The Resident Builder podcast: August 11, 2024

This week on the show, ZB's Resident Builder Pete Wolfkamp discusses the latest issues impacting the world of construction- and answers questions!

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Resident build Up Podcast with Peter
Wolfcamp from News Talks at Bay.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Even when the grass is overgrown in the yard, and
even when the dog is too old to bark, and
when you're sitting at the table trying to start.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Scissor home, even when we leave a band, even when
you're there alone.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
You know, houses a home, even when those ghost even
when you got around from the world you love your most.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Stream, those broken paints.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Feeling from the wood, locals wisper when they're going to leave,
the neighbors, even when we're n.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Even when you're the long.

Speaker 4 (01:23):
Well, A very good morning and welcome along to the
Resident Builder on Sunday. You're with me, Peter wolf Camp,
the Resident Builder, and this is your opportunity to ask questions,
to discuss, to debate, to challenge, to ah just have
a good old fashioned chin wag about all things building
and construction. So if you've got a practical question of

(01:46):
a nature of you know, doors that won't open and
floors that might squeak, or petitions that are not particularly upright,
these sorts of things, we can talk about that. If
you've got a question around building and compliance and regulations,
all of these sorts of things that are part of
the building environment as well. We can certainly chat. If

(02:07):
perhaps you've wandered along as I do, to a hardware
store and I'm perusing the aisles thinking now which one
of these is better than which one of those? Then
we can talk products and I you know, things that
you need to build with or to do projects with.
We can do that on this program as well. We
can talk about those things as well. This gives me

(02:27):
flashbacks to last week, our first caller talking about table
saws and choosing tools and that sort of thing. Moren't
happy actually chat about tools and bits and pieces. I
had my table saw out yesterday, yesday day before, no
day before, just making something in the shed, which was
actually enormously satisfying, like a little bit of shed time,

(02:50):
a little bit of workshop time in effect, a little
bit of me time, was delightful. So and also an opportunity.
I'm a late convert to the whole track saw thing.
Plenty of trades out there, plenty of people will have
a track saw. I've always had circular saws, I've always
had table saw I've always had a bit of aluminium
that I can clamp down as a straight edge, and

(03:13):
that's a sort of de facto track saw, but they
are a little bit flash than that. Anyway, I ended
up with one a little while ago that Royobi guys
dropped one off, and I was using that for the
first time for quite a while in the workshop. It
was actually very good. I can see why everyone's got
them on site. So little track saw and what do
I make? I swapped over printers and so had I

(03:36):
used to have a little platform underneath the printer where
I could store the paper. Anyway, I swapped over to
a printer that does a three one that I used
to take to work with me, which meant that the
box that I had was too small. Sorry for the
long introduction to this, but it kind of makes sense.
So I thought, right, I'll give that one away and
it's being used by someone else now. And then I
needed another little platform that I can put the paper

(03:58):
in underneath there because my office isn't bring enough blah
blah blah. And then I thought, I'll make a little
shelf in it too, and then I can put paperwork
on top of it. And then I had a foss
around in the shed found I think it was actually
an old plywood top from a set of trestle tables
that I'd fossicked away in the back there, So set
that through the sword, dimensioned it up, cut it up
with the little ryobi track, saw sanded it, put it

(04:21):
all together, gave it a first code of razine clear
polyurethane yesterday, do some filling last night. I'll give another
coat of polyurethane and that can go into the workshop
with me into the office rather after it's had it
seventy two hours of curing.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
There you go.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
That was a little project that we got underway, right,
all things building construction. Can I also say I drove
this morning to work, as I do every Sunday, obviously,
and on a street leading to where I live, which
happens to be in Devenport on the shore, and they're
doing a lot of work on Lake Road, and so
they've got lots and lots of road cones. This isn't

(04:58):
a rant about road cones. This is a rampant about
the muppets that like to knock them over at night time.
I mean, seriously, what sort of And to be fair,
I spent a fair amount of time driving in today
thinking about that, because I was slightly interfered. It's just
one of those idiot moves. Oh why go and knock
them over? Someone's got to come out put them all

(05:21):
back up again. Everyone has to navigate their way through
a whole set of scattered road cones on what's already
a relatively narrow access way, given that there's so much
work happening on the street. What sort of move is that?
And then I was trying to figure out actually a
way of describing said people without getting a BSA complaint,
because typically we have really blunt and direct ways of

(05:42):
describing such people on building sites, but that language is
not appropriate here. So I'm still struggling actually to think
of a better word than well, I think of lots
of better words. I just can't say them on the
radio anyway. Don't be a dick and do that. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Let's get into it.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine two nine two is
the text number. That's z BZB from your mobile phone.
If you would like to text, you are more than
welcome to do that. And if you'd like to see
me an email, you can do that as well. Pete
at newstalksb dot Co dot N said, we are keeping
an eye on the high jump, which, to be fair,
was looking a little bit nerve wracking for Kerr, the

(06:21):
New Zealand high jumper. But he has cleared the last barrier,
so I think he's cleared two point three one and
they've now set the barrier at two point three seven,
which is kind of a door plus an extra bit.
That's how I always think about it, because you look
at this and you go, how hig are they actually jumping?
And they think, well, a standard doors are nineteen to
eighty leaf, So then you add a gap underneath it,

(06:43):
and let's say twenty mil for the jamliner, so you're
at two meters and then add about a foot there
you go, how's that for mixing up my measurements. I'll
go two meters because I know what height to door
is and they're going to add a foot in there
because somehow I grew up with feet and inches. That's
a long way. That's a long way to launch your
body up and over and not clip anything. So anyway,

(07:06):
he's doing all right. We'll keep you up to date
with that, and certainly if he's in the hunt for gold.
We will definitely will keep you up to date. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty right, lots to talk about.
Lots of people coming on the show later on as well.
Our good mate Bryce from Razine he's going to come on.
So any specific painting questions you might have, you can

(07:27):
fire those through on the text machine. That's nine to two,
nine to two, so zbzb from for the text. Bryce
will be with us seven twenty five, and then after
eight o'clock we're going to have a quick catch up
with Amanda Stains. Now she is the CEO I think
for the Keystone Trust. I'll tell you about the Stone
Trust a little bit later. And last week on the

(07:47):
program I mentioned ventilation. I've made a note we will
definitely talk a little bit about ventilation. But let's rip
into it because we've got calls a waiting. It is
fifteen minutes after six and a very good morning to you.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
Ian.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
Hang on, hang on.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
Right, Ian, go for it.

Speaker 5 (08:08):
That sounds better.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (08:09):
Look, I've got a spa bath and the scud of
motor and a pump tucked away nicely underneath. And I
win that was being built maybe ten years ago.

Speaker 6 (08:16):
Now.

Speaker 5 (08:17):
I said to the builder, Hey, how do I get
to that? He said, I look, just zip out this
panel here. It's about a one point five by five
mil panel of tiles. It's got a silicon seal around it.
So at Jude formed the pump stopped well back. So
I got this knife and zipped around the silicon seala,
and of course it didn't come out, stayed there like

(08:37):
where it was. And as far as I can tell
by running a knife along the edges, there's some vertical
timber behind it, which looks like the supports for the
bath itself. And I would bet that some Numpton has
put the magical jib screws through the jib boarder and
tied it onto the timber before they put the tiles

(08:58):
on it, not knowing all about the subtlety of the
silicon sealer. So the question I've got this hall of a.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
Right, What I was going to ask is that you've
cut around and broken the bond of the ceilant. That's
not to say there might not be a little bit
more of a just like a vacuum that's effectively holding
it on. What are you using to pry that panel
off with?

Speaker 5 (09:20):
I've got a putty knife which I've sort of get
in it. It can go right in and places, so
it goes and maybe feel interest and you try and
give us an everage, but it doesn't want to go.
It's it's a little bit more fixed at the ends
where there's no timber, but we need the timbering. It
doesn't want to move at all.

Speaker 4 (09:38):
Right, you don't have a mate who's got those suction
cups that glaziers use by any chance.

Speaker 5 (09:45):
No, that's a thought. That's a thought. You could have
a look or something like that.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
Now that'll work, okay, if you can sort of get
a decent seal around them. The problem with the tiles
is that they will inevitably have grout lines, so you
may not get as good a vacuum seal on there
as you'd like. But it's I'm just thinking about giving
yourself something a little bit more leverage before or you
start breaking that panel out completely.

Speaker 5 (10:10):
Okay, Well, that's good thoughts. I mean, I guess that
was my question really was, what's what's a recommended method
for breaking the tires out nicely and neatly?

Speaker 7 (10:17):
As I say, look, you won't.

Speaker 4 (10:19):
Be able to save the tiles, right, or if you do,
I've got Yeah, okay, I would look to be fair
hammer and an old chisel, you know, and just work
your way in from one side trying. Once you've broken
away chip chipped a corner off, you can sort of
drive in between the tile and the substrate and just
cut through the adhesive. But before I suppose i'd get

(10:43):
in there with a even like with a pry bar.
So when you cut through the silicon sealant, do you
feel that the night the blade goes all the way
through and into sort of you know, a void behind
like you can't.

Speaker 5 (11:00):
Yeah, I can put it most of the way along.
I can put it in. It's spit tight in places,
but most of the way along I can get it in
the length of the wood to the length of the blade,
you know. So I've gone at another forty fifty sixty MILS.

Speaker 4 (11:11):
Other tool that might be quite useful, because to be fair,
it's always a good idea if you've got an excuse
to buy more tools. Is a multi tool with a
cutting blade on it.

