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April 22, 2025 • 18 mins

RIP Pope Francis! Britt is currently in Italy and the entire country has gone into mourning. Laura's Hall Pass is in Australia - but how achievable are Hall Passes allowed to be? Britt had a really inspiring chat with her nan and the baby names that are OUT for 2025. 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Are you read The Pickup with Britt Hockley and Laura.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
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the dust? Only good babuzzle down.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
I don't much, but yeah, our big get and what
a wat It don't matter where radd This is the
pick Up.

Speaker 4 (00:22):
Hello guys, It's the pick Up with Britt Harkley and
Laura Burn. Happy first day back to work everyone, you
poor things?

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Is it a happy day?

Speaker 4 (00:30):
I don't know, but we have a very special show
because this is our very first ever cross continental or
cross continent record for the pickup. We do it quite
a bit on our on our podcast Life on cart
But Britt is currently not here.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
No I I heard the news about the Pope, so
they flew me to Italy to be the correspondent on
the ground. I have a strong connection to the Pope,
so I have come to Italy. No I happened to
be in Italy when the Pope passed away. I did
not get flown here for that, but what a crazy time.

(01:03):
So my fiance Ben lives in Italy. He plays for
a football team over here, and I was being the
dedicated fiance and it was going to be my first
game that I got to watch of his team.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
He plays for a team called Genoa.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
And it was supposed to be yesterday and we're all
gearing up for the game, and then very sadly, the
Pope passed away and everything stopped. Everything shut down, the
football matches were canceled, everything was closing, the streets went
into morning. It's been a really wild time.

Speaker 4 (01:34):
I think you were our opportunistic correspondent, but at least
we had We actually do have someone on the ground,
which is more than what most radio shows can say.
And I know that there's one person in the studio
here with me, Producer Grace, who has been There's no
one in Australia who follows pope stories like you do.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Grace. Grace is dialed.

Speaker 5 (01:51):
In weirdly fascinated by the whole thing, Like the whole
idea that the country goes into mourning for nine days
and then there's a conclave and his body gets lie
in state and paraded around.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
It's a whole thing, it really.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
I mean, he's a very very sad for a lot
of people. I understand that as well, but like, yeah,
I mean I think I don't want to say that.
Maybe people were expecting that it was gonna happen because
he was so unwell for so long, he had double pneumonia.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
He lasted longer than a lot of people thought he
was going to.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
He was seen the day before he passed away. He
was outside greeting people and he was blessing people. And
I think that's why it was such a shock, because
people thought, oh, he must be feeling better.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
But in terms of the streets in Italy.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
They have his like all of you know when you
can project images onto walls and things like.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
That, so his images of his face everywhere.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
They have his face everywhere. And it's a pretty amazing time,
a potentially amazing time because we could see the first
Asian or Black pope, which will be so historical.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
There's rules around it, isn't there, Like where do they
have to be within? Like can anyone become a pope
or they have to be with me in ministry?

Speaker 5 (02:58):
Ethnically, any Catholic man can become the pope, but it's
usually between like one hundred and fifty cardinals or something
that are under eighty years old.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
Yeah, it makes sense to have him under eighty. There
has to be a caveat, doesn't there? Yes, we are
talking hall passes, and that is because it is no
secret on this show or anywhere in fact that for
years I have been saying that Jason Momoa was my
hall pass.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Well, hang on, no, you've been saying Jason Momo fair
since the day I met you six seven years ago.
Jason Momo was your hall pass until about twelve months ago.
It took a turn, yeah, and you decided you didn't
like him anymore.

Speaker 4 (03:33):
I've always referred to him as a man that you
could climb, and I just like, he's so far out
of the remit of any person I've ever dated. Like
he's not my quote unquote type. Don't get me wrong,
he doesn't look anything like my husband, Like I wouldn't
kick him out of a bed, But there's I just
find him fascinating. I just like I think ever since
the Game of Thrones that he was in what was
he in?

Speaker 2 (03:53):
There was a well, he was in Baywatch.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
No, he was in that series where it was like
this big warlord thing. I think it was Thrones the
first season. Anyway, ever since then, I was like, oh, hello,
well turns out he's in town. That's what we're talking about, guys.
So Jason Momoa. He's currently the face of Newie ice Cream,
which I'm in great promotion for new I'd love to
know how much money they have to have him as

(04:15):
the number one ambassador.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
But have a listen to this.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
He's currently in Queensland at the Crumban Wildlife Sanctuary.

Speaker 6 (04:21):
Hello everyone, I'm Jason Momore and I'm at the Curumban
Wildlife Hospital. Did you know that koalas are now endangered?

Speaker 3 (04:28):
Well?

