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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, when you hear the name John too Good, most
people will think she had guitars, drums, lots of noise
coming at you, and that'll be fair enough, because that
obviously was a thing. But John too Good has now
gone solo properly, with his first day of a solo
album out next week and a tour off the back
of that, and he's with us in studio right now.
Hey John, good morning morning to you. I'm well man,
(00:20):
thank you for coming in. How are you finding being solo?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I actually find it thrilling in the same way early
she Hard gigs were because it's like, I don't quite
know what I'm doing. There's nothing to hide behind, no
big pa, no light show, no other members of the band.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
It's just me and my guitar are made so.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
You do in the show's acoustic?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah, absolutely, because that's how all this stuff is written.
And I actually find it thrilling because it's you just
have to sing great and you have to play good,
and you have to explain what the stories are about
and the songs are about, and it's a really human experience.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Do you get any people who turn up thinking they're
going to get the sort of like loud noise, full effect,
and then you.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Know that shocked, not really because you've got to remember,
I'm fifty three now, so and so what fifty Well,
a lot of a lot of our fans of also
that age. So I think you know, they're not crowdsurfing
like they used to because they probably put their back out.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
So yeah, I think, yeah, I think everyone knows what
they're going to do.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Do you think this is a thing. I mean, this
is always like a bit of a stereotype, But do
you think it's real that the older you get, the
more you appreciate a bit of gentle music.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah, I think you know what. My first album was
Bob Marley Legend, The Best of Bob Marley, I mean,
and that has some pretty gentle music. I've always loved Melody,
like even and she hads loudest moments, there's always still
the pop element to it because I love I love melody,
and I think because I've got British parents, I have
a lot of British music as well as American music,
(01:55):
as well as a lot of New Zealand music. Yeah,
as long as the song was good. I mean, my
favorite song is a Day and Life by the Beatles,
you know. So you know, I just happened to meet
my bandmates when I was fifteen and listening to Metallica
and Slash Yeah, and that's where we started serendipity.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah, why did you decide to go solo?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
It wasn't a decision so much as three years of COVID.
I had a lot of personal carnage. I lost my
mum while I was in lockdown in Melbourne. She died
in Wellington, so I had to say goodbye on a phone,
very traumatic for me. Then I got stuck in New
Zealand on tour when the omicron happened, away from the
wife and children for three and a half months who
(02:35):
were back in Melbourne. That was really tough. Then we
moved back to Altero. My brother in law got aggressive
cancer and died really quickly. And then I caught COVID
and got a COVID complication which turned my to nightas
which is ringing in the ears, which I'd had since
I was twenty years old because I was in a
rock band, but it turned it.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Up really last.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Does COVID do that, That's what it can do. So yeah,
so it's a four fifty percent chance if you have
pre existing tonight, if you catch COVID, it can turn
it up. And it's a long COVID thing, so it
doesn't go back down again ever. Ever, So basically I've
had to learn how to live with it. It was
so loud, it was like a car alarm going off
in my head.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
You know.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I woke me up out of a dream two weeks
after catching COVID, ended up in a and E and
howick because I hadn't slept for thirty six hours.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
It was nightmarish.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
It would be especially Look, that would be terrible for anybody, right,
but that would be especially terrible for somebody who relies
on their.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Ears for this, right it's my job.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, so and also I mean, but even it was
a distracting you know, reading stories to the kids at night,
you know, like I was trying to be present with
my children and this rings going off in.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
My head and you manage it.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
So basically, someone said, after I went to the Auckland
to Night's clinic at the Auckland University, that didn't work.
I saw the top of Youano throat specialists in Toomachi, Makoto.
They gave me pre gabling, which is what they give
for people who have seizures.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
That didn't work.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
And I ended up going to see a cognitive behavioral
therapist and that is what actually got me.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
How does CBT help that?
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Okay, So basically what happens because the sound is not
coming from your ears, it's coming from your brain. So
what happened is I caught COVID. I had pre existing
damage to the top end of my hearing, which is
the high frequencies or that's an he sounds, but COVID
comes and suppresses your overall level of your hearing. So
my brain thought, oh, he's totally lost that frequency at
(04:28):
the top of his range. I need to attenuate it
up so he doesn't get eaten.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
By a lion.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
It's a real primal thing, right, So, but so the
whole thing with competitions behavior therapy is to try and
tell my brain it's okay, I'm not going to get
eaten by a lion.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
You can relax.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
And so you basically have to tell yourself this is
in your head, you don't need to worry about stuff,
and it actually brings it down.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Well, yeah, it's basically learning to accept that it's there.
And not catastrophize about it, not to worry about the future,
because if you start, it's a tension based So start
thinking about it. It turns up it's like the whole
thing about you know, if you're scared, show the dog fear.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yeah, it'll buy you.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
And so you've managed to get this thing under control.
It come back from time to time, but it's not
bothering you to the same extent.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
It's there all the time, but I've learned to live
with it and I can't accept it.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
And so all of the stuff that you're dealing with,
you think, what this is. I've got to deal with
this by myself as a solo artist, not with the band.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
So basically, the cognitive behavioral therapist said, we need to
wind your nervous system back. You can't meditate because silence
is the enemy when you have tonightis but you can
do another mindfulness technique, which is playing your guitar. So
I picked up my acoustic guitar, which is the instrument
I started on when I was seven years old. My
parents bought me a three quarter sized nylon string acoustic guitar.