Speaker 5 (11:21):
Yeah, I've got one of those. I thought I might
have a play down the and one of my options
was to sort of go down there's one. There's a
couple of there's two tiles eye basic this thing, and
maybe six or eight tiles wide. I thought I might
try and go down the go outline of a couple
of the tiles which have no timber behind them. Yes,

(11:43):
and then if I can get through the ground, i'd
go straight through. I have to cut the GiB as
well behind it and take out a whole tile section
which would give me a handworth to get in behind.
And whether I can fix the motor from there, I
don't know, but I might be then able to perhaps
turn the renovator around the other way with an angle
blade and attack any screws that the holding a jib

(12:03):
onto the timber you're onto it. Go for that sort
of option. Option A. Yeah, A bit of a mess
effects up, but that's possible. Tars and the problem I've
got some more.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
Yeah, and look if you ended up having to make
just a panel and fixing that neatly.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
Is it?

Speaker 4 (12:17):
Is it obvious with the motorers? Like is it the
first thing you see when you approach the spar or
is it?

Speaker 5 (12:22):
I know, I know exactly where the motor is. It's
just around the corner, right. I don't know why. I
don't know why the tile panel then' one whatever.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
But I think you're on the right track, and I
would definitely open up that gap with the multi tool,
And then, like you say, if you take a panel out,
then you could also use the multi tool to get
in behind and separate the substrate the lining from the
stadi just for some reason they have actually been fastened together.

Speaker 5 (12:51):
So the other thought I had was sort of attack
some tiles directly where quote the screws should be and
just under the screws. I'm not sure which is the
best way to go there with us, just to attempt
to get the whole thing out as a whole with
damaged tiles, or take out a section without dammating a title.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
I think if I was going to cut through, i'd
probably try and cut through around the perimeter of a
tile where you think there is no timber behind it,
so that in the end you could lift out one
piece and then you can get in there and have
a look around. Yep, yeah, all right, mate, all the
very best. That sounds like a good Sunday. Take care,

(13:26):
Maybe wait a little bit later before you start those
renovator tools. They are quite noisy. Yeah, they can be
quite noisy. We're hearing protection. Oh Waite hundred eighty ten
eighty the number to call Dave. A very good morning
to you. This is weird, this is weird. My finger's
not working. Hang on there we go, got you now,

(13:49):
Hello Dave, how are good? Thank you?

Speaker 3 (13:52):
And how are you?

Speaker 8 (13:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (13:55):
Not for bad?

Speaker 8 (13:56):
Yeah, So I don't want to bore you as too
many details, but we've got me more partner for a
new build place. It wasn't off the plans because it
was kind of like half built. Yeah, ended up sort
of signing the sound purchase. But once it was finished,
there was a lot of issues that we found in
the pre sediment inspection, like just workmanship issues, and there's

(14:21):
a lot of problems with it where the developer's not
really being very good at fixing them within that twelve
month period. Anyway, We've had a lot of back and
forth and gotten in real estate agencies involved, and nothing's
really working. So I've Filder playing with the dispute tribunal

(14:43):
and there's a bunch of things like paint quality and
like jip stopping quality and all that sort of thing.
But my question is is so the house has got
off It was specified in the spec sheet and in
the renderings in the building consent plans that they would
put aluminium lovers on the two front facing windows of property.

Speaker 6 (15:06):
Yes.

Speaker 8 (15:08):
The second thing is that it's kind of built into
a slope section, so they've done a lot of retaining
block wall, retaining at the bottom of the house built it,
and on the spec sheet, on the spec sheet it
specified that the block wall would be plasted with a

(15:29):
razine brought up I think it was called in Tigre
or something, And it doesn't specify the actual product and
the consent plans, but it does and the rendering have
clearly has like some sort of you know, plaster finish
on the block.

Speaker 4 (15:48):
Wall on the exterior of the block wall, and I
presume on the block wall above ground level.

Speaker 8 (15:56):
Yeah, that's correct. Yes, because the blockwall kind of is
all over the ground floor of the house. It makes
it like a three story house. The block wall kind
of like supporting that the bottom part of the house.
So my question has is those two things, like the
louvers and the finish of the of the block workers.

(16:20):
It's basically just bear at the moment and do you
have any elite to stand on when they've specified in
the specially and the building consent plans that it would
be plastered.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
Yes, yeah, I think that you should have a reasonable claim.
So the way I've always come to see building consents
these days is are they are effectively a contract. Right,
So what's on the building consent is what has to
be built, and you can change it, but then you

(16:58):
have to track that change as well. I If, for example,
something that is removed or substituted and it will an
item that is part of the building consent, then that
should be changed with either a minor variation or an amendment,
and you can track all of those changes. I presume
the house has a Code Compliance Certificate. Yes it does, okay,

(17:23):
all right, so it's had its final inspection and it's
had its CCC. The fact that like the render on
the exterior of the block work is probably their sense.
I mean, I think it's a good idea and it
allows you to paint it and that will allow you
to make it more weather proof, but it's probably not
integral to the overall performance of the building, so that

(17:46):
might be a little bit of a challenging one that
becomes a contract issue there. Well, I'm interested to hear
that they didn't install the aluminum lovers on the front
because I suspect that that's part of their resource consent
and that will be about either privacy or potentially it'll
be about shape, and so it'll be part of the

(18:08):
design of the building. So the fact that they are
not installed and they were clearly on the on the plans,
in some ways I'm a little bit surprised that the
final inspection didn't pick that up right, Like I wouldn't
have thought the building should get a cc if something's missing.

Speaker 6 (18:26):
It's funny you.

Speaker 10 (18:27):
Say that because the resource consent isn't actually fully signed
off yet.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
Ah okay, then can you get a CCC without the
resource consent being signed off?

Speaker 6 (18:41):
Apparently, says I've seen it.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
Yeah, no, you're right, I think you can. But yes,
the resource consent should be signed off. And maybe that's
the thing they haven't done. That it's on the resource
consent and it hasn't been done. And hopefully and maybe
the developers thinking, oh if I just ignore a little
go away and it won't which is good. So that
that's a really strong position for you to be in

(19:05):
the fact that the resource consent has not been signed off.
The other thing is that when was the construction finished?

Speaker 10 (19:17):
Rough maybe like no October or November.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
Okay, last year, all right, now somewhere along the line,
and you'll go through the property or through the file
and you'll see the name of the LBP that's been
assigned to it, particularly in terms of the actual main
contractor or the person responsible for the structural work. So
there'll be an LBP. This is the sort of thing
if you find you're not getting a professional response from

(19:44):
the LBP is to go to the disciplinary board, so
the Licensed Building Practitioner Disciplinary Board, because there is now
a code of Ethics for lbps, right, and that's around
you know, informing people working professionally, having good communication, those
sorts of things. So have a look for that online,

(20:06):
go to LBP Code of Ethics and it'll bring up
all of that information for you. That would be a
that gives you a bit of leverage.

Speaker 10 (20:17):
Where would you find them the number of CCC.

Speaker 4 (20:20):
Oh, yeah, if you go yes on the CCC application form,
it should have record of works from people like yeah,
it'll have the LBP details on there. And remember and
that LBP may not necessarily be the developer. It may

(20:40):
not necessarily be the main contractor. But if as an LBP,
like I'm an LBP, if I put my name to it,
I'm responsible for it, right and and so you can
leverage off that.

Speaker 10 (20:53):
Right, Okay.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
Yeah, And I think going to the dispute tribunal in
the way that you're intending is probably a good idea.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
It does get.

Speaker 4 (21:02):
Tricky around, you know, workmanship, because there is a guide
to tolerances and a guide to defects. So make sure
that you are that you know what the rules are
and what the standards are, and that the work does
actually is less than what was reasonably expected. And I

(21:24):
only say that because I know someone who's involved in
a case recently where their work was actually okay and
met the standards. In fact was better than okay. It
was just they were dealing with a client who was
to be blunt, illogical, right, and unrealistic. So you know,

(21:44):
you don't sound like that person. But it's always good
if you're going to go into a dispute around standards,
that you know what the standards are and you can
clearly identify and highlight the fact that the work does
not meet those standards.

Speaker 10 (21:57):
This is an example you can see that joins in
the ceiling ye in the main living area pretty clearly.

Speaker 6 (22:04):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
And that's the sort of thing that in a new build,
you know. I mean again, if you know what you're
looking for, you probably find it in anyone's work right
somewhere along the line. But if you walk in and
it stands out like the proverbial, then that's not acceptable.
That's poor workmanship or poor painting, or a combination of both. Yeah,

(22:27):
good luck and let us know how you get on.
But check out the LBP Code of Ethics. Okay, cool,
all right, all the best, take care. Not a great
situation to be in. It must be kind of disheartening
to be fair. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
We a bit behind on the brakes. It is six
twenty nine. Good news. Hamish Kerr in the high jump
has just cleared two thirty six, so he's still in

(22:48):
the leading pack. So he's just cleared two thirty six,
which is pretty impressive. Back in the mouth you and
news talk se'd be keeping one eye on the high jump,
which is pretty exciting at the moment. So two meters
thirty six, take your take measure out. Run that up
the that's almost as tall to be fair, that's like

(23:09):
just tucking underneath the scotia of a standard new bill.
Talking about new bills with Dave just a moment ago.
I wait, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call Marty. Thank you very much for your text.
But a wonderful word. Wonderful word, unrepeatable on radio, but
it does go. It's a perfect word for describing those
people that I made the comment earlier this morning driving
in there's a lot of roadworks in Cones that are

(23:32):
up on the road into where I live, and overnight
someone has thought that it's entertaining to go and knock
down probably I don't know, thirty percent of them or
something like that. So I was trying to come up
with an appropriate term for people who get their jollies
from doing such an idiotic thing. I wait, one hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Jim A
very good morning to you. Hey there, Jim, Yes, good morning,

(23:56):
Good morning, Jim.