Speaker 6 (04:28):
Newie ice Cream are huge supporters of koala conservation and
so they flew me down here so they can meet
with amazing teams that are helping out with our choalers,
so we can have him for the next generation. Let's
go and check it out.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
So I thought I was off him, but now I'm
back on him because he's now he's here to save
the koalas.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Good for Jason.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Oh that there is something about looking at that man
mountain holding that little koala and you're like, yeah, okay,
you're backing my good books.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
My question to you, though, it is Britt is like,
what are the rules around hall passes? Not because I
need to know them for myself. I think we're okay.
I don't think that my husband has anything to worryorry about.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
But I wonder.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
Is a hall pass, like if you joke about a
hall pass, Like, is it actually a real thing. Do
people have hall passes in their relationships that you would
allow your person to step outside like the monogamy of
your relationship to hook up with a celebrity or is
it only that we're okay with having hall passes because
they are completely unattainable.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
Generally speaking, it's because you know that your partner is
never going to have the opportunity to do that, Like
it's so fantastical and so far away that you're like, yeah, sure,
like if have that hole, if you ever have the
chance to look up go for gold. I think if
you were ever presented with the opportunity where your partner
was like, hey, Sydney Sweeney has hit me up and
has invited me to go to her house tonight, I

(05:43):
don't think many people would be actually letting them their partner.
But I think it's down to your relationship, Like plenty
of people would be okay with that.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
I wouldn't. I wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
I think the thing is with a hall pass, it's
okay to like put out a hall pass that's a
ridiculously unattainable celebrit But I think with social media and Instagram,
the lines are being blurred these days, like there's like
really quite you know, quite social media famous people who
someone might have as their hall pass.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
But the thing is is like they live in the
same suburb.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
You might see them down at the beach, Like they're
not as unattainable as what you might think they are.
And I guess like our perspective on what defines a
celebrity or someone with like social media presence or whatever
has shifted. So I think for me, I'm okay with
my husband having a hall pass that is someone who's
super super famous, like Hollywood famous. But Matt's always joked

(06:35):
that his hall pass is Sandra Sully and that feels
too closed to.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
That's yeah, no, especially because we come on and speak
to him in the jungle, Like, isn't Sandra Sally the
one that comes and checks in and reads the news
when you're in the arm of celebrity jungle?

Speaker 4 (06:48):
Yeah, And I wish he was joking, but I actually
don't think he is. I really do think Sandra Sally
is my husband's hall pass.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
She's a babe. I get it. She's an absolute babe.
But they've together. Yeah, that's weird. You've got to have rules.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
I am for years. I'm not going to say who
it was. I had this one hall pass that was
like Hollywood. He was pretty big, is pretty big, and
I came across him on Raya, the dating app, so
I was single at the time, saw him. Still thought
it was like he was out of my league, but
it made me realize that he was single. So I
went to Instagram a couple of fireflames, slid into the dms,

(07:25):
and we got talking and we ended up like becoming
friends where.

Speaker 4 (07:28):
You had to just give a clue of what he
was off at least, like you don't have to say
who he is.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
No, I'm absolutely.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Not No, I'm absolutely not okay, Sandra Sally.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
I'm just giving you Sandra Sally okay.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
But my point was this was like at the end
of COVID and he actually said, Hey, I'm filming something
in New Zealand, like like come hang out, we'll have
a date kind of thing. And I couldn't bloody get there.
I was so excited. I was like, yes, I am there,
and then I couldn't get a flight. I could not
get the flight out of country, and I'm like, you
are kidding me.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
This is the opportunity to.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Tick off a whole path, something that you never think.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Is even in reach, and I couldn't do it. Okay,
I'm going to figure out who it is and I'll
tell you what ext.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
So I had this really beautiful conversation on the weekend
with my nan. And I don't get to see my
nan often. She lives in Portant Quarry. She's eighty seven.
She is on her own. She's been on her own
for many, many years, and she lives on her own
in a village like assisted living, but not you know,
it's not assisted. It's completely independent, like you live alone

(08:33):
in a house, but the house is amongst other houses.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
It's just like a suburb.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
So it's a.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Retirement village but you're in your own house. Yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
It's a real community there. It's really nice. Got you.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
But I had this conversation with her. We were up
there for my mum's birthday. And makes me upside to
think about actually now that i'm thinking about it, but
maybe there's a message in this for you guys. Now,
if you're with your grandparents, or you have someone in
your life. I was asking her what is left on
her bucket lit and not that she's dying or anything,
but she'll often bring it up, like, hey, what do
you want of mind before I'm going to cark it

(09:04):
one day?

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Like you know what joy do you want?

