The Resident Builder podcast: September 29, 2024

This week on the show, ZB's Resident Builder Pete Wolfkamp discusses the latest issues impacting the world of construction- and answers questions!

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Resident build Up podcast with Peter
wolf Camp from news Talks at Bay.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
The house is a hole even when it's.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
Darns, even when the grass is overgrown in.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
The yard, and even when.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
The dog is too old to bar, and when you're
sitting at the table trying not to start scissor home,
even when weave a band gone, even when you're there alone.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
A house is a hole, even when those goes, Even
when you got around from the world you love your most.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
Streamed pans be an inunder.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Locals when these even when wilbra ben, even when you're
very lone.

Speaker 5 (01:34):
Well, a very good morning, and welcome along to the
Resident Builder on Sunday. You're with me picked off Camp
on this the first day of daylight saving. So yes,
the clocks did go forward. Sorry, I'm laughing, because we
do have in the studio, for all of the wonderful technology,
a good old fashioned analog clock that hangs on the wall.
And I guess for the last ten years or so,

(01:56):
since I've been coming in here early on a Sunday morning,
it seems to have become my job to stand on
a chair which is an office chair, in which case
it rotates right. And if you've ever watched YouTube videos
of people doing silly things, it's generally involves them standing
on an office chair, reaching up, getting something down, in
this case of clock, changing the setting, and then putting

(02:17):
it back up again. Thus far, touchwood, I've never come
to a sticky end doing that decidedly unsavory little task
on a swivel chair. So I'll do that during the break.
If i'm not back after the break, you'll know what's happened. Radio.
Good morning, Welcome along to the show. I trust you've
had a good week. And if there's a project that
you need some help with, if there's a project that

(02:40):
you're thinking about doing a bit of planning, you know
daylight saving typically. We've had officially the first day of
spring in the first twenty second of September. There equinoxes
behind us. School holidays are here. The end of the
year is looming. We got our son's end of year
report the other day, emailed to us on Friday, and

(03:01):
I'm like, hang on, now, he's going back to school
next term. It's not over yet, but it is. The
year is rushing to its climax at the end of
the year. So if you've got a project that you're
thinking about in maybe December January taking some leave, and
you want to talk about that, you want to start
doing a bit of planning, then we can discuss that.
If you've had a couple of issues, let's say with

(03:21):
product or with suppliers or with contractors, we can talk
about that. I do want to do a little bit
later on one of my terribly unreliable, completely unscientific polls,
and it's around finding a trades person. We'll do that
about six point thirty this morning through to maybe sort
eight o'clock. At around seven thirty this morning, we've got

(03:43):
Bryce mcdermmott, our painting expert from the good people at Razine,
so from the Razine Color stores. Bryce is available, will
take your text questions on any painting questions that you
might have. And after the eight o'clock news, just briefly,
we'll have a bit of a catch up with Hamish Firth.
Hamish is a planner and he describes himself as just

(04:04):
a good old fashioned planner and he's got a couple
of things, some insights into proposed changes to the ROMA,
the Resource Management Act. Certainly it was under review with
the previous government with the Labor administration, Chris Bishop has
really taken it on board, I think, and done quite
a lot of work. So what's coming up? What might

(04:25):
change when it comes to the Resource Management Act, particularly
as it relates to construction right and you know, most
building projects that I would have been a part of
in the last ten years or so typically end up
with a resource consent attached to the building consent, or
in fact you need to get the resource consent before
you can get the building consent. Is that going to

(04:46):
change anyway? Hamish is an expert on this from the
Mount Hobson Group and we'll be chatting with him after
eight o'clock. Then, of course, as always, we'll jump into
the garden with red claim passed. From around eight point
thirty this morning. Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. Texts are more than welcome
nine to nine two or z BZB from your mobile phone.

(05:08):
I've logged into my email because I remember my past word,
so you can email me as well. A we apology
on my part after we seem to have talked a
lot about our boxes. If you're not into OL boxes,
my apologies, but it seems like a large number of
you are, and I've had a number of emails requesting
the plans. I didn't get a chance to do that

(05:29):
this week. I promise you this week to anyone that
emailed me requesting plans, so effectively, I'm just taking the
plans that I got from rud and forwarding them on
to you. I promise, I promise I will do that
this week. I'm not going to go ahead and promise
that I'm going to make the barn Ol box. That
might be a project for the following week. Anyway, that's

(05:49):
my homework. I'm sordid, right, I know what I have
to do. And again, if I sound a little bit croaky,
it is because I am a little bit croaky. I've
been on the road quite a bit over the last
three weeks. In fact, I've had pretty much a trip
every single weekend for the last three weeks. Came back
from christ Chitch, Yes, had a fabulous time there. Went
to Timaru for the first home and Garden show there

(06:11):
since about twenty eighteen. My mates that run Jade Promotions
re established the home and garden show. Well received. People
really enjoyed getting out and looking at stuff. I went
down to do a bit of a presentation, which is
what I do, and I catch up with the exhibitors.
So flew to christ Church on Friday morning. I don't
know why I booked a six o'clock flight, but anyway,

(06:34):
got to christ Church, shot out to the FOREMANTHS SIPs
panel factory so Foemanths is a structurally insulated panel manufacturer
and I've seen houses being built in SIPs panels by
from pormants over the years, but I've never actually been
to the factory. So I took the opportunity to shoot
out there see Nick who runs the place, and have

(06:54):
a wand around the factory just to see how SIPs
panels are actually made, which was quite interesting. And then
shot out via Methyn Geraldine. Fantastic little military museum in Geraldine,
just on the main street and most of it's running
right so it wasn't running at the time, but there's
tanks and half tracks and scorpions and tractor units and

(07:17):
jeeps and all sorts in there. It's a fabulous little museum.
And Geraldine had a fantastic can I just say this
had a fantastic PASTRAMI toasted sandwich and Methvin as well,
a little cafe next to the gym Garatge. There you go,
right in the middle of Methvin. Their beautiful coffee, beautiful
toasted sandwich, snow in the hills in the background. What

(07:38):
a gorgeous place. And then Timuru, which I really like.
And then back via actually back via a beautiful garden.
But I'll talk about that with Rud when he joins us.
At eight thirty rdio, I know it's daylight saving. I
know that most of you are probably still tucked up
in bed because my clock tells me that it is
sixteen minutes after five, which is what your body's probably

(07:59):
telling you as well. But in fact it is actually
fourteen sorry, fourteen minutes. See, even the clock is wrong,
not just for the hour but for the minutes. It
is the most unreliable clock in the world. Yet it
hangs in the studio. Anyway, I'll get it sorted.

Speaker 6 (08:15):
Right.

Speaker 5 (08:16):
Lines are open. Number to call eight hundred eighty ten
eighty All things building, construction projects, dilemmas, delights and dilemmas.
We can talk all things building in construction. Call us
right now, eight hundred eighty ten eighty right, Oh, good morning,
welcome back to the program. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. It's always going to
be a bit slow on AH on a on a

(08:40):
daylight saving morning, so the clocks have gone forward, and
obviously people are sleeping in, which is fine. But if
you're up in about, we're going to get busy later
on the show. So now's a fantastic time to call.
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Apparently my adjusting of the clock was alerted overnight morning,
Pete says the Texa. They said on the overnight talk

(09:01):
it'd be Jim that you would be changing the clock,
which is true. And I have done that, standing on
the little swively chair, balanced like a Russian acrobat to
be fair nimble on my feet. I am, and down
came the clock just at the time, perfect right. Everything
is in synchronicity.

Speaker 7 (09:20):
Now.

Speaker 5 (09:20):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, though, is that
number to call? I wonder if I should tell my
story now, I tell you what the survey that i'd
like to do. And we've done a couple of these
recently and they've been quite illuminating for me. And they
are simple yes, no, right. So the moot that I
want to put think back to your debating days at

(09:41):
high school or at university. The moot that I want
to put is, if you needed to find what I'm
calling with respect your top three trades, right, the trades
that you are most likely to need, a carpenter, an electrician,
or a plumber. Would you have a carpenter, builder, electrician,

(10:06):
or plumber's number in your phone? And what I'm trying
to gauge is us having this discussion with someone the
other day in terms of if you're not connected, let's say,
with the trades, right, And I think more and more
the way our society is structured, we're not necessarily as

(10:28):
connected to trades and trades people as we might have
been a few years ago. So if you needed to
phone right now a plumber, please don't phone a plumber,
an electrician, or a sparky. Would you have their numbers
in your phone? It's just a yes or no, And
I'll try and keep track of the text that went
nuts last time we did it, which was great, oh,

(10:49):
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. So the moot is,
do you have plumber, electrician, and carpenter Chippy in your phone?
Could you call them right now from your contacts in
your phone? And I'm trying to gauge just how connected
we are to trades if looking for a trades person,
how is it for most of you? How easy or

(11:10):
how difficult is it? And I'm thinking if you've got
their number in your phone, then it's going to be easy.
If you don't, then you're going to have to go
and look somebody up, or you know, phone a friend
or something like that. So how do you find a trade?
The text are already starting to come in. We're off
to a flying start. Yes for the first one. So
I will ride up a little bit of a telly

(11:32):
and I'll see how I go. It does get pretty busy,
but it'll be awesome. So do you have top three
trades people? Plumber, Electrician, Chippy in your phone? Could you
phone them right now? Not suggesting that you do because
they're having a line as well. Kate, A very good morning.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
Morning, Pete.

Speaker 8 (11:47):
You didn't put me down as a yes, excellent, thank you.

Speaker 6 (11:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (11:50):
Yeah, I feel as though I am giving you a
running commentary on my project, because I'm sure i've been
you every couple of weeks my nest problem. If I may,
it's going really well and my trade e's are excellent.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
But I don't know if you'd be called that.

Speaker 8 (12:10):
I'm using a Kitset company, right, and they have they
have been all right, the products have been all right,
but they've been riding late or they've been the wrong products.
This time they have accordated booth instead of what I wanted,
which was a square profile, do you know what I mean? So,

(12:33):
so this will be quick, But my question to you
is how long does it take a roofing company to
rerun a new profile? Because it should it should happen quickly.
Otherwise my scaffoldings up are not the costing. So I
just I've been trying to find out and this company
won't actually tell me, they won't get back to me

(12:55):
in a timely manner, and I'm trying to find out.
How long should it take them to provide me with
the right profile?

Speaker 5 (13:03):
Yeah, I mean, look, I think if you said two weeks,
I wouldn't be surprised. So if, for example, what's happened
is now, can we just go one step beyond that
or one step back from there? I presume that in
your contract and in the specifications. You were very clear
about the profile of the long run that you had selected.

Speaker 8 (13:27):
Well, I had sent photographs, okay, and they said, yes,
that's a that's one we commonly provide.

