Mike Hosking was joined by Ginny Andersen and Mark Mitchell to touch on some of the biggest political stories in Politics Wednesday.
They discussed the current state of Wellington City Council, our dislike of wealthy politicians, and whether Christopher Luxon is as out of touch as the polls think he is.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Time for politics Wednesday. Jinny Anderson as well us along
with Mike Mitchell.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Good morning, Good morning, Mike, Good morning both.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Now, Jinny, are you sending a bit down?
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Ginny?
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Something gone wrong this morning? What's happened there?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
No?
Speaker 4 (00:12):
I'm good right, I've had my coffee.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
The story. How many in the morning do you have?
Speaker 4 (00:17):
Only trying to have one?
Speaker 3 (00:19):
I'm rather hyperactive already, so I keep it to two
and not anymore after one o'clock in the afternoon.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Yeah, very wise. What about you, Matt Well?
Speaker 5 (00:27):
I admire Jenny because at the end of the day,
when you wake up in the morning and realize you're in.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
The Labor Party, have you done that much?
Speaker 4 (00:34):
You wake up and thank you for the Labor Party?
That's delusional.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Imagine if you wake up in the morning mark too much?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Too much more than a bloody coffee to Copravetta.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I reckon, Now, Ginny, do you believe Kiaren macinaughty when
he doesn't want to be the leader of the party?
Speaker 4 (00:52):
I do, Indeed I did to.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Karen is a great guy, but he does not have
leadership ambitions, even though the media love to.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Keep asking him there. He simply does not.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Exactly I believe him.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
That is word.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I believe him, and I believe Barbara Edmonds when she
says it's never going to happen. So the question then
is what about you, Jennie, Do you have leadership aspirations?
Who's going to replace Chippy?
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Absolutely not me.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
No, I'm very happy with my life the way it is.
I very much enjoy the areas I work in, and
I love working as part of a great team. So no,
I have no ambition in saying.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Okay, So the fifty four percent you think you should stay,
that's probably fair because I wonder, and I wonder if
you can answer this question apolitically. Is part of the
reason he's still there, apart from the fact he probably
wants to be there, is that you don't have anybody
obvious to replace him when the time comes.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
My view is that he is the best one for
the job. When you see him and question time yesterday,
when you see how quick he is on his feet
and how able he is in the house and to
respond to issues and to know where to take us next,
He's the only one really in our with those skills
and ability any experience. Well, Mark's had a couple of
(02:05):
cracks himself at running for leaderships and he's failed on those,
So maybe he would give us some better advice on
what it's like to have a crack.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Well, aren't you dominating the segment, Jinny, because I seem
to have got my question line all muddled up here
this morning. But as as a local MP, should somebody
do something about Wellington Council?
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Look, it does seem to be problematic in terms of
some of those decisions and the way they've gone. I
really do think though the way that Simeon and Luxon
have reacted, that this is kind of distraction politics. It's
just not at that level yet of having to put
in a commissioner or do total or when you think
about Gore and there the young mea down there, I
mean that even never got close to that, even though
(02:45):
all that.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, but that's because it's not the capital.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Yes, but I don't it's not at that point anywhere near.
And my my thoughts are the reason why they're stirring
this up is because there's no theories and everyone's here
is really annoyed that still one decided, not no decision,
and there's no decision taken on there. And I still
think this is distraction politics to take people's attention.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Mar okay, fair enough, and Mark, you are wealthy? I
am led to believe this is correct.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Well, it's all relative. I mean, I've got a big mortgage.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Have you got how many towers? Has you got?
Speaker 4 (03:25):
That's what it says on the pecuniary interesting that.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
You've got to have you been reading the pecuniary interest
list again.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
I'm telling you what she stalks me.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
There's no doubt how you got how many does you
How many do you have?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I've got seven properties, I've got.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Event Sorry sorry, Okay, So you're you're comparatively speaking wealthy?
Is it important? Because I just can't get past the
subsession we seem to have in this country that Luxeon's
got a couple of flats. He's trying to fleck off
and suddenly he's out of touch. And how the two
correlate or joined together because you're wealthier than Luxan is
my guess. And we don't seem to care about that.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Well, I mean, for me, just from a young guy,
when I first joined the police at twenty, I just
saved hard and I decided that I wanted to invest
my money and property and that's been over thirty years.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
But you know, I still have mortgages.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
I still have to I still have to worry about
servicing those I've been hit like everyone else with interest
rates rises.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
And those sorts of issues.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Everyone will make their own decisions in terms of how
they save and how they plan for the future. Mine
has been through property. I don't have shares, I don't
have anything else. It's just quite simply being properly.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah, but are you out of touch because you're wealthy?
