Ben Kochan and Good Morning Vietnam

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thank you today, Peter Hall are here, Welcome to you
and seeing nothing yet the movie podcast. We're ourtch out
to a movie lover. How about a classical beloved movie
they haven't quite got around to watching until now? And
today's guests Comedian Ben Cushion, Oh below, I want to
stay here with you.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Why hate snakes shucked?

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Hi hail could happening right now?

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Don't see nothing?

Speaker 1 (00:53):
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I saw one from Claire recently. I just finished The
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ninety nine, and we had to write an essay on
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I'm not sure we discussed the themes of terrorism. Chick
me that podcast, but yes, get on to us any

(02:17):
way you can. WED love to hear from you. Today's guests.
Fantastic comedian. He's up and coming, but that's almost patronizing
because he've been doing it for a few years now
and he's an absolute joy on stage. Ben cashon He's
like a ha's like an old soul about him in
that he is a real classic joke writer and his

(02:39):
jokes are so sharply written. But pointy. Is that a
thing like point? Like sharp? For there's sharp and pointy,
I think. But I really enjoy watching him on stage.
He often takes a stage he relaxed in a T
shirt and shorts. He's bringing shorts a lot. I think
he's the first of the shorts. I might bring that
up with him. I'm pretty sure I'm on the record

(03:01):
that he was first of the shorts. Sam Simmons, oh
maybe maybe Sam fall Art's gone since I reckon Ben
might have been the first recent with the shorts. I'm
going out on a limb. But Ben, he's hilarious. He's
in demand. He's open for a lot of comedians, from
Hughsey to Will Anderson, Tom Gleeson. He's written for Guy
Montgomery's Guymond Spelling Bee, which is on the ABC right now.

(03:23):
As this goes out into the world The Fantastic Show,
I did an episode of that Question Everything on the
ABC the one hundred with Andy Lee on Channel nine.
He's a fantastic I mentioned in the in the episode
that he is the partner of Conjeti Bristo and.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
They are.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
A beautiful union. They are. And I mentioned it because
when Chet was on the show, she mentioned it. Ben
doesn't particularly like old films, so it'll be interesting to
see how Good Morning Vietnam goes for him, Because it's
nineteen eighty seven doesn't seem for me as a forty
nine year old, doesn't seem like an old film. But
for Ben being quite a bit younger, was it gonna
film like it? I feel like an old film? Let's
see a big question thinks up The Morning Vietnam. Ben.

(04:04):
He's funny, he's smart, and he's a he's a really
generous like I'm bloody stuck to be hanging with him today.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
Hi, my name is Ben. Caution my three favorite films? Uh,
step brothers.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Let's play game all right.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
On the count of three, name your favorite dinosaur.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Don't even think about it, just name it ready one
two three.

Speaker 5 (04:28):
Lasciraptor, favorite non pornographic magazine to masturbate, two Good Housekeeping.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
If you were a chick, who's the one guy you
would sleep with? John Sames? What did we just become
best friends?

Speaker 4 (04:41):
Yep, says don't come over with the tom stay stone,
shut up.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
It's all about stones.

Speaker 5 (04:51):
Shut up, shut up, shut up.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Jesus christ Man, what the hell is wrong with you?
Please just shut up?

Speaker 6 (04:59):
Fuck?

Speaker 3 (05:01):
What's for the hostility?

Speaker 4 (05:02):
Man? I know you're a little frustrated with your life
right now, but you can choose to be less hostile.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
The fucker head into us right?

Speaker 3 (05:15):
Oh boy, oh boy, Hey, that's not cool.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
Asshole hard.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
And the big short.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
I don't like it.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
He's playing us.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
He's playing us. He's got too much skin in the
game and he's dumping his position.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
What if he's right?

Speaker 1 (05:39):
You want him to be right?

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yes? I do.

Speaker 5 (05:42):
The banks have given us twenty five percent interest rates
on credit cards, they have screwed us on student loans,
and we can never get out from under. Then this
guy walks into my office and says, those same banks
got greedy, they lost track of the market, and I
can profit off of their stupidity. Fuck yeah, I want
them to be right.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
How come you don't hate this guy? He's everything you
taught us not to trust. I can't hate him.

Speaker 5 (06:03):
He is so transparent and is self interest that I
kind of respect him. Would I buy a car from him?
Now see right about the mortgage market, Let's find out.
Let's find out. Look, it's two very simple questions. Is
their housing bubble? And if there is, how exposed are
the banks? Okay, let's get on this quickly too, because
if he's right, every loser with a couple million bucks

(06:26):
in a fund is going to be jumping on this.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Let's go and up.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
Until recently, I had not seen the movie Good Morning Vietnam.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Good morning me.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
Now, hey, this is not a test. This is rock
and roll. Time to rocket from the delta to the DMZ.
Is that me?

Speaker 6 (06:45):
Or does that sound like an Elvis Presley movie? Vivo
dy nying? Oh, vivo dyning? Donung me on, get a
robe and hang me. Hey, it's a little too early
for being that loud.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Hey too late? It's six hundred. What's the O stand for? Oh?

Speaker 6 (07:00):
Oh my god, it's early? Speaking of early, how about
that cruel? Magna modori dry? What's take you mody for?
Selky smooth?

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Start? Make me sound like Peggy Lee?

Speaker 4 (07:07):
Good morning Vietnam?

Speaker 3 (07:08):
But what the heck is that supposed to mean? I
don't know the channel.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
I guess it means good morning, have.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Vietnam nineteen eighty seven, and the Great Robin Williams is
about to catapult himself into superstardom starring as Adrian Cronow
in Barry Levinson's Good Morning Vietnam. The film itself set
in nineteen sixty five Saigon, Williams plays military DJ Adrian Cronow,
who arrives from his posts from the Greek island of Crete.

(07:34):
Adrian is laid back, cynical of military intelligence, and effortlessly funny.
He is quick to make enemies, though among the more
conservative hierarchy. Cronow is happy enough to deliver on air riffs,
spin some beach boys vinyl, drink with his coworkers, and
attempt to meet a local Vietnamese girl. But when the
sights and sounds of the Vietnam War get the better
of him, Adrian his force in the corners he has

(07:56):
never had to navigate before. From a script by Mitch
ma Arkowitz, with a stellar supporting cast involving the late
Great Bruno Kirby and JT. Walsh, the alive and brilliant
Forest Whitaker, plus local actors Tom T Tran, Jintara, Shaku
Patana and See Bart Yuan as the Unforgettable Jimmy War.
But this, of course is Robin Williams movie, nabbing him

(08:19):
his first Oscar nomination and releasing his superpowers on us hilarity,
playing alongside Pathos. It's what Robin Williams does best. Bennett Cooshen,
deep down in your heart, do you know your funny?

Speaker 2 (08:35):
I did relate a lot. I wrote that down. I
wrote down that line that.

Speaker 4 (08:42):
Yeah, after I bomb, I say it into the mirror
deep down, I know I'm funny.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
You could actually play a young Bruno Kirby. I think
you have a Bruno Kirby this about you.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Oh yeah, yeah, he was. He was quite funny.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
The other thing I liked that he said a lot
was and he said it a couple of times.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
He's like, I wish you guys would just showed me
a little bit of respect.

