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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hates well and morning. I hope you having a great Friday afternoon.
(00:03):
We've got a very very special guest in Chloe Pink
who joins us in the studio right now. Chloe is
married to North Melbourne Football Club in the AFL's Toby
Pink and Chloe joins in the studio right now to
talk about something that she went through recently that we
think categorically sucks and so she's need to try and
make things better for everybody else going forward. Chloe, welcome
(00:23):
to Willam Woodie.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Thank you for having me. Guys, I appreciate the platform
to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Do you want to talk us through? So you had
a secret wedding to your now husband, Toby. Yeah, and
that was back in March. Yeah, first lead, congrats.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Thank you, look beautiful by the way, thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Where was it?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Where was it exactly?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
We went to the wedding registry, so just the office
right next to the Treasury Guarden.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
We're on the steps out of the front there. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah, So we just went there and then we had
a long table dinner at Bosley Bar and Restaurant, which
is beautiful by the way, if you need a recommendation.
We had a long table dinner.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
There you to join the marketing team.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Here, I'm getting paid to say that.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I got a wedding for free now.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
And yeah, we kept it on the down low and
didn't tell anyone else. We've been together for over seven years.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
And then fast forward a few months. So fast forward
to a couple of days ago. There's a news article
written about the fact that you and Toby got married.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yes, yeah, so Jackie from harold Son, she reached out
to me and said, are you okay we do an
article on your wedding. It was really beautiful and I said,
of course, like that sounds lovely. That article went live,
and from the back end of that article is when
I guess put it up. In this situation, there was
a lot of viral comments coming hard and fast, all
(01:43):
about my appearance, all about my weight. There were comments
calling me a fridge, comments saying that Toby was a
AFL player by day, peak hunter by night. Yeah, there
was the comments that genuinely shocked me, not even just
calling me fat like that was really vile comments. And
they were not just one or two I think, yeah
(02:05):
it was. It was it's been a hard, hard week,
not just one or two either. There were so many
and Harold Son did what they could, like they were
deleting the comments, and eventually they had to turn off
the comments. But it was it was I'd never experienced
anything like it, and I guess I it was a
bit naive, and I know that I'm going to get
a hate comment. I know that someone's going to call
(02:27):
me fat, but it didn't expect it to this extent.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Did you know that? Did you know that? Sorry just
to because he said I knew that I was going
to get a comment on someone's good So Jackie calls
you in the harold Son. Probably a lot of people's dream. Yeah,
they want to put your photo in the paper of
you marrying your beautiful man.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Of probably one of the best days of your life.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, that was going to happen. And then at the
same time you're saying, in the back of your mind
was also a thought where you were like, I know
someone's going to call me fat publicly in these photos.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
How did you know?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Because I've been to another event where my photo's been posted.
I've also received one or two comments about the way
that I look. But I didn't expect it to be
to the extent that it was. I expected one or
two comments, and I can take that, which I shouldn't
have to. I know that someone out there is going
to say I look fat, but I did not expect
(03:22):
the vile comments and to the extent and the nature
of what was to come.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
And how did you think you looked on your wedding day?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I had a hard conversation actually with a close family member,
and I said, my wedding day was the first day
where I've actually felt truly beautiful and makes my mom
My mom's been crying a week because she said, She's like,
you looked beautiful. She said, you felt beautiful, and I
truly did. Thank you. Even when I uploaded the photos,
(03:52):
I didn't question if I looked fat. I didn't question
if I looked ugly. I didn't question my appearance. I
felt so beautiful.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
So when these comments start coming through, how did you
see them?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
So I read the comments and I just spent I
think three days straight crying home. Initially, Toby's like, no way,
there's no way. And Toby just sat there in silence
for like a good day, and he's like, I am
so sorry, And it felt like he was apologizing to
me because I was saying, oh, it's just I was
(04:23):
crying and it really hurt. But in the back of
my mind, I kept saying, it's just part of his job.
It's just part of his job. It's fine, it's just
part of his job. But the more I reflect on that,
it's not it's not. And if I say that, I'm
excusing your behavior.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah, So we want to get to how we can
do better about this. Yeah, all those, We've got a song,
and we've got more with Chloe Pink right up next
here on will and what he By the way, I
should mention if any of this brought up any emotions
of body image, then reach out to the Butterfly Foundation
on wait one hundred double three four six seven three.
I want to talk about how he can get better. So,
(04:57):
first of all, I said this to you in the
song You're doing so like it's incredible that you're in
here talking about this, Like I think if I read
anything about myself like that, I'd be dead and buried,
like I'd be in a hole for six months. Like
that is really really tough.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
So you're in this situation where really the issue here
is an expectation that we have of how women should be.