Speaker 5 (04:36):
No, absolutely not, and I don't. And look, this is
just to me, this is the most stupid debate that
we have in this country. What is the message that
we're sending to our kids. I spent ten years in
the Middle East, where they celebrated success, they helped people up,
they wanted to see them successful. In New Zealand, for
some reason, we've still got this tall poppy syndrome. We
you cut people off at the knees because they want
(04:57):
to be successful, they work hard.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
I'd like to speak to it.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I don't think there's anything wrong with working hard, saving
and doing well. And you know, when I was a
waitress we can countdown and a waitress fro When I
was fifteen and when I was nineteen, I bought a
house on my own, so and that's helped set me up.
And so we believe as a party that you should
be able to work hard and save up and buy
a house and do well. The problem with Luxen as
(05:22):
he sees things like I'm rich and I'm sorted, or
I don't care, and then it's just let me finish,
let me finish.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
It's those words. It's those words.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
At a time when New Zealanders are spending heaps on
red and groceries and they're really struggling and they're looking
for a leader for some hope or some inspiration, and
all he talks about is his own comfortableness. And that's smart.
That hurts, and so that's the point. He's rubbing it.
It feels like he's rubbing and that he's got more
than what.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Let me address it.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Not once does he ever raise or talk about his
own personal situation.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Jenny. It's when you raise it, when you get stories
in the media.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Media.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
I just said that all in these stories in the
media about it. So he doesn't talk about it all.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Does he need to let me put it on?
Speaker 4 (06:12):
He talked about being a businessman all the.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Time he does talk about that. Let me ask you
this in that case is successful? No, no, no, I get that.
Let me ask you Mark, let me ask you this
elbow yesterday buys a four point something million dollar house
and he's he's taking the same heat at the moment
that luxe and is for for whatever reason, do you
need to be smarter about it? In other words, rightly
or wrongly, if you're going to be the prime minister
(06:34):
of this country, you can't float wealth, be seen to
be wealthy in any way, shape or form, or you know,
what do you do about it? I mean, you can't.
Fifty one percent think he's out of touch.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Now.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
The problem with that is that's real.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
Yeah, And as Kiwi's neaturally, as part of who we are,
as Kiwi's we don't form that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
We don't.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
We're not out there talking about it all the time.
There's the odd person is but and he doesn't do that.
But what we should be doing a key he's is
especially for our kids, we should be encouraging them to
get a good education and to aspire to do well
in life, to work hard and to do well in life,
and not continue to see to send a message that
if you do well in life, you're going to get pillared,
You're going to get attacked, and you're going to get
(07:15):
criticized for it.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
See this is where I felt. Jenny the Two says
he doesn't come he doesn't come from. And here's the
interesting thing, Jenny, I find Key got away with it,
and Key was wealthier than anybody, and he's seemed to
get away with it. But Luxon's being picked on. And
I just can't work out why your argument would be
because he goes I'm rich and I'm sorted.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
It's because he's not genuine about it. He doesn't seem
like he.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Cares about New Zealanders and it doesn't help for him
saying I don't care. So people feel like he just
wants the top job, to say he's done it and
take a box. He's not there for the people. And
the guy in the coffee cart at the Hut market
said it to me, who's a voter National and voted
Labor in the past.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
He said, it feels like.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
They don't care about me. They just care about their mates,
and that's the impression he's giving to New Zealanders.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Well, well, I just completely reject that.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
I mean, of course, he's got lots of options in
terms of what he could do, but I'll tell you
what he is.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
He's out there.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Working twelve hour days, slogan's guts out, making hard decisions
that the previous government weren't prepared to make to get
us as a country on a better track. I've got
huge admiration for him. I've got hom in the provise
position that I get to work with him every day.
He is an outstanding man. When people meet him, they
left with that impression.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
But you know, here's problem.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Here's your problem, Mark Trade through the media.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Here's your problem. No, no, no, here's your problem. That
line was used at the very start of his campaign,
which was we haven't met him. We don't know him.
When you meet him, you like him. I think he's
met everybody, because you can't fault him for not working hard.