Speaker 9 (23:58):
Yeah, there's I've got a little heck up. We bought
a house eight years ago. Who was We're the third owner.
It would be three four years old. At the time.
The section was fenced. There was no garage on the section.
So we got a built, a garage built. We've just

(24:19):
discovered that the one of the boundary fences, unfortunately next
door to the garage, is not in the right place.
So consequently the the the right way should it actually
comes into the garage about probably about one hundred mills

(24:40):
right yep? So what where where where do we stand
with that? You know, everybody signed off for it, but
now we discover that no one wants to know anything
about it. I don't know who actually built the fence.
It wouldn't have been the actual house builder. But yeah,

(25:04):
the council signed up the garage.

Speaker 4 (25:08):
Hang on, so council signed off the garage. So the
garage has got a building consent, yes, and the building
consent was signed off by the council. And so yeah,
because and when was the garage built? Twelve years ago roughly?

Speaker 9 (25:25):
And eight years ago actually eight years ago now.

Speaker 4 (25:29):
Okay, sixteen Yeah, quite genuinely, I'm a little surprised at
the fact that the garage was able to be located
without a surveyor's certificate. Right, So typically these days, back
in the day, like when I first started building, you'd go, hey,

(25:50):
look here's where I think the boundary is. This is
where the building consent shows the new build to go.
I've run a string line down the boundary and I've
said it. I tell you what can I just get
you to hold because it's very in the Olympics right now?

Speaker 1 (26:10):
A chance for gold Live commentary of Paris twenty twenty
four on you still zvy.

Speaker 11 (26:23):
Shelby McEwen is going to be the first to try.
He came into the competition with a PB of two
thirty three. This a full five centimeters higher for Shelby McEwen,
but he does have momentum on his side. His last
two jumps have been clearances at two thirty four and

(26:44):
two thirty six. What about two thirty eight. We're getting
right up there now McEwen the American left hand side.
He took off a long way from the bar and
hit it on the way up. So I miss for
Shelby McEwen at two thirty eight. If Hamish Kerr can

(27:12):
clear this, he puts himself in a tremendous position for gold.
He already knows that he is the gold medallist. If
Shelby McEwen cannot clear two thirty eight, it's done. On
countback of missus. Hamish kurmiss twice at two thirty one,

(27:33):
but cleared first time at two thirty four and first
time at two thirty six. Shelby McEwen was clear up
until two thirty four, when he needed three attempts before
going clear at two thirty six. So as things stand,
Hamish Curve is in the gold medal position. He's asking

(28:00):
for assistance from the crowd. Now is Hamish Kur Never
before has he cleared this height. He said in the
lead up to these Olympic Games that he believed he
had a two point forty in his locker. What about
a two thirty eight first attempt for Hamoush Kurr right handed.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
Approach and no, it never looked good.

Speaker 11 (28:26):
I think he can tell what Hamish curR he gets
right to the end of his approach, and then we'll
keep you up.

Speaker 4 (28:32):
Today's eight with the high jumps of Hamishkur, who successfully
cleared two point three six meters and that puts him
in a leading position, is now having a go at
two point three eight. He didn't make that. That's a
hell of a long way to jump, but neither no
one else has either, So it's still looking like he's
a genuine chance for a gold medal. We will keep

(28:53):
you up to date with that. Let's go back to
Jim So Jim, I like, I'm a little bit surprised
that a building that was built twelve years ago, because
that's not that long ago or eight year years ago,
wasn't required to have a sighting certificate? Right that that
somewhere along the line. Typically the first thing the building

(29:14):
inspector will do on the first inspection, which will be
the footings. They'll come out and go, okay, can you
show me where the boundary is or can you show
me a sighting certificate from a surveyor that shows that
it's in the correct place, Because and I assume that
the plans show a theoretical boundary and then the building
offset from the boundary by a certain distance.

Speaker 9 (29:36):
Right the plans that I've got now, which I didn't
have at the time because we were here. Yes, I
does show and this has only been brought to my
attention now, it does show that the fence comes on
an angle. It's a bit of a strange thing. It
comes on an angle and then goes back again. Now,

(29:58):
to be honest, there is one surveyp at one end
of the fence, and I think what they've done is
looked at that and said, oh, well the fence the
other peak must be down the other end, but I've
not gone looking for it because it's definitely not there.
And here.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
Okay, I well, I would say that the fact that
you know, like if you said to me, look, i've
got this garage. It was built in the nineteen fifties,
then I'd go, yeah, okay, that's just unfortunate. But the
fact that it had a building consent, it was signed
off by the council, and now it turns out that

(30:37):
it's in the wrong place, I think you've got a
reasonable claim at council for not doing their job right.
So and to be fair, every now and then council
don't do it right. There was a very well known
case of a house in South Auckland in a subdivision
which was supposed to be a meter from the boundary

(30:59):
and ended up being on the boundary, and someone somehow
missed that in the setout. So I think in this case,
and the issue is now that someone wants that land
that you thought was yours but isn't actually yours, and
they want to use it, like, who knows what's the issue.

Speaker 9 (31:17):
I've actually talked to the neighbor. Yeah, they're quite happy
to say, just get it serveted off, and you know,
I leave the fence where it is. I don't want
the meter or land back again. That's it's been like
that as long as i'velent here, which is a lot
longer than me, so that quite happy to do it.

(31:37):
But it means that we would have to get the
whole place resurveyed, which you would have an idea how
I've been told what roughly it would cost.

Speaker 4 (31:46):
Maybe twenty grand something like that.

Speaker 9 (31:48):
Yeah, yeah, plus.

Speaker 4 (31:50):
Plus you would probably need to buy that piece of
land now, whether you buy it for a dollar or whatever,
but to actually make it yours, because you know, at
this stage, if you and your neighbor agree that it's
no issue, that's great until one of you changes, right,
and then if the neighbors ols and somebody else decides
that in fact they don't want the infringement, they could

(32:10):
come to you and say it's on my land, you've
got to move it. And obviously that means demolishing the
garage and starting over again. Look maybe, and it's probably
the sort of thing that if you're going to go
into battle with the council, you probably need to contract
a lawyer to do that. And you'd go to the
lawyer and go, look, I want you to make a

(32:32):
claim to counsel that they are stuffed up basically, and
that their contribution could be to do a resurvey to
allow you to legalize the location of the building by
redoing the the boundary. That's probably going to be the
best situation. Otherwise, I think you probably in the end,

(32:55):
the fact that nobody somebody missed out the survey, somebody
didn't determine the boundary properly in the building got built,
doesn't mean the building can stay there. Would think that
the building would probably still need to come down if somebody,
the neighbor insisted they wanted their piece of land back.

Speaker 9 (33:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well we've had a talk to them
and they couldn't, you know.

Speaker 4 (33:19):
Which is great, and now would be the time to go.
Let's formalize that. Let's have you know, let's resurvey the property,
determine the size of it, decide that this is the
new boundary, make an arrangement with the two of us.
But look, by the time you do the survey and
update the title and all the rest of it. You're
in the thousands of dollars. And you know, like I say,

(33:41):
if it was way back, I'd say, it's one of
those things that happened back then. But today I in
an eight year old building. There should have been a
survey certificate and the council inspector should have checked its
location in relation to the boundary and signed And by
signing off on the building, they've signed off on the location.

(34:02):
And it sounds like they've stuffed that up. Good luck
with all of that, Jim let us. Oh how you
get on? That's a hell of a thing. Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
You can text as well, nine two nine two if
you'd like, semi a text all things building and construction.
But right now we'll take a short break. We'll come
back in just a moment. No break, right, We're going

(34:22):
to wait for just a little bit longer. It's quite
exciting at the Olympics right now. Another a reasonable chance
of another gold medal on top of what has been
an outstanding overnight performance for New Zealanders. Obviously, Lisa Carrington
in the k one and dear co in the golf
as well, both coming away with gold medals, increasing our

(34:44):
telly quite significantly. So we'll come back and have a
wee look at the Olympics in just a moment. If
you've got a question of a building nature, oh eight,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Actually that's I was relating it initially to the height
of a door. I'm just trying to in my mind
think about what it's like to leap over two point

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three six meters. And someone has pointed out and I
mentioned this as well on the text, Well, when you
think about a two point four stud, two point three
six is just forty milimeters less than that. So if
you've got a standard forty mili bit of coving, then
that's as high as you're jumping. So if you're in
a standard house these days, two point four meters, that's

(35:30):
leaping almost over that wall plate craky. It is a
staggering achievement, isn't it. You and newstalks'd be we're talking
all things building and construction. We are going to go
live to Paris.

Speaker 11 (35:48):
Hang on just a moment, Maybe we are in a
situation where a jump off or be required, So they're
showing them, showing them in the joint gold medal position.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
Two missus.

Speaker 11 (36:16):
At an earlier height for McEwen, two misses at an
earlier height for Kerr.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
McEwen's misses were at.

Speaker 11 (36:24):
Two thirty four, Kerrs were at two thirty one. Can
Hamer's Kerr put it beyond doubt by clearing two thirty
eight three years ago we had joint gold medallists. Are
we headed down that track again? A jump for gold

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though for Hamous care at two thirty eight, the biggest
jump of his career for Hamous kur If he goes
clear at two thirty eight, he wins the Olympic gold.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
A miss.

Speaker 11 (37:16):
And we leave ourselves in the hands of the officials.
Hamus Kerr gets the crowd going. His whole career has
led to this moment, this one moment on a Parisian night,

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and he dives under the bar Hamous Kurr, so it's
not going to count. It's a miss, and now we wait.
Nobody seems to know what the situation is. They're showing
Hamish Kerr and Shelby McEwen as joint gold medalists at

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the moment.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
They come together.

Speaker 11 (38:07):
Remember three years ago they shared the gold medal by
Sheem and Tim Berry up and I think they're going
to jump. Shelby McEwan seems to be indicating that we're

(38:28):
going to jump off.

Speaker 12 (38:29):
For it back down.

Speaker 11 (38:40):
So they are going to keep going. So apologies for
any confusion around a premature gold. Famous care is going
to have to do a bit more work. So back
out they come and we check.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
The height.

