Kate Hawkesby and Tim Wilson are back once more to Wrap the Week with Mike Hosking.
They discussed going for a coffee run in the stormy weather, compulsory Shakespeare in schools, and Mike’s 25 years at Newstalk ZB.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Let's welcome to the program, Kate hawks Be and Tim Wilson.
Good morning, Good morning, good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Does that.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Go okay?
Speaker 4 (00:08):
I was just going to say, I cannot believe you
sent Sam out in this weather. Boss Auckland is experiencing
to go get you a coffee, which I see to
say was probably just blown to smithereens and freezing cold
by the time he got back with it.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
It's a very good point.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
And then what did what did? What did he get called?
After putting you first and getting that coffee? What did
you call him?
Speaker 1 (00:27):
George Russell?
Speaker 4 (00:29):
No?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I did? I said, you sound like George Russell. You're
a mona, You're a whiner. Because he came back, so
what No, just just to he came back soaked. No
he didn't. Well, he came but he claims he came
backsacked and that's what makes him George Russell esque because
he's a whiner. So what happened was we had the discussion.
Now this is where Will, our new boss, comes in,
and Will is still trying to ingratiate himself with the team.
(00:51):
So Will came in this morning, Will came up. Will
came in this morning. Because we're a clothes shop where
will came in this morning? He says, hey, guy, if
you want a coffee this morning, I'm happy to go
across and get it in the weather. And I thought,
good on them. Fair enough, because we've just had the conversation.
I said to Sam, I said, what are your feelings
visa v. Meteorological conditions and coffee? And he goes and
(01:14):
God bless Sam for the attitude. He said, I'm more
than happy to go. So at that point I went, no,
good attitude. I like it, and I said, of the two,
let's go to the closer one so that you don't
get as wet, because literally, the gap between leaving our
building and getting across the road is about three and
a half to five meters, so at pace you'd barely know.
(01:34):
It's a poor day with the atmospheric river we're experiencing
all over the country at the moment, unfortunately. So it's
all gone well until he came back and he went,
oh boy.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
It's so he didn't so he doesn't sound like that.
Let's stop it.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Then he started referring to as the bomb, the bomb, the.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Bomb, And I was the same as Sam. I didn't
know until I went out in it how bad it is.
It's really wet and blowy and miserable and horrible and wintery.
It's just random ass. And the other thing I am
deeply concerned about now is does coffee addiction? Is it
sparling a bit out of control?
Speaker 3 (02:08):
It does sound like am and mean again during fifty
eighteen fifty let's starts.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Let's break that down. Let's break that down. First of all,
the it's only on a Friday, is my secondary one
is only on a Friday. And the other one to
start the day, it's a gut cleanser, and everybody knows
cleansing your gut first thing in the morning is fantastic.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Spikes your cortisol is what it does, and you're not
meant to drink coffee on an empty stomach.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
But it's a gut down.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
First thing I thought you said it was a This
is why it's so ratty, so foul mouthed and so
unconscionable is because you're you're having cortisol for breakfast.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
As opposed to eighteen dollars for two fifty grams. And
I would argue tim in terms of coffee. In terms
of certain things in life, you go quality over quantity
or just sheer price. Certain things you go price petrols,
for example, But coffee you can go a little bit extra. Wine,
you can go a little bit extra. Cut of meat,
you can go a little bit extra because of quality.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
I'll concede that if you go and say sorry to
Sam in the break, Sorry, Sammy, I'll do it, you know, sorry.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Just as an impartial observer to all of this, I.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Was really impartial, Glenn Well.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I was feeling sorry for Sam when he first came
back and looked a little bit dragged.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah yeah, and and you're blinking and that sort of thing, gasping.
But then the very fact that he then.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Went on to tell Kate and Tim about this exactly.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
He's a whiner.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Yeah, I don't know. Sorry, he's a traitor.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Listen to in the f one George always goes the
seats really hot, seats really hot. Oh, the seats so hot,
seats so hot. I've been to scratched, I've got coffee.