But at fifty one percent, the media is entitled after
a poll to goo the majority because it is don't
think he's in touch, and that, politically rightly or wrongly,
(08:52):
is a problem, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
Well, at the end of the day, people are going
to form their own views. I mean, that is politics,
But the reality is This is that even though he
is busy and is around the country, has been with
me and Dneed recently, he's still only meeting a very
small percentage of kiwis because it's just physically impossible to
get him in front of everyone. But I would say
if you went round and spoke to people that he's
One of the biggest challenges with Chris is getting him
(09:17):
away from people because he's actually interested.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
He wants to listen to them.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
Trying to get him to a next event and move
on something's virtually impossible because he's actually genuinely interested in keewis.
He wants to know their backstories, he wants to know
how they're being impacted.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
You know.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
For the example, in Dunedin the other day we walked
through the airport, he stopped for twenty minutes. He was
talking to a young couple about the education and the
hair two children and what we're doing to make the changes.
You've got to remember that we've inherited a situation where
education is a mess, or public safety is a mess.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
You know, the economy is a mess.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Which lot of things, Giny, let me put this to
you is part of what Mark's saying. Correct Peter said
it yesterday. When you've had a honeymoon of one second
and you've got on the kind of the way they have.
That's why people don't necessarily like him, because he's not delivering.
There's something in that, isn't there.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Every other PM I have seen, and I can recall,
had some kind of a honeymoon period, had some kind
of a time where they were up high in the polls,
and he never got that. And I think it speaks
to something about either the way he appeals to New
Zealanders the way he comes across, but people don't warm
to him. He seems like he's out of touch, and
(10:26):
that's coming through a fifty one percent say that in
the polls. So it doesn't matter how many people he
talks to or how much he.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Says about there was a mess before.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
If he really believes in personal responsibility, then he needs
to start owning up and taking responsibility for his own governments.
To say, and we still let me finish.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
You had a big gosh.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
He's still not.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Let me finish hospital pass from leave me.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Finished, Mark, that's not fair, you had a big go
He's still not taking responsibility and trying to pass the
buck and blame the last government.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Can we see through that and they think that he's
not real dead?
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Gotta mutter, You guys appreciate a good discussion. Mark Mitchell,
Ginny Anderson
Speaker 3 (11:03):
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Time for politics Wednesday. Jinny Anderson as well us along
with Mike Mitchell.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Good morning, Good morning, Mike, Good morning both.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Now, Jinny, are you sending a bit down?
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Ginny?
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Something gone wrong this morning? What's happened there?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
No?
Speaker 4 (00:12):
I'm good right, I've had my coffee.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
The story. How many in the morning do you have?
Speaker 4 (00:17):
Only trying to have one?
Speaker 3 (00:19):
I'm rather hyperactive already, so I keep it to two
and not anymore after one o'clock in the afternoon.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Yeah, very wise. What about you, Matt Well?
Speaker 5 (00:27):
I admire Jenny because at the end of the day,
when you wake up in the morning and realize you're in.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
The Labor Party, have you done that much?
Speaker 4 (00:34):
You wake up and thank you for the Labor Party?
That's delusional.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Imagine if you wake up in the morning mark too much?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Too much more than a bloody coffee to Copravetta.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I reckon, Now, Ginny, do you believe Kiaren macinaughty when
he doesn't want to be the leader of the party?
Speaker 4 (00:52):
I do, Indeed I did to.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Karen is a great guy, but he does not have
leadership ambitions, even though the media love to.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Keep asking him there. He simply does not.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Exactly I believe him.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
That is word.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I believe him, and I believe Barbara Edmonds when she
says it's never going to happen. So the question then
is what about you, Jennie, Do you have leadership aspirations?
Who's going to replace Chippy?
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Absolutely not me.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
No, I'm very happy with my life the way it is.
I very much enjoy the areas I work in, and
I love working as part of a great team. So no,
I have no ambition in saying.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Okay, So the fifty four percent you think you should stay,
that's probably fair because I wonder, and I wonder if
you can answer this question apolitically. Is part of the
reason he's still there, apart from the fact he probably
wants to be there, is that you don't have anybody
obvious to replace him when the time comes.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
My view is that he is the best one for
the job. When you see him and question time yesterday,
when you see how quick he is on his feet
and how able he is in the house and to
respond to issues and to know where to take us next,
He's the only one really in our with those skills
and ability any experience. Well, Mark's had a couple of
(02:05):
cracks himself at running for leaderships and he's failed on those,
So maybe he would give us some better advice on
what it's like to have a crack.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Well, aren't you dominating the segment, Jinny, because I seem
to have got my question line all muddled up here
this morning. But as as a local MP, should somebody
do something about Wellington Council?
