September 15, 2024 • 7 mins
There's growing concern from educational experts as more teachers are leaving Australian schools.
Over in New South Wales, PE and science teachers have been called in to plug the gaps left behind by maths teachers.
Australia correspondent Murray Olds says many educators feel like 'cannon fodder' amid poor pay and lack of respect from students and parents.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Was trighty we go Mat Murray Olds is back from holiday?
How are you, mister Hosking?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Very good morning mate, pretty well, thank you, just back
from the UK inspecting stuff for you. I was looking
at that new but Lamborghini you wanted me to look
at in that lovely pastoral blue, and I put the
order in for you.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Fantastic.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I did have a word to President Macrome when I
was in France about as new prime minister. I thought
you'd approve of that fair as much so as right
wing as you can go. Looks like a patrician, looks
like you. You'll be wearing a toga, So I think
I've done a bit of scouting on your behalf.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Ah, you've come back in a fine fettal and as
a trip out of ten ten it was the time
of your life, one you'd never go again. What was it?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Oh, it's a ten gen. I was leading a group
of listeners to my weekend radio show around the UK
and a cruise. We went over to the Western Front,
and then when they came home, we stayed on in
France and had a beautiful time in Paris.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Can you say you go around the UK and I
don't envisage people sailing around the UK because a vast amount.
It's a bit really, a sort of a bit, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
A bunch of ports. You know. We flew to London,
down to Southampton, left Southampton, around to Cork, you know, holyhead,
you get up to well where else did we stop? At? Belfast?
The Museum to the Titanic, Oceanic and Britannic, and Belfast
is next level, my goodness, if you have any interest
at all in history about the Titanic, which is endlessly fascinating.
(01:27):
That museum is a masterpiece. It's magnificent. Around the rest
of the UK, you know, down Scotland, across the LaHave
in France which and went to Money's Garden in Viiviny
which was just beautiful.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Oh fantastic.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I've got some cuttings.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Is it because your commentary has been missing in the
Australian landscape that Dutton surged in the polls?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I think so. I think so because he has He's
making every post winner. And as Peter Dutton's rising, I
know you're a fan of Dutton, I'm not. But as
Dutton's rising, the wheels are falling off Albany bit and
last Polo, because I did have one of your nerdy holidays.
I mean, I was on the net all the time
when I'm away, looking at stories and it's clear, Look,
(02:10):
alban Easy's losing a lot of paint as we get
ever closer to an election, and you know, are we
going to have an early election? It's all going to
depend on the Reserve Bank. Well, they're having a fight
with the Reserve Bank. They don't need it. Just looks
at the government's trying to bully the woman who's in
charge of the Reserve Bank, and that's not going to
go over very well.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Exactly. Firms backed by a Sydnant That's what I'm reading
while you're away. Firms backed by a Sydney underworlded Link
businessman involved in buying illegal guns in the former boss
of Victoria's Common chero Biki Gang secured critical backing from
the CFMEU, facilitating their access to major construction projects, including
taxpayer funded sites. Just when I couldn't think this whole
(02:53):
union thing gets any worse, it does, of course it does.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
And this has been going on for a long long time,
not just under Lay, it's been going on forever. But
the governments have either been complacent, reluctant to gutless, and
this has been a significant problem, adding costs to you know,
the people who are building the the construction sites, or
the governments who are actually funding a lot of these
(03:18):
projects because it's government money as well. And what you've
got is a union, say the CFMU, the construction arm
of the CVFM, that's now an administration. Of course they're
threatening to go to the High Court to challenge the
government's right to put them in administration. But you've got
endless lists of crooks. You've got blokes with more tattoos
than you can I mean, look, these blokes look responsored
(03:40):
by Walt Disney. They turned up in a building, so
they've never held a hammer.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
They would never.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Bloody clue about how to use you know, a drop sore.
But they stand around with more muscles you can imagine,
you know, getting paid. And there's clear evidence of I mean,
how about this for Hutspah. There's a dad and his
son here in Sea, the New South Wales of the
Construction of the Construction Union. Right. Dad and Dave were
(04:07):
also dismissed when the union was put into administration. The
committee running the union has authorized three and a half
million dollars of union members' funds just to be siphoned
off and parked in a trust with a local lawyer
to look after the legal fees of the father and
son are running a union. The son, I might add,
(04:28):
has never been near a building site. He is the
assistant secretary of the construction union here in New South Wales.
The old man's a builder. He's been on the union
books forever. But the sons come along as well. The
two of them have both gone, and now the union
members are about to pay the union the legal fees
of these two. You can't make it up.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
It's ridiculous, it's unreal funny enough. We had the Ministry
of Education on the program this morning and we've got
teaching problems in our system as well, and we're bringing
in teachers who've retired and bring them back into the program.
