The Resident Builder podcast: November 24, 2024

This week on the show, ZB's Resident Builder Pete Wolfkamp discusses the latest issues impacting the world of construction - and answers questions!

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Resident build Up podcast with Peter
Wolfcamp from News Talks at Bay.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
The house is a hole, even when it's dark, even
when the grass is overglown in.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
The yard, and even when the dog.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Is too old to bar, and when you're sitting at
the table trying not to stop scissor home, even when
we leave a band gone, even when you're there alone.

(00:54):
A house is a hole, even when those goes, even when.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
You got around from the world you love, your most.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Screaming pains being in fund.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
Locals Lisa, when they're gone.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Leaving the house, even when weilbra bene, even when you're
in there, loone.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
Well, a very good morning, and welcome along to the
Resident Builder on Sunday. You're with Pete wolf Camp. That's me,
the Resident Builder, and well, to be blunt, we're here
to talk about your place. So if there's a squeaky door,
which there is at my place, there's a crack in
the window sill, which there is at my place, whether
there's maybe some spouting that I need to address, all

(01:57):
of these things. If it's happening at my place, chances
are it's happening at your place as well. And we
can talk about it, but more importantly, perhaps I can
give you a bit of guidance as to how to
tackle the project, the scope of the project, or maybe
even what happens if you don't do the project. So
the lines are open. The number to call is oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. You can text as well,

(02:19):
so you're off the blocks very quickly. Text coming in
before the show starts, which is awesome. Nine to two
nine two is the text number, and if you'd like
to email me, it's Pete at newstalksb dot co dot
m Z. So we're fast approaching crikey at the end
of November already December, lou Well. Next Sunday will be

(02:40):
the first of December. Already, Christmas is not that far away,
and typically you know, in terms of what we do
around the house, we're starting to either think about trying
to get some jobs done before Christmas, so that classic
Christmas rush. If you talk to trades people, they pack
up on this at different times in the year. You know,
if things are good, if things are buoyant, let's say,

(03:02):
people tradinges will often talk about the Christmas rush starting
and sort of September October. If it's not so buoyant,
then maybe the Christmas rush in November. And if it's
really grim out there, well the Christmas rush just doesn't
come at all, and there's not that pressure to get
things done. But if you've got a project that you'd
like to get sorted out prior to Christmas, might be

(03:25):
some tidying up of a deck or adding a deck,
might be a couple of projects inside the house, whatever
it is that's going on at your place. From a
building construction legislative point of view, we can talk all
things building and construction. Just briefly. I had the privilege
actually of an m seeing in a dinner last night.

(03:47):
The dinner was to celebrate forty years of clear Water Construction,
reasonably large firm in the Auckland area. They're active and
actually they're active around the country as well, and so
you know, forty years of any business in New Zealand
is worth celebrating. Forty years in the construction sect sets
them aside from a number of companies that come and go.

(04:11):
So it was a tremendous quite sincerely trimming this honor
on my part to be invited to MC and to
be part of the festivities and part of the celebration,
and it was a tremendous night. So I really appreciated
that it did go on a little bit longer. As
an MC, I wasn't particularly good at keeping things on time,
which is not that great from my point of view.

(04:33):
But there was a lot to talk about, and there
was a lot of people that wanted to catch up,
and in this instance being able to invite back the
very first apprentice of clear Water Construction from forty years
ago and some of the first employees and people have
been with the firm for thirty years. That says a
lot about the company as well. So it was a

(04:54):
great night out. It just mean I got a home
a little bit later, and after a reasonably busy day.
I sound a little bit tired today. There's a reason
for that. Not to worry. I'm looking forward to it.
I do every Sunday to share some insights, to share
some of my passion basically for building and construction. So
we'll talk all things building in construction. We are out

(05:16):
of here a little bit early this morning, as it
was last week before the All Blacks played France. Today
the All Blacks take on Italy and that match will
kick off just after nine o'clock, so we will hand
over to our commentary team for live coverage of that
match from around eight forty five this morning, which means

(05:37):
we will bring Rid in a little bit earlier. We
don't have any guests or interviews lined up for today,
so it's basically your chance to have stretch our legs
and have a decent conversation about anything that might be
a focus for you. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. Looking forward to your calls, your
conversations here at Newstalk stb let me. I'll tell you

(06:01):
what Sue. I'll come to your text in a moment.
But let's get funny. This was something we would talking
about yesterday, you know. I mean, you go to a
building company's fortieth anniversary and typically you end up talking
about building and this issue came up yesterday as well. John,
A very good morning to you.

Speaker 5 (06:18):
Yeah, good morning, Peter, John.

Speaker 6 (06:21):
John.

Speaker 7 (06:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
The problem is a calling on behalf of my.

Speaker 8 (06:26):
Kid's sister, who's had an art studio built thirty squares meters.
There was some bad weather during construction, I believe, and
mold has now appeared along the frame work on the inside.

(06:49):
It was just retracting a little bit.

Speaker 9 (06:51):
It was shut up for two weeks for some reason,
and that came back and there are these mold streaks
down where the framing is against the ply fly lining.
They've now ripped the line out, taken the bats out.
Her concern is that she gets rid of it and

(07:13):
it doesn't grow again.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
Right, Yeah, Now, can I ask a sort of tangential
question to this that I'm a bit curious about. So
if it's you, we're very specific about calling it a
studio and thirty square meter, So can I presume it
was a building perhaps that was built without necessarily requiring

(07:35):
a building consent?

Speaker 5 (07:37):
Correct?

Speaker 3 (07:38):
Okay?

Speaker 8 (07:40):
Right?

Speaker 3 (07:43):
Bubbling away behind the scenes of these sorts of conversations
are a lot of conversations and discussions about what's going
to happen when we remove the requirement for a building
consent from you know, a larger number of buildings, and
how do we ensure quality?

Speaker 8 (08:03):
Right?

Speaker 3 (08:03):
So I suspect in this instance, and I don't want
to be disparaging perhaps if the people that did the building,
but you know, if you don't have the checks and
balances for from by having a building consent and having inspections.
How do you then all of the responsibility for quality
control falls on the builder. Now, most builders will still

(08:29):
be you know, professional and diligent and build the building
in accordance with the building Code and with the Building
Act and so on. I just wonder whether in this
instance here, you know, for example, once they actually once
they removed the lining, on the inside there was insulation
and on the outside of the timber framing there was

(08:51):
a vapor barrier, a wrap, a building rap, and before
you got to the cladding. So it's not like the
cladding was direct fixed with no building paper. Okay, so
this building paper.

Speaker 5 (09:04):
There, building paper and outside clearing of ply yep, then
bats and then an inside.

Speaker 9 (09:12):
Layer of ply.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yeah okay, So look, the chances are it'll be a
combination of things. One is, you know, potentially during the
construction the framing got wet, which is not uncommon. So again,
one of the things that happens before we have a
pre lining or a pre lining inspection includes testing the
moisture content of the timber framing. Now, a piece of

(09:35):
timber that sat outside in a packet then gets cut
into studs and knogs nailed together, closed in for a
brief period of time and will have a certain amount
of moisture. So in order to get a pre line
inspection done, you need to have that moisture content down
to at least below twenty percent, ideally about eighteen percent,
and you test that and if you don't achieve that,

(09:56):
then you fail your pre line inspection. You can't line.
Now if there's no inspector and the contractor might not
have their own moisture, they'll frame it up, they'll throw
some insulation into there, and then they will line it
and potentially that plywood, if they haven't stored that or
sourced that correctly, that might also have absorbed some moisture.

(10:20):
So if the building is already saturated, then yes, and
then it gets closed up for a period of time
so there's an adequate ventilation, you will get mold growth.
And I wonder whether that's the case. So in terms
of solving the problem, what I would suggest is, now
if all of the lining has been removed, and that
seems like a real shame, doesn't it. I mean, you've

(10:41):
you know, plywood's expensive, and then you've you've put it
on and then you've ripped it off just because you
couldn't be patient around getting the frame out of right, Well,
it wasn't ripped off, Okay, so its screw fixed.

Speaker 5 (10:55):
Yeah, so we'll go back on again. So it's not
sitting in the building at the moment sort of drying out.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
Look, the best thing to do would be to get
your hands on a moisture meter right now. The ones
that the council inspectors use cost about twelve to fifteen
hundred bucks and they're carefully calibrated. Maybe I shouldn't say this,
but I bought one on trade b for twenty dollars
and when I've tagged along behind the building inspectors, my

(11:23):
readings have been within one percentage point of theirs. Right,
So if they're getting a twenty three percent reading and
I use my twenty dollars trade me special, I might
get almost the same results. So ideally you would say
to the contractor, I want to install a dehumidifier. I
want to dry out the fabric.

Speaker 10 (11:42):
Of the.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
Timber, and then let's do the lining only when it
reaches at a very minimum twenty degrees. The insulation is
that does it feel saturated?