I'm thinking wet, it's really cold. It's a awful, it's
a bomb. I'm ringing the Herald. Sam sounds like my
sixteen year old son Mike does a job willingly, then
whins about it. Morning. My black coffee in the morning
is a very good antioxidant for your body. Tell the
(04:10):
lady who just said it's bad on an empty stomach.
So I tell the lady, come on, this is not
a weather bomb. We better rain a little bit of wind.
No right here in Christ to Mike, beautiful Suday, we're
waiting for you to join us.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Than you can.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
We talk about twenty five years. Congratulations, like twenty five years.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I feel in this gag.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
It's it.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Can I just say, I feel like, I feel thank you,
You're very kind. I feel sort of fraudulent because it's
not sort of the complete story. It's just just at
this particular place, that's all. It's kind of I suppose that's.
I mean, no one stays anywhere for twenty five years anymore,
do they really? I guess.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
But I want to know what you were thinking that
first morning when you sat down and you're sitting there
waiting watching it tech back. You would have been quite young.
You would have been what fifteen, So what was going
through your mind?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
April?
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Well, it was April first, twenty five years ago, but
it was for Saturday morning. I was doing Saturday morning.
That was all I was doing at the time, so
I sort of probably wasn't thinking about anything. I thought, oh,
yesterday morning sounds fun to me. This could be good.
Worked out. Okay, what would what.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Would the twenty five years older Mike say to that
callow teenager?
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Now, well, he's not a callow teenager, because I'm sixty
minus twenty five. Work it out too, he was sixty
even as a teenage thirty five years old.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
I he's actually gotten younger.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
I did say earlier this morning. And it's one of
those random things. And I regard myself as blessed because
I have no real reason to understand why I got
into radio other than I thought this could be fun,
and as it turns out, it was. And also in
those days, I didn't need to do anything to get it.
I didn't need to go to a university or get
a qualification. I could just, as it turns out, I
(05:51):
could write rock eat three companies and say hey, I'm
quite interested in doing some stuff. You got anything, And
one wrote back and said, well, we've got this thing
called copywriting, which is you write ads and do a test.
And they sent me a test and I wrote some
stuff down and they gave me a seventy two percent score,
and I thought that's quite good. And then after they
gave me a seventy two percent school, they said, do
you want to come and be a junior copywriter for
(06:13):
seven and a half thousand dollars a year which was
the minimum wage at the time in nineteen eighty two.
And I said sure. And so that was the end
of that. Rest like, could you think of carry on?
Speaker 4 (06:28):
No, I was just going to say, the good thing
is that you enjoy it, like it's been fun the
whole way. I mean, COVID was testing I'll be honest,
that tested us. I don't know that broadcasting during COVID
was a fun time. That was a challenge. Good for
the ratings and you wanted to tear your hair out, Yeah,
good for rating.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
But it was hard yards.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
But it was hard yard. Everything was hard yards for COVID.
But I got I just I just My main point
was I worry for people who have regret in something
that you spend so much time doing. You know, it's
not like it's like I played golf and I regret it,
like whippy, do you know this is your whole life.
This is like eight hours plus per day for forty
(07:05):
plus years. And how is it you possibly immersed in
something you're busy regretting. I mean, what's the point of that. Well,
a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Don't have other options and choices. I mean, you're self said,
if you didn't do this, you have no idea what
else you would possibly do, and that for a lot
of people.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yeah, but if I was forced, I'd do something. So
in other words, i'd been a disaster, or halfway through
I'd gone, this is absolute crap. This is I've got
to go. I would find something, and I probably would
discover I like it. And you're right, I mean.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
You have in real estate.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Working in a wine shop.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah, see, that's what the problem. I'd work in a
Maine shop, or I would make you go, or I'd
go work on the land or something like that.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
You'd be a lawnmower, you'd do people's lorns on the
ride on. You'd be happy to do that.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
I've watched it.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
I would just say my highlight of the week and
my person of the week. I don't know that you
played it on your show, but Whinston Peter's calling the
reporter a dickhead this week? Are we at Pete Winston?