And I note that New South Wales doing exactly. It
seems to be the problem here, Murray is no one
wants to be a teacher. And is that the same
I'm assuming in New South Wales.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Look but when he teachers have paid rubbish, there's no
respect anymore. I mean, you know, we I don't know,
but I'm a little bit older than you, or more
mature than you. When when when when we were young,
you had respect for the classroom teacher, didn't you. I mean,
it was just a thing you did. You looked up
to them. Moms and dads used to go along, and
you know, the parent teacher was a big deal. These days,
(05:29):
no one gives a rats, no one cares less. And
that's such a and And teachers, particularly primary teachers, are
just like, I don't know, classroom cannon fodder. And they
are bringing in people who have retired and they're offering
them little short term contracts. And the other the other
thing that I despair about is that you've got teachers
who are completely unqualified for one area of of of teaching.
(05:53):
You know that they may have been maths teachers, they
may have been teaching history. They've been called back in
to try and teach maths and science for goodness sake,
because no one wants to be a teacher. It's just
regarded so poorly by society. Unlike Finland, which has been
toping the OECD averages for teaching outcomes for education outcomes
for kids for years and years and years, every teacher
(06:15):
in Finland has to have a master's and they are
regarded the same sort of light as doctors.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
And interestingly, civics has been mandated or will be in
the curriculum rejig in New South Wales, so they're mandating civics.
So you got to learn about how the constitution works
and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
That a bad thing either.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
I don't think it's a bad thing either, Murray. I
think you and I sat down with a couple of beers,
we could probably put the world to rights in fairly
short because notice Murray, but we're brilliant together.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Feeding into all of this, of course, is the endless
right wing whining about how you know the left is
dumbing down the classroom and you know, no one's teaching
white Australian history. It's all about Aboriginal Australian history and
the two should be taught simultaneously. And I think I
agree with that as well.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Mike. Here's the text for you. It took my kids
to the Titanic Museum in Belfast couple of months ago.
Murray's right, it's worth the trip to the UK just
for that.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Oh it's magnificent, it is. It is so beautifully done.
There's a woman, missus Rice, I forget her Christian name.
She her husband had died. She went back to the
UK decided no, no, no, she wanted to go back to
North America. Her five children and herself. The only found
her body that the little boys were never found. She's
buried in Halifax. It was beautiful.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Good morning, mate, catch up Wednesday. Always Australia for us
This Morning. For more from the mic Asking Breakfast, listen
live to news Talks it'd be from six am weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
Was trighty we go Mat Murray Olds is back from holiday?
How are you, mister Hosking?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Very good morning mate, pretty well, thank you, just back
from the UK inspecting stuff for you. I was looking
at that new but Lamborghini you wanted me to look
at in that lovely pastoral blue, and I put the
order in for you.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Fantastic.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I did have a word to President Macrome when I
was in France about as new prime minister. I thought
you'd approve of that fair as much so as right
wing as you can go. Looks like a patrician, looks
like you. You'll be wearing a toga, So I think
I've done a bit of scouting on your behalf.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Ah, you've come back in a fine fettal and as
a trip out of ten ten it was the time
of your life, one you'd never go again. What was it?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Oh, it's a ten gen. I was leading a group
of listeners to my weekend radio show around the UK
and a cruise. We went over to the Western Front,
and then when they came home, we stayed on in
France and had a beautiful time in Paris.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Can you say you go around the UK and I
don't envisage people sailing around the UK because a vast amount.
It's a bit really, a sort of a bit, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
A bunch of ports. You know. We flew to London,
down to Southampton, left Southampton, around to Cork, you know, holyhead,
you get up to well where else did we stop? At? Belfast?
The Museum to the Titanic, Oceanic and Britannic, and Belfast
is next level, my goodness, if you have any interest
at all in history about the Titanic, which is endlessly fascinating.
(01:27):
That museum is a masterpiece. It's magnificent. Around the rest
of the UK, you know, down Scotland, across the LaHave
in France which and went to Money's Garden in Viiviny
which was just beautiful.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Oh fantastic.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I've got some cuttings.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Is it because your commentary has been missing in the
Australian landscape that Dutton surged in the polls?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I think so. I think so because he has He's
making every post winner. And as Peter Dutton's rising, I
know you're a fan of Dutton, I'm not. But as
Dutton's rising, the wheels are falling off Albany bit and
last Polo, because I did have one of your nerdy holidays.
