The Resident Builder podcast: November 10, 2024

This week on the show, ZB's Resident Builder Pete Wolfkamp discusses the latest issues impacting the world of construction - and answers questions!

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Resident build Up podcast with Peter
wolf Camp from News Talks at Bay.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
The house is a hole even when it's dark, even
when the grass is overgrown in the yard, even when
a dog.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Is too old to bar, and.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
When you're sitting at the table trying not to start
scissor home, even when we are band gone, even when
you're there alone. A house is a hole, even when

(01:00):
those goes, even when you got around from the world.
You love your moves, scream broken plans, being in funder locals,
vestball when they're gone, leaving the cars, even when weilravan long,

(01:23):
even when you're there.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Alone, And a very good morning to you. It is
a beautiful Sunday morning. Actually, it was a gorgeous sunrise
as I headed across the Harbor Bridge this morning on
my way into the city and caught a glimpse of

(01:45):
the sun rising through the Putakaoa trees alongside the beach
not far from where we live. Stunning, stunning day. So
hopefully it's going to be a beautiful day. I know
that it has been terrible, terrible weather in parts of
the South Island and reports of severe damage to the
motorway network and pictures of cars floating down rivers down

(02:08):
in the South Island as well, so a day of
some contrast. Anyway, good morning, welcome along to the show.
My name's Pete wolf Camp, the resident Builder, and this
is the Resident Builder on Sunday, an opportunity to talk
all things building and construction. And when you start to
look at building and construction, you recognize, I guess the
sheer scale and scope of it in terms of how

(02:30):
it intersects with our own lives, that there was a
job that I suddenly something changed at our place yesterday.
There's a gap in the fence, right, I've got to
fix that. That goes on to another list of things
that I've got to do. So that's one part of
it I was at. Actually I had the opportunity and
very kindly invited along to the Apprentice of the Year.

(02:51):
This is the Carpentry Apprentice of the Year, sponsored by
Master Builders, sponsored by Carts and undoubtedly a few others,
and I went out and had to look at the
practical part of it. This is where the top nine
apprentices from around the country who have won their regional
events then compete in a practical challenge. I'll tell you
a bit more about that later on. And then on

(03:12):
Friday night at Agala in the city, a formal dinner
were awarded or the Apprentice of the Year was awarded,
and you know, so apprenticeships, training, that's all part of
the construction sector. And then actually I was just tuning
in and getting things set up here and I've just
looked at this headline why a builder called the cops

(03:32):
on a couple that had just built a house for
so maybe disputes and debate and discussion around how good
the work is. That's all part of construction as well.
So at intersects. I think buildings intersects without our lives
all of the time. So if you've got a question
about a maintenance project, a question about a new build,
a question about regulations, which is a big part of

(03:55):
what we often talk about on the show, questions about
trades people, questions about sort of managing trades, people selecting
products and items constantly as well, then this is the
show for you. Looking forward to your calls, your conversation
this morning here at Newstalk SEB. A little bit later on,

(04:15):
and in fact, I bumped into Jay, our painting expert
from Razine at the Construct event which ran alongside or
the practical part of the Apprentice of the Year was
happening at the same time as the trade show Constructed
was happening on the North Shore on Thursday, so bumped
into both Ray to j and Bryce out to regular

(04:38):
Razine painting experts. If you've ever wondered what they look like.
There's a little photograph on my Facebook page of the
three of us on Thursday, so I'm the ugly one
in the corner. So Jay will be with us from
around seven twenty five. If you've got a painting question
that you'd like a specific answer to, then give me
a specific question and I'll put it to Jay, our

(05:00):
painting expert at around seven to twenty five this morning.
As always we jump into the garden with roud Climb,
so if you've got a gardening or entomological question, d
will be available from eight point thirty this morning. And
to be fair, I'm not hanging around after the show,
not that it matters to you a jot, but I'm
going to shoot off from here. I've got some jobs

(05:21):
to do at the Saint Leo's Catholic Primary School Fair,
which is an annual event in Devenport and Auckland's north Shore.
The fair kicks off, by the way, I'll mentioned this
a couple of times to be fair. To be fair
about the fair at eleven o'clock this morning, so I
went and picked up a generator from high Pool that'll
run all the food stands. So I've got to go

(05:42):
and run out some extension cords and check a few things.
That'll be me for the rest of it. Well, for
a decent chunk of the day at the Saint Leo's
Catholic Primary School in Devenport on the Auckland north Shore,
eleven till three. Great food, can I say as well?
And the White Elephant Boy they collect some great stuff
in there as well. So there you go. That's my

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plug for the Saint Leo's School fair later on today.
If you're looking for something to do and you can
handle that road, it'd be lovely to see you there. Right,
let's get into it. What's on your mind? What either
troubles you, intrigues you keeps you awake at night, or
you're just generally curious about all things building and construction.
If you've got a question, i'd really I'll give it

(06:25):
a red hot crack at giving you a decent answer
on that. So eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. Hazel A very good morning to you.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
Good morning. I'm ashamed to say no maintenance has been
done on a dirty plus years and it's that's hardboard
that's made to look like timber with grain in it. Now,
my son in law is coming up to replace a

(06:59):
rotten Hopes board and he has to lift the where
the roof comes over the top of it to take
it off. He's going to clean the area before he
does it. Now, if he was to use water blasting,

(07:26):
that wouldn't be good.

Speaker 5 (07:27):
Good.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Let's just go back a step. So the weatherboard product
that you're talking about, is it's effectively like a hardboard
that was then no, no, it's.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
Like fiber light.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Yeah, okay, if it is a fiber cement sheet, then yeah,
you can use a water blaster. But really, what before
you do any exterior paint prep. What you well, the
paint prep you should be doing is essentially using proprietary
wash like a house washed product, applying that and rinsing
it off. And yes, you can use use the water

(08:06):
blast to add a distance to rinse it off. But
you know, water blasting houses two or three inches away
from the surface is certainly not recommended.

Speaker 6 (08:16):
Yes, what's that?

Speaker 3 (08:19):
And the condition of the The other thing is you
need to be a little bit gentle with older fiber
cement sheets because they do get a little bit brittle.
So that's another reason not to apply too much force
when you're cleaning or prepping them, because in some cases
you can get some breakages.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
Yes, there's mold growing on.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
Well again if you use something like well, we'll be
talking to j from Razine later on. They have a
house wash prep which will also deal with that mold
and all of that sort of organic material that builds up.
So apply that agitate lightly, let it sit there for
a little while, and then rinse it off, and then

(09:05):
that you'll with the organic material. You probably don't even
really need to give it a sand or if you did,
just a very light sand, I would actually suggest, and
I know we're straying into painting territory here a primer
and then two top coats.

Speaker 4 (09:19):
Is the houses underneath account wood tree. The tree has
over overhung the house, right, and that's why that area
when you get to the other end of the house
where the garret comes out, the budge board is in

(09:42):
good conditions and just needs painting. But where the tree
has ever hung the house, it's called when we water
thirty years ago. The previous zone is that had it
for two years, and the water drinking on the constant

(10:05):
the tree. He was actually banging on the roof when
we came. But the drive is between the tree and
the house. And so.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
I think too, Hazel, you know, I mean, I'm obviously
a big fan of suggesting that we need to do
regular maintenance, and there are huge advantages to doing it.
But I think also with some types of houses, and
yours sounds quite robust. It's I don't want to encourage this,
but it's amazing sometimes just how robust they are and

(10:41):
how resilient they are. And something like the fiber cment sheet,
for example, you know that will be probably a lot
more durable over time with little to no maintenance on
it than some other products. So you know, I don't
think you should feel too bad about it in the
sense that there's probably very little permanent damage done. But

(11:02):
if you can get up and replace the barge boards,
and I mean, look, I had some eyes that I
know working for someone the other day replacing a barge
board on a house, and that had been well maintained.
It's just that one happened to rot out other barge
boards around the house. So I wouldn't beat yourself up
too much, Hazel, I'm too.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
Old to do it. I used to do maintenance. We
had a holiday home and we painted. I painted the
roofs and did all that years ago that i'm too
old now to I have heard to go I'm not Yeah,
you don't.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Want to be up a ladder. No, look, Hazel, it's
great that someone's coming to help you. It's your family
that are coming to help out. I'm sure it'll be
absolutely fine. Just easy on the water blasting and it'll
be all good. Lovely to talk with you, Hazel, take
care it is. Let me see eighteen almost eighteen and

(12:02):
a half minutes after six. We've got a couple of
spare lines. We always get busy laid in the show,
so if you've got a question then call now, oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. You can text as
well any questions. Remember our painting expert j will be
along at around seven twenty five seven thirty this morning.
So if you've got any specific painting questions or you've
got some general building questions, text them through nine to

(12:24):
ninety two. If you'd like to email me, particularly with
things like pictures and so on, then it's Pete atnewstok
SB dot co dot n said quick text before we
go to the bait break building a deck? Are we
better off using random links or finger jointed quila? You've
caught me on the hot there alistair, I didn't realize
that you could buy finger jointed queller. I guess I

(12:47):
don't see why you shouldn't use it. I suppose the
advantages that it would come in a regular length, like
they'll all be four point eight or five point four
meters long, which case, if that's an advantage, that's great.
I mean, I don't think anyone really ever looks at
a deck and goes, oh, gosh, there's a join there.
Isn't that unfortunate. If they're neatly detailed, then it's great.

(13:10):
Although I tell you what, he's a little tip for you.
Make sure that if you do end up with random
lengths of timber and you're cutting them and then but
joining them together, take the thirty seconds it takes to
take a piece of sandpaper from your apron and just
give that edge a sand, just a light sand to
remove the last little bits of furry fiber that poke up.

(13:33):
I went and had to look at a job the
other day, I'm not going to say where it was
or whatever, and we were looking at sort of the
overall quality of it, et cetera, et cetera. And as
I wandered around, they just laid a brand new deck
actually just using pine decking, which is absolutely fine. And
they'd used straight runs of pine and then had it
trimmed with like effectively a face or a barge running

(13:54):
around the perimeter to hide the end grain, which is lovely,
but no one had taken the time just to take
a bit of sandpaper and just rub that little furry
bit off the edge of the cut. Looked at that
and thought that deck would look a lot better with
just that little little bit of attention to detail. So
there you go. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the

(14:15):
number to call. We'll take a short break, will take
your calls straight after the break. So call us now
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. You're with new SOKB. A
couple of quick texts as well, but love you call
so I eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number
to call? Sorry about that morning, Pete. We have an
MDF lacquered kitchen cabinetry. The door has a small has

(14:35):
some small swelling due to water. I'd like to repair
and relacquer the cupboard frontage. Do you have any suggestions
on the best approach to a repair for that? Look
One of the challenges with MDF typically, particularly older MDF,
So there's a new sort of variety of MDF which
has more resistance to moisture, and it's it's built into

(14:59):
the product at the time of manufacture, so it's not
like standard, the old fashioned standard MDF, where if you
got it wet, it will well and once it's swollen,
apart from standing it vigorously, there's very little you can
do about that. So if it's a slightly older kitchen,
or if you know what type of MDF was used
in the actual doors, chances are you won't be able

(15:22):
to do a lot about the swelling of the door
without sort of stripping the door quite extensively and then
having it relackered. If you know who made the door
the kitchen in the first place. I'd be tempted to
invite them back and have a look at There are
some companies that come and do the spraying on site,
so they'll do a color match, or if you still
have records of the color, they'll do a color match

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or have those records and respray the cabinetry in situ.
It might be a case that someone comes along, takes
the cabinetry or the frontages off, takes them to the
factory and resprays them, and then comes and reinstalls them.
It's given that it's a lacquer. It's really hard to
do yourself, let's say, unless you've got spray equipment and

(16:06):
the right type of paint and so on and so forth.
So there are some kitchen makeover type companies that are
out there as well. I'd be getting in touch with them. Shower,
here's a shower question for you. Showers are a bit
old and I want to update it. Can I replace
just the frame or do I have to change the
liner and the pan? Is it di wiable? Well, ultimately

(16:27):
everything's di wible. If you really want to have a
crack now in this case, you can. It'll just be
a case of finding an off the shelf shower screen
that will fit your existing one. But you know, if,
for example, it's a seven fifty by nine hundred or
a nine hundred by nine hundred return shower, then that
should be readily available. So unscrew the well, find the

(16:49):
new one first, make sure that it fits, then unscrew
the old one and replace it, and just pay a
little bit of attention to making sure that you get
the ceilant in the right place and that any penetrations
additional penetrations you might have put in there are also
well sealed. Go eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. We'll do a couple more texts in

(17:11):
just a moment, but if you've got a question you'd
like an answer to, then call us right now. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty Karen, A very good morning
to you.