Because I think I railed against him big time during
the election campaign. I thought he was just bad news,
bad news. Didn't want to borrow it. The sign of
an intelligent curious mind is someone who's able to be
(08:13):
open minded enough to change their mind. And I've completely
come full circle and I just now I just love
everything he does. And when he turns around and calls
the reporter a dickhead, I thought, this is just he
is at his peak, isn't he could?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I think, do you know what it is? He's found
his purpose and he's worked out two things. One this
is his final chance to look like a statesman. And
he's found his purpose. And he's on a plane every
second day, wandering around the world, having the time of
his life. And he's got a good work ethic, and
he's on a good diet. And he's turning eighty and
he's thinking, man, I never thought i'd be here at
the age of eighty. Good on me. And he's on
a roll.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
He's very impressive for eighty.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
That's fair. Sure, he sure is. He's a testament to
Benson and Hedges and good Scott.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Well isn't it. Because my understanding I'm getting the morning
I think he I think he's given up smoking. I
might be wrong. And I was also told he'd pretty
much given up drinking. No one really gives up drinking.
But he's certainly given up drinking. He certainly hasn't turned
up on this program. And this is the advantage of
having been around for forty four years. He used to
(09:14):
turn up on early morning programs like you knew full
well that the green parrot had had a good night,
and whereas these days you just don't hear it. He's
too busy, too diligent, working too hard.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Age producers wisdom. It's actually why do we venerate the young?
Speaker 4 (09:30):
And you're talking about people who stay in the same job.
I mean, you know you've got to take your hat
off to him, don't you.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah, Because I would argue he's got other stuff. You
could say, are so good. No, he could he could,
for example, go back to law, or you could argue
he's trapped in politics and you can't give up the
power or whatever. But he's got other fish to fry.
Whereas you can look at some of them and go
you literally wouldn't find a job if you weren't here,
(09:56):
Whereas I think that doesn't apply to him. He's obviously
making a contribution.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
And courageous too, like calling out that Benjamin Doyle those
Instagram posts absolutely correct.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah, well that comes from the fact that he's got
nothing left to lose, Like, you know, take me for
what I am, what I am like, love it, I
hate it I am And I like that quick word
Tim about Shakespeare and compulsion in school. You comfortable with
that or not?
Speaker 3 (10:22):
No? Absolutely, absolutely, And there was a comment sort of yes, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
there was a comment about, oh, you know, they may
not be able to get it. But like my English teacher,
the aged thirteen made me read ts Eliot's The Wasteland
and it just blew my head apart and created this
affection for words that i'd sort of not really quite understood,
(10:45):
but it crystallized it for me. And so that that's
such a gift. I think there's a gift there waiting
to be unpacked, and if it has to be compelled,
compel it.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Caddie.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Yeah, I'm not a fan of compulsion for kids at
high school because I think if you are forced to
do something, it's often not enjoyable for you, and you
rail against it. And I think you know all of
those of us who were made to do Latin. Personally,
I enjoyed it, but there were a lot of people
who did it.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
You know.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Don't like being forced to do things. But Shakespeare, I
think we don't give enough.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
To make an exception.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Yeah, yeah, I don't make an exception, but I do
think that it's I mean, our daughter, for example, she
did extra curricular Shakespeare. She enjoyed it so much. Wow,
when I did extra Shakespeare workshops and plays. I mean, it's.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Funny you should say that I didn't know that. How
much else goes on at home that I got no idea?
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Oh my gosh, it was major. Do you want a
prize for it?
Speaker 3 (11:35):
I remember that.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
I didn't realize it was Shakespeare. I thought it was
something else. Anyway, listen, I got to mond of you guys.
