Full Show Podcast: 06 April 2025

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Speaker 8 (01:38):
Well, A very good morning and welcome along to the
Resident Builder on Sunday. You're with me, Peter wolf Camp,
the Resident Builder, and this is an opportunity to talk
all things building and construction. And can I say right
now in terms of the I guess the political, the governmental,
the regulatory side of things. Announcements are coming thick and

(01:59):
fast from the current government around a whole bunch of
building issues and even in the last forty eight or so,
quite a big story about the maximum size of a
granny flat that can be built in the backyard of
an existing property has been settled on at around at

(02:19):
seventy square meters. There's a lot to unpack it just
in that story alone. On top of recent announcements, A
couple of days prior to that, Chris Penk did a
couple of little videos talking about cowboy builders and what
they hope to be able to do around lbps that

(02:40):
are not performing particularly well. So that's a whole new topic.
Prior to that was announcements about the government sort of
having an oversight into the effectiveness the efficiency of building
consent authorities basically councils, and how they process building consents.
It's been identified that that's often a bit of a

(03:01):
source for some delay in terms of getting new houses
or renovations done. Is it takes too long to get
a building consent, so it's just announcement upon announcement, upon
announcement upon announcements. A lot of that is I think
really good in the sense that we're moving, but there's
quite a lot to it, and there's a bit to
unpick and who better to talk to about these things
than the Minister himself. So Chris Pink is going to

(03:24):
join me on the program after eight o'clock, fairly briefly,
because I've said to him, let's just talk about the
BCAS and now we'll talk a little bit about this
announcement about Cowboy Builders, and then we will actually get
him back into the studio in maybe a month's time
or so and do some talk back. So he's happy

(03:44):
to take your calls in about a month's time, so
we'll do that. But today on the program after eight o'clock,
the Minister for Building and Construction, Chris Pink, will be
on the line and we'll have a bit of a
chat about a couple of things, particularly BCAS. Between now
and then. Obviously it's an opportunity for you to have
your say and to talk about issues that are important

(04:06):
to you in terms of construction, renovations, alterations, maybe legislations,
maybe product selection. There is a lot to talk about,
and of course today we're we're all bouncing around. I
woke at my normal time about sort of five o'clock
in the morning without the alarm and thought, oh goody,

(04:27):
I've got an extra hours sleep. So yes, it is
daylight saving or we've moved out of daylight saving back
into regular time, so it's eleven minutes after six or
coming up eleven minutes after six. We can take your
calls right now. So oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number you can text. Of course, that's nine
two nine two, And if you'd like to email me,
it is Pete at newstalk SDB dot co dot N

(04:49):
said so at just after eleven minutes after six on
this the sixth day of April. What's on your mind?
What are you thinking about? I was down in Tolpool
yesterday for the Home and Garden Show. I shot down
on Friday in kind of quite miserable conditions to be
fair for much of the Upper North Island, so a
slow trip tootling along down to Toulpo, stayed overnight, had

(05:14):
an event on Friday night, spent quite a bit of
time at the Home and Garden Show, which is on
at the Great Lake Center still on today. Actually it'll
be a much more pleasant day today than it was
on Friday. Yesterday was pretty good as well, beautiful sunshine
just to completely from when I went to bed, when
I woke up and I was staying quite near the
lake front. Completely different outset or outlook from the window.

(05:35):
So beautiful day in Tolpo yesterday, but an opportunity to
talk to a whole bunch of people, whether it was
like there was a bunch of exhibitors, a couple of
people involved in housing companies, and just being able to
have conversations around you know, what does the market look like,
what's happening with your clients? Where what are clients wanting.

(05:56):
There's a couple of people there involved. I had a
bit of time with Ian Chamberlain, who's running a small
ishue a reasonably large building company out of Tolpo, and
he's involved with New Zealand certified builders as well, so
we had quite a good catch up around what client
expectations are in terms of are we seeing people moving

(06:17):
towards making more informed decisions around building energy efficient homes,
building more sustainable homes, looking for air tightness, looking for
air quality, thinking about the thermal performance of the home,
or are we still seeing people just wanting what we've
always had. So that was interesting to talk about changes

(06:38):
in legislation, talk about the impact of what's self certification
going to look like for the industry, what's going to
happen when, as was announced on Friday, potentially you can
build seventy square meters. Seventy square meters is not a
small building. Some years ago we lived in a little

(06:58):
bricantile unit and that was fifty square meters and we
lived there for a number of years. So seventy square
meters in the without necessarily requiring a building consent is
quite a big building with no oversight from council. So
that that's a whole topic to unpack with the minister.

(07:20):
But I'm going to park that for now and just
focus on the topics that we'd agreed to talk about.
But like I say, the Minister at Chris Pink wants
to come back into the studio, I'd like to come
in and have a chat with you. So we're going
to do some talk back within a month, I would say,
I'll get that sorted out today, right, let's get into it.
It's because we're all up and about. It's daylight savings ended,

(07:43):
so we're all ahead of our sales by an hour.
Our eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. You can call right now. We've got a
couple of interviews to do during the show. Red Climb
passed as always, will join us at eight thirty as well,
and we've got a bit of a giveaway as well,
just quietly, so we'll do that with it at around
eight thirty through till nine o'clock this morning. So a

(08:04):
very good morning to you. Welcome along to the show.
Let's get stuck in anything that you'd like to talk
about with regard to building construction regulations, product product selection compliance.
It's all on the table. We can talk about it all. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty before the break, A
couple of quick texts, Oh, this is a good one

(08:27):
from Doug and Taranaki. Hey Pete, is it all right
if I get a sparky to run power to an
unconsented pole shed? Thanks? Love the show. Not appreciate you
calling or texting Doug. Yes, I don't see why you're
electrician can't run power obviously. See this is the interesting
thing with electricians. Gas fitter is electricians and gas fitter

(08:51):
is prenominantly they are self certifying, right, so they need
to comply with the regulations, but they then regulate themselves
or they have to ensure that their work is compliant
so in terms of doing it to code and to
the appropriate standards. So yes, they could do it. But

(09:12):
for example, if it is going to be run out there,
is it going to go overhead, in which case I'm
sure there's regulations about that. Is it going to go
underground in case then there are definitely regulations around how
deep the trench has to be, what type of cable
goes into it, whether it needs to be in conduit, etc.
Do you put in a sub board into the shed,

(09:34):
which is again I'm not a sparky, but I certainly
would so I'd run a decent sized mane out there,
put a subboard in there, and then whatever wiring has
done inside the shed would need to be appropriate, and
you'd probably want to put an extra breaker on the
board inside the house to ensure that all of that's
just on one circuit. But yeah, I mean, look, if

(09:55):
you're sparky, your electrician is prepared to do it, and
they do it according to their own regulations, then yes,
absolutely you can do that. There's no one to go
to consent get that done. Basically, I'm moving into a
new house before the final inspection, still needs some decks
to complete. Is it the contract works insurance will need

(10:16):
to modify or to get another policy through our normal insurer. Well,
perfect timing for your question, Nick, because I had the
opportunity to spend quite a bit of time discussing the
sorts of insurances that you need for renovations and new
builds with an insurance specialist during the course of the week.

(10:39):
And to be fair, I would have thought that moving
in before a new house, like you've obviously moved in
but you haven't settled, because a developer is effectively not
allowed to sell a house without a code of compliance,
and you won't have a code of compliance if you
haven't had a final inspection. So are you moving in

(10:59):
and renting or are you moving in and you've purchased it,
but you've purchased a new house from a developer without
a code of compliance. Just for clarity, you can buy
an existing house. This my understanding. You can buy an
existing house if it doesn't have a code of compliance.
Let's say it had a consent from a couple of
years ago and never got signed off and it didn't

(11:20):
get CCC. You can buy that. But developers who are
building to sell must have a code of compliance before
they sell that property. So I think there might be
a little bit more in that question than a peers.
We will take a short break. We're going to jump
into the calls in just a moment. If you'd like
to join us. I'd love to hear from you this morning,

(11:40):
as I do every Sunday morning. Eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to court. Might be too
early to do a little shout out too. A delightful
couple that I met yesterday tootling back from Topo. There's
State Highway one north of Topo is closed for repairs
or rebuilding, and I did all these detours on my

(12:01):
way down, and on the way back I thought, I'm
not going to bother with the detours. I'll just do
a big loop sort of through a keynot kihi kihi
tawamutu o'halpo and round the back of Hamilton, join up
sort of a round Frankton there, which was a lovely
drive through the countryside to be fair. And as I
was going through Halpo, I saw a little store on
the side that had electic curiosities or electic antiques I

(12:24):
think it's called and thought oh, that sounds like a
bit of me. So wanderdon had a mooch around. Fantastic
little and I love antique stores, secondhand stores, so they
had a mooch around, and on my way out said
thank you very much, enjoy the store, and got talking
to the owners who were just delightful, I have to say,
and we knew some people and da da dah. It

(12:44):
was great fun. Anyway. So ohipo. It's on the main
road as you go through. Fantastic little store and just
the most delightful owners as well. So thanks for your
time yesterday. Really enjoyed the store, RIGHTO. Nineteen minutes after six,
the lines are open. Let's take a break, then we'll
come back. We're into it. Oh eight hundred and eighty
teen eighty the number helping.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
You get those di wipe projects done. Right to the
resident builder with Beata Wolfcat call us talk zb righty.

Speaker 8 (13:14):
Oh a quick text just before we rip into it morning, Pete,
you said no oversight by council. My reaction to that
is that's good to get them out of the picture.
I've spent over thirty years in the industry as a
small player, but I've always found counsel to be heavily
bureaucratic and stifling. Many projects I've wanted to do have
been ruined or blocked by a myroad of reasons. Thank you, David.

(13:34):
And to be fair, I spent a bit of last
night reading through a very well informed, very well thought
out response to the possibility of sort of seventy square
meter granny flats being built without the involvement of council
and all of the concerns about that. So I think

(13:55):
this is going to be a good little battleground for
quite a while for those people in favor and those
people deeply concerned about the possibility that you know, significant
because seventy square meters is not small, right, and being
built without necessarily with all of the responsibility being put

(14:17):
onto the individuals involved who might not be completely competent. Possibly,
But hey, look, I take your point, and I appreciate you.
Call Pete. Good morning to you. Hello, Pink, Hey, now
are you very well in yourself?

Speaker 4 (14:38):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (14:39):
Wonderful?

Speaker 8 (14:39):
Good?

Speaker 6 (14:40):
Even better after an extra our sleep. Yeah, Peter, I've
just moved into a new property just north of Levin
and had the opportunity now with a wonderful north facing
aspect to put some smaller panels on the roof of
this house and viewing this process as an investment in

(15:02):
that the one proposal I've had suggests that I should
get about ten return on the investment in solar panels,
not including a battery at the stage. But I've seen
a recent video about longer term problems with the installation
process of the panels on various styles of roof in

(15:26):
particular tile roofs, where over time there is a very
fine line between getting the height right of the bracket
in between the tiles and where it's attached to the
i'll call it the rafters, and the amount of force
that can either crack tiles or leave gaps that will
allow water to run by capillary action back up and

(15:50):
cause leaks. The particular roof on this house is a
metal tile roof, And I'm just wondering, if you've come
across this problem, if you have any advice on what
I should be asking installers about in terms of what
they're going to do in terms of making sure we
don't get long term leeks.