Speaker 7 (17:19):
Yeah, Hi, how are you, Pete?

Speaker 3 (17:21):
It's pretty good things.

Speaker 7 (17:23):
Yeah. Look, we do regular maintenance on the house every
year and have the house washed, and I'm so glad
that I do it. I do it now. I know
this is probably to do with insects, but you deal
with damage to wood as well, don't you. So we
had this moth in the garden and it's laid eggs

(17:47):
into the wood. Have you heard of that before?

Speaker 3 (17:51):
What type have.

Speaker 5 (17:54):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (17:54):
You know your house, your house would okay.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
So into weatherboards or trims or yeah.

Speaker 7 (18:00):
We've been into the weather board itself. So the guy
that washed the house, he shows me and he told
me to pick them off that once they get really
hard into the wood, you can't pick it up, pick
it off. And I just wondered if you'd heard about it,
and how does it really?

Speaker 3 (18:19):
Is it that sort of thing where it almost looks
like you know when you go to the Rocky Seashore
and you see the little limpets that are attached and
they're kind of about well maybe two centimeters long and
ribbed on the surface. Is it that type of appearance
where they they.

Speaker 7 (18:34):
Know it's a black spot?

Speaker 3 (18:37):
A black spot? Wow?

Speaker 7 (18:38):
Would they lay the egg into the wood?

Speaker 3 (18:42):
So when you say into the wood, so they drill
or burrow their way into the timber and then lay
their eggs there.

Speaker 7 (18:52):
I don't know. He just said that they just to
get He said it's only just started on a very
like he got into the plant and told me to
get rid of the plant. We have done yep, but
last night is out and I could see all these
tiny moths.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
You know how interesting?

Speaker 7 (19:12):
Okay, and you said that people have to paint their
whole houses because of these.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
Moths, right, yeah, look, it's possible. I suppose. What I'm
kind of intrigued about is that, you know, one of
the reasons that we treat timber in this country is
to prevent insects, right, it will prevent infestation from insects,
so and certainly exterior timbers are treated in the same

(19:40):
way that it's it's an insecticide. So the thought of
moths kind of burrowing their way in and then laying
their eggs there and so on, I wonder whether I mean, look,
if your house needs a paint at some stage anyway,
then that'll take care of that problem. And then if
you I know, rud often talks about the Pyreetherum based

(20:05):
general insecticide. It's from safe Works, So you do like
a general application of that to knock back all of
the insects. And then you deal with the whatever gaps
and cracks and holes and that have come from the
moths by just your regular prep.

Speaker 7 (20:25):
Yeah, kind of how the house has been washed. I mean,
it comes every year.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (20:32):
Yeah, it was just.

Speaker 7 (20:33):
So interesting that he told me that people have to
have their whole houses painted, because I just thought you
might have heard about it.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
No, it's quite intriguing. So if you stood back, let's say,
two meters from the surface of the weatherboards, would you
be able to see where these moths have have left
their mark?

Speaker 7 (20:52):
No, because it's like a black spot, right, it's like
a tiny, tiny spot, and you can pack them off
when they've just been laid. That's what he said to me, right,
and go out and pack them off. But he said
the ones that are in that you can't pick coffee,
that you can't get rid of them.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
But if you were to take a piece of sandpaper,
for example, and.

Speaker 7 (21:20):
I got a little bit of a knife, you can.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
So you literally get I mean, to be fair, I've
sanded all sorts of things and there's not a lot
that resists sandpaper. Ultimately, So if you were to take
a bit of sandpaper and sand over the surface where
this this black spot is, would you eventually get back
to either paint or timber beyond it. That would be
really interesting to know, because you know, maybe trying to

(21:45):
scrape it off with a knife or a tungsten or
something like that might be a bit challenging. But I
suppose I'm intrigued as to if you were to hit
it with a bit of sandpaper, would you knock it
back have a bare surface that is then ready for painting,
or does it somehow penetrate.

Speaker 7 (22:02):
Well, that's what I want to know, surely.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
I mean that, you know, I admire the industrious nature
of insects, but you know, burrowing through paint in order
to lay an egg seems like an awful lot of effort.
I just wonder whether it's on the surface, and maybe
it's the sort of thing that doesn't come off with
a house wash or a water.

Speaker 9 (22:19):
Blast because he couldn't get it off.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
But sending it, I think maybe it is that he
I think I wonder whether what it is that he's
saying is, look, I can't clean them off, and the
only way to deal with it is to then go
and you know, send them off and repaint and then
maybe treat the exterior with an insecticide that stops them.

(22:44):
You know, they'll they'll go somewhere else rather than try
and make a home at your place. And it's definitely
not borer. It's not like an actual little hole.

Speaker 7 (22:53):
Well, I've locked it up on my phone. All came
back to boras.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
Yes, but if it is boring, it'll be a hole, right,
It'll actually be a hole through the surface. And again,
in reasonably modern weather boards, you just won't see that
because they're treated.

Speaker 7 (23:10):
Right twelve years old.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
Oh yeah, No, it's not going to be boring. It's
not going to be boring. I wonder whether I every
year and that's great, but you know, again, if this
is something that's obviously you know, moths have evolved to
create an environment for the eggs that's that would adhere
to things, then it will resist water blasting because it

(23:36):
feels like heavy rain, right, so I kind of get that.
I just wonder whether you'll need to use maybe even
an abrasive scouring pad and some household cleaner to knock
them off with that, but it'll be time consuming. You
just have to work your way around the house cleaning
them off individually.

Speaker 7 (23:52):
Failing that, I'm really lucky.

Speaker 8 (23:55):
It's just start, right.

Speaker 7 (23:58):
It's about sustain of them that you can't get all.

Speaker 10 (24:03):
Yeah, but it's just what I was interested in.

Speaker 7 (24:07):
Is a beauty heard of it?

Speaker 3 (24:09):
You haven't I haven't. I'll certainly run it past route
at eight thirty and.

Speaker 7 (24:15):
Well, I thought i'd bring you just in case I
couldn't get through to get and you're not busy at
the moment, I will.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
I will make sure that we talk about it at
eight thirty as well. I appreciate nice for you to call.
You have a great day, take care. Then, yeah, I
do wonder whether you just hit it with a bit
of sandpaper when you're about to do a repaint and
then paint over the top and maybe do some treatment
to the exterior of the house that makes it an
inhospitable place for for moths. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten

(24:46):
eighty is the number to call David, text Peter or
good morning Pete. How long do I need to leave
new concrete before coating it with a seala? And what
seala is best? Please David. A couple of extra questions
is when you say new concrete, is it a pathway,
is it a garden tay? Is it a driveway? Is

(25:09):
it a floor slab? Those sorts of things, because they'll
all have different types of sealers applied. Typically, if you
want to have a look for sealers, I get the
stuff that I use from a company called Premiere Group
and I order it online. I think they're based out
of Hamilton. They'll have a range of sealers and colors
as well. I have to say I did some myself

(25:32):
a couple of years ago, and I'm not happy with it.
It's one of those jobs where maybe it's more tricky
than you think. And I was back there looking at
it the other day and it's one of those little
niggles that you have where you go shivers. I can
see a couple of lines in it and it's not
quite as even the distribution. Maybe I didn't do the

(25:53):
acid wash correctly. Maybe I applied the sealer when it
was too hot and it dried off too quickly or
something like that. So yeah, depending on the area. But
have a look at the Premier Group website. They've got
some good information on sealers. You can also have a
look at new Lock dot co dot nz get new
Look rather get New Look website. He's got lots of

(26:14):
information about sealers and colors and so on for concrete
as well. Right, we can take sure, No, We'll talk
to Wendy in just a moment. Other quick text, Hey, Pete.
I've got a hardy plank and tumbled concrete blocks on
my house twelve years old. Should I brush it with
just water or use a cleaning product? I think the
advantage of using a cleaning product is that it's it's
obviously got an active ingredient that will deal in particular

(26:38):
with some of the organic material that builds up on
our houses, so the moss and molds and lichens and
those sorts of things. It'll save you a lot of
elbow grease to use a cleaner, and it will also
treat the surface. So yeah, proprietary house washers are really
good to use. That's what I would do. Oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call Wendy

(27:00):
A very good morning.

Speaker 7 (27:02):
Ay, Yes, good morning. I was listening to your caller
talking about the tiny black spots house and we haven't
countered a similar problem. And it's actually a fungus and
it's got several names. It can be called shotgun fungus
or artillery fungus, and I think New Zealand has a

(27:23):
variety called birds near fungus. And it's a tiny fungus
that grows like a very small mushroom and when rain
drops land on it and it really it inverts itself
and time to win black sticky balls and they give
as far as ten or twenty feet. It's not common

(27:48):
in New Zealand. And it took us several house washes
before the chap would come in and say, look, I've
washed your house down. But unfortunately there's these little things
like spiders marks or something I can't get off. And
finally when we got to the bottom of it, we
discovered with this shotgun fungus and it came onto our

(28:10):
property in the black wooden type chip.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
With black wood that used for malch in the garden.

Speaker 7 (28:20):
Yes, and I heard that that's made out of old
palettes and a lot of them are important from over
seas and this fungus has probably come on in old
palettes which are made from timber that's not treated. And
she's quite correct that you cannot get it off. And

(28:40):
when we first discovered it, our daughter parked her lightly
colored car near our property and she got home and
rang me and said, Mum, you've got something into a
house that's put black spots all down one side of
my car and it's like a sticky car.

Speaker 3 (28:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (29:00):
Well, anyway. With over several years we have finally we
changed all our black mulch with a natural bark which
is a bit resistant, more resistant to that hype of fungus.
If this tree bark is meant to shield things and
protect them, whereas the wood chip really lets that type

(29:25):
of infestation and anyway to come along sprey short After
several years, we discovered that a bleach is the way
to kill it. And you lifed up about five parts
water to one part bleach, and you can spray it
or ben water and can onto the bark and that

(29:49):
does kill it. But we just had to let this
little black spot settle for several years until it was
quite hard, and then our painters have sanded, water blasted,
sanded and got it off and repainted. But I'm still nervous.

Speaker 11 (30:03):
I checked my wood.

Speaker 7 (30:06):
One ter looking for the first little black spot because
you can see it in the ark. It's like a
little booth.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
When you say small, are we talking a couple of millimeters?
Are we talking five millimeters?

Speaker 7 (30:21):
Are you're talking the size of it?

Speaker 3 (30:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (30:24):
A pinhead?

Speaker 3 (30:25):
Wow? Okay?