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Look, it does seem to be problematic in terms of
some of those decisions and the way they've gone. I
really do think though the way that Simeon and Luxon
have reacted, that this is kind of distraction politics. It's
just not at that level yet of having to put
in a commissioner or do total or when you think
about Gore and there the young mea down there, I
mean that even never got close to that, even though
(02:45):
all that.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, but that's because it's not the capital.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Yes, but I don't it's not at that point anywhere near.
And my my thoughts are the reason why they're stirring
this up is because there's no theories and everyone's here
is really annoyed that still one decided, not no decision,
and there's no decision taken on there. And I still
think this is distraction politics to take people's attention.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Mar okay, fair enough, and Mark, you are wealthy? I
am led to believe this is correct.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Well, it's all relative. I mean, I've got a big mortgage.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Have you got how many towers? Has you got?
Speaker 4 (03:25):
That's what it says on the pecuniary interesting that.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
You've got to have you been reading the pecuniary interest
list again.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
I'm telling you what she stalks me.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
There's no doubt how you got how many does you
How many do you have?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I've got seven properties, I've got.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Event Sorry sorry, Okay, So you're you're comparatively speaking wealthy?
Is it important? Because I just can't get past the
subsession we seem to have in this country that Luxeon's
got a couple of flats. He's trying to fleck off
and suddenly he's out of touch. And how the two
correlate or joined together because you're wealthier than Luxan is
my guess. And we don't seem to care about that.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Well, I mean, for me, just from a young guy,
when I first joined the police at twenty, I just
saved hard and I decided that I wanted to invest
my money and property and that's been over thirty years.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
But you know, I still have mortgages.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
I still have to I still have to worry about
servicing those I've been hit like everyone else with interest
rates rises.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
And those sorts of issues.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Everyone will make their own decisions in terms of how
they save and how they plan for the future. Mine
has been through property. I don't have shares, I don't
have anything else. It's just quite simply being properly.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah, but are you out of touch because you're wealthy?
Speaker 5 (04:36):
No, absolutely not, and I don't. And look, this is
just to me, this is the most stupid debate that
we have in this country. What is the message that
we're sending to our kids. I spent ten years in
the Middle East, where they celebrated success, they helped people up,
they wanted to see them successful. In New Zealand, for
some reason, we've still got this tall poppy syndrome. We
you cut people off at the knees because they want
(04:57):
to be successful, they work hard.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
I'd like to speak to it.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I don't think there's anything wrong with working hard, saving
and doing well. And you know, when I was a
waitress we can countdown and a waitress fro When I
was fifteen and when I was nineteen, I bought a
house on my own, so and that's helped set me up.
And so we believe as a party that you should
be able to work hard and save up and buy
a house and do well. The problem with Luxen as
(05:22):
he sees things like I'm rich and I'm sorted, or
I don't care, and then it's just let me finish,
let me finish.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
It's those words. It's those words.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
At a time when New Zealanders are spending heaps on
red and groceries and they're really struggling and they're looking
for a leader for some hope or some inspiration, and
all he talks about is his own comfortableness. And that's smart.
That hurts, and so that's the point. He's rubbing it.
It feels like he's rubbing and that he's got more
than what.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Let me address it.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Not once does he ever raise or talk about his
own personal situation.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Jenny. It's when you raise it, when you get stories
in the media.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Media.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
I just said that all in these stories in the
media about it. So he doesn't talk about it all.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Does he need to let me put it on?
Speaker 4 (06:12):
He talked about being a businessman all the.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Time he does talk about that. Let me ask you
this in that case is successful? No, no, no, I get that.
Let me ask you Mark, let me ask you this
elbow yesterday buys a four point something million dollar house
and he's he's taking the same heat at the moment
that luxe and is for for whatever reason, do you
need to be smarter about it? In other words, rightly
or wrongly, if you're going to be the prime minister
(06:34):
of this country, you can't float wealth, be seen to
be wealthy in any way, shape or form, or you know,
what do you do about it? I mean, you can't.