Speaker 1 (11:59):
No?

Speaker 5 (11:59):
I don't think so. Okare in mind, this is heresaying
on my path.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
Yeah sure, Okay, Well, let's assume that the insulation has
been able to dry out and feels dry and is dry,
so that could be reinstalled. The plywood could be put
back on. I would test the ply as well. Again,
if the plywood is saturated, then yeah, that's not going
to be any good. And then going forward, there's an

(12:25):
issue for something like a studio, how do you build
it in such a way that you can maintain some
ventilation in it even if it's got sort of intermittent occupancy.
Let's say so in some cases you might want to
install a ventilation system, just a passive or a passive

(12:48):
ventilation system, as in having cross ventilation windows on either
side that you can leave partially open but still secure
to allow airflow. Or you might have a small fan
that just runs constantly to allow for airflow. They they
pose a few challenges those sorts of buildings that have,

(13:10):
like I say, intermittent occupancy. Right, but it'll ninety percent sure,
it'll be excessive moisture in the framing and that's then
saturated through the lining, and that's where your mold growth
comes from.

Speaker 11 (13:28):
Right, So once it's dry and it all put back together.
Is the mold's being cleaned off with whatever? Is that
mold likely to grow again or is it the problem?

Speaker 3 (13:44):
It would be worth trying to deal to the spores
of the mold which will be still in the fiber
of the timber. So basically an ammonia type based mold
killer you would go through, maybe let it dry out
as much as you possibly can, treat all of the surfaces,

(14:04):
just with a spray bottle or something like that, just
to knock that back. I presume the timber is treated timber, yeah,
I mean it's really hard to buy untreated framing timber
these days. Is there any concern of any decay starting
in the timbers? It's relatively new, isn't it.

Speaker 12 (14:24):
Okay, Yeah, yep, definitely.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
The main thing is to be absolutely confident that the
moisture content is below twenty percent, ideally about eighteen percent,
between seventeen and eighteen percent, and then go ahead and
do the lining and the same for the plywood.

Speaker 6 (14:42):
Right, Okay, That to me seems.

Speaker 5 (14:47):
Ceremonia base.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Yeah, just just a mold killer of some description. You
could just buy exit mold or something like that and
just spray that around the timber framing beforehand, and then
let that dry out again and then go ahead and
do the lining. But then long term, ideally, you know,
for a building like that, you need to make provision

(15:09):
for some sort of ventilation or some sort of heating
that means that it doesn't cool down to a point
where mold growth is encouraged. A small one that I
built a couple of years ago, which I wanted to be,
you know, to a certain standard, right, I ended up
it actually had a concrete slab. I did under tile heating,

(15:33):
and I've set that at a very very low temperature
fifteen degrees for example, and the undertile heating will will
come on and just raise keep the temperature inside the
room at a point where it doesn't encourage mold growth,
so it doesn't get too cold in there. And I've
also got ventilation in that space. Okay, yeah, all right,

(15:54):
all right, sorry to hear that. It's an interesting situation,
and you know, just asn't aside the reason I was
quite curious as to who built it and under what
regulatory regime is. You know, there are lots of voices
within the building sector saying, look, if we're going to
put all of the responsibility essentially for quality control on

(16:15):
contractors without having counsel, are we going to be confident
as consumers that we will get the quality that we want?
And I think unfortunately your sister's example is one where
a contractor hasn't then taken the same level of care
as they might do if they were getting a building inspection,

(16:36):
and this is the result.

Speaker 5 (16:39):
Yeah, I can see where you're coming from.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
Yeah, Yeah, And I'm saying that as one that actually
sees some benefit to removing some of the regulatory input
into building what should And one of the words they
use often is low risk. Right, So a building like
that is relatively low risk, but the impact of it
being moldy or damp is still fairly significant for whoever

(17:06):
PI is that building?

Speaker 8 (17:08):
Right?

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Definitely, is there actually low risk?

Speaker 6 (17:11):
Maybe?

Speaker 3 (17:12):
Not nice of you to call John Hope. That helps
my pleasure. All the very best, Skapo. Then, ah, man,
I've got one guy that I know listens to the
show who will be ringing me on Monday to go.
I told you so, I'll wait you call. It is
six twenty four here at News Talk CP. We'll talk

(17:32):
to Jason in a moment and we'll get to Sue's
texts straight after the break as well. Radio. Let's take
a quick look at this text from Sue morning, Pete.
Appreciate that you've covered this, but please can you clarify
for me? For a friend who has a normal timber
fence between a neighbor and him, and then the neighbor
has planted a tree fence or a hedge on his

(17:54):
property around the entire property for privacy. Unfortunately, this has
now grown to a height where my friend needs to
have the light on in his kitchen and laundry and
may now be forced into install a skylight. The neighbor
did agree to trim, but did basically didn't trim it enough,
said that it would ruin the esthetics to have just

(18:16):
a few meters of tree fence cut back to a
timber fence line. Have looked at the Fencing Act, can't
find anything in it. What can a friend do? We
had Ben Johnson, who's a lawyer, a property lawyer specializing
this sort of thing on the program a couple of
weeks ago. Actually it's my intention to get him back
because he was very good and there's a lot more
to cover. Where you should be looking is in terms

(18:40):
of the Property Act, which sets out rights and responsibilities
around tree heights and that sort of thing, and you
can use the Property Act to enforce you know, if
there was an agreement to say, yep, I'm going to plant,
but I'm going to maintain it to such and such
a height, then you can enforce that. But it does

(19:00):
become a legal thing. So it's really about rights and
responsibilities under the Property Act rather than the Fence Act,
because ultimately it's not a fence. So that hopefully will
give you some guidance. And like I say, I'll I'll
reach out to Ben this week, so if he's got
some time again before Christmas, we talked a lot about fencing.
Maybe we've talked about about the Property Act sometime before Christmas.

(19:22):
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Hello, Jason, how are you.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
I'm great?

Speaker 11 (19:29):
Good?

Speaker 4 (19:29):
Thanks? Yeah, longtime listener, first time caller. Sure, Yeah. What
happened last week? As I had because our work night shift,
I accidentally fell over in the shower and I've put

(19:55):
my foot through I don't know what it is. It's
in the in the shower. I've put my foot through
the bottom of the structure.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
Inside the shower, outside the shower.

Speaker 4 (20:17):
Inside the shower, So it's what a proof the structure.
I put my foot through the bottom of it. I've
landed on my side. I'm fine now because there's the
step up where you Yeah, there's a step, so I

(20:44):
fall it on my side. But it's the hole in.

Speaker 13 (20:52):
The what do you call it?

Speaker 4 (20:56):
The shower? Waterproof? Can I fix it myself? I've all
do you inform the landlord about this? And he was
more worried about me. But there's that I can't. I

(21:21):
can't have a shower because a little hole in the
bottom of the shower.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
To be fair, I've I mean, I know sometimes shower
bases can crack and and that sort of thing, but
to actually put your foot through one is a little
bit extraordinary. Saying that.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
What happened was, you know, because I work night shift,
I decided, because I'm having a few drinks, I'm going
to have a shower. I have a shower, and then bang.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
It happens. Right when when you let the landlord know again,
I've done plenty of work looking after rental properties, right,
and so I would have thought the landlord would take
responsibility for the repair for two reasons. One, you know,

(22:18):
it doesn't sound like it was malicious damage, so it
wasn't intentional. And the other thing is that, in terms
of ensuring that the work is done to a standard
that the landlord would be happy with, it would be
better if the landlord took responsibility for the repair. The
other thing is, so is it like a PVC or
a fiberglass lining, have a glass or okay, so you

(22:47):
know to do the repair on that, essentially you're going
to have to take the doors off, take the wall
lining off, replace the tray, and then reinstall all of that.
You know, there's there's quite a bit of work involved
in repairing them, and you know, whether you've got the
equipment or to be blunt, the knowledge to do it.

(23:10):
I would have thought that it would be in the
interests of the landlord to coordinate the repair. They might
even be able to make an insurance claim on it,
but then at least they are confident that the work
could be done to a suitable standard and perhaps by
a professional. So I would have thought the landlord would
just go, look, really sorry to hear that. I'll send
some people this week. What was the landlord's response.

Speaker 4 (23:36):
He was more concerned because I landed on my side
on that lip. Yeah, to step into the shower, I
landed on my side at the same time I put
my foot through the show.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
Yeah, but it still doesn't I mean, I get that,
and I understand it's great that the landlord's concerned about
your well being, as they should be. But at the
same time, you've now got a non functioning shower and
you've got to repair that. If it's not done properly,
could potentially mean that the shower will leak and cause

(24:20):
further damage long term. So look, I I it was
if I was in your landlord situation, then I would
be very very much thinking I'd rather send my own
people in to repair it, because in the end, I'm
responsible for it and it's my asset and I want
to make sure that it's done well. So I would say,

(24:41):
if you know now that you're over the shock of it,
I'd be in touch with the landlord and go, okay,
let's talk about when your tradespeople are coming to fix it.
That's the approach that I would probably take. Jason. I
hope that you're not too badly injured after that as well.
All the best with that oh, eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. Maverick.