Speaker 11 (39:05):
Does it stay at two thirty eight or do they
bring it down? Well, they're showing now two forty on
the barge.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
Just trying to decipher what is going on here.

Speaker 11 (39:27):
Both mckiwen and Hamish Kurr have missed twice at two
thirty eight. I missed three times rather at two thirty eight,
and so where do we put the bar now? Lots
of activity in the jumping area.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
McEwan's going to be first to go.

Speaker 11 (39:57):
Now two thirty eight, it would appear, although the graphic
has quickly disappeared, it is at two thirty eight, so
they'll continue to jump at two thirty eight.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
McEwen will be first to go.

Speaker 11 (40:21):
With what is now his fourth attempt at this height.
Shall we McEwen from the left hand side two thirty
eight on the bar, and he can't get it done.
On the way up he crashes into the bar, So
a fourth miss at two thirty eight, and so presumably

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now we're at sudden death a clearance provided the other
competitor doesn't clear, and you win. So Hamish Kerr has
I guess the advantage of going second.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
Hamus Kurr just going through some.

Speaker 11 (41:35):
Final preparations relacing the shoes, making sure there's absolutely no
possibility of any part of its clothing impeding what could
be a gold medal jump. So two thirty eight on
the bar. As we're in a jump off for gold
here mckiwan has missed in his first jump in the

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jump off at two thirty eight.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
Hamish cur.

Speaker 11 (42:14):
Is next again addresses what would be a new personal best.
Here is cur and he flicks the bar with his back,
so a miss for kur at two thirty eight.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
So they'll go again.

Speaker 11 (42:34):
At the same height and Shelby McEwen is next. So
three years ago the gold medal was shared between Bashim
and Tambury, but McEwen and Kerr in no such mood

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here in powis it was very different games of course
three years ago, so they bring it down to two
thirty six now, So it comes down to two thirty six.
Both McEwen and Kerr successful at two thirty six in
ordinary competition, but the pressure and the stakes are a

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lot higher now. Hamus Kerr lying on his back, staring
up into the Paris night.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
Shelby McEwen ready to have a look at two.

Speaker 11 (43:34):
Thirty six, sudden death high drama high jump. McEwen at
two thirty six, asking for assistance from the crowd. Here

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is McEwen, Can he put the pressure squarely on Hamish
Cur by clearing two thirty six.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
Here from the left hand side.

Speaker 11 (44:24):
Here is McEwen and he clips the bar and so
now Hamish cur with a jump at two thirty six
for gold. A Kewan misses at two thirty six. Presumably

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if Kurr was to miss at two thirty six, they'd
go down to.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
Two thirty four again.

Speaker 11 (44:57):
But Hamish Kerr knows this is within his capability. He's
jumped two thirty six before before tonight did it again
night a jump for the Olympic gold medal for Hamosh
cur of New Zealand. Final few words of encouragement and

(45:23):
advice from coach James Sanderland's all eyes in this enormous
arena are on Kiwi Hamish cur.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
On.

Speaker 11 (45:45):
This the biggest stage of all, the biggest moment of
his high jumping career. Two thirty six for gold curve
from the right hand side, and he can't clear it.
He can't clear it, and so we drop again?

Speaker 3 (46:09):
Do we drop again? So isn't this a funny old sport?

Speaker 11 (46:24):
Hamus Kirk clear at two thirty six in normal competition
as was, She'll be McEwen.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
Where are we going with the bar? Now?

Speaker 11 (46:37):
Two thirty four again, it'll be McEwan to jump first.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
I'm sure these two didn't expect to.

Speaker 11 (46:54):
Have to jump this many jumps, this late into the night.
We're approaching nine o'clock in the evening.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
Amous Kerr wanders over to the middle of the.

Speaker 11 (47:15):
Arena, the high jump area, quick swig of his drink bottle.
He knows that he can clear two thirty four. He
knows it, but so tutors shellby McEwen. He knows it.

(47:36):
What high drama here in the high jump? So we
look at the countbacks shall be McEwen missed twice at
two thirty four. Those were his only missers up until
he missed all three times at two thirty eight, so
two misses for McEwen. Similarly, Kerr missed twice at two
thirty one. Those were his only two misses. So clearly

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the height at which you miss doesn't matter in a countback,
it's just that you missed. So two misses for McEwen
to misses for Kerr. Neither could clear two thirty eight,
so into a jump off we go two thirty six.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
Both missed. We're now at two thirty four.

Speaker 11 (48:24):
A jumper piece at this height, this would be where
it would be really handy to be miked up with
the officials, as we're really only going from the pictures

(48:49):
we're seeing on the screen. But as I understand it,
the bar is at two thirty four and Kerr and
McEwen will have one jump each at it. M kewan

(49:12):
goes for a fresh water. He's wandering around as we
just wait, We just wait. Something we didn't expect at

(49:38):
this stage at seven o'clock. We might take a break
shortly or shall we stay with it? Seems to be
a short delay in proceedings. The reason we're breaking is

(49:59):
because the four by four hundred meter final is about
to get underway. So just checking that we can take
a break for this, I think we probably can be
good with that mark to take a break, Let's stay
with it. Let's stay with it. So at the moment,

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Hamish Kerr and Shelby McEwen just have to wait for
the four by four hundred meter relay to play out.
This adds further drama too, and already emotion packed high
jump competition, we've got the men's four by four hundred
me to relay final about to get underweight. That'll take

(50:46):
three or four minutes, three or four minutes of waiting
time for Hamish Kurr and Shelby McEwen. Don't worry, you
won't miss anything. We'll make sure that you're with us.
When these two have their ten to two thirty four

(51:09):
silence around de France for the start of the four
by four hundred meter relay, Shelby McEwan looks across and
I guess shows a little bit of interest in his team,
the United.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
States of America. He gets up and has a look.

Speaker 11 (51:31):
So three minutes worth of this four by four hundred
meter relay, we're back after this with the conclusion of
the men's high jump, and we are back as Shelby
McEwen was applauding and encouraging his four by four hundred

(51:54):
meter relate countrymen, but he is now going to have
his attempt. Here is Shelby McEwen.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
At two thirty to put pressure on Hamish Cur.

Speaker 11 (52:12):
McEwen two thirty four has PB before today, approaches from
the left hand side of the American and misses at.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
Two thirty four.

Speaker 11 (52:27):
So what an opportunity now for Hamish Cur. A clarance
at two thirty four and the gold medal is his
surely not in the way that he expected or any
of us did. So three misses at two thirty eight

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for McEwen, another miss at two thirty eight, another miss
at two thirty six, and a miss at two thirty four.
As we work our way back down, Hamish Cur looks
at two thirty four on the bar as the four
by four hundred meter relay passes by again. Well, Shelby

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McEwan had his jump during the relay. Hamish Kurgi just
sorting his foot wear out. He's on the other side
of the running track, Hamish curse, so he is going
to have to wait for the conclusion of the four

(53:41):
by four hundred meter relay, which is currently into its
third leg as the.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
Runners pass by the high jump area.

Speaker 11 (53:54):
One more lap of the four by four hundred or
will Hamish curR have his opportunity now that they've passed by.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
Let's see.

Speaker 11 (54:05):
He is I think going to address this attempt now.
In fact, the relayers done and dusted, so now we
can get under way. Massive moment in the track and

(54:34):
field career of New Zealand's Hamish curve two meters thirty
four on the bar, the calm serenity masking a deep
resilience and commitment to hours and weeks and years of training.

(54:59):
Hamer's curve for the.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
Gold middle Kiwi's can fly.

Speaker 11 (55:05):
And cur scales his everest and his high jump Olympic champion,
and he is away. Hamous cur sprinting around this arena
arms wide.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
He is an Olympic champion.

Speaker 11 (55:26):
In the most dramatic of high jump finals, Hamous curve
brings it home for New Zealand's What a moment. For
the first time ever, New Zealand has a high jump
champion at an Olympic Games, and it couldn't happen to

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a bitter bloke. Hamous Curb by way of a jump
off with Shelby McKellen of the United States, has got
it done and will stand on the top step of
the podium. Remarkable, remarkable from Hamoerus cur What a moment

(56:08):
for him. He embraces the other competitors. Marco Tamburry a
gold medalist three years ago.

Speaker 4 (56:16):
What a fantastic event. And then the in your head
waiting for the relay to finish as well keeping your
composure and then jumping two point three four meters for
an Olympic gold medal. Fantastic. More in news and sport. Well,
to be fair, I don't think I'm ever going to

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look at a two point four stud in the same
way in my life. Again, that was remarkable. So having
stood any number of frames over many, many years, and
typically our New Zealand construction, it's two point four meters
as a stard height. So if you're wandering around you're
looking at your ceiling right now, you're thinking about Hamish
cur leaping almost that height. So to win gold medal
in a very very exciting manner and kind of not

(57:01):
quite fascical but the fact that their run up leads
across the track and they had to wait for a
little while while the men's four by four hundred meter
final was taking place. And then to keep your head,
you know, to keep your mind on the task while
all of this other activity is going on. And then
to have achieved two point three meters, but to win

(57:21):
the gold by jumping two point three to four is remarkable.
We will go to the metal ceremony that'll be in
about an hour's time. So anyway, it's been a very
very exciting morning and a great morning for New Zealand
sport as well at the Olympics, with obviously overnight Lisa
Carrington gold medal in the K one to five hundred,
Lydia Co in the golf and now Hamish curR in

(57:45):
the high jump as well, so three gold medals overnight.
And thank you very much for persevering with us. It's
exciting to catch up with a sort of news, right.
We are talking building construction and stard Heights. Eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. If you've
got a building question, you can call us now. If
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(58:06):
painting expert will be with us in about ten minutes actually,
so if you've got a specific painting question, text them
through to nine to nine two and Jerry the most
patient man I know. Thank you for waiting in a
very good morning to you, Jerry.