Speaker 3 (09:06):
And I said, heynn, what's your what's on your bucket list?
Like I want to do something for you like you
tell me and I will tick it off for you.
I will make whatever you want happen. And I was
prepared for anything, right, like you know that's.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
A fair balloon anything, take me to Morocco.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
Now. Min Nan has raised four kids on her own
since she was twenty.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
She has one arm.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
She lost one arm to polio when she was twenty,
and she has just not had an easy life. She
didn't have a lot of family around. She was a teacher,
she is. She've only retired a couple of years ago.
She worked a really long time and.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
I don't know what I was expecting.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
But she thought about it for a second and she said,
you know what, I don't have a bucket list, And
I said, well, let's make one. She thought about it again.
She said, there is nothing that I would want to
do that I haven't already done, or that I'm not
doing right now.

Speaker 5 (09:58):
You know.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
She looked around.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
It was my mum's birth, so all the nieces and
nephews were there, like her great grandchildren, her children were there,
and we were there, so normal grandchildren, so every layer
she had, and she said, I've just done everything I
want to do, and everything that I want to do
left in life I can do right here, right now.
And it was this moment where I was like, wow, like,

(10:19):
you have had it so hard, You've had nothing given
to you, you have faced so many challenges, and still
to this day you're not complaining and you are finding
such happiness in the little things. And it really made
me just think, maybe we just set these expectations so
high for ourselves and we're finding all these things for
like adrenaline, like we almost need to make ourselves feel

(10:39):
something instead of thinking of all these really little moments
that are the important moments in there every day.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
I think there's something really beautiful in that around perspective, right, Like,
I mean, we're definitely we definitely subscribe to the hustle
culture or like what's the next thing the next success,
the next thing you're going to tick off. I mean,
I also think we're just the generation of lists in general.
But I think there's something beautiful in perspective of getting
to that age and being able to feel as though

(11:04):
all the.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Things that you want in your life you already have.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
What a beautiful place to be, rather than getting to
eighty seven and thinking I have so many things that
I want to do and haven't done and will never do,
like what you know.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Yeah, And then the other thing.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
That she said was, and this is what makes me upset.
I guess that maybe life just passes us by. But
she said, thanks for asking me that. She's like, no
one will pray. She's like, no one really talks to
me about life anymore, and not.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Like in a what's coming.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Yeah, She's like, it's just sometimes you think, like people
in your life have lived a whole life. She's eighty seven,
she's lived through pandemics, she's lived through alls, she has
one arm, she's you know, she's done so much. She's
survived polio, and there must be so much to talk about.
But sometimes I think you're a little forgotten. And I'm
not saying that my family forgets so absolutely not. They're
all so close. But it was just this moment where

(11:52):
she's like, yeah, think you know, like people don't ask
me about those things or reflections on my life or.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yeah, so I don't know.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
I just thought it was like.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
One of the really important pivotal moments where I was like, oh,
you know, I want to talk about this and I
want to remind people that if you have those people
in your life to have those conversations and find out
about you know, the most interesting people in the world
are people that have lived.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
What did it do for you though, in terms of
perspective when you think, like all the things that you
want to do, or like the goals that you have
and everything else, did it change anything about how you
see the priorities in your life?

Speaker 2 (12:20):
One hundred percent?

Speaker 3 (12:22):
It definitely makes me think My priorities right now have
been very heavily.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
And for probably the last decade, have been work related.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
I've always been very career driven and it's been the
number one thing. And she did make me think that
career and work is only important if you're sharing it
with people or if you're you know, it's like a puzzle.
Your life is a jigsaw puzzle, and you need all
these things to go together, so as long as ones
not overtaking the other. So it's just one of those
food for thought perspective things where I thought, you know what,

(12:49):
I want everyone to think about it now and go
and ask your your parents or your grandparents, go and
ask them something about their life or something that you
really want to know, something you might regret if they
did leave this world and you never ask them.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
Yeah, that's the opposite to it, isn't it. Usually they're
all the questions that you want to ask. When they're
not around to ask anymore, or they're not able to
answer those questions anymore, that's when you really start thinking
about it.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
But it's really sweet.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
I know.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Sorry, I didn't expect to cry then. I really took
me over.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
Now it is that time of year again where it
comes around where there is like the most common baby
names are twenty twenty five, but also the least common
baby names and the names that have dropped out of
the hot one hundred when it comes to naming your kids.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Is this something that people bookmark in their diary the
hottest one hundred baby names, like Christmas.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
Comes, Easter comes the baby list name cars.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
I've always cared about baby names. I was that kid
in school even.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
Though I wasn't even sure if I was going to
have kids, but I always had like a list of names.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
That I liked.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
I always thought I was going to have a girl
and I was going to name her a Kaisha. Wow,
I did that didn't happen. I did have a girl though,
Kaysha Acacia. Did you make that up?

