Full Show Podcast: 30 March 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter wolf
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The house sizzle even when it's dark, even when the
grass is overgrown in the yard, even when the dog.

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Is too old to borrow.

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And when you're sitting at the table trying not to stop.

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House scissor hole.

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Love your molls, you.

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Locals, vestball when they're gone leaving.

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Never has, even when we'll burn, even when you're in
there alone.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Well, a very very good morning and welcome along to
the Resident Builder on Sunday. That's with three Pete off
Camp and we are here too. Basically, well, talk about
your place. So if you've got a little project on,
maybe you're doing some alterations, maybe you're doing some renovations,
maybe you're just looking to the you know, the days
are getting a bit shorter, it's a little bit cooler.

(02:04):
I was going to say the rain has started, but
realistically it hasn't anyway, not in this part of the country,
and we're kind of getting a bit desperate for it
to be fair. But we're thinking about, you know, what's
it going to be like when the rain comes and
the wind comes, and have we sorted out that window
that doesn't quite close, or perhaps some downpipes that are
not quite working as well as they should. So if

(02:26):
you've got a project on and you'd like to talk
about it, well, I'd love to listen. Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call nine two
nine two or zbzb from the text machine. That'll get
you straight into the studio. And I've just logged into
my email, so if you would like to send an email,
it is Pete at newstalksb dot co dot nz. So

(02:47):
Pete p E t E at newstalksb dot co dot nz.
I trust you've had a good week. If you've been
doing projects, then I trust you've had a productive week.
You know, there's there's kind of a satisfaction that comes
with undertaking the task, but also that sense of satisfaction, right,
I wanted to do it. I've done it, you know,

(03:09):
I can move on to the next task. I was
reminding myself of that yesterday as I was in the
workshop in the late afternoon priming. What have I got
about one hundred and forty lineal meters of one fifty
x one fifty x twenty five tongue and groove decking,
So it's h three point two treated. The guys. I

(03:30):
ordered it a little while ago, and the guys went, oh, yeah, okay,
he obviously wants it really soon. So when I went
to pick it up the other day, because I didn't
actually need it as soon as I thought I did,
that's another story, isn't it. It turns out that it
wasn't pre primed. So I was down at Razine yesterday,
got a tin of four liter ten of oil based primer,

(03:50):
set myself up a little jig because of course, if
you're priming, pre priming tongue and groove, you've got to
get into the groove and around the tongue and then well,
podcast in, yeah, powards in brush ready, tin ready, and
we're in it in the workshop, little production line, going
to do that. So and actually speaking about painting, because

(04:11):
I was talking a good mate Jay from Razine on
the Friday, just making sure I was using the right
product and the right application. So I'm going to do
an oil based undercoat, then I'm going to do a
code of quick dry, and then once the decking is laid,
which should be in a couple of weeks hopefully, then
I'll go over the top with my top coats, which
will be water borne. Good news, as he gave me

(04:33):
all the advice, I asked him all the questions, so
I don't need to ask him in question today, but
there is an opportunity for you to ask him in question.
So at around seven twenty this morning, Jay from Razine
will be joining us, and if you've got a question
of painting nature, then please text those through. So that's
nine two, nine to two. We'll line them up and

(04:53):
we'll race through a whole series of your questions around
painting with Jay at about seven thirty this morning. But
right now it is a general opportunity to talk all
things building and construction. I may have me last week,
and it's absolutely true that there's a vast number, seemingly
a series of events and announcements on the way from

(05:15):
the Government with regard to self certification, with regard to
sort of an investigation or a little bit of clarity
around how long it takes building Consent Authorities bcas to
process building consents and what can be done to speed
that process up. There's going to be a couple of
other announcements on the way as well, so I reached

(05:37):
out to Chris Pink, the Member Member of Parliament and
the current Minister for Building and Construction during the course
of the week, and he's going to join us on
the show next Sunday for a bit of an interview. Actually,
very generously, he did offer to come into the studio
and take some calls, and I thought, well, actually, given
that there's a number of announcements coming up, we might

(05:59):
just push that back a month and then we will
We'll get Chris Pink into the studio and you can
ask questions of him, but at this stage next week
it'll just be questions, maybe some text questions, and certainly
I've got a whole bunch of questions for a brief
interview with Chris Pink, the Minister next Sunday on the show.
But right now it is your opportunity, so we to

(06:20):
be fair. Look, folks, we got off to a slow
start last week. So if you're listening and you're thinking, God,
I do have a question and I never get time
to ask it, now's a perfect time to ring O
eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you've got
a question of a building nature, whether it's you know,
the practical side of things, how do I do this?
The kind of theoretical in terms of what regulations apply,

(06:42):
which rules apply? In fact, who was I this week? Oh,
a couple of events that I went to in talking
to a young guy who's a former building inspector and
also building survey now and we got onto talking about
h one.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Oh that's right.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
I had an interesting discussion with a guy around tiling
and tiling showers, and both of us came to the
conclusion that unfortunately, the legislation is not terribly clear around
whether when you need a building consent for a tile shower.
So we can we can talk about that a little
bit as well on the program. So practical things, theoretical things,

(07:20):
and maybe some tips and tricks of getting a job
done just a little bit quicker. I mean, look, it
was as simple as this. Yesterday, the day before I
knew that I have to. So I've docked all my
boards roughly to length, knowing that I'm going to have
to trim the front edge off once I lay the
decking boards, I'm going to have to paint the edges
the tongue and the groove of this tongue groove board.

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So I just made a couple of little brackets, timber
ones that I have on the bench that I can
stand the board up in so that I don't have
to hold it while I'm trying to paint the edge.
Little things like that. Oh eight hundred, I'll send you
a photo. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Let's rip
into it. The lines are open. My name's people off Camp,
the resident builder, and we are talking all things building
and construction. I've got an interesting update too on if

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you recall I mentioned this a couple of times during
the program. Today. A couple of weeks ago, we had
the opportunity to talk with Charlotte McEwan from One Tree
Hill College. They have done a complete rebuild of an
old Kaina Aura house. So it was a it was
a house offer development site. They bought it for a

(08:26):
dollar off Ko had it shipped to one Tree Hill
College in Auckland the students and some local LBP builders
and I have to say some tremendous companies that got
on board with this. They've completely refurbished the house. And
when I say refurbished, it is now home Star seven,
so New Zealand Green Building Council home Star seven rated

(08:47):
house which makes it exceptionally eco friendly and energy efficient.
And that's going up for sale on Thursday, so check
it out. Barfat and Thompson would have it on their website.
You'll find it on trade me as well. It is
a fantastic event. I'm going to pop along. I don't

(09:07):
know that I'll put my hand up for it. I'm
not sure what I would do with a very very
good three bedroom house, but hey, if you know someone
who wants one, you should be at the auction on
set on Thursday four o'clock. Looking forward to that, right,
let's get amongst it, folks. Oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number. It is just on six
fifteen and Tony, a very good morning to you, Good.

Speaker 7 (09:28):
Morning to your again to talk to you again.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
Thank you.

Speaker 7 (09:32):
I've got a question. We had a house that was
category three, and then we sold it and I bought
another one of colonial wooden windows. Yes, the thing is,
before I bought it, people to put it on the
market just put cheap paint all over the windows. Right now.
I knew when I bought it it didn't have aluminium,

(09:53):
but that you can't have everything in life. So I'm
about at the stage where I need to start doing
the windows. The windows are all opening and closing. There's
only one catch broken. I've got to take a bit
of timber off a couple of the side. Sure, but
do I need to take all that paint off back
to the bear timber. My thoughts were that I'd use

(10:17):
with the shore seal all based and then put a
good top coat on. Being more than one, would that
be what I should do?

Speaker 3 (10:30):
I guess the thing that causes me to take a
breath for a second is that someone's applied perhaps and
not particularly good paint over the top of existing paint.
So if you.

Speaker 7 (10:41):
Apply it correct, that's absolutely correct.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
Yeah. So if you then apply another coat, even if
you use something like shore seal, right, which is to
be fair, it's more it's a pigmented seala that I
would typically use on bear or on plaster board surfaces
that have been painted. I'm I'm more than happy to
ask jay At in about an hour's time. But I
would think that the concern is that you will apply

(11:06):
a coat to the top of a coat that's not
particularly well adhered, and that eventually that will your top
coat will peel off with the coat below it. So
I think at the very least you would want to
hit all of the windows with like a tungsten scraper
or possibly even some paint stripper and try and get
rid of that top coat. You might find that the

(11:28):
coat underneath is actually reasonably firm, and at that point
I would give that a primer coat, probably an oil
based one, and then.

Speaker 8 (11:37):
Go overficient man look.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
I typically have always used sure seal where I've got
existing plaster board. You know, like let's say you repair
a section of a wall and you've got some new
plastering and some new job board, and you've got some
old plaster board that's already had a coat of paint
on it. I'll use it in that instance there just
to bind everything together outside. I typically I'm a little

(12:02):
bit old fashioned with this. I typically use an oil
based primer for my timber joinery. You can finish in
a water born enamel, which is really good and a
little bit easier to apply for exterior, although saying that
I typically for my own jobs, I'll often use an
enamel on my joinery outside as well.

Speaker 7 (12:24):
So oil based, oil based and top coat.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Yeah, you can get a little bit of yellowing with
light colors. You know, whites tend to yellow a little bit.
That's one of the only criticisms of it. I find
that I'll live with that. Basically, if I want the durability, because.

Speaker 7 (12:44):
I want to do it once, I want to do
it well. Three quarters of the house I can get to.
But being a colonial, you've got the timbers in between
the small pieces of as well, so it's going to
be quite a job to do it.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
But what it comes down to is that you need
to be really confident that the surface that you're applying
your new top coats to is bonding with the timber.
And if it feels like they've whacked a coat of
acrylic over the top, maybe they haven't done a great
deal of preparation.

Speaker 7 (13:14):
Then that none you can see it.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
Yeah, hit it with a tungsten point, hit it with
a tungsten scraper initially.