Speaker 4 (09:03):
Now I'm a lieutenant. Could you please just salute me
every now and then.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
I mean, I don't want to jump in straight into
favorite things and definitely chat about Bruno Kirby moo because
he's one of my favorite comedic actors. But when he
says funny is good, funny is good, but do it
using comedy and humor, not police action. And coffee remarks.
It's good.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
I want to say around the open mics, did kill
you to show me a bit of a respect.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
I've done the comedy store, I've done this.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Hey, thank you for doing the show. You're a busy
man gigging all around the joint. We had your lovely partner,
Can Chedder on the show last season. She did Sons
at Boulevard and we spoke about you, and she had
mentioned that you're not a lover of old movies. It'll
take a lot to get you to watch a black
and white film, for instance, that you are more comfortable

(09:54):
around a more recent fair.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yes, small color the better.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
Yes. My mind, I was like, you know, maybe let's
do duck soup, you know, with the Marx Brothers or something.
Let's let's go let's go really far back. But I
always want my guests to, you know, have agency in
what they've also put up. And you know, I wanted
to look forward and hopefully enjoy the film. I think
the oldest film we kind of we had a little list.

(10:19):
I gave you the list, you came back. I think
The Manchurian Candidate was on there. That was probably the
oldest film. I'm not sure if you were referring to
the remake.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
I probably was.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
I probably see that would have been funny if you
came up what you're doing, Is it Denzel in that remake?
I'm suah.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
I saw that and I was like, I love Denzel,
I'll watch it.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
See I was going back to the Frank SINATCA one
nineteen sixty eight or something. But but we arrived at
Good Morning Vietnam, which, funnily enough, I saw in cinemas.
I'm twelve years old and this comes out and I
see it in cinemas, and I you know, we'll get
too if you loved it or not. But I certainly
loved it and have seen it many times. But it
kind of occurred to me that when I was like, Okay,

(10:59):
we're not watching an old film, and then I'm watching it, going,
oh yeah, this is like an old film for you.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah yeah, this is old. This is already old what
I would call old.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
It is anything.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Before two thousand and five as well be black and white.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Yeah yeah, well I do love. By the way, I
do love your your three favorite films, and let's chat
about them before we get into it. They are three
excellent films. I've seen all three of them in one
of them is in my top three of all time. Yes,
the first one isn't in my top three, but I
really like it. We did it recently, we've got eggib
and Tripod Step Brothers, of course, which would be getting

(11:36):
dangerously close to your cutoff period for being an old film.
I think I'm guessing maybe two thousand and eight is
step Brothers.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
Yeah, probably, yeah, But there's still you know, there's a
range over in there. There's some cool stuff in there,
I mean new enough for me.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
John c Riley and Wilferrell together it's just happy times
the best.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
I was just like, yeah, when you think about You're like,
this is the funniest premise for a movie. I can't
believe no one's thought of this premise before, or maybe
they have. I don't know movies that well.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
But at the same time, you come up with the premise, Okay,
the two adults, you know, Manchild's had thrown together and
they you know, they have to navigate that. But then
you're going to go, what do you do now? Like, Yeah,
sometimes the premise is can be a bit thin, and
I feel like I'm not sure if it's really like

(12:27):
the premise is good, but you're gonna go. It's really
the chemistry between Will Ferrell and John c Riley. I'm
sure there are other people who could make this work,
but those two in particular are just so damn funny.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
And all the other actors in it are so good.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
Yeah, I don't know actors' names, or Mary Mary Steenbergen,
the wife of the Great Ted Dance And then who's
the dad's Richard Jenkins is the partner of Mary Steenbergen
in the movie, and he's so good. I'm sure you
want to ask her for obviously for a film Oscus,

(13:05):
for anything else. Oh, it's gotta be for a film
A Yeah, Shape of Water. He was. He's in like
a lot. He pops up and he was in some
of the Christopher guests. I think in Guffman Waiting for Gufman,
he's in there, or Best in Show, he pops up
around there. He's so enjoyable to watch on screen, which

(13:26):
is Yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
I think it's like he just shows you sometimes when
someone is just a great actor and they just play
comedic situations perfectly straight, that's as funny as it gets. Like,
didn't they say that's what Leslie Nielsen was like a
serious actor. Yeah, and then we didn't he did Naked
Go and they're like, play these situations as real as
you can and it's just the funniest thing ever.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah, and you can just you can just see a
flicker behind the eyes of the wheels turning. And I
suggest that Will Ferrell has that as well. Obviously, you know,
he goes more for the comedy than than Richard Jenkins does.
But you know, need to rub up against something, And yeah,
I love Richard Jenkins, said Buddy Adam Scott is so

(14:07):
and Catherine Hahn, Yes, the fact that he's so funny,
the sweet child of mine sing.

Speaker 4 (14:13):
Along in the car, oh yeah yeah, and that final scene,
I like, I find it quite emotional when they're like
singing together on stage and he's a drumming the drum solo.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
It's a really good kind of lesson of like how
a movie can make you feel like we always think
of like, of course we all feel something in you know,
Shindler's List or The English Patient. Yea sweeping epics, But
if you believe the characters enough, even as silly as
they are in Step Brothers, you can there's if there's

(14:44):
a human truth there somewhere that you can feel emotion, and.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
When he hits that high note, my god, my tears
well up.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Do you think Will Ferrell can sing? I've had this
conversation with a few different people. I was having a
conversation I think it was with Gatesy Scott or Gatesy
on the from Tiumpid, but anyway, Yeah, that was one
of them was saying that Will Ferrell can't really sing,
and I was like, well, I disagree. I think to
my years he sounds really good. Same, but I kind
of think I can. I also see that he's not

(15:13):
necessarily he's not barbar strays, and the fact that he's
going for it and he's investing himself and he's just
it's it's it's like almost a little bit of ray Gun,
you know, as we as we sit here today, the
Raygun they break Train, Breakdancer is hot than news, you know,
seeing somebody just go for it, maybe not being the
best at what they do, but just going for it.

(15:35):
I feel like Will Ferrell in that movie with his singing,
has a touch of Raygun about it.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
Yeah, And it does remind him just like the first
time he sings for John c Riley, and it's like
it just makes me think that every scene in that
movie is funny. When like he sings for the first
time and he's all nervous and then he stops singing
and he's like.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
I don't know, there's dust in the room and half
I don't know, you put pressure on me.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
John was like that was unbelievable. Like every scene is
just amazing. I watched it recently. I've seen it so
many times. I'm like, it's still good. I don't get
bored of any part of it. Every scene's amazing.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
I really enjoy watching it recent for this podcast because
it's been on since I watched it and when it
came out, and I'm a big real Fareoh fan, and
I love John c Riley as well. But for some reason,
I knew it was funny. I really enjoyed it. But
I've enjoyed it more and more. I think I've the
same I've watched it. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (16:25):
I remember like when I saw Anchorman the first time,
that hit me and I was like, oh my god,
this is the funniest movie ever. Yeah, and then now
slowly like and I didn't have the same feeling with
step Brothers. But now slowly I'm like, no stepbrothers. I'd
say is a fair bit better than Ankorman.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Now, yeah, that's interesting. Okay, let's go in my top
three of all time Sideways. I love this film so much.
I'm so excited when that word came out of your mouth.
I saw this in the cinema, Paul G. Marty, Thomas
Hayden Church. It is so good. Virginia Medicine. Everyone's so
good at Sandra So everyone's so good. Alexander Payne directed it.