Fifty one percent think he's out of touch.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Now.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
The problem with that is that's real.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
Yeah, And as Kiwi's neaturally, as part of who we are,
as Kiwi's we don't form that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
We don't.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
We're not out there talking about it all the time.
There's the odd person is but and he doesn't do that.
But what we should be doing a key he's is
especially for our kids, we should be encouraging them to
get a good education and to aspire to do well
in life, to work hard and to do well in life,
and not continue to see to send a message that
if you do well in life, you're going to get pillared,
You're going to get attacked, and you're going to get
(07:15):
criticized for it.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
See this is where I felt. Jenny the Two says
he doesn't come he doesn't come from. And here's the
interesting thing, Jenny, I find Key got away with it,
and Key was wealthier than anybody, and he's seemed to
get away with it. But Luxon's being picked on. And
I just can't work out why your argument would be
because he goes I'm rich and I'm sorted.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
It's because he's not genuine about it. He doesn't seem
like he.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Cares about New Zealanders and it doesn't help for him
saying I don't care. So people feel like he just
wants the top job, to say he's done it and
take a box. He's not there for the people. And
the guy in the coffee cart at the Hut market
said it to me, who's a voter National and voted
Labor in the past.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
He said, it feels like.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
They don't care about me. They just care about their mates,
and that's the impression he's giving to New Zealanders.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Well, well, I just completely reject that.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
I mean, of course, he's got lots of options in
terms of what he could do, but I'll tell you
what he is.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
He's out there.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Working twelve hour days, slogan's guts out, making hard decisions
that the previous government weren't prepared to make to get
us as a country on a better track. I've got
huge admiration for him. I've got hom in the provise
position that I get to work with him every day.
He is an outstanding man. When people meet him, they
left with that impression.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
But you know, here's problem.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Here's your problem, Mark Trade through the media.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Here's your problem. No, no, no, here's your problem. That
line was used at the very start of his campaign,
which was we haven't met him. We don't know him.
When you meet him, you like him. I think he's
met everybody, because you can't fault him for not working hard.
But at fifty one percent, the media is entitled after
a poll to goo the majority because it is don't
think he's in touch, and that, politically rightly or wrongly,
(08:52):
is a problem, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
Well, at the end of the day, people are going
to form their own views. I mean, that is politics,
But the reality is This is that even though he
is busy and is around the country, has been with
me and Dneed recently, he's still only meeting a very
small percentage of kiwis because it's just physically impossible to
get him in front of everyone. But I would say
if you went round and spoke to people that he's
One of the biggest challenges with Chris is getting him
(09:17):
away from people because he's actually interested.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
He wants to listen to them.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
Trying to get him to a next event and move
on something's virtually impossible because he's actually genuinely interested in keewis.
He wants to know their backstories, he wants to know
how they're being impacted.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
You know.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
For the example, in Dunedin the other day we walked
through the airport, he stopped for twenty minutes. He was
talking to a young couple about the education and the
hair two children and what we're doing to make the changes.
You've got to remember that we've inherited a situation where
education is a mess, or public safety is a mess.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
You know, the economy is a mess.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Which lot of things, Giny, let me put this to
you is part of what Mark's saying. Correct Peter said
it yesterday. When you've had a honeymoon of one second
and you've got on the kind of the way they have.
That's why people don't necessarily like him, because he's not delivering.
There's something in that, isn't there.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Every other PM I have seen, and I can recall,
had some kind of a honeymoon period, had some kind
of a time where they were up high in the polls,
and he never got that. And I think it speaks
to something about either the way he appeals to New
Zealanders the way he comes across, but people don't warm
to him. He seems like he's out of touch, and
(10:26):
that's coming through a fifty one percent say that in
the polls. So it doesn't matter how many people he
talks to or how much he.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Says about there was a mess before.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
If he really believes in personal responsibility, then he needs
to start owning up and taking responsibility for his own governments.
To say, and we still let me finish.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
You had a big gosh.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
He's still not.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Let me finish hospital pass from leave me.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Finished, Mark, that's not fair, you had a big go
He's still not taking responsibility and trying to pass the
buck and blame the last government.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Can we see through that and they think that he's
not real dead?
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Gotta mutter, You guys appreciate a good discussion. Mark Mitchell,
Ginny Anderson
Speaker 3 (11:03):
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