Speaker 7 (13:21):
Different the scraper is that different to your sutordinate scraper
and buy it bunning then no, no, no.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
It probably is the same. I typically get I'm not
sure who makes them, but they have an interchangeable blade, right,
so you can replace the blades. So you can buy scrapers,
but then unless you know how to sharpen them, they
do get a bit dark. So that the tungsten ones
are great because when the little tungsten blade, which is
about an inch long about half an inch wide, when

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that dulls, you can flip it over, use the other side,
and when it's really dull, throw it away, replace the blade.
But typically if you you know, if you use that
to scrape the surface and material comes off easily, well
then you know you've got to carry on with the prep.
If you scrape it and it seems to hold there
and it's not terribly crazed and that sort of thing,
you can send it, prep it and then top coat.

Speaker 7 (14:10):
But it's a good work fifty one years old, so
I mean, yeah, but be solid.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
Oh yeah, absolutely. Look you might find a little bit
of rot, you know, in a corner of a sill
or something like that. But again, you can fetch that
rot out and the windows will be good at least
for another fifty years.

Speaker 7 (14:25):
So I should do that tongusten rather than just use
a multi tool or something. We should just grind it away.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah, look you might. I mean it's a little bit
harder on your hands using the tungsten, but you'll find
actually that it takes off that loose material quite quickly.

Speaker 7 (14:40):
Okay, look, no, thank you so much. I'll let you
know how.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
Please do you take care, take good care, Thank you, Tony.
We'll talk to Philip in a moment. Quick text. My
deck doesn't get a lot of sun. Do I need
to stay? And that's a very good question for Jay
Sharple's from Razine. He'll be with us just over an
hour's time. Right, the lines are open. Now's the time

(15:04):
to call. It is twenty one minutes after six with
with Philip in just a moment.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
Whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing with fans, or wondering
how to fix that hole in the wall. Give Peter
wolf Cap call on eight the Resident builder on news
dog zeb.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
I'm hoping I've got to this just in time. So
last week Debbie sent me an email at around this
time and mentioned the fact that she was heading off
to work and asked a quick question about bathroom extraction
and one hundred year old wooden house. Well, as it happens,
that was exactly what I did. I get it finished
last week. Yeah, I pretty much did until I got

(15:39):
to the exterior grill. So this is a little project
that's been on my list as well. So I've replaced
the fan, I've run new one hundred and fifty miliducting
along the ceiling and then where you duck out. Often
this is a real challenge for all sorts of extraction.
Is typically you know there's there's lots of space in
the ceiling, but then when you get to the exterior,

(16:02):
whether you're dropping over the top plate and in to
a safite or in my case, the safite is pretty
much level with the top plate, and so you've got
to you've got one hundred and fifty milimeter round, but
then suddenly you've only got one hundred millimeters height to
transfer through. The temptation is to take that flexible ducting
and kind of just squish it down a little bit

(16:24):
and then poke it out through the safit. But that's
not great. It tends to impede the flow, and so
all of the recommendations from the ventilation extraction experts is
you need to keep the same volume of ducting. So
I transferred from a one to fifty round to two
one hundred and twenty by ninety rectangular section, so round

(16:47):
to rectangular, then had an elbow, so a ninety degree bend,
and then I could drop out through my safit. What
I couldn't find, as it happens, was a grill that
fitted there. So in a moment of inspiration, just quickly
as I was standing at my local resource recovery center
we don't call them to anymore resource recovery center, about

(17:08):
to throw the old one into the skip or actually
the metal part was going to go for recycling. The
plastic could also be cycled. I looked at the old
grill and thought, hmm, I could make a new grill
out of the old grill. So that's how I finished
the safit detail anyway, Debbi, So that's hopefully an idea
for you as well. So if you're doing the bathroom,

(17:29):
what you want. The key to extraction is putting the
extractor in the right place in the bathroom which often
is not actually immediately above the shower, which is the
mistake that I made some years ago, but anyway, I
can't fix that right now. The other thing is to
make sure that you're a ducting runs as level as

(17:49):
possible and as straight as possible and as short a
route as possible to the exterior, that you size the
fan correctly, and ideally if you've got a fan, you're
either going to have one that has a run on
timer so that when you finished in the bathroom and
you turn the hour off to the fan, it actually
runs for another five minutes or so, because typically we're

(18:11):
in the bathroom, we create lots of steam, and then
we finish in the bathroom, turn everything off and go,
but there's still quite a lot of steam in that space,
so that's a key to it. The other key is
that you don't crush the ducting as it goes to
the exterior. That's really important as well, and increasingly now
and I've got one of these to install another projects

(18:32):
Simmis so Simx have developed a range of extractor fans
for wet areas that have a humidity sensor in them
as well, so they run constantly at a very low flow,
which is great for ventilation and extraction inside your house,
and then they ramp up when it senses that, hey,
someone's using the shower. Basically we've got lots of humidity here.

(18:53):
It ramps up and then reduces its rate, but constantly runs,
and that's really really good. The other key factor for
good extraction in a bathroom is making sure that air
can get into the bathroom. So underneath the door, I
think the recommendation is as much as a twenty mil gap,
but even if it was, let's say fifteen mil, that's good.

(19:14):
You know, when you trim doors off often you're going,
I'm going to make that gap as little as possible,
because that's really professional. But in a bathroom, you actually
want that gap to be a reasonable amount so that
you've got air coming into the room as you're trying
to suck it out. Otherwise you're just creating a vacuum
and that doesn't work particularly well for extraction. Hopefully that's
some ideas. Debian. Good luck with your renovation. Hello Philip.

Speaker 9 (19:39):
Today, my question there is a product in insolmax insulation.
Is their right to use in your opinion.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
So in saying this, you're being very specific about the
product and the supplier. Because there are a number of
blowing insulation systems, right, So some of them are foam,
some of them are fibers, some are injected. Yeah, they're

(20:10):
all essentially injected systems. What's your situation? Where are you
looking to use it?

Speaker 10 (20:19):
Got a weather board house, yep, built in the fifties,
iron roof, bats under the floor, beats in the ceiling,
but nothing in the walls. Double glazing windows all around,
and yeah, it's.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
The walls are now You're kind of your one week spot,
aren't they. If you've gone to the extent of insulating
the ceiling, you've got some insulation under floor, you've gone
to the double glazing, which is great. Then the heat.
One of the interesting things I learned just a couple
of months ago, and I suppose I'd always sort of
thought this, but I'd never had it written down in

(20:57):
front of me, is that heat transfer is unstoppable. Right.
The process of heat essentially trying to level out of
its cold inside and warm inside. The world wants to equalize,
and so heat will transfer through any particular barrier that
we can imagine it will all so, but what we're

(21:19):
trying to do is slow it down. Right, So at
the moment you've blocked off all of these passages for
heat transfer, but your walls, if they are essentially plasterboard,
timber framing and some weather boards on the outside, heat
will escape through there and through gaps and cracks and
so on. I think I'll be really, really honest, I

(21:41):
have often been skeptical of the blowing or injected insulation
systems for walls. My own experience some years ago was
working on an older house where I had to remove
exterior cladding. We were doing some alterations and I could
see some of the injected systems that have been injected,

(22:02):
and you could see how moisture had affected it. There
was the beginning of a bit of mold growth. You
could also see where it hadn't been extensive, right, it
hadn't filled up all of the gaps. And one of
the things we know about insulation is that if it's
not well installed, if there are gaps, its effectiveness drops
quite considerably. Even small grap gaps will drop it down

(22:24):
by fifteen to twenty percent, right effectiveness. So if you're
working in a space that you can't see, that's particularly challenging,
isn't it. You know, how do I know that I've
got insulation everywhere? So those are some of the challenges.
At the same time, Inevitably, whenever I go to you know,

(22:45):
home shows and that sort of thing, and I'm at
these events quite a bit these days, I'll get chatting
with people who do the injected systems, and I'll be
quite blunt with them in terms of saying, you know,
can you convince me that what you're doing is safe,
that it's effective, and it's not going to cause some
unintended harm in the future. And I think some of

(23:06):
the new systems are better than the old system So
they talk a lot of people talk about things being hydrophobic,
as in they won't hold water. So I and then
I've also spoken with people who said, look, I've had
it done to my house, and you know, the amazing
thing is the next day, I notice that it's better, right,

(23:28):
you know that suddenly my house is warmer. So the
other thing. And so I'm just giving you some general principles.
I think if you're engaging with companies that are providing
that product, the one thing that they must do is
that it requires a building consent or something from the
local territorial authority saying that this is an exemption right.

(23:52):
No one who comes to do this work should tell
you don't have to worry about a building consent because
it's quite clear in the Building Act that the addition
of insulation to an existing exterior wall requires a building concent.

Speaker 9 (24:09):
So if it went for bats and we do we
do to go on the inside or take the weatherboards
off and do it from the outside.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
I mean, look, taking the weatherwards off is a much
bigger job. It potentially taking the weatherwards off gives you
an opportunity to do things like, you know, add a
building rap around the outside and try and deal with
air tightness. Again. You know, a lot of the discussion
at the moment in terms of building better is also
talking about air tightness. So you know, your house, my house,

(24:46):
to be fair, and a whole bunch of other ones.
You know, we might have timber framing and weatherboards, right,
but there might not even there might be some old
tar paper or possibly your house there may not be
any building paper around the outside. So every single gap
and crack that there is in the weatherboards, a scriber
around a flashing bottom of the weather boards, all that

(25:07):
sort of thing. We'll all be allowing air to push
through the building envelope, and that reduces the effectiveness of
any heating Because of air can get in, it can
also get out. And if everything's trying to equalize, you've
got a nice warm room inside and it's ten degrees outside,
it's going to actively be sucking all of that warm
outside of the house with the gaps and cracks. So

(25:29):
if you were to do exterior cladding, almost no one,
I know, unless you're doing a really extensive rebuild or
you're aiming for high performance or something like that, would
go to the extent of taking the exterior cladding off.
Sometimes with old houses, you know, the interior wall linings
have got a bit shabby or they've got wallpaper on them,
so we tend to pull that off. But again, if

(25:52):
that's all, if your intention is to install insulation in
an existing exterior wall, and you're going to do that
by removing the wall lining, technically that requires a building
consent as well. Yeah, you know, and I think look
around there's some really good resources online And again I

(26:14):
really do emphasize this. Whoever ends up doing the job,
they must provide you with documentation to say either it's
a system which has prior approval from councils. This is
what often happens, so rather than them having to go
through and make an individual submission for a building consent,