Speaker 6 (13:33):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (13:33):
Okay, all right, so there's clear there's a paper trail
to say. You made it very clear that that's what
you wanted. So I'm just making sure there wasn't kind
of because people often talk about corrigid iron, right, but
they may you know, I know what krugid irons. You
know what it is, but other people might think it
looks like something slightly different. Or if you say a
square profile, you know, is that a standing scene type thing?

(13:58):
The there's different things, Okay. So they knew what it
was that you wanted. When it arrived on site. It
was the standard corrugates crinkly iron, and you've gone, hang on,
I asked for a flat profile or a more square profile.
So they would have gone back to their supplier and said, hey, look,
can you run that order again. The quantities are the same,

(14:21):
the length of the sheet is the same. Two weeks
wouldn't be unreasonable.

Speaker 8 (14:27):
Gosh, the architect apparently put on the consent of plans
corrugated ruth Ah, And when I spoke to him, he said, no,
it shouldn't make any difference to the council.

Speaker 5 (14:44):
That's a little bit to be blunt. It's a little
bit of a laxadaisical attitude, to be fair, because you know,
the whole thing is like plans are supposed to be
contracts these days, right, That's how we regard them. So
if somebody puts it down as a particular profile, that's
what you should use. Because the warranty is going to
be different and the installation details are going to be

(15:04):
different for a different product. Shouldn't make a big deal,
but it will make a bit of an issue. So
but look, if you've made it clear in your discussions
with the supplier that that's what you wanted, they've ended
up sending out the wrong profile of long run, then yeah,
I think two to three weeks and anything beyond that.

(15:24):
And it kind of feels like people are busy, but
not that busy, right, So if they're doing a reasonable
amount of business with the roofing firm, they'll be able
to send that through. And also it's a relatively compact building,
isn't it.

Speaker 8 (15:38):
Well, it's only seventy three square music.

Speaker 5 (15:40):
Okay, all right, So it's not a massive roof. It's
a simple roof structure, so there's not like lots of
different lengths of iron that they have to do. Even
that doesn't make.

Speaker 6 (15:49):
It any difference, you.

Speaker 8 (15:51):
Yeah, a heap at one end in otherwise okay, all right?

Speaker 5 (15:55):
No, I think two three weeks possibly, but no more
than three, right, thank you?

Speaker 8 (16:04):
All right, So that's a bit more scaff Yeah.

Speaker 5 (16:07):
Well, and you know, it's probably not unreasonable to go
back to them and say, hey, look, the only reason
I've got the scaffolding up is you need the edge protection.
So either I'm going to take it down, you're going
to have to provide your own, or you're going to
have to contribute to the cost of the scaffolding because
the mistake is completely on you. That's not unreasonable, right.

Speaker 6 (16:26):
All right.

Speaker 8 (16:26):
The cloud is not up, the joiner is not up.

Speaker 5 (16:28):
Okay, all right, So you need scaffolding for a lot
of other things as well.

Speaker 8 (16:33):
Yeah, what order can things happen? Can they? Can they
do other jobs?

Speaker 9 (16:36):
First?

Speaker 10 (16:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (16:38):
The roof, I mean typically you want to get the
roof on, right, That's that's why we have a roof.
Shout right, it's to encourage us to get up there
and get the roof on, because you really don't want
to be installing cladding. You certainly don't want to be
installing windows if you're not you know, if you don't
have a lid on it basically okay, not really unless
they're going to wrap it, but even that not a

(17:00):
great idea.

Speaker 4 (17:02):
Well they have wrapped it as in.

Speaker 5 (17:03):
A scaffold with a tent over the top.

Speaker 8 (17:07):
Sorry, no, no, no, just a paper on. Yeah, okay,
sorry I didn't understand that.

Speaker 5 (17:11):
Yeah, no, no, no, it's but look that's a really
expensive option. So I mean it's a great option, but
I wouldn't push them to do that right now. I
think just push them to go. Look, you just really
need to get that roofing on as quickly as possible.

Speaker 6 (17:25):
Yeah, but it does take a while to anything, but
not really, you know, to.

Speaker 5 (17:29):
Be fair, you know, is it a common color?

Speaker 4 (17:34):
Like?

Speaker 5 (17:34):
What color?

Speaker 6 (17:35):
Did you?

Speaker 5 (17:35):
It's flexpot? Okay, all right, so there's there's there's probably
about five or six colors that are really common. Flexpod
would be one of them. It's a great color, in
which case it's not an issue of oh, we've got
to order that coil in right, so if they say
we've got to order the coil, you're kind of like, yeah, no,
you just ran the last lot. So unless you ran out,
that's unusual as well. Good luck with it, Kate. Yeah,

(17:56):
all of this already, take care, already all this by
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. I'm loving the text response that, So my
moot is in your phone and your contacts on your phone?
Do you have phone numbers for Plumber, Electrician, and Sparky?
And to be fair, even if you got two or
out of three, that's pretty good. Thus far, only one

(18:20):
person has said that they don't have any contacts like
that in their phone, which is interesting. Oh wait, that's
what That's why I want to run this little survey.
Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty will sundred.
Good morning to you, Oh good morning.

Speaker 4 (18:32):
How are you?

Speaker 7 (18:33):
Thank you? Kim?

Speaker 4 (18:35):
Oh Gross, I'm answering your questions, the moot question, the
moot I've got all three okay.

Speaker 5 (18:46):
And there I'm curious because is that because you've done
renovation projects over the years and you've kept their details,
or you've got friends who happen to be tradespeople.

Speaker 4 (18:58):
No, the home is nearly four years old, and I've
got them when it was.

Speaker 5 (19:05):
Built, right, Okay, well that's perfect then yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was one of those conversations us having with a
friend during the week, and it was I guess I've
got this image that you know, back in the day,
most of us would have known someone in the trades, right,
And I just wonder whether for maybe a younger generation

(19:28):
or people that haven't been you know, if you've bought
let's say house and you don't need to do any
renovations or alterations, then you may not have contacts for
trades people, in which case it is kind of a question,
but how do you find them? So I'm just curious
that most people still have those contacts, which is awesome.

Speaker 7 (19:46):
Yeah, yeah, thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
Awesome for me because I moved from one city to another. Yes,
so it's good to have these contexts.

Speaker 5 (19:55):
Yeah, good point. Yes, yeah, that's right. If you've got
people in one town, they you know, depending on how
far you shift, that's a little bit challenge.

Speaker 4 (20:04):
Well, I just did quite away from to Hamilton, so.

Speaker 5 (20:09):
Tell you as I was, as I was wandering the
streets of Timaru. Yesterday. I was looking at the real
estate windows, going, oh, oh yeah, it's great, Sandra, thank
you very much for calling. Really appreciate. I'll tell you
what I love about Timoru, the fact that the city
and the port are so close, and that if you

(20:31):
go for a bit of a drive or a walk
like I did, there's all of these commercial buildings, a
lot of them old heritage buildings, big old brick buildings
and that right down by the in the port area.
And to be fair, some of them look like they're
not occupied, or they're partly vacant or something like that.
And I was wandering along looking at these buildings, singing, man,
I could come down here and I could get into

(20:53):
one of these old buildings and do like a really
funky sort of apartment warehouse he type thing, and be
looking out at the water and looking the other way
to the mountains, and anyway we dream. Oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eight is the number, John text is
a roof shout, still a thing, to be fair, not
as they are certainly not as boisterous as they used

(21:16):
to be. And I don't know that clients necessarily understand
them as much as they used to do as well.
Like the funny thing that used to do, and we're
talking like thirty odd years ago, is that you would
do You'd put the flag up, but you'd put the
flag in the most inaccessible part of the roof, right,

(21:36):
And that was the trades would get together and they'd
go to the highest part of the roof and then
they'd get a bit of four to two and they'd
wrap a bit of plastic from the timber wrap and
that around it, and they'd raise that as high as possible.
And the idea was that the client would then be
that would send a signal to everyone else that the
client was due to do a roof shout. And by

(21:56):
putting it somewhere where it wasn't easily removed, the only
way that the flag would come down is if the
trades got back up there and took it down after
they'd had the roof shout. I don't think it's like
that anymore. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty back with
Rudy in just a moment, and you with new sorts.
There'd be people camp with you this morning talking all
things building and construction. Couple of quick text, Hey Pete
is a roof shout still a thing from John. No,

(22:19):
probably not in the same way that it used to be.
And to be fair, I've been to a fair few
of fairly boisterous ones back in the day, but we're
talking a while ago. And look, for good reason there
is now. You know, in terms of health and safety,
it's not a great look to be shouting guys a
bunch of years and perhaps they're not providing, you know,

(22:42):
an alternative for them to get home and those sorts
of things. So for very good reason, people are less
likely to spend time on site, having a few at
the end of a job and so on. So that's
changed a little bit. And I guess too, you know,
the majority of houses that are being built now are
not necessarily being built by clients that the builders know.

(23:02):
So group home builders, developers, speculators and so on say that,
in the best possible sense, might be building houses that
will be built on spec and then they'll be sold,
so you don't have that immediacy of a relationship. I
can encourage you, and I say this quite a bit.
If you are doing sort of a bespoke build where
you've got a relationship with the builder, you get to

(23:24):
know them, you spend time working through the plans with them,
and that sort of thing, scones, coffee, these sorts of things.
Building that relationship and bolstering it with a little bit
of nutrition is a very very good thing. Oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call quick
other text thinking about Catherine's roofing material. If a supplier
of mind delivered the wrong product, even if it did

(23:45):
normally take two weeks, I'd expect them to fast track
it and remake it. Well, that's true, except it might
be that the company that's building in this case, the
sort of mine in dwelling seventy square meters placed in
order and they were wrong. So it's not the roofing supplier,
not the person running the product. They were told this
is the profile, but they had incorrect information. So yeah,

(24:09):
you'd like to think that'd help them out, And you'd
like to think that the person who made the incorrect
order would do what they could to try and hasten
the delivery of the correct material. But it's it's not
like it's come from the manufacturer. So typically if you've
you know, it might be a case of you have
a contract with the builder or the main contractor. The

(24:31):
main contractor orders the materials. They then get sent to
the roofing manufacturer who runs the product. Or it might
go through a roofer, so the builder calls the roofer,
the roofer goes out, does the site measure and forwards
the order through to the provider to the manufacturer. So

(24:52):
you can see where there's always a possibility for, you know,
mistakes to happen like that, and they do happen a lot.
I'm guessing. I'm just wondering what's going to happen to
the other eye and that's sitting around now. Oh wait,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number?

Speaker 6 (25:05):
Really?