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Okay, No, it's to have tree.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yeah, God, I you've left that one in the forest.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
I was about nine years old.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
Marley, if we ever have another kid, my oldest order
she wants us to call it Genevieva.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
I was like, that's not a real name. Feva. No,
I think it is a name.

Speaker 4 (14:05):
I don't think Genevieva's in the Hottest one hundred, do
you know? All right, Well, look, we're not talking about
the names through at the top of the list. We're
talking about the very common baby names that dropped out
of the Hot one hundred for twenty twenty five. And
some of these I think will really surprise you because
some of these names I would have thought were still
very very common.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Now.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
The name that has had the absolute biggest drop in
terms of boys' names is Owen. It experienced the biggest
drop in rankings, falling fifty places from ninety one to
number one hundred and forty one on this year's list.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
I don't think that's a bad thing, Owen.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
Because that makes you not as common anymore. So on
this list of the nine the top nine names that
have fallen out of the top one hundred, three of
them are family names.

Speaker 5 (14:47):
For me.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Michael, Owen, and Charles are all.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
People in my family. They're all very traditional names. All right,
let's go through them.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
So these here are the top nine that have fallen
out for boys' names. Michael A I like ari Aris
called it can stay. Ari is a great name.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Didn't even know what's in the top one hundred. Olie
Olie's gone.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
Olie is Oliver saying no time to rest Ollie.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Hamish.

Speaker 4 (15:11):
Do you think it's because Hamish Blake is not on
the airways anymore and everyone was calling their kid Hamish
Blake for a period.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
They're not Blake.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
I don't know if we're gonna attest the top one
hundred names to attribute the top one hundred names to
Hamish Blake.

Speaker 4 (15:23):
I absolutely think that Hamish would have been a popular
name for a while because people love Hamish Blake.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Okay, all right, we'll give him that. Owen out, Ruben out,
Ruben Sandwich. Never even heard of him, Ruben.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
I know three Rubens age three six.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Year old Rubens. Wow. Zachary out. Zachary Hanson was great, though.
I understand why people like that name, the Hansons.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
Charles out. It's because of King Charles. Now, you can't
name your kid King Charles.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
You can't August.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
I love August for a boy. Yeah, August has been
on my list, believe it or not. Baby names by fiance.
Ben has vetoed it. He can't get over the fact
that it's a month. He's like, cool, why don't we
call it April? I said, also a name, Ben, also
a name.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Also name April is a name that I know? All right,
what I told him?

Speaker 4 (16:12):
And here are the top girls names that are out
of the top one hundred. Now okay, so Harlow no
longer the top one hundred, Quinn, Cleo, thea Peyton. I
didn't even know Peyton was in the top one hundred.
I know a Paton, Athena and Lara.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
Do you think Quinn was made it to.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
The top one hundred because of Harley Quinn. No, now,
Margot Robbie played Harley Quinn and that whole movie came out.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
But wasn't she a psychopath?

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Yeah, but still they killed people.

Speaker 4 (16:38):
I don't know if people are watching movies like that
and thinking that's a great name for my beautiful little
newborn baby, Like I'm going to namer after like the Joker.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
What were you gonna call your kid when you were.

Speaker 4 (16:47):
A Kasha was a namer after a tree. I was
a namer after a tree. I mean, some of these names,
I'm surprised. Well, some of them I'm surprised they were
ever in the top one hundred, and others I'm surprised
they left. Were you the type of person who wrote
the list?

Speaker 2 (16:59):
As a kid?

Speaker 4 (16:59):
Like do you have even though like you know you're
in the know, you're thinking about whether or not you
would have kids and whether you guys are gonna try soon.
Do you have a list of baby names, your favorite
baby names.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
I wouldn't say it's a list.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
There's about four names on it, but that's because ben
Veto's every name that I like. And I think that
is because we're from different parts of the world, so
like he thinks Australian names, you know, Australian names are
a bit unusual, Like that's our vibe, right, Like we
don't mind different names. Over in Europe, they're pretty mainstream,
Like they like the really traditional name, beautiful names traditional.

(17:34):
I mean, Ben's Ben Benjamin. But so every time I
say something it's pretty normal in Australia, and he thinks
it's like the most abstract out of this world name.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
So we might have a hard time. I think this
is an odd one.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
So my husband, his name is Matthew David Johnson, right,
that's his full name. But then he also has a
brother named David. So his mum liked the name so
much that she gave one kid the middle name David
and another.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Kid the first name David. Is that odd? Who knows?
I feel like there's so many names.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
That was really convalent Ostria forward for a second.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
I don't think it's that.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Weird, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (18:06):
It'd be like me now calling a kid May because
I've already got a kid called Marley May, and then.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Naming another one May. It just oh yeah, look.

Speaker 4 (18:13):
I mean I think it's an indication that maybe Elliet
had too many kids.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
She's got five children,
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