Speaker 7 (58:21):
Oh, yes, good morning. Yes, I was very exciting just
to hear that metal victory by Hamish.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
What I find, apart from the fact that I find
it difficult to comprehend what it must be like to
be able to leap that high in that particular event,
for all of that other activity because there were races
on the track, right, there's athletic events on the track,
so you kind of have to wait for other people
to do their thing and then you can do your thing.

(58:49):
So keeping your head straight is phenomenal anyway, right, Oh, what.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
Can we watch?

Speaker 4 (58:56):
We talk about Let's talk the basements.

Speaker 7 (58:59):
Yes, I've wondered about this question for many many years. Sure,
I lived overseas in America and all the places that
I lived in we always had a basement. And now
that I'm living here in New Zealand for the past
ten years, I have never encountered anybody and any home
or any dwelling that has a basement. Is there something

(59:21):
in the New Zealand soil, Is there something in the
New Zealand soil, or just the way you know, I
just don't understand why there are no basements now in
the New Zealand housing business.

Speaker 4 (59:37):
Now, let's just be a bit clear on this, because
people do have basements, right in the sense that if
you're a two storied house and maybe you're built into
a bank, you'll excavate, you'll do a retaining wall, and
that it's not quite a basement. So when you're talking basement,
you're talking about a house that when you look at
it from the street, you know, the ground floor might
be a meter off the ground, let's say, But when

(59:58):
you go inside the house, you can go down and
you'll have a cellar. So my family's from the Netherlands,
and when I go back and at some of my
aunties and uncles, they will often have what they call
a calder a cellar, right, And this might be in
a relatively small house and you go downstairs and it's
kind of a cool storage space. And having spent a

(01:00:19):
little bit of time in the States as well, I
know exactly what you mean that you'll do a basement, right,
it'll be often for storage or utilities and that sort
of thing. And like you, I've often wondered why we
don't build like that in New Zealand as well. And
I think if I had the opportunity and I know,

(01:00:40):
heighten relation to boundary and site coverage and all those
sorts of things, if I wanted like a single level dwelling,
and I had the opportunity of let's say, having that
floor AT's say a meter off the ground, I would
probably seriously consider doing a basement exactly like that. So yeah,
I do wonder. I don't know what it is, whether
it's our designers are not familiar with it. There's no

(01:01:03):
reason that. I mean, I've done plenty of basement developments
where we've dealt with issues, you know, often around moisture,
for example, because what you don't want is for that
to become a swimming pool or a tank underneath the house.
But you can deal with that. So no, it's a
mystery to me.

Speaker 7 (01:01:21):
But there's nothing wrong with the actual soil composition in
New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (01:01:28):
I can't imagine. So I mean, you know, I mean
you think about Wisconsin for it, name just you know,
I'm sure that there are thousands of houses in Wisconsin
where with basements, right, and it will freeze and you'll
get two or three meters of snow in winter. We
had friends who were living just outside of Boston, for example,
and they would get two or three meters of snow

(01:01:49):
in the winter, and they probably had a basement, and
I'm sure the basement was designed to cope with that
in areas perhaps where I mean, you obviously wouldn't want
to do it in areas that are prone to flooding.
But I'm thinking where I live, we could easily do
a basement. So yeah, no, I really don't. It's a
mystery to me as well.

Speaker 7 (01:02:09):
Jerry, So just quickly, in Australia the same pattern basically
is the same as in New Zealand. Very I just
I don't understand why that would be as well.

Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
And the other thing that amuses me about it is that,
you know, for most of us, a serious issue is
because we're consumerists, right, we end up with a whole
lot of stuff, and so one of the great challenges
with most people's houses is where do I put all
my stuff? So why wouldn't you do a basement? You know?
If you had, let's say, a house with a floor
plan of one hundred and fifty square meters, right, single

(01:02:44):
story dwelling one hundred and fifty square meters, and you
had a sixty square meter basement down below that you
could use for storage, that would be amazing.

Speaker 7 (01:02:54):
All right, Peter, I'll just don't know. On a humorous note,
I used to enjoy I used to enjoy listening to
the song Clap for the wolf Man. So no, no,
I'm clapping for wolf camp man.

Speaker 4 (01:03:09):
I'm going to look that up. I've never heard of it,
Clap for the wolf Man. Alrighty, that could be my
new intro song. You might have started something, Jerry. I
really appreciate your time. You have a great day. Take
care by I mean, this is the great thing about traveling,
I guess, and the great thing about being able to

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move around is to see how other people build as well.
And for those of you who might have been anywhere
in Europe almost but I can remember going to my
aunt Ince to her house, and it was a relatively
compact house, as many Dutch houses are stand alone, so
small plot of land, relatively small house, too storied, and

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then just underneath the stairs was another little set of
stairs that went down to the calder. There's probably only
four meters square something like that, but that's where you
store vegetables, produce extra food, a little bits and pieces.
I often do wonder why we don't do basements as
in sellars when we're constructing in New Zealand, partly for

(01:04:13):
storage and partly for well all ways for storage utilities
as well. Imagine if you could put your heating system
somewhere that's accessible, or your ventilation system, or your hot
water system, even your distribution board, all of these sorts
of things in an area that you could readily get
access to anyway. It's an interesting thought. Oh eight one

(01:04:37):
hundred and eighty, ten eighty, we'll take a short break.
We'll be back with more of your calls and just
your news storks. The'd be and it's a great pleasure
to welcome back to the program our painting expert Bryce
McDermott from Razine. Good morning, Bryce.

Speaker 7 (01:04:49):
Good morning, How are you very well, very very.

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
Well and quite excited to be fair to watch that
or to hear the Olympic coverage. So it's been a
golden kind of day at the Olympics for New Zealand.

Speaker 6 (01:05:01):
It's just a pity that the Albis couldn't.

Speaker 4 (01:05:06):
I didn't well, I wasn't going to mention it either, right, hey, look,
I tell you what can we start with? And it
was one of our first callers today, Dave, who is
has has bought a new build and is a bit
disappointed by some of the standard of the finishing inside.
And one of the things he commented on was paint work.

(01:05:27):
And I said to him, look, you've got to understand
there is a guide to tolerances. Right, So in terms
of like you would often I would imagine in your
professional role get called out to jobs where someone goes,
I don't think the painter has done a good job,
or I don't think the paint is any good, or
something like that. So what's the actual kind of official

(01:05:48):
tolerance guide Where can people find that? If you know,
someone calls you and says, look, i've had this painter
and I don't think it's very good, come and have
a look at it. What criteria do you use and
what criteria are there for judging the quality of paint work?

Speaker 6 (01:06:05):
Well to take off the you know, the the actual
paint itself, it's not really you know, paint issue is
so it's a normally issue. Yeah, So you know, I
generally refer people back to the master Painters on their website.
There is a level of inspection information that you can

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you can actually use to have a look, but it
just tells you, you know, how to basically inspect a
paint surface and things like that, like if you're looking
at a wall, for instance, you stand a meter back
and have a look and see if there's any glaring
defects or anything like that. Yeah, you know, not stand

(01:06:49):
like two or three inches away from the surface or
lie down on the floor look at the skooting and
stuff like that. So I would generally refer people back
to that in the first instance, basically because you know,
it's the painter is only as good as the man
who is putting it on. And I say that was
the greatest of care.

Speaker 4 (01:07:11):
So there is a reasonableness, isn't there? And you're right,
and I'm sure we've all encountered the gross respect clients
that go, hey, look here I am, I'm standing ten
centimeters away from the surface and I've noticed that there's
an imperfection in the paint work. And you go, well,
hang on, that's not a reasonable standard. So there is
there's a guide to tolerances, okay, and that's interesting. You

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mentioned master painters, So for someone who's concerned about the
quality of their work, they could go to that and
use some of that documentation as a guide, I guess,
or as a reference.

Speaker 6 (01:07:43):
Yep. Yeah, it's just keeping it neutral in the first place,
and everybody knows where they stand.

Speaker 4 (01:07:48):
Well, that's good. So we had a text along similar line.
So that's good that we've covered that off, right. Yah,
let's rip into a couple of text for you, Bryce. Hey, Pete,
I've got some damp wooden treated fence palings that I
want to paint. How dry do they have to do
they have to be before I can paint them?

Speaker 6 (01:08:05):
From Well, they're generally full of treatment as well, right,
because because they come If you look at the way
palings are delivered, they're bundled up on a pallet and
strapped in big bundles, so they don't really get to
get a chance to dry. So you know, nail them
all up, stick them on the fence, and you know,

(01:08:26):
give it a week or two. I don't think that
that would be unreasonable. It just depends on the amount
of moisture and the timber, okay, and the treatment itself,
you know, just just let the wind and stuff like
that get to it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:40):
Certainly, don't be putting them up and painting them the
next day.

Speaker 6 (01:08:44):
No, just just give them, just give them a chance
to sort of, you know, because if they're in the
middle of the palette or the stack of timber, they
can actually be quite moldy as well, depending on the
time of storage.

Speaker 4 (01:08:55):
Right right now, this is an interesting one. Greetings. I've
recently purchased a house which is clad and batten and
boored macrocarpa. It's approximate twenty five years old. It's in
good condition. It was water blasted prior to sail, so
it's a golden color. Should I stain it with something
or let it gray off again? From Paul?

Speaker 6 (01:09:18):
Wow, well, yeah, it can be stained. I would look
at something in our Woodsmen range the Woodsmen stains, remembering
of course that you know, once you stained something, you
know you will be looking at you know, every two years,
you'll be you know, doing some maintenance coats as well. Yes,

(01:09:39):
generally up to the individual taste as to how you
want the timber to look, you know, if it grays
off nicely. Some people like that.