Speaker 7 (30:29):
And it sticks, it's up under the eaves out. He's
almost black with it. After like three seasons and we
were just distraught, not even knowing what was happening. Irang
the people that Rude would deal with, and they said, oh,
we're not interested because New Zealand does have its own variety,
and right we go. We got absolutely no help. We

(30:51):
contacted the landscape gardener who did the property like six
or seven years earlier, and everyone was just at a
loss and we really had to research it Outselda a.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
Couple of quick questions in around it, because to be fair,
I've used black mulch at home. Right it's you know,
it looks a bit more flash or whatever. How close
to your house is the gardens that have the black mulch.

Speaker 7 (31:17):
The gardens go right up to the house. But this
right and the and the mulch goes like the mulch
is like it's a big house. It could be three
meters of mult going out from the house. But this
little thing shoot twenty or forty feet when it when
it If you research it, you can research it under

(31:37):
shotgun fungus or artillery fungus. And it's called that for
a name. That name for a reason that.

Speaker 12 (31:44):
It can shoot it twenty or thirty feet And when
you see it in the bark. It has the initial
spores are quite yellow, looking like a little.

Speaker 7 (31:57):
Yellow yep spot, and then once it has exploded, it's
it's very close to the surface of the bark. It's
not a mushroom that has a stalk. It just sits
very very close to the surface. One of the best
ways to get rid of it, they said, you can

(32:20):
you have to bury the bark about four.

Speaker 8 (32:22):
Inches steep deep, or you can.

Speaker 7 (32:26):
You can get rid of it. Well, the bleach is
the best thing we have found.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
And the bleach you use on the bark in the garden.

Speaker 7 (32:36):
Yes, just pour it over the bark and it's meant
to kill.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
The spoards, but surely the plants don't really like having
the bleach spread around the place as well.

Speaker 7 (32:47):
It doesn't seem to affect anything else. I tested it
on because there are parts where it's like a mango
ground cover, and I would like to have poured the
bleach all over the top, and I have. I found
that it's quite good with the plants. It hasn't damaged.
I've been obviously just putting it in between and around

(33:09):
the plants if we can.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
It's one of those things that you never thought you'd
become an expert in but obviously you have.

Speaker 7 (33:17):
I really appreciate it right for us for several years,
and we've just in our house which is white repast it.

Speaker 13 (33:24):
But I still go out.

Speaker 7 (33:27):
After may or in winter time looking for it on
the glass. You can get it off the glass, yeah,
with a scrape. And you can get it off the
metal frame of your window easily too, but very difficult
to get.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Off the planted surface the paintwork. How intriguing.

Speaker 7 (33:44):
Thank you to believe it.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
Yeah, I bet well. It'll be on my radar now.
I'll look out for that. Wendy, Thank you very much.
That was incredibly informative. I really appreciate that. And yes,
i'll ask about shotgun or artillery or bird's nest fungus
when you joined us at about eight thirty this morning.
We'll take a short break. It is six forty three.
Here a news stork seed B your new stalks heed
B earlier on a text about concrete sealers as well,

(34:08):
and someone has flicked through a quick recommendation for concrete
sealers dot co dot m Z. That's the Armatech range
NZ manufactured. I think I've seen them at trade shows
and that sort of thing over the years. Someone who's
also text I am busy today, Well, good for you.
I'm not sure what that's actually about. Maybe it's about
the fair. I'm going to the fair today. Saint Leo's

(34:30):
and Devenport are on the shore. Maybe they're saying that
they're too busy to go. You don't know what you're
missing out on, I tell you. And the guys that
do the pul pork tacos ah craky, they put a
lot of effort into it and their outstanding right. Oh,
I'm starting to get hungry. It is seven forty six
forty seven and Pat a very good morning to you.

Speaker 14 (34:49):
Hello Peter, Hello, I have got a problem my conservatory roof.
Yes place stick panels. Well, this is the third time
that the Hales put holes in it, and their insurance
of course won't come to the party, but leaks like
a sieve at the edges. Amazing eight. And I got

(35:11):
told off by the day because I was like, you're
right there.

Speaker 15 (35:16):
Not allowed to do that.

Speaker 14 (35:18):
But anyway, my sun in law's planning is putting these
solid panels up there, and is it going to make
it look too dark? Is it going to be too
heavy forever. But them jewdery or I think.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
If they're going to use effectively. And I say this,
and it's not a gerograthy term like a freezer panel, right,
so it's metal on both sides, but I'm talking about Yeah,
that while is a bit of extra weight, I'm sure
that your aluminium structure will take the weight of that.
But yes, if it's completely solid, then you will get

(35:54):
no light through the conservatory roof anymore.

Speaker 14 (35:57):
But we worry it's almost too hot to get out
there in the summit.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
That's what I wonder whether now, with the way that
the weather is and so on, that that increasingly, you know,
just a clear roof, especially if it's you know, facing north,
and that you would just unless you do a lot
of extra treatments to the glass that you might have
in it. If you did have glass, then it's it's
going to be sweltering in there. So no, look, I

(36:23):
think that'd be fine. And then ideally just make sure
that the panels overhang by a decent amount one hundred.

Speaker 14 (36:29):
Hundred and fifty mil on either end and put a
heavier spout.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
He said, yeah, that would that would work as well.
Spoutings typically cope with, you know, the load from a
small roof, but just to give a bit of an
eve effectively will give you protection around that junction, and
then if it's well sealed, you'll be fine.

Speaker 14 (36:48):
I wouldn't recommend that plastic stuff to anybody because the
holes are in the top layer and then the water
gets and the net doll goes black and green and
oh it's awful.

Speaker 16 (36:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
I mean, look, I've got some clear light roofing on
my in my workshop, right, So I've got sort of
steel and then clear pan and look they I replaced
them was beginning of last year, but the old ones
had been there twenty or thirty years. So I tell
you what I've did foolishly is I went and got
some clear sheeting, right, and I went, gosh, this is great.

(37:20):
This is a tremendous amount of light. But then it
was also swelteringly hot in the workshop over summer, so
I ended up having to take those sheets off again
and replace them with some that had more UV protection in,
which made a big difference.

Speaker 15 (37:34):
But that was my day out there.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
Yeah exactly. Yeah, it's warm enough.

Speaker 14 (37:39):
Thank you so much for it, my mind, it thank
all the best to you, Thank.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
You, thank you, take care all the best and good
on you. Eighty eight up on the roof. That's awesome.
I wait, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call Dana. Good morning to you.

Speaker 15 (37:55):
I was wanted if you can give me advice. I
was going to go go do my house up and
I should have don't know what start, And I was wondering,
how long does the electric work firing about?

Speaker 3 (38:08):
Well, how old is the house?

Speaker 15 (38:10):
Roughly, Well, it's built in the early nineteen.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Seventies, okay, so it'll be what we'd call generally modern wiring, right,
So it's TPS, it has a coating around it. And
given that it's you know, most of it's concealed, right,
so it's not exposed to UV because it's in the
walls or it's in the roof space. Realistically, I can't

(38:34):
imagine that you would need to be concerned about it
for many, many many years. In fact, I wouldn't be
concerned about wiring that's forty years old in a house
at all. Get it by all means, get it tested,
and if there is a fault, an electrical inspector will
be able to identify that. But I don't think you've
really got too many concerns.

Speaker 9 (38:54):
Me.

Speaker 15 (38:54):
One thing is I had an electrician come in once
and he was looking as a light fitting and he
said that there was no worse. And I don't know
whether that's where the shore should.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
Yeah, absolutely, whether that's a question that there was no
earth in the fitting, but your house should be earthed.
So outside your house should be a peg rod that
goes into the ground and then typically it's a green
cable that you see running out to it. That's really
really important that it's there. And if it's not there,

(39:28):
or if it's a not good condition, and that's what
happens to them over time they get but knocked or
the connection gets loose or the wire phrase, you need
to have that looked at. So yes, having your house
earthed is really important.

Speaker 15 (39:40):
Okay, Well, it's just there's no green in anything that
I can see. But I could go to the electrician
to come in and look. But I just sort of
you looked at one of the lights, which you said
that it was on earth. And that's what's.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
Bothering me, is I mean, again, I'm not going to.

Speaker 15 (39:58):
Individual could an individual light vitally not the earth, but
the rest of the place could be.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
Yes, it is possible. And I'm thinking about some fittings
that I've seen, you know, as the guys have taken
them apart in that sort of thing. And sometimes there
won't be an earth to a light fitting. But your
house should absolutely be earthed.

Speaker 15 (40:18):
Oh I see, it might just be the light things.

Speaker 5 (40:21):
Yeah, I think you euldn't.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
This circuit will be, but not necessarily the fitting.

Speaker 5 (40:31):
Very much.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
Okay, all right, you look after yourself, done, take care.
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, will take your calls.
Will take a short break as well. It is six
fifty three. I've just had a Eureka moment. For those
of you who didn't do classics, Eureka was the moment
where Archimedes was in the bath. I wasn't in the bath.
I didn't even have a bath during the news break
or anything like that. But I did have a bit
of wander around, stretch my legs, and I was thinking

(40:53):
about something that arrived at my place this week, which
was a portable dust extractor. So it's a little Rhyobi
eighteen vault extractor. It's about the size of a large
lunch box basically with a hose attachment on it. It's
wet and dry, and you can use it obviously as
a vacuum, or more importantly for me, I can use
it as a dust extractor. So it's something that I'm

(41:15):
fastidious without being obsessive about. And then I got thinking
about the fact that I had this and I unboxed
it during the week, and then I'm wandering around the
house yesterday looking like a crazy person carrying this little
Robie project vacuum, just randomly vacuuming things, you know, lifted
the rug, vacuumed underneath the rug, down behind the back

(41:38):
of the TV, vacuumed the dust from the back of
the TV, this sort of thing. And then I wandered
around workshop doing exactly the same thing. And then I
was thinking earlier on about the fact that now I've
got this portable vacuum, which is good, but that now
gets me to four dust extraction systems in my workshop.
So underneath the workbench, I've got you know, the classic
sort of bag attached to a big fan. I plug

(41:59):
that into the table saw when I'm using that, which
is great. Then I've got another vacuum cleaner, which is
there on a heavy duty one for general vacuuming. Then
I've got a small one that's permanently attached to the
drop saw at the drop saw station. And then I'm thinking,
is four types of dust extraction in a small workshop
just a little bit excessive? Could I reduce that? Then

(42:20):
I got to the point where I remember I picked
up an additional hose for one of those vacuums, which
instead of having two vacuums side by side, I could
just attach one hose permanently to the drop saw and
just do the connection at the vacuum. That will free
up some more space. Anyway, that was my Eureka moment. Yeah,
these things occupy my mind as I'm wandering through the building.

(42:42):
Here we're talking all things building construction this morning, and
dust extraction if you want to talk about that as well,
and a fascinating discussion in the first hour about these
little black spots that can appear on painted surfaces, exterior
painted surfaces, particularly weatherboards, and whether they are in one case,
like a moth that lays an egg which is almost

(43:03):
impossible to get off the husk of that. And then
these other things called either shotgun fungus, bird's nest fungus
or artillery fungus. So we've got a lot to talk
about with rud when he joins me at around eight
thirty this morning. This morning on the program, we've got
our painting expert Jay from Razine. He'll be joining us
at around seven thirty. If you've got a specific painting question,

(43:26):
we can have a crack at that with Jay at
around seven thirty. But right now it's your opportunity to
talk all things building in construction. Eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. Mark a very
good morning, Good.

Speaker 5 (43:38):
Morning, Peter, thank you very much for the call. I'm
curious about the definition between a garage and a carboard. Yes,
for legality wise, obviously councils have in different areas have
different bi laws. But I'm curious if these are set size.

(44:01):
If it isn't covered in with walls, then ideally you
could class it as a carport.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
And that's as I understand it, essentially what it is.
So garage we would expect, you know, three walls and
the big door, and car ports are allowed to have
i think say two sides and closed or you know,
partly enclosed or sheltered. But the basically they're open, right,
and so car ports in Underschedule one of the Building Act,

(44:32):
which talks about work that might not require a building consent.
Typically you can build up to I think it's forty
square meter car port without necessarily requiring a building consent,
depending on where it's located on the property.