(26:34):
there'll often be a process where the council goes, okay,
it's that system. We know it works. You've provided me
with some evidence. You know we don't need to come
out and do an inspection. We issue a building consent
and a CCC. Or they'll say okay, we understand the system.
We're prepared to give you an exemption from a building consent,
but again, get the paperwork. Okay, all the us, you

(26:57):
make take care my pleasure, all of us. Hopefully it
didn't sound too heavy, but I think if we're going
to do it, we're going to do it well. And
in fact, where was I? Oh, I was at a
sort of networking event on Friday night which was really
good and one of the guys who was presenting, actually
he probably I'll probably get him on the show in

(27:18):
the next sometime in the next few months. Joe Lythe
who is an architect and passive house designer and currently
now the chair of the Passive House Association for New
Zealand was talking about sort of going to a site
where people were doing insulation and you know, the installation
was poorly installed. There were gaps and cracks and you

(27:39):
could see that they hadn't that either you know, cut
a piece of insulation too short or too narrow, put
it in and left a gap on the side. Those
sorts of you know, poorly installed insulation is not terribly effective.
If you're going to do it, you've got to do
it well. Oh, eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. I am going to have a
rant in a moment. Stand by squeaky door or its

(28:02):
squeaky floor, get the right advice from Peter Wolfgap, the
resident on us talk s b right. Oh, your opportunity
to have your say or ask a question or discuss
a product. I mean, this is one of the things.
And it's interestingly enough, it's likely to become I was
going to say, even more complicated that there may well

(28:22):
be more choice. So one of the things that the
new government not so new these days is it talking about,
is making it easier to import building products into the
country in terms of the compliance pathway for products that
are used and this is quite an important distinction around

(28:42):
a product that is used in conjunction with consented work.
So you know, there's lots of building products that you
can use, paint, sealents, et cetera, that have nothing to
do with the building consent, but there are products that
are specified for use in a building consent. So you

(29:04):
might find, for example, that if you're using particular type
of cladding, the architect or the architectural designer will be
quite clear about saying, this particular sealant is the sealant
to use for maybe a head flashing or a junction
or a corner flashing or something like that. And if
it's specified on the plan, that's the one that you're

(29:25):
supposed to use. And then typically products that are used
with building consents either have a brand's appraisal or they
have a code mark, and those two processes are relatively arduous,
and my understanding is actually quite expensive for companies to
go through. So if you've I'll stick with sealants, right.

(29:47):
So at the moment, if you want to sell a
sealant product onto the market and it's used in restrict
building work or within appli it's or a task that
has got a building consent attached to it, then it
must have brands, appraisal or a.

Speaker 6 (30:06):
Mark.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
The absurdity to some degree, and I'm a big fan
of having the right product, But you know, if you've
got a let's say, a seilant that's been manufactured in
Europe for the last fifty or sixty years, comes from
a company that does extensive research and testing, and then
we bring it into the country and we then have
to ask a local authority to go is this a

(30:30):
good product? You kind of go, it probably is right.
So there's going to be some work in that space.
So again my point was that you know, if there's
already a baffling array of products available for choice, if
this legislation comes through and it frees up the opportunity
for products to be imported from let's say, jurisdictions that

(30:53):
have a similar testing regime to our own, and they
pass compliance in that country, maybe North America, certainly Europe,
a couple of other England, you know, other places around
the world where there's specific testing that's reliable and the
product is manufactured there, then maybe those products can come

(31:13):
in and not have to have local testing in order
to be used in compliant works. That'll be an interesting one, right,
because you haven't called. Now I'm going to have a rant.
So I mentioned before that I was at the Resource
Recovery Center, and I off the cuff sort of mentioned
that we used to call them tips, right, We used
to go dump all out of our stuff on the
ground or in the landfill. In fact, I saw a

(31:35):
fantastic photo the other day on kind of one of
the social media pages that's got old photos, and it
had your typical landfill back in the nineteen seventies. And
one of my abiding memories from childhood was loading up
at home, often with green waste. We lived in pop
a toy driving out to Whitford to the tip that
was on the road out to my right eye there

(31:57):
in the Whitford and it was an old quarry, and
you know, I'd be in the car with Dad and
we'd just drive in there, pay a few bucks. You'd
drive into a huge tipping area revere and just throw
everything on the ground and the bulldoze are to be
running around tracking it all down, and there'd be a
whole row of you know, Vauxhaels and Holden's and Valiants
and that with homemade trailers on the back and knowing us,

(32:21):
we typically had a good fossic around while we were
there and typically came home not quite with as much
as we'd dropped off, but there was always some useful
bits and pieces. But you'd fossic around in the tip
site and all the rest of it. It ain't like
that anymore to some degree, but we still as a
as a country and certainly as an industry, the building
industry are shockingly wasteful. We send so much material to landfill.

(32:47):
So if you have a look in Auckland anyway, this
is where I know the figures about fifty percent of
the volume of material that goes to landfill comes from
the construction sector, right, so it's construction demolition waste. That's
an appalling statistic, to be blunt, fifty percent of the
volume of material going to landfill comes from construction, where

(33:10):
what ten twelve percent of the economy maybe even a
little bit less. So we're punching well above our weight,
and it's an appalling statistic. And there's lots and lots
of material that can be reused. Right So when I
say Resource Recovery Center, and this Texter picks up on this,
so I'll read the text resource recovery center in italics

(33:33):
or quote marks rather yet another example of the bullshit
woke industry that's driving this country to disaster. Did you
know that lawnmowers are now called a state maintenance or
lawn mowers are now called state maintenance executives. Okay, put
that aside. Resource recovery and resource recovery centers is not woke.
Resource recovery is really really important unless we intend to

(33:57):
spend all of our time trucking off perfectly good materials
to dump in somebody's valley and bury it there for
the next couple of thousand years. So the fact that
you know, when I go to the resource recovery center
and I put my timber in a pile because that
can be recovered. I put my metal in a pile
and that can be reused. And I take my plastic

(34:17):
and put that in the pile because that can be recycled,
whether it's pipes or soft plastics or numbers.

Speaker 8 (34:23):
What is it?

Speaker 3 (34:24):
One, two and five. If I take my green wastin
and that gets made into compost, or if I take
my hard fill and that gets recycled into building materials
or hard fill again, all of which gets diverted from landfill.
So I know that the Resource Recovery Center that I'm
involved with because I sit as a trustee or a

(34:45):
board member to administer that center, we're sending with seventy
eight percent diversion right from the material that comes in.
That's not woke. It's just being good custodians of the planet,
which I think we all should be. And it frustrates
the hell out of me to be fair when you
look at building sites and you see the amount that

(35:05):
is just going to waste and it doesn't need to
so at eight woke in my view, to be a
good steward of the environment, and also not to be
wasteful of a material it's easily recyclable and reusable. There
you go, right, I had my rant. Time for you
to have the go oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. It is six forty seven.

(35:27):
Remember too, that in the next hour SOT around seven thirty,
j from Razine will be joining us, so he is
our painting expert. If you've got any specific painting questions,
feel free to text them through and I'll rattle through
those with Jay at around seven thirty this morning right
now though, time for your calls before the news. Oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Feel free to call me

(35:49):
right now, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Helping you get those DIY projects done right The resident
builder with Peter Wolfcat's call, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty,
youth talksb.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
Your news talks. He'd be righty. Oh, we're talking all
things building construction.

Speaker 11 (36:05):
Dave. Very good morning, Mitey take them my call, pleasure.

Speaker 12 (36:11):
I'm in an old cottage down in Tokoa and I've
got to replace some of the weather boards in my house. Yep,
it's seventy something years old. I can't buy the weather
boards anymore, so I had to try, and I'm going
to have to make my own in a another story,
So I want to refit some of the weather boards
I've taken off.

Speaker 11 (36:32):
Yes, And I remember.

Speaker 12 (36:34):
Listening to your program a month or so ago and
we were talking about it and somebody mentioned something about screws.

Speaker 11 (36:41):
Now they use some sort of screws.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yeah, yeah, interesting, yes, yes, yep, so can you tell Yeah,
I was rounded. Actually some friends of ours are doing
they're doing an extension in fact, as it happens after
today's show. I've got to nip home, grab the trailer,
shoot up to a garage and pick up four hundred
linear meters of Carrie flooring that's going to go down

(37:05):
in their house tomorrow. Actually, so that's my job this afternoon.
But when I was I had a wand around the
site the other day and we were chatting and he said, oh,
my builder is now fixing the weatherboards with a screw.
So it's about a seventy five milli long stainless steel
screw and it's got you know, regular thread to drive

(37:26):
into the timber, but then the for about fifteen millimeters
down from the head, it actually has a counter thread.
So what happens is when as the screw drives through
the timber through the weatherboard, it then because you've got
the two opposing threads right, they actually draw everything together,

(37:47):
so you're not necessarily reliant. And the head is probably
maybe half a millimeter or so bigger than a jolt
head screw, right, So it's a little Talk's head screw,
so completely round, smooth on the outside with the driver
bit the Talks driver that fits into the inside of it.

(38:10):
And so I think that when it goes in, it
won't actually look that much different to a counter sun
called count a punched jolt head nail, as you would
expect to see. So no, it's just essentially a shank.
It's just a straight head, right, so from the surface
it just comes straight it does it to be fair,

(38:32):
if you held it up next to a seventy five
mil jolt head nail, it wouldn't actually look that different.

Speaker 11 (38:38):
Yeah, do you know what they're called and where to
get them from?

Speaker 3 (38:41):
Well, I know that his builder has probably picked them
up from Devonport Timber. But I would say that you'll
find them almost anywhere. I'll have a quick look online
and see and the this is difficult me too. So
I was there the other night having a look at
something and I'm wandering around. There's one lying on the ground.
So I picked it up and put in a pocket,
and I've got it sitting on my desk at home.

Speaker 11 (39:03):
And I'm going to need to take these weather boards on. Yeah,
I appealing, And.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
Look, I actually think I can see the purpose. I
can see the usefulness of it and the fact that
it's a little bit like with roofing screws now so
roofing screw for corrugated or long run will have a
counter thread at the top which pulls the product up
against the neoprene washer and this will work the same way.

(39:32):
So we've got used to screwing down decking, and I
guess the next extension is to fix cladding with it.
And the project that I've got coming up, which is
to replace all of the tongue and groove decking on
a Verandah, I'm just weighing up whether or not I
will do the same thing use these because the holding
power potentially is greater.