I could stay here and talk to you forever, but
unfortunately other things prevent me from doing so.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to
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the podcast on iHeartRadio.
Let's welcome to the program, Kate hawks Be and Tim Wilson.
Good morning, Good morning, good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Does that.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Go okay?
Speaker 4 (00:08):
I was just going to say, I cannot believe you
sent Sam out in this weather. Boss Auckland is experiencing
to go get you a coffee, which I see to
say was probably just blown to smithereens and freezing cold
by the time he got back with it.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
It's a very good point.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
And then what did what did? What did he get called?
After putting you first and getting that coffee? What did
you call him?
Speaker 1 (00:27):
George Russell?
Speaker 4 (00:29):
No?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I did? I said, you sound like George Russell. You're
a mona, You're a whiner. Because he came back, so
what No, just just to he came back soaked. No
he didn't. Well, he came but he claims he came
backsacked and that's what makes him George Russell esque because
he's a whiner. So what happened was we had the discussion.
Now this is where Will, our new boss, comes in,
and Will is still trying to ingratiate himself with the team.
(00:51):
So Will came in this morning, Will came up. Will
came in this morning. Because we're a clothes shop where
will came in this morning? He says, hey, guy, if
you want a coffee this morning, I'm happy to go
across and get it in the weather. And I thought,
good on them. Fair enough, because we've just had the conversation.
I said to Sam, I said, what are your feelings
visa v. Meteorological conditions and coffee? And he goes and
(01:14):
God bless Sam for the attitude. He said, I'm more
than happy to go. So at that point I went, no,
good attitude. I like it, and I said, of the two,
let's go to the closer one so that you don't
get as wet, because literally, the gap between leaving our
building and getting across the road is about three and
a half to five meters, so at pace you'd barely know.
(01:34):
It's a poor day with the atmospheric river we're experiencing
all over the country at the moment, unfortunately. So it's
all gone well until he came back and he went,
oh boy.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
It's so he didn't so he doesn't sound like that.
Let's stop it.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Then he started referring to as the bomb, the bomb, the.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Bomb, And I was the same as Sam. I didn't
know until I went out in it how bad it is.
It's really wet and blowy and miserable and horrible and wintery.
It's just random ass. And the other thing I am
deeply concerned about now is does coffee addiction? Is it
sparling a bit out of control?
Speaker 3 (02:08):
It does sound like am and mean again during fifty
eighteen fifty let's starts.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Let's break that down. Let's break that down. First of all,
the it's only on a Friday, is my secondary one
is only on a Friday. And the other one to
start the day, it's a gut cleanser, and everybody knows
cleansing your gut first thing in the morning is fantastic.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Spikes your cortisol is what it does, and you're not
meant to drink coffee on an empty stomach.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
But it's a gut down.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
First thing I thought you said it was a This
is why it's so ratty, so foul mouthed and so
unconscionable is because you're you're having cortisol for breakfast.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
As opposed to eighteen dollars for two fifty grams. And
I would argue tim in terms of coffee. In terms
of certain things in life, you go quality over quantity
or just sheer price. Certain things you go price petrols,
for example, But coffee you can go a little bit extra. Wine,
you can go a little bit extra. Cut of meat,
you can go a little bit extra because of quality.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
I'll concede that if you go and say sorry to
Sam in the break, Sorry, Sammy, I'll do it, you know, sorry.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Just as an impartial observer to all of this, I.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Was really impartial, Glenn Well.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I was feeling sorry for Sam when he first came
back and looked a little bit dragged.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah yeah, and and you're blinking and that sort of thing, gasping.
But then the very fact that he then.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Went on to tell Kate and Tim about this exactly.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
He's a whiner.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Yeah, I don't know. Sorry, he's a traitor.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Listen to in the f one George always goes the
seats really hot, seats really hot. Oh, the seats so hot,
seats so hot. I've been to scratched, I've got coffee.