Speaker 5 (44:47):
So if it was located sort of straight off the
drive as you in close proximity to the footpath and
classic there's a car port, would that get around a
building not having to have a building perm.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
Maybe not, because often because what you're describing as you
sort of come in off the roadway, over the curb,
over the footpath onto your property and that's where you
would put it. So some planning regulations exclude buildings in
the front yard. There's often a front yard setback, so
you might have to be three meters five meters six

(45:26):
meters back from the entry of your property before you're
allowed to put a structure on. So I was talking
about this the other day and a little piece of
video content that we were making talking about you know,
we've got this real focus on going. Okay, the Building
Act determines what we can build, but in fact, all

(45:47):
sorts of other pieces of legislation also determine what we
can build, how we can build, and where we can
build those items. So planning, for example, is one of them.
In the same way that some councils have requirements and
regulations around the height of a fence. Front fences is
limited to a certain height in some parts of the country.

Speaker 5 (46:07):
So yes, yes, yes, I'm a little aware on the
height of the fence. I think in some areas it's
two meters, it's eighteen hundred, and then I'm not sure
about the fronts.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
The front some areas, particularly heritage areas, where you're limited
to one point two meters height on a front fence.
But that's not what I know you were asking about.
So I think you would need to do a specific
search for the planning regulations of your territorial authority around

(46:38):
where you can locate certain types of buildings, typically in
a front yard would trigger a requirement for a building
concent I'd.

Speaker 5 (46:47):
Say, so a height restriction on a cap or you know,
if there is one.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's probably similar to a
minor dwelling, so overall it can't exceed I think off
the top of my head it's somewhere around three and
a half meters, you know, which would allow you know,
that's a reasonably high building. The other thing is proximity
to boundary. So for a lot of buildings that don't

(47:14):
require a building consent, the rule that allows you to
do that is that you must be the height of
the building away from the boundary. And there's a certain
logic to that. If it fell over right then and
you've got a three meter high wall and it's three
meters from the boundary and it falls over, it's not
going to impact on your neighbor. So you know, if
you're doing a three meter high wall that's a meter

(47:37):
from the boundary and it fell over and it headed
that way, then obviously that's going to impact on the neighbor.
In that case, you might need a building consent for
a building like that. Typically, if you're building closer than
a meter from the boundary, there's also a requirement for
fire rating and that certainly does need a building consent.

Speaker 5 (47:58):
So just hypothetically, I won't hold this up any longer,
but if you poured a concrete slab, as I say,
just inside the boundary to park two cars, would you
be able to then claim or could it be possible
that on the boundary you could put in four poles

(48:22):
and then put a shade cloth. So yeah, I look
pushing me on the lope.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
No, Essentially you're looking for cover, right, for a vehicle
or something like that. Yeah, I would imagine that no,
one's probably going to object too much with the shade cloth.
And theoretically if you're then attaching it maybe to the
house for anchoring and that sort of thing, it's going
to stop it heading towards the neighbors. So yeah. And
also shade cloths would typically be seen as temporary rather

(48:55):
than permanent.

Speaker 5 (48:56):
Thank you very much, So no trouble.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
I'll tell you what if you wanting to use like
a yes no checkbox type approach to this, which is
quite good. It may not off everything, But what you
do is you go to canibuild it, dot gov, dot
enz Oh really yeah, and then you just work your
way through can I build it, and it will say
what do you want to build? Where do you want

(49:19):
to build it? And it will give you sort of
a series of yes no responses and indicate whether or
not you might need a consent or what other pieces
of legislation might impact on it. So it's a very
good website, really helpful, all the best, Yes, Stephen, Oh
he's gone, he's gone, He's off, right ya try that anyway?

(49:40):
Can I build it? Dot gov dot NZ is very
very useful. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call if you've got a question of
a building nature. We can we can discuss all of
these things. What's the point of a car port? Please? Well,
essentially at shelter, isn't it for your vehicle? Simple as that?
And you know, typically if what you're concerned about is
keeping the rain a bit a son off, and you're

(50:01):
not worried about storing lots of other things in there,
then a carport will provide that. Arguably not as good
at protecting vehicles as having a garage, but garage, you know,
might be too expensive, so car port often a more
cost effective solution. Oh, eight hundred eighteen eighty the number
to call. Hey, Stephen, good morning, Oh.

Speaker 8 (50:22):
Good morning. Thank you for taking my call. Peter. It's
it's a new build, yep. And it's a long run
roof and we've got I've got two little points. Depending
on the the direction of the wind, there's a fluttering noise,
which I can only presume is the building paper. Yep,

(50:44):
and it's it's quite loud. And have access to the loft.
When I'm in the loft of the little ladders, I
can see a light all all around that area. And
I'm just wondering whether whether the two are actually going

(51:06):
to acted.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
What the roofing underlay that's there. Is it black or
is it colored eye white or blue or something like that.

Speaker 8 (51:17):
The roofing under I can't actually see it because there's
so much insulation. I've just viewed. I've just viewed it
from actually from the top of the from the top
of the ladders into the loft. The sound is quite
is quite. It sounds like a bird that stuffy yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
And fluttering away.

Speaker 16 (51:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
Yes, I have to say it's it is a little
bit unusual. But if the building or the in this case,
the roofing underlay has been laid and they haven't put
sufficient fixings in it, or they've inadvertently torn it somewhere
and then kind of ignored that and roofed over it,
then yeah, and and depending on the direction where the

(52:03):
wind is coming from, if wind is getting in underneath
that sheet, then potentially it's fluttering and and that would
be frustrating.

Speaker 8 (52:13):
I've had it on all around, all around the actual building,
depending on the wind, and then on the.

Speaker 14 (52:20):
On the.

Speaker 8 (52:22):
Side of the side of the house tasting east, it
tends to be in that area from a yeah, and
likewise the other side of the house, a different wind
direction creates the same sort of effect.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
And you say it's a new build, yes, okay, so
there may well be guaranteed attached, or even if there
isn't a guarantee, you still have protections under the both
the Building Act and the Consumer Guarantees. So have you
made an approach to the main contractor to go, hey, look,
I want you to come back and address this.

Speaker 13 (53:07):
I have.

Speaker 8 (53:08):
We've only been in the house for four weeks.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
Now, okay, so early days it is.

Speaker 8 (53:14):
Yes, I'm just wondering what what your opinion would be that, well,
you know, do they have to but they have to
put some more flashing in there or.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
Look, it could be any number of things. So for example,
if at the top of the run of the is
it a corrugate or is it a different trapezoidal shape
roofing that you've got, it's.

Speaker 8 (53:40):
It's the like amn decking it used to be called
in the old days along run color steel.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
Okay ye. So typically you know, for example, at the
top of the sheet, before you fix the flashing over it,
you turn up the trough right now, if for some
reason they didn't do that and air is shooting up there,
that'll that'll course me if at the bottom of the
sheet the facial boarders set too low and you might
have an excessive gap there, depending on the pitch of

(54:10):
the roof. In some case you need a little underflashing.
It might be if it's in a high wind zone
and they haven't done a great job of the underlay,
then possibly they need to install a foam filler in there,
So back the sheets off, install a foam filler to
stop air getting in there. But I think if someone
is able to get access to the roof space and

(54:32):
have a look, if you know, you'll always see a
little bit of light shining through on a roof, but
it shouldn't be extensive. And maybe if someone was to
go in there during you know, on a windy day
and be able to identify where the sound's coming from.
If it's something like a tear in the roofing, underlay
that they haven't bothered to fix. Then that's poor workmanship
and someone should come pull off those sheets, redo the

(54:55):
roofing underlay and replace it.

Speaker 8 (54:58):
Okay, Yeah, that sounds quite a big it does.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
The only good thing is it's not your problem. It's
the contractor's problem.

Speaker 7 (55:05):
Right.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
So typically, you know, thousands of roofs are installed every year,
and it's unusual to have that fluttering sound saying that
I've I've had it on another building where we used
metal cladding on a as wall cladding, and it just
so happened that the way in which the winds sort
of came across the property hit a lower roof and
was directed up and there was a slight drumming in that.

(55:28):
Now that's it was intermittent and there were some things
we could do to mitigate it. But yeah, I think
at this early stage it's not something that you should
be that that should disturb you. I should be.

Speaker 8 (55:41):
Fixed, okay.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
And these things are never easy, you know, the discussions
are never easy, and sometimes the response is you know,
you're being a bit pedantic and all the rest of it.
But I think you've got a genuine concern, and so
i'd recommend stick to your guns and get it sorted
out the very best. Take care, Stephen. We'll take a
short break back in a moment, right as promised and

(56:07):
almost bang on time. And that's that's me being tardy.
Jay Sharples from Razine A very good morning to you.

Speaker 17 (56:14):
Jay, Good morning mate, how are you good?

Speaker 3 (56:16):
Good and nice to catch up with you on Thursday
and Bryce. That was a rarity, all three of us together.

Speaker 7 (56:21):
It was great.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
It was a great event. And as you know well
in the background because you could hear them working away,
was the young or the nine Young Apprentices of the Year.
So they did that practical during construct where you guys were,
and then on the Friday night had the gala dinner,
let's say, and one of those young apprentices, young man

(56:47):
by the name of Hunter Moon, was appointed as the
Young Apprentice of the Year. So outstanding, it's great, No, excellent, Yeah,
it's good. And I think you know what I quite
liked about it was the whole thing that you know,
we do recognize excellence and that we do introduce some
competition into being an apprentice. And you know, for that

(57:09):
young person, and there there were nine there, eight males,
one female. You know, they all get to say from
here on, look, I made it through to the finals,
and in some cases for him anyway, Hey, look I
was Apprentice of the Year twenty twenty four, so it's.

Speaker 16 (57:23):
Great, that's excellent.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
Yeah, absolutely right, Oak. Now, we had a curious, curious
question this morning around you know, like organic growth on
exterior painted surfaces, particularly weatherboards, and people were calling through
with it a couple of things. One was like insects,
so moths in particular that tend to leave a casing
seemingly that's incredibly hard to remove. And then suddenly we

(57:49):
got talking about various funguses that are not particularly common
but can adhere to exterior surfaces. So if you're about
to do and we're heading into summer some exterior painting,
where do we start, And as.

Speaker 17 (58:04):
Always we say treat with raze, moss and molecular It's
it might take more than one sort of treatment to
remove stuff. I mean, there's plenty of lichens and stuff
that are very hard to remove, so it's really trying
to kill it and remove it before you start painting.
There really is no point sort of painting over the

(58:25):
top of it. So the paint's only going to adhere
to that. The lichen that's kind of going to be
crumbly away on the surface or die and it's your
paint will just break down in those areas, So it's
really important to clean outside inside with razim moss and
molecular The other big one is fly marks on the ceiling.

(58:46):
Don't just think I'm going to cover it. Give it
a clean first to remove it. I don't say, will
bleed through. You spend all this time painting your ceilings
and in the next week and see all those marks again.
So you really need to use on those anyway, give
them a good clean and then use an oil based primer.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
Oil based primers in those circumstances a because increasingly, you know,
waterborne primers are great, quick dry and that sort of thing,
but there's still sometimes a specific role for oil based.

Speaker 17 (59:18):
Yes, I mean, ideally you're cleaning it first to remove
it if there's any sort of marks left. It's a
mammal undercoats does a really good job of just locking
that in and stopping.