Speaker 4 (01:09:45):
Look, I'm slightly amazed that at twenty five year old
macrocarpa that's been left untreated, let's say, has lasted as well.
I mean, it's fantastic that it has. I would certainly
recommend putting some sort of treatment over and the thought
of somebody water blasting beer timber if they haven't done it, well, gosh,

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that's a recipe for disaster as well.

Speaker 6 (01:10:08):
Right, it has to be done very very I built
a retaining wall once out of macrocarpa, simply because it's
the person I was building the retaining wall for didn't
want treated timber, and macrocarpa does the job.

Speaker 4 (01:10:25):
Yes. Funnily enough, I was tidying up around a raised
vegetable garden that I built four years ago yesterday, and
I did that in macrocarp for sleepers. I mean, look,
it's still in great condition. It's weathered off, but that's
exactly what I thought. But it's also you know, six
by four sleepers, so it's going to take a while
for that to decay.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
Right heah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:46):
Another quick question, Hi there, I've got an aluminium garage
door to paint that's very worn it's hard to find
the right description, but you know how aluminium can go
after the standing. What primate do I need? This is
from Vaughn so an old existing aluminium door that they
want to repaintmde Gart door nice garage, Doore aluminium garage.

Speaker 6 (01:11:08):
Yeah, I presume there's no coating left on it. If
that's the case, yep, I would you know, obviously clean
down the door, don't stand it too much, but you know,
get it, you know, stand and ready for coating and
then put a full coat of what we call armor
x GP primer yep, which is like a very very
sick and good multi purpose primer and it text like

(01:11:31):
anything to elimn and then you can, you know, you
can put an acrylic coating like Summit roof over the
top of it, or you could even use an amcrel
or something like that, you know, the water worning ammel,
depending on the gloss level that you want.

Speaker 4 (01:11:47):
Excellent. Okay, So, and what was that armor.

Speaker 6 (01:11:49):
Tex armor x GP primer.

Speaker 4 (01:11:53):
It's GP primer. I'm writing that down. I've got a
job for that too. Awesome as always, thank you. Well
we'll move on because we've got more Olympic coverage as well. Bryce,
thank you again for your advice and for anyone who's
got painting questions, go and see the team in the
Razine Color Shop and they will give you all of
that expert advice and great product. Thanks very much, Bryce,

(01:12:14):
have a good day, Take care, all the best, bobbe
your News Talks c B will take more of your calls.
Building issues, building questions, building topics. We're talking all things
building in construction this morning on the program, while keeping
an eye I on the Olympics, and we're hoping to
go to the gold medal ceremony for Hamish Kerr, who
leapt an impressive two point three six meters. He cleared that,

(01:12:38):
but he actually won the gold medal by jumping two
point three to four meters, so that's quite impressive. Right,
we'll take short break. We'll come back with more of
your calls. Tanya, it will be with you in just
a moment. Your News Talks the b and keen to
get underway again.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
A couple of.

Speaker 4 (01:12:52):
Interesting texts with regard to Jerry's comments about his sort
of bewilderment as to why we don't do basements and
when I say basements, I'm not talking about sort of
kind of accidental basements that are not uncommon here. Let's
say you've got a nineteen seventies house and it might
have a garage at the bottom and then the houses
on top that sort of thing. This is kind of

(01:13:14):
more deliberate I American style basements. A couple of texts
have come in around that foundations have to be set
below the permafrost depth level. That's the reason for the
basements in the USA and Canada. I appreciate that. Hey, Pete,
my family and Wellington here in New Zealand have a basement.
In a family in Auckland also a large basement, quite large,

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cool and great for storage. And then again in cooler countries,
in cooler climates the boilers. They need to put the
boilers somewhere, and that's where piping would freeze if it
was in an open underfloor area, so hence the basement.
So there is a practical climatic reason for having them.
But I would have thought, and I had this discussion

(01:13:57):
with some architectural designers and architects a little while ago.
Around most of us have just got a lot of stuff,
and yet when we're building, we don't think of places
to put stuff. I think about all the new builds
that you see, hardly any of them actually use the
garage for a car, and so the car is en
up out on the road and the garage is full

(01:14:19):
of stuff. And I'm exactly the same at my place
and got a garage. It's never seen a car inside it.
Maybe basements, if you've done a basement, let us know.
Send me a text nine nine two D be right.
Oh Toya, very good morning to you. How are you?
Thanks for wedding.

Speaker 13 (01:14:42):
Just a quick question. We're looking at our comar to
a housing yep, and yesterday we went to build Built
Smart transportable building.

Speaker 14 (01:14:53):
Now I just had a look at their brochure.

Speaker 13 (01:14:56):
Does the builders come under Master Builders Associations? What transportable
homes come under?

Speaker 4 (01:15:06):
Oh? I see what you're saying. Yeah, I'm not sure
that any of the off site manufacturers sort of transportable homes,
tiny homes, And there's no reason that they wouldn't be
part of Master Builders. You know, in the end, Master
Builders is sentially a subscription service, right, so you have

(01:15:29):
to prove some competency and then you can join. So
there would be no reason that an off site manufacturer
doing tiny homes couldn't be part of Master Builders, but
I don't know if many of them are so. Ye,
what you're sort of saying is, is there an association
like a tiny homes manufacturers association that has a membership

(01:15:55):
and that in order to become a member you have
to prove a certain level of competency or experience or
something like that. I don't know that there is. Certainly
the variation in the quality of tiny homes constructors is vast,

(01:16:15):
would be the most kind and polite way of putting its. Great. Yeah,
interesting you mentioned it because I've been chatting with some
guys up in the Far North at panel Lock Homes
and they're doing housing, so they do housing in their
factory which is then transportable. But these are not tiny homes.

(01:16:38):
These are you know, houses of seventy eighty square meters
right that are being done with off site manufacturing and
using like the J and L product, which is the
triboard for the actual construction of the houses, and then
being moved on to I guess ewe Land And maybe

(01:16:58):
some of that will be for Commarta, some might just
be for general far Now living and that sort of thing.
But it's it's a fascinating place. And I actually I
was at a presentation the other day that this was
raised as well, and in fact I went past the
development this big why prayer of trust? I think are
doing a big development out near Middlemoor Hospital and part

(01:17:20):
of that will be commard to a housing So it's
it's an interesting new description of housing.

Speaker 13 (01:17:27):
M So you know only they've got it are with
a circle around it?

Speaker 14 (01:17:35):
Does that mean registered? What does that actually want?

Speaker 4 (01:17:38):
Are with a circle around it around it?

Speaker 13 (01:17:40):
Yeah, it's built smart. Then it's got this little R
with a circle around it. It doesn't say in their
broch and what it actually means it and I thought
it must mean register. But register would I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:17:56):
In the end, if you were going to go to
this company or any other company and the work is
going to be consented, which I presume you probably would do,
then that because building work that's consented is restricted building work,
which means that it can only be done or supervised
by a licensed building practitioner. So at least you'll have

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that surety around the work being done by an LBP,
which means you'll also get a record of works. And
because it's consented you'll also get a code compliance certificate
at the end of the project. So I think if
you've got all of those things together, you can be
reasonably confident about the quality of the work.

Speaker 13 (01:18:38):
Okay, yeah, that sounds that sounds good.

Speaker 4 (01:18:42):
Sounds like an exciting project, it idea. Yeah, nice to
chat with you, Yes, okay, all the very best youa
take care, beautiful call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
If you've got a question of a building, nature will
take your calls. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Will

(01:19:02):
take a short break, will be back with Jen in
just a moment. We will be crossing live to Paris
for the gold medal awarding, the ceremony with Hamish Cure
after his called middle leap in the high jump, So
they'll be coming up shortly. Hey Jin, good morning to you.

Speaker 14 (01:19:19):
Good morning, good morning, good morning. Hello. Yes, yes, well
I actually grew up in Britain during the Blitz and
we were we were digging underneath, you know, to keep safe.
But here in New Zealand, this is where the danger
is for earthquakes. So don't you think that the reason

(01:19:43):
which we are not finding too many basements in New
Zealand is because of the risk of earthquakes.

Speaker 4 (01:19:51):
Look, it's it's a fair comment to make, and certainly
I can appreciate that. Yeah, there would have been a
usefulness to them back at in those times in terms
of the blitz. Again, like, if you were to do
a basement and it's concrete and it's reinforced and it's

(01:20:12):
underneath the house, I would have thought that you'd actually
be reasonably safe in that during an earthquake. I'm not
sure that that is earthquake, you know. I mean, obviously
we do have a higher risk of seismic activity in
large parts of New Zealand, and so maybe that is
an issue. But I would have thought that that could

(01:20:33):
be designed for as well. If people did insist on
having a basement, it could be achievable.

Speaker 14 (01:20:40):
But the uncertainty is there. Yeah, if you put a
lot of money into a building and then if it's
suddenly you get an earthquake, which is unpredictable in every way.
If you're in, if you're on that, whatever, the thought like,
then well you would you would like to risk all

(01:21:02):
the money on that, would you know?

Speaker 4 (01:21:03):
But then I'm thinking about that, thinking, well, then you know,
the greater risk would be that we've got lots, you know,
increasingly in terms of our residential housing, a lot of
the sort of info and development stuff is now going
to three stories. So I would have thought that our
three story building has a greater risk of let's say,

(01:21:23):
harm when it comes to a seismic event than a basement,
you know what I mean that if we can design
for that, and if you look at the amount of
bracing that goes into a new build these days, certainly
the intention is that they stay up long enough for
people to escape safely. That's the whole intent of the
seismic engineering of them. But that would be a greater risk.

Speaker 14 (01:21:51):
But I'm completely thinking about abasement. Sure, if you want
to in New Zealand, it's a different schedule fish than
the other side of the world. Mainly anyway, Anyway, that
was just not point because having having experienced the other
that you dive underneath society. Indeed, I've many times dived

(01:22:16):
under a table and got the worse end of the stick.

