually
successfully govern. A lot of people are very unhappy with
the way that governments have tried to fulfill their mondays.
They feel that there aren't enough adults in the room.
That is prime terrain for populace.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
And finally, fans of Prince in Purple Rain have the
opportunity to become I suppose residents of their dream home
over the weekend for the first time ever, Prince's former
home and the one that was made famous in Purple
Rain is being put up on Airbnb. Now, this is
a bit of a trend at the moment where you've
got the celebs putting the homes up on Airbnb. You've

(04:57):
got DiCaprio doing it, insure, Gwyneth Paltrow and of course
Ashton Kutcher and Mela Kunis. And with those you can
actually the last two actually spend the weekend with them
if you want to. In Prince's home, there's some of
his old instruments you can play. You've got costumes, you
got memorabilia from his shows in the nineteen eighties on display.
And it doesn't break the bank either. It will cost
you just eleven bucks New Zealand dollars or seven US

(05:19):
dollars because seven was his favorite number. And that is
the news of the world in ninety seconds. Big news
over the weekend, obviously, is that Israel's managed to take
out Hassan Nazraela, the leader of Hezbolla. Now the significant
and actually kind of amazing that they managed to do
it because the US has tried to do this about
thirty years ago, I think, and completely failed in doing it. Apparently,

(05:41):
Benjamin Nettinya, who going to the US for that UN speech,
was actually part of the ruse that led to this
plan working. So Benjamin Nettinya, who left Israel for New
York basically to trick Israela into thinking that he was safe.
This is according to a senior Israeli official who sort
of spilled the beans on it. What they basically counted
on was that he would have assumed that Israel would

(06:02):
not take any drastic action because the Prime Minister was
out of the country. But of course they did. And apparently,
in a twist that makes this whole thing much more ironic,
he was actually watching Netanyahu's speech when he was attacked
by the Israeli Air Force plays now we're going to
go to the Middle East and find out how close
this brings us toward Giddingon Levy is our Middle East correspondent.
He'll bear with us in about an hour's time. Thirteen
past sixth.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
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Speaker 2 (06:31):
A'd be hey locally big market news this week will
be A two and what that announcement is if you've
been following what's going on here? A two has been
in a trading halt since the end of last week
over speculation that Something's saw a little bit of a
climb in the share price there ASX checked HI within
What's up and so they put themselves into a trading halt.
This is basically due to to some speculation well that

(06:52):
that due to announce that there'll be a possible acquisition,
and I think they due to announcement by mid this week.
And the speculation is that A two milk is buying
another product facility to keep an eye out for that.
Seventeen past six, but that's now as Greg Smith, Devin
Funds Management, Greg, good morning to yeod, morning to you hear.

(07:13):
What are you making of the consumer confidence numbers.

Speaker 11 (07:16):
Getting a little bit better, that's still below par.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
This is the A. Z.

Speaker 11 (07:20):
Morgan Consumer Confidence Survey, so it was up three points
in September. It's actually the third straight month of improvement,
highest level since January twenty two. But year before we
get too celebratory, Yeah, things in the here and now
are still pretty tough. Consumers are doing it tough. So
it was really driven by expectations about the future.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
Although if you look.

Speaker 11 (07:39):
At it, you look one year out and the negative
seventeen percent expect the economy to be experiencing bad time.
Set to really look five years out to get to
plus nine percent when we get to see some good
times so of course of living is still high. That
seve inflation is getting under control. Inflation expectations unchanged at
three point eight percent. Households typically overestimate inflation, and of

(08:00):
course we've got the abn Z cutting rates. But yeah,
while rates are coming down or starting to, you know,
the reality is it's going to take time to filled through.
So we've got most mortgage diatas on fixed rates, so
it's going to take time for sort of households to
get bit of a boost there, and we've got around
about half of mortgage debt rolling over the next twelve
months actually, So as a result, in the twenty five

(08:20):
percent think it's still a bad time to buy a
major household on So that's not great for retailers sort
of heading into heading into Christmas. But in the twenty
five percent expect to be better off in the years time.
So it was quite interesting. So maybe an improving housing
market might be effected here here they're so expected house
price inflation lifted from two point eight to three point
two percent, lead by the North Island excluding Wellington notably.

(08:43):
But the sty also mirrors what we're seeing in business surveys.
You know, things at the moment, are still challenging, but
are expected to improve, So not all doom and gloom,
but perhaps further cause for the economy to be nursed
back to a bit more health. So maybe a decent
rate cup by the year. Ben Z next week, Who
wouldn't like that?

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Hey, dal Jones, how's that looking to you?

Speaker 11 (09:02):
Record high on Friday? It's a good news there, So
more talking inflation. There's more suggestions that this is getting
under control and continue to progress slow. This is the
PC price index that was out on Friday. It's the
Feeds preferred inflation gauge, up zero point one percent in August,
so that puts US inflation only at two point two percent.
Some areas inflation still persistent. You look at housing related

(09:24):
costs and services and it's a bit like elsewhere. But look,
the overall picture is a good one. Heather On inflation
gauge at the lowest since early twenty twenty one. It
was below estimates, and of course it comes just over
a week after the feed cut into straight to the
first time since March twenty twenty And yeah, like I
think it gives them the remit to perhaps go again
with a similar cut. You know, they cut fifty basics
sports last time, maybe we get a similar magnitude at

(09:46):
the next spinning. That's it not till early November. So yeah,
the US economy, it's slowing, it's not falling off a cliff.
Personal incomes they rose just two point two percent on
the month. That was lower than estimates, but you still
potentially looking at a soft landing. The HEA investors certainly
encouraged by this, as are US consumers. We have the
speaking of confidence surveys with the University of Michigan one

(10:06):
that rose to seventy point one September, up three percent
from August, and one year business expectations in the USE
all also looking pretty good, up six percent. Americans they
don't seem too worried about the election, not yet anyway.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Hey, looks at you like those Chinese stimulus measures are working.

Speaker 11 (10:23):
Oh for sure. So yeah, the Chinese markets are really
lagged when you look at the US and other global
markets this year. But yeah, they were breathing file last week.
Shangho composite up for around thirteen percent. That's the biggest
rise in over a decade. Yeah, and as you suggest,
it's all due officials sort of coming out with major
measures to boost the economy. These have been long awaited,
so they're basically cutting the amount of cash banks need

(10:45):
to have them on hand. They're cutting short term interest
rates by zero point two percentage points. Further measures to
boost the stroking property market. They're cutting mortgage rates there.
And they've also got another really interesting move. I think
they've got one hundred and ten billion war chests to
boost the stock markets. They're going on to s it managers,
brokers and the like, and they've also talked about a
stock stabilization fund. So yeah, maybe a bit of a coincidence.

(11:07):
That comes not long after the FED cut rates by
fifty basis points and also US stock markets have been
hitting record levels. But yeah, time will tell you know
how this all sort of filtered through to their demand.
But it should be a good thing, you would think
for New Zealand, China being the largest customer. But yeah,
this is certainly receptive. You can look at the nazdeck
Golden Dragon China and exits US listed companies with the
majority of the business in China that was up over

(11:29):
twenty percent last week. Also, luxury goods companies doing pretty
well as welcoming their alliance to the country. So Bebury
was noted one that was over up over seven percent.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Okay, hey give me the numbers.

Speaker 12 (11:39):
Three yeah, sure.

Speaker 11 (11:40):
So the DO was at point three percent. That was
a record at forty two to three one three isn't
P five hundred was a touch laser point one percent.
Nasdack was down point four percent, for two one hundred
was up point four percent, Stock six hundred and Europe
that had a record high that was up half percent.
Asian markets were doing really well in that sort of
China's to miss news. Last week, Nico was up two
point three percent, cs Ide three hundred and Choine up

(12:02):
four and a half percent. On Friday three seven zero three,
SX two hundred up point two percent. In the X
fifty down point three percent. As you mentioned, a lot
of ex somniner und A two up eleven percent, so
we'll hear more about their news. Oil at fifty one
cent sixty eight spot eight and gold down forteen bucks
two sixty five eight. US announced currency markets key we
up point two percent outs the US sixty three spot

(12:23):
four to two, up against a DOLO ninety one point
eight eight up against Stirling forty seven point four up
against the euro fifty six point eight. And this week
here we've got plenty going on. We've got EU inflation
with the Powell speech, got non fund payrolls, Ossie trade
balance business conference locally, also boarding permits and yeah, plenty
of ection in the dairy sector. We're going to have auction.
I got the A two announcement waiting on and we've

(12:44):
also got slame milk results today.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Good stuff, Greg, listen, thank you very much, go and
enjoy your day. That's Greg Smith devon funds management.

Speaker 4 (12:52):
Here.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
There can't be a very productive job if it is
an office job that can be done at home. As
a fair point said sent from Dave in Wellington of here,
the why doesn't Nichola Willis just print more money to
pay for all the shortcomings and the budget for the
hospitals and the fairies that work for the previous lot.
Did Jill it work for the previous lot? Very very well?
Actually talk a little bit more about Dunedin Hospital next
six to twenty three.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
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Speaker 2 (13:32):
So Sony are putting a lot of time and effort
into advertising the final Venom movie with Tom Hardy. They've
released the third It's the final trailer also for Venom,
the Last Dance. If you're not a superhero fan, what
you need to know is Venom is part of the
spider Man Wider family. Spider Man is one of the
last superhero movie franchises that Sony actually owns, and after
Madame Webb flopped badly, they really need this to work.

Speaker 7 (13:53):
In my words, only chaos and anarchy rains. But this
was not enough for my career. No he wants this.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
Work's long reserves. A free think will rip comes the
time in every man's.

Speaker 13 (14:18):
Life where you have to make a sacrifice.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
The time is called.