(17:03):
I could talk about forever. We covered it in the
podcast with Nazi Hussein and Merrick Watt's Live at the
Grapes of Mirth. What do you love about Sideways?

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Well, I just also watched The Holdovers recently and that
was amazing.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Yeah, the union between Paul G. Marty and Alexander Payne,
that was so good.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
But yeah, I just love Sideways, and I think I
don't know, maybe it's how I see myself, but I
would just always relate to that slubby piece of crap
pull May character. He just like just those scenes where
he just has no idea how to speak to like
a woman, and he's nervous and he's weird. I'm like,
I was like, that's yeah, that's how I feel like

(17:39):
I feel like Bulga Marti in that movie.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
I think we needed this move movies aside to one
point and this is this talk about you Ben and
let's talk about how amazing you are.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Turned into a therapy.

Speaker 4 (17:50):
But it's but at least when I was young, you know,
like that's how I felt, and I was like I
just related to that character. And then it was just
also so funny and yeah, I just always loved it.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
And it's so good and so economical and gim Marty.
You know, he's character Miles. He's a liar. He lies
all the way, and he lies from the start, you know,
like he's running late and he still takes the time
to take a dump and did a new crossword on
the on the toll and he's going, yeah, nah, and
then he lies about the traffic being you know, crazy.

(18:22):
It's just so good, and he's lying about his status
of his book. But you've got to understand why he'll
be lying, because it's embarrassing to kind of say, you know,
no one's really taking an interest in my in my manuscripts.

Speaker 4 (18:34):
Yeah, and the contrast of him and Thomas Hayden Church
where the guys about to get married, but he's just
trying to sleep with as many women as he can
be probably gets married. And then Paul Jimarty's just in
the hotel room reading a golf magazine. He's doing nothing,
just going to the same place for dinner every night.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah, and I don't even think it's a golf I
think he's actually reading Barely Legal. Yeah, yeah, reading the articles,
falling asleep with a glass of wine on his bedside table,
and he kind of something wakes him up, and the
Barely Legal magazine the slides off his of his stomach
on the it's it's so good and the idea that

(19:14):
these two aren't necessarily they're not naturally best friends. They're
friends because they went to they shared a dorm, you know,
at the University of California or wherever it was years ago,
and that's the thing that has really bonded them. But
it's really that's almost the only thing. There's not much
in their lives that are compatible and any other level. Really. Yeah,

(19:34):
it's an extraordinary film if you haven't.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
There's so many great scenes. Just like I'm not drinking
any Merla as a classic. Ah and that whole him
yelling that is so funny.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
And literally affected the sales of Merlou Oh really yeah,
actually had an impact. He's the Kath and Kim of
America with Kathin Kim and Chardon had impacted sales of
Chardonay in Australia, Paul gim Marti affected the sales of
Merlow but just yeah, yeah, and the drunk dialing and

(20:05):
it's heartbreaking and it's but it's it's so, it's so funny,
it's it's a beautiful, beautiful film. As he's a lot
of Alexander Payne. If you haven't dived in Alexander Payne's
work about Schmid is another really good one with Jack Nicholson.
Citizen Ruth was one of his first ones with Laura
Dern so many the Sendence to George Clooney and The
Holdovers recently with the with Paul g. Marty as well.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
And there's a lot of sadness in all his films,
like The Holdovers, every character had like the sad story imaginable.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Yeah, and he really and he uses a lot of
you might use like a star but generally he's a
real active person and you'll go find local actors wherever
he films and use like theater actors from that area,
and like, really very natural. He's really only made that
one film with Matt Damon Downsizing.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Oh I tried to watch that.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yeah, I've actually set myself to watch it again because
such high hopes for his films that I wouldn't mind
going back and go, Okay, I didn't enjoy it, but
let's go back and see if I can spot things
I like about it.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
You know, I don't know his films that well, but
it seems like, you know, very different to any of
his other films, where everything's in the real world and
everything's real, and then he's got this sort of crazy
idea about people being shrunk down her bizarre.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
He really took a big swing because I think he
made you know, he had these hits Sideways and The Descendants,
and thought like, oh, this is my opportunity, because I
think you get these opportunities when you're hot, and it
doesn't always happen like poor Thomas Andersen makes Boogie Nights
and becomes hot, and Francis Vokopola says to him, make
the film you've always wanted to make. You know, if

(21:41):
you have an idea that's got like maybe a bigger budget,
make it now. And he makes Magnolia, which I love Magnolia,
And I think maybe Alexander Payne was maybe getting the
same advice. Okay, what's the film that they may not
let me make if I you know, if the next
film doesn't work out, you know, And that was probably downsizing.
Happy to talk about sideways all ways, and the big
short bit of a connection there with step Brothers with

(22:03):
Adam McKay taking helm there and of course Brad Pitt,
Ryan Gosling, Steve Carrell. Yeah, great, you know, a great
interesting film and how to tackle tricky subject matter in
an entertaining way.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
Yeah, and I think, I mean, I just picked that
one just because it's a movie I just watch all
the time. Like that's why I watch a lot of
new movies, because I just watch the same movies over
and over.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Like these three movies I've seen so many times.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
What it's a comfort level to that, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (22:29):
I mean, yeah, I don't know what it is about
this movie.

Speaker 4 (22:32):
It just like clicks along at such a fast pace,
or maybe not fast, but a nice pace for everything's
interesting and you know, they're always cutting away to people Margot,
Robbie and the Tub, and they've got these three separate storylines,
all these great actors that have just like I could
just watch this over and over, and the first like
I'm not a big finance guy, Like the first few
times I watched, I'm like, I don't even know what's happening,

(22:54):
but I love this movie. But I really get what's
going on. I know they're trying to playing it to me,
but I'm like, yeah, sort of get it.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
But I just like the movie.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
It's such a it's such a skill. Like I often
think about that sometimes when I'm watching murder mysteries. I'm like,
I'm not really understanding this. I don't know who I'm
supposed to be suspecting. I'm not really sure who all
the characters are. That they're naming people by their surnames,
and I'm not trying to catch up, but I'm somehow
still enjoying it. Yeah, and then after how it sticks

(23:26):
its landing is what you judge it by in the end.
And but the big show is a great one. Christian Bale,
of course, he's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
And Jeremy Strong before he was like famous for Succession.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Yeah, well Jeremy Strong when he popped up in Succession,
and I'm just like, who is that guy? Like that guy?
And there's a there's a few. I mean, you've watch
almost any movie with some you know, some years behind it,
you can generally find somebody who's then burst out. And
Good Morning Vietnam has it as well with I think
Forrest Whitaker. Yeah, it's it's it's a good one. Jeremy Strong, Yeah,

(23:59):
he's brilliant. All right, let's get into the movie. We
are here to talk about.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
How can you help you?