Speaker 6 (01:22:19):
See we've only got a minute.

Speaker 4 (01:22:21):
But Jenna, is it still something that you you obviously
still think about those times and I'm guessing you, I mean,
both my parents lived through the Second World War and
you know, I know kind of what age they are
and memory fades, but this is obviously something that's still
front of mind for you though, that experience of surviving

(01:22:43):
that time. And were you in London or where were
you during the blitz?

Speaker 14 (01:22:48):
I was in Birmingham, in Birmingham which was heavily bomb
they bombed the spit fire effect.

Speaker 4 (01:22:53):
Yes, yes, ah.

Speaker 14 (01:22:58):
Anyway, it was just a point.

Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
Yeah, no, it's it's.

Speaker 4 (01:23:02):
A it's a great point. Really appreciate it. Lovely to
chat with you, Jen, Thank you all right, all the
best to you by by then. Remarkable memories. Ah, yes,
so that the small so earlier call it Toya was
talking about a company that they were looking at doing
some tiny homes or transportables. Actually I've had a look

(01:23:23):
on their website. It's more about transportables.

Speaker 9 (01:23:26):
You can.

Speaker 4 (01:23:28):
Here's a thought, and I've had a number of discussions
during the week with people around Submissions are open at
the moment for people to invite comment. In fact, I
think it closes tomorrow around the idea of being able
to build to sixty square meters without necessarily requiring a
building consent, and this has been put forward by the

(01:23:50):
government as a way of increasing supply and affordability right
and removing some of the red tape that tends to
either add cost and certainly adds time to these sorts
of builds. And I do wonder whether the way forward
will be that companies that are already have processes and
systems in place for off site manufacture of buildings, we'll

(01:24:11):
be able to continue to do those buildings, but may
not necessarily need to go through the consenting process. That
would seem to me to be a relatively straightforward process
at the moment. One of the things that's been considered
is that a trusted professional, which I presume might be
an LBP or a registered engineer, would have involvement in

(01:24:32):
the process and be able to build. But there's still
some fish shocks in that in terms of ensuring compliance,
ensuring that standards remain high, that buildings are fit for purpose,
if we go into it without having the need for
a consent. Right, we are going to go to Paris
and catch up with the gold medal ceremony. I'm just

(01:24:55):
keeping an eye on the gold medal ceremony so when
that comes up. This is Hamish Kerr, who left an
impressive two point three six meters during the competition, and
then because they both ended up McEwen from the USA
was the other jumper. They both got to two point
three six, but then they were equal and so they

(01:25:17):
raised the bar. They both failed. Then they put it
to two point three six, which they both achieved. Then
they couldn't jump that. Then they dropped it to two
point three four, at which point Hamish Kerr let cleared
the bar. McEwen from the USA did not. Hence Hamish
Kurr is now the Olympic gold medalist in the high jump.

(01:25:38):
So we will cross live and catch up with that.
Just before the break, we were also talking with Toya
about the build Smart which happens to be a transportable
buildings company, and so she said, oh, what about the
little R. So the R, of course is just it's
a registered trademark. So they've gone out and registered the
name build Smart good on them, which gives them the

(01:25:59):
right to use it and means that other people can't.
Just with regard to that and submissions like I mentioned
Klose tomorrow, I understand this is discussion documents around the
government's proposal to allow buildings of up to sixty square meter,
so granny flats to be built without necessarily requiring a
building consent, How will that be managed, how we ensure quality,

(01:26:24):
all sorts of groups. I know Hamish Firth, who's a
planner who's been part of this program from time to time.
They've made submissions on it. I was talking to the
head of the New Zealand Institute of Building Surveys actually
during the week as well. They are going to put
in a submission as well with suggestions. So all of
this is up for grabs, and I think there's even

(01:26:45):
there's submissions going in around things like rolling back the
H one changes as well, that relates to insulation and
energy efficiency in our building. So lots and lots of discussion,
lots and lots of politics around it. But I do
wonder whether if we are going to move to a
space where, let's say, if you've got the land and
if you've got the distance from the boundaries and so on,

(01:27:07):
that you could build a sixty square meter granny flat
without necessarily requiring it consent, whether the simplest pathway is
to have most of those buildings being built by off
site manufacturers who already have processes. And I suppose a

(01:27:27):
compliance pathway as part of their build process. It's not
a because they're doing them one after the other after
the other after the other. They're not having to rethink it.
And I'm thinking about the practicality. If someone said to me,
could you come and build a sixty square meter granny
flat for me? I want it to be you know,
this long and this high, and you know a trust

(01:27:49):
roof and all the rest of it. Could I do
that without a set of plans? Maybe? But only just
I mean typically we rely on plans to give some
guidance around details. You know, where would I go to
find out the span tables and the choice set out?
And how do I calculate my insulation standards to ensure

(01:28:09):
that it's compliant. Because even if something doesn't require a
building consent, it still needs to be compliant with the
building code. So in my thinking, it would be a
real straightforward pathway to go. Hey, look, if we're going
to offsite manufacturers who are doing these buildings day in
and day out, they've already got all of their processes
in place in terms of insuring compliance with the code.

(01:28:32):
They can monitor their standards, they know that the building's
fit for purpose, maybe that's where they are the first
ones that are allowed to go. Yep, we can not
necessarily get a building consent for this work, and we
know that it's going to be to code. That's a
thought anyway. You may have your own thoughts on that

(01:28:52):
as well. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. We'll take
calls again after news, sport and weather, and we'll take
calls after the metal ceremony which we're waiting for. So
if you're thinking, criky, hey you've missed the news, guys,
you're right. We have missed the news, but don't worry.
We will come to the news. But we do want
to go live to Paris for the gold medal ceremony
with Hamish cur The other topic, and I may have

(01:29:15):
to dash from this, but I'll get started on it.
I mentioned last week that I'd had a very in
depth and fruitful discussion with someone who's an expert in ventilation,
and in fact, after that I then needed to call
on her expertise. Where the classic situation with a building,
nineteen sixties building, it's a rental property, it's healthy homes

(01:29:38):
compliant in the sense that it's got extraction in the bathroom,
it's got extraction in the kitchen area, it's got a
fixed form of heating that will heat the living areas,
it's got insulation in the ceiling, it's got insulation in
the underfloor, and it's got mold. And I'm going, so,
how is it that a building with all of those
things still ends up having, in the middle of winter
a persistent issue with mold. So I've given a storm

(01:30:02):
who will come on this show in a couple of
weeks time, those details, and then asked her to sort
of do an analysis of what's going on in the building.
And I'm happy to share that with you when she
joins us on the program as well. So that whole
thing's actually this is another interesting thing with where building's
at at the moment. There is now the beginning of
a I suppose an industry inclusive lobby group, let's say,

(01:30:27):
around ventilation. There's been so many stories over the last
couple of months where people are going, oh, look, we're
putting too much insulation into our houses. That's why they're overheating,
which is untrue, unscientific, and untrue. Right, houses don't overheat
because you put insulation in them. They overheat because they're
poorly designed, they overheat because they've got a lack of ventilation.

(01:30:50):
That's what causes overheating. It's not insulation does not cause overheating,
might contribute theoretically because no, actually no, leave that alone.
So ventilations are pretty key issue, particularly and I was
wondering on a new build the other day that had
rigid air barrier, had good quality, really good quality joinery,

(01:31:13):
it had had air cells around all of the joinery,
rigid air barrier, good quality joinery, high spec double glazing
in it. That building's going to be not quite air type,
but you know, getting closer and closer towards being considerably
more air tight than buildings would have been in the past.
So ventilation will become an even bigger issue for those

(01:31:36):
sorts of buildings. So anyway, the ventilation I think it's
collab will will be a sort of cross industry body
that will promote better ventilation in our buildings, which I
think will be exciting as well. O WA eight one
hundred and eighty ten eighty, like I say, will be
the number to call. We'll have time for some of
your calls after new sport and weather. But as I said,

(01:31:59):
we are going to go to Paris for the Olympic
gold medal ceremony. This is Hamish cur in the high jump.
Once we finish news, Sport and Weather, I'm also going
to spend a bit of time chatting with Amanda Stains
from the Keystone Trust. I was introduced to them at
a conference a couple of months ago. They are a
trust that provides scholarship and mentoring to young people to

(01:32:25):
give them a bit of a hand up to get
involved in the property and construction industry. It's not really
like apprenticeships, but it will support people in that It's
one of those things that in many cases there may
well be students who don't have much money that it
may not have the family support or the industry connections,
and then getting into property or construction might be a

(01:32:48):
little bit difficult how to get a terret tertiary education
carve out of career. So we're talking with Amanda Stains
from the Keystone Trust after the break as well. Here
we go to Paris for the gold medal ceremony.

Speaker 3 (01:33:03):
Direct moment.

Speaker 11 (01:33:06):
An Olympic high jump medal ceremony featuring a kiwi. The
ninth time we're going to hear the New Zealand national
anthem at these Olympic Games. Never before have there been
that many to enjoy. And hamous Kerr and the most
dramatic of circumstances, still struggling to comprehend what we saw

(01:33:28):
an hour or so ago when he won a jump
off against Shelby McEwen to win gold silver in London
and rio gold shared in Tokyo. And now a bronze
medal for Mutaza Bashima of Kata, the broad smile for

(01:33:56):
Bashem Watt, an ambassador he's been for high jump for
Olympic Games. Four Olympic medals for Muta's Eser Bashim checks

(01:34:17):
the medal out. We've got a couple of these, he says,
different colors. Here is the American Shelby McEwan, a surprise
silver medallist. I think for many people, there weren't too
many tousing his credentials before this competition. But here he
is a silver medalist, a PB today of two thirty six,

(01:34:40):
in second place in the highjup competition. But here's your moment,
New Zealand, your moment.