Speaker 5 (59:28):
It from blean.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
Just on the exterior cleaning, because we were talking about
that earlier on the show as well, and you know
people love whipping out the water blaster right, so, which
is kind of okay but requires restraint in terms of
if you're using the razine cleaner the housewash, how do
you actually apply it to the surface.

Speaker 17 (59:50):
I say most people get the water blaster out and
think that's sufficient. But I know from myself from cleaning
the car, if you don't agitate the surface and use
some sort of cleaner, yes, the water blaster doesn't actually
remove all those masks. It's exactly the same one your
painted surface. If you don't move all the surface contaminants,
your new coats of pain aren't going to adhere as well.

Speaker 7 (01:00:11):
So I know.

Speaker 17 (01:00:14):
Water blasts have like a soft brush you can attach,
which you can do low pressure and kind of scrub
on the cleaner. Yep, I've got one of those. I've
got an extendable pole that connects to the hose with
a soft bristle brush on the end, and I've got
a bucket and make the solution of the razine pain
prepper and house wash and water up and scrub it on.

Speaker 18 (01:00:38):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
Okay, So there, so you've got you make up your solution,
You get the dilution rate right into a bucket, then
you dip the heat of the brush into there and
then apply that so you're getting it. Do you know,
does anyone ever spray it on, like with a backpeck
spray or something like that.

Speaker 17 (01:00:55):
Uh, yes, I suppose you can do, but it's it's
really you can spread it all long, but you still
need to agitate the surface, right, Okay, saying like you
could spray the subd on the car's probably the easiest ones.
Most people clean their car once or twice the week
or month, So think about when you're doing that. It's

(01:01:16):
any other surface you're cleaning is exactly the same. Like,
you can't just spread it on, leave it and then
wash it off because you're just going to have marks
and runs and leave lots behind. You really need to
get that sponge out or brush out. Yeah, agitate the
surface and make sure you clean everything off and then
wash it down afterwards.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
It sounds like a bit of elbow grisse.

Speaker 7 (01:01:35):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
You can actually get like cordless brushes now that editate,
so you just but yeah, anyway, we'll talk about that
some other time. I might have to sort one out
for you, right Yoh, let's rip into a couple of
text messages. Actually, first one email recently someone has recently
bought a mid nineties stucco pibble plaster clad house and

(01:01:56):
napier doing some small repairs to the plaster. Can't seem
to get the color match right, so they've gone out.
They bought a number of test spots, but not quite
getting the color right. Is there a sort of definitive
way to get a color match if you can't use
the swatches or test pots?

Speaker 17 (01:02:15):
It's a bit hard on textured surfaces.

Speaker 7 (01:02:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:02:18):
A lot of the time, the same paint has been
used on the dam pipes and the clips that hold
the damn pipes on, which are really easy to remove,
So you could take one of those off into local
razine and they might be able to do a better
job getting closer with the color. It's usually the easiest
way to do it, especially on a textured surface.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
Yeah, okay, oh that's brilliant now. Another one is a
nineteen eighties house that's got what they're calling vibra pact blocks,
so just standard masonry blocks. The garage is painted on
the inside, but it's blistering and flaking. Now they are
aware that maybe there's an issue with some moisture, like
the outside ground level is piled up against the block work.

(01:03:01):
If they were going to paint it, what's the well
should they painted.

Speaker 17 (01:03:07):
Or the thing is is it sort of bubbling and
blistering on the inside. There's already a coating on and
it's kind of the effhuorescence causing issues, which is the
moisture coming through the block If you're in that situation. Obviously,
if it's soil, it's another big job. It's even if
it's concrete pathways, you really, ideally that should be sort

(01:03:30):
of tank lined before it gets back filled. It might
have been it might have been damaged, it might have
been done a long time ago and the coating damaged
in some way, and that's why there's moisture coming through. Ideally,
if you can't, you want to locate the point of
water ingress and eliminate it. So that sort of situation,
you really want to dig out the outside, let it

(01:03:52):
dry out, seal it all up, and then put the
earth or pathway or whatever it is back. Garden beds
is another big one before sort of attacking the inside.
If that really isn't possible and you just want to
id up the inside, it's a case of removing all
the loose flaky material ceiling with raisine shore seal, and

(01:04:14):
then you can repaint, but it will be an ongo
an issue. You've still got that moisture getting.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
In from somewhere yep, and you can't expect the paint
to hold back the moisture. Basically, okay, right, help please.
I have removed wallpaper, shore sealed, plastered prime to top coats.
All of the corners have come out late later, so
I repainted all of the corners. Now they're worse. What's

(01:04:40):
going on for Karen there?

Speaker 17 (01:04:43):
It's kind of without seeing that one, it's a bit
hard a lot of the time. The first thing that
jumps to my mind isn't it's where you get a
lot of the time you cut in with a brush
and you end up getting more paint on than you
do with the roller. Yes, it's you need to get

(01:05:07):
more paint on with the role that's a uniform. If
it's not sort of that situation and it's kind of
lighter in the corners, whether if it's been you said, sealed,
then plastered and then sealed and painted, could just be
where that ceiler is. If it's slightly lower in those
corner areas and there's light coming through it might just

(01:05:30):
look lighter due to the clinical light that's coming into
the room, right, But depending on the area of the country,
and maybe take some pictures into your local color shop
or see if we can get somebody to come out
and have a look. It's a bit hard to kind
of a light issue to discuss on the phones. A
little bits up.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
That sort of issue around picture framing, you know when we.

Speaker 17 (01:05:55):
Take that looking more than Me picture framing.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
We did that little video the other day, so we're
talking about it that. You know, if you as you're
cutting and if you go into it, you start painting
room and you go around your cutter and everywhere, and
then you grab your roller and start painting. Although the
area that you first started and is going to be
bone dry, isn't.

Speaker 17 (01:06:15):
It, So you really want to keep that wet edge
blending together.

Speaker 8 (01:06:20):
It's also.

Speaker 17 (01:06:23):
If you can roll up as close as possible to
the ceiling or the edge so you don't end up
with like a much bigger brush line. If you use
seventy five hundred mil brush and you're coming a long
way off the edge and you're only rolling up to that,
you're going to have the brush marks going one way
and the roller lines going another and again it just
comes down to the lighting highlights those kind of imperfections. Yes,

(01:06:47):
but it's like I said, the picture framing, which is
the word I was trying to get out. Really, if
you want to keep a wet edge, if it's a
big room, maybe get a couple of people to help,
so one's cutting in, one's rolling, or only cut in
so far and then roll and then move on to
the next wall.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
Brilliant.

Speaker 17 (01:07:07):
Also, we're coming into the time of year. Razine hot
weather additive just slows down the dry time, increases the
flow of the paint and just helps with those situations.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
Yeah, and never paint and direct sunlight. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
last one for you. This is a great one. Actually,
morning pick regarding the cleaning of the exterior of the
house with say the razine cleaner. Do I need to
protect my new Vitex decking or is it safe for
the cleaner to drop onto it?

Speaker 17 (01:07:33):
Well, the razim what's the mole killer is sort of
sodium hyperchloride or sort of bleach based cleaner. Yes, so
you really want to protect anything around it for the decking.
A lot of time I'd wet the area down first,
just so anything that goes on kind of gets diluted
a bit, and it's not going directly onto a dry deck.

(01:07:57):
But anything you can do to protect the areas that
you don't want to get any of the clean or
get damaged at all. Gardens, plants, Yeah, you see the
big thing with the sort of cleaners.

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
You know, a little while ago I talked to you
about trying to get some mold growth off the bathroom
ceiling and a property that I look after, and so
I got the proper you know, house interior wash and
prep and mold keller and that sort of thing, and
I applied lots of it and quite vigorously. And I
did notice that the old shirt that I'd been wearing
has got marks all over it, So you do have

(01:08:32):
to be a bit careful. It's very effective, like.

Speaker 17 (01:08:37):
Put it in the backpack spread and it might drip
on the T shirt, just like if you're doing jobs
around the house with painting, cleaners, wear old clothes or
stuff you don't mind I forget damaged.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
Yeah, absolutely, all right, great advice as always, mate, Thank
you very much, and enjoy the day, enjoy the sunshine,
and we'll we'll talk again soon.

Speaker 17 (01:08:57):
Sounds good. Thank you, Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
All of this to you, Jay, Jay our painting expert
from Razine, and great advice that he mentioned earlier. You know,
if you're struggling to find the color match and so on,
maybe bring the sample into the store and there'll be
someone with the experience who'll be able to help you
out with that as well. Great advice always and great
advice in store at your local Razine color shop. Your
news Talks here, b we'll take a short break. We'll

(01:09:20):
be back with your calls right up till eight o'clock
in the next hour. Of course, the red climb passed
will join us. Looking forward to catching up with him.
And I want to know more about this artillery fungus.
It's got to be one of the best names out there.
Back in your news Talks, he'd be in a quick
painting question from you. Gary, Good morning, Hi morning.

Speaker 18 (01:09:40):
I was hanging on that conversation with Jay because it's
exactly there that I'm.

Speaker 9 (01:09:45):
Go for it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:46):
I'm sure I can now.

Speaker 8 (01:09:49):
So so we South Coast, well, I can at the
bottom levels, you know, usually sort of reinforced steel block,
but it's got to so render over it. And we've
been here about ten years. It's it's kind of cantileave
it out and it's not people, so how I haven't
got to.

Speaker 17 (01:10:08):
It over time.

Speaker 18 (01:10:08):
And so now there's quite a lot of mold and
like and on the external window leads as well, that
nasty sort of yellow orangey one. So so we're needing
to paint, you know, tie up and paint the ex
stow render. So so I guess from talking to the
hearing about Jay, I mean that was the mold sounds

(01:10:30):
like a part of the process. And but you know,
it's it's it's it's a render, so it's it's not
a coarse one.

Speaker 8 (01:10:38):
It's a really sort of.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
Fine like what they call a sponge finishing with a
trailed on and sponge finished.

Speaker 18 (01:10:44):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but you wouldn't sort of have a
go at it with a water blasts or anything because no, no, no.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
Not at all. And I mean if it's difficult access
and sign you may have to get some scaffolding obviously
to get up there because you want to take a
bit of time. So and most likely it'll be multiple
applications of the cleaner, so sort of an inn shall clean, agitate, rinse,
leave it for a little while, do it again and
be really confident that the treatment that you've used has

(01:11:15):
killed any of that organic material it's on the surface
of the paint. It might be worth getting some advice
as to whether or not you need to apply if
typically you can overcoat within a certain period of time,
but if that time has extended out too long there
might be a benefit. And then applying a primer that

(01:11:35):
will key into the surface so that your top coated
hair is properly that would be worth.

Speaker 18 (01:11:42):
Actually, yeah, and then from what when Jay was talking
about the based prime so apply.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
Because no, possibly not. I mean, I know, for example,
you will often use pigmented seala on beer masonry. The
fact that's already been coated and has you know, so
you've got the masonry or the semititious material, then you've
got a paint finish, and now you're applying over the top.
Certainly you could go back to the manufacturers. You could

(01:12:11):
go to Razine Construction and see because they have similar products,
they might be able to give you some advice on that.
But I would highly recommend getting some advice from either
the manufacturer or someone who's really experienced in it, just
to make sure that you're using the right system and
that you're not inadvertently having compatibility issues that is going

(01:12:34):
to cause a paint failure in the future.

Speaker 8 (01:12:38):
Yeah. Yeah, that's why.

Speaker 18 (01:12:40):
Called talking to you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
There's a bit of work to do.

Speaker 18 (01:12:43):
I mean, it's going to be a cheery thicker I
think for some of it because it's kind of vehicle
axis too at the sione that's can't leave it out. Wow,
okay under the house, you know sort of, so you
want to be able to move it as well. Okay,
but we've got the original plans too, so there's definitely
a color code, so we should a.