Speaker 11 (25:05):
Good morning to you, Yeah, good morning peak. About five
and a half years ago, we bought half share in
our house with our son. It was a show home
that had been a show home for two years and
then we bought it after that. And the reason we
bought it was because he lives a long way away

(25:27):
from us. We didn't want any sort of hassles, you know,
with him living in this house. So first hassle we
had we had a fairly serious leak in the kitchen
where they had to replace all the beauty panels on
the kitchen because they got water damage. That happened quite
a few years ago. And then just recently he rang
me and said, oh, the paint's bubbling off the wall

(25:48):
in the on swite that's backing on to the shower.
And looking at it and photos, it seemed that there
was where they're probably it should have been silicon in
a tile joint. It looked like there was grouse in
there and water had got through broken ground out you know,
with expansion, and got him behind the wall and was

(26:12):
soaking up the wall and pushing the paint off. I
spoke to the it's a franchise builder, so he spoke
to the franchise owner and he came and had to
look and arming and ring, you know. Anyway, while just
before he arrived, I was walking down the hallway past
the second bathroom and looked down on the corner of

(26:35):
the carpet by the door frame, and there's a little
toadstool growing on the lord. So I pulled the carpet,
carpet against tiles, pulled the carpet back. The smooth edge
had totally disintegrated with water. The corner of the carpet
was quite damp, and so when he came to look

(26:58):
at the other showers, I took him down there. And
there's a few boys living in a house, right, so.

Speaker 8 (27:07):
I thought, well, you know, maybe it's coming over.

Speaker 11 (27:09):
The top of the tiles. You know, they're not too
careful about what they're doing coming in and out of
the shower and stuff like that. So I said, you know,
look at this sort of thing, you know, And there
was a little bit of broken out grout in that bathroom,
but outside the shower. He seemed to think, oh, maybe
it's water getting in there and tracking down.

Speaker 6 (27:30):
To the doorway.

Speaker 11 (27:34):
One of the boys had a shower that night, and
I went back in the bathroom and had a look,
and basically there's no water coming out under the shower door,
you know, looks at him, comes out maybe and a
half so there's no way waters flooding all the way,
you know, nearly two meters from the shower to the doorway.
So it's getting to the doorway in another way. He's

(27:54):
sort of sawn little maintenance is shoes, I'm saying, really
bad workmanship, don't I don't really know.

Speaker 5 (28:02):
And so given the age of it, right, so whether
it's got a you know, some sort of guarantee from
you know, there's a couple of insurance guarantees. There's there
used to be the Halo scheme, there's the master builder scheme,
those sorts of things, right, So if it's got one
of those master builders, okay, all right, well that's that's

(28:23):
going to be interested. Well they should be.

Speaker 11 (28:26):
They say, f's workmanship and water damage three years.

Speaker 5 (28:32):
Okay, is that in the contract?

Speaker 11 (28:35):
Well that's what they told me.

Speaker 5 (28:37):
It'd be good to get the contract and actually haven't
read through it yourself and not just believe what someone's
telling you on the phone. So I would I would
start there. The other thing is that and this is
something that perhaps I should really get a lawyer to
speak to this as well. Like there's there's obviously building regulations, right,

(28:59):
and there's minimum durability requirements for different parts of the building. Right.

Speaker 11 (29:05):
Very hard to find out these things, aren't.

Speaker 5 (29:07):
There are no If you go to building Performance dot
gov dot NZ and you know that sort of thing,
there's a lot of information there. So and then the
fact that it's these things should be done to a
certain standard, right, and they have a minimum durability requirement,
and that is actually backed up by consumer law. Right,

(29:28):
So not having insurance or thinking that you're buying an
insurance policy and that's the only redress you have is incorrect,
because you have redress under consumer law. And my understanding
has always been that there should be at least a
ten year minimum warranty on waterproofing.

Speaker 6 (29:46):
Right.

Speaker 5 (29:47):
So, and also your comments about grout, grout is not there.
And even if it's grout that's put in somewhere that
should be flexible. There should be and given that the
house is only seven years old, a complete waterproof membrane
behind that, right, and that shouldn't fail. So tiles are
not necessarily waterproof. Grout is definitely not waterproof, et cetera.

(30:09):
So the fact that you've got water somewhere that it
shouldn't is a failure of the waterproofing. So I would
go The other thing to do is go back. It
might be in the documents you had at the sale
and purchase. It might be in the master bill guarantee
if you've got one, certainly at council in the CCC
application will be a PS three from the waterproofer.

Speaker 11 (30:30):
Yeah I'm not he is looking at it, But are
you squeaking a little bit. Yeah, and I'm going, well,
you know, really you should just be going and yeah, okay,
we'll sort it out and not sort of that frustrates
me a little bit. Yeah, And the reason we bought
we bought our sort of fairly as new house was
not to have these problems, you know. So yeah, so

(30:55):
you're saying ten years on waterproof I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 5 (30:58):
And look, I'm more than happy to do a bit
of research this week and talk to a couple of
waterproofers and that sort of thing and see exactly what
it is. But I've always worked on thissumption that it's
ten years, right, which isn't actually that long.

Speaker 11 (31:10):
And well, you know, just as a fairly upmarket franchise,
and I will expect sort of ten years of relatively
maintenance free.

Speaker 5 (31:20):
You don't expect to see toadstools growing in your house
that's seven years old.

Speaker 11 (31:25):
Yeah, yeah, that's right.

Speaker 8 (31:27):
Look, it just.

Speaker 5 (31:28):
Becomes a sort of push hard, push hard. And there's
also requirement under the Act that remediation has to be
done in a timely fashion. So and that's typically again
in the Construction Contracts Act, because there will have been
a contract for that work that remediation must occur within

(31:50):
twelve months.

Speaker 7 (31:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (31:52):
So from the point of view of like, you're basically
relying on the silicon to seal the shower, aren't you, well,
at right angles at right angle joints.

Speaker 5 (32:02):
Yeah, that's right. Wherever there's a right angle joint, so
an internal cornerunction between the floor and so on, you
don't put grout in there. You do ceilant because it
allows for a little bit of movement, But the ceilant
is there just to deflect the moisture.

Speaker 8 (32:16):
Right.

Speaker 5 (32:17):
The waterproofing behind it is what's doing the waterproofing. It's
a fully toiled bathroom, tild's.

Speaker 11 (32:29):
Shower and tiled floor in the rest of the bathroom
with a tiled skirting.

Speaker 5 (32:33):
Gotcha.

Speaker 11 (32:34):
How far does the waterproof extend out of the shower?

Speaker 6 (32:38):
Is it on the concrete floor?

Speaker 11 (32:40):
Yeah, it goes on the concrete slab.

Speaker 5 (32:43):
You see. Sometimes I've seen guys just waterproof the shower
enclosure and not the.

Speaker 11 (32:49):
Water is coming through under the tiles in the shower.
Once they get out of the shower box. There's no waterproofing,
is there.

Speaker 5 (32:58):
Well, there may not. I mean, look, my my approach
has always been just waterproof the entire floor, right, And
the other thing is that at the threshold, so between
at the doorway, typically there needs to be a water stop,
which is a little angle that gets inserted there and
if water is tracking along underneath the tiles, and to
be fair, I saw it the other day with my
own eyes, and I'd always been a little bit really

(33:20):
how does that happen? Type thing? And I went to
a remedial job and the guys were pulling up a
floor tile that was adjacent a level entry shower, and
the water had tracked underneath the tiles, and the essentially
the adhesive and some of the floor leveling compound there
was saturated.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Right.

Speaker 5 (33:40):
So water does migrate, and so we're trying to stop
that from leaving. So there should be a bandage up
the walls. So you tile, you'd waterproof the floor and
up the wall, so you created a bandage right around
the perimeter, and then at the doorway there should be
a water stop.

Speaker 11 (33:55):
So with a skirting tile outside the shower, just a
one hundred mills high tile or whatever that acts of
skirting going towards the doorway, you expect that to be waterproof.

Speaker 5 (34:04):
I would expect the junction hind there you know, the
upstand to be fully waterproofed and bandaged. Yep, yeah, good
luck with all of us. Know how you get on?

Speaker 6 (34:14):
Eh?

Speaker 5 (34:16):
All the best? Take care Ready, we'll take a short break.
It is six forty seven here at news Talk ZB.
We're also running a completely unscientific little pole, which I
quite enjoy. Recently have done a number of these, and
my question the moot was, or my question to you is.
I was in a discussion during the week with a
friend of mine and we were talking about, you know,

(34:37):
would most people be able to go into their contacts
list on their phone and find a plumber, electrician or sparky.
And I had sort of got the sense that maybe
people are not as connected with trades as they might
have been in the past, and so I was thinking,
be interesting to see sort of get a sense of
where people are at thus far on our terribly unscientific,

(35:00):
unreliable pole. Most people do. So I got about sort
of twenty one two votes that yes, I do. Some
people might have two out of the three, which is
all right. Some people have gone on to complain about
one hundred dollars an hour that they have to pay
for some of these trades. People but anyway, that's not
the point. And only three people have said I don't
have any contacts at all for any of those top

(35:22):
three trades people, or the ones that you're most likely
going to have to call potentially in an emergency. Right,
power has gone off, there's a water leak, or something's
falling off your house. Right, so it's going to be electrician, plumber,
chippy basically, if you've got their numbers in your phone, yes,
we'll know on the text machine. Grant a very good
morning sir.

Speaker 7 (35:41):
Good morning pee.

Speaker 6 (35:42):
How are you?

Speaker 12 (35:43):
I'm pretty good one excellent, one would think, well as one.
As they've got your wed side addresses number, the they
should be hooked up.

Speaker 11 (35:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (35:54):
Hey, really, I was playing with a train.

Speaker 12 (35:58):
Station now today and not train station, a model in
that and I was looking at it an infrastructure and
stuff like that.

Speaker 6 (36:05):
Right, And.

Speaker 12 (36:07):
In christ Church I heard you talk about Turmaru and yeah,
there are some lovely buildings down there. You could do
some really good things.

Speaker 7 (36:13):
Yeah, oh yeah, it's amazing.

Speaker 12 (36:16):
Porch armers and anyway, if you're going for hours about
beauty of that place. But yeah, and so I was
looking at christ Church and I was thinking, man, you
know the sand heilds down in Brighton.

Speaker 5 (36:27):
Yep.

Speaker 12 (36:29):
Yeah, I wonder moving moving those right, because they're not
a they're not a natural structure. They were put there
the before the atomic testing just in case we've got
a splash back on the Yeah, yeah, that's not it's
not no, no, no, straight up done and done in
like forty five or around that area. My dad drove

(36:52):
the big dozers that pushed it up there. But yeah,
it was originally pushed there to stop the sand. So
I'm thinking about real estate, and I was putting in
this big train station and stuff like that, and I thought, Wow,
I wonder how hard it would be to actually, you know,
get about moving those houses.

Speaker 5 (37:11):
So I guess that's a hard thing for christ is.
It's all that T one, T two, T three. So
whether or not I mean building on sand, I don't know.
I'll do a little google around the Did they put
the sand there to protect from I don't think so.
I don't think so oh eight one hundred and eighty
ten eighty. It's a little bit off topic. Thanks Grant. Chrissy,

(37:31):
good morning, Good morning.