Speaker 7 (14:28):
I'm with you to the end.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Let him get the nerds going, won't it. It's got
Tom Hardy, It's got Reesa Ethan's a whole bunch of
other in the star cast. There first two films made
a combined two point one billion New Zealand dollars of
the box office, so high expectations for number three out
in Cinema's October twenty five Will Talk More about Dunedin
Hospital after the news coming up U still.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
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Speaker 1 (14:58):
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Speaker 2 (15:08):
The Dunedin hospital build contract is CPB. It's the same
who built Transmission Gully with massive cost over runs. They
milk the cow. We're going to talk about that shortly. Also,
is there some humiliation for the US, by the way,
on what's going on in the Middle East at the moment,
because if you recall late last week, I must have
been Thursday or Friday. I can't remember exactly, but there
may have been Thursday. The US was sort of going

(15:28):
out there letting it be known that there was a
cease fire deal that was absolutely imminent and Israel would
be agreeing to it, and they just basically needed to
get it across the lines, but it would be twenty
one days and be able to sort everything out. In
the next minute. You know, we're killing his baller's leader
and things are blowing up and escalating. Talk to Richard
Arnold out of the US about that very shortly. Right now,
it's twenty two away from seven. Yeah, well it looks

(15:52):
like on the Dunedan Hospital thing. The government's got a
fight on its hands. About thirty five thousand people protested
over the weekend, outraged at the plans to downscale the hospital,
which has blown its budget. Infrastructure Minister Chris Bishop is
with me now, haybersh good morning. You have got a
problem on your hands, you haven't you.

Speaker 14 (16:08):
Yeah, And there's no sugarcoating it. It's a frustrating situation
and I share the frustration of the people of Duneda.
This project has been a shamuzzle for a large number
of years. If you go back to twenty seventeen, you know,
just into doing they start construction on it in the
first three years and get up built. And here we
are seven years later and we've only just laid the
piles on the impatient building and the outpatient building is

(16:29):
only half complete. So there's been an extraordinary series of
events over many years on this I haven't hear it.
Alongside Shane Ready and alongside the rest of the government,
we are now making as much information public about it
as possible, because that hasn't been the case. I think
the people of Dunedin probably don't agree with me for
most things at the moment, but they probably agree with
me that the transparency around this project has been as

(16:49):
shot du So we are being as upfront and transparent
as possible about the problems with the project.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Is your problem, the contractor, so we've been.

Speaker 15 (16:59):
Looking into that.

Speaker 14 (17:00):
I'm advised that the what happened in twenty twenty one
is under the previous government they awarded CPB what's called
an early contractor engagement contract and the reason they did that,
I'm advised by the officials is that this project is
so complex that the Zealand market has never delivered a
hospital project like this. This goes back to the site selection.

(17:20):
This is the old Cadbury site that was purchased for
sixty five million bucks. Well the Cadbury was eleven million bucks,
but there was another fifty million of bucks they land
they had to purchase as well. It's contaminated, they've had
to assess the flood risks. They've got got a hospitals
and they are above the ground. That's an eleven twelve
story building. It's an extremely complex project. The three state

(17:41):
highways surrounding this hospital site. So the market had never
delivered something like this before, So the official advice of
the previous government was selector early contractor Engagement CPB, and
they've been working with the health officials to design the
project alongside pricing it. We've just received in the last

(18:02):
few weeks the revised pricing for the cost to deliver
the inpatient building, and it's several hundred million dollars above
the appropriate amount. So that's the situation as it stands.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Well, what I mean is have you have you checked
whether other contractors could actually build it to budget?

Speaker 14 (18:19):
Well, I'm limited into what I can say because there's
obviously a commercial process we're going to go through here
as well, so I don't want to publicly ventilate on
radio about exactly what's going on, but clearly we will
want to be driving as much value for money for
the Crown as we can.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Out of What are your options though, I mean, are
you able to are you able to get out of
this contract?

Speaker 15 (18:45):
Well, we need to.

Speaker 14 (18:47):
We need to assess whether it's worth going back out
to the market, and bear in mind that would add
a long time to the hospital. So there's no easy
options here, right, This is the situation.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
But I mean surely, surely you guys have just you know,
put your finger in the wind, just had had a
bit of a chat to the industry and seeing if
this is completely out of whack or if actually this
is what everybody would would charge you.

Speaker 14 (19:16):
I think what I would say to that is you
can be assured that we are being as diligent and
as rigorous and as thorough as you would expect the
government to be with spending two billion dollars to make
sure that we are getting value for money. But there
are no easy options here. We've got a way up
the trade offs between going out to market and potentially
delaying the actual start of construction on the impatient for

(19:38):
another long period of time, which again I think the
people have needed to say to me that the terrible idea.
Just get on with it and you know, driving value
for money to make sure we actually get on with
the hospitals. There's a lot of different trade offs we're
trying to juggle here, and being as being as upfront
and transparent with you as I can was in the
confines of what I can say commercially, and I do

(19:59):
realize you.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Hands are wed bit there. Thank you very much for
your time really peristatic. Christ Biship, the Infrastructure Minister, eighteen
away from seven ever due out The reason I was
asking about the contractor is because I have a sneaky
suspicion CPB may be quite a big part of the
problem here. These guys have a history of doing contracts
in this country and then suddenly going, oh, we need
more money. So they've done six in New Zealand. At

(20:20):
last count, only one of the six was not way
over budget, and only one of the six was not late.
So they are responsible for christ Church's metro sports facility
that's about three years late. That's trouble trebled in cost
more than from two hundred and twenty million bucks to
seven hundred million bucks. Christ Church Hospital is about twenty
three percent over budget two and a half years late.

(20:41):
They also had to replace faulty plumbing after the building
flooded about four years ago. The christ Church Convention Center,
eighteen months behind schedule, claimed an extra forty million dollars
on the project, which was covered by contingencies in the
budget transmission galley. They are responsible for that one too,
two years late, four hundred million dollars over budget. That's
come in at whopping one point twenty five billion. I

(21:02):
think that is fifty percent over budget, which is significant.
Six Stateway sixteen Causeway upgrade in Auckland on time, over budget,
Bayfair Baypark to Bayfair Roading project in the Bay of
Plenty way over budget, three years late, and now of
course to need in hospital. I suspect that maybe just
you know, ask around, you might be able to get
a better deal. Seventeen away from.

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Speaker 2 (21:31):
Hither it can be done? Christ stadiums builders on time
and on budget. This contractors or shocker for the hospital
and for everything else. Fourteen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
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Speaker 2 (21:44):
New It's thirds one of Richard Arnold's with say Richard,
good morning, good morning, healler. Okay, what's the latest on
the hurricane.

Speaker 16 (21:50):
You know, when it comes to natural disasters, the emergency
services typically say they're aren't they mobilized? Things are occurring
much as anticipated. Well, this time it is a different
take from Dan Criswell, who runs FEMA, the federal agency.
She says she doesn't believe that anyone could be fully
prepared for the amount of flooding brought on by this
Hurricane Helene. This massive storm barreled on shore as a

(22:12):
Category four hurricane early on Saturday, your time.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
It was.

Speaker 16 (22:16):
The storm surge has been catastrophic and the amount of
water falling inland has been just devastating. Place after place
just looks like a disaster zone. The desktoll Ride at
the minute is sixty four and increasing. Ashville in North Carolina,
Mountaintown has been isolated. They're sending food into that place
through air drops because more than four hundred roads have
been closed, damaged or washed out. FEMA Chief Criswell says,

(22:39):
we have.

Speaker 17 (22:40):
Right now, I believe it's nine search and rescue teams
in North Carolina. We have more that are coming in today.
I talked to our lead on the ground there this morning,
and the current information I have as they've done close
to five hundred rescue.

Speaker 16 (22:55):
Yeah, some people are being taken off roofs of flooded buildings.
It's reminiscent of Hurricane Contriter in my mind mind going
back way back to five. Eastern Tennessee also is badly here.

Speaker 15 (23:04):
I don't think anyone thought it would be this bad.

Speaker 16 (23:06):
At a number of places just looked like a bomber's kit.

Speaker 17 (23:10):
They don't have homes, they don't have oxygen, they don't
have water.

Speaker 14 (23:15):
They're just trying to keep everybody alive.

Speaker 16 (23:16):
Yeah, the full scale of this really isn't known at
the minute. But this fellow who lost half his home.

Speaker 15 (23:21):
Says, what do we do?

Speaker 7 (23:22):
Now?

Speaker 12 (23:23):
Do we keep?

Speaker 3 (23:24):
Do we continue to do?

Speaker 7 (23:26):
This?

Speaker 3 (23:27):
Good question?

Speaker 16 (23:28):
Our things changing? We know the Gulf waterers are getting
warmer by a few degrees and the behavior of these
storms is shifting, says the FEMA chief in her assessment
of it.

Speaker 17 (23:37):
We're seeing so much more water damage and I think
that is a result of the warm waters, which is
a result of climate change.

Speaker 16 (23:44):
Yeah, and there's been a lot of debate about that, obviously,
and by the sound of it, there's going to.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Be a lot more Richard, the US must be feeling
pretty upset with Israel over the ceasefire talk ahead of
the weekend and now nowhere near spot on.

Speaker 16 (23:56):
Of course, we've seen President Biden talking about his hopes
received fire over weeks and months, but is ready Leader Netanyahu,
not Biden, seems to be the one who is setting
the course and this is ongoing. We have another high
ranking Haswella leader who has been killed by an Israeli
airstrike following on from the assassination of the head of
the terror group hus In Zezrauela, who led it for
more than thirty years. The US says he did not

(24:18):
know of the assassination plans. Take that as you will.
President Biden says in the statement that Nozruela's death is
a quote measure of justice for his many victims, including
thousands of Americans, Israelis, and Lebanese civilians.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
The US is as ready.