Speaker 8 (16:09):
Yeah. Sure, no, really good question and good to have
those concerns, because I guess you know, if you're looking
at kind of more conventional long run, whether it's a
corrugated profile or a trim deck or a trade deck
or whatever, where we're kind of used to working with
those sorts of profiles. Whereas when you say metal tile,
is it a like Gerrard fairly recent? Metal tile is

(16:32):
an older dechromastic roof what's the vintage of that?

Speaker 6 (16:37):
It's the vintage is probably about nineteen twenty four, and
it's the Sorry, what am I talking about? Two thousand
and going to.

Speaker 8 (16:49):
Say nineteen twenty four? I don't think so, but anyway, yeah, yeah, yeah,
so it's a bit later than that.

Speaker 6 (16:54):
My apologies, you're not working at the morning yet. Sure,
so that should have read two thousand and four. So
the house is about one years old?

Speaker 8 (17:04):
Yeah, all right, And so the metal tile profile doesn't
have the stone chip embedded in them? No, okay, yep.
I guess the challenge for that is if you fix
through the pan, which is closest to the baton underneath,
then you're also fixing where the water is going to be.

(17:26):
Fixing through the rib on the top is depending on
exactly the profile, So some of them sort of have
the pan and then it rises then there's a little
dip and then a crest and then a dip and
then it goes down into the next pan. So it's
like three ridges in a row with two troughs. Now,
that's the strongest part of the tile, the metal profile tile,

(17:52):
but it's also very difficult to seal that because you've
got those little grooves in it. Look, I think really
it's the sort of thing that when the installer comes,
you've obviously, I think the great thing is you've identified
a real, a genuine issue in terms of how are
you going to seal the roof? Right. So again, if

(18:12):
we're talking more conventional long run profiles, whether it's corrugated
where you've got a smooth transfer between ridge and trough
and so on, we know that if we fix through
the top and we put an EDPM washer or a
neoprene RuSHA underneath the fixings, that will seal the penetration.
And because it's on the top border tends to run off. Absolutely,

(18:33):
you know that's the thing. Whereas that's not the case.
So look, there will be a solution for it, but
you've you've got to well, you will ask the right
questions and you'll also you know, be. You can judge
it for yourself as to whether or not you feel
at the person giving you the answer actually really knows

(18:56):
what they're talking about.

Speaker 6 (18:58):
Yeah, okay, So, having been in the aluminium joinery manufacturing
and installation business myself some years ago, I'm just wondering
if there's any standard that appliers, any best practice that
appliers that could be used to say, hey, how are
you complying with us?

Speaker 8 (19:17):
It's a very good question actually, look to be fair,
I spent quite a bit of time with a solar
installer at the home show yesterday in Telpo, and I've
got a sort of follow up meeting booked with them
sometime in the next couple of weeks. So, but whether
or not there is a code of practice or a

(19:38):
best practice guide for solar installation, I'm not sure whether
there's like a solar installers association, you know, but like
roofing Association or something like that. To you, blunt, I'm
not sure. I'm sure that each of them have their
own sort of you know, standard operating procedures. This is
what we do in this roof, this is what we

(19:58):
do in another one. Whether there is an agreed code
to be fair. I don't know, no one's ever asked
me the question, but I'm happy to look into it. Yeah,
I need to move on, but just quickly, you talk
about a ten percent return, how do you what's the
metric for that? How do you determine that?

Speaker 6 (20:20):
Okay, so you're looking at about and I'll just use
very rough term figures here, you're looking at about a
capital investment of about twenty thousand dollars approximately, and in
terms of a return, it is a reduction in your
power bill of about two thousand dollars a year kense
year return.

Speaker 8 (20:42):
Although you've got the you've got to repay the capital investment.

Speaker 6 (20:46):
So yeah, I think of it more in the way
if you buy shares in the share market, you make
a capital investment in those shares, and you're looking for
an expected return in terms of dividends and capital gain.

Speaker 8 (20:59):
Yeah, fair enough, I get that.

Speaker 6 (21:01):
So again, this is the same sort of point. So
it's it does make lot of sense in terms of
with you use someone else's money or whether you use
your own money. It's still an investment as such. I'll
tell you what I'm setting inside the fact.

Speaker 8 (21:15):
What I found really fascinating with the whole soular thing
is that you know, I can recall being involved in
their installation, let's say fifteen or even twenty years ago, right,
And at that point, one of the real issues was
that typically it was about seven to ten years before

(21:35):
you got your money back on your investment, right, so
the savings paid for the investment and thereafter effectively was
free power. But back then, what I found is that
the panels often had a lifetime of about seven to
ten years, in which case just at the point that
you were getting some money back on them, they'd basically

(21:55):
turn their toes up and you'd have to replace them,
which I always thought that's not a great investment. But
and I was looking at some panels yesterday, thirty year
warranty on the panels, and after thirty years they'll be
performing at eighty two percent or something like that. So
that that's in and of itself, the efficiency and the
longevity of the panels, I think changes the metric quite significantly.

(22:22):
And look, I tell you what I will. I will
make sure that I mentioned to James, who I'm going
to catch up with to talk about that, and when
I do, I'll mention it. And if you've got some
more information, feel free to give us a call back. Pete,
thank you very very much for your call. Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty six thirty two, and Bob,
good morning, good.

Speaker 5 (22:41):
Morning, good morning. I would just like the comparison between
real wood in an older home with you know, of
the flooring, as opposed to artificial or stuff that you
buy from the flooring shop, which would wear and tear better.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Ah. Okay, I've been into.

Speaker 5 (23:05):
An older home. It's had beautiful wooden flooring beautifully done,
and it's gone very scratchy, very marked, And how often
would you need to re do that as opposed to
stuff that's I presume it's artificial and that you lay

(23:27):
directly onto the concrete floor that you're going to put
in this home, right, craky.

Speaker 8 (23:34):
I mean, there's there's so many different elements there, and
some of it might start with esthetics.

Speaker 6 (23:41):
Right.

Speaker 8 (23:42):
So, if for example, it's an existing older home, you
know any eear up to sort of the nineteen fifties,
typically we did strip flooring. Whether that was if you
go back to villas, they were typically cowry. If you
go into bungalows, they start to be matti. If you
go into sort of nineteen forties, nineteen fifties, they'll often
be remoove and so on and so forth. Then we

(24:03):
kind of ran out of native timber and stopped analong
came particle board. So you know, if it's in a
house and you've got all that character there, then yes,
often you know, pull up the carpet, sand the floors,
and you've got beautiful native timber flooring. What I've found,
and I'm in this situation as well, We've done two

(24:25):
sands of the floor. I can't sand my floor anymore.
So if when this particular coating comes to the end
of its life, I don't really have too many options
apart from overlaying. I did another little project in fact
that projects up on YouTube at the moment, where we
had an older house that had a mixture of sort

(24:47):
of native timber floors from the original house then a
concrete extension, and so we overlaid and used an engineered
wood product, which was you know, a board that was
a laminated board and it had a finished surface on
the top in this case, and was it Matt French oak.
And so we lay that over the entire floor and

(25:08):
that's down for about five or six years, and that's
been remarkably durable. But those floors will scratch and have
wear and tear on them as well.

Speaker 5 (25:17):
That last one, was that a floating floor or was
that direct to the concrete.

Speaker 8 (25:23):
It does have an option of being fixed as a
floating one, but because we had old timber floor and
plywood repairs and concrete all at the same level, I
opted to have that direct fixed down, So we glued
that one down.

Speaker 5 (25:38):
So how bad you know? In five years? Are you
happy with the wear and tear? I mean, is it
a hard area where like a kitchen dining area it
goes from.

Speaker 8 (25:49):
The front door, through the hallway, through the lounge into
the kitchen area, and then out to the bifold doors
that go out into the rear yard. So yeah, it
gets a fair amount of wear and tear, but by
and lunch, I'm reasonably happy with it.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
So I think.

Speaker 8 (26:06):
I think the thing is, you know, if you're going
for timber, timber is always a little now, whether that's
an engineered floor or a natural floor, there's always going
to be wear and tears. So you know, if you
can be really disciplined around saying well, look, I'm not
going to wear hard shoes inside the house. It will
wear better, UV if you.

Speaker 5 (26:25):
Let dogs dogs in the house.

Speaker 8 (26:27):
No, no, no, no, no dogs. I mean, look we're
at home. We've got a cat, and the cat scratches
the floor, right, you know, charging around, playing games and
that sort of thing, so they wear right. Timber floors wear,
you know, if you're really after durability. In fact, on
the same project, I did a little cabin at the
back and I used timber lock tiles. So that's super

(26:51):
hard wearing, right, But at first glance it looks like timber,
so that that's an option in terms of the vinyls
because there are there are timber effect vinyl planking as well,
which might be a little bit hard, harder wearing, and

(27:12):
in some cases it's it's not easy, but it is repairable,
as in, you know, if you had some damage, let's
say you dropped a pan in the in the kitchen
and then it damaged the surface and you had some
left over, a suitably skilled person could replace that and
install it. So if it is going to be a
hard wearing area, you might look at a vinyl because

(27:34):
it's repaarable. That's an option, right, Okay, you know, everything
wears right, it just depends on.

Speaker 5 (27:42):
How much than the manufactured stuff. Would you say that
as an argument.

Speaker 8 (27:49):
I probably would, but I wouldn't say it in such
a way that you go, gosh, I wouldn't. I wouldn't
contemplate a timber surface because there's there's a warmth about
it and a feel to them as well, which you know,
you offset that with some of the r ability. I mean,
if you really want durability, you'd go for tiles or

(28:11):
you know, something like that. But then you might not
want that because it feels cold underfoot, or it's too
hard or something like that.

Speaker 5 (28:17):
So yeah, break breaks too many plates.

Speaker 9 (28:19):
Yeah, yeah, I've always wondered about that, you know, because
I know, we used to do quite a lot of
houses and we'd tile the kitchen right, and people will go, no,
I don't want tiles in the kitchen because if I
dropped something, it'll break.

Speaker 8 (28:30):
And I'm thinking, you know, I figure that if you
drop a glass onto a timber floor, it's going to
break almost the same as if you dropped it onto
a tile floor. I don't know that that's I'd love
to test that. Actually, if you've got a set of
glasses that you don't want. I'll do my own testing.
A nice to chat with you. Good luck with all
of those decisions. Take care bother. We'll take a short break.
We'll talk to Steve after the break. If you'd like

(28:52):
to join us, we've got lines free for you right now.
On this our first day back into regular time. Let's
say so it'll be a bit brighter in the mornings,
but it'll be it'll be a terrible shock to the
system tonight at about what's six thirty or so when
the sun goes down at eight hundred and eighty eight
the number to.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Call it what God was, but maybe called Pete. First,
you will get the resident Builder news talks.