Speaker 13 (37:34):
So I got a couple of quick cook VI questions
for you. The first question is no, I don't have
any trades people on my phone.

Speaker 5 (37:40):
That's thank you.

Speaker 7 (37:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (37:43):
PVC double glading versus aluminium, Yes, which would you choose?

Speaker 5 (37:49):
I don't know that it's a simple binary yes noo
to that. I think you've got to look at location.
You've got to look at what it is that you're
trying to achieve. If it is thermal performance, and that's
one of the benefits of uPVC, And I was doing
a presentation yesterday. I've got charts from the Window Association
telling you what the heat loss is through different types

(38:11):
of joinery. Right, So uPVC is thermally very efficient, as
in it's a terrible conductor of heat. Therefore it's thermally resistant.
But then again, thermally broken aluminium is also higher than
standard aluminium, timber being higher than both of them fiberglass,

(38:32):
which is a little bit rare in New Zealand. So
you there's there's a bit more subtlety to it than
a yes, snow one's better than the other.

Speaker 13 (38:40):
So one of the reasons I asked is because though
through a friend's house and all their window sills of rotten, Yes,
because the windows haven't been maintained over the years, you know,
dile bent, their movement hasn't haven't been cleaned, and a
lot of people don't do it anyway. And so obviously
your thermal dynamics with your heat and you're cooling on
each side, and obviously all the water droplets have formed
on the minium and drip onto the edge I believe,

(39:02):
and rotted it all out.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
And that's that.

Speaker 13 (39:03):
That's the bit that concerns me. I suppose if I
goes aluminium stuff and price point, I'm not sure which
is cheaper.

Speaker 5 (39:11):
Typically there's a premium for uPVC. But then there's also
a benefit, right, so if your thermal performance is better,
then potentially you've got a saving long term if you're
doing a retrofit. I've seen some retrofit systems that utilize
uPVC joinery which are quite smart. And then there are

(39:34):
other benefits to uPVC in terms of hardware and like
there's a flexibility. I've seen some recently where for example,
a window that is a casement window also becomes a
bottom hung window that opens inwards so to allow for ventilation.
Now that's a I guess a functionality that you can

(39:55):
achieve with some of the uPVC suites that are out
there that you won't get with aluminium, and to be fair,
you won't get it with timber either, So yeah, you know,
take some time. It's a big decision of this.

Speaker 13 (40:07):
I've known you to do the house Peace Fields. They
can afford it.

Speaker 5 (40:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (40:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (40:12):
Another quick question is tell you what can I just
ask you to hold because we've got news, Sport and
weather coming up right at the top of the hour,
which is just a couple of seconds away, and I'll
try and answer this question about master builders. And I've
got a story for you straight after the news at
seven o'clock as well. Actually, it was very nice to
see the Light Force Solar people at the Timaru Home

(40:34):
and Garden Show. They had to stand there as well,
So I was in Timuru yesterday, said they stayed Friday
night Saturday morning, went out to the Home and Garden
Show which is on actually it's on through to probably
four o'clock, five o'clock today and had a bit of
a chat with them. I do a presentation there called
what does Good Look Like? And it's kind of a

(40:57):
little bit of a reflection about you know, we've we've
started to talk more about good building, right. We want warm, dry, comfortable,
and that's that's great to look for, But what is
it that you're actually looking for if we're talking about
good buildings? So anyway, that's what I was talking too,
but talking about it's good fun, actually lovely people, timuru
and developing quite the soft spot for the actually fantastic

(41:21):
little what was it a little antique store that I found,
had to wander around the basilica as well, which was
quite nice, a bit of a two tou along the
coastline and that sort of thing. That was great, fantastic right, Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eight. You've got a story
for you in just a minute, but we'll finish up
the question with Chrissy. So, Chrissy, one of the things
you're talking about is are you doing when you say

(41:43):
you're going to do a piecemeal approach to replacing joinery.
You're replacing the joinery because it's sort of past, it's
used by date, or you want something that's more thermally efficient.
So what's your current joinery? Is it aluminum or timber?

Speaker 13 (41:56):
So it's a nineteen thirty's house, course it's timber the California, Yeah,
exactly in the front windows basically at the moment and
that they still work. All the windows are all there
and all secure, and put that bit of bone stuff
around for the draft. But I'm just looking to replace
the front ones at the moment, and that's what I
was wanting to on the back of that, I was
going to ask to be very quick vision just.

Speaker 5 (42:16):
On that quickly.

Speaker 7 (42:17):
Though.

Speaker 5 (42:17):
If if that timber joinery is sound right, and you
know you could you could upgrade the hinges, why wouldn't
you just look at doing a retrofit double glazing to
your existing joinery, Because you know, from a thermal performance
point of view, timber performs exceptionally well. So if you
sort out the drafts and add the double glazing, the

(42:38):
only thing where it will not be that great is
potentially air leakage around the perimeter of the frame. But
then again, you probably don't have building paper on the house,
in which case you've got lots of air leakage. Anyway, No,
I do.

Speaker 13 (42:54):
I mean when I bought the house that failed the
next test for the guy that had the house completely
important pass the board and an insulation in the water,
that was all done, so okay, So you mean whether
router out the double glazing? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'll tell
you why because I can't be bositing on future maintenance.

Speaker 5 (43:16):
I like your honesty, chrisy I do. Look, I understand that.

Speaker 6 (43:20):
Yeah, I get it.

Speaker 13 (43:21):
One I'm going to give you a little jokes as
a joke, how much is a plumber get paid on
overtime time?

Speaker 14 (43:27):
And a turd.

Speaker 7 (43:33):
Go for it?

Speaker 13 (43:33):
Extended on the extension on the back of the house,
no smil infallation in between?

Speaker 7 (43:38):
Yes?

Speaker 13 (43:38):
Could I so the tens there? Could I put a
false roof on top of that and then put insulation
and then the newton on top of that?

Speaker 6 (43:46):
Yes? Say yes.

Speaker 5 (43:47):
So just do a Google search for warm roof right,
and it's not uncommon. And it sounds like I've been
traveling a lot, because I have been traveling a lot.
So last weekend I was in Wellington for the New
Zealand Institute of Building Surveys conference and I was at
some workshops on the Saturday morning and one of the
presentations was from Viking and they do warm roof warm

(44:13):
roof retrofit solutions. So it's it's very specific and you've
there's there's a lot of science. You've got to get
it right. But it could be a really good solution
for you.

Speaker 13 (44:23):
And so that would also mean that people doing their
main rooms wouldn't have to take that old.

Speaker 5 (44:27):
Off exactly that exactly that, No, not at all. No,
I think we're going to see some pretty significant growth
in that area, I think going forward. All right, my pleasure,
take care of them by by them. Thank you, Chrissy.
We'll talk to Bevan in just a moment. I need
to tell you a story, and it's a little bit

(44:48):
of a tricky one to try and explain. There is
a property that I look after right that I renovated
and that I continued to maintain, and it is listed
as accommodation, so it's fully furnished. It's essentially Airbnb, but
it's listed through a local holiday home company and it
gets rented out. And so in the public sphere are

(45:10):
photographs of the inside of that because you know, someone
wants to search for a holiday home in Devenport and
they could find this property, et cetera. And we've got
photographs that we took or we had taken for that house.
And inadvertently, a couple of years ago there was a
bit of a muck up where photographs from our property
were associated with a property that happens to be two

(45:33):
doors down right, And so we got that sorted out
and those photographs were taken down. And then the other
day I was informed that that property two doors down
from the one that we look after is up for sale.
And so I thought I'd be interested to know a
bit of the history and that sort of thing. I'll
go to the good people, the old, good old website

(45:53):
homes dot co dot nz. So I went to homestock
code ont Nz and you type in the address and
it brings up details, rough details about the house, the
size of the section, it brings up a bit of
a sales history. It's generally got a photograph taken like
from you know, Google street View or something like that,
of the outside of the house. And I had to
look through that and it was kind of interesting. And
then I scrolled back to the top and then there

(46:13):
were photographs of the inside of the house. There were
photographs of the kitchen, there were photographs of the backyard.
And then I looked at the photographs and went, hang on,
they're photographs from two doors up. They're not photographs from
that house. They're photographs from the house that I look after.

(46:34):
And I thought, okay, well I should really get in
touch and you tell them that they the photographs are
not correct, right, which I think information is it's important
to get it right. So anyway, I scrolled through, looked
for the contact list. There's no telephone number, so I
emailed them and said, could you please contact me to
discuss the photographs because they're wrong. Anyway, that was on Tuesday.

(46:57):
I haven't heard from them, so I don't know what
they're going to do about it, but I thought you'd
be interested in knowing that, So there you go. It
was quite the moment sort of looking at the photographs
of the house, going actually they're photographs from it's my
work attributed to somebody else's house. So I don't think

(47:18):
it's very good. Not answering your emails also not very good.
It is thirteen minutes after seven oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call quick one
on the pole, So we've been running a pole. We'll
do it through toll about eight o'clock. What I was
curious to know is, and I was having this discussion
with a friend during the week, would most of us
have in our contacts on our phone and a contact

(47:40):
for let's say a carpenter, a sparky electrician, and a plumber.
And my sense was that as we kind of become
a little bit more dislocated from the trades, less and
less people would have or fewer people would have those
contacts readily at hand, I in your contact list on

(48:01):
your phone. And so that's what we're doing a poll on.
Thus far, it's a about twenty five people who have
pulled through, so it's just a yes no answer have
said yes they do, and at discount only about four
or five have said no they don't, which kind of
surprised me. So we'll run that through to eight o'clock
this morning. Remember also, we've got our painting expert, Bryce

(48:23):
McDermott will be on the line in about fifteen minutes,
so if you've got any specific painting questions, please text
them through right now. There we go, New.

Speaker 6 (48:33):
Ah.

Speaker 5 (48:36):
A couple more texts are coming in for our unscientific
I make no apologies for the fact that it's unscientific. However, Paul,
who has far greater insight into these things than I do,
Pete b Ree, you or unscientific poll, given that those
responding and listening to a very good building DII show.
Thank you, Paul. I'm not surprised that the majority would
have trade contacts. It would be interesting to poll the

(48:59):
general population might be a different result. True, But all
I've got is you guys, which I'm happy to be
with today. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty is I
love this one? Yes to all three, but only because
they're a mix of brother and two cousins. On the upside,
they do help out for free, and man, I love
that side of things. You know that still exists. I

(49:21):
think for a lot of kiwis that the kind of
ring up a mate who knows a mate who comes
around and sorts stuff out. Or if you're an older
trade and you've got kids, I mean the number of
trades that I talk to have got you know, sort
of adult children. Oh yeah, I working at the daughter's
place today. That that's a pretty common thing too. I
think my time will come. I eight hundred eighty ten

(49:42):
eighty is the number to call. So I mentioned the
issue about the homes dot co dot nz information homestock
code ot nz is not a listing right, So someone texts,
I want it to just call the agent. Well, it's
not on the agent's website. It's on the homes dot
code dot Nz website where photographs from another property which
I know, appear on a property that happens to be

(50:06):
too draws down which is incorrect. And I wanted to
contact them to say that's incorrect. You know, is it incorrect?
Is it misleading? Well it is, because that's not that
house anyway. They haven't replied, just leading, you know. Oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call?