Speaker 11 (39:53):
I'm just relying on the head.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
Yeah, that's right. Look if you wander and you'll find them.
And I'll try and find a name or something like that,
or maybe signon or text me what I did.

Speaker 12 (40:04):
Ask it a large retailer a few days ago and
I've never heard of it.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
Yeah, there'll be a blanklet. What you have to do,
This is my secret tip to going to these large
stores is you look around for the oldest person on
the team. Right, they'll know everything.

Speaker 12 (40:21):
Second question, if I may, should I be putting a
ceilant in the where they lap?

Speaker 8 (40:28):
Ah?

Speaker 3 (40:29):
What profile weather boarder is it? Roughly? Is it just
like a square dress board.

Speaker 11 (40:35):
No, it's got a miter overlap on it.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
Oh okay, yes, I would either subadhesive or if you
use something like fix all, then that acts as an
adhesive and a ceilant. So if I have a moist
mighty join, I would prime, prime, and seal the edges.
Let that dry thoroughly, and then I would put a

(40:59):
beat of ceilant push them together. Not too tightly, because
boards will always move. I'd rather just have them neatly
butting against each other. A bead of seilant in there,
strike that off and that'll be a nice joint. Good
luck for that mate. All the mess you, Dave, take care.
And I guess the other thing I was going to
say is, you know, if he's really stuck, Typically some

(41:20):
guys will be able to machine exact copies of your weatherboards.
They can set up the full sider spindle molder and
do that. Back after the.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
News twice, God was but maybe call Pete first for
your wolfgab the resident builder News Talk said be.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
Just prior to the news, we were chatting with Dave
about the weatherboard repair job that he's got going on,
and I had happened to mention the fact that I've
been around to a mate's place who's doing a reasonable
size extension alterations to their house, and the builders they're
fixing a rusticated weatherboard, so I fairly traditional profile. We're
using screws instead of nail, so conventionally with you know,

(41:59):
seventy five mil jolt head galvanized bang those in job done.
And then I mentioned that they were using a screw
and we were talking about that, and the screw, funnily enough,
is called a jolt screw. So just like you have
a jolt head nail, you now have jolt screws. And
I'm just tossing up whether I'm going to use those

(42:19):
to fix down the tongue and groove decking, which is
going to be painted, so I've got to fill all
the holes once it's down. And I did some quick
numbers because I'm trying to figure out how much it's
all going to cost. I've got forty eight boards and
i got five rows of joists. I think from memory
it's two hundred and forty times two to two screws
per each, four hundred and eighty screws to fix down,

(42:43):
and I'm looking on the website. I found one manufacturer,
one supplier, so pack of five hundred and seventy dollars
ninety eight cents. It's not bad, probably worth doing. Actually,
I'll let you know how I get on. Although I
think i'll these ones are gal by the look of it.
I might go for stainless just because I can. Oh

(43:03):
eight hundred eighty ten eighty and a couple of interesting
texts around the resource recovery and my comments and why
we rant on that For the person that said, oh,
resource recovery, it's all just woke this text quickly morning
Pete yep couldn't agree more about resource recovery. Unfortunately, some
of the knuckle draggers whose words not mine. Unfortunately, some

(43:27):
of the knuckle draggers literally don't have the brain needed
to process the facts. Easier to just disagree with grand
agree with Grandad and moan about any change what's always done,
to wake up and listen to your conversation about being
a good citizen, and then to translate that to woke
that I don't actually understand what woke is, but the
real angry guy at the pub shouts at a lot,
so they reckon it must mean something bad infuriates them

(43:49):
to the point that they insult the host when they
know you're winning.

Speaker 10 (43:51):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
Oh, that's a fabulous text. Thank you very very much
for that. I'm happy to be, you know, to have
a discussion around this, but I do, and I you know,
it's an area that I've been interested in for a while.
I just think we're terribly waste and I'm talking about
you know, builders and construction. I think just shockingly wasteful. Right.

(44:12):
And I was sitting in the traffic a couple of
months ago, and you know, because I do this work,
I am involved with the Resources Recovery Center in Devonport.
That I'm sitting there, and there was there was another
trade next to me in the traffic with a cage
trailer full to the brim of material from building site.
And I kind of I figured out that where he

(44:34):
was going was essentially a transfer station. It's nothing necessarily
wrong with that. But I looked at all that material
in the trailer and I thought, Ah, there's some timber,
there's some cardboard, there's some old plaster board, all of
which could be diverted from landfill. Why the hell aren't
you doing it. I was, apart from sitting in the
traffic which makes everybody angry. That doubly made me angry.

(44:56):
I waite hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call before I have another rant. And remember, at
around seven thirty this morning, we'll grab Jay from Razine.
And I asked a all my questions when he called
me on Friday, So it's your turn to ask painting
questions of Jay from Razime. We'll do that at around
seven thirty. Just send them through on the text nine

(45:16):
to nine two Peter, good morning and welcome.

Speaker 13 (45:21):
Thank you, Pet and friends.

Speaker 14 (45:22):
You I missed your rand unfortunately.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
But it was pretty mild. To be fair, that text, though,
was a perla that was fantastic, Right, how can we help?
What's up? What's up?

Speaker 14 (45:35):
I was gonna say here, old house with faded powder
coated joinery and urban mess has said that there's some
methods that you used to use, some sort of cutting
compound or the light to actually restore it. Have you
had an experience in that?

Speaker 3 (45:54):
My experience has pretty much been that I'd hand it
over to the professionals. Right, And so a little while
ago I went and had a chat with In fact,
he's going to join next week. Briefly, Daniel from Nanoclear.
So nanoclears around the country and I've seen what they do.
So if you imagine you're staring at your old aluminium

(46:15):
joinery at the moment, take the beads out, take the
glass out. In some cases, prep the area properly, apply
a proper coating, so recolor the joinery to what you want,
apply a clear coat over the top of that that
will protect it, replace the rubbers if need be, and

(46:35):
then reinstall the glazing. So you know by comparison, and
I know I'll get text in a moment saying hey,
you know you can use a rubbing compound. You can
use that, this, that and the other thing. Yeah, you
probably can, and you'll get a slightly better appearance than
what you've got now. But I think in terms of
actually getting a really professional job, I would I would

(46:57):
get a professional applicator in and the ones that I
know a little bit about is Nanoclear, so that you know,
look at it. It's up to you, but do you
look at it as a cost or as an investment,
And if you're prepared to invest the money, then I
think getting a professional to do it probably serves you
quite well.

Speaker 14 (47:19):
Thanks very much for that.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
That would be my approach anyway. And you know how
I don't know what color your joinery is, but you know,
back in the seventies, eighties, nineties and that people had
a habit of going, you know, funky colors and that
sort of thing. You can get rid of all of that,
and you know, if you add that to some double glazing,
then suddenly you've got much better joinery. Excellent, All the

(47:43):
very best to you. Take care see. But getting quite
a few texts on the whole resource recovery, waste minimization,
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. This is an interesting one.
Would be great if some of the leftover building materials
could be purchased by others for small projects like sheds
or sleepouts. Nikki, that's exactly what resource recovery centers do,

(48:08):
I think in Auckland anyway. And these are around the country, right,
so in some cases there's still like in Auckland, for example,
there is the Community Recycling Network or Community Recycling Centers CRCs,
which are independent but still effectively owned by council. I

(48:29):
think I'm getting this right, but run locally and locally administered,
so you can go to any number of them around
the Auckland area, and I'm sure this is across the country.
And rather than all of the material being tipped into
a hole or tipped into the back of a skip
and taken off to transfer station or directly to landfill,

(48:49):
the teams will go through pull out useful pieces of
timber and then they'll put those aside again. You know
my experiences. You can go in and buy timber for
a dollar a meter, right, and there'll be little bits
of or there'll be decent pieces actually of some rough
sor and six two tantalized that you can use for
a garden bed or a planter box or a bit
of garden edging or something like that. Doors, windows, hardware.

(49:13):
You know, all of this material is taken out of
the waste stream, so it's processed at the center, taken out,
set aside, and you can buy old palings, old doors,
old bits of framing, timber, architraves. All of these sorts
of things will be taken out once it's been delivered
to the site by you as the consumer, taken out
and made available for people. So yeah, it is actually happening.

(49:36):
You just got to have a look around and try
and find those places, but they are out there. Nikki,
thank you very much for your text. Someone else, just
on the same thing, what do you do with disposing
of old plasterboard. You're calling it jib, which is fair enough,
but plasterboard is kind of the generic term. There's a
couple of processes. There's a company that there's two processes. Basically,

(49:58):
one is essentially just collect it, tip it into the
ground and cover it and leave it for about a
year or so and then uncover it. In that time,
all of the paper has dissolved and what you're left
with is the gypsum, which can then be recycled as
part of agriculture, is part of fertilizer. There's a slightly

(50:18):
more scientific process now where some of the large recycling
firms are able to I'm pretty sure that Green Gorilla
and Auckland do this. They've got essentially a large centrifuge.
So the waste plaster board is put into there, it's spun,
it spins off the paper, it leaves you with the gybsum.
The gybsum can go for processing for fertilizers and in agriculture.

(50:42):
It's as simple as that. You know, it's completely recoverable,
so there's to be fair. I don't actually believe in
zero waste as a concept. You know, when I'm sweeping
up the stuff that's on the floor of my workshop,
I'm thinking, for all the goodwill in the world. I
don't know who wants that or could use that for anything.

(51:04):
But when I went the other day with some timber,
some plaster board, some off cut metal, a little bit
of green waste, you know, some offcuts from pipework and
that sort of thing. Everything I've just listed there doesn't
have to go to landfill. You just need to take
it somewhere where they're going to look after it. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

(51:25):
Quite a few texts too on the venting, so we'll
come to that in the moment, but right now your
opportunity to have your say, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call back in a.