Speaker 14 (24:59):
Good morning to you, Good morning Pete very well.

Speaker 7 (25:04):
Oh it's good to hear.

Speaker 5 (25:06):
Well, it's a.

Speaker 7 (25:07):
Sunday and if we're not well.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
On Sunday, absolutely, how can I help.

Speaker 7 (25:15):
I've got a good mate. He's a pharmacist and he's
poured his life savings into a basically a sixty foot
phar is cement yacht, right, twenty two tons, and.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
It's in good neck.

Speaker 7 (25:31):
It leads a bit of towel see. But he got
it for sixty grand. It was a real steal, you know.
If you had to build it today would be a
million dollars plus. It's built for cook straight conditions, so
it's it's a heavy boat, twenty two tons. He hadn't
washed months ago, and and behold most of the ny

(25:52):
felly came off.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
Yeah. No, Surprisingly he's got no money, you know, because
he's spent it all on a sixty thousand dollars yacht.

Speaker 7 (26:03):
Yep, yeah yeah, And so he's borrowed a heap of money.
He paying twenty two per blah blah blah. Oh yeah,
I know, I know. Dream Yeah, and yourself employed he's
a pharmacist selling mw zeualman made sunscreen. And of course
no one's got any money to protect themselves anymore.

Speaker 13 (26:26):
So yeah, so he's.

Speaker 7 (26:30):
He's he's a pharmacist. He's got no practical experience. I've
got a little bit, but not enough on a concrete hole.
So what I was thinking, and this is what I
wanted to bounce off you or in recent is ree
coming in today?

Speaker 15 (26:44):
No?

Speaker 3 (26:45):
No, you mean now, Raisin, guys, Jay and Bryce, Yeah,
no not today.

Speaker 7 (26:51):
Yeah, because of the game you go the all blacks.
So what I was thinking, Pete was diluting the primer
for the first coat and then putting a full primer
on and sending it and then put two coats of
any fell on top of that.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
I think your methodology is correct in the sense that
you know, once you've cleaned it, you need to apply
a primer which is going to be your key coat
that's going to bond your surface coats to it. But look,
I think you would be better served, given that this
is actually really important for the performance of the boat
and those sorts of things, is to go, you know,

(27:31):
go along to maybe just get on the phone to Razine,
for example, to their technical team. I'm thinking we did
a little giveaway for Razine Construction a little while ago
because Razine Paints themselves are involved in the coating systems
for the America's cupboats. Right, so I would go off
and get some expert advice for your mate from Razine.

Speaker 4 (27:53):
You know.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
The hard thing is these paints and these systems are well,
they're quite expensive, right, And if he was to go
you know, oh, look, I'm just going to use some
regular old primer and a bit of you know, paving
paint or something like that, he's not going to get
a great result. So it's it's going to be very
specific paints applied in a very specific way in order

(28:16):
to get you know, the performance out of the system
that you need. So and I mean, look, I know
it's got nothing to do with with me or or
even with you. In a sense. It's his money and
he can do with it what he wants. But borrowing
money on a boat and then at incredibly high rates,
and it's just got disaster and all over it. There

(28:39):
was a guy around the corner had a boat sitting
on his front lawn for about two years before you
could see he just kind of gave up with it
and shipped it off, you know, pardon the pun.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
I had.

Speaker 7 (28:52):
And it was on the rocks for six months, and
then the council finally got adam patient with me because
I had no money, I was sick ass and I'm
the superent. So they chopped it up old hundred years old,
carry right and dump all the wood.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
Dump it.

Speaker 7 (29:10):
Yeah, it could have would have made beautiful recycled furniture.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
Plenty of recycled well, yeah, there's a reasonable amount of
recycled would out there. Look, it's you know, I wish
you make well and good on you for helping out.
But I think I would I would go off and
get very specific technical advice around the coating systems that
you need to apply.

Speaker 7 (29:30):
Yeah, but no idea will to do that. But you're
looking at two grand plus for it boat, just for
paint little later.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
Yeah, that's right, but that's the cost of buying a boat.
That's why I have a boat.

Speaker 7 (29:44):
You got plenty.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
Suh been out for ages. Hey, good luck with it all, eh,
all the best you take care other than are you
and your stalk se bek that's a bit of a
writer passage. And you buy something, Oh, look, I plenty
had plenty of old motorbikes and all the rest of
it over the year, so I can't judge, oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty, but the cool text comes through,

(30:07):
be cheaper to put the boat back on the market
and take the hit. You're probably not wrong. A couple
of questions about body corporates and one request here are
you able to get a spray expert on to discuss
different makes and applications. I presume you're talking about the
discussion we had around you spraying to treat mold, for example.

(30:27):
So that was our first caller talking about the studio
which was brand new, recently built and then had mold
appearing on the surface. I think it's to do with
the timber framing being saturated because nobody checked the timber,
the moisture contients of the timber. So once you've got
it dry, can you treat some of that. I mean,
there's lots of proprietary, you know, on the shelf products

(30:49):
in terms of exit mold and a whole bunch of others.
There's bleaches. There's actually sort of more eco friendly options
in terms of vinegar and baking soda and those sorts
of things that will also take care of mold. So
find it the appropriate treatment, treat it, let it dry out.
Carry on from there would be the answer. We'll come
back and talk Body Corporate in a moment for this

(31:09):
text message, but we have time for your calls right
now as well. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. I was just listening to the interview
that Kerry did with Assistant Commissioner Paul Basham. And in
a small, small world, I went to school with Paul.
I can still remember actually chatting over the woodwork table
form two woodwork.

Speaker 12 (31:31):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
Back in the day. What was that nineteen seventy nine
And as a kid, actually he knew what he knew
absolutely what he wanted to do. He's a lovely guy.
We caught up for a drink last year sometime. He
happened to be in Auckland, so yeah, nice to hear
his voice on the radio ridioh fourteen minutes fifteen Yeah,
fifteen minutes away from seven O. Eight hundred eighty ten

(31:56):
eighty is the number to call. I've got a very
long and involved text about leaky buildings and neighboring property
and so on. I'll try and get to that, but
I think my short answer is going to be this
is going to become a legal matter that you're going
to have to deal with. But i'll come back to
that in just a moment. Rose A very good morning

(32:17):
to you.

Speaker 16 (32:18):
Oh yes, thank you for taking my call. I have
purchased a batch by the sea, and a lot of
the nails are coming through on not good renovations that
have been done in the past, and they're coming through
all rusty, and a few of them. I got a
stainless steel brush and brushed the top of them and

(32:42):
got the rust off. But it's coming through the paint,
and I wondered if there's any easy way to fix it,
or if they can be facts. There's quite a few
around the outside of the building nails that have rusted.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
And you're saying that this is from a recent renovation.

Speaker 16 (33:00):
I don't know how recent. I have just purchased the property,
but I think over time, haven't you stained the steel
nails for their renovations.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
What's the type of cladding? Oh, I don't know what
type with the boards or a version of weather.

Speaker 16 (33:21):
Boards, a version of where the boards and some words.

Speaker 5 (33:27):
Right, Okay, and then we're the boards.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Yeah, and the surface, the outside surface of the building
is painted. It's all painted. It's not stained or anything
like that.

Speaker 16 (33:38):
It's all painted. And the raft is coming through the
paint and dribble them down.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
Yes, I mean, you know, one concern might be that
they've used brads when they're fixing some of those weather
boards on or some of that cladding. And if you
just well even if you use galvanized brads that don't
last particularly well in a in a sea environment with
sea salt. To be fair, I've seen believe it or not,

(34:08):
rusting out of stainless steel brads. I don't know how
that happens, but I've seen it. I think what you've
got to kind of do is go along punch, so
I presume all of the nails were fastened and then
punched and then filled and then painted over that stright, okay,

(34:30):
coming through literally it's a really time consuming process where
you go through, use a nail punch to drive the
nail in a little bit further, then use a very
small brush with some rust kill paint on it, so
a specific rust kill paint, and then dab that or
dab that into the aperture right into the where you've

(34:54):
punched the nail. Essentially try and fill that almost with
paint and then apply some filler, send that back and
then repaint the exterior. And there's no guarantee that after
a pair of of time it won't come back, because
it most likely will. But that's the most basic treatment

(35:15):
for it.

Speaker 16 (35:16):
Well, it hasn't happened to all of them, and some
of some of the nails are not ones that I
can punch in the big the big.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
Knobs on the end, okay, yep, yeah, And so with.