Speaker 8 (29:15):
They'd be some fantastic texts, but we'll we'll talk to
Steve first. Hello, Steve, good morning, morning morning.

Speaker 10 (29:23):
I'm ringing from PARMI.

Speaker 11 (29:26):
Nice day to day.

Speaker 10 (29:28):
Look, I've got a two hundred and approx. Two hundred
and teen square made a double story home that was
built in the nineteen nineties. Had someone come around to
check the fireplate. I've got a box fire and my
sport yep and it's been smoking about the last probably
two or three years. To be honest and I wanted

(29:50):
to get a checked before I before winter settled in sure,
I thought I thought the battles might be crooked something. Anyway,
a guy comes around who is a guest that I think,
but they too far and he had a quick looking
sultan sit here alarms at crack been there, Yeah, I
noticed it a couple of years ago. He condemned it. Yeah,

(30:12):
which is when he explained it all, and I was
I was really happy with that because on the house.

Speaker 6 (30:18):
To bend down.

Speaker 10 (30:20):
But he talked about and reading My question to you
is now we left with it's a big lambs living
area which has closed off from another living area which
is a heat pump. And there's this whole thing of
replacing the fire with the fluid that goes through into
the second story and used to not heat that up

(30:43):
as well versus electric you know, heat pump and the
other the thing. The other thing I'll statement I make
is he little bit confused because he talked about having
to change locks on doors around the house replacing fire
because of the new compliance rules, like you know, he
had to look at all my exits and so those

(31:05):
locks would be suitable if we put a new fire
box because of regulations now, so anyway, I'll leave it.

Speaker 8 (31:15):
I'll look into that. You know, it's it's quite possible
at rules. So was that around egress as in you're
not okay? So it's not about people being able to
get into the space. I'm thinking like the pool fencing, right,
so you can't let little ones into around the pool.
But this is if you're going to have an open fire. Well,

(31:35):
it's not even an open fire, it's.

Speaker 10 (31:37):
Another just to put another because I'm just looking at
the replacement. I looked at a simple replacement of flifting
kill of what mass sport box again into the area
which is all bricked and tiled.

Speaker 6 (31:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (31:53):
Anyway, when you talk about all these egresses having to
be looked at and bolts coming off, slide indoors and
all that, I started to think, well, there's to be
a rocket science.

Speaker 8 (32:06):
Okay, So well let's put that to one side. What
are you thinking about doing with the fireplace because obviously
you can't use it given that it's probably unsafe if
it's got a great big crack in it, can you
I'm thinking too that if you were to pull it
out and put another one, and you will need to
go for a building consent for that as well. Counsel
want to know about these sorts of things.

Speaker 10 (32:28):
Yeah, that's right, Yeah, yeah, and I guess yes, and
that he probably off the top of his head, said,
you properly ban get much change out of ten thousand.

Speaker 8 (32:40):
In terms of for the whole project, for the whole program.

Speaker 10 (32:43):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I've got some Yeah. It doesn't
need a seck of fluid triple flue they call them
now to go up through the second story, So there's
extra costs there. But I'm just weighing up where whether
I get a cheap pump in the area, you know
good follows by seven killer what peat pump and be

(33:06):
done with it?

Speaker 8 (33:08):
What would you do with the fireplace? Just kind of
turn it into a decoration?

Speaker 10 (33:12):
Well, I suggested that my son and the yea rather
has expive coming out. Yeah he is an electrician entry
but doesn't live in the same tilS were however, Yeah,
probably his suggestion was just pull down the bricks, do it,

(33:35):
or you and make them do up the lounge and
make a new corner for yourself and do something hideous
with the corner.

Speaker 8 (33:43):
A bit of a challenge, isn't it. I tell you
what the other option is and I will give a
plug to these guys because I was in their factory
not long ago. Sear Fires E s ce A is
ce A. It's a Dunedin based so obviously a local
New Zealand based fire manufacture. They do gas fires, they

(34:07):
do timber fires. They also do interestingly enough, electric fires
with effectively a hologram. Now, I know that that might
sound tacky, but I've seen them and they're pretty good.
I'm just thinking about you know, if you've got the
scrape of opening, you've got the whole houses designed around

(34:27):
a fireplace basically, or that room will be. You pull
that one out, you put in an electric one, do
some minor trimmings around the edge. Bingo, You've still got
the heating and you've got the appearance and you don't
have to worry about flues and fire regulations because it's.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
Not a fire.

Speaker 10 (34:43):
Yeah yeah, yeah, well that's true. Well let's I don't
know what the killer, what's what they pump out?

Speaker 4 (34:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (34:55):
Yeah, they don't muck around, these guys, So have a
look at that. I'm gonna move on. Let us know
how you get on. I'll tell you what. Interestingly enough,
Steve there are so just having a quick look online.
So with regard to firepraces and egress, you have to
ensure that the fireplaces compliant with the building code and
it's maintained, and that escape routes are clear and accessible. Specifically,

(35:20):
exit doors must be unlocked and free of obstructions. So
that is really really interesting. I'll do a bit more
digging around that twelve minutes away from seven. Thanks very much.
If you call Steve, we'll take your calls before the
news as well, so you can call us right now, oh,
eight hundred and eighty, ten eighty. We'll try and get
through a few texts as well. Just a bit of
a heads up. After eight o'clock, the Minister for Building

(35:44):
and Construction, Chris Penk will be joining us just on
the line, so there to be fair, there are about
ten topics that we could discuss, but in discussion with
the Minister and with his team, I've said, look, I
want to talk about the BCA announcement which is going
back about two three weeks ago, and the recent announcement
this week about the perhaps stronger disciplinary actions for want

(36:10):
of a better term, cowboy builders. We'll talk about that.
There is about another five or six topics that we
can discuss, but will do that when the Minister joins
me in the studio in a couple of weeks time.
So after the news at eight, Chris Pink, the Minister
for Housing and Construction or Building in Construction rather will
be on the line. So looking forward to that. If

(36:30):
you've got any texts, I might be able to slide
in a quick question from you as well. So if
you've got a very specific text question for the Minister,
feel free to slide that into the discussion this morning
as well. It is coming up eleven minutes away from seven, Yes,
eleven away from seven. We're back into regular time. The
clocks went back at two o'clock in the morning, and

(36:53):
you can call us now on eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Doing of the house extorting the garden, asked Pete for
a hand. The resident builder with peta wolfcap call, Oh
eight eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Youth talks envy.

Speaker 8 (37:07):
Rightyo, lines are open, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Someone said electricfiers to killer. What Max? I'm not sure
that that's true for the c ones that I mentioned,
So I'm going to have a look and find out
some fabulous texts. This one I'm very tempted to test.
Cork tiles are the ones. We're talking about. Tiles and
weather different types of flooring. Means that if you drop

(37:30):
your favorite champagne flute when you're drying it at the sink,
it won't break. Now, if it hits tiles, it'll break.
If it hits timber, it won't. Someone suggested that nothing
breaks when dropping it on cork tiles. I'm happy to
test that. There might be some evidence for it. I

(37:50):
do quite like corktiles. Well, no, they're triggering because I've
had to rip up so much of it over the years,
and it's quite a job to rip it up, to
be fair, But it's making a comeback, which is awesome.
Thank you Tom for that. Julie, good morning to you.

Speaker 6 (38:05):
Good morning morning.

Speaker 8 (38:06):
Indeed, I have a problem with the big room windows.

Speaker 12 (38:11):
The town has double glaze. Been here a couple of years.
It's just just me and the bedrooms. They're really cold.
One bedroom, the curtains are around in the wind and
when you stand behind them, it's sort of like the
same temperate duringside as it is outside the other one.
The first winter I had ice in the channel, and

(38:34):
the last one's one of the frost. The two patches
prose completely solid. I'd wait till the sun came up,
the SRI would open the window and they pour water. Right, nothing,
no moisture on the inside of the double gaze. I
just wondered what the problem is, or if you have
any suggestion.

Speaker 8 (38:54):
Yeah, sure, I think you've highlighted a really good issue.
And I suppose as we're getting better and better buildings,
we're real that the weak spots which we kind of
were able to ignore when we had buildings that had
very little insulation and lots of drafts and so on.

(39:15):
So as we're sort of effectively blocking all of these
gaps in our buildings. Right, So, if you build today,
you've got a building wrap on the outside, or you
might have a rigid air barrier, You'll probably have insulation
in the walls. You'll have flooring that perhaps doesn't is
not as drafty as old strip flooring, ceilings that are
well insulated hopefully, et cetera, et cetera. So heat transfer

(39:38):
always wants to happen, right, if it's warm inside and
it's cold outside, it wants to go outside. And if
it's the other way around. It wants to come the
other way. And so I think, what I'm taking a guess,
and I'm going to say that if yours is a
townhouse of sort of the last what is it twenty
five thirty years old? About eight o eas old? Okay,
so even eight years old. Again, I would hazard a

(40:01):
guess and say that the aluminum joinery that you've got
would be conventional aluminium joy as in, it is not
thermally broken aluminium joinery. So while your walls have got
good insulation hopefully, and your double glazing is way more
effective than single glazing, the aluminium joinery Aluminium is a

(40:21):
conductor and so heat will transfer through it, and that's
what's happening, right, So you'll have double glazing in the window,
you'll have conventional aluminium joinery, non thermally broken, and that's
where you'll get condensation collecting on there and it will
feel cold. And I've seen graphics of it so tested

(40:44):
in a laboratory, what actually happens when you know, you
test and examine and do thermal imaging on conventional joinery.
So broadly speaking, we've got timber joinery, we've got aluminium joinery.
We've got thermally broken aluminium joinery, and increasingly we've got
uPVC joinery as well, right, and in some cases composite,

(41:05):
and they all formed differently, so yours at conventional aluminium jowinery,
it'll be the joinery that's the problem. Now I'm going
to go to the break, but I think we should
carry on and maybe.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
Whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing with feds, or wondering
how to fix that hole in the wall.

Speaker 13 (41:21):
Give Peter wolf Gamp call on eighty the Resident Builder
on News Dogs B. Welcome back to the show. It
is just coming up seven minutes after seven. My name's
people wolf Camp, resident builder. And this is a show
all about building. Funnily enough, but building is such a
well without being self aggrandizing, there's a lot, right that,

(41:44):
all of the various whether it's compliance, whether it's the regulations,
whether it's the contractors, whether it is the actual built environment,
the regulations, the products, the components, the legislation. You know,
all of these things are part of building. So we've
talked about tiles, it's part of building. We've talked about soul,

(42:06):
we've talked about flooring, we've talked about fireplaces, and now
we're talking about bedroom windows. And I guess you know
this is where it actually when you're a bit of
a building geek, this is where actually building science gets
really exciting at the moment, because we're much more able
to be very targeted, very refined, very focused on which

(42:32):
parts of our building envelope perform well and which parts don't.
And you know, for a long time, and we've had
conventional aluminium jowinery for a long time. The upgrade to
H one meant that in many cases, in order to
comply with H one, we would see a move from

(42:53):
conventional aluminium jowinery. And when I say conventional, what I
mean is that if you take a cross section through
an aluminium window, essentially the aluminium on the inside is
connected to the aluminium on the outside. I'm not trying
to oversimplify this and I'm not trying to run it down.
I'm just saying that that's what it looks like when
you cut through it.