Speaker 6 (50:21):
Same thing?

Speaker 5 (50:21):
Read my home someone texts wrong in phone photos for
my address. Was told they could not change it. What
do you mean they can't change it? Everything's changeable only
trading in my phone's a mechanic fabulous love that Bevan greetings,
Hey Pete.

Speaker 14 (50:40):
Be trading in the phone. We've done quite a few renovations.
But we've got we've got every possible and I'll tell you,
I'll tell you there's a multiple reasons why. And we've
done it too obviously. I put it under a builder
or electrical plumber, guests for a plus for a planner,
architecke whatever, followed by the mate.

Speaker 5 (51:02):
Oh yeah that's closely yep.

Speaker 14 (51:04):
Yeah, because you know what when I'm on a boy's
trip away or if I've died, my wife needs to
know how to access that stuff. Yes, so we've done
two things. One we've got the same pink code on
our phone, so she didn't open my phone. And two
I've shared it and put it on her phone. Oh,
if I'm away in and there's a leak and you

(51:25):
know something like the guess, she can look up guests
for it, and there's two, two or three of them.
Mere she can take a picture. She can't get the
first guy or girl. How brilliant and it's easy, and
you know what the amount of clients and friends. I've
shared that to your phone, you know, like the someone
wants a cobblestone Mayer here it is cobblestone Mayer Gordon.

Speaker 6 (51:48):
Yea.

Speaker 7 (51:49):
It makes it so easy.

Speaker 14 (51:51):
So go that step further, either share your pink code
with your wife or put those trades on her phone,
because it's probably the hassle when you're away trying to go.
You know, you don't want to be getting a call
to figure out who talk to him.

Speaker 5 (52:05):
And so it's really and I do quite like that
with and I've got sort of the same thing in
my phone that often it will be John, and then
in brackets plumber, you know John Sparky.

Speaker 14 (52:19):
If your wife doesn't know it's John.

Speaker 5 (52:21):
Yes, but then you just search for a spark.

Speaker 14 (52:25):
I suppose, yeah, I yes, I.

Speaker 6 (52:27):
Mean I do.

Speaker 5 (52:29):
But there I looked through my phone the other day
because you know it's a tool, right, and I go
I went into I just went into count into contexts.
Actually total number of contexts two thousand and eighty two. Yeah,
and I'm thinking, I'm we and we never call them.
I did say it was a producer. To be fair,

(52:51):
some of them are people who have passed away. I
just don't want to lose their numbers. So anyway, Hey Mack,
thanks very much for the call. You have a great
day all of us. Take care by then, uh three
trades of my phone context list is my husband? He
does all three. We might need to talk about that,
to be fair. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the

(53:11):
number sent through your painting questions as well. Because Bryce,
our painting expert from Razine, will be with us in
about ten minutes or so, so we'll take your questions
on all things painting as well. Eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number two call, Hey, Dave, good morning

(53:32):
to you.

Speaker 6 (53:34):
Oh hello today, Dave.

Speaker 10 (53:36):
Oh yeah, I've just been listening to your talk back
here for half an hour and more now, and it's
it's quite interestingly different things people are saying about building
and that, but our work as a painter decorator. I'm
retired actually.

Speaker 7 (53:51):
Yes still.

Speaker 10 (53:52):
And one thing I've noticed as a trend over for
quite a few years now of the obsession with the
color of black, yeah, especially roofs. And I've traveled a
bit to Japan and Australia come back in God, what's
gone wrong with New Zealand? We're gone to this depressing color.

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I actually went to a new house the other day
to do a bit of work and I've got a shop.
When I saw this house, it had to be how
diliest thing I've ever seen. It was actually squeer like
a shed.

Speaker 4 (54:30):
It was all.

Speaker 10 (54:30):
Corrugated iron, beautiful outside, and it was painted black.

Speaker 5 (54:35):
Gorgeous.

Speaker 10 (54:38):
Oh my god, what happened? But there seems that I'm
just like to me, it seems to be a tree
in now.

Speaker 5 (54:47):
Yeah, people do want dark colors. And look, I did
a little project where we added a sleepout slash office
at the back and I wanted that to kind of
just disappear in the backyard, and so we ended up
painting at a really dark color as it happens, because
it's a dark color, and some of like some of
it was corrugated cladding corri of iron cladding, so that's

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baked in so roof and two walls Corrigo dye for durability.
Other two walls were battened and board, but I wanted
them to be dark. Ended up using the Raisin Cool
color system, so you can do that because otherwise dark
colors on timber is not recommended, and in fact it
might avoid the warranty. But look, people do want it.
I mean, I don't find it, Like I don't mind.
My own house is a light color, right. The project

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that we did, we painted it black white. It's basically
stark white. So I just think if people want to
individualize themselves and that sort of thing, I certainly have
no issue around painting something dark or having a dark house,
as long as you understand how it performs in terms
of heat retention, and also that you're choosing the right
materials so that it doesn't impact on durability of the paint. System.

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But a funny thing was Dave two the other day.
I was yesterday, literally I left these gardens just outside
of Ashburton on the out on Racecourse Road I think
it was, and I was heading back in and there
was a new build going on and it was exactly
what you were talking about. It was dark, basically black

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corrugated iron. And as I drove past, the kind of
look back and what it was was basically five garages.
I kid you not five garages and then a little
house at the end. And I'm like, hmm, okay, I
get that. Actually it's about the right proportion. Five garages,
small house at the end. That'll work. Oh wait, one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call

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a couple of text messages. Oh now we're getting a
bunch of texts for Bryce, which is awesome because he's
on the line. We're going to talk to Bryce McDermott,
our painting expert from Razine straight after the break. If
you've got a specific painting question, text them through to
me right now. And a very good morning and a
warm welcome to you, Bryce McDermott. Thanks for getting up
extra early on a good on daylight Savings morning?

Speaker 6 (56:58):
How are you? Bryce?

Speaker 5 (57:01):
Hello?

Speaker 6 (57:01):
Bryce?

Speaker 7 (57:02):
Oops?

Speaker 5 (57:02):
Sorry, mate, there we go, there you go, gotcha? Yeah
you are indeed, Hey, thank you very much. I mean,
I know it's always it's a little bit of a
struggle when we swap into daylight saving. So thanks for
joining us this morning.

Speaker 7 (57:13):
Yeah, well, I've forgot to put the clock forward instantly
left an hour?

Speaker 5 (57:19):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I set the car yesterday. But now
I'm sure most of us now walk up to the
microwave into the oven and go, now, how do I
change the time again? I inevitably have to go back
to the instruction manual. Anyway, that's not what we're here
to talk about. We're into spring officially, we're into daylight

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saving officially. A lot of us are starting to think
about exterior painting. So before painting is prep. Top things
to do with prep?

Speaker 6 (57:49):
Right? Yeah, Well, the.

Speaker 7 (57:51):
First thing is just to go through the shed, I
would imagine, and make sure that you go all the
gear that you need.

Speaker 6 (57:57):
You know, your.

Speaker 7 (57:58):
Extension cords and your ladders and everything like that are
up to scratch. Yes, you know, your roll with sleeves
and your tools and your paint brushes and all that
sort of stuff. Just have a good flassic through and
just make sure you're all ready to go.

Speaker 6 (58:12):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (58:14):
And then in terms of actual prep, you know, if
it's the classic weatherboard house, maybe it's get you know,
getting to that point where you're starting to see a
bit of flaking or losing some color and maybe there's
a little bit of rock developing. You know, if it's
not the complete strip back, typically, what's the process for
that prep prior to painting, Well, you.

Speaker 7 (58:36):
Know, you need to wash the area down to know
who's our house washing paint prep, you know, scrub the
building down and just get rid of any dust and
moss and mold and stuff, and then scrape and send
any any loose and flaking areas and spot prime those
and then to recoating. You know, when the weather is

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to scratch sort of thing. It's not looking at great
at the moment, but you know it's still a little
bit cold for September, yeah, which will be October very shortly,
but it's still quite a little bit cold for this
time of the year.

Speaker 5 (59:16):
That I thought, Yeah, so again you've got to be
very aware of that that you don't want to be
painting too early in the morning and leave enough time
for it to dry in the afternoons.

Speaker 7 (59:25):
Yeah, between ten and two when it dry quite cold.

Speaker 5 (59:28):
Yeah, okay, brilliant. Like, let's rip into a couple of questions.
We've got some doozies. Good morning, Peat and Brice. I've
just used dura groove, which is a fiber cement panel
for interior lining. How do I prepare for painting and
what paint do I use? So dura groove is probably
like a looks like a tongue groove sheet, but it

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is fiber cement and it's on the interior. So what's
the process?

Speaker 7 (59:54):
Well, I mean providing it's all dust free and brand
new and everything like that. You know, you could use
in a correct prime and like quick dry, you know,
paint that up and and whatever your Topkate color is
going to be. Because it's interior, a quick drive be
absolutely fine.

Speaker 5 (01:00:12):
I would have made right, okay. And then would you
like just trying to think how they might have fixed it,
whether it's they've pinned it on or screwed it on.
Would you fill the holes before priming or would you
prime it then fill the holes then spot prime?

Speaker 7 (01:00:30):
I would probably hmmm, yes, I would probably prime before
before you've you know, you put the yeah filler and
then fill them then spot prime.

Speaker 5 (01:00:48):
Absolutely all right, that's awesome. Now, someone who wants to
paint seiling battings, skirts, and architraves that are currently polyurethane,
So how best to achieve that process? Wide? So polyurethane
on skirts, architraves and ceiling batons, painting.

Speaker 7 (01:01:06):
Them okay, give them a good clean down, yep, and
just lightly send them up for a tenant to provide
a key. And then you can use a new product
of ours called water board and sure seal, which will
stick quite happily to polyuythane type surfaces and things like that,
and then proceed with a paint color over the top

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and acrylic undercoat or even an oil undercoat. But you know,
waterboard sure seal is awesome for sticking for that sort
of stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:01:37):
Awesome. Okay. Now, exterior timber vertical weather boards that have
been oiled, people are thinking about painting them as a
long lasting option. The oiling is well over board, so
the boards look well overduice, so the boards look pretty dry.
Best course of.

Speaker 7 (01:01:52):
Action hmmm, oiled, I'm goin to.

Speaker 14 (01:02:00):
Oil.