It was very nostalgic for me and I just started
(05:43):
playing and I was I just played and played and
all these songs just came and it was really there
to try and help deal with this, you know, the
panic attacks being caused by tonightis. But then it ended
up being oh that was you know, I lost my mum.
That was really tough. I had to there was a
way of going through that stuff and working it out.
I've always turned to music to make sense of the world.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Do I call you former frontman if she Had or
I'm still.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Very much in she Heard? Yeah, yah, very much. This
is just my thing that I'm doing right now.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
I'm glad that you've finally cleared up after decades. For me,
it's she Hard, Yeah, she had, she Hard, she had.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yes, we were watching the eighties movie June, which was
made by David Lynch. It's sort of terrible but sort
of cool, and the battle, the name for the battle
at the end was the she Hard and we didn't
realize that Frank Herbert had taken it from the Arabic
term g Hard. We just thought it was a good
name for a spemintal band.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Oh and this is what was the complications.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yes, Yes, So we were basically seventeen year old Bogans
sitting at home watching the science fiction movie, going Wow,
that'd be a great name for a speminal band, not
thinking that that might have ramifications later on.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Who would have thought?
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Who could have predicted?
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Who thought? So?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Which is kind of interesting that you chose that because
you've ended up actually converting yourself to haven't you? I
have which has caused you to grow up? Or is
it the marriage that caused you to grow up?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I mean, you know, she's my best mate and she's
the most generous, humane, loving human being that I ever met.
And me and my atheist sort of humanist mates talked
to good game of empathy, but because we were struggling artists,
held on tightly to any money that we ever had.
Whereas watching her giving her last ten dollars away to
(07:20):
the person on the street and knowing that it's not
hers and it's going to come back in its own way,
and trusting in the universe and watching that magic work
for her, I was like, ah, I want a bit
of that.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
In my life.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Yeah, And so you got a bit of that in
your life. So you got married. Yep, kids, you converted.
I mean that's pretty grown up, now, do you it's
a completely different lifestyle i'd imagine from being a hard
rocker getting boozed and stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yeah, I mean I was never a massive boozehead. I
mean basically we were quite nerdy. I mean rock and
roll is actually revenge of the nerds. Basically we're all
the kids that got picked on because we were weirdos
and sensitive and artistic, and this was our way of,
you know, being cool, being cool, you know, and also
it gave us direction, you know, and gave us something
to think about. So we were never that massive party
(08:08):
as we were just interested in the journey of how
do you become as tight as those bands from America
and as you know, from Europe.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Which actually takes discipline and hardware.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Totally, it's all work. It's all the ten thousand hours.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
So if you're watching, like so, if I'm watching the
Ozzie Osborne's of the world and the people who make
a big charade of being absolute, you know, booze heads
and stuff, is that just all an act? Like in
order to be as big as they are Yanks, you
have to work, ou't I No.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I think Ozzie definitely punished himself without a doubt, and
you know, and it's paid for it.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
You know.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
We toured with Black Sabbath a few years back, and
you know, I just before that, I saw Bruce Springsteen
at the rod Lab Arena, same age sixty nine and
he I watched Bruce Springsteen CrowdSurf the whole length of
that arena three times in one night and play a
four hour show or something. And then Ossie shuffling around backstage.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I mean, that's not put on.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
No, no, I thought that was now, No, that's no,
that's that's a lot of damage.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
But that's you know, there's like.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Going back to what I was saying earlier, the arts
attracts people who are sensitive, and it's a hard business
to be in. So a lot of people self medicate, yeah,
just to get through, you know, and it's not realizing
that it's still pain to deferment and they're going to
have to pay for that later on. And I actually
find that now I'm straight, our shows are much more energetic,
(09:28):
much more intense. When I write, I write more honestly,
and I think the quality of works actually better.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah, so you're going to go on tour. You've actually
got quite a few gags a do you take do
you do the whole family thing to take the kids with?
Speaker 2 (09:42):
First two weekends, I'll take the whole family because it's
up to Kenny, Keddy.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
And Munga Pi and Lee for them. Yeah, it'll be great.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
It's not too far from you know, Tamakimikodo, so it's
it'll it will just jump in the car and because
it's me and the guitar, I've got space, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah, and then further afield to do it yourself.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Yeah, when we go down south, it'll just be me
in a tour manager.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Are you still enjoying it?
Speaker 3 (10:01):
I love it? Yeah, so much. I love it.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
It's like it's like when I was two years old,
I used to watch the Beatles Hard Day's Night record
go around on my parents all in one record player,
and I was just like, that is like magic? How
is that magic happening? I've spent my whole life trying
to find out how they do that, and I still
love that magic trick, you know, And performing live is
like that. It's like, can I conjure up magic with
(10:27):
this room full of people, with just this guitar in
my hand and these stories and these songs, and you
can do it?
Speaker 3 (10:32):
You know you can do it?
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Yeah, okay, So name of the album, Last of the
Lonely Gods, name of the single.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
The latest single is called Lost in My Hometown.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
You got another one coming out?
Speaker 3 (10:42):
We must do there is, yeah, another one coming.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Details to emerge obviously, And when does the tour kick off?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
On the eleventh October which is the day the album
releases and it's in Kitty Kitty Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Brilliant stuff. I hope it goes very wealthy And it's
very nice to have you in studio, John, thank me
coming in mate, Really appreciate it. John too good heading
off on tour very shortly.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Eight days?
Speaker 2 (11:01):
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