Speaker 8 (43:14):
So, now, if you're talking about thermally broken aluminium jewinery,
there is a break between the aluminium on the exterior
and the aluminium on the inside, which stops the transfer
of heat through the aluminium because aliminium is a great conductor.
Other types of joinery Timber, for example, is a very

(43:36):
poor conductor of energy, and that's why often timber joinery
is thermally efficient because it's a poor conductor. Other types
of joinery composites uPVC and so on, perform better in
terms of their ability to manage that transfer of heat
than conventional aluminium jowinery, And up until quite recently, most

(43:59):
aluminium jowinery was conventional, and even with better insulation in
the walls and with double glade, it focuses the weak
spot often on that. And so a couple of years
ago I got called to a relatively new house with
a person said I'd like you to come and have
a look. The windows are leaking, and that that can happen.
But in this instance, it wasn't the windows leaking. It

(44:22):
was simply condensation that was building up through the aluminium
jewry and that was the problem. So, Julie, I wonder
whether you've got a similar issue there that if it's
a relatively new house you've got double glazing. The double
glazing is doing its job. It's slowing down the transfer
of heat between inside of its warm and outside of

(44:42):
its coal, and that heat is looking for somewhere else
to go, and it's finding its way through the aluminum jowinery,
the conventional aluminum jewinery, and that's where you've got the
issue that you've got. I think does that make sense
to you, Julie, oh hand, Sorry, the.

Speaker 6 (45:01):
Whole window drifts.

Speaker 12 (45:03):
The other one that I need, the bottom half that.

Speaker 8 (45:06):
Yeah, I mean, are you like for a for a
window to freeze shut? That's that requires I suppose a
feel amount of moisture and very low temperatures. So are
you where are you based in the country?

Speaker 12 (45:23):
Christ dirch okay, But it was only a mild frost,
but it.

Speaker 8 (45:27):
Was enough to I suppose there was sufficient moisture to
create or to to create ice and thereby Jamy window
mm hmm.

Speaker 12 (45:38):
Yeah, I have to open a lot a lot of
the time, but course not on the really cold but
I have gone half lark on whatever.

Speaker 8 (45:47):
I think that's great.

Speaker 12 (45:48):
Don't heat the bedrooms, so it's.

Speaker 8 (45:50):
Not see now that that might be you know this
in terms of heating the bedroom, right, that actually might
be part of your solution, you know, so maybe installing
some thermal drapes that will help as well. So okay,
thermal drapes. But rather than letting the bedroom get down

(46:13):
to twelve fourteen degrees, right, try and keep the temperature
in that room even to a modest eighteen degrees will
make a difference to the environment inside that space. So
maybe your next change. And given that you've only got

(46:33):
a small amount of the room that that effectively is
not particularly good at retaining heat. If you were to
add some heat to it you hopefully you won't spend
too much money on that, but it will make a
significant difference to the environment inside that room.

Speaker 6 (46:50):
Yeah, lovely, Okay, all.

Speaker 8 (46:52):
The very best, take care of Julie Pete. I text
you a little while about about getting aluminium double blazing
or UPBC. You suggested you PVC. I got it and
it's absolutely brilliant. Thank you very much. Tim. That's interesting
and I was looking at some data the other day
on measurable scientific data about what happens to heat transferred

(47:15):
depending on the type of joinery that you've got, and
it's quite fascinating to read. Thank you very much for
that text. And that's good to hear. Oh eight one
hundred eighty ten eighty. I'll catch up with a few
texts actually corptiles. We've mentioned that morning peat I'm renovating
my bathroom, Should I tile first before hanging the vanity
and the vertical storage unit? Increasingly we do, and I

(47:36):
think there is a benefit to it. You don't necessarily
have to tile everywhere, but rather than rather than hang
the vanity and tile up to it, which then allows
for moisture to sort of creep in around the edges.
I think typically we're tiling the walls, hanging the vanity

(47:57):
on it or the wall unit on it. My mates
who are renovating at the moment, I'm pretty sure that
that's exactly what they've done. Earlier on we were talking
about installing solar onto a metal tile roof, and this
is a relatively model one modern one. Someone stepped through
how they're going to attach the peerlins instead of the batons. Well,
the thing with metal tile roofs typically is they don't

(48:18):
really have perlins. They tend to run battons over the
top of the trusses or joists, which are small. Conventional
perlin is x seventy five x fifty, so seventy by
fortyish of timber or forty five of timber, and so
that gives you a fair amount of purchase for the
screws that will hold the rails that hold the solar panels.

(48:42):
If you've got a fifty x twenty five batten, you're
not getting as much purchase. So I wonder whether the
solar installers will try and aim for purchase fixing into
either the truss or to the joist. But I'll make
some further inquiries because that's a bit of a challenge
and flooring question. Please, with good quality laminated flooring like

(49:06):
nineteen month one which would be stuck down in concrete
or timber floors, can this be used in kitchen and
bathroom situations i e? Wet areas? There was a Hali
a kerfuffle a couple of years ago where building regulations
changed to include protection of wet areas, and that then

(49:28):
started to include anywhere that had a tap fixing. So
for example, a dishwasher has a tap fitting, a kitchen
has a tap fitting. A handbasin and a toilet is
effectively a tap fitting, and that one point five meters
radius around that fitting needed to be impervious, and there

(49:51):
was a lot of discussion around does that mean you
can't have timber flooring, for example, in a kitchen. How
do you make that impervious? To be fair, I'm not
sure where they exactly got to, but I think it's
kind of settled to a point where, yes, you can
do laminate flooring for example in a kitchen. You may
need to do some waterproofing, you might need to use

(50:12):
a particular brand of laminate flooring. But it certainly doesn't
mean that everything has to be tiles, which is one
of the discussions from a wee while ago. But it's
still contested ground. To be fair, that wasn't a terribly
clear piece of legislation, to be blunt, right, Oh, fifteen
and a half after seven, we're talking all things building
and a very good morning to you, money, my morning,

(50:35):
how things are?

Speaker 14 (50:36):
Just walking my dog along the Munitou.

Speaker 8 (50:39):
River, Manitou? Where is the Munaitou river? Muna River. I'm
with you, yes, I'll just think to you.

Speaker 14 (50:48):
Earlier on you mentioned about people worried about breaking their
glasses and their yes on toll falls in kitchens.

Speaker 8 (50:57):
Yes, well for me, it's not the case.

Speaker 14 (51:00):
It's the times they get broken, right, Yeah, all all
my families that have houses, it had piles, say, I
don't know, maybe a female members form of these tiles,
especially because they got a lot of kids and broken
tile or broken tiles in the kitchen, so they hate it.
They don't like it.

Speaker 8 (51:20):
I wonder whether there's I wonder whether there's a couple
of things happening there. One is and depending on the
age when it was installed. I mean, look, I can
remember doing tiles on a particle board floor in a
kitchen about more than thirty years ago. And back then
in terms of building regulation, we literally just it was
a particle board floor, and we got our adhesive when

(51:41):
we trailed it, and we put the tiles down right,
no waterproofing underneath it. The floors were not necessarily designed
for tiles, et cetera, et cetera. By comparison, I went
to a renovation last week where because they've got tiles
in a bathroom, the floor joists at four hundred centers,
it's nogged at four hundred centers. They've got particle board

(52:02):
or no, they used nineteen mil fiber cement sheet screwed down.
Then they've done waterproofing. And then the other key thing
is that tilers you can do like dobs of adhesive
and put the tile down, and so you don't have
a full bed of adhesive. You effectively have these little pockets.
And if you happen to drop something on the space
where there's no tile adhesive, it's got very little support

(52:24):
and it'll break. So yeah, I mean, tiles well laid
on the right substrate are probably less resistant to breaking
than ones laid in a different manner.

Speaker 14 (52:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I know what's you saying.

Speaker 8 (52:40):
And look, you know, often you see it where you know,
tile cracks and then you go shivers to get that off,
especially if it's like in a shower or in a
wheat area. You go, you know, can I get that
off without damaging the water proofing? And then if I
do damage the waterproofing, how do I repair the waterproofing?
It just gets really really challenging saying that done. Heaps

(53:03):
of tiling, and I love them in the right place.
So thanks very much. Enjoy the walk with the dog
on this hopefully beautiful morning. I tell you what, I'm
still slightly freaked out about it. There was amazing fog
over the harbor this morning. Driving in, it reminded me
of those scenes from the Harry Potter movies, you know,
where the death Eater has come down and you get
that sort of black mist hanging around, like you couldn't

(53:24):
see the city. As I was driving in from the shore,
approaching the Harbor Bridge, looking out across the Harbor, I
could see the top of the sky tower, but below
it not a thing. It was. There was this I
suppose sea fog. I'm guessing it was, but it was black.
It was it was kind of it was quite evocative,
I have to say, driving in this morning, right oh,
I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

(53:46):
to call. If you've got a question of a building nature,
you should call me right now in the next hour
of the program, So from eight to eight thirty. I'm
really looking forward to a chat with the Minister for
Building and Construction, that is Chris Pink. He's going to
phone in and we're going to have a chat. Particularly,
I mean to be fair, there is a long, long

(54:08):
list of recent announcements that we could discuss, but I'm
going to try and restrain myself to just talking about
the things that we agreed we'd talk about, which is
the BCAS so the building consent authorities and the government's
move to get monitoring on how quickly bcas are processing
building consents, and I've got a couple of questions for

(54:29):
them around that. And then the other one that we
want to talk about is the more recent announcement regarding
increased sort of disciplinary action for wayward builders like this
Chappie who appeared in the Herald article wins this Herald
article the fifth So two days yesterday a builder who

(54:54):
ran three years behind schedule while building a couple's home
and then charged them an extra seventy two thousand dollars
for labor and materials and then left the job and
other contractors had to do it. Craig O'Brien, this is
all in the paper, so I'm not revealing anything here.
Craig O'Brien is the contractor Deborah and Basil Richards, who

(55:15):
were then stuck with one hundred and thirty thousand dollars
contractors bill, despite having already paid O'Brien in advance. O'Brien
promised to repay the money they stumped up for the contractors,
but the Richards have thus far managed to recoup only
a fraction of it. Meanwhile, it's alleged that O'Brien has
recently built a two bidge and extension to his own home.