Speaker 3 (01:13:05):
Well, that'll that'll help. Good luck take care of it there.
All right, all the this see, we're going to take
another break and then Maverick, we'll be talking to you
in just a moment. Right. I mentioned Jay, our painting expert.
We were both at Construct on Thursday, which was also
the venue for the practical challenge for the Apprentice of
the Year. This is the carpentry Apprentice of the Year.

(01:13:28):
And I mentioned I've went to the gala dinner was
introduced to the young man Hunter who is the Apprentice
of the Year. We'll actually get him on the show
next week and talk to him about what he's doing
and what he hopes to do in the future. Outstanding
young man. Actually, all of the people that were there
were you know, we often get that sort of vision
of maybe young people and we tune into the news

(01:13:50):
so much and so on, and it can get a
bit doubt disheartening. Let's say, I'll tell you what. Everyone
that I saw up on that stage and competing eight men,
one young woman just fantastic young people. You know the
fact that they've chosen to be carpenter as that sets
them above everybody else anyway, But they were just fantastic.

(01:14:11):
And then they had some past winners as well in
regional finalists and that who got up to talk about
where they'd gone to, you know, in their careers and
again motivated, enthusiastic, engaged, active, you know, just fantastic to
see young people like that getting a little bit of attention,
which I thought was fantastic, Right, Maverick, talk to me, Hello.

Speaker 9 (01:14:34):
Hello, can you hear me?

Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
I sure can go for it.

Speaker 9 (01:14:37):
Okay, I've got a good mate down south of Auckland.
I can't tell you where as well, south of Auckland,
and about ten years ago, he bought a property beer
Land except for an old wolfshed and planted out with
three other fruit trees. He's an ecologist, prima closure guy
and also a lanscape architect and very clever guy. So

(01:15:00):
he converted the woolshed and into a well for his
Family's got a beautiful white and three young daughters and
did a stunning job. It's only fifty square meters, but
he's worked out space savings, et cetera. And all the
time he approached council to get compliance, but for whatever reason,

(01:15:26):
they kept changing the rules and after years and years
and years of trying, he gave up and told him
never to cast a shadow on his property again, which
was a mistake in hindfight. Was now the council. After
years and years of fighting them and him fighting back
with interest, they've got a court order from the local

(01:15:46):
district court to demolish his house.

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
At the very beginning of that process, did he get
a building consent for the conversion of effectively a farm
building into a habitable space into a home.

Speaker 9 (01:16:03):
I honestly don't know, Pete, I don't know all right.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
There could be a couple of things going on. One
of them is that he didn't and maybe he got
some advice that he didn't need to get a building
consent for that. If it's work, it's been done in
the last twenty twenty five years. It has always required
a building consent. So if he went ahead and did
the conversion and didn't get a building consent, then yeah,
the building is going to be deemed to be non

(01:16:31):
compliant unless he can prove a certificate of acceptance. But
the burden of proof for that is nowadays equal to
your building consent, and he would have to prove compliance
with a building code for you know, just a myriad
of things. And if he's dug his toes in with
counsel and doesn't want to play that game, then and

(01:16:53):
he's managed to get offside with counsel, which sounds like
he has, then counsel will push for an enforcement and
say you can't live in that dwelling and that dwell
and because it's unlikely that you'll move out of it
and not go back into it, where going to push hard. Personally,
I think it's a tremendous waste of time and energy
for counsel to be pursuing this, and it would have

(01:17:15):
cost hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees. So
I don't like to see our ratepayers money being spent
on this sort of thing. But it would seem that,
you know, let's assume that counsel are being lawful and
that somewhere along the line, unfortunately what he's done has
been unlawful.

Speaker 9 (01:17:34):
And he's applied to a CoA over a year ago
and they refuse to accept his submission. They don't want
to know that they've got a vendetta against them because
he's one of these guys.

Speaker 3 (01:17:47):
That, yeah, and look good on him for standing up
to the man, and you know, I'm all for that, right,
but you know, he's also got to prove compliance. Now,
if counsel decide that they won't accept his submission, then
perhaps he needs to get some advice from some one
who will go into bat for him. So maybe a

(01:18:08):
building surveyor or a building scientist who can then argue
on his behalf. If he's just said to them, hey, look,
the building's fine, give me a CEO A. They're not
going to do that. But if he can prove compliance,
and then you know, if if counsel and look, councils
can be unreasonable right, and councils have been challenged by
people who have got determinations from himby and have been

(01:18:31):
found to have acted incorrectly. So he could go down
that path, but he needs to then get you know,
a building expert, like a surveyor on his side to
help with that battle.

Speaker 9 (01:18:44):
The problem is they will not accept any submission from
them whatsoever. It's offered every possibility to the Delah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
That sounds unreasonable.

Speaker 9 (01:18:58):
Yeah, totally, and he is stressed for the MAXI is
a bloody good guy.

Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
Yeah, look, I do just quickly because we're going to
run into the news. You know, maybe it's worth talking
to like a council, like an elected representative, or possibly
even to your MP to at least stave it off,
because you know, I think it's unjustified for counsel to
come in and just demand that they're going to demolish

(01:19:25):
the house. That seems excessive and an abusive power. Frankly,
so could you yeah, well it may well be. Can
you let us know how you get on with that
or how you make it gets on and appreciate the call.
We're back after the news at eight o'clock. Well, welcome
back to the program. At Pete wolf Camp's my name.
This is the resident builder. On Sunday, we'll talk all
things building in construction and just a moment just prior

(01:19:49):
to the news, Maverick was talking about the situation that
his mates got into where council have decided to enforce
a sort of non compliance order by demolishing the guy's house.
And I agree with this text that came through the
guy about his friends dwelling. Sounds very upset. Understandably, even
if it's noncom client, to demolish it as ridiculous. Go
and see the local MP to see if they can

(01:20:10):
help and mediate it. If it's perfectly livable, I mean,
if it is liverable, he needs to get compliance for it.
That's fair enough. But to enforce a demolition order does
seem vindictive, doesn't it?

Speaker 19 (01:20:21):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:20:21):
Oh, we are going to be talking to rud climb
Past at around eight point thirty this morning. We'll take
your calls between now and then. It is seven after eight.
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(01:20:42):
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Speaker 16 (01:21:06):
How are you now?

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
I'm very well, thank you. Now, key advantages for you
guys moving to jframe.

Speaker 10 (01:21:14):
Oh, look, there's three big advantages for us. First of all,
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Speaker 7 (01:21:56):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:21:57):
Jframe has been around since two thousand and six. When
did Skyline Buildings start using it?

Speaker 10 (01:22:03):
Well, look, we were made aware of it from Buddings
in about twenty thirteen and they strongly recommend They've been
using it themselves in different areas and they recommend that
we change over. And look, it was one of the
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(01:22:23):
popular with our distributors, with our builders, they don't want
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Speaker 3 (01:22:30):
So in terms of that transition, any challenges if any
for Skyline when you moved to J frame and the
outcome has sounds like it has been positive.

Speaker 17 (01:22:40):
Oh, look we've.

Speaker 10 (01:22:43):
No challenges. No, Look, I mean the comment that we've
heard initially was that the timber is incredibly hard and
unfortunately you have people they use nail guns.

Speaker 8 (01:22:53):
What have you.

Speaker 10 (01:22:53):
But look, I would wouldn't end be anyone wanting to
put a garage together with a hammer and nail.

Speaker 8 (01:22:58):
But that's a positive.

Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
Hey, And what's really important for you. Jframe contributes to
weather resistance. So how does that impact for your business
given that many of your products are transported, don't they.

Speaker 10 (01:23:13):
They are indeed, And look if you see a Skyland building,
the Skyland garage, it looks I suppose when in transport,
they look like a pack of timber covered with plastic
cheating over the top of it. And look at the
absorption of moisture is particularly where our garages go. They
go from you know deep in to the South Island

(01:23:34):
all the way up to the throughous parts of the
North Island. Yeah, whether the absorption of water and moisture
is very important while it makes it back and credibly
be to transport and also it's not very good for
the for the structure itself. So no, no, Since we've
gone to j Frame, it has been absolutely fantastic and

(01:23:54):
I think doesn't absorb the moisture like other timbers.

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Yeah, really important for the core part of your business.
People will be i think surprised by the range of products.
So I'd encourage you to check out Skyline Buildings at
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Jframe go to Janel dot Co dot m said Chris,
thanks very much for joining us this morning.

Speaker 10 (01:24:17):
Oh absolute pleasure, Peter.

Speaker 3 (01:24:19):
News dogs'd be news dogs. He'd be eleven minutes after
eight eight hundred eighty ten eighty is then number to call.
Raywan A very good morning to you.

Speaker 13 (01:24:28):
Oh good morning, Pete. I've got well, it's probably not
my problem because I live in a retirement village. But
I noticed of probably a couple of months ago now
or more, notice this brown mark on the carpet between
the bathroom and the living area. And so I got
the village village assistant guy to come and have a lock,

(01:24:50):
and he pulled the carpet away and it was all
moldy under there, all MOLDI along the well on the underlay,
and a piece of what appears to be a wooden strip,
and then you can see down to the concrete. And
so he drives do all up and we've been just checking,
but they don't know where it's coming from. And I

(01:25:11):
don't know if it's still leaking, because I've given up
looking at it every time I have a shower.

Speaker 3 (01:25:15):
So where do you see the evidence of moisture and grease?
So the brown standing is it inside the bathroom or
in an adjoining room.

Speaker 13 (01:25:25):
There's no evidence of any They thought it was water
running down from the shower across the fine I said,
I would notice it it was running, I'd see it,
and so there's not. And then they thought it was
a drip from the shower door. But the shower door,
the way it hangs, it drips inside inside the power.
So they're just they just bewildered at what caused it.

(01:25:46):
If it is caused by a leak under the tiles,
then they'd have to dig all the tiles up and
I have to move out, but for a while. But
I just thought you you may have any other suggestions.
It's checked that my son is a builder, and he's
suggested looking up in the manhole in the adjoining bedroom
see there's anything coming through through the walls. But they

(01:26:08):
didn't see anything up there.

Speaker 3 (01:26:09):
Do you know if there's an isolation valve for the
water just to your.

Speaker 13 (01:26:14):
Unit, Yeah, there would be. There would be to turn
the water off on the outside.

Speaker 3 (01:26:22):
That's what I'm thinking, just sometimes. You know, obviously we
can get leaks from that are active because it's coming
from the pipework, and the simplest way to identify that
is to be able to turn the water off and
then see whether or not the meter continues to run, right.

Speaker 8 (01:26:37):
So sorry, the meta.

Speaker 13 (01:26:40):
I don't know whether there's a meta there that'll be.

Speaker 3 (01:26:43):
The hard thing, or potentially be able to isolate the
water and see whether the patch goes away, or if
it's an issue worth waterproofing or selant around the bathroom.
You know, maybe the waterproofing has been compromised and water's
getting in behind. Is it tiles on the floor and
tiles on the wall.

Speaker 13 (01:27:02):
Yeah, Yeah, it's just really strange. There's no evidence of
any water on the floor that could be going that way,
and it's just really strange. And they blamed the dog first,
but the dogs doesn't weed there, right, But come inside
after I've been away for a day or something and
I've come in in the house of smell or meat

(01:27:23):
or denk and must and I didn't know it was
there then, So it's obvious it's just leaked further and
further up into the carpet and made the carpets round
them right dark. It's not hideous or anything, but it's there.