I mean, I was on the net all the time
when I'm away, looking at stories and it's clear, Look,
(02:10):
alban Easy's losing a lot of paint as we get
ever closer to an election, and you know, are we
going to have an early election? It's all going to
depend on the Reserve Bank. Well, they're having a fight
with the Reserve Bank. They don't need it. Just looks
at the government's trying to bully the woman who's in
charge of the Reserve Bank, and that's not going to
go over very well.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Exactly. Firms backed by a Sydnant That's what I'm reading
while you're away. Firms backed by a Sydney underworlded Link
businessman involved in buying illegal guns in the former boss
of Victoria's Common chero Biki Gang secured critical backing from
the CFMEU, facilitating their access to major construction projects, including
taxpayer funded sites. Just when I couldn't think this whole
(02:53):
union thing gets any worse, it does, of course it does.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
And this has been going on for a long long time,
not just under Lay, it's been going on forever. But
the governments have either been complacent, reluctant to gutless, and
this has been a significant problem, adding costs to you know,
the people who are building the the construction sites, or
the governments who are actually funding a lot of these
(03:18):
projects because it's government money as well. And what you've
got is a union, say the CFMU, the construction arm
of the CVFM, that's now an administration. Of course they're
threatening to go to the High Court to challenge the
government's right to put them in administration. But you've got
endless lists of crooks. You've got blokes with more tattoos
than you can I mean, look, these blokes look responsored
(03:40):
by Walt Disney. They turned up in a building, so
they've never held a hammer.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
They would never.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Bloody clue about how to use you know, a drop sore.
But they stand around with more muscles you can imagine,
you know, getting paid. And there's clear evidence of I mean,
how about this for Hutspah. There's a dad and his
son here in Sea, the New South Wales of the
Construction of the Construction Union. Right. Dad and Dave were
(04:07):
also dismissed when the union was put into administration. The
committee running the union has authorized three and a half
million dollars of union members' funds just to be siphoned
off and parked in a trust with a local lawyer
to look after the legal fees of the father and
son are running a union. The son, I might add,
(04:28):
has never been near a building site. He is the
assistant secretary of the construction union here in New South Wales.
The old man's a builder. He's been on the union
books forever. But the sons come along as well. The
two of them have both gone, and now the union
members are about to pay the union the legal fees
of these two. You can't make it up.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
It's ridiculous, it's unreal funny enough. We had the Ministry
of Education on the program this morning and we've got
teaching problems in our system as well, and we're bringing
in teachers who've retired and bring them back into the program.
And I note that New South Wales doing exactly. It
seems to be the problem here, Murray is no one
wants to be a teacher. And is that the same
I'm assuming in New South Wales.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Look but when he teachers have paid rubbish, there's no
respect anymore. I mean, you know, we I don't know,
but I'm a little bit older than you, or more
mature than you. When when when when we were young,
you had respect for the classroom teacher, didn't you. I mean,
it was just a thing you did. You looked up
to them. Moms and dads used to go along, and
you know, the parent teacher was a big deal. These days,
(05:29):
no one gives a rats, no one cares less. And
that's such a and And teachers, particularly primary teachers, are
just like, I don't know, classroom cannon fodder. And they
are bringing in people who have retired and they're offering
them little short term contracts. And the other the other
thing that I despair about is that you've got teachers
who are completely unqualified for one area of of of teaching.
(05:53):
You know that they may have been maths teachers, they
may have been teaching history. They've been called back in
to try and teach maths and science for goodness sake,
because no one wants to be a teacher. It's just
regarded so poorly by society. Unlike Finland, which has been
toping the OECD averages for teaching outcomes for education outcomes
for kids for years and years and years, every teacher
(06:15):
in Finland has to have a master's and they are
regarded the same sort of light as doctors.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
And interestingly, civics has been mandated or will be in
the curriculum rejig in New South Wales, so they're mandating civics.
So you got to learn about how the constitution works
and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
That a bad thing either.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
I don't think it's a bad thing either, Murray. I
think you and I sat down with a couple of beers,
we could probably put the world to rights in fairly
short because notice Murray, but we're brilliant together.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Feeding into all of this, of course, is the endless
right wing whining about how you know the left is
dumbing down the classroom and you know, no one's teaching
white Australian history. It's all about Aboriginal Australian history and
the two should be taught simultaneously. And I think I
agree with that as well.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Mike. Here's the text for you. It took my kids
to the Titanic Museum in Belfast couple of months ago.
Murray's right, it's worth the trip to the UK just
for that.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Oh it's magnificent, it is. It is so beautifully done.
There's a woman, missus Rice, I forget her Christian name.
She her husband had died. She went back to the
UK decided no, no, no, she wanted to go back to
North America. Her five children and herself. The only found
her body that the little boys were never found. She's
buried in Halifax. It was beautiful.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Good morning, mate, catch up Wednesday. Always Australia for us
This Morning. For more from the mic Asking Breakfast, listen
live to news Talks it'd be from six am weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
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