Speaker 16 (35:32):
Those I sanded. I did too, and I sanded all
those right down and got it off. But that was very,
very time consuming, and I can't push those in because
I've got the big knobs.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
Yeah, okay. So if it's a flat head or a
rosehead nail, it's designed to sit proud on the surface, right,
So in that instance there a wire brush is probably
a bit easier to use than a bit of sandpaper
wirebrush to expose the surface and remove as much rust
as possible, apply some rust kill paint to the to

(36:05):
the surface, and then paint over again. Might be with
if you're talking with someone at the paint shop about
applying a rust converter which will neutralize the rust, and
then applying an anti corrosive primer or paint over the
top of that, and then applying your top coat over that.

(36:28):
Whether or not the rust converter in conjunction with a
primer makes any big difference in terms of how quickly
the rust will come back, but I'd say just and
be very generous when you're doing you know, knock the
top back, get rid of the rust, and then apply
lots of paint. The thicker the paint coating that you
can put on there, the better it's going to be.

(36:50):
And then obviously you've got to be a bit careful
when you apply more paint over the top that when
you're doing your sanding in between coats, you don't stand
off what you've just applied. So look, it's a terribly
labor intensive process. That's the reason we've got radios is
that you know, while you're doing this work, you can
be listening to the radio and distract yourself from the
task ahead.

Speaker 16 (37:11):
Yes, I did too, and it did take a long time.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
Yeah, yeah, Ok, that's pretty much the way to go. Yeah,
you know, the other possibility maybe with some of those
flathead or rose head nails. Is you might be able
to get them out with the pliers and so on,
get underneath the head and pull them out and replace them.
But sometimes in those cases you end up damaging the boards,

(37:34):
and then you've got an even bigger repair job. So
I wonder whether just treating it and trying to stay on.

Speaker 14 (37:40):
Top of it.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Yeah, good luck with that. Thank you very all right,
you take care of all the very best to you.
Bye by then, Hey Craig, good morning to you. Game
bad thanks yourself.

Speaker 12 (37:53):
I could complain, but then you're told off the complaining.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
That's right, And what's the classic like no one I
would complain, but no one listens. Yeah right, How can
I help.

Speaker 12 (38:02):
You lose friends? I'll go to friend of mine who's
in an apartment building four apartments in Hamilton. It's four, sorry,
five double story apartments side by side and like a
little complex with security gates and all that, and behind
his number, he's around the middle. Behind him his unit,
he's got like a little out, like a little closet

(38:22):
on the outside of the building and it has all
the alarms in that for the entire site, for all
the other apartments in there, but the door's never locked
and it hasn't been lyned. You gets a lot of
conversation there, so he call doesn't have a look at
that because they're problems with his alarm. I pointed out
to him that you need to talk bad about But
then that twur issues we had too, is where I
turned the power of his breaker in the garage because

(38:44):
he had a couple of mstis he kept flicking all
the time, so I turned the power off and replaced
them and found out that when we did that, it
dropped the power to the main security game in the
complex along with all the alarms, and I had to
inform them that I'm sorry, but your apartments seems to
be powering the security gate and ever runs alarms and
all the other houses. Yeah, there's no board, a, no body,

(39:06):
paris just all in one. But before we found the fuse,
I mean found that out, I brought our company. Here's
a ground ped entarning radar of little trolley things I
brought into try and find where the duck we're out
to the gator, so maybe try and narrow down from
and try and make it a little bit easier for
having to go back to the people you water from.
And we found that from the foot path to about

(39:27):
two meters and from the footpath in the driveway there's
no reinforcing, right, Yeah, because I was I was following
the pipe down the drive and you could see the
reinforcing on the screen like water pipe all that and
then like hang on with the reinforcing go. So I
was wondering what has comeback for that is because I
would have thought you would have had to have reinforce

(39:47):
it bully to the end of the driveway, but it's
like about two meters from the end, it's just nothing,
all the pipes and everything. But yeah, it's like they
put it in there and gone inspect and pulled it
out again.

Speaker 4 (39:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (39:58):
Yeah, it's like yeah they yeah, I look.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
That sort of thing happens. Or you know, if they
doing a poor and the trucks drive down the driveway
to pour from the furthest end, you know, sometimes you
take the mesh out and maybe in that instance they
didn't put it back in. Look, I mean, you know,
trying to get some redress now would just be a
torturous project. I'd put that in the too hard basket.

(40:24):
The other thing, to be fair though, is in some
instances it applies more to crossings, So council often don't
want you to put mesh into a crossing when you
pour in concrete there. They just want it to be
thicker so that if they even need to cut it up,
it's a lot easier to do if there's no mesh
in it. So maybe there was a requirement not to

(40:45):
have mesh there. I take it from the way that
you're talking about your mate's place that you've got some
electrical experience and are able to offer up an advice.

Speaker 12 (40:55):
Yeah. Yeah, that brings up to another whole thing. And
you were talking about that granifrat before, and yeah, the
studio and all that. We see that industry too, Like
I'm electrically qualified, but I've also data caban and security. Yes,
and we find all the time that we got all qualifications,
but Sparky's can do data caban and security without any
your real qualifications. And we get caught in quite a

(41:17):
lot of times because Sparker do a whole on data
caving for our building. We'll walk in there and go
really and it's just been done poorly, not understanding, but
unfortunately there's no comeback. So it's kind of like in
some ways with LOSNS builders and people building these new grenefits.
I suppose really you get all the people who are qualified,
and then you get people that are already qualified doing
and then it sort of starts giving everything that's a

(41:37):
bad name, which is quite sadly, but yeah, it's happens
here all the time.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
I'm not going to disagree with you on that, you know,
and I think this tremendous opportunity. I was talking to
young guys thinking about doing electrical apprenticeship and I said,
you know, nowadays there is also it's much broader in
the sense that you've got all this opportunity to do
you know, data and security and those sorts of things.
So if you continue to upskill, you know, this tremendous

(42:05):
amount of work in that area going forward.

Speaker 12 (42:08):
So yeah, it's never a dull day. And then working
side quite a lot of its raining. Plus I mean
I started out electrical when into data security and then
moved into process controlled and all automation on the factories,
and that's that's fun. And you've got to sit down
there and work out how to program of controls to
do what you want to do. So it's yeah, a
lot of hit scretches sometimes to you.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
But that's great.

Speaker 12 (42:28):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
Just in regards to the electrical you're earlier. We've only
got a minute or so, but your earlier comment was
that in that particular unit, all of the power, the
costs for the power is shared. Is that correct.

Speaker 12 (42:42):
Well, we turned this break, sorry, I turned this break.
We're off, and then the security gates stopped working. People
got stuck outside, so we had to manually open the
gate to get them. And then I was doing some
tracing around and found that he's got a PowerPoint in
the middle of his a lounge for the TV on
one wall, and I pulled the PowerPoint off and there's
but a two point five go straight through the wall.
And the other side of the wall was that cupboard
on the outside of the building and it's got another

(43:02):
PowerPoint in there which everything runs off. And so there's
some tracing around and found out that one of us,
I think the fourth breaker on his board as she
runs the box out the little like lean to out
the side there.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
So he's and he pays his own power.

Speaker 13 (43:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (43:19):
Yeah, So it's all because it's all depending the owned.
They all own their apartment, so for everyone else's alarm,
everyone else's routers, and everyone else ends the security.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
Hey, I'm going to have to run for the news,
but the fascinating situation to be and we're back straight
after New Sporting Weather, your news talks. He'd be welcome
back to the show. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call if you've got a
building question that could be sort of a practical question.
I had to question myself yesterday when I suddenly discovered
that I had managed to adhere to my face some

(43:56):
gorilla grip adhesive. Now, I use gorilla grip adhesive because
I know it sticks like the proverbial to a blanket,
which is fine. When I was trying to glue bendy
ply to a elliptical frame that I had constructed, and
it worked incredibly well, the old gorilla grip. In that instance,

(44:19):
I used the one hour cure one. I did one
on Friday night, one half of this ellipse elliptical shape
on Friday night. I did the other on Saturday. And
then when I was delivering the mystery object, I'll tell
you about that a little bit later on, I discovered
I sort of touched on my face and thought, oh,
I wonder what that is. It's like this reasonably solid

(44:39):
old lump. Anyway, it was the gorilla grip that's quite
hard to get off your skin. I have to say. Anyway,
work to treat. So we can talk about building products,
what sticks and what doesn't. Eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. We can talk about
a little bit about legislation. I'm really intrigued by our
first call, if you missed it, just after six o'clock.