Speaker 1 (24:06):
What your name, Ma, name's Roosevelt?

Speaker 2 (24:07):
And Roosevelt Roosevelt. What town of station in?

Speaker 1 (24:09):
I'm stationar Poon Tang. Well, thank you, Roosevelt.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
What's the weather like out there? It's hot?

Speaker 1 (24:14):
Damn hot, real hot. Howda this is my shots? I
can cook things in it to the crash pot cooking? Well,
can you tell me where it feels that foot?

Speaker 2 (24:21):
I told you a game. Were you born on the sun?
It's damn hot. You can be a little thing.

Speaker 6 (24:25):
I saw it so damn hot I saw on the
little guys in the orange row burst in the flames?

Speaker 5 (24:29):
Is that hot?

Speaker 4 (24:30):
You know what?

Speaker 6 (24:30):
I'm talking about, what do you think it's gonna be
like tonight?

Speaker 1 (24:32):
It's gonna be hot and wet. That's nice if you're
with a lady, but it ain't no good if you're
in the jungle.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
Thank you, Roosevelt.

Speaker 6 (24:37):
Here's a song coming your way right now, nowhere to
run to by Motha and the Vandellas Yes.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
From nineteen eighty seven Daring of Course, the late great
Robin Williams, Forrest Whittaker, Bruno Kirby, a great cast from
the direction of Bruce Levinson and the script by Mitch
Michaelwitz Pincushion. Did you enjoy Good Morning Vietnam? I thought

(25:05):
it was. Okay, that's not emphatic. That's not emphatic. Okay, okay,
So did you watch it this morning? When did you
watch it?

Speaker 2 (25:15):
I watched yesterday.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Yesterday, okay, so it's fresh in your mind. Always remind people.
I'm talking to all guess who is just processing a film?
And I quite like, I don't mind coming to this
with somebody who's just watched something and going, yeah, it's
okay because and this happened, And hopefully by talking about it,

(25:38):
you'll either like I still think it's okay, but you
might give it another chance, or you might go Actually,
I wouldn't mind seeing it again. We'll see where it goes. Well,
let's start with Robin Williams.

Speaker 4 (25:48):
This.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
He's done a show called Morcan Mindy leading into this.
Then I'm not sure how where you have more Comindy.
It was a big, big sitcom. He played like an
alien that's really showcased his crazy elements Robin Williams has,
but he wasn't really able to find a film project
that could showcase his range. And I think that's what's
great about Robin Williams. I think he's good. We know

(26:10):
he's good at the crazy, but I think my Good
Morning Vietnam Unlocks is the pathos that we later see
in Dead Poets Society and we later seeing Goodwill Hunting
and this is that fire. This really does make him
a superstar. What did you make of Robin Williams performance?

Speaker 4 (26:27):
Well, firstly I thought I had not seen this movie,
and then I was telling my friend. He's like, what
do you got coming up? I'm like, oh, I'm doing
Pete Holly's podcast and he's like, what is it? Oh,
You're going to see a movie you've never seen. He's like,
what do you pick? I was like, good Morning Vietnam.
He's like, we've seen that. We watched that in Vietnam

(26:49):
when he returned, like when we finished school, we went
to Vietnam together. And you know, me and my friends
are so like lame. Most nights we just watched the
movie like we were going out drinking, which watched the
movie every night. And I do vaguely remember starting Good
Morning being um, I think I fell asleep though, so
I definitely didn't see the whole.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Right, this is like, this is I think this is
the first time this happened. But we had another episode,
Ben that make you feel better? That with Dan Connell,
and he was supposed to watch Lost in Translation. And
I've done all the prep work. I watched the film
and done all the deep diving, and I do the
you know, the the Criten review that I'm reading, you know,

(27:30):
my thoughts on Lost in Translation. And I could just
see Dan's face just you know this a little bit white,
and he said, I actually watched Fear and Loathing in
Las Vegas, not Lost in Translation. I think I've watched
the wrong movie.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
So that's so far off. I mean I see there's
maybe one word in there, but it's just like, yeah,
that's so funny.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
There's a slight little kink in today's episode, which is
absolutely fine because.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
I don't remember anything when I saw it the first time. Yeah, yeah,
bad food poisoning the night before, so I was very tired.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
That'll do. You probably ate in one of those markets
where Agan Crow now ate ye, okay, where do you
stand on Rob Williams? Even from a stepping out of
the movie, where do you stand on Robin Williams?

Speaker 2 (28:18):
I stand on his shoulders, as all comedians do.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
That's beautifully said.

Speaker 4 (28:23):
No, obviously I love him, absolutely love I haven't seen
everything he's done, but i'd say seen a fair bit
of what he's done. And then that's interesting, just you
giving the context of I didn't know this is like
the first movie where he could show all his comedic skills.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Like that, because he did Popeye, and then he did
a film called The World according to Garp, which is
a you know, which is a fine movie, but it's
a bit more serious, I think, and this just he's
off the leash, you know, in a really good way.
Obviously Popeye he was like, you know, he's Popeye's be crazy,
but the pathos wasn't kind of there, and this is

(29:01):
it's just there for any for everyone to see, I think.
And he's improvising a lot of these of these radio broadcasts,
which makes it only about forty minutes of the actual
movie in a two hour movie. But yeah, I kind
of think it's kind of extraordinary.

Speaker 4 (29:19):
So I think maybe the reason it didn't hit that
hard with me is because I've seen other Robin Williams
films where he has done this, where you know, Missus Doubtfire,
he's improvising a lot. Even Aladdin that's like a lot
of him going crazy doing his voice is improvising.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
And then I've seen Dead Poets.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
Society where he's very serious and the pathos, and I've
seen Good Bill Hunting that's the same thing.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
So maybe if I was coming into this and I'd
never seen that.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
From Robin Williams before, I'd be like, oh, cool, you know,
this is the first time I'm seeing this, But I'm like,
I've seen it, and I've seen him do it so well,
all this stuff the range that I'm like, but I'm
watching this, I'm like, yeah, he's funny, but I've seen
him be funny. And I've seen this as well, probably
maybe done even better in other films, so I think
maybe that's why I didn't hit that hard.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
I remember when I watched it for the first time,
because there's a lot of jokes. You know, I'm twelve
when I see this in the cinema. A lot of
these jokes are going over my head, obviously, And what's
really interesting about the performance is, so it's made in
nineteen eighty you know, I was released in nine and
eighty seven, so I'd say it's made in nine and
eighty six. It's nine and eighty six, and you're you're

(30:26):
making jokes. One of the hottest comedians in the world
is making jokes in a different time period. So he's
making jokes for nineteen sixty five. And how those two sensibilities,
you know, I don't think there are too many people
like Aging Cronow in ninety sixty five. Now he should
point out, of course, that there is a real Adrian Cronow.
This is based on a real person who was nothing

(30:49):
like Robin Williams. So he was much more serious and
we'll get to him perhaps soon. But this style I
do like the clash of styles of something more modern.
And when I say modern modern for nineteen eighty six,
the delivering material that is, you know, of its time
for nineteen sixty five, you know, jokes about Hanoi Hannah,

(31:10):
who was you know, a Vietnamese broadcaster who would basically,
you know, through English broadcasts taunt and spread propaganda for
the American you know, against the American troops. So there's
references to the time periods and the you know, and
pop culture of the day. I think is kind of

(31:33):
incredible to be improvising that now. I'm not sure what
his style was being we're both comedians. You know, the
word improvisation gets straight ound light like how many how
many times people will say the improvising, but they're based
on that, you know, they've written notes, they've basically written
their own script in their dressing room before they go
out of the green room and they go out to improvise.
I'm not sure how much was always genuinely in the
moment for Robin Williams or how much yeah, he had

(31:54):
loaded in his head beforehand, and it doesn't really matter
at all, But I do think it's that it's that's
a fascinating element to it.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
And I think another thing that maybe lost me is,
you know, I'm not very smart.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
I just I don't.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
I don't know much about history at all. I don't
know about the wars. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (32:16):
I've just never gotten into that. So I'm watching it
and I'm like, you know, I don't know about the
Vietnam War. I'm like, is this at the start of
the wars?

