Lawyers Who Learn

Claire E. Parsons made equity partner at her first firm, yet found herself paralyzed by a lifetime of fear and perfectionism. Then postpartum depression forced her to try something radical: one minute of daily meditation. That single minute grew into a 30-minute practice that didn't just change her mental health—it transformed her entire career trajectory. In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn, host David Schnurman explores how Clai...

"Are my best days behind me, or are my best days ahead of me?" It's the question that haunts successful professionals in midlife—one they often can't even verbalize. David Schnurman, CEO of Lawline, faces this internal struggle daily, driven by Abraham Maslow's warning: "If you deliberately plan on being less than you're capable of being, you'll be unhappy for the rest of your life."

In this unprecedented episode of Lawyers Who Lea...

When Jessica left her six-figure government position at the SEC Division of Enforcement, she discovered something startling: she wasn’t the only highly educated lawyer secretly "winging it" with her money, many were carrying financial shame that kept them trapped in unfulfilling careers. Today, she's transformed that revelation into a thriving practice as an Accredited Financial Counselor, helping attorneys break free from golden h...

Nine years ago, when Tom Martin talked about chatbots and artificial intelligence to lawyers, they dismissed it, saying it sounded like a science fiction novel. Today, his LawDroid platform serves courts, legal aid organizations, and law firms with AI solutions he's been quietly perfecting since that early skepticism—all while remaining bootstrapped and profitable.

In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn, David Schnurman, CEO of Lawli...

Eric Kanefsky took an 85% pay cut to leave BigLaw for the U.S. Attorney's Office, then borrowed $50,000 to start his own firm—transforming from government lawyer into managing partner of a 25-attorney white collar defense powerhouse.

In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn, host David Schnurman reconnects with his former college roommate to explore Kanefsky's unconventional reverse path from Temple Law through prestigious firms, feder...

What if true transformation isn't about adding more to your life, but deliberately removing what's holding you back? Keith Lee, a partner at Big Law Investor, challenges the conventional wisdom that growth means doing more. His contrarian insight: sustainable change requires sacrifice.

Lee's journey from living in a storage closet under a staircase for a year—training in martial arts with nothing but two suitcases—to becoming a par...

What happens when a successful attorney has not one, but two midlife crises and emerges as a leading voice in cybersecurity? Yan Ross, editor-in-chief of Cyber Defense Magazine and author of "The vCISO Playbook," shares his unconventional journey from Washington D.C. banking law to running a ranch in Arizona while protecting small businesses from cyber threats.

Ross's story begins with a pivotal 1980 bank merger case that led him t...

In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn, David Schnurman, CEO of Lawline, interviews Caitlin Vaughn, Managing Director of Learning and Professional Development at Goodwin, who shares her remarkable journey from practicing attorney to innovating legal education. Caitlin's story begins with an unexpected twist during the 2008 financial crisis when Goodwin created the "Make a Difference Fellowship," allowing half their incoming class to ...

In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn, David Schnurman, CEO of Lawline, interviews Anastasia Boyko, Legal Futurist and Product Evangelist at Filevine and host of PLI's "How to Navigate Law School" podcast. Anastasia shares her remarkable journey from fleeing Ukraine at age eight to becoming a pioneering force in legal education and innovation, earning her self-described title as the "Goldilocks" of career pivots.

The conversation ce...

In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn, David Schnurman, CEO of Lawline, reconnects with Rob Toomey, co-founder of TypeCoach, for a wide-ranging conversation that begins with their shared experience meeting while living in Barcelona and evolves into a deep dive on personality types, AI, and the future of interpersonal competence in legal practice. Rob shares insights from his journey from BigLaw attorney to building a 20-year-old bus...

In this deeply personal episode of Lawyers Who Learn, David Schnurman, CEO of Lawline, interviews Somya Kaushik, Associate General Counsel at Mitratech, who reveals the foundation behind her diverse legal career: a lifelong practice of meditation, yoga, and self-empowerment rooted in her cultural heritage. This conversation explores the intersection of ancient wisdom and modern legal practice, showing how inner work creates outer s...

In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn, David Schnurman, CEO of Lawline, interviews Maria Yiannitsarakos, a practicing real estate attorney turned confidence coach who brings ancient wisdom to modern legal practice. Maria shares her remarkable journey from working at a law firm to building her own practice while raising three children, driven by her need for freedom and the stoic principle of controlling what you can control.

Maria o...

In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn, David Schnurman, CEO of Lawline, interviews Jordan Furlong, founder of Law21 and one of the legal profession's most influential voices on reform and the future of lawyering. This conversation tackles the fundamental questions facing legal education and the profession itself: Why do we have lawyers? What value do they provide? And how should we form competent practitioners in an AI-driven world?...

In this fascinating episode of Lawyers Who Learn, David Schnurman, CEO of Lawline, interviews Conor Grennan, Chief AI Architect at NYU Stern and founder of AI Mindset, who brings a unique perspective on how AI will fundamentally reshape education and work. The conversation begins with an inspiring story about Conor taking his 16-year-old son to Nepal to teach AI to NGOs, revealing how the next generation naturally understands and a...

In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn, David Schnurman, CEO of Lawline, interviews Kendra Brodin, whose unique background as an attorney, social worker, and wellbeing coach led her to become CEO of Esquire Well. This conversation explores the fascinating intersection of law, social work, and entrepreneurship while diving into the real challenges of building authentic expertise and overcoming imposter syndrome.

Kendra opens up about ...

In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn, host David interviews Niki Black, one of legal tech's most influential voices and employee number one at MyCase. This conversation goes beyond the typical career overview to explore the learning journey behind building authentic expertise in a rapidly evolving industry.

Niki opens up about her transition from practicing criminal and civil law to becoming a legal tech evangelist, starting with h...

In this compelling episode of Lawyers Who Learn, host David interviews Steve Fretzin, one of the legal industry's most respected business development coaches and author of five books on legal rainmaking. This isn't your typical business development conversation - it's a candid deep dive into the mistakes and transformative moments that shaped a coaching empire.

Steve opens up about his journey from underachiever to serial entrepren...

In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn, David Schnurman speaks with Robert Hanna, founder of KC Partners legal recruiting and host of the Legally Speaking podcast, one of the legal industry's most successful shows with nearly 400 episodes across 6,500+ cities worldwide.

Robert shares his journey from working at traditional legal recruitment firms to building his own company and becoming a digital media powerhouse. He reveals how test...

In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn, David Schnurman speaks with Ian Nelson, co-founder of Hotshot, a leading legal training company revolutionizing how lawyers develop their skills in the age of AI.

Ian shares his unconventional journey from BigLaw attorney at Kramer Levin to entrepreneur, revealing how a career-changing assignment to London exposed him to the UK's innovative support and legal training system. This experience ins...