Speaker 7 (01:02:01):
Yeah, you know, like like a Dryden's or a wood
x or something like that. Yes, in which case there's
probably not a lot you can do because you know,
mineral oils look like they've disappeared on the surface, but
they're actually still floating around inside the timber fibers, and
oil painting them and or undercoating them, which you'd have

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to do with an oil undercoat, would actually draw the
oils out and it would you know, the paint would
basically start peeling away and basic. So you know, if
it's an oil, a mineral oil, especially you've had it
basically you have to stick with a mineral oil to
carry on.

Speaker 5 (01:02:44):
Yeah, okay, So it's important then that you try and
do some research as to what's already on there to
make sure that you've got compatibility. Okay.

Speaker 6 (01:02:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:02:52):
If it's a standard penetrating stain like Woodsman or something
like that, you'd be fine. Yep, you just have to
put an oil based wood primer on it. But if
it's a mineral oil, then you need to watch out.

Speaker 4 (01:03:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:03:05):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Now, someone that has moved and recently
and the inside of the garage is in need of
a paint. They found an almost full can of and
it happens to be a not razine paint, so we'll
leave that out for a second. Exterior lochine x so
an old can of exterior lo sheine paint. What I mean,

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like I to be fair, I use some polyurethane the
other day that I bought in twenty sixteen, right, and
I sent a photograph actually to you, mate, Jay and
when look at me, buddy, Horder hanging on to old paint.
But it seems to be okay. But there is kind
of a golden rule around how long you can keep paint.
Isn't there before it's it's no longer good?

Speaker 7 (01:03:49):
Yeah, it depends on how it's stored. Right, you know,
if the can is air tight, you know, you might
be okay with it. Yes, with a crylics you know,
this ear gets in obviously they'll just yep, you'll get
a big thick skin on the top of it. Either
that or you know, after a period of time, they
actually start to go off, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:04:09):
And they smell bad.

Speaker 7 (01:04:11):
So check it out first.

Speaker 5 (01:04:14):
Yeah, if you open the lid and it smells bad,
like that classic rotten egg smell, then go and recycle
the paint, get rid of it and buy some proper.

Speaker 7 (01:04:22):
Page down to one of our stores and get it recycled.

Speaker 5 (01:04:25):
Brilliant, brilliant. Now someone wants to paint their shed an
iron shed, so you know, maybe sort of a pre
coated iron shed. What would they need to PreK or
to undercoat first?

Speaker 6 (01:04:40):
What product?

Speaker 7 (01:04:42):
If it is color steel, then we have a product
called pre coated steel Primer that you can put that
on if you've done on your preparation and spot priming
and checking for rust and all that sort of stuff.
And then two coats of Summit roof, which is lochene
roof paint. But you know, you can use it on

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color steel types situations. If it's just plain old beer
old galvanized iron, then you'd have to go to Galveoux one.
But again, preparation and treating rust and all that sort
of stuff is the best thing to do.

Speaker 5 (01:05:21):
Yeah. Interesting, when we've talked a bit about preparation, I
have to say the difference between you know, typically we
would talk about preparation being I'm just going to hit
it with a water blaster, right, so I want to
paint the outside the house, I'm just going to hit
it with a water blaster. One that can have unintended
consequences in terms of ripping through the paint and rumbling
the paint and all the rest of it. But also

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using a proper proprietary house wash makes a massive difference,
doesn't it. That's worth investing in guaranteed when you want
to do some paint prep is use a proprietary paint
prep solution.

Speaker 14 (01:06:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:06:00):
Well, you know we've got our house washing paint prep
which you can use just to clean the house down. Yes,
if you don't want to paint, you know, you can
use it to clean your house down. And you know
it just lists it again and make it just lifts
all the gun jo off. You know, we've got a
muss and mold killer that it will rip through a
whole lot of moss and mold. We've got our timber

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and deck wash that you use for preparing your deck
before you restain. And you know, we've got a number
of cleaners that you know and do all sorts of things.
You know, we've got even a heavy duty housewash and
paint prep that cuts through grease and stuff like that.
And they're all water boards.

Speaker 6 (01:06:39):
Okay, it's all good stuff.

Speaker 14 (01:06:41):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:06:41):
You mix them with water and follow the instructions and
things will happen.

Speaker 5 (01:06:46):
Right, I must. My ears pricked up when you said
heavy duty. That sounds like a bit of me, right quick.
A couple of questions before we go dilimma to paint
or stain deck boards and battons. What's the easiest for
future on care going forward? So painting or staining? Yeah,

(01:07:07):
for deck boards. I mean painting a deck means you're
going to have to repaint it, and I would have
thought the preparation is much more significant.

Speaker 7 (01:07:15):
Yeah, Well, if it's stained now, then we'll just nip
back to the timber and deck wash that we were
just talking about.

Speaker 6 (01:07:22):
Yep, you give that a.

Speaker 7 (01:07:23):
Good scrub down. It actually opened to timber fibers or
removes all the gunge and all that sort of horrible
stuff that's on the deck and renders it ready for restaining.
But you can still use it if you wish to paint.
But then you'd have to go to an oil based
wood primer and something like our walk on paving paint

(01:07:44):
if you wanted to paint it.

Speaker 5 (01:07:46):
Yeah. Okay, Actually there's another one that's come through really
good question. Actually, morning, can you paint old palaside plastic
type weatherboards they're on a beach front area, so it's
an older style PVC weatherboard. If you wanted to paint it,
what would be the keying element?

Speaker 7 (01:08:06):
Stay away from a dark color for us, right, okay, yep,
And you know dark colors, even cool colors will absorb
you know, a lot of heat. If you paint them dark,
then you can actually walk the color side cleanly. Sure, yep,
but they'll need a really good clean down and to
make sure that you know, with the housewash and paint
prep to make sure that you know the surface is

(01:08:28):
nice and clean. Yes, but with PBC you can generally
just put them the croock coating straight over the top
of it. Yeah, you don't need a prime or anything
like that, you know, downpipes and things like that, you know,
providing they're nice and clean, yes, it's they're okay to
paint straight away, but make sure that you stay away
from a dark color with that to the material.

Speaker 5 (01:08:49):
And this is a great one to end on, probably
a dumb question, No, no such thing. How do you
recycle paint and what does it end up? Where does
it go?

Speaker 7 (01:09:00):
Well, you know, the easiest thing to do is is
throw them in the back of the car. And drive
down to one of our color shops. Yep, you know,
the starf there will help you and sort through it
and make sure that this. You know that all the
cans are in good condition. There's nothing left inside them
like an old roll asleep or a rag or a
brush that somebody's lost. But yes, you know what happens

(01:09:25):
if the paint is reusable, it gets seen away and
the good paint all gets mixed up and turned into
you know, anti graffiti sort of control stuff. You know,
like a basic sort of browns and vases or what
have you. But you know it's good for graffiti control
for you know, community groups and stuff like that. The

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plastic buckets providing their raisine buckets gets ground up and
recycled and turned into new rasine buckets. The metal four
leader cans, one liter of cans and stuff. The metal
actually gets recycled.

Speaker 5 (01:10:02):
Brilliant. It's quite a process, but it is, you know,
it's it's not I'll be absolutely brunt. It's not greenwashing, right,
So if you return your old paint to the Razine
color shops, it does go to recycling of it. In fact,
I've been out to one of the recycling plants. To
see what they do in terms of separating different types

(01:10:23):
of paint out what can be reused, what can be repurposed,
and then recycling the tin. So you know, it's a
it's a fantastic service. I have to say, MM.

Speaker 7 (01:10:34):
If you walk around their head office, they basically used
old acrylic paint as an dative to cement. They've got
these paved areas that have got paint in the cement.
I'm not sure actually what it does, but that's what
they've done with it. Also, we also we will take
solvent as well and they get gent off to solvent

(01:10:58):
reclamation and stuff like that.

Speaker 5 (01:11:00):
Fantastic Again, thank you very much for getting out just
that little bit extra early on this first day Daylight saving.
Bryce McDermott from Razine Color Shops, thank you very much
for your time and your expertise. Really appreciate it. You
have a great day. Take care Bryce all the very bit.

Speaker 6 (01:11:16):
Bye bye.

Speaker 5 (01:11:16):
Then your news talk se'd B will continue to talk
all things building right through to all about eight thirty.
We're going to do a quick interview with Hamish Firth,
a planner from Mount Hobson Group. If you caught up
with comments, I was Actuan Wellington last weekend or last
week listening to Heather as I was walking around the waterfront,
Chris Bishop was on saying, Hey, we've got some ideas

(01:11:37):
around revising and re looking at the Resource Management Act.
What's that going to mean for building? We'll have a
quick chat with Hamish Firth about that, but we'll take
your calls right now on eight hundred eighty ten eighty
All Things Building in Construction. If you've got a question
about building construction, materials, contractors, timelines, that sort of thing.
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number taking your calls.

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Eight hundred eighty ten eighty All Things Building and Construction
this morning on the show, quick text before we talk
to Jackie Pete. A neighbor has built a garden shed
hard up against the concrete block wall of our house.
Is that legal if we need to do some maintenance
and paint We need to do some maintenance and painting,
but the shed is in the way. What can we do? Well,

(01:12:21):
the shed's in the wrong place, the neighbor's shed. They
have absolutely no right to build, certainly not especially if
they've attached something to your block wall. So you know,
I'm sort of got this picture of maybe a ribben
plate being bolted on and then rafters being pitched off there,
so your wall becomes one of the four walls of
the shed. But even if that wasn't the case, if

(01:12:42):
the shed is hard up against your block wall, that's
non compliant. So the rule of thumb for garden sheds,
and please don't laugh because hardly anyone does this, but
the rule of thumb is that it should be the
height of the shed away from the boundary. So you know,

(01:13:04):
even if it's a relatively compact one one point eight meters,
it should be one point eight meters away from the boundary. So,
you know, never an easy conversation, but it might just
be a conversation with a neighbor to say, hey, I'm
really sorry. Here are the guidelines and you'll find them online.
You just can't put it that close. Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighties the number to call Jackie. Good morning

(01:13:26):
to you, good morning, thank you.

Speaker 9 (01:13:28):
For taking my call.

Speaker 5 (01:13:29):
Leasure.

Speaker 9 (01:13:30):
I said, I just said a question.

Speaker 6 (01:13:31):
Please.

Speaker 9 (01:13:32):
I've just done up a bathroom in a farmhouse and
I changed the shower from being a curtain to a door. Yes,
and doing so, the toilet had to be moved to
allow the doors open without having a move. Now, the
toilet is extremely close to the wall right where they've
put it, like really closely when the page is never

(01:13:56):
and a chat on it. You know, a man, you
hit your shoulder.

Speaker 5 (01:14:00):
On the wall.

Speaker 9 (01:14:00):
Oh, okay, is there a minimum distance from a wall
and can it? Can toilets be moved sideways a little bit,
let's say about even one hundred mills would make a difference.