Speaker 1 (32:24):
This in the middle? Is this at the end? You know?

Speaker 2 (32:26):
I just like, I'm not a big war guy or
history guy, so that a lot of that was lost
on me.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Yeah, so this has kind of been smack bang in
the middle. I think set in sixty five. The Vietnam
War goes from fifty four to seventy five a long time.
It's long. It's a long time, and it was you know,
like the biggest issue happening in the world, and you know,
particularly obviously Vietnam, and you know, even in America and
certainly here in Australia, it was divisive considering this. And

(32:55):
this only comes out twelve years after that war. You know,
troops are taken out out of Vietnam, and there was
concern about are we ready to have a comedy or
a movie about Vietnam. This is just before Platoon and
Full Metal Jacket hadn't been released, so they knew those

(33:16):
films were coming. But the nervousness was, like, really, we've
made a comedy, even though Mash kind of existed a
Mitch Mark, which he wrote the script he wrote on Mash.
Mash is Robert Otman's movie that then he made into
the longest running sitcom of all time. So that was nervousness.
Robin Williams movies hadn't hit big yet, so there was

(33:38):
a real and this becomes the fourth highest grossing movie
of nineteen eighty seven. Yeah, it was, It was big,
and that there were also other films leading into this,
because what I find interesting about Adrian Cronou, the Rob
Williams version, is we know very little about him. Like
he arrives, we know he's arrived from that he's been

(34:00):
stationed in Greece on the island of Crete, and that's
about it. Like there's so little we know. And I
did the film The Graduate, which isn't even older film
than this ben believe it or not, from nineteen sixty seven.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Yeah, I can't even listen to you.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Yeah, Dustin Hoffman, which again I mean, you know, I'm
passing you off as a Bruno Kirby. You could be
also young Dustin Hoffman as well.

Speaker 4 (34:24):
I only know Dustin Hoffman from mister Mcgwurham's Wondering for It.
That's his best film.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
I love I Love Your cut Off period. It's like
that was that was his first film and it's his best.
But what was fascinating about the Graduate, which is, you know,
an all timer. We don't know much about Dustin Hoffman's character,
and it works. And I think when you kind of try,
if you try to write a screenplay, you know, a

(34:55):
lot of it effort goes into understanding your character and
the backstory. A lot of actors will be doing though
as well, Okay, what's my his backstory? And it just
it just proves I think these two movies that you
don't always need to know it will see it at
least now. I'm not how important it was for Robin
Williams to have that his backstory in his head. And
you hear of actors doing that just for their own
performance so they can add depth to it. What has

(35:17):
Adrian Croana have been doing up until this point? I
just find it fascinating that there was so little, but
the fact that there was movies like Stripes with Bill
Murray and John Candy, Animal House, National Lampin's Animal House,
Private Benjamin with Goldie Horn. I think that predated Good
Morning Vietnam. There were movies that showed characters having this,

(35:38):
you know, in the military, having this anti authoritarian streak.
So when when Cronau rocks up and you know, is
a bit of a smart ass to his authorities, it's
not necessarily based on who we know, Agrian Cronaer is.
I think in the zeitgeist at the time was this
we almost expect in a comedy that there's going to

(35:58):
be a bit of a smart ass attitude towards authority,
which other as well. But what did you did you
like the character like at throughout the whole film or
did you take a disliking to him or what are
your thoughts towards him?

Speaker 2 (36:13):
I like the character.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
For me, it took me a long time to sort
of get into the film. I thought it was quite
slow up until the Jimmy.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Ware's place explodes.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
Yeah, and then it feels like, you know, more stuff's happening,
But up until then, it's like, yeah, we see he's
really funny, and then he's in love with this Vietnamese
woman and he's trying to chase this woman. But to me,
it just felt quite slow up until then.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Let's talk about the local actors they use. And so
this is shot in Bangkok and in Thailand playing as Vietnam,
and because Jimmy Wai is I think such a standout character,
and there are a couple of standard characters and we'll
get to them, but in other people's hands, I'm so

(37:00):
glad they use genuine, you know, local actors. You know,
I'm glad it wasn't even know an American Vietnamese actor
who like it seemed like very genuine to the point
where you had to kind of listen carefully to understand everywhere,
but you always understood where they were coming from. And

(37:22):
there are obviously terms when you know, Adrian says, I
think Jimmy's a bit light in the loafers, and there's
a few like I was going to say, there's a
few data terms. But again depends on your viewpoint of
what you know, film and art should be. That probably
rings really true to you know, it's probably a lighter
version of what may have been said in nineteen sixty five,

(37:46):
but like he's not looked down upon Jimmy War Like
he's actually kind of a bit of a beacon in
this movie him. Yeah, I think Jimmy Way is so
so funny, and it genuinely goes beyond the fact that
that he's you know, speaking in this I guess broke
you know his second language, I certain broken English. He's

(38:08):
just he's after these naked pictures of this actor, you know,
and he keeps on asking about him, and you know,
the fight breaks up and he's just really keen to
get him out of the back like everything. Yeah, I
don't know. I just think it's really I think, really funny.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Yeah, there is a lot of that stuff.

Speaker 4 (38:25):
Watching it again, obviously watching it from twenty twenty four perspective,
not having a go at the film, But there is
a lot of stuff where's like, it's funny that they're gay,
you know. That's like Robin Williams does a lot of
the gay voice, and it's funny to be gay.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
A lot of the things, a lot of the gay voice.
This is at one point he says, you can't say
you can't say dik anymore. You can't even say lesbian,
it's women in comfortable shoes.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
That was a funny line. Yeah, that was a very
funny line.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
So it is kind of aware of, like, you know,
almost political correctness at a stage when I wouldn't have
been able to identify what poliitic cretnics was at that stage. Yeah,
that's good p So it's funny that there is an awareness,
but there, you know. But I think, like I said,
there's still a story to be told, that you need
to represent a certain attitudes of the day. And I

(39:14):
think they are as much as they do kind of
creep over those areas a bit, you know, and I
can imagine being jarring to some people in twenty twenty four,
but I think it's probably on the lighter side. They
probably thought they were being quite generous, you know. And
then you had the brother and sister playing and again
at local actors, who I think did a really good job.