Speaker 3 (01:27:38):
Yeah, And I think you know, often we sort of
are alerted to what the interior environment of our buildings
is like is when we do go away for a
couple of days and then there's that feeling when you
that smell really open the door and suddenly go, yeah,
it feels you know, I can tell that the house
has been locked up, so there's obviously issues with moisture

(01:27:59):
or humidity inside the building. Look, I mean the great
thing is that, ultimately, I assume you've got a lice,
it's to occupy rather than owning the building, in which
case the person who administers the license is responsible for it.
And it's just a question of kind of putting your
hands on your hips and going I need you to
sort this out, and I need you to sort out
now because ultimately it isn't actually your problem, it's theirs.

Speaker 13 (01:28:22):
That's right, I think.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
Pay good luck with it all, Okay, thank you all
the best, and Bruce, a very good morning to you.

Speaker 5 (01:28:32):
Hello, Bruce, good morning to you.

Speaker 16 (01:28:35):
Peter, good morning, and just listening to your program, you're
like an alarm clock from listen to it, Peter, and
reply to a question one of your listeners had about
flattening under I just this little point and I've experienced

(01:29:00):
it on a new build, is that it's the plastic
and I assume got metal facia around their home. It's
the meta if the protection plastic hasn't been pulled off
cleanly on the facia and there's a line of it's

(01:29:21):
still left on the top of a facia, that that
if it's not torn cleanly and not taken all off,
that can be caught because of the of the flapping
now so much so the client said to us on
several occasions and we could never work this one out,

(01:29:43):
that they've actually got a screaming noise and we had
to get it in an I'm in Canterbury and it
generally happened in a northwest wind and the flapping actually
developed into a high pitch streaming noise. Just an example.
I don't know quite a few of my generation, but

(01:30:03):
as kids, we used to get sort of a wide
lead piece of grass, put it between our thumbs and
blow it and it was like a whistle and that
that's what the problem was. And it actually was quite
a big problem for the facial contractor to do to
remove that because the spouting had to be disconnected to

(01:30:24):
get at it to pull it off. So that's what
we found.

Speaker 3 (01:30:31):
Are your web, Big Peter, sometimes It is just the
little things that kind of come back and trip us up.
Isn't it worth building? You go, Okay, I'm just going
to peel that protective wrap off and where it rolls
around the top edge of the facia, no one can
see it. I'll leave it on there. It's fiddly to
get off, and then you know suddenly you're back a
year later, spending hours and hours and hours and maybe

(01:30:54):
having the big scaffolding, et cetera, et cetera. So attention
to detail is always the key. Bruce really appreciate the call.
A couple of people have texted with regard to that
demolition order. Obviously there's slowly more to the story, but
it would be interesting to know more about that. But look,
I don't think anyone would disagree and say it does
seem to be an extraordinary heavy handed gesture to go

(01:31:17):
and do that. Also, just on the leaking in the shower, Hey, Pete,
we had a leak in our shower and it was
told that we had to pay for anything internal in
a retirement village. So I would have thought that's a
little bit unfair. I mean, in the end, you didn't
do the building, your work, that was done by the
retirement village owner. Certainly, if it was a lack of maintenance,

(01:31:40):
let's say that there was a reasonable expectation that you
would do certain tasks in order to prevent mold growth
or something like that. I can understand that. But if
it's an issue with waterproofing or workmanship of pipework and
so on, how can that be your responsibility? But I
appreciate the text on that as well. Radio we will

(01:32:00):
remember we've got Red Climb passed. At around eight thirty
this morning. We'll talk to him, definitely going to ask
about artillery fungus. It's going to be the best name
for a plant or an organism ever. It's remarkable, So
we talk about that. But your opportunity to talk to
route from eight thirty. Will come back with a couple
more calls in just a moment, right, Oh, last couple

(01:32:22):
of calls for the morning on building Dave, Good morning.

Speaker 19 (01:32:26):
Good morning, Pete. I have a problem in my kitchen.
You know, it's all tile floor were they've done and
we've got an island. We have done the cutout for
the dishwasher. The tile cracked, we have covered out. It's
about one hundred mill wide. So we've got a guy
into to repair it. And when he went to repair it,

(01:32:48):
we've got the water pipe going out. He put a
hole in the water pile.

Speaker 9 (01:32:53):
Yep.

Speaker 19 (01:32:54):
But you know, like now it's it's cracked again, and
the tile in front of it is actually cracked as well,
and we're going to walk around on the tile floor.
There's a sort of making noise when I stand on
quite a few of the tiles which they're not fixed down,
so I'm a bit worried about it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:16):
The challenge is that if for example, the substrate is
not well fixed down or possibly an and that could
be like if you look at the building code today,
if we're going to do tiles in a bathroom, we
need to set our choice out at four hundred centers
and we need to nog at four hundred centers right,

(01:33:36):
so it's a massive amount of timber. Then we put
down a substrate which might be a treated ply, it
might be a five or cement sheet, et cetera, et cetera,
and then eventually we put our tiles on it. Now,
what I'm thinking is that in your situation, an existing
building that's had tiles applied down over the floor joice
might be at six hundred centers nogging at two meter centers.

(01:33:58):
There's a certain amount of flexibility in there, which in
some case, if you choose the right adhesive I a
flexible one rather and a rigid one, it'll take up
a little bit of that and the tiles will be okay.
So it might be a problem from when the tiles
were installed that's causing the issue today, and it's been

(01:34:19):
exacerbated by the fact that you've had to cut into
tiles and loading it up with a dishwasher and so on.
So it could be a slightly bigger problem than just
one or two tiles would be my conserner.

Speaker 19 (01:34:30):
Yeah, the thing is there is a concrete floor in
the nise.

Speaker 3 (01:34:35):
Oh it is on a concrete slab.

Speaker 19 (01:34:38):
There's a concrete slab.

Speaker 3 (01:34:39):
Okay, all right, well then that's hopefully that's not years old.

Speaker 19 (01:34:43):
Yep, it's fifteen years old sort of thing. So I'm
not sure what what I can do about it, you know,
like with all these when you walk around, you know
and hear a sort of clicking noise on quite a
few of the tiles around the on the floor, is it?
I know, you can get a flexible ceiling to put
it down or a hard one.

Speaker 3 (01:35:03):
You wouldn't well, I mean, look again potentially and maybe
there's been a bit of moisture that's got through the
tiles and so on, and what you're starting to see
is the tiles reaching the end of their sort of
workable life that they're starting to delaminate. The adhesive is
coming off, and really the solution, thankfully you've got a
concrete slab. If you needed to, you get in there,

(01:35:26):
chisel off all of the old tiles completely, maybe waterproof
the slab a little bit more, use the right adhesive,
so the right system all the way from bear concrete
up and then replace all of the tiles. But that's
a much bigger job than just you know, one or two. Yeah,
it's yeah, yeah, I know, I know. Maybe instead of

(01:35:48):
like you know, as trades people were often involved in
working in other people's trades, right, But I wonder whether
it might be worthwhile getting an experienced tiler. So if
you go somewhere like tile Space, go down to the
back to the trade depot and go look, I need
someone in the local area to come and just do
an assessment. They might come and just see whether it's
drum me or whatever and give you some advice. Maybe

(01:36:09):
it's repairable, maybe it's not. But I think talking to
a professional tiler is probably not a bad option at
the stage.

Speaker 19 (01:36:16):
Yeah, that's that's a good idea.

Speaker 3 (01:36:18):
Good luck with that. All the very best to you,
Take care and don it very quickly. Good morning to you.

Speaker 11 (01:36:24):
Good morning. I have I'm an o rental property. I've
only been here for nearly three months, and I've noticed
that some of the floors, particularly where heavy things, are
starting to sort of slop. Should I be worried about it?

Speaker 3 (01:36:38):
Well, your landlord should because it's your landlord's.

Speaker 5 (01:36:41):
Asset, So yeah, I know.

Speaker 11 (01:36:43):
But should I be pushing like I've been told? If
I'm not dripping over.

Speaker 3 (01:36:46):
It, it's not a problem, okay, right, okay.

Speaker 11 (01:36:51):
Yeah, So we're like in the spare room where there's
a heavy dressing table in the bed it's and the kitchen.
It was fine when I came in, but now that
I've put things in the cupboard and used the dishwasher
right where the fridge is.

Speaker 3 (01:37:03):
Yeah, presume it's a timber floor and it's elevated.

Speaker 7 (01:37:05):
I'm not.

Speaker 11 (01:37:07):
It's got lemmet over it, But I don't know what's underneath.

Speaker 3 (01:37:10):
Right, if you walk around the outside of the house, though,
a floor level up a little bit or is it
quite the ground, it's up a bit, it's up it Okay,
So let's assume that it's a timber floor. You know,
I'm sure within your circle of frenzy might be a
carpenter or a builder who might just come and look underneath.
Possibly there's some sbsidence in the building, in which case,

(01:37:32):
you know, you could say to the landlord, look, I
think and it's in your own interests to come and
have a lock. Maybe the landlord doesn't care. The other
thing that can happen is, you know, if it's a
building of it's in vintage, the particle board might be
starting to sort of decay a little bit, in which
case I've seen that where let's say you put a
heavy weight in the middle, in the between the span

(01:37:54):
of the joist right, so the particle board might span
six hundred You put the edge of a dresser, for example,
the feet of addresser in the middle of that, and
it can over time cause that to sag if it's
old particle board, So there might be a little bit
of that, or there's just like I say general subsidence, but.

Speaker 11 (01:38:12):
Think it's the nineteen fifties or nineteen sixty.

Speaker 3 (01:38:15):
You know, it is incredibly rare for buildings to actually collapse.
I know we're worried about it all the time, but
it's incredibly rare. So if you're thinking, gosh, is this
slope going to accelerate to the point where it's going
to collapse, I would be unbelievably surprised if that was
the case. Is it annoying? Yeah, maybe it is. You know,
if you feel that it's unsafe, then go back to

(01:38:36):
the landlord. Otherwise I guess you've done what you need
to do as a responsible tenant. Hey, I'd like to
draw this to your attention. If the landlord doesn't care
about their asset, well, unfortunately that's their problem. Yeah, yeah,
all the very best to take care there. You can
do the old marble track, you know, to determine how
much slope there is on a floor. You figure out

(01:38:56):
where you think the high point is, but the marble
down and see where it rolls. That'll soon tell you
what the slope's like. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
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(01:40:28):
on Building Dave, Good morning.

Speaker 19 (01:40:31):
Good morning Pete. I have a problem in my kitchen.
You know, it's all tile floor with they've done and
we've got an island. We have done the cutout for
the dishwasher. The tile cracked, we have covered out. It's
about one hundred mill wide. So we've got a guy
into to repair it. And when he went to repair it,

(01:40:53):
we've got the water pipe going out. He put a
hole in the water pole.

Speaker 3 (01:40:58):
Yep.

Speaker 19 (01:40:59):
But you know, like now it's it's cracked again and
the tile in front of it is actually as well,
and we're going to walk around on the tile floor.
There's a sort of clicking noise when I stand on
quite a few of the tiles which they're not fixed down,
so I'm a bit worried about it.

Speaker 3 (01:41:21):
The challenge is that if, for example, the substrate is
not well fixed down or possibly and that could be
like if you look at the building code today, if
we're going to do tiles in a bathroom, we need
to set our choice out at four hundred centers and
we need to nog at four hundred centers right, So

(01:41:42):
it's a massive amount of timber. Then we put down
a substrate, which might be a treated ply, it might
be a five or cement sheet, et cetera, et cetera,
and then eventually we put our tiles on it. Now,
what I'm thinking is that in your situation, an existing
building that's had tiles applied down over the floor Joyce
might be at six hundred centers nogging at two meter centers.

(01:42:03):
There's a certain amount of flexibility in there, which in
some case if you choose the right adhesive, a flexible
one rather than a rigid one, it'll take up a
little bit of that and the tiles will be okay.
So it might be a problem from when the tiles
were installed that's causing the issue today, and it's been

(01:42:24):
exacerbated by the fact that you've had to cut into
tiles and loading it up with a dishwasher and so on.
So it could be a slightly bigger problem than just
one or two tiles would be my concern.