Speaker 16 (24:31):
Forces now killed the top thirty or so leaders of
Hasbela over the past few weeks. One was a man
named Ibrahim Akiel, who was sought by the Americans over
his role in the bombing of the US Marine Coar
Barracks in Beirut way back in nineteen eighty three. As Forzrauella,
he would go to extraordinary lengths to try to conceal
his location, and the New York Times reporter Neil mcfarquire

(24:52):
recalls being taken to interview him. This was twenty something
years ago.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
We were taken in a darkened vand with blindfolds on
around for a while, and then they let us into
an apartment complex, not unlike those that were bombed.

Speaker 16 (25:06):
Well, the Israeli has found him clearly, and from the
images of the building damage, it looks like Israel employed
a US made bunker busting bomb as a national security aid.
Here John Kirby is saying now of Hasbula.

Speaker 9 (25:17):
The command structure has been nearly decimated, thousands of missiles
and drones destroyed by Israel over the last few days.
There's no question that the hes bler today is not
the hesbuler that was even just a week ago.

Speaker 16 (25:30):
But can you destroy a terror group by assassinating its leader?
And what will Irun, which has supported Hasbela as it's proxy,
what will run do about all of this?

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Is a very good question, Richard, thank you very much,
My appreciate It's Richard Arnold, US correspondent. We'll talk to
Giddy and Levy as I said about goodness, let's say
twenty minutes time with theirabouts look on something else entirely
looks like kiwis are increasingly moving to private healthcare. Southern
Cross just posted this morning. It's twenty twenty four results
just if it is. Basically it cannot afford how many

(25:59):
of us are now closed aiming at the level that
we are claiming for private healthcare paid out about one
point five billion dollars in claims last year. That's basically
get a load of this six million dollars every business day.
They say that's an extraordinary year that they've just had
deficit of eighty eight million. As a result, we're gonna
have a chat to them quarter past seven right now,
it's nine away from seven, Heather dup.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
C Ellen on the My Costing Breakfast with the Jaguar
f Base News Talks.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
EDB, Heather, you forgot that the y Carrier prison build
should also be on your list of projects that CPB
have failed to deliver. Jesuits, thank you. Six goes to seven.
It's actually getting far worse, hey. The government is considering
and this is potentially quite big news for anybody who's
involved in renovating or building or anything considering tiding up
the building consent system. Now at the moment, if you've

(26:44):
done any of this stuff yourself, and Lord, for my
sins I have, you have got to go get your
building consent from the local council and then if you
do it in Wellington, well you're you know, you know
what it's like in Wellington. It's fairly inept anyway. So
the councils are handling it, sixty seven of them, local
body territory whatever you call them, you know, like local
body council clusters. Yeah all that, yeah, thank you, much

(27:07):
better way to describe it. Sixty seven clusters are handling
them throughout the country and they all have different interpretations
of the rules, because of course they do. So what
the government is thinking of doing is somehow just making
this a little bit more streamlined, either forcing the clusters
to amalgamate, allowing them to voluntarily amalgamate, or and this

(27:27):
may be the better way of dealing with it, I
don't know, just chucking it to some sort of a
central body to oversee it. We're going to have a
chat to the master Builders after seven o'clock and then
Chris Pink, the Minister in charge of this, will be
with us after the half past seven news to explain
where his thinking on this thing is. Five away from seven.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
All the ins and the ouse. It's the fears with
business fiber. Take your business productivity to the next level, all.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Right, so the big advertised salaries are starting to come
down from their lofty heights. Now I am talking about
the sikh in Z Advertised Salary Index. It's found that
advertised salaries grew three point seven percent in the year
to August, which was down slightly, ever so slightly, from
four point four percent from the previous quarter. It's also
down relatively significantly on the peak of the five point

(28:11):
one percent increase back in November last year, so that
three point seven percent is now the slowest annual rate
of growth since mid twenty twenty two, so over two years.
Although was still ahead on the pre COVID averages, Canterbury
still advertising the highest increased salaries for the same jobs
at four point four percent higher than this time last year.
Auckland salaries are up three point six and christ Church

(28:34):
up three point four now the rest of the North
Island around four point two percent, up rest of the
South Island two point three. So if you want a
job and you want a decent increase in the South Island,
then christ Church really is going to be your place
to go. Canterbury as anyway, in terms of industries, education
salaries have seen the biggest increase at eight point five percent,
followed by healthcare at eight point two percent and no surprise,

(28:56):
insurance jobs at seven point seven percent. There are just
three industries going back towards advertising and media down zero
point one. No, you can always go into real estate
down zero point nine, mining resources and energy down two
point seven. But Shane's onto that, So no fear at all.
All right, AI, We're gonna have to talk about AI
in the next hour. AI can do absolutely everything. Apparently

(29:19):
AI can do TV commercials as well. Brimworth is having
a crack at this. I think if we've got an opportunity,
I'll play you the commercial that reckon, the first commercial
TV commercial in the country done by AI. I'm going
to play it to you can decipher yourself if you
think it's a winner or not. But as I say,
straight after the news steal with the building consents, news
talks that.

Speaker 18 (29:37):
BM demanding the answers from the decision makers.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
Can the duplessy Ellen on the mic asking breakfast with
a Vida, retirement communities, Life your Way, news togs B.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Good morning here the doplicy Ellen and for Mike Hosking
will be back in a week's time or so. The
government's considering major reform first up of building consents. Consents
are currently handled by sixty seven councils around the country.
Now the government's considering either allowing these councils to work together,
or forcing them to work together, or setting up one
national body to handle the work. Master Builders CEO an
kor charmas with us. Now, Hey Ankert, hey head, why

(30:22):
is it that you actually get different interpretations of the
building rules from different councils? Why is that happening?

Speaker 19 (30:29):
I think it's primarily one court, different councils. Every council's
using their own systems and processes, which just cans up
creating much more complexity and different interpretations.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Do we have examples of one builder who perhaps has
to get consents from various councils actually getting different interpretations
of the rules on one piece of work?

Speaker 19 (30:50):
Multiple examples? So or eighty percent of master builders report
dealing with multiple btas, and many reports significant delays and
cause cause by consistencies between neighboring consenting authorities. We've even
heard stories that within a consenting authorities sometimes different inspectors
can have different interpretations and average time for a quot

(31:11):
of compliance to be issued after regional consent in New
Zealand is nearly one and a half years and we
need to find a way to do better than this.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
So is the problem actually then the fact that people
are being asked to interpret and they're interpreting it, interpreting
it different, or is the way that the legislation has
written the problem?

Speaker 19 (31:29):
I think it's how it's been interpreted there and when
you have multiple people applying different systems and processes to
you know, work out how to apply the code, dactors
and inconsistencies and anything. You know, you get ten people
to look at something, you'll get ten slightly different versions
of it. So if anything we can do to improve consistency,

(31:50):
it gives sectum maturity, build speed up projects and ultimately
reduced costs of building new homes.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
So what's your preference of the three options? Do you
do you let them voluntarily amalgamate, do you force them
to do it, or do you just set up a
completely new body.

Speaker 19 (32:03):
I think we need to have more conversations around, especially
how we address the joint and civil liability, which is
a key challenge for the local councils and ultimately the
right payers, and we probably need to have more conversation
with various stakeholders, including councils. In my view, I think
the options as they're laid out today are likely to

(32:23):
involve as we start doing deeper consultation with the industry
and stakeholders, probably too early to pick up preferred option.
My view would be a fact that we are acknowledging
and looking to address this issue, which I think will
have quite a significant impact and ultimately building houses better,
faster and cheaper. Any change is a positive change from

(32:44):
where we are today, and.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
It good to talk to you. Thank you an Kit Sharma,
Master Builder CEO.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
Here the duper c l over.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
The weekend, Israel managed to kill his bull's lead in
Hassan Nazraala and overnight the Idea of also claimed to
have killed another senior figure in the group. This leaves
the Middle East on the brink of war and backward.
That's a journalist and analyst Gideon Levy, Hey, Gideon.

Speaker 20 (33:03):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
How close to war?

Speaker 15 (33:05):
Are we.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
Very close?

Speaker 8 (33:07):
But it might still be prevented.

Speaker 21 (33:11):
But it seems that we.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
Are very close.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
How could it be prevented?

Speaker 8 (33:16):
My international pressure and by hoping that it's Balad and
Iran will not retaliate. If they will as well, you
go for ground operation and then it's a your game.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Does even if I mean, obviously Hezbollah wants revenge, but
does it actually have the ability right now, given the
fact that it's being pummeled by Israel. Does it actually
have the ability to regroup and do something.

Speaker 8 (33:43):
The experts say that yes, they were over one hundred
fighters and it's only about the commanders who were assassinated,
and the capabilities are still there and some of the
weapons are still there. But I'm not an expert for
Risbala for their arms. But the experts say that they

(34:06):
still have the capability. Yes, they have to recover from
the first shock, and then they might retaliate.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Does Israel want to pull back or has Israel got
an endgame here that requires it to keep going.

Speaker 8 (34:20):
I'm afraid that Israel has an endgame of entering into
Lebanon and conquering the south part those kilometers between Israel
and the Litani River and take over. I'm very afraid
that this is the purpose, because by the end of

(34:41):
the day, Israel claims that it wants to return it's
sixty thousand citizens who were displaced from the homes because
of the danger, and they believe that by war they
can eliminate the danger.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
If Iran does something, what does it do?