(55:37):
This is all revealed in a decision from the Building
Practitioners Board. The couple made a complaint to the board,
which has the power to suspend or even cancel a
licensed building practitioners license, about thet or the conduct of O'Brien,
and a recently released ruling, the board stopped short of
that penalty. I don't know why stopped short of that

(55:59):
penalty and instead imposed a seventeen hundred dollar fine and
censured O'Brien for a breach of the profession's code of ethics.
It is a penalty that complainant Deba Richards told NZME
was weak.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
For me.

Speaker 8 (56:14):
It's sort of like if this was America, we could
see them and there'd be consequences, but there are no
consequences in this country. According to the board's ruling, O'Brien
had been contacted by the Richards for a com contracted
for a complete home build in Auckland. It was meant
to have finished the job in March twenty twenty one,
but it wasn't completed until April twenty twenty four, and

(56:34):
that was with the help of other contractors. While the
soon states the home is now finished, Deborah Richard said
she was still to get a code to meet the
code and needed more work to get it over the line.
The couple were building the house to sell, but lost
the buyer because it took so long. Then they then
lost potential rent earnings after being unable to tenant it sooner.

(56:57):
During the build, O'Brien charged the Richard and extra seventy
two thousand dollars for labor and materials, but kept knowing
that invoices or evidence to prove their additional cost. He
told him it was due to price fluctuations when contract.
This had to be brought in at a cost of
one hundred and thirty thousand dollars to the Richards. O'Brien
and O'Brien agreed to repay them ten thousand dollars per month,

(57:19):
but they've thus far received only twenty one thousand dollars. Interesting,
according to the company's office, are seeking advice ah the
company Building Labour Solutions Limited, when into receivership owing creditors
according to the company's office, one hundred and eighty eight
thousand dollars, he's now liquidated and will get away free

(57:40):
according to well, that's the opinion of the client. So
the board said in its investigation into O'Brien's breaches of
the Code of Ethics, it was limited because much of
his conduct occurred before the code became enforceable in twenty
twenty two. However, the code states that a license builder
must act in good faith, which means dealing fairly and

(58:02):
honestly with a client and keeping one's promises. We probably
should get someone from and beyond to talk about the
Code of Ethics. I've been talking about it in different
sort of groups and formats and forums for a little while.
If you are engaging in LBP, it is worth informing

(58:23):
yourself about it. I think it's very good. I think
that it most disputes that people probably have with their
lbps are probably more likely around their behavior and practice
rather than the actual building work itself. And that's where
I think the Code of Ethics, which became enforceable I
think it was October twenty twenty two, you know, should

(58:47):
make a real difference. So check it out for yourself.
Really easy to find four basic categories, nineteen different sort
of requirements under that fairly broad brushstroke types of things.
But you know, behaving professionally is now. There is the
code of Ethics, so have a look at it. If
you're engaging with a contractor, and if you are an
l and you don't know about the Code of ethics,

(59:11):
you need to get on board and learn about it.
To be blunt. Twenty four minutes after seven less good morning, Hello, Liz.

Speaker 6 (59:21):
How are you? Can you hear me?

Speaker 8 (59:23):
I can go ahead, please.

Speaker 6 (59:25):
Good good, Hey. I just want to have to talk
to you about a DVU system.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (59:31):
I've bought five of these units and put them into
different hounds that I've owned. I was up setting the
other day.

Speaker 8 (59:39):
Can we just just for the purposes of being clear,
I doubt that. Did you put them in or did
you have them installed?

Speaker 15 (59:46):
No?

Speaker 6 (59:46):
No, no, they've been professionally instructed by d DVS.

Speaker 8 (59:50):
Yeah, I'm with you, yep, yep.

Speaker 6 (59:52):
But I was up in the ceiling the other day
changing my filter. Yes, you know you can change the
filter as yourself.

Speaker 16 (59:58):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (59:59):
And it's quite a simple matter. While I was up
in the ceiling, I heard my fan were squealing. I thought, well,
that doesn't sound good. So when I came down, I
turned the system off because I thought, well, it's the fan,
it's the fans squealing, it's probably a bearing, and it's
a bearing sales, it could catch a item overhead.

Speaker 8 (01:00:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:00:21):
Yeah. I churned the system off and I phoned DVS
Hamilton because I live in Hamilton and I've dealt through them.
And the guy that I phoned said, oh, look, i'll
put you onto another chap. So I got put onto
this so other chap and told him about oh no, no,
I'll have to put you onto our serviceman. So I
got put onto the third person, which was a serviceman,

(01:00:43):
and I told him what the problem was and he said, oh,
I know, mate. He said, we're going to have to
put a new system and it's going to cost you
about two five And I said, hang on mate. I said,
this system we've got is under ten years old. And
he said, oh, well that's all we can do. And
I said, well, I'm not happy about that. I said,
I bought a lot of units off you guys, and

(01:01:05):
I've dealt with looking all the way through. And he said,
I'll have to get back to you. So two days
later I get a call from d the s Auckland
technical guy, and he said, well, the fan system you've
got we can't replace. What we're going to do is
replace it with a new system. And I said, well, well,

(01:01:30):
what's that going to cost me? And he said it's
going to cost you six hundred and sixty dollars including
GUS two. So I'm disappointed because I thought these units
would last longer than ten years.

Speaker 8 (01:01:45):
Look, I'll be really clear, you know, I'm not particularly
interested in you litigating your dispute with a company on
air when I don't know all of the circumstances. So
if you've got a dispute with them, have it out
with them. I don't think this is the right format
to be discussing it. And what I would suggests and

(01:02:06):
I understand you frustration, but you know what you should
do is go back and have a look at the
original contract, the warranties that are given, and potentially there's
a warranty on parts. Let's say that's two years or
five years. Now. If it happens to be a fifteen
year warranty and it's failed within ten years, then you've
got reason to be, you know, to go to them

(01:02:28):
and expect them to replace it. If, for example, it
states clearly you know these particular items are warrantied for
this amount of time and it's past that. Then you
accepted that when you had it installed, and I understand
that being disappointed. But to be really honest, I'm not
prepared to litigate this on air. That's something for you

(01:02:49):
to discuss, given that it's very specific with the company involved,
and I would do this for any company. I have
no engagement with them or anything like that. I just
think it's unfair to litigate it on air. So appreciate
the call, but we'll leave it there. Oh eight one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
It is twenty eight after seven. Squeaky door or squeaky floor.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Get the right advice from Peter Wolfcare, the resident fielder
on News Talks HEB.

Speaker 8 (01:03:16):
Radio News Talks B. We're talking all things Billink. Sorry,
I'm distracted by a text that's coming that's given me
a hard time, which is fine, uh Radio. Oh, this
is a great text. I mentioned the fog on the
way in because it was it was really quite dramatic,
quite eerie. That's not fog, that's TG t TG Trump

(01:03:41):
tariff gloom from from Owen. Thank you, very much. That's
very wise. T TG Trump Tariff Bloom Radio. Let's talk
about Sola. Hello, Grant, good morning, Pete. How are you good?
Thank you and yourself?

Speaker 16 (01:03:55):
Yeah yeah, yeah, good, thank you. It is a dramatic
little fog, isn't it.

Speaker 8 (01:03:59):
It really is like it was like so dense you
couldn't see the lights of the city as I was
driving up to the bridge from the shore.

Speaker 16 (01:04:07):
Wow, that's cool. Yeah, it's just I'm just looking out
and I can they just missed one hundred meters and
then can't see anything.

Speaker 8 (01:04:15):
Okay, but like the go where we're probably going to
talk about something else, won't we Yes.

Speaker 16 (01:04:21):
Yeah, yeah, there are two things, all the three that
we were in there to.

Speaker 17 (01:04:24):
Okay, So this whole.

Speaker 16 (01:04:25):
Aun panel guy, he should like obviously get somebody else
to instill that, like an installer to instill them. But
I was looking at them, you know, like it's all
on panels and things, and like if you can get
his neighbor on either side of him to buy some
as well, right, and then when you hook the three

(01:04:47):
of them up, they can they will, you know, he
can pay them off quicker and because he can put
more juice back in the into the grid, you know,
and plus you know, like he could come your own
little pound station, which is a.

Speaker 8 (01:05:01):
Great idea and probable, but we all know that these
things get incredibly complicated. So I think, stick to your
own grid and it's way simpler.

Speaker 16 (01:05:10):
Yeah, yeah, true, true that.

Speaker 6 (01:05:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:05:13):
Okay, Now remember quite some muster Den or six or
maybe two.

Speaker 6 (01:05:19):
A while ago.

Speaker 16 (01:05:21):
I suggested that the sand hills in christ Church were
man made, not natural, and you went, well, I don't
know about that. I had to look into it. And
then I thought, oh, beats on the radio. I wonder
if he looked into it.

Speaker 8 (01:05:38):
And to be fair, I probably didn't, and I probably
won't with a grace respect. Right, let's talk about building.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number, Frank,
Hello there.

Speaker 17 (01:05:49):
Yeah, Pete.

Speaker 11 (01:05:50):
I bought a new house, quite of brought a new
house up in a red beach and I'm moving in
a few weeks. It's got a nice big deck on it,
but unfortunately, well it's made of the deck as a
pine deck. I've usually had Queeler prefer pine, but I'll
go for the.

Speaker 6 (01:06:06):
Pine.

Speaker 8 (01:06:07):
Yes.

Speaker 11 (01:06:07):
My question is I'm going to oil it. How long
should I leave it? Like should I oil it this
season or should I oil it next season?

Speaker 8 (01:06:16):
So it was laid let's say, prior to summer. So
it's had a summer, right, it's most of we had
a summer.

Speaker 11 (01:06:22):
Yeah, we've had a good three months most probably.

Speaker 8 (01:06:26):
I think that's long enough for it to effectively. What
you want with new treated pine decking is that it
kind of flashes off, right, so the timber preservative that's
in it gets a chance to breathe, rise to the surface,
and then it's not going to sort of push off
your stains. So in that sense, I think, given and
given the summer that we've had, you know how little

(01:06:48):
rain that we've had until recently, it's probably ready for
a sealer. And ideally, I'm just thinking about winter coming, right,
if you can get it sealed before winter settles in,
and I know we've had quite a bit of rain
the last couple of days. That will dry out if
you had two, three, four days of decent weather and

(01:07:08):
then get a coat of sealer onto it. And most
of the sealers now for decking are essentially a penetrating
oil stain, so I would still give it a treatment.
So maybe even today while it's still wet from the
weather over the last little while. Go and get some
deck wash. Apply that give it an agitate with a

(01:07:28):
stiff broom. Rinse it off. Don't water blast it, just
rinse it off. Let that dry, and as soon as
it feels dry, I'd get into it with an oil
based or with a penetrating oil stain onto that timber.

Speaker 11 (01:07:43):
Excellent, I think it again.