(39:35):
You know, they had some scenes where they had to,
you know, show emotion, and I'm just glad they didn't.
I mean, those classroom scenes I think are really fun.
They were fun. Yeah, and they just basically let the
cameras roll. They didn't even call a slate. They just
let them roll and let rob and ad lib and
basically do stand up routines and get the reactions from

(39:56):
these the students.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Yeah, I didn't get much from the love story.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
I got to say, well, it's funny because the love
story kind of like what I like about the love
story is that it's not a love story in the end,
Like it's just you think it's going to become a
love story, and the studio they wanted a love story,
but what I like is they didn't give them one.
Like it's it's a it's a furfy, it's like a
red herring. It's it doesn't become that at all. And

(40:21):
I think it's actually, to be honest, I think it's
quite sensitively handled because he does rocking the town and
see you know, and it's played as a joke. But
this woman who were walking in the white dress with
that kind of conical hat, and he immediately wants to
talk to her based on her physical body. And then
it's he sees another person dressed the same way, you know,

(40:44):
fifty meters down the road. Oh she's fast. It could
have from my mind, it was heading into kind of
ikey kind of territory.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Yeah, And I think, I guess I just didn't buy that.

Speaker 4 (40:53):
Is like, yes, he's seen this beautiful woman that he
clearly wants to have sex with, and then all of
a suddenly he doesn't want to have sex with anymore.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
He just wants to be friends and he's absolutely in
love with her.

Speaker 4 (41:04):
But I'm like, based on what you went on one
date and saw a movie and I don't see where
that connection came from that they're like, oh my god,
he's madly in love with this woman who I don't
really speak English.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
Well, I think it is lust to begin with lust
and desire. And then I think as he gets to
know brother and they seem to, you know, form a connection,
you know. I think that's what the movie is trying
to suggest, a friendship, Like that connection. Yeah. And then
so when that happens and he's saying, you can't date

(41:36):
my sister, you know, it humanized It probably humanizes her
more to him, so he's like, Okay, I don't need to.
And then all of a sudden, he's got other stuff
that he needs to worry about, like he's the reality
of being in a war zone kind of hits his
come from this cushy job on a beach basically, and
now he's in the thick of a war that that

(41:59):
becomes less important now and it's about actually serving. Maybe
for the first time he's actually serving. He's having an
impact with the troops. And that's why I love I
love that scene where he's starting to lose his mojo
after the bombing and he's there with some soldiers and
there's a traffic jam and he's there and and Simon

(42:22):
Simon Garlic, Lieutenant Garlic, Simon Garlic and next footballer play
by Forrest Whitaker introduces him and let's have a listen
to Robin Williams doing a lot of improv work with
the soldiers. But the crowd work, then, we know, very
very popular. I mean, if he puts this.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
I was going to clip this up, put it on
ticktok the captions and this is a great crowd work clip.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Let's ever listen. Tell me what are you doing here? Hey, guys,
guess what the hell I got here?

Speaker 3 (42:59):
Don't shot.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Come up? Guess again.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
I'll bag it, bag it, Carlic, the fellow I got
in here.

Speaker 6 (43:09):
It's the gentleman one and the only King of the Airways,
Adrian Brow.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Now, hey, Peece you get out here. Mat think we've
got cron out here.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
Hey Croner, say, good morning Vietnam.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
Give me a break man, it's too hot for radio shit.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
Okay, come on, come on, How do we know it's
Adrian Croner.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Okay, I'll give you the best shot.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Good morning.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
And he goes. He goes and do a lot of
crowd work. It's obviously you must to play. But what
I love about it is when he gets the applause,
you can see the showman in him. Just rise and
he goes. All these problems are just vanished and he's
on stunt age all of a sudden, and he loves it.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
That was a good scene. Yeah, and any clip clipper,
clipper clipper.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Let's let's talk about Bruno Kirby. We mentioned him at
the start, but I want to go back to him
because he he said that a lot of people will
say to him asking what his favorite movie experience was been,
if you're not aware it was in the greatest film
of all time. He might opinion the Godfather Part two,
and for people will expect him to say Godfather Part two,
but he always is my favorite movie making experience was
this movie? Good one in Vietnam. It was so much

(44:28):
fun working on this set with Robin Williams, and I
can imagine, like, you know, his role in Godfather Part
two is not one of the bigger roles. Here gets
a show off all his comedy chomps. You've also recognized
him from City Slickers around this time when Harry met Sally.
He's really, I think, a really brilliant comedic actor. He

(44:49):
had so much to this film, I think.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (44:53):
The best scene is when he finally gets to take
over for Cronau and do his own version of what
a Raid show would be. And I was just so
interested to see, like, obviously he's going to be bad,
but how are they going to make him bad?

Speaker 1 (45:06):
It's kind of hard to write bad comedy in a way.
It's not easy.

Speaker 4 (45:09):
Yeah, you can't go too far one way or too yeah,
too crazy, so it's like and yeah, and then he
does this crazy impression of a Frenchman, and then the
best bit is him just being like, I think you.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Guys are all owed me an apology. He thinks he's
just absolutely nailed.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
He's got no self awareness at all. Apparently he was told,
when you know, developing the character that he's the kind
of guy who writes letters into Rider's Digest and he
Bruno Kirby said, I know this character Australia. I know
everything about him. It's all I need to know. And
let's have a listen to Stephen hawk Lieutenant Stephen hawk
On are taking over from Adrian Crownow.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Please welcome to the microphone, the Lieutenant of Lamps, the
Officer of Oral, the west Moreland of wit swing it stupid, how.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Hell and greetings?

Speaker 3 (46:02):
Soon the news then, Lieutenant Steve. Lieutenant Steve, it's me.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Listen, Frenchie. Let me ask you something.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
Do you like good food? But of course the French
love good food. Well, then I guess that would make
you and Edie Gore may Lieutenant Steve Frenchie All, Lieutenant Steve, Frenchie.
You know I really shouldn't kid Frenchie because sometimes he

(46:36):
stand and gets mad at me and.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
He could out hurt.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
Lieutenant Steve. Let's bless some music, okay, Frenchie, what would
you like to hear? Well, I love a good poka
as much as the next mine. Well, a good poker
it is for my good friend, Frenchie. I think some apologies.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
It's so good. So this was a videotape that you know,
you know, which I'm sure you've heard about in your
history classes. But we used to have this, you know,
just with the whole big sticker on it do not
record over. So I would have seen this a lot.
And that I quoted Bruno Kirby as much as I
quoted Robin Williams, because Robin Williams had a certain pace.

(47:30):
It's just too hard to kind of quote. But all
the you know, and if you do and if you do,
all that stuff I found as funny. And Lieutenant Steve,
Lieutenant Steve, I mean he's even getting the honking.