Speaker 5 (01:14:12):
Yeah, absolutely, To be fair, whenever I've been setting out
bathrooms and sort of you know, designing them or thinking
about how i want to orientate the space, I've typically
aimed to have four hundred and fifty millimeters from the
center of the toilet from the pan to the sidewall.
So ideally you need a space of about nine hundred

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millimeters and then the toilet goes in the middle of
that space, and that just gives you look, it's basically
room to move your arms right, and you need to
move your arms to do your business on the toilet.
That's what I've always worked for. Whether or not there
is a specific requirement in the building code in terms

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of functionality, i'd have to go away and have a
look at that, but I've always worked on this four
point fifty raw. It could be a little bit less,
but anything less than that starts to feel really cramped.

Speaker 9 (01:15:04):
Well, this is three hundred three hundred, yes.

Speaker 5 (01:15:08):
From the edge of the bowl, let's say, to the wall,
or from the center of the bowl, from the center
of oh crikey.

Speaker 9 (01:15:16):
Yes, Because I went into some manuals where you know,
house manuals or bathroom manuals, and I looked and I
saw that most of them were four fifty and I'm yeah,
so this is extremely close. I feel question.

Speaker 14 (01:15:33):
Shifted.

Speaker 9 (01:15:34):
So everything being done, lino's been done, and.

Speaker 5 (01:15:37):
The boards that you know, yeah, yeah, so you'd have
to redo the lino because chances are there won't be
enough movement there for the base of the pan to
cover the penetration through the floor. So you may need
to do the lino. And you know, I mean, you
can patch liner, but ideally you don't want joins in
ther lino, particularly not around a toilet. And then obviously,

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you know these days, most of the time the penetration
the water feed for the system system comes through the
wall and is kind of concealed by the system itself,
in which case that will need the wall we need
to be cut open, and that moved along and then patched.

Speaker 7 (01:16:17):
And so on.

Speaker 5 (01:16:19):
Yeah, I mean it's a fath, isn't it to do it? Look,
it can be done, and if you had the space,
obviously long term, you'd want to do it. But I
don't know that i'd be that terribly happy with the
plumber who went ahead and did it. And it's one
of those things where you know, as a tradesperson, you know,

(01:16:41):
you might like you might have laid out the bathroom
and then the trades person comes along and the plumber
in this case and goes, actually, you know what, my
experience would tell me that that's not going to work
particularly well. A quick phone call to go, hey, Jackie,
are you aware that the way that it's laid out
at the moment, it's going to be really close. Do
you want to come and have a look or should
I move it over or something like that? You know,

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just whacking it in sound particularly professional to me.

Speaker 9 (01:17:08):
No, Well, I left the plumber to do all the
install of the shower and the toilet and the vanity.

Speaker 4 (01:17:13):
Of course.

Speaker 5 (01:17:14):
Yeah, it's just and the set out of all of
this was it from a plan or just the plumber
working in that space making their own decisions.

Speaker 9 (01:17:22):
A plumber working in that space.

Speaker 14 (01:17:26):
Was purchased.

Speaker 5 (01:17:27):
Yeah, and so if it's three hundred milimeters from one wall,
what's the distance to the next sort of obstacle on
the other side.

Speaker 9 (01:17:37):
Is it the shower the shower door, Yes, the shower
door that opens, but ah, if you swing the door open,
it's a tight little bathroom if you swing the door
about one hundred and fifty mils or before you hitched
the toilet, if you swung the door open.

Speaker 4 (01:17:55):
If that made sense right.

Speaker 5 (01:17:59):
In defense of the plumber. It may also be one
of those things where until you've actually got the shower
in place, you don't all always know exactly where the
shower door is going to swing. The arc of the
shower door because it might pivot on a hinge. It
might be on a hinge, it might you know. That's
that sort of thing. So working that out, and I
wonder if they've taken a cautious approach and moved the

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toilet further away to make sure they don't have that
embarrassing situation where you've put the toilet in, you've assembled
the shower, you go to open the door and it
hits the toilet, right, So I get it from a
practical point of view, but three hundred millimeters from the
center to the side, is that that's not going to
be a happy place Japan.

Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:18:45):
I mean, look, it can be changed, but ideally you
don't want to patch in your lineer either. But yes,
it can be changed, yeah, I think so. Yeah, Otherwise
it's just going to be one of those frustrating things
every time you're in that space. All the very best.

(01:19:05):
Take care, yeah, take care of Jackie Bob. Then I
eight hundred eighty ten eighty will take your call straight
after News Sport and we're the top of the are
We're also going to have a bit of a conversation
with Hamish Firth, who is, in his own words, a
good old fashioned planner, and that he is indeed around
some proposed changes to the Resource Management Act. And I'll

(01:19:26):
ask him about skinks as well, but that question will
become obvious as to why I might be asking that
in the next hour. I'll do it tally up as
well about unscientific, unreliable, kind of off the cuff pole
about do you have contacts for trades people in your
phone and it seems like most of us do. Which,

(01:19:48):
to be fair, someone's pointed out it's a program about building.
Of course people have got contacts for builders. If you're
listening to a building show, that's a fair point. Oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. You can give us call
now we'll get things sorted out and back after the news.
Here Sad.

Speaker 15 (01:20:19):
Flag into the Dugs.

Speaker 11 (01:20:23):
In a nasty word.

Speaker 8 (01:20:25):
So shine good.

Speaker 5 (01:20:30):
Your news. Talk's that'd be people wolf camp with you,
resident builder, right through till nine o'clock. Let's call it
nine o'clock this morning. Rud will be joining us at
about eight thirty. Just a couple of responses to the
text I mentioned before the news. I'm not sure that
people are quite getting the full picture. One text reply.
So the issue was the person who text and has

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got a block boundary wall, and then a neighbor has
put up a shed right up against that block wall.
Now they need to do some painting and some maintenance.
They can't do it because the shed blocks access to
the wall. A couple of people of texts and goes.
Isn't it amusing that when one person is a shed
the block wall on the boundary and gets annoyed that
their neighbor puts a shed also directly on the boundary

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because it stops them being able to paint their shed. Yeah,
but the point is that I presume, let's assume that
the block wall has a consent for being on the boundary,
the shed would not. That's why the shed has to move.
That's how I would have seen it. Yes, so that's

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how that works. Anyway, we'll discuss that a bit later on.
During the course of the week. See last week I
listened to an interview with Heather duplic Allen here at
Newstalk SeeDB talking with Chris Bishop, who is the minister
looking at changes to the Resource Management Act. And I'm
guessing that for most of us who have ever done

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a building project, or essentially a building project, whether that's
a renovation, alteration, new build, or a development, we've encountered
the Resource Management Act and over the years there's been
a tremendous amount of frustration with it in terms of
its complexity, the scope of it, and potentially the cost

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that it adds to building projects. So that's up for
a review at the moment. Chris Bishop has announced that
there will be some significant changes to get a bit
of an insight into this from someone who knows the
Resource Management Act inside out. It is my great pleasure
to welcome back to the show Hamish Firth from Mount
Hobson Group. Good morning, Hamish.

Speaker 6 (01:22:35):
Peter, good morning.

Speaker 5 (01:22:37):
Can I just start with if someone hasn't encountered the
Resource Management Act because they know they've never done it, Like,
what's it there for? In a nutshell?

Speaker 6 (01:22:49):
The Resource Management is there to guide development potential and
to protect the environment.

Speaker 5 (01:22:55):
Okay, that makes sense, There's nothing wrong with that. So
how has it become the beer myth that it has
become now? And I'm thinking about the chap he was
in the paper last week who wants to develop a
house site in the Waite Tuckeries and has to pay
for some ecological survey because there might be a native

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skink in the area. It's going to cost him tens
of thousands of dollars? Is he having to do that
because of the Resource Management Act?

Speaker 6 (01:23:25):
Absolutely? And I think what happens. Getting a resource consent
has become like a privilege. So you should feel honored
to get one of these now if you own a
section in the Wackies where there might be some native bush. Yep,
you should have a right to build a house subject
to fulfilling some What I would say is simple obligations.

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What I get the sense of happen is it's become
and I'm part of this, a gravy training. So do
you want me to do a report? Of course I'll do,
and you're going to pay me. Of course we need that.
And then it's gone from requiring to needing to be telling.
What I would say is some of it costs more

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sometimes to get the piece of paper all longer than
it takes to do the job itself.

Speaker 5 (01:24:13):
Right, And I mean, I guess in its intent it
was there to protect and I agree, if we're going
to use a resource, we need to manage it. So
the Resource Management Act makes sense. But surely in its
intent originally it would have been around you know, Sylvia
Park wants to be developed, right, so we've got this
massive impact on neighbors and transport and infrastructure. Surely that

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developer needs to go along and go I need a
resource consent for that. But you know, if I'm I
don't know, adding on to the back of my house
and it not impacting the streetscape. In fact, I had
one little while ago where a small alteration to the
back of a house in a heritage area triggered a
requirement for a resource consent and you couldn't even see

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the changes from the street, and you kind of go, so,
why are they worried about that?

Speaker 6 (01:25:04):
Well, whether it's what you talk about the small French
doors at the back of the house that there might
have some inherited jelly where we're effectively replacing lightful like,
or whether we're building Sylvia Park, Peter, it's all been
done before, right, And the wonderful thing about Sylvia Park
and the French doors at the back of the property
is that if we took a more common fence approach,

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we'd say, oh, we've done Sylvia Park. It wasn't as
bad as what we thought. Oh we've replaced French doors before.
It wasn't as bad as what we thought. But what's
actually happened is it's as if the French doors in
Sylvia Park are the first time we've ever seen these things,
don't you, And it is if the council has never
seen one of these before. So what I get the
sense as well is that there is a lacking of

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common sense, the lacking of good judgment, a lacking of
the Latin term deminimus, of a trifle of minor, of
something of minor. Most kin sents are either very localized
or at best regionalized. I flew from the beautiful Fukatani
yesterday and I saw a soul of and you know

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the first thing I thought, pete, which is quite bad.
Maybe I need help, some therapy. Was I wonder how
bloody long it took me to get their resource content.
I then though over the Yi gold mine and on
the ground, and I thought that would never ever, ever,
ever happen today. So I think what you'll see with
planning is planning is the open system, the gateway to development.

Speaker 7 (01:26:31):
To potential.

Speaker 6 (01:26:31):
And I think I see what this government is doing.
They're saying, whether it's minding, whether it's doing hydro, whether
it's building loado ways, or whether it's putting French calls
on the back of the river. It shouldn't be this hard.
And I stand before you and the listeners today and say,
I want to be doing myself out of a job

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by these changes.

Speaker 5 (01:26:54):
So are you optimistic about you know, some of what
you've heard about what Chris Bishop is suggesting will be
changes with the RMA, because my understanding is when Labour
had a crack at it, it went from let's say
seven hund eighty pages to nine hundred. You aren't supposed
to be going the other way.