I'm thinking wet, it's really cold. It's a awful, it's
a bomb. I'm ringing the Herald. Sam sounds like my
sixteen year old son Mike does a job willingly, then
whins about it. Morning. My black coffee in the morning
is a very good antioxidant for your body. Tell the
(04:10):
lady who just said it's bad on an empty stomach.
So I tell the lady, come on, this is not
a weather bomb. We better rain a little bit of wind.
No right here in Christ to Mike, beautiful Suday, we're
waiting for you to join us.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Than you can.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
We talk about twenty five years. Congratulations, like twenty five years.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I feel in this gag.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
It's it.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Can I just say, I feel like, I feel thank you,
You're very kind. I feel sort of fraudulent because it's
not sort of the complete story. It's just just at
this particular place, that's all. It's kind of I suppose that's.
I mean, no one stays anywhere for twenty five years anymore,
do they really? I guess.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
But I want to know what you were thinking that
first morning when you sat down and you're sitting there
waiting watching it tech back. You would have been quite young.
You would have been what fifteen, So what was going
through your mind?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
April?
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Well, it was April first, twenty five years ago, but
it was for Saturday morning. I was doing Saturday morning.
That was all I was doing at the time, so
I sort of probably wasn't thinking about anything. I thought, oh,
yesterday morning sounds fun to me. This could be good.
Worked out. Okay, what would what.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Would the twenty five years older Mike say to that
callow teenager?
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Now, well, he's not a callow teenager, because I'm sixty
minus twenty five. Work it out too, he was sixty
even as a teenage thirty five years old.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
I he's actually gotten younger.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
I did say earlier this morning. And it's one of
those random things. And I regard myself as blessed because
I have no real reason to understand why I got
into radio other than I thought this could be fun,
and as it turns out, it was. And also in
those days, I didn't need to do anything to get it.
I didn't need to go to a university or get
a qualification. I could just, as it turns out, I
(05:51):
could write rock eat three companies and say hey, I'm
quite interested in doing some stuff. You got anything, And
one wrote back and said, well, we've got this thing
called copywriting, which is you write ads and do a test.
And they sent me a test and I wrote some
stuff down and they gave me a seventy two percent score,
and I thought that's quite good. And then after they
gave me a seventy two percent school, they said, do
you want to come and be a junior copywriter for
(06:13):
seven and a half thousand dollars a year which was
the minimum wage at the time in nineteen eighty two.
And I said sure. And so that was the end
of that. Rest like, could you think of carry on?
Speaker 4 (06:28):
No, I was just going to say, the good thing
is that you enjoy it, like it's been fun the
whole way. I mean, COVID was testing I'll be honest,
that tested us. I don't know that broadcasting during COVID
was a fun time. That was a challenge. Good for
the ratings and you wanted to tear your hair out, Yeah,
good for rating.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
But it was hard yards.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
But it was hard yard. Everything was hard yards for COVID.
But I got I just I just My main point
was I worry for people who have regret in something
that you spend so much time doing. You know, it's
not like it's like I played golf and I regret it,
like whippy, do you know this is your whole life.
This is like eight hours plus per day for forty
(07:05):
plus years. And how is it you possibly immersed in
something you're busy regretting. I mean, what's the point of that. Well,
a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Don't have other options and choices. I mean, you're self said,
if you didn't do this, you have no idea what
else you would possibly do, and that for a lot
of people.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yeah, but if I was forced, I'd do something. So
in other words, i'd been a disaster, or halfway through
I'd gone, this is absolute crap. This is I've got
to go. I would find something, and I probably would
discover I like it. And you're right, I mean.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
You have in real estate.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Working in a wine shop.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah, see, that's what the problem. I'd work in a
Maine shop, or I would make you go, or I'd
go work on the land or something like that.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
You'd be a lawnmower, you'd do people's lorns on the
ride on. You'd be happy to do that.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
I've watched it.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
I would just say my highlight of the week and
my person of the week. I don't know that you
played it on your show, but Whinston Peter's calling the
reporter a dickhead this week? Are we at Pete Winston?