(45:01):
John was talking about calling essentially on behalf of his
consistent which is lovely going. Look a thirty square meter
studio that's been recently conduct constructed and it has mold
on the inside whires. It got mold, and so we
went through the possible scenarios and some remediation. But it

(45:22):
does raise that issue, and I'm increasingly conflicted about it
in the sense that the very strong push from the
government at the moment to go, let's, you know, make
things easier to build. Let's remove regulation. And along with
removing regulation, we end up removing the input, let's say,

(45:42):
from council and from council inspectors, and we put the
emphasis on the quality control onto the contractors doing the work,
and you know, let's have a little bit of confidence
and the ability of our licensed building practitioners in order
to build to the building code and to appropriate standards
without having someone looking over your shoulder. It's essentially what

(46:04):
they're saying. And so that phone call to me is
kind of that slight alarm bell that goes, yeah, but
can we actually be really confident? And I'm almost reluctant
to say it. Can we be confident in the quality
control of contractors LBPS builders doing this work without necessarily

(46:26):
having a building consent and without having a building inspector
check their work to actually deliver quality buildings. Here's a
classic example of no. And I kind of am despondent
that this has become a topic. You know, ideally LBPS
should be competent to undertake work like this that doesn't

(46:48):
require a building consent but still deliver quality. But here's
a classic example where that hasn't happened. You may here
a comic, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty the number
to call just very quickly this, you know, in all seriousness,
it's a fairly extensive text and it's got a lot
of issues in it around body corporates and adjoining properties

(47:09):
and liability and so on. So five apartments cracking leaking. Look,
ultimately this is going to be a legal issue. So
the challenges to find a lawyer that has experienced in
this area who can offer up some decent advice around
leaking remediations, who might be liable and so on again.

(47:34):
At the event that I was at last night, that
was a subject of some considerable conversation as well around liability.
And you know, I took to one gentleman who has
brought into an apartment where he's looking just to get
some money for it, and he's just going to ditch it.
It's so poorly constructed, with so many problems that there

(47:56):
seems to be no end in sight. He's in a
position where he could walk away and not ruin him,
to be blunt. But of course for other occupy to
this apartment block, if they were to walk away, they
would face financial ruin. And that's the end result of
Paul building practice. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
let's talk all things building and construction here at news

(48:19):
took se b Just a reminder too, the all blacks
are playing Italy, last match of the Northern Tour that
starts just after nine o'clock. So we are going to
hand over to our live commentary team at around eight
forty five this morning. Redclimb Passed will join us a
little bit earlier, so at around eight fifteen thereabouts we'll
have Rudon. We'll talk all things gardening from eight to

(48:41):
fifteen through to eight forty five, and then ladies and gentlemen,
the All Blacks will be live from Italy at around
just after nine o'clock. Jeremy, A very good morning to you.

Speaker 12 (48:52):
Good morning, Peter, morning Jeremy.

Speaker 13 (48:55):
Yeah, I just got a question. So if the water
leaks and then it casts the wood to rotten, and
then if I managed to stop the leaking, whether rotten
will still continue to rot?

Speaker 3 (49:12):
Oh, that is a good question. Yeah, there is a
potential for once decay sets in and so on, it
could remain active. So typically, you know, and I'm now
going to what is common practice in terms of weather
tightness remediation. Right, So, if you've had a leaky building
where water has got into the timber framing, the typical

(49:34):
remediation is to identify any timber that shows sign of
decay and remove that timber completely. Then sometimes the remediation
people will say, look, you need to take another meter
of timber out. So let's say there's a bottom plate
that's rotten in one corner, and there's a meter and
a half that's rotten, but they want you to go

(49:56):
two and a half meters from the point of rot
to remove all of that. And then also we're talking
about treating any other timber in the vicinity with a
timber preservative to ensure that that any decay doesn't continue
there as well. But cutting out the rot is really
really important, and cutting it out well beyond that, you know,

(50:19):
you go, oh, well it stops here, but you're always
better off cutting a bit more out.

Speaker 13 (50:25):
Yeah, but the problem is the wood. I mean to
cut out the wood because the wood is between the
my unit and the unit below, and the neighbor is
not not very cooperative to want to do anything about it.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
So the timber that you're talking about that is rotten
is in fact the floor joist between the two units. Yeah, correct, yes, right,
Is any of this been like, is the repair something
that you're undertaking because you know that there's a problem.
Is there any building consultant, building serve council involved in

(51:03):
this because you know, repair to a mid floor, joist
between inter tendency, because there'll be fire rating issues and
all those sorts of things. Really that work should have
a building consent and then there should be some supervision
of the work, particularly around the fire rating.

Speaker 13 (51:23):
Fire reading.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
Well, if you've got a unit below you, right and
you're above, there should be fire rating between the two units,
right to protect from the spread of fire. And what
you don't want to do is do some work which
then impacts on the fire rating of that which you
know in terms of if there was a fire, it

(51:47):
could cause fatal results. Right, So fire rating and fire
protection passive fire protection is really really important. So I
think that it's sounding like the scale and the scope
of this job is one where I think you should
have professional advice and and have a scope of works

(52:11):
created by someone who's experienced in this area, and then
ideally they would supervise this work as well. And in
fact I suspect you'll need a building consent for it.

Speaker 13 (52:24):
Yeah. Yeah, I did have some building LBP to come
and have a log and then come up with the
train and mad it and mitigated. But yeah, yeah, but yeah,
but it's it's like, of course we do not have
the detailed design of the building. It's very old building,

(52:46):
and and we do know how how far it would
go and and what's what's involved.

Speaker 5 (52:52):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
You know, from a practical point of view, so you know,
I can imagine if you lift the floor out and
some of those floor joists are actually rotten. It's it's
it's going to be very challenging, if not almost impossible
to replace those correctly without impacting on the neighbor below you. So,

(53:17):
and I can understand the frustration from the neighbor below.
You know, I didn't cause the leak. It's not my leak.
But suddenly you're saying to me that I've got to
move out of the apartment while you pull the ceiling
down for example, you know, And I guess it's it's
when these problems emerge that you can understand why there
are such strict controls around internal moisture, making sure that

(53:41):
we get good waterproofing systems and potentially overflows to ensure
that in these vertical buildings where you know, there are
owners stacked on top of each other, that a leak
from one property doesn't affect those properties below it.

Speaker 13 (53:59):
So actually batter cause of beause I didn't I didn't
have I mean I didn't constantly when I buy the
property is already like that, so I only discover it
and then try to try to do something about it then.
But but in terms of course, who should better?

Speaker 3 (54:23):
I mean, I mean, oh sure, yeah, I guess. Can
I ask, did you get a building inspection, a pre
purchase inspection before you bought the apartment?

Speaker 11 (54:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (54:39):
I did.

Speaker 13 (54:40):
Yeah, so the inspector did mention that the the deck
my because I'm on the upper level. Yeah, so the
what what the waterproofing wasn't done?

Speaker 4 (54:51):
Probably right? So yeah.

Speaker 13 (54:53):
So so so I get there some building uh people
to to give me a quote or how much to
do to do the repair. So so after that, uh,
I negotiate with the seller and then get a lower
advice to buy the property.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (55:13):
So once I own a property, I tried to get
the builder too to try and remediate the thing. But
the builder just keep on delaying until until almost about
one year, and then I get another one to come
and see, and then he made he and he opened
up part of the the below, uh, the deck below

(55:38):
the cabin mm hmmm, below the deck, and then he
found that the wood was what was wrotter.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
And the joys.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
Yeah, so after that, yeah, see if if if for example, well,
I mean, if you didn't get a pre purchase inspection, uh,
you know, you could say I didn't know about it
to your insurer and and potentially ask your insurer to
cover it. But in this instance, you did know that
there was some defective or there was some leaking which

(56:10):
was then causing decay, and then took a risk to go,
I'm going to purchase the property because I've been able
to discount the property in order to cover the cost
of the expenses. But now the cost of the expenses
is probably far greater than the discount that you got
from it. So I don't know that you're going to

(56:30):
be able to get any support from anyone outside because
essentially you were reasonably well informed that there was going
to be a problem. Now there is a problem, it's
you're going to have to fix it. And I can't
see that you could go to your insurer now and go, oh, look,
can I make a claim for this. It's going to

(56:52):
be My feeling is it's going to be your responsibility. Again,
I hasten to add, you know, you should probably get
some proper legal advice on this, but unfortunately I can't
see this ending particularly well mm hmmm, yeah, unfortunately. I'd

(57:17):
be intrigued to know where you end up with this, Jeremy.

Speaker 13 (57:21):
But you know, so it is in no case, what
would you do? I mean, how you would you conceed?

Speaker 3 (57:31):
Is there a body corporate? No, nobody cop nobody corp right?
I mean the I was going to say the hard thing,
it's not the hard thing. That the only right thing
to do is to have a professional, like a registered

(57:53):
building surveyor or a building consultant, come, describe the scope
of the problem, identify you know why there is a problem,
provide you with a specification for the mediation of that,
have a licensed building practitioner undertake the work, have that
work supervised by a professional. I think it's probably going

(58:16):
to require a building consent. The concern with that is
that as soon as you go to counsel for a
building consent, the job is going to get much bigger
and much more expensive, and all of that is going
to be your is going to be at your cost,
is my feeling. So you know, it's got to be
done right because it impacts on the lives of other people. Right,

(58:40):
If you don't fix the leak and it impacts on
your neighbor, that's not fair on your neighbor.