Speaker 8 (35:02):
Oh, that's that's really a new game. I don't by
the way, I don't think Iran will do something directly,
because Iran is quite scared from the United States, and
Iran seems to have not only a new prime minister,
but also a new direction, namely not to get too

(35:22):
much involved directly because of the economy and because of
other reasons. They want to reconcile with the West in
a way, and the war is as well will destroy everything.
I don't see them getting into a war with as well,
because then the United States is in the picture, and

(35:44):
I guess they are rational enough to understand that this
might be too big price to pay.

Speaker 18 (35:51):
Get in.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
It's good to talk to you, Mike. Thanks for your analysis.
Getting in Livy Israeli and Israeli journalist and ANALYSTI you
have got another sign of how much trouble we're in
with midwives. If you've been following what's going on with
the midwives, we've had a bit of a shortage of
midwives and that was kind of happening naturally, But then
over COVID with the you know mid a midwives is

(36:13):
gonna mind if I say they're a bit wacky. They
have some funny ideas. Just now the time to be
saying that, probably not day one, you mean, oh, I
see what you mean about to have a baby.

Speaker 6 (36:23):
I just worry that you don't want to be antagonizing.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
This is a good point. Yeah, yes, Well it's done now,
isn't it. So I'm just gonna have to take my chances,
aren't I. Midwives have some funny ideas sometimes, and they
didn't really love being told by the health system they
needed to get the jab and various other things. And
so as a result, we've actually made the whole situation worse.
So I've got a bunch of midwives leaving as a
result of this, and I'm very sorry that this is happening,
because nothing like a midwife when you're about to have

(36:46):
a baby, you need that person there. Birth Care in
Central Auckland is closing its primary birthing suites because they
do not have enough midwives anymore. Whole bunch of midwives
have retired or quit, so from the thirty first of December,
it's all finished. And if you want to go, I
mean this is off see an option for second or
third time mums who aren't too worried and don't need
to go into the hospital. But now you're going to
have to go into the hospital because we're losing midwives

(37:07):
at such a rate of knots that needs to be addressed.
Fourteen past seven The Mic.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by News
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Speaker 2 (37:19):
Dunedin is a small city, declining population. It should have
a cottage hospital instead, just with an air ambulance added
air ambulance service added to that. We'll have a chat
about Dunedin in just a minute. At seventeen past seven.
Looks like kiwis are increasing speaking of health increasingly moving
to private healthcare and it is costing. Southern Cross, the
insurer has posted its twenty twenty four results this morning.
Here's a number. It's handing out six million dollars and

(37:41):
claims every single business stage joining me now is Southern
Cross Health Society Group Chief Executive Nick Astwo Kanak.

Speaker 21 (37:49):
Good morning here.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Six million sounds like like an extraordinary number. How big
is that in contrast to previous years?

Speaker 21 (37:56):
Well a couple where we're at five point two million
dollars in the previous years and we're up at about
six point six million dollars a day. At the moment,
it's about fifteen thousand claims a day, about three point
two million a year.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
I mean, this is this is not an indication that
we're getting sicker or breaking downwards, just that more of
us are coming to.

Speaker 21 (38:14):
You, right, Yeah, that's right. We sort of surveyed a
lot of New Zealanders and our Healthy Fatures Report, and
the third most the biggest concern that they had, after
the economy and crime to their health and well being
was access to the quality healthcare. So we know New
Zealand is seeing health is more priceless and certainly demand
and we had the busiest year. You know, we've never

(38:36):
been in more demand, and I guess while other businesses
have been sort of struggling in this economy with demand,
that has been the opposite for us. And so we've
grown to nine hundred and fifty five thousand members. That's
sort of the highest since nineteen ninety two. And in
any normal year we probably have a third of our
members claim. Last year we had fifty percent of our
members claim, So New Zealanders are prioritizing access to healthcare

(39:00):
and some across is a good solution thing.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
What happened in nineteen ninety two that it was so high.

Speaker 21 (39:06):
Well here the well back in the eighties there wasn't
any fringe benefit tax on private health insurance and I
think something cross got as high as about one point
two million members. So it had been tracking. But the
last eight years we've grown every single year in that membership.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Now, what do you think when you talk to people
about and have a little bit of a deep dive
into why they're actually joining up. Are these people who
are exceptionally wealthy so you know that are mind throwing
some money at private healthcare? Or are these people who
are building it into quite tight budgets because they see
it as so important.

Speaker 21 (39:40):
Were right across the spectrum. When you think about our
nine hundred and fifty five thousand members, about half of
that membership is sort of paid in part or in
full by businesses of New Zealand and the other half
paying personally out are their own wallets. So we have,
you know, the workforces of New Zealand. We've got sort
of three and a half thousand businesses that than near

(40:00):
health insurance. So it has changed quite dramatically over the years.
You know where yes, we've got people that can afford
to invest in that healthcare, but also businesses are ready
backing their employees and to private care.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Nock, it's good to talk to you. Thanks runningus through.
It's Nick Astik, who is the Southern Cross Health Society
Group CEO. This is what the numbers are doing right.
Surgical procedure claims up eight percent, Specialist consultations up seven percent,
GP visit claims up twelve or twelve And I don't
even know you could claim for the GP, but evidently
you can up twelve and a half percent. Nee replacement
claims costs up seventeen percent, colonoscopies up seventeen percent, hit

(40:35):
replacements up eleven percent, Skin excisions are up fourteen percent.
Anything not go up. Prescription claims. Prescription cover claims foul
sixty six percent. That will be because Grant Grant was like,
it's on us, don't worry about the prescriptions on us,
not anymore. So that'll be going up again. Seven to
twenty one.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
The Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio Power
News Talk sad be.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Here the five point two million dollars last year to
six million dollars this year, most of that just will
be absolutely inflation. Team, thank you for that. Seven twenty three.
Now on the Dunedan hospital scaleback, the government is in
trouble on this right. That protest over the weekend was big.
Thirty five thousand people are turning up to protest. What's
going on is more than a quarter of Dunedin's population.
Now to be fair, right, you've got to assume that

(41:23):
they didn't just come from Dunedin. They came from all
over the Otago region. And that will probably be true
because the hospital would service the whole region, so the
whole region cares. Even if you encounter include the population
of the region, that's fourteen percent of the population that
turned up on Saturday. That's still massive. Now, there are
very few issues that would drive that kind of frustration
get that many people out, but health is absolutely one

(41:45):
of them, right, because we want to know that the
medical facilities in our area can save our kids' lives,
or save our kids, our parents' lives, or even you know,
save our own lives. But this is reality. Unfortunately, this
is and I think that this is something we're going
to have to come to terms with. We are broke.
New Zealand cannot afford a three billion dollar hospital, and
we can't afford three billion dollar fairies, and we can't

(42:07):
afford to pay the wages of sixty four thousand public
servants or any number of other things than we think
that we should have. We just can't have anymore. We
are running and operating deficit in this country every single year. Well,
that basically means if you were to compare that to
your household, that's basically the equivalent of spending more every
single year in outgoings on your groceries and your rent

(42:28):
and your power bills, whatever. Then you're actually bringing in. Well,
how do you make up that shortfall? You chuck it
on the credit card. Now, that may be sustainable for
a year or two, but it is not sustainable year
after year after year after year, which is what we're
doing it you're doing at the moment. If you want
to know how broke we are, you just need to
listen to the Treasury warning that came through last week.
Dominic Stevens, the chief economist at Treasury, warned at that

(42:49):
for us to get back to surplus in this country.
The government will have to cut so much spending so
fast it would be unprecedented in recent history in New Zealand.
Our debt is out of control largely and let's be
honest about it, largely thanks to what Grant and Justined
did during COVID. Treasury has been warning about our debt

(43:11):
levels they reckon for about the last twenty years, since
about two thousand and six. Back in two thousand and six,
they were worried because they thought that we were heading
for a net crown debt situation of around thirteen percent
of GDP. We are three times that now. That is
how much trouble we're in. So we are broke now.
I don't want to see projects like a hospital, especially

(43:31):
scaled back, and I don't want to be sailing on
tin pop fairies that I'm not sure are going to
make it to the other side. But you need money
to buy and build things, and we don't have any money.
And judging by the size of that protest on Saturday
and the anger that's being directed at the government at
the moment, we clearly don't realize that yet.

Speaker 17 (43:48):
Ever.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
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Speaker 2 (43:51):
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Speaker 2 (44:33):
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Isn't like you go to like a spa. If you
went to a spa to get your massage done and
that AD was playing, it wouldn't put you out of
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Now this may be a thing. I don't know. We're
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this is the problem with the AI is that the

(44:54):
AI just doesn't have the pizaz. It's not going to
chuck a random bugger in there, like a dog falling
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Speaker 18 (45:11):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
You're trusted source for news and views, Heather Duplicy Allen
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Speaker 2 (45:26):
Heather, your argument doesn't hold up when we can afford
tax cuts of billions of dollars to landlords. Peter said
that we can't afford the nets from LEZ. That's absolutely
a fair point, actually, and this is something, This is
where things get a little bit complicated, right. We are broke,
yet somehow, when we are broke, we can afford things
for certain things. We can afford money for certain things
and not for other things. And in that respect, the

(45:47):
government is losing the argument. If they really believe it.
This is and they probably realize this by now, if
they really believed in those landlord tax cuts, they needed
to come out and sell them and explain to us
why they haven't. It's become a problem for them. It's
an albatross that hangs around their neck and every thing
will be measured against that. Listen on the rugby at
the weekend. I'm not convinced by Body replacing d maac,

(46:07):
are you?

Speaker 3 (46:08):
I mean?

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Because d mac does some funny things on the field,
But then Body was doing some funny things. I mean,
what it like it'll be. I'm not gonna lie. I
was tired, so I sort of like what I was
forcing myself to watch its are half awake, and then
I thought I saw Body kick the ball sort of
across the field randomly and it just fell there was nobody.