What do you think the expectation is and how would
you like it to change.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I think there's women in general, especially professional athletes partners.
I think there's an expectation that you have to be
a certain size. But if I say that, I could
be a SI six and I would still get hate comments.
So some people, unfortunately, and unfortunately I know it's not
all men, but it tends to be a man. Of course,
(05:46):
they think they have and think they can have an
opinion on women and their bodies, and I think that's
really deep rooted within themselves. I don't think someone asked
me what would I say to them?
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Helping the thought almost, isn't it. Yeah, let's go to
stage one here, because I don't want people to get
to stage one, which is that they have that thought
to think that you could look at someone's happiest day,
which is their winning day, and focus on that part,
which is your appearance. That's the bit that you want
to change. But I don't know how you begin to
(06:20):
change that, Like is it the way we talk to kids?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Chloe, Toby and I have been having some really hard conversations,
especially over the last two days and the last night,
especially in Adelaide at the moment, but we had a
FaceTime and I said, how do we do better and
how do we stop this? And Toby's first point was,
we need to teach our children better. We need to
stop talking about people's bodies. Talk about what their bodies
can do, not what they look like. Another one is
(06:45):
our grandparents. I often find and especially with all those comments,
unfortunately it was older man, which it's the truth. It sucks,
it's an uncomfortable conversation, but it was. And I think
having the conversation with them, that they make sad little
marks and they may not think of anything about it, but.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
We just it really carries the weight of the world.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Correct, correct, And we just say, oh, that's who it is,
that's just that generation. Yeah, but I think that's another
opportunity for doing better is calling that out. Yeah, yeah,
very uncomfortable. I can't imagine calling out my grandparents. Very uncomfortable,
but we have to.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Yeah. Yeah, Woods and I've both got little girls. My
little girl came home from daycare the other day, she's
two and a half. Clearly it hadn't been meant in
a particular way, but she started talking about her big belly,
and she was like pointing O belly and beIN, I've
got a big belly. I've got it. And it was
all fun and games and I really didn't think too
much of it. But afterwards and just hearing you say
this now, I had the moment where I was like speaking, like, actually,
(07:48):
how she is. She's a lot bigger than the other kids.
And I think it might have even just been her
noticing I have a big belly. So I was in
this situation where I was like, at what point do
I say to her? Yeah, well, you know you can.
I can clearly say that you're joking about that, sweetheart.
But at the same time, like, it's just a belly.
We don't need an adjective there, Like, you know, you
got a big belly.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Look at me.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I've got a big belly now as well, you know.
So I instantly made it fun for her. But funny
how quickly you put a I mean like, I could
tell you every I could give you an adjective right
now for every single part of my body, yeah, from
my toenails to my head. I have thought about subconsciously
a word that would describe that yeah, And that is natural,
so heavily ingrained in us.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
You're not naturally going to say, oh, your belly is
really good. Yeah, it's going to make it grow. You're
not naturally going to say children. And that was the
other conversation with Toby. I said, Okay, that's great. We
don't have children right now. What can we do now?
TikTok actually is being great. I uploaded my TikTok I
have a filter on, and it's all like nasty words
(08:51):
like fat oka, like spare words. And I go into
my TikTok and I have like hundreds of comments there
to review because they have those words.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
It saved them for that. Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Picked it out. Yeah, which has been great because if
I want to go review them, I mentally prepare myself. Well,
if I don't want to read them, I don't even.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Have to have a little cool I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah, it's been great.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Yeah, Okay, we're very old.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
We're not on TikTok either, was I actually to reason?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
That's yeah, Yes, ninety nine percent of my response has
been from women, but only one percent has been from men. Yeah,
one percent, ninety nine percent women. And I was having
the conversation with my husband as well, and it's up
to us men to call it out. It's not going
to stop if the men are not calling it out.
(09:40):
And he openly admitted, he said, I need to do better. Yes,
I support you at home, great, but publicly I struggle.
I struggle with it.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
A football club, that's right, the he being and amongst that, yeah,
all the times played football his whole life, Toby. Yeah,
in amongst top level football, that is breeding ground for
this sort of stuff. Really and he traditionally.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, he wanted me to call that out as well,
he said, And I know he loves me for my
parents as well, like it's it's not just about who
I am, but he loves my appearance. And he said,
we need to do better, and he said, we need
we need more men. Unfortunately, guys, sorry, I need you
to call it.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Out you here as well. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Great job, and congrats again.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Thank you. We went to we went away for one night,
but post season, I need a honeymoon.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Stop planning, Chloe will and what do you Chloe? Thank
you so much for coming in.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Thank you. Thanks guys
Hates well and morning. I hope you having a great Friday afternoon.