Speaker 13 (58:49):
Fix a leak easily, but the rottenwood is the thing
that is difficult to fix.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
Well, that almost becomes a moral issue, then, doesn't it
that you could ignore it? But that doesn't feel like
that's the right thing to do, in which case you
then have to repair that. But again it will need
specific design. You know, I wouldn't consider it to be
a like for like repair, for example. It's the way

(59:16):
in which it's got to be fixed and remediated. And
to ensure that it's up to the building code is
really really important.

Speaker 13 (59:28):
Yeah, but we do not have the design of that.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
No, well, there will be even if you don't have it.
If the building, how old is the building?

Speaker 13 (59:38):
Sixty nineteen sixties?

Speaker 3 (59:40):
Okay, all right, so there probably won't be plans, in
which case you then have to go to a designer,
and it'll probably be a combination of an architectural designer,
an architect or an engineer working collaboratively to come up
with a scope of works. Here's the design, this is
what's going to work. This is the type of timber
you need to use, this is the type of fixings,

(01:00:01):
this is how we brace it, et cetera, et cetera.
And then again I think that because you're essentially repairing
the structural fabric of the building, it's going to require
a building consent. In my opinion, once you've got the
building consent, you undertake the work as per the consent
and have the work signed off. But again, all of

(01:00:23):
that cost, I think is going to be yours unfortunately.

Speaker 13 (01:00:31):
I mean, the neighbor doesn't need to share the cost.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
It's not really their problem. And again, because if there's
no body corporate, then you know, you own the building
and your or you own your part of the building
and you're responsible for it. I would have thought, you know,
sometimes in these situations where we really hope that there's

(01:00:54):
an easy way, or we really hope that there's not
that much work involved, I think this is a classic
case where it is a big problem and it's a
big solution, and big solutions unfortunately end up being expensive ones.
And I can't sugar coat that for you.

Speaker 13 (01:01:10):
How much would it I mean estimate costs for that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
Without seeing it and without having a scope of works
and so on, I'd be loath to. You know, look,
if if you can't you know from what you're describing,
if it's an issue, let's go with a balcony and
a cantilever and those sorts of things. If you came
to me and said I've spent you know, one hundred
thousand dollars, I wouldn't be surprised. But again, you know,
I mean, I'm picking a figure out of the year
in some ways, So I think I think the response

(01:01:39):
as the as the owner knowing that you bought the
property knowing that there were some issues that you're going
to have to fix. Now you're the owner, you're going
to have to fix them.

Speaker 13 (01:01:50):
But even you both say, even if I got a
consent to go ahead, but the neighbor doesn't want to
do anything, what can I do?

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
I think then you probably have to take some legal
action to say, you know, in the end it is
in your neighbour's interest to allow you to fix it. Right,
So there might have to be a negotiation, There might
have to be a settlement of some sort. There might
even have to be legal action to force it, but
ultimately they're going to have to accept some disruption while

(01:02:22):
you repair it. And again that's part of the risk
of buying into a building where there are multiple occupancies,
right you know, So in that sense you'd hope that
your neighbor would be reasonable. But again that's not to
say that people aren't reasonable. Jeremy, I've got to move on.
I'd be really interested to know where you land with this,

(01:02:45):
so do feel free to call again. Certainly it'll be
one of those things that I'll think about again in
a couple of months time. I wish you all the
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news said, be quick. Text Pete, what adhesive now you're
talking about adhesive given that I glued it to my
face this week? What adhesive do you use to glue
a brass wood screw into a door frame lock catch
that keeps coming out due to the vibration of the
door opening and closing. Thanks Michael, I'll tell you what
I would just get a match stick, take the screw out,
get a matchstick, jam that in there, tap it and

(01:04:29):
cut the top of the match off and put the
screw back in. Job done. Oh eight one hundred and
eighty ten eighty. The number to call damon good morning,
to you. Why is that not mate? My fingers have
dried up. It didn't work. There we go, gotcha, Damon?
How are you good?

Speaker 5 (01:04:45):
Thank you?

Speaker 4 (01:04:46):
How are you good?

Speaker 7 (01:04:46):
Thank you?

Speaker 5 (01:04:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (01:04:48):
I just I heard you talking about mold this morning,
and I just bringing I me and my family just
been through a mold issue over the last over winter
and it was extremely peculiar and we we found mold
and eventually found mold in our house, but it was
not what we thought it would be. So I thought,

(01:05:10):
I'm just going to share.

Speaker 12 (01:05:11):
That with you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
But in terms of the like you you're obviously in
the house over the winter, so it's not like it's
been locked up and you've been away or something like that.

Speaker 14 (01:05:22):
No, it was really my wife complained about the smell
in our bedroom and it was really odd the year
before last. And I'm actually a builder and I've been
in an industry for thirty four years, so I was like, yeah,
but it was a really weird smell and we couldn't
we couldn't actually track it down where it was coming from.
In the end, I thought maybe the old jewanery was rotting,

(01:05:45):
so I pulled the window out and replaced it with
a were a double glaze one yep. And because the
house was it was an older house, but I'd completely
gutted it and renovated it, so it was all all
new insulation, all new and everything on the inside and
twenty and then so going through that, and then that went,

(01:06:07):
and then this went to just being The smell came
back really early and it was quite pungent. It was
a very weird smell. We couldn't find anything, couldn't All
the walls were dry. Moisture tested everything and got a
moisture meat went through everything. Everything was dry, dry, dry.
It was really odd. But in the end my brother said, look,

(01:06:29):
maybe just get a proper test done. So I got
some experts in and they did an ear filter test. Right,
I was kind of not to say, poopooing it, but
I just didn't think they would find anything because the
house was dry on the inside. But lo and behold.
He came back and says, mate, you want to get
out of your bedroom. It's extremely high and mold spores

(01:06:52):
in your bedroom. And I was like, gosh, how's that
even possible? So I went home that night and I
just sort of tore the bedroom apart a bit, and
when I removed the beard away from the wall. This
real strong smell of damp came imiating into the bedroom
and it was very strong. It was even stinging my eyes.

(01:07:16):
So three so we got out of there and removed
ourselves from the room, and then found that the actual
back of the beard is one hundred million inside where
the mattress was the back of the bed, and the
wall was spiking to about thirty on the moisturemeter, so

(01:07:37):
it's pretty high. And so I tore the side of
the house, thinking for a leak from the en suite,
but nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing anywhere, And all it was
was down to what we can We obviously threw out
the mattress and everything, but what it seemed to go
down to is that we had just bad habits with

(01:07:59):
our on suite door open while howing yep, yeah, and
then having a we we'd just had a baby boy
and he was sharing our room for the first year
and a half and there was three of us in
there and obviously not getting enough ventilation, so things something
just caught and we found it must have been living

(01:08:21):
in our mattress, the mold, and it was causing us
all sorts of problems.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
Ailments, and certainly I think one of the things we're
starting to appreciate, you know, especially you know, old houses
like the one that I'm in. You know, they're pretty drafty, right,
and the drafts kind of mitigate the fact that as
we get more and more air type, ventilation becomes more

(01:08:48):
and more of an issue. So if you've done a
really good job of sort of your retro fitting the
house by adding better joinery, adding insulation, closing up all
of those gaps and cracks that kind of give ventilation
via infiltration, which is not a great form of ventilation
but is ventilation in a sense, then yeah, you can

(01:09:10):
you can end up with that. And then if you've
got an on suite and you shower with the door open,
three people in a room for a fairly long period
of time, all of the sources of moisture would combine
to create the environment. So it is one of the
keys to it, you know, ventilation, like better ventilation out
of the bathroom, maybe making sure you close the door
when you're having a shower on the en suite, and

(01:09:33):
being much more like what have you done to fix it?
Are you much more active in terms of going, hey,
look as soon as the temperature is right, I'm going
to open the windows. I'm going to get some ventilation
during the day, maybe adding some more extraction to the house.
What have you done?

Speaker 14 (01:09:48):
So immediately we went and got a dejamidifire and we
started running that in the evenings after it right yep
in the bedroom. But yes, be more proactive about opening
windows through the day and also like that, shut that
door to the on swite when we showering. And we're

(01:10:09):
also looking into so I went down the road looking
into a HIV system for the house. And what I've
found out through that process is that even the modern homes,
in fact, more so the modern homes that are smaller
having the bigger issues because there's less air in the
house move around with our bigger volume houses with more space,

(01:10:32):
they don't seem to create that issue so much. And
having a system that can remove that dailer out and
put fresh air in is because my brother's also a builder,
and I've been talking to him at length and he
believes that the those codes that shut and made everything

(01:10:52):
air tight is actually causing us more issues and we
should have really put our money and our time into
putting some codes around a better ventilation for houses that
are smaller or anyhow.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
And look, I wouldn't discrew you on that. What I
hope doesn't happen though, And I've started to see this
in sort of the public discourse as people going, oh, look,
the problem with our houses is that they're too well insulated,
and that's you know, just wrong. Yeah, it is rubbish, right,
but it's a very popular idea at the moment that

(01:11:26):
you know, houses are overheating and so on because we've
gone too far with the insulation. We need to wind
that back. We don't. Our insulation standards are not still
not particularly high. But what we do need to do
is take a holistic approach in terms of understanding building
science and understanding how buildings perform and going Okay, what's
really important then is that we do actually need to ventilate,

(01:11:48):
and we need to actively ventilate properties if we're not
getting this sort of accidental ventilation via infiltration right drafty houses,
so if we can control it, we need to be
much more active in that. And like you, I've you know,
mold is a persistent issue. I'm dealing with it in
another property and one of the things I've done is

(01:12:10):
I'm swapping out the extractor fan that's there for an
updated one that has a humidity sensor included in the fan.