Speaker 6 (46:24):
He did a lot of good stuff too, that lovely
delay pass of his.

Speaker 22 (46:29):
I feel like, what's happened What's happened with Boden Barrett.
Everybody loved him initially. Now he seems to be a
polarizing figure. I feel like it's what happened with the Feelers. Yeah,
you know, everybody was into the Feelers and then and
then it became and then it became cool to not
like them, and it's like it's like it's cool to hate.

Speaker 6 (46:47):
On Boden Barrett, and I don't really understand why.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
I don't understand why either. Maybe maybe it is the
same problem as with the Feelers. Lots of greatest hits,
but too many greatest misses as well, including the one
at the weekend. It's not to say that Boden's not
a great player. Boden's a great player. Boden's a better
player than I am, obviously, but I'm not there he is.
But some some weird stuff was happening. So if he's
doing weird stuff and d Mack is doing weird stuff,

(47:10):
and you have to pick between the two of them,
then surely you would pick the guy who's still going
to be there at the next World Cup. Just saying that,
that seems to me like an obvious thing for Razer
to do. You're welcome, Raizer, Old charge you later for that. Anyway,
we'll have a chat to the sports boys, will be
a thus the commentary box. Obviously after eight o'clock, it's
twenty one away from a fill me well. If building
consents drive you nuts for all of the fiddlely rules

(47:33):
and the things that make absolutely no sense at all,
there might be some hope coming. The government is considering
some major reform of the system, potentially seeing sixty seven
authorities replaced with you who knows just one maybe and
with us Now is the building in construction, Minister Chris Penka,
Kris Barding header mate, when you are thinking about this,
have you got the old leaky homes front and center?

Speaker 15 (47:52):
Yeah? Absolutely, Look, we're always considering how we can avoid
a scenario lower the quality. We don't want to do that,
But the system is so in as at the moment
you can actually get gains without reducing standards just by
having things much more joined up and actually much more
certain and inconsistent, including across those different sixty seven building
consent authorities that you just mentioned.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
How can you But here's the thing, how can you
have certainty and inconsistency if you've still got humans in
different building Yet, Like, even if you've just got two
humans trying to interpret the same set of rules, there's
going to be potentially wacky ideas well.

Speaker 15 (48:26):
That's always going to be true at a level. But
at the moment, you've got a recipe for a greater
level of disaster in that regard because you've got all
these different organizations, each with their own interpretation. Of course,
they've all got their own risk profile because with joint
and several liability, in other words, one hundred percent of
being in the gun for what goes wrong if something
falls over, then they're all sort of very diligently during

(48:48):
their own thing and their own little corners of New Zealand.
So you maximize that. But with this human potential for
subjective interpretations, the other way you deal with that is
you actually have mechanism. We can say, well, I can
cross check a number of builders who say to me,
I don't want to challenge the council because then I'm
going to be on some sort of blacklist and that's
their only board of call. Whereas if you open it

(49:10):
up a bit more re action vide, the possibility of
having some common sense applies for some of these ridiculous
stories that you do hear about.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
What's your preference at the moment. Do you want to
allow these guys to voluntarily get together and decide how
to voluntarily amalgamate basically, or do you want to force
them or do you just want one national body handing
out these building consents.

Speaker 15 (49:29):
Well, I'd mostly been thinking on the lines of a
single national body, although with the caveat that that would
look like farming it out to a combination of existing ones,
as in the councilors might want to continue to do
that work somewhat by the way, some that have the resources,
especially the smaller towns, but also maybe some private certifiers,
particularly backed by the accreditation and the insurance that would

(49:51):
go with that. So that had been my thinking, to
be honest, but wanting to talk with the sector. But
recently actually a lot of them have come to me
with this idea of voluntarily consolidating AUSS within the region.
So I'm open to that. I don't really care in
a way. I just want a better system than what
we've got, which is any of the three options out there.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
I would agree with that. Hey, so listen, we're getting
a lot of talk about the fact that there is
like there are varying rules, right. Have you got an
example of one rule that you get different interpretations of
across councils.

Speaker 15 (50:20):
Well, I mean so many different ones. I think that
the classic one is when you have one council approving
a set of plans and then another council not doing that,
so not even you know, turning up with inspections and
you can sort of have a subjective opinion about whether
enough screws or whatever. A consens plan in accordance with
the building code that applies to the whole country should

(50:43):
be the same in any given area. And the problem
with that, of course is that when you've got builders
who are working at scale because they're doing offsite manufacturing
in one area and then transporting elsewhere, or you've got
some prefabricated stuff. All these obviously group bold builders as
well who are deplaying the trade across New Zealand. They've
got the economy of scale in the productivity that we

(51:04):
actually want to get to another one who are finding
it had us because that dealing with all the different
councils at the moment. But that's probably a crait case
that we've got to get past.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
Chris, I really appreciate you time, mate, look after yourself.
That's Chris Pink Building and Construction Minister. Heather Bowden is
the only superstar left in the All Blacks, the best
player there. Dmac wasn't good enough to be a starting
ab in his prime and still isn't good enough. I
feel like maybe you didn't watch the test then and
see Wallace Atiti because that's a superstar, right What about
Will Jordan and another superstar right there? We'll talk about

(51:32):
them later on as well. Sixteen away from Ete the my.

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Speaker 3 (51:41):
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Speaker 2 (51:43):
Hither. That AI generated ad for Bremworth sounds like the
ad of a luxury brothel. I wouldn't know, but I
appreciate that you've added that insight. We're going to talk
to Bremworth about that very shortly. Right now, it's thirteen away,
but they'll be with us, like in about five minutes
thirteen away from at the moment Hither. I just got
back from Wellington. I had a great weekend there. The
city needs a hug and a coat of paint. There

(52:04):
are so many nutsers down there. Even the homeless leave
their Auckland counterparts for dead. How you out compete on
the homeless front, I don't really know, but can I
say so? This was supposed to be the big weekend
for Wellington and it sounds like they've had an absolute
ripper of a time down there because they had all
the rugby crowd and they've had the world of wearable
arts people. And because I've still got friends who have
decided to remain in Wellington and subject themselves to ongoing

(52:28):
torture by paying extortion at rates while being run by
a pack of clowns. From time to time, I do
need to go down and just you know, show my
face and give them some counseling and remind them that
the rest of the world is still out here anyway.
So I decided I'd book myself down go to Wellington
next weekend just you know, hello, just a little heidy
high completely booked out. It is impossible to get a room.

(52:51):
You're basically going to pay sort of like five star
hotel rates in Wellington at the moment for the motel quality.
So Welling and is absolutely on a rip, and I'm
very very pleased for them. They absolutely need it. Listen
on the building consent, I think Chris Pink is onto
something here with these building consents and the authorities. But
I suspect that I just am not entirely sure if

(53:13):
the solution here is the interpretation of the rules or
the rules themselves need to be clarified. And I'll tell
you why, because when I was living in Wellington, I
decided to renovate a house because I had nothing better
to do with my time at that stage. Obviously didn't
have any children, otherwise that wouldn't even be a consideration.
And I decided to renovate this house. And one of
the stipulations from the local building authority being the pack

(53:35):
of clowns Wellington City Council, was that I needed to
have safety glass in the bathroom. Now, safety glass in
the bathroom is something that is required by law, but
this is where the interpretation thing comes in, I think,
because the point of safety glass is that if you
slip over in a puddle and you fall through the window,
the safety glass is supposed to shatter, kind of like
a windscreen in the card, you know what I mean.

(53:55):
So this breaks up into little jewel like chunks rather
than sharps that then sort of like scrape year to
death as you fall out the window. Here's the problem.
The window was above the bath so in order, and
it was high, and it was small. So in order
to be able to fall out that window and tear
yourself to shreds, you'd sort of have to do quite

(54:16):
like quite an amazing feat of falling upwards over the bath.

Speaker 22 (54:21):
What if you had like a really tall guest who
was an extravagant tooth flosser, you know, and going backwards
and forward knocks, and a fist goes through the windows.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
And extraordinarily long arms that reach across the gigantic bath.
These are all possible. So I feel like this is
the mental contution that somebody in Wellington City Council obviously
didn't win Yate safety glass six thousand dollars by the
way for safety glass. Thank god. Somebody said go down
the road to blah blah shop and buy the sticker
thing that you still just put a sticker over the
glass for twenty bucks and it basically does exactly the

(54:54):
same thing. To this day, I don't know whether it
was the Wellington City Council people who were like, hmm,
and see the flosser you might need to get in
safe to glo.

Speaker 6 (55:02):
Yeah, you look like a person who knows a lot
of tall people who fluss.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Could have been that could have been the bad rules.
Don't know which of the two it is. I hope
that Chris Pink has looked into it, because I just
am not entirely sure. If we take the numpties out
of the situation, whether we don't just create more situations
for numpties to be able to ruin for us if
you know what I mean, heither Thank god, someone you
me is shouting out that we're broke. The general population
has not realized this yet. We are broke. We are broke,

(55:29):
and I will repeat that as many times as possible.
We are very, very very broke at the moment. Ten
away from eight Ever Ellen on.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
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Speaker 2 (55:42):
Heather Wellington City Council would say, well, what if Hamishkur
was in your bath? Well that would be that would
be a scandal here that you're forgetting people who have
trampolines in their bath. Loll It's the new big thing, Chris,
thank you for that. I'm always looking forward to new trends.
It sticks away from eight now. Two things are kiwis
love right, wool and a good ad on the Telly
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Speaker 3 (56:12):
Now.

Speaker 23 (56:12):
Hey Rachelle, good morning, Thank you for having us.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Yeah, thanks very much.

Speaker 23 (56:16):
You've seen the ad, Yes, I have for the first
time last night.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Give it to me out of ten?