Speaker 6 (51:38):
Moment doing other house extorting.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
The garden asked Pete for a hand the resident builder
with Peter Wolfcap call eighty eight us dogs V.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
I got to say, y, I just despair, right, So
I get this text Pete. One reason people just dump
everything is because the people at work at the recycling
centers are usually not pleasant to deal with. They usually
just grunt and point at the christ Church sites. I
really do to spare it that text. So you know

(52:10):
the person whose job it is to fossic through your rubbish,
you're complaining that maybe they're not the most pleasant person
to deal with when you do the bloody job. Then oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
It's twenty minutes after seven. If you've got a question
about a building nature, of any building nature, you can
call us. Now remember too, about ten minutes away from
j from Razim joining us. Any specific painting questions are

(52:32):
the texts that came in. I'm wanting to build a
luvered purglar goola outside on my deck against my boundary fence,
as I understand it my local council rules. As I
understand my local council rules, I'll need a resource consent
building two different things so close to the boundary, considering

(52:53):
it's easily dismantled structure. Should I just make sure my
neighbors are harry happy and not tell the council. Of course,
you're entitled to do that well, you're not entitled, but
you could try and do that. So typically the things
that would trigger possibly a resource consent, but most definitely
a building consent is the proximity to the boundary and
the fact that what you're building has got a roof

(53:14):
on it, even if it's luvid and which might mean
that you could close it. And it's more about the
proximity to the boundary, because chances are if it's on
a deck against the boundary, the deck's already a couple
of one hundred mil off the ground. Add a two
point two to two point four structure to that, you'd
be getting pretty close to heightened relation to boundary and

(53:36):
the proximity to the boundary. So typically you're allowed to
build structures that if they fell over, wouldn't fall onto
the neighbors. Kind Of my really simple interpretation of the
legislation around planning rules that if it falls over, it's
ownly going to land on your property. If it's right
on the boundary and it's tall, that falls over, it
could land on your neighbors. So yes, I think that

(53:57):
what you are proposing would probably need a building consent.
It may not need a resource consent unless you're in
a heritage zone or something like that, or your exceeding
site coverage. But generally I think it'll certainly require a
building consent. Another text that came through is there a
requirement to have a turning area down a drive to

(54:22):
a back section.

Speaker 11 (54:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
Typically all of the consents that I've seen for sort
of subdivisions. Let's say where there's been one house and
there's now three, or sections are being combined and there's
a right of way which gives access to a rear property.
If there's parking, there will need to be the provision
for the vehicle to get into the garage and then
be able to reverse out and drive out onto the

(54:49):
road nose first. So that's typically the requirement. Some of
the turning angles are not particularly wide and in some
cases not interesting. There was on fair Go a couple
of years ago where someone bought a property down a
right of way had a garage turning area, but they
found that their car physically wouldn't be able to fit

(55:10):
in or turn around. So planners work on a sort
of I think it's like a ninety percent of vehicles
are likely to fit in here type rule. But yeah, generally,
if you've got a right of way that gives access
to a rear property, there needs to be provision for
the car to reverse out of the garage or parking

(55:31):
area and drive out forwards, not having to reverse down
a long right of way. In some cases you can
achieve that by having a turntable, but they are a
little bit uncommon in most subdivisions to be fair. But
thanks very much for the question, Carol, great question from you.
How are you this morning?

Speaker 8 (55:49):
Well, I'm always happy on a Sunday. I like your
program in the car. I think program. Well, I didn't
want to phone in, but it may help somebody. How
would you suggest a p before you pay the painter
and decorator. It's the final payment and it's completed the painting.

(56:13):
You know job that you have, How would you know.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
That it's a good job. It's a great question.

Speaker 15 (56:21):
I know the answer, but understand Okay.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
I guess if you feel that you don't have the experience,
then I guess there's two avenues. One is if the
person happens to be a member of, for example, the
Master Painters Association, you could ask the Master Painters to
send out a representative to assess effectively their members work.

(56:47):
That would be one way of doing it. If the
painter has used a particular brand of paint, you could
then ask a representative from that company to come and
do it and to be fair. And I'm happy to
ask Jay this. I know when we've spoken, he will
often be asked to go and have a look at
at a paint finish. You know, the painter has done

(57:09):
a job, they've used Razine paints, maybe the client's not
happy with it, and so they'll ring Razine and one
of their reps. And it's the same with Bryce. He
will often end up saying, look, I had to go
and look at a job where you know, maybe someone's
maybe someone's a client like yourself, is not happy. And
the painter says, well, it's the paint's problem. And you know,

(57:31):
maybe the rep from the company goes out looks it
and goes, actually, it's all about the application. It's a
poor application, or there's bad preparation, or they haven't done
two coats, or they haven't used the right product and
that's why it's not good. So yeah, those, broadly speaking,
those would be the two ways of doing it.

Speaker 8 (57:49):
Well, I'll tell you a simple way and I'm quite
concerned about the tradesmen who don't know have the job completed.
Recommended by Razine who The painter was my son who
did a eight thousand hour apprenticeship in the New Zealand
Army as a painter and decorator. All he did was

(58:10):
he went in. He just put the palm of his
hand on the wall and he ran the palm of
his hand down. He said, m'am, this painter and decorator
has not done good preparation because it was all prety underneath.
So he's painted because I'm my owner. He's painted here

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for me.

Speaker 11 (58:34):
Oh you want to run.

Speaker 8 (58:36):
Your hand down the paintmentish? Now it's a smooth that's
the way to do it.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
Can I Can I be a bit cheeky and ask
if your son's an eight thousand hour qualified painter and decorator,
how come he didn't do it in the first place.

Speaker 8 (58:50):
Well, there were reasons.

Speaker 11 (58:52):
He was in Auckland.

Speaker 8 (58:54):
I really don't like mixing business.

Speaker 15 (58:57):
I'm not joking with family.

Speaker 8 (59:00):
It's quicker for me as to get the painter and
decorator and he goes home for the day. But I
certainly do anything for me. They stay for a weekend
across me a fortune to people.

Speaker 11 (59:15):
The old lady.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
No, no, I think it's delightful to be fair. But yeah,
look in terms of you know, to answer your question,
I think that if you if you're you're concerned about
the quality of the work done, didn't know, then then
if someone is a master painter or they're part of
that group, you could get one of you or get

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a rep from the company. That's a great question.

Speaker 8 (59:42):
That's the point before you pay the final payment. I'm
saying anyone out there on their own light men to
get someone and just to give you a final And look, you.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
Know, I've deliberately stayed away from saying, you know, get
another painter to check the work, because it's hard for people.
I think it's hard for people to be impartial about
other people's work. Right, So potential, please, how simple it was?

Speaker 8 (01:00:13):
He just Rainy's that's right, said the preparations good?

Speaker 15 (01:00:19):
It was greasy that that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Yeah, no, good point. Appreciate the call, Carol. You have
a great day to take care of them, Zia. Actually
great texts coming through two round extraction ventilation. We'll have
a look at that, right, we might well take a
short break we've got Jay waiting. We're going to rattle
through your texts. Still time for a couple more texts
on nine two nine two, so zbzb from your mobile phone.

(01:00:43):
Any of you painting specific painting questions, Jay will join
us in just a.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
Moment, whether you're painting with ceiling, fixing with fens, or
wondering how to fix that hole in the wall.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
Give Peter wolf Gabber call on.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Eighty the resident builder on news Dogs B.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
Indeed you were with news Talk, said beat as seven
thirty two and this is my great pleasure as always
to welcome to the program, Jay from Razine. How you doing, Jay, I'm.

Speaker 16 (01:01:07):
All good, mat How are you?

Speaker 8 (01:01:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
Not too chevy? Not too chevy? And can we just
pick up on that last caller actually who said, Look,
how do I know if I've got a good paint job?
So you know, let's say you're a client and you
engage a painter and they come and do a job,
and you're about to sign you know, the check for
the last payment, and you're kind of wondering, is it

(01:01:29):
any good like? Have they done a good job? What
would what would your advice be?

Speaker 16 (01:01:34):
Look at it? Usually if if the if the paint
looking a bit see through, or you're concerned about the coverage,
it usually needs a bit more paint. Yes, So if
things are looking a little bit light in areas, then
potentially it might just need another another coat on there.

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And there are things that go with that critical like
in cause an issue with things looking like it needs
more paint, But it's really the design of the bill,
or the time of the day with the light coming
through windows or shining down stairwells.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
Yes.

Speaker 16 (01:02:14):
Or if it's a textured surface, it can look like
there's not enough paint on there, when in fact there's plenty.
It's just a texture. But I said, generally, if it
looks a little bit thin and you're a bit concerned,
speak about in and I'll generally put another coat on.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
Right, Okay, awesome, that's great. So we've got a bunch
of texts to rip through, so in no particular order.
That's an interesting one. The text is very brief. My
deck doesn't get a lot of sun. Do I need
to stay.

Speaker 16 (01:02:50):
Well, I'd imagine it probably needs to clean. If it's
not getting much sun. There's like this a bit of
moisture and potential mold and might be a little bit slippy. Generally,
applying a stain will help with sort of mold in
fung the end stuff sort of an algae building up
on the surface.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
Yep.

Speaker 16 (01:03:10):
And it's also kind of helps protect the actual timber
itself and help preserve it. So I would say yes,
But again, lots of people do like that sort of
natural silver look at the timber.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
Until they get all the mold growth and then they
go oh okay, which leads me nicely into my next question.
An existing Quela decking twenty years so that it's known right, well,
it's still sound, but it is standing to crack, do
you recommend painting for longevity? And if yes, what paint system?
This is from Chris? Can I add maybe we should well,

(01:03:45):
I mean, yes, you could paint it, but almost nobody
would it. Typically with hard.

Speaker 16 (01:03:50):
Words you would stay yeah, I would say stain it right. Obviously,
timber expands and contracts for a year anyway, and if
you've got splits and cracks, they expand and contract at
different rates. So if you paint it, chances are that
clack's going to become pretty visible fairly quickly, especially with
if you look at the summer we've just had in

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the rain we've sort of got yesterday. The timber will
be moving all over the place at the moment, whereas stain,
you're not going to see that sort of flakiness and
break down that you get a paint around those areas.
So if you stay in it, I think it will
look better.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:04:29):
Again, it's kind of personal preference. Some people prefer the
look of paint, I'm very much or timber stain. It
it looks really good.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Yeah. Well, and I think maintenance wise, long term, certainly
stain is possibly more maintainable as in a thorough clean
and a reapplication of the same system is possibly simpler
than standing prepping, you know, top coding with a paint finish.

Speaker 16 (01:04:55):
Yeah, yeah, and obviously stained, so you have to restain
every couple of years, every two to three summers. But
I mean you need to really clean it every year
so you can kind of see in judge for how
it's looking. And just realistically, if you keep up with
just supply another coat staying every couple of years, it
looks good and the timber last longer.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
Yeah, absolutely right. Susie sent through a text good morning,
which is nice. Is there any way to paint kitchen
cupboards that have laminate on them, just trying to refresh
a kitchen from Susie.