Speaker 4 (47:46):
Yeah, I forgot about the honking even though I saw
it yesterday. I'm like, that's so funny. It's like so
loud and jarring.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
It's like such a great choice.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
It's kind of it's like over the punchlines as well,
if there are, if you want to call them punchlines.
But I yeah, I just think he was so good
in this. Forest Whittaker, I'm not sure how where you are.
Forest Whittaker's work movie TV fans would know him more
recently for Black Panther, Godfather of Harlem's a really good series.
He's leading and or for Star Wars fans, but he

(48:16):
won in the Oscar for Lasking of Scotland playing idiom
In and he's in Platoon as well. He's a brilliant
actor and he's again I think he gives his film
a lot of harky, a lot of hard. He plays Garlic,
who picks up Adrian from the airport, and this is
something really homely and wholesome. Yeah about about Garlic.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
I think, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (48:39):
I thought it was cool because I've seen a few
Forest Wittaker films, but I've never seen him like well,
firstly so young and also just play a character that's
so smiley and just got a goofy yeah and goofy.
I'm like, I've never said, Wow, that's pretty good range.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
I didn't know he could do something like that. That
was pretty cool to see him like that.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
No, I thought he was so I think, really important,
and I like that he was able to get his
own jokes in there as well. Where they're talking about
if we might play this scene. I'm not sure if
it's actually in the scene in the we're about to hear,
but it's it's it's in this scene. We'll have a chat.
This is a This is after Adrian Krona's first broadcast,

(49:19):
and Lieutenant Stephen Hawk has some feedback.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
Former VP Richard Nixon will arrive here this week drywards.
I'll decide you to cover the.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
PC he likes to say.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
And if you do, and if you do, and if
you do happen to speak with him, please be polite
and to the point at all times. Affirmative, sir, affirmative sir. Good, Okay,
The former VP will be here on Friday. I expect

(49:52):
every minute of the VP's PC to be taped and
broadcast within twelve hours of his arrival. Something funny garlic
but perhaps you'd like to share under the rest of us.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
If we were Vice president is delayed, sir?

Speaker 6 (50:05):
Excuse me, sir, Seeing is how the VP is such
a VIP. Shouldn't we keep DPC on the QT because
it leaks to the VC you can end up in min.

Speaker 5 (50:12):
And we know people don't kep.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
It's I mean, that's really I guess it's even funny
back in nine and eighty seven because I think, you know,
acronyms were kind of less of a thing than they
are now, Like.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
Well, yeah, it surprised me there's one scene where Lieutenant
Hawk goes, we want this a SAP, and I'm like,
what's a SAP?

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Like as soon as possible, I'm like, really, they didn't
know a SAP like that was a new thing in
nineteen eighty seven, that acronym.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean if you had have
asked me, I would have thought they would have would
have known what that one was. I must say, what's KP.
There's anyone at the end that I didn't quite I
didn't quite get.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
I don't think I think I didn't get most of those.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Well, it was the VP, the Vice president of the
Press Conference of PC, the QC's on the QTS, on
the quiet miss missing in action. Yeah, I think I
picked that motion. But the KP was one that I
may have lost. I think the team they put around
Agent Kronach in the the Mardy who broadcasts before him,

(51:17):
there's a good there's a good rapport with everyone. They
seem to be having a good.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Time, and yeah, it's kind of cool to see that.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
Like the second he comes in, they're like, this guy's
unbelievable cool, Like there's no like slow burn, like.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Anyone's so funny because they all just love him.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Because initially it was all he had the radio so
they could measure the radius of the radio waves in
the area. So it was just really about information. So
when Agian Croner came in and was entertaining, it was
kind of a bit of a shock, you know, it's
this is what we're supposed to do. The real agent
Kranile was was reasonably I won't say dull, but he

(51:55):
was much more straight, straight laced, and there's only about
I think he is. There's about maybe forty six percent
truth what has gone on. It's an interesting like it's
interesting that they don't say based on a true story
or inspired by that. There's none of that in this.
So he tried to develop this as a sitcom, I
think out of the success of mash and it didn't
get much traction. Then he tried to do it as

(52:16):
a TV movie and that got a little bit more interest.
And then somebody brought the story as an option, and
that was I think Robin Williams's manager, and he got
Rob Williams and they basically just completely re rode it.
So the real elements are that he did. The real
agent Cronow did was stationed in crete and he would
apparently broadcast from six to ten, go have a massage,

(52:37):
go down to the you know, grab a few beers,
go have a few beers. You know that that was
his life pretty good. Yeah, so you kind of go, well,
I'm not sure what the movie is going to be
based on. Then what that movie he did. He did
teach him English class, but wasn't he wasn't to try
to woo a woman. And he did kind of understand

(52:58):
the nature of censorship. So he was didn't rebel like
Agent Cronow does after the bomb, and he wasn't as
popular as Agent crow Now. And he used to do this.
His Good Morning Vietnam was quite different than Robin Williams was.
It was designed to buy him time because he said,
when you're taking the breakfast shift on radio, inevitably you

(53:20):
will sleep in. So he would come in and do
this really long good and it would literally go for
like thirty seconds and as he as he's saying that
he's getting the records already and he's putting his contact
lenses in. So it's just he was a stalling. He
was just buying time. It had nothing really to do
with entertainment, but he said some of the gis would

(53:42):
strike drive mad. He said there was one instance where
g I got their machine gun and actually shut down
to radio while it was on. So he didn't have
the celebrity status that Robin Williams character does.

Speaker 4 (53:56):
I also read that he said that the character is
ninety five percent Rowin Williams and like five percent.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Yeah. Well, and you hear him speak, and I think
he's really gracious about the whole thing because he gets
asked about a lot. He's unrecognizable to the eye as
far as being there's no real likeness at all to
Robin Williams, but he's quite gracious. Barry Levinson would not
let them meet. Agent Cronou and him meet during the

(54:23):
film because he didn't want to Robin Williams to be
impacted by who he was because he wasn't really playing
him at all, And they met for the first time
at the premiere. But yeah, yeah, but he has been
quite gracious about the whole thing because it would be
a bit of a shock to the system, Ben to
to have a film based on based on your story

(54:46):
that then becomes something completely different and about something, but
they still retain your name, Like, yeah, you know, I wonder,
I wonder if he ever wished that they just maybe
changed his name. But I think he did well enough
out of it in the en and that he was happy. Now.

Speaker 4 (55:02):
Yeah, I guess it's a right. It was like someone extra,
the most charismatic man in the world. Yeah, that's people
think that's what you were like now and then I
guess they meet him and they're like, oh, you're nothing like.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Me, you know, like Robin Williams at all.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
You're not funny at all. It's funny. I watched a
few interviews with him, and he basically tells whether he's
at a lectern, at a conference, whether he is, you know,
out standing on a street, he basically gives the same
performance for each anecdote that he has. Yeah, so he's
got his his speech. Yeah, he's bit. He's got his

(55:36):
five minutes and he delivers it. No need to change it,
no need to change it at all. I did think,
like the sites, it felt like I was in Vietnam.
This is for a studio comedy in the mid eighties.
This is like it's shot really differently. Like if you
think of Missus Doubtfire, and you can think of the
three amigos, and the thing about when he Vietnam is
shot kind of guerrilla style, so it's almost a lot
of handheld camera. They would just shoot grabbing shots whenever

(55:58):
they could. And that the bit where they play what
a Wonderful World by Louis Armstrong, which this film made
that song a bigger hit than it ever was.