Speaker 23 (56:23):
Well, I'd obviously give it a ten out of ten.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Why Why?

Speaker 23 (56:30):
Because I guess it's it's a really innovative way to
showcase and elevate the wool industry, I guess. And wall
as a fiber.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Yeah, when you put it, when you put this into AI,
which by the way, is very clever, put this into
AI and you're like, AI, please make me a TV
commercial about wool? Does it just front load that thing
with lots of sheep?

Speaker 23 (56:55):
No, not necessarily, you know. And when we creating this
TVC we were sort of entering into uncharited or uncharted territory,
so we definitely did hit a few bumps in the road.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Michelle, What did it give you?

Speaker 23 (57:14):
Well, for example, you cannot make minor changes to certain
scenes as you're creating the assets, so we had to
obviously come up with solutions as we went along, like
what kind of.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Changes were you made? Were like, I need more sheep
in this shot, and that they couldn't do it.

Speaker 23 (57:31):
No, we don't actually feature any sheep in our TVC.
It's it's really an abstract and more sort of sensory
way too, an interesting I guess way to showcase will
as a fiber because it's just so beautiful, and we
think that this TVC has managed to communicate that.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
I'm guessing we've got lots of beautiful landscape shots of
New Zealand.

Speaker 23 (57:54):
We've certainly got a couple yes in the TVC.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
How much cheaper do you reckon this was?

Speaker 4 (57:59):
To me? Then?

Speaker 2 (58:00):
If you'd actually had real humans.

Speaker 23 (58:01):
Working on it, we think it would have cost us
or sorry, reduced our spend by about sixty percent. And
I guess that sixty percent is very meaningful to small companies.
And you know, it wouldn't if we hadn't if AI
wasn't available to us, we wouldn't have had the budgets to.

Speaker 19 (58:26):
Be able to go on to TV.

Speaker 23 (58:30):
Cost of the video would have been too much for us,
just as our media.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Spe it's prohibitive. A this may be the way of
the future, mightened it because basically it's becoming so hard
to get, you know, to actually afford these ads, and
so a few people watch them nowadays. On the tally, Rachelle,
thank you very much, appreciate it. Rachelle Flint Bream with
chief brand and product Officer here the boat and Barratt
is a great player, but Dmac creates so much more
and a better passer unless recent co overrun the passes

(58:54):
or it'sxplaming somebody else for that, isn't it? So when
he throws it into midair and then nobody's there, it's
because Severy Reese's overrun it. I'm just not convinced on
either of these lads. I feel like I want to
I don't know what I want from them in your carter,
said an option Richie Waringer. Anyway, we'll talk to the
commentary boys next. News talks Heed b.

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Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
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Speaker 12 (01:00:49):
Hello, how are you?

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
I am very well, although I've already been told I
need to stick to book reviews. What do girls know
about rugby? Anyway? Not a lot, is it to now?

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Hey?

Speaker 4 (01:01:01):
Well, at least you at least you're not up to
what day ninety seven of annually for the year. I
think that's what Mike must be clocking by now.

Speaker 20 (01:01:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
I think we're basically working from home at the stage,
aren't we just like a Wellington.

Speaker 23 (01:01:13):
Say?

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Well, maybe you could, given I don't know anything about
what I'm talking about. Maybe you can help me out here.
Were you convinced by body in the number ten Jersy?

Speaker 12 (01:01:20):
No, I've heard you before and I totally agree. I
don't think he was entirely convincing. I don't think the
team was entirely convincing. I listened to a bit of
Got Back yesterday on Jason Show and tended to disagree
with a number of the callers. Yes, they beat the
Wallabies by twenty points, but this All Black team should
be putting twenty thirty points on the Wallabies every day

(01:01:43):
of the week. This is not a great Wallabies team.

Speaker 15 (01:01:44):
Look.

Speaker 12 (01:01:45):
I think it's been very well coached by Joe Schmidt
and Mike Krohn, and they did well on patches on
Saturday night again, but I still think this All Black
side is spluttering along compared to what they're capable of.
The big big tests again will come against Ireland, England,
France up north. I just still think there's disjointedness in

(01:02:09):
certain areas of the game and I would still like
to see Amy McKenzie back at ten for those big
games up north.

Speaker 15 (01:02:16):
Why.

Speaker 12 (01:02:18):
I just think he adds a little bit extra heats
will make the odd mistake. But I just think when
you're going to play against those teams up Norse, you've
got to throw something different at them. And Damien McKenzie
cat yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
Mean, the thing is, guy I heard. The best argument
I heard for DMAC was from Nicky Styris on Friday
who said to me, you've got two who are pretty
much and this is body and DMAK pretty much same
same level pegging. But one of them is going to
be there for the Rugby World Cup as the new
blood and the other one isn't. So that that gives you.
That gives them the advantage, doesn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:50):
Well, I wouldn't be surprised if Boden Barrett was still
here around Rugby.

Speaker 15 (01:02:53):
World Cup time.

Speaker 4 (01:02:55):
I think what they need to do is settile on
whoever it's going to be at ten and just stick
to that for a long period of time instead of
chopping and changing all the time. And then they also
need to realize that and I'm talking players and coaches here,
but if you're coming off the bench in this day

(01:03:15):
and age, you still have a very important part to
play in a game of rugby. The bench has never
been more important in rugby than it is now, yes,
you've got a starting fifteen, but in this day and age,
it takes twenty three to win a game of rugby. Like,
there's so many tactical decisions around when to bring players on.
Look at how the South Africans do it. For example,

(01:03:36):
They've got what they call the bomb squad or whatever
has calls the bomb squad, and when they generally bring
them on, they tend to blow teams away. So I
think people just and maybe the All Blacks themselves, just
need to start realizing that it's not necessarily just those
fifteen players that start the game. There's a massive amount

(01:03:56):
of importance on bringing players on. And then we've seen
the impact that Boden Barratt can have off the bench,
and I think Damien McKenzie can do the same thing
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
I mean, listen, Wallace, a Titi. What can we say
about this guy that would do justice to how awesome
he is.

Speaker 12 (01:04:11):
I think he's been outstanding. Yeah, he impressed in Super rugby,
but let's not forget at the start of the year
he was a wider training group player with the Chiefs.
He played for the Blues under twenties. He slipped through
their net which happens often, but for him to play
against of Africa, for him to play in the big

(01:04:32):
tests of the year and totally not look out of place,
I think it's been one of the big positives so
far of Scott Robertson's reign. I think next year you'll
see him go to Party to seven and someone like
an Ethan pack At at blindside. But the big positive
for me in Scott Robertson's reign is someone finally putting

(01:04:53):
Will Jordan at fullback. He was absolutely terrific again on
Saturday night and he was last weekend as well. He's
one of the better players man.

Speaker 8 (01:05:03):
He is.

Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
That's where he belongs and it's been a shame I
think that that he hasn't been there for so long
and now we're finally seeing just how good he is.

Speaker 12 (01:05:11):
But let's not forget an Sydney guy. He was picked
on the right wing. Only Barrett's illness, true slow who
caught them back to fullback. They need to They need
to come up with the plan where they stick with
players in the right positions or a long term position
and stick with it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
Yeah, yeah, I think you're probably right. Listen, I want
to talk about the Craker, but we'll have to do
it after the break. Hang on Tight thirteen past.

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Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
I'd be right back with the commentary Box sixteen past.
A guy, have Alge Andrew seventh guy. I tell you what,
I'm stoked for Liam Lawson and he deserves a break.
But what worries me is that Red Bull sounds like
a mess.

Speaker 4 (01:05:52):
It sounds like a complete mess, doesn't it. I mean
a year and a half, two years ago, you would
have said that this was just a hands down outstanding
result for him to get into, and it still is.
I mean, he's in the F one and he's got
a seat and all that sort of stuff. But you're
dead right, like, look at the state of it, all
these rumors about MAXI Stepan wanting out and wanting to
go somewhere else, them taking so damn long to figure

(01:06:14):
out what they wanted to do next year. You've got
Christian Horner, who is seemingly not a great human being
away from away from the F one scene, and you know, yeah,
you're right, it just seems like a place that's in
a little bit of a mess at the moment. They
can't seem to win a race right now. Have he
dominated for the last few years. Look, I still think

(01:06:36):
there is. It's just an outstanding achievement and result for
Liam Lawson. And look, yes they're a mess, but they
are still a very very good team with huge resources
as well, so I think it can only be positive
for him.

Speaker 20 (01:06:52):
There wasn't There was.

Speaker 12 (01:06:53):
An expectation during the week that not only would he
be confirmed for the last six events, but he'd also
be confirmed in the art B team seat for next year.
They didn't stretch that out the details that were released.
They didn't stretch that out to that because I think,
and there is a strong theory going around that if
Sergio Perez continues to disappoint in that top red Bull team,

(01:07:15):
Liam could well slot into the seat beside Maxwellstapam in
that top red bull team next year.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
Sav Why are they holding off on announcing it?

Speaker 19 (01:07:23):
What's up?

Speaker 7 (01:07:23):
Like?

Speaker 4 (01:07:23):
What is going on?

Speaker 12 (01:07:25):
That's just well, that's just Formula one to a degree.
It's very cutthroat. They can and Leam's well aware of that,
is that if he doesn't even if he doesn't perform
over those six events, and I think he will. But
if he doesn't dog eat dog world of if white,
he could be go out the back door. That's that's
how they That's how these teams operate. Do you realize
that he's only just making a six figure salary only

(01:07:48):
just and the first time he's been paid is this year?

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
How much is he on?

Speaker 12 (01:07:53):
My understanding is it's not much over one hundred grand?
What wow?

Speaker 24 (01:07:58):
Ye?

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
How is he not being paid?