Because I think I railed against him big time during
the election campaign. I thought he was just bad news,
bad news. Didn't want to borrow it. The sign of
an intelligent curious mind is someone who's able to be
(08:13):
open minded enough to change their mind. And I've completely
come full circle and I just now I just love
everything he does. And when he turns around and calls
the reporter a dickhead, I thought, this is just he
is at his peak, isn't he could?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I think, do you know what it is? He's found
his purpose and he's worked out two things. One this
is his final chance to look like a statesman. And
he's found his purpose. And he's on a plane every
second day, wandering around the world, having the time of
his life. And he's got a good work ethic, and
he's on a good diet. And he's turning eighty and
he's thinking, man, I never thought i'd be here at
the age of eighty. Good on me. And he's on
a roll.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
He's very impressive for eighty.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
That's fair. Sure, he sure is. He's a testament to
Benson and Hedges and good Scott.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Well isn't it. Because my understanding I'm getting the morning
I think he I think he's given up smoking. I
might be wrong. And I was also told he'd pretty
much given up drinking. No one really gives up drinking.
But he's certainly given up drinking. He certainly hasn't turned
up on this program. And this is the advantage of
having been around for forty four years. He used to
(09:14):
turn up on early morning programs like you knew full
well that the green parrot had had a good night,
and whereas these days you just don't hear it. He's
too busy, too diligent, working too hard.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Age producers wisdom. It's actually why do we venerate the young?
Speaker 4 (09:30):
And you're talking about people who stay in the same job.
I mean, you know you've got to take your hat
off to him, don't you.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah, Because I would argue he's got other stuff. You
could say, are so good. No, he could he could,
for example, go back to law, or you could argue
he's trapped in politics and you can't give up the
power or whatever. But he's got other fish to fry.
Whereas you can look at some of them and go
you literally wouldn't find a job if you weren't here,
(09:56):
Whereas I think that doesn't apply to him. He's obviously
making a contribution.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
And courageous too, like calling out that Benjamin Doyle those
Instagram posts absolutely correct.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah, well that comes from the fact that he's got
nothing left to lose, Like, you know, take me for
what I am, what I am like, love it, I
hate it I am And I like that quick word
Tim about Shakespeare and compulsion in school. You comfortable with
that or not?
Speaker 3 (10:22):
No? Absolutely, absolutely, And there was a comment sort of yes, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
there was a comment about, oh, you know, they may
not be able to get it. But like my English teacher,
the aged thirteen made me read ts Eliot's The Wasteland
and it just blew my head apart and created this
affection for words that i'd sort of not really quite understood,
(10:45):
but it crystallized it for me. And so that that's
such a gift. I think there's a gift there waiting
to be unpacked, and if it has to be compelled,
compel it.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Caddie.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Yeah, I'm not a fan of compulsion for kids at
high school because I think if you are forced to
do something, it's often not enjoyable for you, and you
rail against it. And I think you know all of
those of us who were made to do Latin. Personally,
I enjoyed it, but there were a lot of people
who did it.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
You know.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Don't like being forced to do things. But Shakespeare, I
think we don't give enough.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
To make an exception.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Yeah, yeah, I don't make an exception, but I do
think that it's I mean, our daughter, for example, she
did extra curricular Shakespeare. She enjoyed it so much. Wow,
when I did extra Shakespeare workshops and plays. I mean, it's.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Funny you should say that I didn't know that. How
much else goes on at home that I got no idea?
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Oh my gosh, it was major. Do you want a
prize for it?
Speaker 3 (11:35):
I remember that.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
I didn't realize it was Shakespeare. I thought it was
something else. Anyway, listen, I got to mond of you guys.
I could stay here and talk to you forever, but
unfortunately other things prevent me from doing so.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
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