Speaker 6 (01:27:10):
But I was probably on your show soon after those
reforms came out and I said, how can you be
making it cheaper, faster and more certain by adding complexity.
What I will say with this one is I think
that there are the adults now in the room. There
is a better intent and there is a bit the
outcome has been decided. You know, we want this to
be more certain, we want this to have be less complicated.

(01:27:33):
So they're going to introduce things like national standards. Right.
I have one district plan for each region. So whether
we're in the White Cusa, whether we're in the Far North,
whether in Wellington region, there's only one plan now. That's
very well and I'm spaking to up this before in Auckland,
you know north Shore White Target is they all have
different district plants. Now there's one they not like in

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the city, but there's now one plan over the whole area.
It creates consistency, it creates we have a pattern of
a planned pattern of development, and so I think that
there are there's some very very good intentions. I suppose
what I'll call my Smith test is this, if I
get your simple consent Pepe to put some French doors

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to replace some windows, or I get a smaller Sorbia park,
will the end result be cheaper, faster and more certain?
And that is yes, We're on to a winner. Then
those people are willing to need to get out into
the regions and understand it grassroots level what the problem is.

Speaker 5 (01:28:35):
Yeah, because again you know, from a I suppose an
environmental point of view, I agree there needs to be
controls around what we can do that. If someone is
going to devastate an area of natural beauty or build
on a ridgeline which then becomes a pimple on the
ass of that that area forever, there needs to be
some controls around there. But it just feels like it's

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just got bigger and bigger and bigger. Is that your
sense of it as well?

Speaker 14 (01:29:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:29:02):
And look I've been doing it for twenty seven years
and I've never been more more frustrated with Is that
your example of the French cause in the villa?

Speaker 7 (01:29:12):
Is you put to me of it all.

Speaker 6 (01:29:14):
You know, my advice to you would have been, I'm
really sorry we can find this, but it's that the
council is going to say I need to consent. The
question is why do we need to be worrying about
consents for them? And you take so I almost give
the sense that the pimple the pimple. We're looking at
pimple and making it a lot bigger than what it.

Speaker 8 (01:29:32):
Needs to be.

Speaker 6 (01:29:34):
And I wonder if Pete, legislation alone is the answer,
and and I don't think it is. It's the mindset
of those people who are the decision makers at the
various councils, and they usually use the words I don't
like the.

Speaker 4 (01:29:50):
Point.

Speaker 6 (01:29:50):
The point to you and I, Pete, is that you
and I might not like to live in a thirty
Screameter house or a forties Screameter house, but for many
New Zealanders that's the reality. And so either you'll say
to these people they can't have a house and it's
too hard, or they should be able to have a house.
So I'm a fair believe that we've got can make
the simpler things easier. That legislation alone may not change this,

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but we actually need a development mindset reset that people
live different ways for different.

Speaker 5 (01:30:18):
Reasons, Yeah, at different times in their lives. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:30:21):
And also sometimes one hundred parmeters out of Auckland on
the side of the main highway, where actually need a
service station. I'm dealing with one of these right now
right in DPA. Say no, the council say no, the
regional councils say no, but the community say well, actually
we need to service Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:30:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:30:39):
So that's again a bit larger than things, but smaller
than serve their part. But if you drive around the
rural country of New Zealand, every so often you see
a service station and I don't see lots of accidents,
and I don't see lots of problems, and I don't
see pollution of the environment. So nothing is new under
the sun that we've done.

Speaker 5 (01:30:59):
Yeah, that there is, you know, through experience, a set
of protocols and procedures that will deal with some of
those issues, whether that's you know, traffic, well, we reasonably
know how to manage traffic, run off, sediment control. All
of these things shouldn't be reinvented every time we've got
a new project. There's a template for all this stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:31:20):
Yeah, absolutely right. So what part of the legislation is
they want to introduce a series of national stands. What
I hope is that the national standards are not so conservative.

Speaker 5 (01:31:29):
That we're no better roth than we right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:31:34):
It's funny. We do a lot of billboards. Now most
people in the audience will probably say skillboards. I'm not
really sure about those. And then what we get continuously
from the same traffic engineers are dangerous. I was recently
in the state and I drove from San Diego to
LA and I'm I've got videos and photos of footage.
There are digital billboards every four hundred meters along the motorway. Now,

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if the most litigious country in the world can say
that they're not a traffic hazard, a little old New Zealand,
we reinvent me every time. So I sit through hours
of here and I listened to tracking engineers that the
world is going to end if this is built. Yeah,
it then gets built and the will doesn't end. But
then they oppose the next one, and I sometimes I
come back to that point that they made. Though sometimes

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the rima has become a gravy train or people to
peck whatever side will pay them to say whatever they
want to hear.

Speaker 5 (01:32:27):
It's a great insight. I'm just curious now about the
digital billboards. Were they static images but that might change,
let's say, refresh every ten minutes, or were they dynamic images?
They're moving, Definitely not dynamic.

Speaker 6 (01:32:39):
I think you we could all argue that dynamic images
would create a safety issue. But if they phase out
over the period of half a second and you don't
see the phase out, yeah, they're effectively a static billboard
because you may only see one, at most two images
as you go past that site.

Speaker 5 (01:32:53):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's nice given how many people
are not going to say that, how many people are
on their phone they carry Hey, let's finish on this.
Thank god, Pete, someone with some uncommon sense. Cheers Hamish.

Speaker 6 (01:33:07):
There you go.

Speaker 5 (01:33:08):
That's for you, mate. Really appreciate your time and we'll
stay in touch and especially once they get a little
bit closer to actually having some legislation that we can
have a look at. Really appreciate it. You take care
all the best by then your news talks. He'd be
that's Hamish Firth from Mount Hobson Group, who's a planner,
been a planner for as he said, twenty seven years
he's been working in that field. I've had the opportunity

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of working with him sort of in a semi professional
capacity as well. So just clear thinking, practical thinking. I
guess as well, and look, make no bones, I make
no bones about it. I think that the environment needs
to be protected. The resource that we have is there.

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So you know, if you buy a section and it's
got a notable tree on it, then you can't expect
to go to counsel and ask them to cut it
down or to get permission to cut it down. That
there's a right there's nature has a right to exist
as well. But it's getting the balance right, isn't it. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eight. We got time for
a couple more calls. If you've got a question or

(01:34:11):
a response to that, I'll update you on our thoroughly
unscientific off the cuff pole, and then I'll start thinking
about a topic for next week's poll. I'm only joking,
but I will. I'll update you on the pole in
just a moment. But we've got time for one more
call or two more calls before we jump into the
garden with a redcline pasta from around eight point thirty
this morning. Fantastic text from Olive, but I won't have

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time to address it today, so I'll bring that up
next week. But it's a it's a fantastic text. We'll
do that, but I want to grab these calls. Wendy,
good morning.

Speaker 15 (01:34:44):
Good morning, Dade.

Speaker 5 (01:34:45):
Here are you very well? What's on your mind?

Speaker 15 (01:34:48):
Just wondering cost of fakenesses. We've got a late eighties
built house. Whether we put stuff like insult fluff in
it or double glaze, what would you?

Speaker 5 (01:35:01):
Okay, the date is really important, So I'm going to
assume that because your house is late eighties and insulation
became mandatory for New Zealand buildings in nineteen seventy eight,
that in fact, while you might not have sufficient insulation
let's say in the ceiling, you will have some in
the exterior walls and you should have some in the ceiling.

(01:35:23):
So would I be right? Hopefully well?

Speaker 15 (01:35:28):
Going on going on what information we've gleaned from the council,
we have got plenty of insuallation in our ceiling because
we've had that top up. I haven't opened any.

Speaker 7 (01:35:42):
Patches in the wall.

Speaker 15 (01:35:43):
But going on what information we got from the council.
I don't think there's actually very much in the ceiling
in the walls at all.

Speaker 5 (01:35:52):
Right, Okay, which is disappointing, but let's assume it would
be interesting. Like the easiest way to find out is
you might want to get an electrician or someone more
experience to do it. Is if you take a electrical
fitting like a switch or a PowerPoint off and look outside,
you might be able to see whether or not there
should be insulation at butting the little flushbox that those

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items sit into, So that'll give you an indication. So
I'm going to assume that if it's mid eighties, late eighties,
it's got insulation in the walls, it'll have insulation and
the ceiling because you can see it, and you could
always top that up. In which case, your one week
spot is your single glazing, so ceiling off that week
spot by doing a retrofit double glazing will make a

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significant difference.

Speaker 15 (01:36:38):
And it's got a conservatory on it. Do you do
the conservatory?

Speaker 5 (01:36:42):
Do you just do conservatory? Have a set of doors
between the conservatory and the habitable part of the house.

Speaker 15 (01:36:48):
Yes, it has, Yeah, there's a sliding door.

Speaker 5 (01:36:51):
I wouldn't spend money on the conservatory, I would do
retrofit double glazing onto the sliding door. And you know,
because chances are most of the time you're going to
use the conservatory in summer predominantly, or you'll use it
when it's warm. So rather than spend the money double
glazing that I just do the door, and then you're
essentially what you're looking to do is reinforce the thermal

(01:37:13):
envelope of the habitable space of the house. So do
the double glazing, and that's kind of sealing off your
last passage where heat escapes easily through the single glazing.

Speaker 15 (01:37:25):
And if we took a pairer point off and discovered
that it wasn't insulted.

Speaker 5 (01:37:31):
Look, I really hope that that's not the case, and
I'd be quite disappointed if it was. But saying that
I've seen shonky work before, then you will still get
some benefit from retrofitting the double glazing. But you know,
heat that then used to escape through your single glazing
will look to go somewhere else, and unfortunately, it will

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find a relatively easy path through your exterior walls if
they have little or no insulation in them.

Speaker 15 (01:37:57):
Okay, then all good, Thank you very much.

Speaker 5 (01:37:59):
For that already, thank you, take care for all the
best then bye bye. Now this is interesting. Pete wall
insulation became men in nineteen ninety one. I'm going to
have a look at that, Steve. I'm not doubting it
because I'm amazed at how slack we were in terms
of figuring out that insulation was a good thing. But

(01:38:22):
I've always worked off nineteen seventy eight for insulation. It
might not have been great and sula. I mean, I
remember doing houses where we had aluminium foil on the
back of plasterboard. That was the insulation. Not great, not
call at all. I'll do some research on that the
thinking I mean. I you know, I was the apprentice

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back in nineteen eighty seven. One of my jobs was
putting in insulation in the walls, not just in the settling.
So from my own experience, I've done it ever since
I started building in eighty seven. Roughly, Oha eight one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call
if you would like to talk to Rid climb Past.

(01:39:04):
He is raring to go. I'm going to tell him
at this gorgeous, gorgeous garden that I went to in
Ashburton yesterday as well. He's probably been there himself and
then we're into it. So if you've got any questions
for Rid, call us now oh eight hundred eighty ten
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