Speaker 12 (01:08:00):
And well Red Bull put money into his Formula three
and Formula two campaigns, right, but he survives on corporate
sponsors out of n Z and also private investors that
have invested in him for the last eighteen years.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
These guys even lease.

Speaker 12 (01:08:15):
Now, well, that's the way it is. Unless unless you've
got a rich daddy or rich mummy, or you have
massive mega million sponsorship like Perezas out of Mexico that
he brings to the Red Bull team, you live hand
to mouth. It's that that's how he fin operates. Until
you become a Hamilton or of a staff at thirty

(01:08:36):
forty million year plus, these guys are on the pretty
much on the breadline. He has to pay for his
own insurances, medical costs for physical trainer's diet to show
he looked at because he's.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
Got really great sunglasses all the time.

Speaker 12 (01:08:49):
I thought that, no good ideal out of that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
Kid.

Speaker 12 (01:08:54):
Look, here's a guy who's watched by one hundred million
people upcoming in these races, the multi billion dollar circus,
and he earns less than a base super rugby player.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
You know, that's disgraceful. They should be ashamed of themselves.

Speaker 12 (01:09:08):
I'm not a disgraceful So it's a factive life and
if one this is our it operates is area.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
Yeah, I'm just I'm feeling disgraced on a human level,
sav you know, But yeah, on a sports level, I get.
I'm on board with it. You know what else is
disgracing me?

Speaker 23 (01:09:19):
Though?

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
Guys eighty eight and what happened, I.

Speaker 4 (01:09:24):
Can only guess. Look, this has been coming for a
while now. This is a black Cat's team. I've been
saying it for the last couple of years. They're about
to go through I think, a pretty rough period in
terms of the Test cricket, and we're starting to see
it right now. They've got some good players and they've
got you know, Cain Williamson still which is pretty important.

(01:09:47):
But they don't have a great team like they did
there in probably the you know, from twenty fifteen onwards.
For about five or six years or so, they've lost
a few to retirement and that sort of thing. And yeah,
I think it's just going to be a struggle for
this Black Cats team for a while and this is
the this time we're seeing it. I think some of
the selections have been a bit strange. I think, why

(01:10:09):
is Matt Henry not in the team? He's probably the
best Test bowler we've got at the moment and he
doesn't seem to be able to fit anywhere inside Gary
Steed's team. I think there needs to start being some
pressure put on Gary Steed to be honest.

Speaker 12 (01:10:21):
The results.

Speaker 4 (01:10:22):
I think that's four tests losses in a row now
for this Black Cats team. Yeah, it's really not looking
good and I don't have hope that it's going to
get better anytime soon. Let's not forget. Yes it is
in Trilanka, but this is not a great Trilankan cricket
team that they're playing right now.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
No, well, jeez, that makes it even worse. Sam, did
you watch the AFL.

Speaker 12 (01:10:42):
Yeah I did a little bit. Yeah, Yeah, I don't
know why we need a Katy Perry. Yeah, I'd rather
see Cold Chisel or I don't know. They've spent four
or five million on Katy Perry. I think they're trying.
They're trying to make it the Super.

Speaker 4 (01:10:56):
Bowl halftime kind of thing.

Speaker 12 (01:10:57):
They are, But you know, it's have you a hard crowd.
They didn't even wouldn't even know who she is exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
Yeah, it's it's the wrong artist for the wrong crowd.
It was bizarre, But anyway, what can you do that
spent the money on that? Guys, It's wonderful to talk
to you. Thank you so much. Enjoy the rest of
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these random people you forgot you work with. Jenny was
called Jenny random, completely random to me, completely random. All
kinds of random things are happening to me. I'm like,
I didn't know that you worked here, still didn't even
know didn't even know that you worked here in some cases,
Nice to see you anyway. So I said to you,
because Genny knows everything about netball, I said, well, what happened?

(01:13:25):
Why I thought we sucked at netball? Why are we
not sucking anymore? She says Grays and Wicker. Basically, she's back,
she knows what she's doing, and so we won you
know the other thing we didn't do in the sports
commentary box, by the way, and it feels I feel
like what I've neglected here as women Katie Perry, because
we should have got onto that in greater detail. If

(01:13:46):
you haven't seen it, you need to go. It's dressed
up like a robot for the show, didn't she And
then she had all these girls running around on the
field with sort of these inflatable things you can get
from Kmart for about two dollars silver disc things. One
of them blew down because it's from Kmart, so that
was going to happen, so running around with one of
them busted. And then she did nine songs, not just
the five we were expecting. So the AFL got its

(01:14:07):
money's worth five million bucks buys in nine songs. Bargain
they wanted the rolling Stones by the way, who said
no even turned them down for twenty million bucks.

Speaker 15 (01:14:15):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
News is next.

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
The breakfast show.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
You can try us Heather du for Cellen on the
Mic Hosking Breakfast with a Vida, Retirement, Communities, Life Your
Way News togsa'd be right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
If you haven't seen what debbing Ado were Packer is
in the news for this week, and I'm gonna run
you through that because of course it's going to wind
you up, because Debbie generally winds people up, doesn't she.
Hither we wanted to add a two bedroom light timber
frame building next to our existing four bedroom houses. Is
going back to the building consents. We put a consent
into the council and then got asked to do a

(01:14:54):
contaminated site report, and then got asked to do engineering
design piles, and then got asked for a liqui faction
report and a geological analysis. In all of this to
eighty months, and then we were told that we can't
build there because we need a resource consent in our
existing house has been there seventy years, so obviously shouldn't
have been built there seventy years. Managed to hold up.
Can't build there now, though, can you?

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
Twenty two away from nine International Correspondence with ends and
eye Insurance Peace of mind for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
Posit correspondent Steve Prices that morning, Steve, very good morning
to you have that right. The protests, the pro Humas
and pro Lebanon protests, how big were they?

Speaker 20 (01:15:30):
That would be the biggest that we've seen for months
and there are some disturbing images there yesterday. I'm talking
about Sydney and Melbourne. Both cities have a very large
Lebanese population, migrants from Lebanon in particular, and the rallies
we've been used to probably numbering one hundreds each Saturday Sunday,
but this was more.

Speaker 12 (01:15:48):
In the thousand.

Speaker 20 (01:15:49):
But it has forced Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke, a
senior minister obviously in the Albanezi government, to come out
and say, look, I'll consider canceling the visas of anyone
who sites discord in Australia. Now, Burke holds a seat
that has a very large Muslim population and he's been
very reluctant to go public on his views on whether

(01:16:10):
these protests should take place or not. So why are
we so disturbed about this given that these protests happen
just about every weekend. Well, when you see the images
of masked men carrying framed photographs of the Hezbalah leader
Athan Israela who obviously was taken out in that bomb
attack in southern Lebanon over the last few days, you

(01:16:33):
really think to yourself, am I still in Australia I mean,
why masked men or masked anybody are allowed to march
in protests through the streets of Australia's beyond me anyway.
But they were chanting and filmed and there is video
of this. You can look it up on the Australian
Newspaper's website. They were chanting labak yazraela. That's in Arabic,

(01:16:55):
which translate to at your service Nasraela or EARI. I
think a lot of Australians in general, when you look
at those images today and you watch that video and
you see it recorded on TV news, that would say
to themselves, why are these pro Israeli people in Australia
and what have we done? I mean, who's come here?

(01:17:18):
It is already a major concern about what visas were
issued and what visas weren't after the October seven attacks
and obviously the Israeli reaction in Palestine in Gaza. But
I think a lot of Australians will be shaking their
heads today and saying, what the hell's going on?

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
What's it going to take to get a visa canceled?
How bad does the behavior have to be?

Speaker 20 (01:17:40):
Well, we do have legislation in place federal legislation in
place about incitingvitons. It's a very loose piece of legislation,
and this government in particular sense reluctant to use it,
but you could use it. I mean, why is it
legal to walk down a street holding a photograph of
a dead terrorist leader wearing a mask? I mean, I

(01:18:03):
just don't get that. When you can't walk into a
bank wearing a motorcycle helmet, why are you allowed to
be masked in a protest? It makes no sense.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
Better few people asking that question, Hey, what do you
make of that news? Pop?

Speaker 20 (01:18:15):
Well, it tells me that the Labor government is in trouble,
and that obviously clearly, and Mike and I have this
conversation all the time. The election will not now be
this year, clearly, It's going to be as late as
possible next year, which is probably going to mean May.
But it looks like older voters, those between fifty to
sixty four, have turned swiftly against Labor because of cost

(01:18:38):
of living. I mean the vote in New South Wales
now has the primary vote of Labor down to thirty percent.
That would be an election losing number. The Coalition is
now starting to take a lead in WA as well,
so we've got WA in New South Wales and Queensland
that would be enough seats for the coalition to win. Obviously,
in Victoria, Labor it is still but it's those front

(01:19:00):
two party preferred. It's still fifty to fifty. But the
government in particular would be most concerned about the fact
that at fifty to sixty four year olds are turning
against Labor, and you've got to put that down principally
the cost of living and people still have some real
concerns about the pace at which green energy transition is happening.
So Anthony Albanezi himself as a leader, his performance is

(01:19:24):
still very poor and his leadership at the moment doesn't
look great. So I'd say in summary that Labour would
now hope that they're going to get probably stumble towards Christmas,
get through the Christmas holiday period, make some big announcements
in the new year. Hopefully they're an inch straight cut
and they might be able to struggle their way to
a narrow election victory sometime in main next year.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
Steve, what do you reckon? I mean, if alban is
at last, I saw albanize he's still leading Dutton in
preferred prime minister and if he's still leading Dutton, does
that not kind of assist Labor or is it possible,
Is it possible that Dutton wins even though he's unpoppued.