Speaker 3 (01:34:54):
Hamish Kur medalists the words I'm sure he's dreamed of hearing.

Speaker 11 (01:35:23):
Gold medalist and Olympic champion everything his heart desired. Hamosh
cur on the top step of the podium with a
glittering gold medal around his neck and never as a
high jump gold medal being one and more dramatic fashion

(01:35:45):
than Hamish Curves at Paris twenty twenty four, closes his eyes,
a deep breath and prepares for the national anthem of
New Zealand.

Speaker 12 (01:35:55):
If you can stand of New Zealand.

Speaker 11 (01:37:03):
Ghost bumps for breakfast on your Sunday morning and a
stirring rendition of New Zealand's national anthem Carrington and Co
and Kerr can you believe that? And the three medalists
now on the top step together, medals in mouths. The

(01:37:27):
traditional bite on that most precious of metal and most
precious of all is the one worn by Hamish Kerr
of New Zealand, Gold medalist, Olympic champion.

Speaker 4 (01:37:43):
Your news talk ZIB, Let's go to news. Well, it's
been an exciting morning given that we've been able to
cross life to Paris for the gold medal ceremony with
Hamish Kerr. Of course, overnight Lisa Carrington and Lydia Coe
both achieving gold medals as well. So it's it has
it's been a fantastic sporting event. We won't mention the

(01:38:04):
all blacks perhaps, And I got that because I've just
texted Amanda, who is our next guest on the program,
and she raised that. So I'm going to blame you,
Amanda for raising the all blacks at the stage. Amanda,
are very very good morning and welcome to the program.

Speaker 15 (01:38:19):
Good morning. Oh that is so mean. Now I'm going
to have the entire nation not at all.

Speaker 4 (01:38:25):
Not at all, Amanda.

Speaker 3 (01:38:27):
I was at.

Speaker 4 (01:38:30):
A construction event a little while ago, and a couple
of young people got up to talk about their experience
of entering into the construction sector and carving a career
and something that perhaps in a sector that they'd not
been introduced to through their families or family connections. And
then the reason that they were there is because they
were supported by the Keystone Trust. So tell us about

(01:38:53):
the trust and your role with the trust and what
does the Keystone Trust do for young people?

Speaker 15 (01:39:00):
Thank you, that's really generous for you to ask. Keystone
Trust established thirty years ago. We're having our birth day
this year in October, which is really really quite special.
So this all goes back to a gentleman called Graham
Briggins who was a property developer in Wellington. However, he
began his life as a young lad in Timaru. Parents

(01:39:20):
were two Salvation Army officers and so for him, unfortunately
going on to tertiary education was not part of the plan,
but he really really wanted to. However, he found his
way into property, started off life as a car park
attendant actually, and by the time of his very untimely
death in nineteen ninety four of February, he had two

(01:39:44):
property development companies listed on the New Zealand Stock Exchange.
His widow Binti, and a couple of his colleagues and
friends decided that that was not going to be the
be all and end all of Graham's life, so February
he passed away. By October they had set up the

(01:40:04):
Graham Brigands Property Truck and in nineteen ninety five they
offered their first two scholarships for tertiary education to two
students from Fongerdae. Today, thirty years on, three hundred and
four scholarships later, we are currently with sixty students all

(01:40:25):
around the motives and we have sixty four incredible industry
sponsors who support these students, so first I can work
out my only in my research. We are the only
trust that is set up to provide scholarships to young
people with financial and circumstantial issues. You know, life comes
with all sorts of baggage at times. But who have

(01:40:47):
an absoute passion for property and construction and one to
study at a tertiary level. So we provide them with
a three year scholarship. It's about sixteen and a half
thousand dollars. And talk to any of our alumni and
may us go, that's amazing, But I think what they
say on top of that is an experienced mentor. We

(01:41:09):
train the mentors from those sixty four sponsor companies to
support our year two students. You can imagine the network
that they walk into. You know, they've got companies and
theirs which just follow them for the rest of their lives.
Well being support because we have a student liaison manager
who now works with us and helps our students in

(01:41:31):
terms of just how do you manage a time? How
do you get things organized? Because life gets in the way.
But it's those industry connections, it's the internship opportunities they
really kick start their careers and then we help them
into their first job. You know, we're now coming into
that point for our final year students that we assist
them into employment, which is really tough because properly and

(01:41:54):
construction sectors feeling a little bit, you know, a bit
fragile at the moment. But it takes the fact that
our students come along with a gold seal. You know,
our students and our alumni of which there are now
over two hundred around the country and internationally. They like
working for our sponsors because they're all part of the family.

(01:42:17):
It's all being they knew that these companies and these
people had their back while they were a student, and
now it's their turn to turn around and support them
and be their amazing employee. Our students learn what the
sector means because when you go to UNI as you
can appreciate or to a tertiary provider, you learn your
respective node and discipline. But when you get out into

(01:42:41):
the business world, you have to understand everybody else's business.
You need to be understand what makes their business tick
and what they need to get out of a project.
So for us, we're able to introduce a student who
might be studying engineering to someone who's doing surveying, to
someone who's doing construction management, someone who's the architect, someone
who's the construction company. So they can actually go, ah,

(01:43:05):
so if I'm working with a quantity surveyor, this is
what their role is. This is what they need to
get out of this project to make it a success
for the project and also for them in their company.
So if you can actually have a much more collaborative relationship,
you go to have a much more relaxed conversation when
they get a little bit tetchy because you know, they
do a little bit when it comes to construction projects.

Speaker 4 (01:43:27):
Yeah, it can be a but combative can't It sometimes can.

Speaker 15 (01:43:30):
Be, which is why what is amazing is we have
got some incredible legal sponsors. In fact, one which has
been with us for thirty years is Bell Gully and
they have been promoting us and working with us as
a pro bono sponsor since nineteen ninety four. Bailey's have
been with us since nineteen ninety four, Stride Property in

(01:43:56):
the various guises now Stride with us after thirty years.
That I think just goes to show how they believe
in the coppopper of this trust and they believe in
our students and they love being part of their success, and.

Speaker 4 (01:44:13):
I understand that at the moment, applications for scholarships are open.
So who's eligible and how do you apply? I'm just
thinking about people listening to the show who might have
a nephew or a niece, or their own children or
a grandchild or family friend who has perhaps shown that
interest in the construction and property sector, but maybe has

(01:44:35):
grown up in an environment where that's not what is
talked about at the dinner table and so on. Wants
to get there, but doesn't quite have the means to
get there. So how do people apply?

Speaker 9 (01:44:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:44:46):
Yeah, we find from the vast majority of our students
they've talked with somebody, maybe it's the careers advisor, maybe
somebody in their family who's gone, what do you think
about this, and they've explored it and seen that has
been a credible opportunity. So yes, we are currently taking
applications to the first of all s Timber for our

(01:45:07):
school leaver scholarships. Applications need to They'll be online through
our website dub dub dub dot Keystone Trust dot org
dot MZ.

Speaker 4 (01:45:19):
To be Keystone Trust dot org dot NZ Perfect please
thank you.

Speaker 15 (01:45:23):
Yes, New Zealand citizen or a permanent resident facing financial challenges,
difficult circumstances. As I say, often those two things come together.
Minimum of university entrants. You need to be able to
prove to us that you can study at a tertiary level.
You need really good written and verbal communication skills because
as we all know, in this industry, it's all about communication.

(01:45:46):
You've got to be able to engage with people, be
able to talk what's happening to you. You need to
have the intention of enrolling at a university for next
year in a property or construction related degree yep. And
you need tertiary focused and a passion real passions, be
chosen course in future career. You talk with people, go

(01:46:08):
and get some information because all of that needs to
go into your application form so that we can get
a sense of who you are and then we will
be able to have a much more informed conversation with
you if you get to the application stage. So we
are offering this year thirteen Study Awards, which is for

(01:46:29):
school leaders, and we also have the C three School
Leaver Scholarship which is for a school leader who is
studying at either aut massive or unit Tech for a
degree in construction.

Speaker 4 (01:46:43):
Fantastic. I'd encourage people to go to the website, and
also I have to say I'm delighted to having a
look through some of the people that support you and
the companies that support you, to recognize some names of
people that I work with and have worked with. So
that's fantastic. But it's a great and inspirational website. If
you want to help out, you can, and if you
know someone who might fit the criteria, then go to

(01:47:06):
Keystone Trust dot org dot NZ and go from their Amanda,
thank you so much for your time this morning.

Speaker 15 (01:47:13):
Oh thank you my pleasure to talk with you. Lovely
at don't trust.

Speaker 4 (01:47:16):
All the very best. Take care by a good.

Speaker 15 (01:47:22):
Zib right yo.

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Speaker 9 (01:48:25):
Zed by.

Speaker 4 (01:48:27):
Your news talk Sai'd be just about time to jump
into the garden with a red kline past again. If
you were tuned in listening with my conversation with Amanda,
have a look at the Keystone Trust. Like I said,
I was introduced to them only a couple of months
ago by some of the people who had gone through
their program and were now involved in the early stages

(01:48:49):
of a career in building surveying. So it's construction and property,
but the fact that they get that wrap around support
as well. It's the mentoring, it's the internship and yes,
it's the money for the scholarships as well. It is remarkable.
So if you know a young person who might fit
those criteria and it's you know, the standards. You have

(01:49:11):
to achieve a certain standard in order to apply for this.
But it is open to people who would typically not
get an opportunity to do tertiary education in the construction
and property field. So have a look at it. It
is Keystone Trust dot org dot z And as I
mentioned to Amanda, if you scroll through and see the
groups that support them, I'd encourage you to support the

(01:49:32):
groups that support them as well. I think they do
a fantastic job. And it's thirty years you know, this
is not this is not new and they've done is
it over three hundred scholarships so far, which is fantastic radio.
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Speaker 1 (01:49:55):
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