Speaker 16 (01:05:28):
Yeah, we've got a few different systems. I think Ze
master Stroke has a couple of videos from a couple
of X Block contestants doing their kitchen and another DJ
from a different radio stations as well.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
Think is the preparation in the first coat the key
in terms of literally the keys and keying into that surface.

Speaker 16 (01:05:56):
Yeah, it's the first goat. Is the sort of a
degent coat that's going to really bind the whole system together.
And then top coat options. There's a couple of different ones. Realistically,
the best system you're looking at a two pot system
just for longevity obviously, like there's a you could use

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Lusticra and a Namakrell, but with cleaning and constant use,
it's going to lead it needs a lot more maintenance. Sure,
so there's sort of two pot industrial coatings a little
bit better for durability, but it obviously takes a bit
more preparation and just a little bit more knowledge around
mixing the product and applying it, and you need a

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bit more smell.

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
Right in application. If you did go down the two
pot and you've got a large flat surfa. It's like
a drawer front or a door. Would you roll or brush?

Speaker 13 (01:06:49):
Uh?

Speaker 16 (01:06:50):
Generally brush? Yeah, sorry, generally you brush sort of the
edges and stuff, but most people end up rolling it. Yeah,
you just got to be careful. You apply the product
and then lay it off in one direction, so it
just helps smooth it all out. And look, look even
in you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
Gotcha brilliant, right Marty texts Hey, guys, question for j please.
I have a commercial diamond deck roof, so a long
run metal profile with extensive surface rust. Ideally I'd like
to get a few more years out of it. Would
there be a product to slow or stop the rusting
process from Mardi?

Speaker 16 (01:07:28):
Realistically, with rust, you've got to kind of we've got
three m RUSS removal pads to go on, sort of
mechanical tools to stand it and remove it. Yeah, you
really want to remove it. If you just try and
put something over it, it's still there and it's going
to not go anywhere, just get worse. I suppose, yes,

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So ideally you want to be removing all the rust
before you apply anything. It depends on a lot of
the time. With the roofs, it's just a bit of
surface rust that you can tend to remove with like
a three M scarm pad or a RUSS removal pad.
We've got a couple of different products you could spot

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prime those areas with. You've got armor X ruff seeler,
We've got GP metal primers another did one go over it?
The best system that we tend to recommend for roofs
in that sort of condition is, again it's back to
industrial product, but animastic. It's two port that just ends

(01:08:35):
up extending the life of the roof.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
Okay, that's cool in that way, but again, take.

Speaker 16 (01:08:41):
Take pictures into a color shop, share the staff, ask
for some advice.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
I send you a picture of my garage roof which
looks more red than steel. Maybe I'll flick through talking
about painting roofs. But this is slightly different. So nineteen
ninety six are almost thirty year old color steel or
a coated roof, not in bad condition, but there is
some oxidation. What's the prep? And I know there's a

(01:09:07):
specific primer for color steel or coated products.

Speaker 16 (01:09:13):
So best prep is it reallys a real good clean
to remove that oxilosation in any surface contaminants. So we've
got razine paint prep in the house.

Speaker 11 (01:09:23):
Wash that.

Speaker 16 (01:09:24):
You know, people just get up there with the water blaster,
but you really need to agitate the clean on the
surface to remove that oxidization right. Then washed down and
then yes, the primer is resin pre coated steel primer,
which is it's sort of white in color, so more
and more people are starting to go lighter colors, so

(01:09:45):
it's just good to help with coverage with that, and
then top coat summit roof.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
Oh yeah, okay, perfect, but it's.

Speaker 16 (01:09:55):
Lots of roof questions at the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
Yeah, yeah, and I guess too. You know, people are
looking at a roof that's getting to the end of
its life, thinking if I can eke it out a
few more years. It's not a bit.

Speaker 16 (01:10:07):
Yeah my roofs for nineteen ninety two. Yep, it's looking
like I get it cleaned yearly. But I'm starting to
think about realistically it should start looking at painting it
just so much longer.

Speaker 11 (01:10:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
Yeah, and I guess this is that classic thing around
paint surfaces is often we wait until they've degraded and
then we maintain them. Whereas I think what you're saying
is that you know, you know where this is heading, right,
we're on a particular path. Why not get ahead of
that and before the roof or the painted surface or
your windows and that are really in poor condition. Do

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the maintenance a little bit earlier and that will stop
some of that long term damage. Is kind of how
I would say that.

Speaker 16 (01:10:48):
Like regular cleaning and maintenance just makes everything last longer.

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely right.

Speaker 11 (01:10:55):
Oat.

Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
Now, fifty year old cedar vertical above a garage door
too soft to scrape off the old paint, so they
used a heat gun. They've got some oil based primer
peel off in places. Question one, how do I get
the failed primer off? In two? What new primer to use?

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Fifty year old seat?

Speaker 16 (01:11:22):
You might have a couple of issues if you're not careful.
I suppose we've got a paint stripper called Sea to Sky,
which is a gel based, water based paint stripper.

Speaker 11 (01:11:34):
Yep.

Speaker 16 (01:11:34):
It's easier to control, especially on sort of vertical surfaces
because it's gel. It kind of sits there a bit
more rather than a lot of paint strippers a lot
more liquid and just run down. Yeah, anything you're going
to kind of do is with it being fifty year
old and really, you've got pretty high potential of you're

(01:11:55):
going to have to be careful so you don't really
gouge and damage to see that. Sure once you get
it off, I mean if it's failing as well, it
might start coming off quite easily. H Obviously, sandings hard
because it just kind of clogs up the paper pretty quickly.
So this kind of seed the sky to strip it,

(01:12:18):
and then you would be using razine wood primer, an
oil based primer.

Speaker 3 (01:12:23):
Okay, I'm just sinking at the time. I think we
can race through these two. Thanks for that. What product
do we use to paint and seal the inside of
a concrete water tank? I mean, would you have to
go there or would you use them? Yeah? If you
were going to paint it, what would you do?

Speaker 11 (01:12:41):
Well?

Speaker 16 (01:12:42):
Sort of none of our decorative paints. I suppose the
water going to be held inside.

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
This, I to speak, So I wonder if it's for drinking,
use you you'd want to go for a bladder or
something like that.

Speaker 16 (01:12:55):
I think, yeah, I would the same with paint in
the outside. You've got share seal and lumbersider to sort
of go on the outside, but generally there's so much
moisture involved with it, the paint ends up breaking down,
it ends up looking quite a mess. That's why most
of them aren't painted, and you end up putting up
screens or sort of foliage or something on the outside

(01:13:17):
to cover it, or just leave it. I mean, you
can paint it, but it will need maintenance, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:25):
Last one this morning morning, got an old wooden garage
folding door. So I presume probably like a cedar, I
would say, if it's an older one, the old paint's
flaking off, should I scrape it down? Should I use
an oil based undercoat and top coat, or would a
good stain be sufficient to protect the wood.

Speaker 11 (01:13:44):
Stain?

Speaker 16 (01:13:45):
All of the razine stains are penetrating, so you need
to remove anything that's film forming on the surface. A
lot of the time with those garage doors, it could
be that was stained previously and then somebody's just chucked
a coat of paint on and it's not compatible and
that's why it's flaking and coming off. Okay, so again
you'd be back to kind of a paint stripper to

(01:14:07):
remove what's on there, or depending on how the timber is,
you could stand it. And then if everything's been removed,
if you're going to stain it, you could stain it
with one of the Woodsman states, or if you're going
to paint it, you're back to Razine wood primer and
then probably lust the crewl over the top.

Speaker 3 (01:14:29):
I'm gonna hold you for one more question because it's
such a doozy morning. Can you please explain why the
paint on our house, the timber house is cracking After
a few months of application. We sanded, primed, and painted.
The splitting. Crazing is an areas where the house gets
full sun. Gee, what do you think?

Speaker 16 (01:14:48):
I suppose it's again. If you've got pictures, you could
send them through or the advice line on the Razine website,
or go in to your local shop. A lot of
the time like that, it's back to after this summer.
There's a lot of timber movement. If there's splits and
cracks along the grain of the timber, it's likely to
be the timber itself that's moving right, and that's what's

(01:15:10):
causing the paint to crack. If it's kind of crazy cracking,
it could be the top coat's gone over the oil
based primer too soon, and that's kind of effect of
the paint really, it's a couple of things. It might be,
especially if it's only on that side with the sun. Yes,

(01:15:31):
it could be the it was too hot at the
time of painting and that's affected the paint as it's
gone on. But if you take some pictures and go
into the color shop and they might be able to
give you a bit more advice.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
Brilliant, brilliant. Thank you Jay as always, you know you
get a busy day, have a great day. Thank you
and news talks. He'd be that's j from Razine Color Shops,
and I think he's absolutely spot on there. If you
do have a particular question like that previous texture around,
you know, failure of the paint system within seemingly a

(01:16:05):
couple of months, take some photographs, you know on our
phones these days, wander on and seek a bit of
professional advice from the team at the Razine Color Shops. Right,
oh to seven forty seven. We're taking your calls. Eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Someone's
just quickly text through. Had the same problem. It was
the wrong primer. Interesting now that may or may not

(01:16:27):
be the case, but yeah, interesting, oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty the number to call. We're taking your calls
all things building construction, and we did, as response to
a couple of texts, talk a little bit about waste minimization.
This is a bit of a it's going to say
it's a buzzword. It shouldn't be. It's not a buzzword.

(01:16:47):
This is I think this is really important, right, and
I think going forward, one of the things that we're
likely to see I hope actually on building consents and
so on going forward is questions from clients or architects,
or specifiers or project managers to contractors, how are you
managing your waste right? Like do you have a process

(01:17:11):
in place? Do you have a system where you go,
you know, I collect up the cardboard boxes from all
the light fittings and I make sure that that gets recycled.
Or if you're a plumber, do you keep your PVC
offcuts which are recyclable and send them somewhere for recycling
or deliver them to a center that does recycling. You know,
if you're doing demolition, do you try and separate out

(01:17:34):
some of the materials and those items that can be
recycled or repurposed? Do you send those away for that
rather than just sending everything to landfall, which I think
is appalling to be blunt. Oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. It's eleven minutes away
from eight o'clock. Call us now, oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty. Squeaky door or squeaky floor?