Speaker 20 (01:20:01):
Yeah, the latter, I think is a great assessment, because
in our system, you just got to win seats. Yeah,
I mean, it's not a presidential contest. It's a matter
of you've got to pick up enough seats to get
a majority in the House of Representatives. My great fear
as always been the possibility of a minority government. We
hope that doesn't happen. But if you look at the

(01:20:22):
seats and in the states where the swing is on,
you can make an argument, a reasonably good argument. Right
now the coalition is sitting where they could possibly sneak
over the line or they could force Labor into minority government.

Speaker 3 (01:20:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
Interesting, Steve, thank you so much for chatting us through
that stuff that Steve price Ossie corresponds, Listen, if you're
feeling ripped off by the price of the Cold Play
tickets in Auckland, and if you paid full price at
the height of the dynamic price, and you may well
be feeling ripped off because I last I might check
it is about five hundred and fifty bucks age. Get
a load of this. This will make you feel better.
The tickets in India, the cold Play tickets are going

(01:20:58):
for as much as nine hundred thousand, which is about
seventeen thousand New Zealand dollars each of them. Now, this
is not the official sale website. This is a resale website.
But the problem is the things sold out apparently within
minutes on the official ticketing platform, but before they even
sold out, they'd popped up on the resale website, which

(01:21:20):
is making a lot of people wonder if the official
guys are in cohoots with the resailing guys. But yeah,
seventeen thousand. I don't know how much you love Coplay,
but nobody's gonna love Coldplay and have to pay seventeen
thousand dollars sixteen away from nine The.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, Howard By
News Talks at.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
Be Heather enjoy hearing you in the morning. Just worried
about who's covering you afternoon show? Can you share it here?
From philipp It's not a secret, it's Jack. I think
it's Jack jeez. If it's not Jack, then I'm just
making stories up. And that's entirely possible, because I think
there is entirely possible. I'm still in some sort of
physical shock.

Speaker 6 (01:21:56):
We can't confirm that as jack'tis Jack. Yeah, you didn't
have it to say that. Okay, thank it's a real thing,
in which case, which brings me right now.

Speaker 2 (01:22:06):
This is the next thing. Okay, So Jack, the minute
he starts at four o'clock, what you need to do
is just start bombarding him with capital gains texts because
I don't know if you recall, but Wednesday last week,
I haven't forgotten this Jack. Jack tried to lead us
astray with some weird o, weird mathematics that he was
doing about how capital gains tax is awesome and it's
not gonna it's not gonna rip you off, and you're

(01:22:27):
gonna be able to sell your house for a million
bucks and buy another house for a million bucks. And
he has apologized to me for that snap who on text,
but he hasn't apologized to you. And I feel like
you should just railroad him into doing that this afternoon.

Speaker 6 (01:22:39):
Just get him started, like warmmut are you're trying to
start a breakfast. There hasn't been drive beef on the station.

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
I listened to Mike every single day hoping that he's
going to rip me one, but it never happens, and
I suspect it's because he's too busy to listen to me. So,
but I am not too busy to start a war.

Speaker 22 (01:22:57):
There's a lot of sky on News Australia to be watched,
you know, on a weekday afternoon while he's sitting on
a stationary bike.

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
Be honest with you, I'm quite looking forward to this
little life of leisure that he gets. Unfortunately at school holiday,
so that will not happen for me. Listen, Debbi Nado,
We're pack. I said, I'm going to tell you about this, okay,
So Debbie turns out Debbie has been Debbie loves a plane.
If Debbie says to you I care about the climate,
she doesn't. She loves jumping on the plane. She spent
thirty nine thousand dollars on flights in three months. That

(01:23:26):
is thirteen thousand dollars a month. That is in a week.
What's that fourth four thousand, three thousand dollars. I did
New Zealand school math, so I don't really know. Three
to four thousand dollars a week on flights. How in
hell's name are you racking up that kind of a bill?
And girl, have you got your gold? Elie backed up
at the Corus Club for like a decade, because with

(01:23:48):
that kind of flying you need to anyway higher than
any other MP. This excludes ministers by the way, we
just look at the kind of b grade MP's right,
it's not the ministers. The next highest is Willie Jackson,
who racked up twenty eight thousand in three months, which
is not bad, but it did include a trip to
London and back again for that Oxford debate. She spent
sixty three percent more. It's higher, just to give you

(01:24:08):
some context, higher than the total claimed by all of
Act's MPs who are not ministers. Five of them only
managed to bring in thirty six thousand dollars in plane tickets.
Debbie did more than that. Where did Debbie go? No,
Debbie's not telling you, and Parliamentary Services don't have to
tell you. Parliamentary Services are not subject to the Official
Information Act. Jerry doesn't have to tell you. Jerry is

(01:24:29):
also not subject to the Official Information Act. So Debbie
has to tell us, or the Maldi party has to
tell us if you go to space, well quite possibly.
In fact, if she does decide to go to space,
and Debbie, that's not a bad idea. They've got some
room up there with the Boeing guys who'd be up
there for a while, which will suit us just fine.

(01:24:50):
You could go to her Instagram account find out she
went to Hawaii. She was attending the Protecting Oceania activist summit,
but also was serving surfing. That's the extent of what
we know. And I reckon that. I reckon this calls
for a bit of transparency, don't you. Because if Debbie,
I mean Debbie only has to go from Wellington to Wanganui, right,
that's her local spot. It's not you don't even need

(01:25:11):
to fly it. You just you could drive it if
you wanted to care for the climate. But Debbie is
obviously flying it and flying everything else as well. And
if she's flying on the taxpayer dollar, and if she
and everybody else it's flying on the taxpayer dollar and
flying for work, I feel like we should know what's up,
don't you? Nine Away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
Heather duplessy Ellen pond on Mike hosting Breakfast with the
Jaguar f Phase News Talk SEDB.

Speaker 2 (01:25:32):
Glenn, this is for you, Glenn. Glenn, I think we
need Mike and Heather on together for fifteen minutes. I'm
not sure who would get a word in, but hecket
would be funny. I think we can answer that question,
be Mike, wouldn't it because we defer at this station,
We defer to a seniority and be genius, which is
why Glenn often doesn't say anything for the entire show.
Just ris to Mike here, nice bird, You're welcome starting out,

(01:25:55):
starting out on day one, like we mean to continue. Hey,
weirdest okay, just really quickly, really really quickly. We're is
kind of trade dispute that's caught my eye. I mean,
some trade disputes get weird. They do get weird between
countries from time to time. Like I personally think us
having to give up bree is a bit weird. But anyway,
it is what it is. Turkey wants to regulate the
donut kebab. Now, the donor kebab feels to me like

(01:26:18):
a thing, like a burger, Like whoever came with it,
it doesn't really matter who came up with it. We
all own it now and we're all doing it our
own way, aren't we.

Speaker 6 (01:26:25):
So are we allowed to still call it a kebab
or just not don a kebab.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
This is not even This is not even the start,
Like we haven't even got to the naming rights. Where
we're regulating is what kind of meat you're allowed to use.
So you're allowed to use chicken, beef and lamb, but
you're not allowed to use veal in turkey. You're not
allowed to marinate it, and you have to slice it
in a certain way. It has to be served on
a bed of rice or wrapped in a lavash flatbread,

(01:26:50):
along with fries, tomatoes and hot peppers, no garlic sauce.
Germany is upset about this because Germany's bastardized the thing.
It's wrapped the thing in peter bread, it's topped it
with cabbage and lettu, it's got heaps of sausages that
they do, all kinds of stuff. The donor kebab is causing.
It's causing so much trouble. The EU has had to
sit these two countries down and say I can come
into this room. You've got six months and if you

(01:27:11):
don't sort out this donor kebab situation, We're going to
sort it out for you. Eight who says human rights
are the big thing. This is the big thing. Five
away from nine.

Speaker 3 (01:27:18):
Trending now the home of big brand cosmetics.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
Get a load of this. Okay, there's a guy called Trump.
He's going viral. He's spoken Wisconsin late afternoon our time.
There was only there was one comment in particular that
has both sides questioning whether he's just you know, lost it.
Finally we're going to get to that. But there were
other moments that also went viral. So he said news
outlets shouldn't show any of Carmela's rallies.

Speaker 25 (01:27:40):
That I have to sit there and listen to her
bullshit last night, and who.

Speaker 3 (01:27:49):
Puts it on Fox News?

Speaker 25 (01:27:50):
And they shouldn't be allowed to put it on.

Speaker 3 (01:27:52):
It's all lies, it's all lies.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
Stones and glass houses. Then he got his guns mixed.

Speaker 25 (01:27:58):
Up then as well in Killers Street Gangs, then as
well in Killers Street Gangs occupying the town with MK
forty sevens. I know that gun very well. I got
to know it very well. I've become an expert on
guns quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
Yeah, obviously, And Apparently most of us don't know how
our phones work.

Speaker 25 (01:28:21):
Immigrants, they have a phone app so that people can
come into our country. These are smart immigrants, I guess,
because most people don't have any idea what the hell
of phone app is.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
But this is where the majority rerickon the line got
a little bloed.

Speaker 24 (01:28:35):
Joe Biden became mentally impaired.

Speaker 25 (01:28:37):
Kamala was born that way.

Speaker 24 (01:28:43):
She was born, And if you think about it, only
a mentally disabled person could have allowed this to happen
to our country.

Speaker 15 (01:28:53):
Anybody would know this.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
You know what's going to happen. Everybody's going to flip
out about it, and they going to say he went
too far, and they're going to run stories of it
for about forty eight hours and he's going to go
up in the polls. That's how that's going to work,
isn't it. Unfortunately, that's how Trump he plays it. Hey,
thank you for having me back with you tomorrow. Enjoy
the rest of your day.

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
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