Speaker 8 (01:07:45):
These you job for the day. Take care, Take care, Frank.
I'm just watching. We've got obviously TV screens in the
studio and they've got BBC News on and they're looking
at Romania back in the days just after the fall
of the Berlin Wall and so on. So we're talking
early nineteen ninety one. I had some pictures of down

(01:08:06):
town book Arrest and the massive white house effectively that
Charchescu built back then, and the boulevards that they created
and downtown book Arrest, and then it had the protests,
and as it happens, I was actually there in about
it would have been May or June of nineteen ninety one,
and it was still pretty lawless. It was pretty rugged

(01:08:28):
back then. I was traveling through. I'd been in Greece.
I traveled up through Bulgaria, took the train from Thessalonica
to book Arest, stayed a couple of stayed about a
week in book Arrest, and then traveled on to Budapest.
And someone had suggested that I buy a couple of
packets of Marlborough cigarettes curtains of cigarettes, because you could

(01:08:50):
use that to barter. And so I was wandering through
downtown brook Arrest with a carton of cigarettes on the
backpack and met some kind of lonely looking guards outside
that White House, that parliament building or that palace right
in the middle of town. Said can I have looked through?
And they sort of went, oh yeah, And I gave
them a few packets of cigarettes and I wandered through it.

(01:09:11):
That's the most bizarre experience, to be fair. It was
just a bunch of us wandering through the old White
House building, massive chandeliers, these huge ornate staircases. I think
I actually went right up to the roof looked out
over the city. Anyway, it's quite funny seeing those pictures
on the TV. There you go, there's a happy memory.
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. We'll talk to

(01:09:31):
Brian straight after the break your new smealthy.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
You get those DIY projects done right, the resident builder
with beatable scat call.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Oh eight, you've talked ZVY.

Speaker 8 (01:09:43):
Radio. We're actually we're going to talk to Daniel from
Nanoclear shortly. But before then, Brian, greetings to you. Hang
on sick. Here we go, Brian, Hello there.

Speaker 17 (01:09:52):
Yes, I live next door to a restaurant.

Speaker 6 (01:09:57):
Yep.

Speaker 17 (01:09:59):
And one of the customers has driven into the thing.

Speaker 8 (01:10:04):
Yeah, sure I shouldn't, but I can imagine that happening.

Speaker 17 (01:10:08):
Yep. He's taken out a couple of posts which were
concreted in right, Yes, and three panels are down right.
Two were less loose that fell down in the wind
three nights ago.

Speaker 8 (01:10:27):
Yep.

Speaker 17 (01:10:29):
And the police have said it to be nine months
before the prosecuted.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
Yes.

Speaker 17 (01:10:37):
Yeah, so I send a letter to the restaurant telling them,
uh as you are aware one of your customers has
during in an offense. Again, I have spoken to the police,

(01:10:57):
and it could be nine months.

Speaker 8 (01:10:59):
I think I might have a quicker I might have
a quicker solution for your Brian, why don't you just
go to your insurer.

Speaker 17 (01:11:05):
I'm not insured a car afford it, okay?

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
Right?

Speaker 17 (01:11:10):
Things that could you send me attached quote to your
insurance company and get the fence fixed? All right? And
those replied, thanks for sending the quote, but the sense
for a pair is your and my client's business, and
the police has already stated we don't need to do anything.

Speaker 8 (01:11:37):
Yeah. Have you been able to identify the driver of
the car that caused the damage.

Speaker 17 (01:11:45):
I've got his name, because.

Speaker 8 (01:11:47):
Ultimately it's it's probably not even the restaurant's respect if
it was the restaurant. Let's say the restaurant did deliveries
and it was their delivery driver that backed.

Speaker 17 (01:11:57):
Into the city one of their customers.

Speaker 8 (01:12:00):
Okay, well, I can't see how they are responsible for
their customer's behavior, particularly since it happened outside of the premises.

Speaker 4 (01:12:07):
Right.

Speaker 8 (01:12:08):
So ultimately the person responsible is the person who is
driving the car. Because you're not insured, you're going to
have to seek redress from that person. I wonder if
you can find their details I would do. I would
go to the disputes tribunal because you'll be able to
get a hearing quite quickly. Chances are the person won't attend,

(01:12:31):
in which case you'll get a determination from the disputes tribunal,
which then gives you something that's enforceable by the court,
and then the court will then help you to recover
the money from the driver of the vehicle. So stop
all the correspondence, find out, find out who the person is,
go to the dispute tribunal, get a hearing, go from there.

(01:12:52):
That'll be the quickest way.

Speaker 17 (01:12:54):
How long will it take to go through the.

Speaker 8 (01:12:57):
Look, it might not, it might be a couple of months,
but it's going to be quicker than anything else because
I would imagine that the person. Look, you could approach
the person, but if you're not getting a response from them,
you know, how are you going to keep chasing them up?
I would go dispute tribunal because then you have the
backing of the district court. I'll try that. Annoying, but
I would try that.

Speaker 17 (01:13:18):
Doesn't the restaurant own half the side fence?

Speaker 8 (01:13:24):
Not necessarily, because chances are the person who is occupying
the restaurant leases the building from the owner. So and
then as a property owner, I wasn't responsible for the damage.
It's not like it's an old fence that fell over.
It's it's an individual using a car that's damaged the fence.

(01:13:44):
It's got if I was the owner of the land,
I'm not responsible for it because I didn't cause the damage.

Speaker 17 (01:13:51):
All right, If I pay to get the fence repaired
while waiting for the pols, doesn't the person next door
have to pay half?

Speaker 8 (01:14:03):
Nope, because it's it's damage as a posts, you know,
if the fence, Well, the only way you could do that,
and the only way you can get half of the
payment is if you, under the Fencing Act go to
them and say we need to replace the fence as
a result of damage. I'm seeking a contribution from you.

(01:14:23):
They might argue, well, the damage wasn't caused by me,
nor was it normal wear and tear. It's a one
off event, because then they're going to have to try
and claim from the person who did it as well,
which just gets time consuming as well. So I think
your shortest course of action is going to be to
try and find out the name and address of the

(01:14:45):
person who caused the damage, the driver of the car,
and then register with the Disputes Tribunal and seek a
judgment from them for damages and then that is enforceable
by the court. And that's the one thing that's the advantage.
And we had the basically chief judge or chief adjudicator
from the dispute Stribunal on the show a little while ago.

(01:15:07):
And that was the one thing that I learned about
that which was really really useful. Right yoh, we're going
to take short break. We'll come back. We'll talk to
Daniel from Nanoclear in a moment. We've got time for
a couple more calls, and then after the news at
eight o'clock a chance to have a bit of a
chat with the Minister for Building and Construction Chris Pink
will join me after eight o'clock.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
Measure twice God was but maybe call Pete first, feed
your WORFCAF the resident builder News Talk said be a
couple of.

Speaker 8 (01:15:34):
Weeks ago someone rang and was talking about sort of
faded aluminium joinery. Interestingly enough, so in many cases you'll
get faded aluminium jowinery. Maybe the garage door looks a
bit dull, so aluminium powder coated surfaces can fade and
discolor over time. New Zealand weather, the intense weather the
UV causes oxidation and corrosion on aluminium windows and garage doors.

(01:15:56):
So Nanoclear is a solution to restore and protect these surfaces. Today, Daniel,
one of Nanoclear's professional applicators, is here to tell us
a bit more. Daniel, good morning, Good morning Peter, how
are you hey. Now, I know Nanoclear is like a
protective coating, So tell us a little bit more about
it and what makes it the best solution for the
protection of aluminium window frames and garage doors.

Speaker 15 (01:16:17):
Yeah, thanks Peter. Yeah, we have a team of friendly
professionals who take care and special attention to protecting your
proddicated surfaces, increasing the look and the value of your asset,
whether it be your personal home or your business. Now,
Nanoclaire is a spray on coating and it has several
key benefits that offer long term protection to your garage
doors and your aluminium jewnery. So, as I said, it's

(01:16:39):
a spray on finish and it gives you a smooth
and as new finish. We can adjust the gloss level
from matts to full gloss, or even apply that texture
on the new aluminium jewinery, extrusions on that, on that
on the new windows. So Nanoclaire is six times harder
than paint and it's highly resistant to scratches. It's also
chemical insolvent, resistance, so housewash treatments, bug sprays, sunscreen off

(01:17:04):
your hands, and even graffiti won't stick to the surface.
That can all be easily wiped off. Yeah, and like
you mentioned, it's UVR resistant, so meaning it won't fade
and it'll protect your jowinery for.

Speaker 6 (01:17:14):
Up to ten years.

Speaker 8 (01:17:15):
It is impressive, and I suppose especially for houses where
maybe you've done a retrofit of the double glazing, it
can be a little bit tricky when you've got some
old new jowinery side by side, might end up looking
a bit patchy.

Speaker 15 (01:17:27):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, after retrofitting, we make sure the jewinery
is coded evenly so the old areas look just like
the new extrusions, avoiding any discrepancy and color that can
be obvious with retrifiting. So to do this, we coak
the entire window to ensure a uniform like new appearance.
This option it not only helps achieve a warmer home
at a lower cost than replacing the jewinery, but it

(01:17:49):
also transforms the look of your property.

Speaker 8 (01:17:51):
Now I've seen your work firsthand, and when you recolored
some alminium joinner in a house to a completely different shade.
So if you've got an old orange one, but you
weren't gray that can you can do that?

Speaker 17 (01:18:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:18:03):
That's right. Yeah, No, It's incredible how something as simple
as just changing the joinery color can give you home
a completely new look.

Speaker 6 (01:18:10):
It's almost as if.

Speaker 15 (01:18:10):
You've had a major renovation, completely updating their parents. So
to do this, we remove all the hardware and the latches,
the handles, and that strip out the ceiling rubbers and
the opening sashes. We've even take those little furs out
of the ranch sliders and fully recolor the joinery. And
after we've done even builders can't tell a difference. Plus,
we offer an upgrade to modern hardware to replace your

(01:18:32):
handles and latches and just give it a brand new
look without the hassle or expense of replacing it entirely.

Speaker 8 (01:18:38):
Now, Nanoclear operate nationwide, right across the country. How can
people get in touch?

Speaker 15 (01:18:43):
Yeah, just simply visit us at dub dub dub dot,
nanocleare dot co, dot and z. We'll come to your site,
provide you a quote, and we'll guide you through the process.
We have a team of friendly people ready to help
make your elumentum jowinery look new again.

Speaker 8 (01:18:57):
Nanocreas a great solution, Thanks very much, Daniel. So, if
your powder coded surfaces are starting to get tired, or
you're looking to replace, looking to make them look like new,
or change the color of your aluminium joinery or garage doors,
contact Nanoclear. That's nanoclear dot co dot m z z
B right over. Try and get through quick couple of

(01:19:19):
calls before to break anita. Hello there, Hi, how are
you going? Yeah? Very well, thinks.

Speaker 18 (01:19:27):
My question is I've got a nineteen sixties weatherboard. How
this looks like a housing court pouse of that style
in that era. I was told five years ago when
I purchased it that I may need to replace the
roof ridges on the roof at some stage. It isn't

(01:19:49):
a problem yet, but I was really I was just
wanting to know can that be done without replacing the
clay tiles, because I haven't got an issue with the
clay tiles at.