Speaker 19 (01:42:36):
Yes, the thing is a concrete floor in the nise.

Speaker 3 (01:42:41):
Well, it is on a concrete slab.

Speaker 19 (01:42:43):
There's a concrete slab, okay, all.

Speaker 3 (01:42:45):
Right, Well, then hopefully that's not moving years old.

Speaker 19 (01:42:48):
Yep, it's fifteen years old sort of thing. So I'm
not sure what what I can do about it with
all these When you walk around, you know, and hear
a sort of clicking noise on quite a few of
the tiles around the on the floor that I know
you can get a flexible it put it down, or
a hard one.

Speaker 3 (01:43:09):
You wouldn't well, I mean, look again potentially and maybe
there's been a bit of moisture that's got through the
tiles and so on, and what you're starting to see
is the tiles reaching the end of their sort of
workable life that they're starting to delaminate. The adhesive is
coming off, and really the solution, thankfully, you've got a
concrete slab. If you needed to, you get in there,

(01:43:31):
chisel off all of the old tiles completely, maybe waterproof
the slab a little bit more, use the right adhesive,
so the right system all the way from bear concrete up,
and then replace all of the tiles. But that's a
much bigger job than just you know, one or two. Yeah,
it's a yeah, yeah, I know, I know. Maybe instead

(01:43:53):
of like you know, as trades people were often involved
in working in other people's trades, right, But I wonder
whether it might be worthwhile getting an experienced tiler. So
if you go somewhere like tile Space, go down to
the back to the trade depot and go, look, I
need someone in the local area to come and just
do an assessment. They might come and just see whether
it's drummy or whatever and give you some advice. Maybe

(01:44:14):
it's repairable, maybe it's not. But I think talking to
a professional tyler is probably not a bad option at
the stage.

Speaker 19 (01:44:21):
Yeah, that's that's a good idea.

Speaker 3 (01:44:23):
Good luck with that. All the very best to you,
Take care and don it very quickly. Good morning to you.

Speaker 11 (01:44:29):
Good morning. I have I'm an o rental property. I've
only been here for nearly three months, and I've noticed
that some of the floors, particularly where heavy things, are
putting the sort of slop. Should I be worried about it?

Speaker 3 (01:44:43):
Well, your landlord should because it's your landlord's asset.

Speaker 11 (01:44:46):
So yeah, I know. But should I be pushing like
I've been told? If I'm not dripping over it, it's
not a problem, okay, right, okay, Yeah, So it's we're
like in the spare room where there's a heavy dressing
table and the bed. It's in the kitchen. It was
fine when I came in, but now that I've put
things in the cupboard and used the dish right.

Speaker 7 (01:45:07):
Where the fridge is.

Speaker 3 (01:45:08):
Yeah, presume it's a timber floor and it's elevated.

Speaker 11 (01:45:11):
I'm not it's got lemit over it, but I don't
know what's underneath.

Speaker 3 (01:45:15):
Right, if you walk around the outside of the house, though,
a floor level up a little bit or is it
quite the ground, it's up a bit, it's up it. Okay,
So let's assume that it's a timber floor. You know,
I'm sure within your circle of frenzy might be a
carpenter or a builder who might just come and look underneath.
Possibly there's some subsidence in the building, in which case,

(01:45:37):
you know, you could say to the landlord, look, I
think and it's in your own interests to come and
have a lock. Maybe the landlord doesn't care. The other
thing that can happen is, you know, if it's a
building of it's in vintage, the particle board might be
starting to sort of decay a little bit, in which
case I've seen that where let's say you put a
heavy weight in the middle in the between the span

(01:46:00):
of the joist right so the particle board might span
six hundred. You put the edge of a dresser, for example,
the heat of addresser in the middle of that, and
it can over time cause that to sag if it's
older particle board. So there might be a little bit
of that, or there's just like I say, general subsidence, but.

Speaker 11 (01:46:17):
I think it's the nineteen fifties or nineteen sixties place.

Speaker 3 (01:46:20):
You know, it is incredibly rare for buildings to actually collapse.
I know we're worried about it all the time, but
it's incredibly rare. So if you're thinking, gosh, is this
slope going to accelerate to the point where it's going
to collapse, I would be unbelievably surprised if that was
the case. Is it annoying? Yeah, maybe it is. You know,
if you feel that it's unsafe, then go back to

(01:46:41):
the landlord. Otherwise I guess you've done what you need
to do as a responsible tenant. Hey, I'd like to
draw this to your attention. If the landlord doesn't care
about their asset, well, unfortunately that's their problem. Yeah, yeah,
all the very best to take care by there. You
can do the old marble track, you know, to determine
how much slope there is on a floor. You figure
out where you think the high point is. Put the

(01:47:03):
marble down and see where it rolls. That'll soon tell
you what's slopes like, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
Let us get into the is that a terrible pun
let us? If we're talking about gardening, let us get
into the garden with a rid climb pass in just
a money right red climb pass.

Speaker 20 (01:47:18):
Good morning, sir, A very good morning to you, pierrero
Are you all good?

Speaker 3 (01:47:23):
Yeah, very well, thank you, now right, But we've got
a whole boarder of calls. But artillery fungus, shotgun fungus,
tell me.

Speaker 20 (01:47:32):
It's it is actually a fungus that lives that originates
from mulch in the garden, if you like. So, if
you've got a lot of mulch there, there's a fungus
if you like, that wants to spread its spores literally
by shooting it into the quite a long way, usually
to something with a light colored surface. It has deliberately, yes,

(01:47:58):
because that's probably the best way for the fungal spores
to actually germinate. Okay, so so it knows where your
carriers back.

Speaker 3 (01:48:07):
Wow, I love it.

Speaker 20 (01:48:10):
I've ever got my car before too.

Speaker 3 (01:48:12):
And and so that's.

Speaker 20 (01:48:14):
Basically how it works. So it's it's it's in a
fungus that occurs in New Zealand, and it hasn't it
hasn't a wonderful name. Actually it's sphere o bolus stellatus,
which means it's it's aiming at things, you know, like
literally like an artillery.

Speaker 7 (01:48:30):
What can you do?

Speaker 20 (01:48:31):
Well? The first thing is, if you have this stuff
in your in your mulch, try using pine mulch. I
understand that pine mulch is not that good for that
particular fungus. That's number one. Number two, try wet and forget.
It's really hard to get rid of by the way,
try wet and forget. You never know if that's going
to work that out. Otherwise you use some nice warm

(01:48:55):
look warm water or warm water. Maybe what can you
put into it? Oh gosh, maybe some soap and things
like that. But it's pretty hard to get out of
there actually, to be quite honest, it's really hard.

Speaker 12 (01:49:12):
That was what you know.

Speaker 3 (01:49:13):
The original question was around sort of the durability, right,
the persistence of this growth, and that in some cases
someone had had it on weatherboards and then trying to
get it off with the boards. Now, the other comment
just very quickly. I don't want to take too much
of your time, but it was about a caller said,
it's moths that were leaving like a shell casing on

(01:49:35):
the exterior of the weatherboard that was also incredibly difficult
to get off.

Speaker 20 (01:49:40):
Oh, don't think so. I know they can lay their
eggs on surfaces like that, and they but especially once
they hatch, they will be kay. I've also heard of
spiderwebe's and I call them websites now, kids love that
I call them anyway, those websites. But the moths egg
cases as well. Yes, it's you need to be very careful,

(01:50:03):
you know. With paint, you've got to you can't craper
too much because you can damage you know what I mean. Yeah,
but it's stuff like that. It'll come off, and so
will that artillery fungus, but it can take quite a.

Speaker 3 (01:50:16):
Long time, right, and a lot of elbow grease.

Speaker 20 (01:50:19):
But I think it's so cool of nature of these things.

Speaker 3 (01:50:23):
Yes, it's so exciting. Well, I don't want it, but
the fact that it's out there is awesome. Right, Let's
rip into a few calls. Errol, A very good.

Speaker 6 (01:50:31):
Morning, Good morning to you, Rude. I've got a problem
with a plum tree. It's about three years old. Last
year we only got one plumb off it. I've sprayed
it during winter with two lots of copper and now

(01:50:52):
we've got plums on there, but some of them look
like they've got a punch out. They've gone flat.

Speaker 3 (01:50:59):
Ah, yes, I know what you mean.

Speaker 20 (01:51:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh that is bladder plum
and I think you should have had some if you like,
some fungal material on there. Yes, actually bladder plum. If
you want to google it, you can do that yourself.
It's it's I think you need some fungicide before there's

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Those plums are starting to ripen, and I think some
of that could from memory. It might have something to
do with spraying it in autumn time as well. I'll
have to look that up to be quite honest, Errol,
I haven't seen it for a while, and it's famous
on certain plum species. The fact that you have few
plums could something could be something to do with the

(01:51:44):
fact that you might need a pollinator.

Speaker 6 (01:51:47):
Does that makes sense, Yeah, yeah, So have have another.

Speaker 20 (01:51:51):
Have another plump tree nearby that will that will so
you get to cross pollination and that gives you a
lot more fruit this year.

Speaker 6 (01:51:59):
There are there are quite a few other plums there,
but there there are the flat one as well.

Speaker 3 (01:52:07):
So yeah, there later.

Speaker 20 (01:52:09):
Okay, in that case, it might not be that problem,
but bladder bloom certainly is. And it's it's a it's
a it's a lovely it's a strange look.

Speaker 12 (01:52:18):
Isn't it.

Speaker 8 (01:52:19):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:52:20):
Yeah, Will it go away or will it just continue?
Or is it doing any damage to the tree?

Speaker 20 (01:52:28):
Or let me have a look in the head break
to see what I can do with leader plum for you,
and I'll let you know as soon as I find out.
I'll just quickly google that.

Speaker 6 (01:52:38):
Okay, thank you very much, No worries.

Speaker 3 (01:52:41):
Take one quick call from UK good morning to UK.

Speaker 21 (01:52:45):
Good morning, gentlemen. I have a bee well kind of problem.
I've got bumblebees coming into my nice flairy gun. But
now I've noticed they come have come to the little
vent in the Omoru stone at the base where there's
like a little earth wire and the gap, and they're

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just coming in busifusly, you know, I do all the bees,
but should I be doing something about it or can
we just enjoy them.

Speaker 20 (01:53:15):
Last week I've been working at the school in Tecpo
where we are going to put bee bumblebee nest boxes
up and also the right plants to get bumblebees back
into Tachapo. And there's four species in New Zealand and
they want to do something about a really rare species that,
by the way, is no.

Speaker 3 (01:53:33):
Extinct in the UK.

Speaker 20 (01:53:36):
But bumblebees. The nests themselves in your wall usually are
of no concern to your house or to the bees
or anything else, and it might be just a wonderful
place for them to live and pollinate your all your
plants in the garden. I don't think they are of
any concern for you whatsoever.

Speaker 21 (01:53:56):
Oh, thank you very much, we'll enjoy them.

Speaker 3 (01:53:58):
Thank you, Bye bye all UK. Take care.

Speaker 20 (01:54:03):
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says if you want a Clark Cultivator whenin seven days
of saying of getting hold of them on their website
Clark Cultivator dot co do and zaid you're tell them
you've heard this and you can get a reduced price

(01:54:23):
on the Clark Cultivator and that actually might come in
really handy as a Christmas present, just saying.

Speaker 3 (01:54:30):
That's right, suddenly we're all thinking about that. You can
find them online. Just look for Clark Cultivator. It'll come up.
No trouble at all. Right, we'll take a break. We'll
talk to Diane in just a moment moment for more.

Speaker 1 (01:54:40):
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