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
Get the right advice from Peter Wolfcare, the resident builder
on Newstalk SB.

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
Just another quick text on the painting, because I've just
done this myself another job. Get a pigmented, sealed and
then sanded new jib in a bathroom? Can I put
two or three coats of mold protected top coat, like
a low sheene on the ceilings and the walls, all
one color from Chris. Have a look at what I
use just last year, razine velvet, which is a water

(01:18:26):
born enamel with It's a relatively flat product in terms
of sheen, but it's got the durability. I think that
sometimes using a really flat product on the walls, particularly
in an area that gets a bit of you know,
steam and so on in a bathroom, sheene typically gives

(01:18:48):
you protection, right, It's more durable. So what I used
was the velvet room velvet. It's called and it worked
really really well on the ceiling, so maybe that's a
better option than trying to do too much flat around
the room. Grant Greetings, A.

Speaker 6 (01:19:06):
Face the team, right Corn. Sure, I've got a seepage problem,
and it's coming from I've bought the house, so I
know you read part of it.

Speaker 11 (01:19:19):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (01:19:19):
But I just want to know that I'm a builder,
d Mayer. I just want to know that what I'm
doing is I'm on the right track. So I've got
old concrete wall wing wall at the end of the house,
and the garage is on top yep. And down down

(01:19:44):
the bottom con set the first floor is a bathroom
and then on the corridor is wardrobe.

Speaker 11 (01:19:54):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (01:19:55):
Now, the water that I found seeping through came through
the wardrobe because the bathroom is tiled floor or the
proof got it the meat sheets. So it's not going
to come out, That's what I'm feeling. It's not going that.
I know behind there will be bed but I only

(01:20:17):
can see it in the wardrobe. What I've done, I've
gone upstairs and I've uncovered the outside of the wall
and I've seen what I've done. Now tank and I'll
perfect drainage against it. Everything's done what I think has

(01:20:40):
done to the code properly.

Speaker 10 (01:20:44):
Just a bit of a hard life will leave the pain.

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
Sure. So the block wall around the perimeter is part
of it below ground, so it's acting as a retaining wall.

Speaker 6 (01:20:56):
Yes, now it's not exactly a block wall. I've done
it with old shut I've done it with the shutters.

Speaker 3 (01:21:03):
Okay, so cast wall.

Speaker 6 (01:21:05):
Yep, it's solid cock red wall and it's underground, right
side buried, and it's ten it's got one hundred mill
of drainage for storrowing up against it right around the wall.
But what what I've done it. Also on top of

(01:21:28):
that wall is my portal a floor from the kitchen.
It goes out three meters, it connects to the top
of that wall and then shoots out with another fourteen
going around the kitchen. So in my own right, because

(01:21:51):
you put the you put your your your BBC paper
or your black paper as you do, underneath the concrete
and bring it up.

Speaker 11 (01:22:02):
Stay on.

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
Just that we're going to run into the into the news.
And just a moment, I wonder whether instead of looking
for leaks that might be coming through the wall, I
wonder whether you should look at flashings and junctions above
it and see whether that's where water is coming from
as well. You know, if you've got if you think

(01:22:25):
the waterproofing's good, and you've got drainage coil of some
description and it's actually draining properly, then I wonder whether
it's a leak coming from somewhere else. So I'd spend
my time looking at flashings back after the.

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
Break, helping you get those DIY projects done right. The
resident builder with peta Wolfcat call, oh eight eighteen, you've
talked Zva.

Speaker 3 (01:22:49):
Well, a very good morning. Welcome back to the show.
My name's pig Wolf Campus is the resident builder. On Sunday,
we're going to change gears as we always did about
eight thirty this morning, a red Climb Past will be
joining us. We can talk all things gardening in the
wonderful world of bugs from eight thirty, but right now
we're talking building and actually just listening to the weather
forecast for Auckland. Anyway, pretty fine day, which is good

(01:23:11):
because I've got to race home, grab the trailer, shoot
up to a garage and pick up four hundred meters.
I think of Carrie Tongue grew flooring that I've been
storing for a mate who's getting guys into lay it
tomorrow for an extension, So right, I'm going to do that,
and then I might fossick around in my own workshop
and finish painting my one hundred and forty odd meters

(01:23:34):
of tongue and groove decking that I want to prime
before I start fixing that down. So alright, yoh, I
hope you haven't rest for Sunday. I don't think I
will be, but that's all right. Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty the number to call and Peter, good morning.

Speaker 15 (01:23:50):
Good morning, Peter, greetings, thanks for waving. You're you're welcome.
I loved down in Moscow to some land from Dunedin.
You've been in the house over thirty years and I
learned in the nineties that had to use oil based
primer on wood and then a couple of coats of
acrylic over top of it. But the most I could

(01:24:12):
get out of it was about eight to ten years
before it would start to deteriorate. And only what I've
got is on facial boards and Dutch gables. Everything else,
the block work, the facial boards, particularly on this on
the garage which was close to a neighbor's hawthorn hedge.

(01:24:33):
The timber would start to split a weave at lengthways
well the paint. The paint would appear to have cracks
in it, but I think it was a timber moving.
And about two years ago I had some I've grabbed
some leftover linear board that I had from an extension
down about eight years earlier. I had kept in another

(01:24:55):
garage out of the weather, and I took the flashing
off the Dutch gable and put this linear board up
instead of the two hundred milimeter timber. I do not
think the linear board might have been one eighty. But
at the medicals are flashing cover cover the gap at
the top, and it seems perfect. And I'm wondering what

(01:25:15):
your thoughts are on it because the rest of the
spature that holds the spouting where the horse on headge was,
there's been borer and it needs replace.

Speaker 3 (01:25:28):
I'm just thinking, typically, if we're installing facia, we've got
a safite, right, So do you have a safita at all.

Speaker 15 (01:25:35):
On the back of the garage. It's not right the frontiers.
It's a block rough car coated garage.

Speaker 3 (01:25:43):
Yeah, I'm with you. Now I'm just thinking. You know,
like in most applications, you'd have a facier board that's
outboard of the framing, and then you'll have a bit
of safita And typically facial board's got a groove in
it that allows you to drop the safita in and
the linear might not. And I guess the other thing
is linear is only up to four point eight meters,
so if you've got you know, five meter gable, you've

(01:26:04):
got to join, which you might not get if you
a long length. But look in terms of durability and
if it works for you, all power to you. O.

Speaker 15 (01:26:11):
I think it's a three car garage, so it's yeah
to be joined anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:26:16):
That just makes many.

Speaker 15 (01:26:20):
But it seems to be very durable when you're aboard.
Absolutely a life stand on it or is it?

Speaker 3 (01:26:29):
Well? I mean, look in terms of durability, it would
have a minimum warranty requirement of fifteen years, but I
think given how inherently stable fiber cement is, you could
expect it to last a lot longer than that, particularly
if you keep up with your coatings right. So I
think when you start reading through the fine print of
almost any exterior product, it often relates to coatings. And

(01:26:53):
interestingly enough, I'm working another project which is a little
bit related to weather tightness and durability. Right, and so
I've had some building surveyors survey the building to prepare
a report and they've also made recommendations. And it's interesting
reading through it. And you know, the report's quite extensive,

(01:27:15):
runs to thirty or forty pages, and it's interesting to
see how much focus they put on the quality of
the coatings and the maintenance of it. That almost regardless
of what exterior product you might use, if you don't
keep up the maintenance of it and particular coatings, it
just won't perform.

Speaker 15 (01:27:37):
Yes, I had a fifty square meter edition done on
the house of it. Next with this dreat linear came
from yeah now the builder. Sorry, go ahead, the builder.
I assisted on one of them, and you'll leave to
start off with them, be you well. They are quite

(01:27:58):
long spainsstel screws hold the linear board on. Is it
a benefit to do that because the extension has been perfect,
the paint hasn't deterror at all.

Speaker 6 (01:28:07):
I might do a bit to.

Speaker 15 (01:28:08):
Wash annually or great two years yep. As the benefit
in using the screws movement goes.

Speaker 3 (01:28:16):
I know typically with the linear actually, as best I
understand it's designed actually well, when the last time I
used it, which was a few years ago, one of
the benefits well, we could use it for a garage
wall that was close to the boundary, so it gets
a bit of fire rating as well. But in this
particularly when I installed it, we only fixed through the

(01:28:38):
top of the board right, so you didn't put any
fixing through the bottom at all, and that seemed to work.
If you do have to fix through the bottom of
the board, then yeah, jolt screws have become a real
thing over the last couple of years. I haven't had
a chance to do that yet, but I've got this
decking job to do. It's a replacement for some LSOP

(01:29:00):
treatment decking that's failed. So I've got to pull the
existing tongue and groove up and relay it. And I've
bought new tongue in groove decking that's h three point
two treated. I'm pre priming it and then I'm thinking
I'll use jolt screws. Have a look for them online
to fix it down with, because I think the binding,
you know, the actual because they've got a counter threads,

(01:29:21):
so they are actually drawing the two surfaces together. I
can see the advantage of that. Check it out online, Peter,
we've got to move on much. Appreciate it and good
luck with that. Jillian, A very good morning to you.

Speaker 13 (01:29:33):
Yes, good morning teach. Hey there regarding waste minimalization. Yes,
I've been watching a building getting demolished and it was
miss about fifty years ago. So I've got a couple
of questions. The roofing tiles. Are they reusable after fifty years?

Speaker 3 (01:29:55):
Often what will happen is they'll go to a demolition
yard and people will buy them for repairs, right, So
there's a value to that. The other thing is if
they don't end up going and being resold, so there's
a way of making some money out of them. They
can be taken to plants that will crush them and

(01:30:16):
turn them back into aggregate. It's really in some cases
it can't necessarily crazy. Thing right now is that you're
not allowed to use recycled material in new structural concrete
to the best of my ability knowledge, right, you can
use it for things like we've got them at the
center large concrete blocks that we use as barriers. Right,

(01:30:39):
So inter block for example, So they'll take old concrete,
crush it and reuse it in a they make new
concrete from it. But because it's nonstructural as such, you
can use it there or you can use it just
for hard felt, so again it doesn't need to go
to landfill. It can be repurposed.