(00:03):
We've got a very very special guest in Chloe Pink
who joins us in the studio right now. Chloe is
married to North Melbourne Football Club in the AFL's Toby
Pink and Chloe joins in the studio right now to
talk about something that she went through recently that we
think categorically sucks and so she's need to try and
make things better for everybody else going forward. Chloe, welcome
(00:23):
to Willam Woodie.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Thank you for having me. Guys, I appreciate the platform
to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Do you want to talk us through? So you had
a secret wedding to your now husband, Toby. Yeah, and
that was back in March. Yeah, first lead, congrats.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Thank you, look beautiful by the way, thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Where was it?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Where was it exactly?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
We went to the wedding registry, so just the office
right next to the Treasury Guarden.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
We're on the steps out of the front there. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah, So we just went there and then we had
a long table dinner at Bosley Bar and Restaurant, which
is beautiful by the way, if you need a recommendation.
We had a long table dinner.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
There you to join the marketing team.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Here, I'm getting paid to say that.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I got a wedding for free now.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
And yeah, we kept it on the down low and
didn't tell anyone else. We've been together for over seven years.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
And then fast forward a few months. So fast forward
to a couple of days ago. There's a news article
written about the fact that you and Toby got married.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yes, yeah, so Jackie from harold Son, she reached out
to me and said, are you okay we do an
article on your wedding. It was really beautiful and I said,
of course, like that sounds lovely. That article went live,
and from the back end of that article is when
I guess put it up. In this situation, there was
a lot of viral comments coming hard and fast, all
(01:43):
about my appearance, all about my weight. There were comments
calling me a fridge, comments saying that Toby was a
AFL player by day, peak hunter by night. Yeah, there
was the comments that genuinely shocked me, not even just
calling me fat like that was really vile comments. And
they were not just one or two I think, yeah
(02:05):
it was. It was it's been a hard, hard week,
not just one or two either. There were so many
and Harold Son did what they could, like they were
deleting the comments, and eventually they had to turn off
the comments. But it was it was I'd never experienced
anything like it, and I guess I it was a
bit naive, and I know that I'm going to get
a hate comment. I know that someone's going to call
(02:27):
me fat, but it didn't expect it to this extent.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Did you know that? Did you know that? Sorry just
to because he said I knew that I was going
to get a comment on someone's good So Jackie calls
you in the harold Son. Probably a lot of people's dream. Yeah,
they want to put your photo in the paper of
you marrying your beautiful man.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Of probably one of the best days of your life.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, that was going to happen. And then at the
same time you're saying, in the back of your mind
was also a thought where you were like, I know
someone's going to call me fat publicly in these photos.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
How did you know?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Because I've been to another event where my photo's been posted.
I've also received one or two comments about the way
that I look. But I didn't expect it to be
to the extent that it was. I expected one or
two comments, and I can take that, which I shouldn't
have to. I know that someone out there is going
to say I look fat, but I did not expect
(03:22):
the vile comments and to the extent and the nature
of what was to come.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
And how did you think you looked on your wedding day?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I had a hard conversation actually with a close family member,
and I said, my wedding day was the first day
where I've actually felt truly beautiful and makes my mom
My mom's been crying a week because she said, She's like,
you looked beautiful. She said, you felt beautiful, and I
truly did. Thank you. Even when I uploaded the photos,
(03:52):
I didn't question if I looked fat. I didn't question
if I looked ugly. I didn't question my appearance. I
felt so beautiful.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
So when these comments start coming through, how did you
see them?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
So I read the comments and I just spent I
think three days straight crying home. Initially, Toby's like, no way,
there's no way. And Toby just sat there in silence
for like a good day, and he's like, I am
so sorry, And it felt like he was apologizing to
me because I was saying, oh, it's just I was
(04:23):
crying and it really hurt. But in the back of
my mind, I kept saying, it's just part of his job.
It's just part of his job. It's fine, it's just
part of his job. But the more I reflect on that,
it's not it's not. And if I say that, I'm
excusing your behavior.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah, So we want to get to how we can
do better about this. Yeah, all those, We've got a song,
and we've got more with Chloe Pink right up next
here on will and what he By the way, I
should mention if any of this brought up any emotions
of body image, then reach out to the Butterfly Foundation
on wait one hundred double three four six seven three.
I want to talk about how he can get better. So,
(04:57):
first of all, I said this to you in the
song You're doing so like it's incredible that you're in
here talking about this, Like I think if I read
anything about myself like that, I'd be dead and buried,
like I'd be in a hole for six months. Like
that is really really tough.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
So you're in this situation where really the issue here
is an expectation that we have of how women should be.