Speaker 14 (01:12:19):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
So Cynics have just introduced these to the market. I'm
going to swap out the old extractor put this one in.
And what that will do is it will measure the
humidity in the room and boost the performance of the
fan depending on what's actually happening in the room. And
when even when there's no activity, let's say in the room,

(01:12:43):
it will still continue to run just to allow for
that constant exchange of air, right, and then have essentially
a boost on it. So you know, maybe something like
that is something that you could look at for your
place as well. I've got to move on, but I
really appreciate the insight and so on, and particularly for
someone who's gone through it. And you know, the remarkable
thing is that even like good houses can still get mold.

(01:13:06):
That's that's what the message is there. Really appreciate damon,
and good on you, and thanks for calling. Really appreciate it.
Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty the number
to call. Take short break back in a moment you
and new Stalks. It'd been at seven forty three and minshew,
good morning to you.

Speaker 15 (01:13:23):
Good morning Peter, how are you very well? Enjoy your show?

Speaker 12 (01:13:28):
Thank you.

Speaker 15 (01:13:30):
Hey, I've got a tricky question for you.

Speaker 5 (01:13:35):
I like relation.

Speaker 15 (01:13:36):
Yeah, underfloor insulation. Yes, now we have we have a
few different material type such as whorl, polyst glass, woll
in part it thin, something like the export stuff. So
my question is which type of material as more resistant

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to borrow attack.

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
I would imagine none of those products are particularly tractive
to bora.

Speaker 12 (01:14:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:09):
I mean if it's a glassful one, if it's a
pure wool, if it's one hundred percent pure polyester, if
it's polystyrene, I can't see bora being attracted to any
of that because there's actually no organic material.

Speaker 15 (01:14:23):
They're all equal.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
Yes, I specifically in terms of bora. I can't see
any anything that's attractive in any of those products for bora.

Speaker 15 (01:14:36):
Okay, Well, the reason I markets is my border brought
an old house one hundred years old in the central
Auckland area. Yes, and well it's due to inspection indicated
there's some borer attack, so she got the insect control

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guiding and but they requires the rip of the existing insulation,
which is the expo type of stuff, you know, they
they put it then, so we asked, We asked the guy,
as you say, well this this material more attractive to

(01:15:20):
to bora or or you know, any other types that
they're not one hundred percent sure, but they said, well,
these these exposed stuff the easier for the bora to
penetrate through. So for their recommendation is for us to
replace them with a different material. So that's why I'm asking.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
Okay, look, the good news is that in about half
an hour Rudklin Passed, who is far more qualified than
I am to talk about bora, is going to be
on the show. So why don't I put that question
to Rud and we'll get his opinion given that he's
an entomologist.

Speaker 15 (01:16:00):
Excellent, Yeah, I thought, Is he still going to be
on quarter past the rugby game?

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
I know, but we're going to start early because I
know you don't want to miss out on time with Rud,
So that will be my first question. Stay listening, excellent,
No trouble, Take care. Then eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call back after the break. And
just to reminder, Ridd will be joining us a little

(01:16:28):
bit earlier. In the next hour of the program, we're
going to hand over to the commentary team for the
last match of the All Blacks Northern Tour, so All
Blacks v Italy. That'll kick off just after nine o'clock
at about eight forty five. We'll hand over to the
commentary team ahead of that live coverage of the match.
So Ridd'll be joining us about quarter past eight this morning,

(01:16:49):
which means not a lot of time for you to
get your building questions. And eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 8 (01:16:55):
Hello Faye, Hello Pete.

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
How are you very well? Thank you?

Speaker 10 (01:17:01):
I'm just ringing. My son wants to convert the garage
into a full speed Yes, the house is twenty years old.

Speaker 14 (01:17:11):
Yep.

Speaker 10 (01:17:12):
I just said it'd probably be cheaper to do one
out the back.

Speaker 16 (01:17:16):
It's got a fair.

Speaker 10 (01:17:18):
Bitter end, right because you had to have a permit
and can you do that convert the garage you can, but.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
It is it's a change of use, right, So garages
are designed to be garages, not to be bedrooms, and
in terms of compliance, you need to ensure that it's
a safe habitable space, right. So one of the things
council will look at is ventilation, They'll look at insulation,
They'll potentially look at is there a vapor barrier underneath

(01:17:48):
the concrete slab if it's concrete slab, And then obviously
you'll want to take the garage door out and replace
it with joinery. So there might be issues around insulation,
double glazing, those sorts of things. But it most definitely
requires a building consent. But it sounds like you already
know that.

Speaker 14 (01:18:07):
Yeah, I do.

Speaker 10 (01:18:08):
Yes, So I've double grazes a home anys before, before
the double grazing wasmentatory. So yes, yeah, so I said
it would probably be better to build a sleep out,
a big one as high as you can go without
the purpents net. But once just put the toilet share

(01:18:28):
in this and you've got to have a permit.

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
You need a consent for that as well. Now that
potentially is up for some discussion at the moment. Certainly
the you know, it's it's not law now, but it
is something that this current government is looking at. Is that,
you know, can we build well as much as sixty
square meters in some cases without necessarily requiring a consent.

(01:18:50):
But right now, yes, doing any plumbing you can build
up to thirty up to thirty square meters within certain guidelines.
But as soon as you put in any sanitary fitting,
so as soon as you add shower and toilet and
those sorts of things, it requires triggers the requirement for
building consent.

Speaker 10 (01:19:10):
Yeah, rather it be done properly.

Speaker 3 (01:19:12):
Yeah, absolutely, Yes, too. Properly is really important.

Speaker 10 (01:19:16):
That would be, you know, doing the garage, and you've
got to build another garage of.

Speaker 14 (01:19:21):
Which to go the other way.

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
Yeah, you might be right good on you. Yeah, okay,
and you have a great day to take care. Then,
all the very best to you. We've got time for
your calls. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty the
number to call. Good morning, says the Texter. I'd appreciate
your thoughts on next steps. For some friends of mine
who are in the nineteen seventies Lockwood in one of

(01:19:43):
the bedrooms. Above the window, there are gaps that are
appearing between the wall and the roof that you can
see light through. It only seems to be in one room.
Given that Lockwood's still around in business and probably will
be for many many years to come, I would be
inclined to get in touch with them. And just get
one of their experts maybe to come out and have

(01:20:05):
a look at it, not necessarily holding them responsible for
it if it's a nineteen seventies bill, but they might
be able to offer up some opinion. It might be
that there's some subsidence and the wall is dropping and
the roof is staying in the same place. It might
be that there's some uplift for some reason that's occurred.
There might just be shrinkage. So my suggestion would be

(01:20:25):
that you actually go and get in touch with Lockwood
in the first instance, and invite them to come out
and have a we look a couple of things. One
of the things that I've has occupied I do know
last day and a half of my life has been
making I don't even know how I get into these
sorts of things. But our son is involved with the

(01:20:48):
National Youth Theater who are putting on a performance starting
on Thursday at the Arta Center in Auckland of Alice
Wonderland Journey. So it's kind of a reimagining of the
classic Alice in Wonderland story with all of the same characters,
and there is that scene. I don't know the story
particularly well. I think I'll get to know it a
little bit more over the next week as I go
and see the show a couple of times where Alice

(01:21:10):
obviously goes into Wonderland and everything is large, and so
the Mad Hatter, the character there, has a large top
hat that then has to be large enough from which
a rabbit needs to appear. And so that job ended
up on my desk or in my workshop, to be fair,
and I spent a happy couple of day in a

(01:21:32):
bit making a large elliptical top hat with brim on
casters that can be wheeled out onto the stage as
part of that. I have to say I've been to
any number of the National Youth Theaters shows over the years.
They're a hell of a lot of fun. It's just

(01:21:52):
so fantastic to see all of these young kids, and
we're talking you know, five, six, seven up to about
age twenty twenty one involved in these enormous productions, incredibly professional.
It's on at the the Artas Center from I think
the first public show is public shows are Saturday and Sunday.
They do a whole lot of shows for schools. They

(01:22:13):
invite schools to come along, which is fabulous as well.
But the public shows are on Saturday and Sunday. I'll
be going along Saturday night, so if you see me there,
say hello. And it's a great show. So allis on
at the Altair Center from Saturday and Sunday. Tickets on
ticket Master, all that sort of thing. And somewhere in

(01:22:35):
there you might even get to see the hat that
I made. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. I think we'll leave John too
after the break because we're right on top of news time.
Lots of texts coming in around, you know, the mold issues.
I guess it's been fascinating. Pete loved the show, really

(01:22:56):
interested to hear about the bedroom mold. I wonder about
like high padded headboards that are attached to the wall,
no gap between the mattress the headboard, no airflow. Just
a thought. Are you're absolutely right, Judy, ventilation in all spaces.
You know, we've got use to this idea that we
need extraction and wet areas, bathrooms, laundries, kitchens, et cetera.