Speaker 13 (01:30:58):
Unfortunately, everything's going to learn for all. I think the timbers,
the cost of deconstructing building, and obviously the.

Speaker 11 (01:31:07):
Labor cross it's quite high, yep, high and.

Speaker 13 (01:31:11):
Deterrent, and that might be a factor in the quote
maybe why it's getting demolished. That's so there has been
some recycling going on, and perhaps it's necessary because glass
probably can't be mixed with timber and concrete and gone
to land.

Speaker 3 (01:31:30):
Or I think ideally if we're doing you know, if
we've got an idea around reducing the amount of material
that goes to landfill at site, is when ideally you
should be separating it, right so rather than I mean,
there are commercial recyclers and recycling centers like the Resource

(01:31:50):
Recovery in Devenport and the other resource recovery centers right
across the country. You can bring a sorted waste in
and they will sort it for you. But I think
ideally we should be doing a lot more of that
on So so you know, I've been to a cheaper Yeah,
I've been to a couple of really well organized sites.

(01:32:11):
So for example, they'll ever been for timber, they'll ever
been for hardfill. They might have been that's you know,
cardboard and those sorts of things. I went to one
commercial site, Naylor Love were doing a large commercial building
at a university. They achieved ninety percent diversion from landfill
by sorting on site. A ninety diversion from landfill is

(01:32:34):
a staggering achievement.

Speaker 13 (01:32:36):
Context rules regarding that, do you know.

Speaker 3 (01:32:38):
There are no rules there should be. I agree with
no rules, and.

Speaker 13 (01:32:44):
That's what I was concerned about. It thought there obviously
are no council rules, and yet councils going through the
motions well that they are actually doing modern emotions. But
it's not much more in my opinions, because why it's
minimization policy. Surely the major removal of houses for city
for development, all these materials to go into landfill and

(01:33:08):
the main surely councils should take a lead role in it,
and perhaps some rules.

Speaker 3 (01:33:14):
Even if it's not counsel. I think we I mean
part of me hesitates to go we need more legislation,
right because we shouldn't.

Speaker 13 (01:33:24):
We shouldn't need it. We should be doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
I know ideally we should, but I think there's going
to be a bit of carrot and stick, right. So
I think that if you're a client and you're engaging
with a builder or a contractor to do renovations, one
of the questions I think you should be asking now
is what are you doing with the waste? Right? And

(01:33:45):
a lot of builders that I know are equally passionate
or engaged in this process, and they'll say, look, we'll
use this particular company because they recycle or they divert
or this is my process, this is what I do.
But I think as clients we should be asking that question.
As contractor costs, Yes, there is a cost, but you

(01:34:06):
know there's also a cost to us just sending all
of this material to landfill, right, whether that's an environmental cost,
cost of transport, et cetera, et cetera. And you know
we're looking at and there's just and this tremendous waste, right,
So this is one of the benefits, for example, of
off site manufacture where processes that are managed in a

(01:34:29):
factory are often more efficient and have less waste than
on site.

Speaker 13 (01:34:34):
Yes, yes, So what could council do as an incentive?
Even I don't expect you to have the answer, there's
to be some encouragement to people who property developers who
want to remove a house and have three builds on
the site. There might be some way that could some

(01:34:55):
of the cost.

Speaker 3 (01:34:57):
Possibly there'll be that. I think what we're the more
blunt lever is the waste levey, right, So that's a
charge per ton of material that goes over away bridge
into a transfer station on its way to a landfill
that's probably just going to keep going up and up
and up.

Speaker 13 (01:35:17):
So at the moment, aren't those landfills are they privately.

Speaker 3 (01:35:22):
Owned or owned almost all of the They're.

Speaker 13 (01:35:24):
Advantage to have as much waste coming in as possible.
So would they want to raise a levy?

Speaker 11 (01:35:31):
I mean it's a very.

Speaker 3 (01:35:33):
Good point that you raise. No, if you're in the
business of landfills, you know, do you want people diverting? No,
you don't. But saying that most of the large companies
that are involved in the space are actively trying to
reduce waste as well.

Speaker 13 (01:35:48):
Do they want the land they wanted to operate as
long as possible, I would imagine, Well, you know, there's
also money to be made from waste recovery, right, So
you know, if you're if you're charging a couple of
hundred bucks for a nine meters skip, right, and then
you're taking all of that and paying to dump it somewhere,
or you're taking it and you're able to send plasterboard

(01:36:12):
here and timber there, and metal there and cardboard there
and plastic there, then you're not having to pay to
dump it.

Speaker 3 (01:36:19):
Right, So you know, possibly there's when we say resource recovery,
the idea is that all of this material, much of
it has another life, and some of it has a
financial value. So you know, if local recycling centers are
collecting your metal and sending it away, they'll get something
for that might not be a lot, but they will

(01:36:44):
get something for it, and it's not going to landfill.
And I think it's just that vision that I have
of this vast quantity of material every single day going
to landfill, that I'll.

Speaker 13 (01:36:57):
Be no cost for disposing of that under lential either.

Speaker 3 (01:37:02):
Recycling probably is well, that's right, there's there's a cost
of recycling as well, but in general, I think we
should have had that way, Gillian. I'm going to try
and get to a couple of other calls before we
go into the garden with red climb pass. Will take
a short break. We'll be back with Bobby in just
a moment.

Speaker 1 (01:37:18):
Measure twice God was but maybe called Pete first, be
the wolf care the resident builder.

Speaker 11 (01:37:23):
News Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (01:37:25):
Your news Talk said be. We've got shortly, so we'll
trot through these I possibly can Bobby. Hello, good morning, Bobby,
Thanks for waiting. How are you.

Speaker 17 (01:37:36):
I'm stabulous. I've been sitting here Arma aulling my cow.
I've been waiting, so be quite friendous. It something you
never get to do. Heson. I was calling about the
guy that spoke about the pacola earlier and on the
boundary at close to the boundary with his neighbor. Yes,
I totally get not wanting to pay for counsel fees.
But for anybody in that sort of similar scenario, getting

(01:37:58):
getting permission from your neighbor is good obviously, But if
you want to sell your house, ye, and it'll show
them the council records that there's no permit for that
particular whatever it is that you put there. Yes, they
can either make you take it down or you can
try and get it signed off and retrospect, which could
cost you a bit of money anyway. But the other
thing is that could actually also affect your insurance. If

(01:38:21):
your pagola, if the roof flies off in a big
storm and hits the house next door and damages it
quite extensively, you won't have insurance. I'm pretty sure that,
so you have to pay for the house next door,
as well as the fact that your progoles shouldn't have
been there or whatever it is.

Speaker 3 (01:38:34):
Yeah, and I think two banks now look at sort
of you know, unauthorized works and that sort of thing,
and are often really reluctant to loan on that. So yes,
you're right out there and increasingly their risk averse and
so having unconsented works. Where we used to take a
sort of casual, lay safeer approach to it all, it's

(01:38:54):
just a different environment now.

Speaker 17 (01:38:56):
So yeah, it is really you're better off spending the money,
even though it just makes me cringe, but you're better
off it's actually getting it complied, and then you can
rest assure that.

Speaker 3 (01:39:06):
No matter what I think that's very wise.

Speaker 17 (01:39:10):
Thank you. But the other thing I was ann asked
was what was that recycling thing called? Sorry I didn't
hear I've heard it earlier and I was driving. I
couldn't remember the one where the builders that's and pieces
go to get recycled as opposed to use for landfill.
What's that call to the places that already?

Speaker 3 (01:39:26):
Yeah, Green Gorilla does it. A couple of other companies
do it. I mean green Gril is interesting because they
have a large processing plant that does it automatically, right,
so their separation happens inside the factory. What I'm involved in,
and what we've been talking about, is your local community
recycling centers so CRCs, which I'm familiar with in Auckland,

(01:39:47):
but I think around the country there is a network
of them. So there's an exceptional one, for example at Raglan,
where I haven't been there yet, but it's it's a
really good example of a sort of community run recycling
center that's really passionate about reducing the amount of material
that goes to landfill and rep purposing recycling existing materials.

(01:40:09):
They're all around the country, so it shouldn't be too hard.
We had a couple of techs, someone talking about one
in Parmeston all someone else talking about one in christ Church.
Someone complaining about grumpy people at the one in christ Church,
which I think is just bloody absurd. But anyway, and
you know, so they're out there, right. I think it's

(01:40:29):
just that, I know, consciousness makes people cringe, but I
think we're now at a point where we just can't
ignore the fact that we just can't keep being as
wasteful as we have been. Right and particularly when I
you know, because I'm quite involved. I'm a trustee or
I'm a board member of the trust that administers the

(01:40:52):
Devenport Recycling Center, the Resource Recovery Devenport, you know, when
you see what we're able to do, and the fact
that you know, currently our diversion rates are seventy eight
percent of all of the material that comes over the
way bridge, seventy eight percent it's diverted from landfill. So

(01:41:13):
that really it's pretty damn good, I think, you know, yeah,
you know, I just the sight of trucks just trundling
off into the countryside and tipping stuff into a valley,
I just don't think that's great. So we shouldn't be
doing it. It's as simple as that.

Speaker 17 (01:41:32):
Thank and Huntly at the old Wedding's mine. And they've
got apparently counsel permission to fill in the valleys if
you like, they're not actually giving but to fill in
the valley. So, like you said, to dump into something,
then they have to cover it and they're not allowed
to put a fist off them. But what's to say
that they don't put you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:41:47):
That happens, but you know, and again, look, I'm not
that wooly eyed individual that goes you know, personally, I
suppose I should believe in zero waste, but I'm a
practical person and I look at what I sweep up
from the workshop floor and go, you know, I don't
think anyone's really excited about taking that material. Right, So
a certain amount is I think, practically speaking, is always

(01:42:07):
going to end up in landfill. But you know, without
too much effort, if you can get to seventy or
eighty percent, And I mentioned I've been to a large
commercial building done by Naylor Love and Auckland and they
achieved ninety percent diversion from landfill. Right takes some effort,
but it is possible. So we should be doing it,

(01:42:29):
you know. Right rent Over, I'm going to go into
the garden where it's all sweetness and light with rut
and we'll talk about this on another day. Jillian, thank
you very much for your comments. Ridioh. Fabulous morning of conversation.
Let's get into the garden. Roots on standby, Let's rip
into it. If you've got a question for it. Oh
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