What do you think the expectation is and how would
you like it to change.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I think there's women in general, especially professional athletes partners.
I think there's an expectation that you have to be
a certain size. But if I say that, I could
be a SI six and I would still get hate comments.
So some people, unfortunately, and unfortunately I know it's not
all men, but it tends to be a man. Of course,
(05:46):
they think they have and think they can have an
opinion on women and their bodies, and I think that's
really deep rooted within themselves. I don't think someone asked
me what would I say to them?
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Helping the thought almost, isn't it. Yeah, let's go to
stage one here, because I don't want people to get
to stage one, which is that they have that thought
to think that you could look at someone's happiest day,
which is their winning day, and focus on that part,
which is your appearance. That's the bit that you want
to change. But I don't know how you begin to
(06:20):
change that, Like is it the way we talk to kids?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Chloe, Toby and I have been having some really hard conversations,
especially over the last two days and the last night,
especially in Adelaide at the moment, but we had a
FaceTime and I said, how do we do better and
how do we stop this? And Toby's first point was,
we need to teach our children better. We need to
stop talking about people's bodies. Talk about what their bodies
can do, not what they look like. Another one is
(06:45):
our grandparents. I often find and especially with all those comments,
unfortunately it was older man, which it's the truth. It sucks,
it's an uncomfortable conversation, but it was. And I think
having the conversation with them, that they make sad little
marks and they may not think of anything about it, but.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
We just it really carries the weight of the world.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Correct, correct, And we just say, oh, that's who it is,
that's just that generation. Yeah, but I think that's another
opportunity for doing better is calling that out. Yeah, yeah,
very uncomfortable. I can't imagine calling out my grandparents. Very uncomfortable,
but we have to.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Yeah. Yeah, Woods and I've both got little girls. My
little girl came home from daycare the other day, she's
two and a half. Clearly it hadn't been meant in
a particular way, but she started talking about her big belly,
and she was like pointing O belly and beIN, I've
got a big belly. I've got it. And it was
all fun and games and I really didn't think too
much of it. But afterwards and just hearing you say
this now, I had the moment where I was like speaking, like, actually,
(07:48):
how she is. She's a lot bigger than the other kids.
And I think it might have even just been her
noticing I have a big belly. So I was in
this situation where I was like, at what point do
I say to her? Yeah, well, you know you can.
I can clearly say that you're joking about that, sweetheart.
But at the same time, like, it's just a belly.
We don't need an adjective there, Like, you know, you
got a big belly.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Look at me.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I've got a big belly now as well, you know.
So I instantly made it fun for her. But funny
how quickly you put a I mean like, I could
tell you every I could give you an adjective right
now for every single part of my body, yeah, from
my toenails to my head. I have thought about subconsciously
a word that would describe that yeah, And that is natural,
so heavily ingrained in us.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
You're not naturally going to say, oh, your belly is
really good. Yeah, it's going to make it grow. You're
not naturally going to say children. And that was the
other conversation with Toby. I said, Okay, that's great. We
don't have children right now. What can we do now?
TikTok actually is being great. I uploaded my TikTok I
have a filter on, and it's all like nasty words
(08:51):
like fat oka, like spare words. And I go into
my TikTok and I have like hundreds of comments there
to review because they have those words.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
It saved them for that. Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Picked it out. Yeah, which has been great because if
I want to go review them, I mentally prepare myself. Well,
if I don't want to read them, I don't even.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Have to have a little cool I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah, it's been great.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Yeah, Okay, we're very old.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
We're not on TikTok either, was I actually to reason?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
That's yeah, Yes, ninety nine percent of my response has
been from women, but only one percent has been from men. Yeah,
one percent, ninety nine percent women. And I was having
the conversation with my husband as well, and it's up
to us men to call it out. It's not going
to stop if the men are not calling it out.
(09:40):
And he openly admitted, he said, I need to do better. Yes,
I support you at home, great, but publicly I struggle.
I struggle with it.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
A football club, that's right, the he being and amongst that, yeah,
all the times played football his whole life, Toby. Yeah,
in amongst top level football, that is breeding ground for
this sort of stuff. Really and he traditionally.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, he wanted me to call that out as well,
he said, And I know he loves me for my
parents as well, like it's it's not just about who
I am, but he loves my appearance. And he said,
we need to do better, and he said, we need
we need more men. Unfortunately, guys, sorry, I need you
to call it.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Out you here as well. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Great job, and congrats again.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Thank you. We went to we went away for one night,
but post season, I need a honeymoon.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Stop planning, Chloe will and what do you Chloe? Thank
you so much for coming in.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Thank you. Thanks guys
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