Speaker 8 (01:19:59):
All for the age of the house. Are you sure
it's clay tiles not concrete ones?

Speaker 18 (01:20:05):
I've been told clay tile.

Speaker 8 (01:20:07):
Okay. It's interesting because they're not that common at that vintage, right,
They're quite common earlier on. So I guess what you Yeah?
So let's say that it might actually be a concrete tile,
in which case, yes, you can replace roof tiles. This
is the great thing generally with concrete tile roofs is
that you know individual tiles can be removed and replaced.

(01:20:29):
Ridge tiles that might have broken could be replaced, or
in some cases someone might come along lift the ridge,
capping up, chip off the mortar, redo the mortar and
reuse the if they're in a suitable condition. Reuse the
existing roof tiles roof ridges and just replace the ones
that might be broken. Sometimes sourcing them can be a

(01:20:50):
bit of a challenge, and obviously whoever does the work,
they should be able to offer you a warranty or
some sort of guarantee about the weather tightness of the
job at the end. But yes, it's definitely repairable.

Speaker 18 (01:21:04):
Right okay, And as far as establishing who does that
sort of work, what's the best way to google? Google that?

Speaker 8 (01:21:15):
Look, there are a couple of large companies out there,
so Edwards and Hardy's. There's a few others if you
do a Google search, But someone like Edwards and Hardy's,
for example, have been around for a long time, and
there might be other specialists in repair and maintenance of
existing concrete tile roofs. Yeah, they'll be out there without

(01:21:36):
a debt.

Speaker 18 (01:21:36):
It's just just in case question.

Speaker 8 (01:21:40):
Yeah, I think it's it's unlikely that you're going to
be faced with sort of a complete replacement. You should
be able to repair it. All the very best to you,
take care of Thanks, Anita, all the best. So after
the break, Chris Pink, the Minister for Building and Construction,
will be joining me. To be fair, there's a lot

(01:22:00):
of announcements that have been made, including just recently a
decision that seventy square meter granny flat will be able
to be built without necessarily requiring a building consent and
so on. We're not going to touch on that. We're
going to be talking about BCA's and we're going to
be talking about cowboy builders. So straight after the break

(01:22:20):
we'll take a text if you've got time and if
the Minister's got time, But looking forward to a chat
with Chris Pink straight after eight o'clock eight thirty. We're
into the garden with Red Climb.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
Pasted doing up the house, sorting the garden.

Speaker 1 (01:22:32):
Asked Pete for a hand as a resident builder with
Peter Wolfcap call oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty US
Talks Envy.

Speaker 8 (01:22:39):
Well, very good morning, welcome back to the program. Just
gone six and a half minutes after eight. It is
my great pleasure this morning to welcome back to the program.
We had an opportunity to talk with the Minister of
Building and Construction last year on the show, and I
reached out recently given that I guess this was fairly
clearly signaled there would be a number of changes from

(01:23:01):
this government with regard to building, particularly with a focus
on trying to prove efficiency, trying to make it more
affordable to build houses in New Zealand. So it is,
as I mentioned, great pleasure to welcome back to the program,
Chris Pink. Thank you very much for your time on
a Sunday morning.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
How are you, Chris, Good morning, Peter.

Speaker 15 (01:23:21):
It's a pleasure to be with you on the show today.

Speaker 8 (01:23:23):
Yeah, hey, looking forward to it. And can I just
say too, I've really appreciated the fact that I've been
to a number of events this year, whether it's a
little factory out by the airport in Hamilton with a
guy who's doing three D printing, or out at the
Stark Windows factory, a little while ago, and you're there

(01:23:45):
and one of the things one of them. Without wanting
to ingratiate myself or anything, but one of the feedbacks
I get is that you are seemingly genuinely interested in
the issue in your portfolio and you're out there talking
to people all the time. So good on you.

Speaker 15 (01:24:00):
Oh well, I really appreciate that. I mean, for my part,
I think i'd be mad if I wasn't engaged with
You're doing the thing, building the things and knowing the things.
Com clearly you know you're everywhere too, so yeah, yeah,
setting out those great events.

Speaker 8 (01:24:15):
And places that we see awesome. Okay, Now, look, there
are we could choose from any number of topics, but
I promised that i'd stick to two of them. So
just in terms of the I suppose you're looking to
get efficiency gains in the consenting process. And I guess
ever since you've become the Minister for Building and Construction,
people have come to you and said it takes too

(01:24:37):
long to get a building consent, and so there's some
changes there. Can you just step us through what the
changes are likely to be?

Speaker 15 (01:24:46):
Yeah, I mean there's a really big picture where we
ask if the people giving the consents at the moment
are the right ones at the moment. Of course, it's
your local council and there are sixty six ers days
across the country, so that's a big piece of work
that we're trying to get to the bottom of. There's
the question around whether they should have the liability that
they do. Namely, you know, something goes wrong and the

(01:25:08):
builder there's nowhere to be found or genuinely runs out
of money, and the events the claim for a defect,
then the ratepayers are on the hook. So those are
a sort of big picture questions swirling around. But in
the meantime, actually from the very start, I thought, well,
we need some data to actually understand if the things
that people are telling me and it dotally are true,
which is that oftentimes they'll apply for content it will

(01:25:29):
take a lot longer than the x tree period, which
is to say, what the law sets out of twenty
week and days and it dotally, you know, it does
take longer than now often because further information will be
requested in RFI and it'll stop the clock. And there's
a bit of cinisism out there, and maybe sometimes it's justified,
but in fairness to the councils, and I did try

(01:25:50):
to make this point a week ago, maybe not clearly enough,
but in finners to the council, sometimes they get pretty
poor applications for building contents and they think they genuinely
need to spend a bit of extra time going back
and forth to get to the bottom of that before
they can rightly sign those off. So maybe it's a
bit on bo sites, but certainly if we can get
past that and understand what the incentives on the system,

(01:26:10):
then you maybe we'll lean up with a system that
is quicker and if we're more affordable for people who
are trying to build on please you.

Speaker 8 (01:26:17):
I acknowledge that, because again in discussions within the industry,
certainly it did feel a little bit like the problem
is always with the council. And I'm not here to
defend the councils, but I would imagine that they get
plans submitted to them that are of poor quality, and
so it's quite justified that they stop the clock send

(01:26:37):
out an RFI because the quality is poor. So I
guess there is that, and then there's potentially that they
are actually taking too long or the processing teams are
not able to deal with the workload and that's holding
things up. One of the other changes you're talking about
is the potential for one portal for the lodgment of

(01:27:00):
building consents. What's the work around that.

Speaker 15 (01:27:04):
Yeah, I mean that's really important idea to my mind,
and just reflecting back actually the thing that people say
to me when they're out there trying to do the
building work, be it you design professionals. Of course Frital
starts having architectural design licensed building practitioners or of course
those on the tools and the whole point there is
that for those who are operating across more than one

(01:27:25):
council boundary, which is actually many within a region, but
also those are operating at a nationwide scale, it has
to interact with different systems. It's probably literally different logins
and different ways of uploading documents and receiving things back.
Just speaks to the bigger problem about the lack of
consistency and ease of dealing with different councils across the country.

(01:27:45):
And of course that's a real drag on productivity if
we don't enable people to sort of get on and
use the same design from one town to the next.
And it's part of that bigger picture that we're trying
to get past of everything being so bespoke, so one off,
and really not able to get the efficiency gains that
you should be able to expect. In BETWEENY first and three.

Speaker 8 (01:28:07):
Is what that single point of contact? What would that
look like? So essentially a sort of a central agency
that all of your building consents are entered into one
portal and then distributed to the bcas.

Speaker 15 (01:28:20):
Yeah, I mean that that could be one that's more
or less the models that we've talked about as a
single national B THEA or building Consent authority. But I
should note for the sake of completeness, there are a
couple of other possibilities that we've been consulting on. One
is to have a map of New Zealand drawn with

(01:28:41):
boundaries along regional lines and say, well, if you're within
that region, you've got to have a single point of
contact or you know, essentially a single maybe a legal
entity and separated out from the councils. And then and
then the other option would just be sort of a
variation of that where some councils actually, to give a
lot of credit words due are looking to consolidate those

(01:29:03):
functions already across regional boundaries. So many councils have said,
look our mates across the way, you know, we want
to sort of see some resources when it comes to
creditation or maybe the personnel. You know, a small council
particularly and someone goes on lead that that puts them
in difficult position. So that's sort of the other kind
of big, big model that could be done. But just
to really sorry, just to quickly go back to that

(01:29:25):
initial possibility that you've mentioned. I think some sort of
national system, whether it's a single IT system and portal
and then it gets distributed out is a distinct possibility.
And of course the other thing to turn in the
mix there would be the possibility of private building contend
authorities such as are actually already allowed for in the legislation,

(01:29:46):
but that don't yet exist.

Speaker 8 (01:29:48):
Right, Okay, So there's there's lots of changes there. And
you've mentioned a couple of times we have a large
number of BCA's right building con send authorities. So how
likely do you think it is that we'll see that
number reduced? That there will be, either with their agreement
or top down a move to consolidate the number of bcas.

Speaker 15 (01:30:10):
I would say it's absolutely inevitable that the number will do. Yeah,
simply not tenable to have sixty six different interpretations of
a single building code, whether or not there are all
the way down to one or may or maybe something
you know, literally in between.

Speaker 7 (01:30:25):
It could be.

Speaker 15 (01:30:25):
I mean, you can imagine thirty regions, for example, and
I've just made up that number, sure mathematically, but you
can imagine a couple of different nations. But but certainly
the biggesting model isn't working, and so do expect it
there'll be a lot fewer than our sixty six in
terms of what we come up with.

Speaker 8 (01:30:40):
So in terms of the reporting that you've asked back
from the BCAS, I think the first graphic has come
out there, you know, with some councils processing most of
their consents within twenty days, some taking considerably longer. Are
you asking BCAS to report back? Is it every quarter?

Speaker 7 (01:30:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:30:57):
Correct?

Speaker 6 (01:30:58):
Quarter?

Speaker 2 (01:30:58):
Okay, quarterly?

Speaker 8 (01:31:01):
What do you hope to achieve by that?

Speaker 15 (01:31:04):
Well, we want to build up a picture of because
what's tepping up there? Because yeah, I mean again anecdotal evidence,
you know, it's evidence of a type. But suddenly a
lot of people have said to me they get the
RAF on the nineteenth day, and they're suspicious and suspicious
that right stopping the clock. You've got the councilors who say, oh,
we you know, we process everything within the time frame,
but you know that the counting as though, you know

(01:31:25):
that the time doesn't elapse when when they're asking for
that further information. But in the real word, of course,
if you're borrowing money to do a new build, or
if you're simply waiting to have the use of the
house back, you know that that's not particularly meaningful to
hear that. You know, by some technical measure, other times
frames have been reached. So it's really a good faith
effort to try and get behind that, and also to
understand you know, some councils actually managing us pretty well,

(01:31:48):
in others not so much so, just to sort of
look at that regial variation, but not in a finger
pointing or blame game kind of a way.