(01:23:16):
But really we need ventilation right through the house, and
it needs to be active and it needs to be controllable.
I might talk a little bit more about that in
the next hour. Remember rid Cline passed from eight fifteen
this morning. Rhot's going to join us shortly because we've
got the All Blacks the last match of the Northern
Tour live commentary here at news Talks. He'd be from

(01:23:39):
around well build up at around quarter to nine the match.
Just after nine o'clock. A couple of texts coming in
about bronze beetles, so that's a heads up for it.
We need to talk about that, and we need to
answer the question posed by a caller earlier on around
underfloor insulation and is a particular type of underfloor insulation

(01:23:59):
a more inviting habitat for borer than other types of insulation.
So we'll cover that off through it as well. But
right now, John, are very good morning to you. How
are you doing? For some reason, it's not working. This
is working, John, Greetings, John number one, apologies.

Speaker 4 (01:24:16):
Good morning, Pete. I love your work, Thank you.

Speaker 17 (01:24:19):
Bet Yeah. Hey, I've got a glimping tent that we've
put up. It's been up for about three years now
and it's done really well. But the canvas are starting
to show some mold and I've tried a couple of
things I've tried vinegar, which, as you can imagine, is
probably pretty less effective being a check solution, and then
I tried wit and forget, which is way more expensive.

(01:24:42):
It seemed to have some effect, and maybe I need
to have another go at it. But I wondered if
you had some suggestions around.

Speaker 3 (01:24:48):
How to Oh, would you just try something like exit mold.

Speaker 4 (01:24:52):
Well, apparently some of those other products like.

Speaker 3 (01:24:55):
That can be a bit corrosively sort of thing.

Speaker 4 (01:24:57):
Yeah, and rot the canvas. I'm obviously worry about that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:03):
Yeah, if you want to agree with you put it on.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:25:07):
No, I mean, I understand what you're saying you need.
There's a certain amount of caution, isn't there around some
of these more aggressive chemicals, let's say.

Speaker 17 (01:25:15):
But maybe I could like put some bleached chemical on
and the water blasted off. I don't know whether that
would effectively get out.

Speaker 3 (01:25:25):
I mean, is it also one of those things where
these things have a lifespan? You know what I mean?

Speaker 17 (01:25:29):
And absolutely absolutely, but I'm expecting ten years. Yeah, yeah,
and I want it to look good for as long
as possible.

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
Do you also redo the waterproofing on the canvas over time?

Speaker 17 (01:25:45):
I've heard something about that but I'm not really an expert.

Speaker 3 (01:25:49):
Yeah, look, John, I think for something like that, you know,
you're better off talking to some old fashioned campers who
have used canvas for a long time. I mean, I
can't imagine this. Too many canvas tents out there now,
with all of the flash, hairy sort of stuff that's
that's available now, blow up tents and all the rest
of it. But even someone like Canvas City, if they're

(01:26:09):
still in business, would probably be able to offer up
some decent advice there. Okay, I'd have a crack at
all the verys to you and John number two. I'm
sure you've got a bit of surname than John number two,
But here John number two showers goody John.

Speaker 4 (01:26:26):
Good noise.

Speaker 13 (01:26:26):
Peter.

Speaker 6 (01:26:26):
Now, we've got a problem with a juttering cold water
tap in our bathroom. We've had it since we built
the batch about six years ago. It doesn't happen all
the time, it just occasional, but when it happens, it
makes one hell of a noise and the water tends
to spurt out in intermittently. Right, we're on rain water,

(01:26:48):
so obviously the water is getting to the tap via
from a pump, and it is the furthest tap we've
got in the house, if that's any help.

Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
Have you heard of a thing called water hammer?

Speaker 6 (01:27:03):
Water hammer?

Speaker 3 (01:27:04):
Yeah, so I I think look in the end, it'll
probably require a fix from a plumber. So I would
suggest if you chat with a local plumber and describe
that to them. It seems to have something to do
with air getting into the line, right, and so what
you get is a bit of water and then a
bit of air, and that vibration between those two elements

(01:27:29):
is what causes some water hammer, and that's what you
might find is happening. So and then I suppose it's
slightly more complicated given that you've then got a water pump.
So obviously there are times when there is pressure in
the line, then there's not pressure in the line, you know,
as opposed to being connected to the mains pressure, where

(01:27:50):
as long as the valve is open, you've got pressure
in your system all of the time. So I think
it's water hammer and you'll need a plumber to fix it.

Speaker 6 (01:28:03):
Do you think it could be related to the fact
that the toilets in the same bathroom when flushed, there
is a loud noise from the roof Somewhere in the
roof of the house. Further back between the toilets and
the water.

Speaker 3 (01:28:17):
Tank might be a loose pipe. Okay, So you know,
if you look at how plumbers if they're drilling down
through the nogs and so on these days and then
putting their pipework in, they'll often seal or they should
seal around the gap between the edge of the pipe

(01:28:37):
and the and the hole that they've drilled through the timber,
my precious, precious timber that they like drilling through, and
so typically you do a bead of sealing around there. Now,
if you leave that out and there's movement in the pipe,
then the pipe bangs against the timber, so that that
can happen as well. But that's if that's in the wall,
that's a slightly more difficult problem to fix. If it's

(01:28:59):
in the ceiling and there's not there's insufficient pipe clips
and it's a pipe that's loose and banging, then that's
a relatively straightforward fix.

Speaker 6 (01:29:09):
Well, that sounds very possible.

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
All the very best to you. I hope it works
out well. Take care, John, take care. Oh here we
go now. Walking beast foot through some fresh green grass
is one of life's great pleasures, but when the soft
spring of fresh lawn gets replaced with scratchy, rough weeds,

(01:29:33):
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Speaker 4 (01:30:42):
Zed be.

Speaker 3 (01:30:45):
Right, Oh, Rud climb Pass is going to join us
in just a moment, So if you've got your gardening questions,
you'll have to get in ahead of me. But I'm
going to jump the queue to be fair and jump
in with the first question at RUT. Are you with us? No,
not yet, Okay, We're going to come back in just
a moment if you've got questions for Rudd. Eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. A

(01:31:09):
couple of last Yeah, people have just on the canvas.
People have actually suggested that the wit and forget might
work as well. There's a product this is again for
the canvas. Tenth. There's a product benzo zyclamine chloride active

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ingredient avoid the likes of exit mold, which I have
used in the bathroom because it's got sodium hyperchloride which
will rot the canvas. So there are weed oh, there
are mold sprays that will work with the canvas as
opposed to others that are more designed perhaps for hard surfaces.
And we may mention two of nails rusting a little

(01:31:53):
bit earlier on in the program, and I commented on
the fact that in some cases some stainless steel brads
that I'd been using had also seem to rust, and
someone did point out, you know, there is a difference
between marine grade stainless steel and regular They talked about
their dads building boats and using marine grade three one
six stainless. Certainly something to be aware of, and I'm

(01:32:18):
very conscious of the fact that the brads, I mean,
stainless brad should last a little bit longer than that,
but it's not common, but it did happen in a
few areas. And then we've had a lot of discussion
around actually a lot of talk about bathrooms, talk about bathrooms.
I noticed the other day I was cruising home, and
obviously some neighbors are doing some renovations. There was a

(01:32:40):
Chester's Bathroom store truck that had arrived to drop off
some stuff, and it got me thinking that, I know,
typically Chesters sort of have a sense that it's very
much a trade focused store, but they are open for
retail as well. Last night I went along and celebrated

(01:33:00):
with the team from clear Water Construction forty years in business,
and actually I was there after having been part of
their celebrations for DNH Steel fifty years. Interestingly, and Old
Chester's fifty years in business as well, So that's Chess's
plumbing fifty years. That says something about the quality of
the company if they've been around that long. So good

(01:33:23):
on you, Chestice. Right, you're with news Talks, he'd be,
we're going to get rud lined up. I think yes
we can do that. Let's let's get Rid on the line.
We'll talk all things gardening, but I'm going to jump
in with the first question about underfloor insulation and whether
or not borer finds it attractive to live there. So
we're back in just a moment with Red Climb Past for.

Speaker 1 (01:33:45):
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