Speaker 8 (01:31:54):
Yeah, okay, because again anecdotally, and I know we've used
that phrase a number of times, but you will often
hear this where you know, let's say developer working across
a couple of different councils will find that he gets
different responses from different councils as if there are multiple
building codes, but there's not. There's one Building Act and

(01:32:15):
one Building Code, but it seems the interpretation varies, which
must be incredible. It is incredibly frustrating.

Speaker 15 (01:32:22):
Absolutely, I mean that's frustrating for them. But of course,
you know, overall, if you think about the system that
lacks productivity and has the same you know, per per
person our output as we the year nineteen eighty five,
it's just crazy and we've got to get past that.
And so if you think about the incentives that you know,
from a council point of view, again, in the sake

(01:32:43):
of fairness, each of those is its own separate legal
entity with all rbility. They can't say, oh, well that
you know, the ABC District council down the road approved
these plans. They must be fine. You know, they've got
to go through that themselves because otherwise they could be
on the hook and their ratepayers could bear the burden
of something going wrong. So you know, again it's it's

(01:33:04):
fairs to not where the incentives lie. But they're not
the right place. Acerson could tell.

Speaker 8 (01:33:08):
Okay, so we're going to make some changes there by
the sound of it, we're going to take a short break,
but I'd like to come back and talk about your
more recent announcement. And lots of people have text through
about the seventy square meter granny flat, but we'll leave
that for another day. But I do want to come
back and talk about Cowboy builders and what you might
be able to do about that in just a moment.
So joining me this morning on the program, Chris Pink,
Minister for Construction and or Building and Construction, will be

(01:33:31):
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Speaker 8 (01:33:43):
With me on the program is the Minister for Construction
and Building and Construction, Chris Pink. Thank you very much
for joining us on a Sunday morning. I am getting
a bunch of texts and so I just want to
do this one first. Take Pete, can you ask the
Minister we had private certifiers under the nineteen ninety one
Building Act. When the leaky homes happened, they shut up
shop and disappeared. If we bring back private certifiers and

(01:34:06):
self certifiers, how will we stop this happening again?

Speaker 19 (01:34:10):
What's your thoughts, Chris, Yeah, I mean not very fair
point that correspondence makes that we desperately need to avoid
any kind of lack of quality or assurance.

Speaker 15 (01:34:21):
So I mean, no decisions have been made in terms
of what the system would look like in terms of
building concent authorities. But I would just know that actually
at the moment when councils get overwhelmed by having too
many applications, one of the things they do is they
pass them out to private certifiers by a different name
or maybe by that name, but not being the building

(01:34:43):
in central authorities themselves, and they do the work and
then pass it back to the council, and the council
says to the developer, He've got a version of that
already is in all of us. You know, what can
you do to make sure that you're not going to
have some dubius outfit making decisions that are going to
leave a consumers such as homeowners or anyone really who's

(01:35:05):
who's who's getting buil vulnerable and in the large nicture
of the effects all of people, retirement, savings at stake
and soul, we know we've got to get that right,
So we're not going to move in any direction that
could risk the quality and doesn't It is in fact
by you know, pret mechanisms, be it private insurance, maybe
public assurance, or a FIDELND or one of those models

(01:35:28):
for example they use in Australia. So we're very mindful
of the need not to have either an individual building
level defect go no good or bad to going unpunished
in that sense, or a system wie failure. God for
the the lety bids we.

Speaker 8 (01:35:44):
Have outs for buildings. I'm guessing you know, as government,
you'd go into it with a very different lens than
back in nineteen ninety one.

Speaker 6 (01:35:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:35:52):
Absolutely, I mean the lesson seemed to me to be
pretty well ranged and we're not going to tune the
clock back on that. But at the same time, I
would also just gently point out that we have a
building crisis at this country in this country at the moment,
and it's said it costs so jolly much to a
lot of can't afford that, and that's not fair to them,

(01:36:13):
it's not good for communities and all the social outcomes.
And if you think of kids not tuning up to
school because parents have been moved around from one and
secure and talk to the next. You know, there's a
lot at stake. Were simply as a balance, and we've
we've obviously going to try and get that right.

Speaker 8 (01:36:28):
Okay, the other thing, And again, I'm very aware that
there's been a number of announcements and I'm really keen
to talk about a whole lot of things, so we'll
probably get you on. But I again, but I do
want to talk about this announcement with regard to strengthening
the disciplinary process for you know, for one of a
better term cowboy builders. Right, And I read out a

(01:36:48):
story today, it's in the Herald online, it's in the
newspaper today about a couple who lost about one hundred
and ten thousand dollars to a builder that took an
extra couple of years, left the work unfinished, still hasn't
got coded compliance and so on. And so the censure
for that particular builder, seventeen hundred bucks hasn't even had
a license suspended. So what is it that you want

(01:37:11):
to do? Because to be fair, when I when I
heard the announcement, I thought, well, hang on, you're already
talking about things that are already there. The disciplinary board's
been there, the ability to censure LBPS has been there
to implement fines. What's changing?

Speaker 15 (01:37:25):
Yeah, a very good question, and I just to acknowledge
I'm obviously I come in on that case not having
read that, but b because I mean number one, it
sounds like it's one of very many in the space.
So there's a lot of something that's broken at a
system level.

Speaker 17 (01:37:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:37:38):
Yeah, so we're without knowing as circumstances, it is all
too common to hear about this. So so it's a
matter of fairness that we do something about that. But
actually as well, if I can, just if you're only
just indulge me for a moment, to get back into
the bigger picture, you know, to the extent that we
can be more enabling for trusted building professionals who do
have a good track record and and you know, will

(01:37:59):
be accountable and not simply disappear off into the distance
of things go badly. If we're going to be more
enabling there to beat up with system, we also need
to say, well, actually, who cannot be trusted to do that?
And where do we actually need to be more you know,
accountable and in place greater scrutiny and The answer is,
you know, I've used the phrase cowboys, and I know
it's a bit club to sort of use that, that

(01:38:22):
that's vernacular, but people do have a good.

Speaker 8 (01:38:24):
Understand I think everyone knows what you mean. So why
not yeah, exactly.

Speaker 15 (01:38:27):
Yeah, So in terms of what we do, I mean,
there are a few different ways you can attack this.
One actually is an interesting disconnect I've discovered, which is
that whereas council inspectors in building control offices sometimes say
we've got some terrible work going on around the past.
You know, I've gone out and I've seen some of this,
they're not making it up. There are some pretty bad
practices out.

Speaker 8 (01:38:47):
Pretty shorekeepers thing going on.

Speaker 15 (01:38:48):
Yeah, yeah, that's right. If I talk to the Building
Practitioners Board and they say, well, we don't we're not
always aware of this, you know. So this is a
body that does the disciplinary stuff, but it doesn't get
reported to them, and sometimes it doesn't, and it's no
requirement for it to be reported. Sure, we're just going
to continue to get what we've always had. So that's one.
Another thing is to give them the tools that they
need in attempts enforcing remedial action, like training orders, which

(01:39:13):
is pretty much.

Speaker 9 (01:39:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:39:16):
So sometimes it might be poor performance, but it might
be amount of ethics. It might just simply be that
a builder doesn't know what he or she is doing,
and it's a hod of, you know, basically getting them
to come up to scratch and then they can carry
on and everyone will be happy going forward. But she
is no diary teeth.

Speaker 6 (01:39:32):
At the moment.

Speaker 15 (01:39:33):
That so add that to greater disciplinary penalties, which is
something we haven't announced, but except to say that we're
looking at that as well. Now, I think we start
to build up a bit of a picture of how
we can have a bit more teeth are for those
cowboy builders that are otherwise leaving people very much for
rest in some cases.

Speaker 8 (01:39:52):
Because surprisingly, given that the Code of Ethics for LBPS
has been in place since I think October twenty twenty two,
I'm still a little bit surprised more alarmingly the builders
that I talk to who don't know about it. And
then I'm saying to clients these days, if you're contracting
with a builder, you should read it yourself, right. It

(01:40:13):
is actually a really good piece of legislation came in
twenty twenty two. Familiarize yourself with it because I suspect
that most disputes with LBPS are actually around their practice
rather than the actual building.

Speaker 15 (01:40:27):
Yes, I'm sure that's true. Yeah, Yeah, that's interesting. I mean,
if if you've found a general lack of out there
on that, then there'll be a way to be a problem.
But if even some of the other trades without getting
to them one by one, don't hit that kind of
cod of ethics basis as well, and it's a problem
if you want to tell someone to count for, you know,
practices that might be around lack of communication or handling

(01:40:48):
of money as opposed to the actual building us themselves
in for worknership. As you say, I've.

Speaker 8 (01:40:55):
Had a number of texts that have complained at the
fact that I haven't asked you about granny flats. But
what we did decide is that and you are very
generous and offering that to come into the studio and
do some talk back on this. So we'll pin down
a date for that and we'll we'll get you back.
And can I also say too, just in that recent announcement,
that I think the idea of a waterproofing class for

(01:41:16):
LBPS is good. I think it's been a gap in
the system that it seems like now MB's going to
plug pardon the pun, about waterproofing for a new waterproofing class.
I think that's really good.

Speaker 15 (01:41:31):
Yeah, I think let's beck and as you say, we
can get into many other areas, but thin Granni flips
on a future occasion as time allows. But I'm sending
me up to the conversation. But can I just acknowledge
the point around the waterproofing cost Actually that specifically came
out of the consultation on the Grannie fats you. Yes,
clearly level entry showers yep, you know, proven that kind

(01:41:52):
of accommodation, and so we listen to that feedback and thought, well,
actually this was probably something more generally across the board
that we need to provide for.

Speaker 8 (01:41:59):
Okay, Chris, thank you very much for your time this morning.
I'll reach out to your people, they'll talk to my people.
We'll get a time when you can come into the
studio and we'll let loose the telephone lines and you
can have a chat with people here at ZB. Appreciate
your time this morning. Pleasure take care. Yes. So in
answer to the person that goes what's the text peak,
very disappointed in you and zb you're talking to Chris

(01:42:21):
Pink immediately after the seventy square meter granny flat announcement
and you're not prepared to ask him questions. This has
huge implications property owners and the construction industry. Given that
there has been announcement, there should also be the ability
to tusk it straight away, not in a month's time.
Won't be listening to you again, thank you. I would
suggest you do listen because the Minister will come in
and we'll talk about it in depth. This is what

(01:42:42):
I decided that we would talk about when I reached
out to him two weeks ago prior to the announcement
on Friday. Righty, oh, let's go into the garden. A
red kline past is standing by. I think he's happily
at the departure lounge maybe at christ Church Airport. Will
reach out to Ridd and we will talk all things
gardening and the wonderful world of bugs. And for those

(01:43:04):
people that call in, here's your incentive. We've got a
Clark cultivator. You've heard talk about them. I've used them myself.
We've got one of those to give away on the
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