Speaker 4 (56:08):
Really.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
Yeah, so this is it was it was I think
it was a big song when it was released, but
it became a much big hit, and this soundtrack was huge.
This is The eighties were very big on soundtracks, where
before Yeah, I think Simon and Garfuncle were the first
in the graduate to you know, Mike Nichols was the
first to use popular music in movies. Before that was

(56:30):
usually always score. Yeah, and and then the eighties has
kind of took that and just went for it.

Speaker 4 (56:36):
It's crazy that only in the eighties someone was like,
maybe we should get some of these famous.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
The people really like and put them over, you know,
our pictures, and that will manipulate their emotions even more.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
Genius thought of that.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Yeah, But and it was so hot over there that
you actually see the which is really like a really
cool touch.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
I wondered if that was like authentic. They were constantly sweating.

Speaker 4 (57:05):
If someone's getting the little sprits bottle and just spraying
him down every scene.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
I believe they're really they're really sweating.

Speaker 4 (57:11):
I mean Robin Williams seems like a sweater. Whenever I've
seen him do like a stand up show, He's got
like a.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
Towel on stage.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
Yes, yes, so he was always gonna sweat. Yeah, but yeah,
I think they always were. And I think probably one
of the easier makeup jobs I think you can probably
get because everyone looked really natural and like I said,
they was just grabbing shots and go back to what
a wonderful world? And that montage I think is stunning
because it starts off seeing you know, everyone in their

(57:41):
downtime in a way like you've ever got Lieutenant Stephenholk
kind of looking out the window and you almost empathize
with him in that moment. I certainly did, like just
just him in his quiet moment. What's that guy? What's
going through that guy's head? And then you see the
gis just having some downtime. A lot of the American
ex servicemen kind of love this film because it showed
a sight of their experience, which wasn't about necessarily the

(58:04):
fight and all the witch that went on over there.
This was usually when you see the guys, it's mostly
in their downtime, but when they play it to a
Wonderful World, it starts like that, and then it kind
of goes kind of darker and darker and you start
having you know, people taking off the street and assassinated
and explosions. But it is that that flavor that I
think gives it. I think it makes it a great

(58:26):
film for me, And that turning point of the bomb
that you mentioned at Jimmy WA's and the Sea and
Robin Williams and Agent or Agent Croana go on air
and defy that, and it's just such a great performance
in before he gets to it because he's kind of
you can see he's trying to perform. He knows as
you know, he's a showman.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
That was very good.

Speaker 4 (58:45):
Yeah, Yeah, he's trying to still be funny, but it's
like pained expression behind it.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Yeah, that's how I feel in a lot of my gigs.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
Well you are for those who haven't seen your act,
you are very you are You're a joke man like
you love you love jokes. And people won't be listening
to going old comedians joking that. Yes, we all have
jokes in our shows, but a lot of us we'll
try to disguise. I mean, you know roudines where you
are unabashed about your love of a beautifully written joke.

Speaker 4 (59:17):
Yeah, I like a joke, and usually I lean in
as well, so they know that that's the punchline.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
So it's clear. I let them know, You let them know,
and this is the part you're supposed to be laughing at.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
And also I feel like it's become a bit of
a trend in more recent years, but I think you
the first that I saw, maybe doing it in the
last decade or so. But the shorts on stage, Yeah,
I love the shorts. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (59:46):
Yeah, it's hard in winter, but the second it gets
over twenty degrees outside, my pins are out.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
So you're not always in shorts.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
No, Usually in winter I'll have like a track suit
tracksuit pants and just whatever shirt. Though recently I was like,
maybe I should wear a suit on stage, like not
like a good suit, you know that looks nice, but
like a you know, like a shitty suit. Yeah that
doesn't fit very well, And I was trying it for
a bit and it was kind of fun and and

(01:00:14):
now I'm just.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Like, I don't know if I can be bothered wearing
a suit on stage.

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
It was like both extremes, like either I'm wearing shorts
and like a horrible polo shirt, or I'm in a suit.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
But I always had that thing, which is I don't know.
It's like, but what if I want to go out afterwards?
I got a fucking suit?

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Yeah, I know, which I felt that so many times.

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
I'm walking around the street in this horrible suit, Like
it doesn't look like I work in like a law
firm or anything.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
It looks like I'm just like, I don't know that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Ray A Leary is committed to it. And yeah, I
did a gig with him. We shared the same room
in Brisbane. So we watch each other show and then
how to be her afterwards. And he really is a
commitment that he has to wear that suit. You know,
he doesn't have it, it doesn't change, he doesn't have
a change of clothes we've been to. It's like if

(01:01:01):
I have a prop, if I have a single prop
that I you know, I've decided to use, it's like,
oh I got this, you know, fidget spinner I need
to carry around for the rest of the night. Then
I need to put in my pocket.

Speaker 4 (01:01:10):
Yeah, props, so I have whenever I do a show,
I have a lot of props, and they are a
real pain. There was one where I was like, I
had seven props and some of them I had to
put in specific areas and I had to put a
cricket cup down my pants, and I was just like
I had to remember so many things, and I was like,
this is a real pain.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
I remember early on in my career, I came out
on stage and I was wearing like at a big
like sunflower in my pocket and a bandana around my
head and different kinds of things hanging the badges and
ribbons and stuff, and I just kind of for a while,
and people kind of took it in, and I said,
there are far too many charity days these days because

(01:01:52):
everything was based on Daffitel Day, Andy and and all
of that. That's great, and it got a big laugh
and I thought, kind that works. But then I was like,
I can't fucked getting a sunflower for every gig and
having to having to take a bag with all this shit.

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
And it, Yeah, it's like if you come up with
a joke that's like for a specific shirt you wear. Yeah,
I had a joke grisly where I was like, I
wear this just crappy polo, and like some of you
don't trust me because I look like I've got karaoke
set up in my eber.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
Now I'm like, well, now I got to wear this
shirt every time. I don't know if it works with
other shirts.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
I love it is. That is great. Well, there's not
that much more to really to get through with a
good Morning Vietnam. I like said, there's one I mentioned
the local actors, And there's one point that I really
loved that that's wanted to point out when they play
softball at the end and the whole ending of the film.
I kind of like we mentioned it earlier, like it
doesn't be calm about does he get the girl or that,
and and he gets dishonorably discharged. And I really love

(01:02:55):
that they had that. Major not Major Dickinson, who hated him,
played by J. T. Wollsho. Often he is seen in
military films A few good men. Tragically died to his
own life about ten years ago. Great actor, and I
think he's really good in this, But I really like
that his boss loves Agent Cronow and sticks up. I
think they get the balance right. I'm glad that not

(01:03:17):
everyone's out to get Agent Cronow. It's really just the
two of them. The real Agent Cronow got honorably discharged.
But then this becomes about like seeing a man who
has arrived pretty laid back, and I think there you
can see, and it's done really subtly. I think, in
really subtle ways that there's now meaning in Aging Cronow's life,

(01:03:38):
you know, and that's I think that's the journey when
that's why I think he does have to be a
bit of a ladies man, if you like, or that's
that's his goal while he's here. He wants to get
laid and that's it. Kind Of it feels a little
bit dicky, but I think there's a reason for it
being there, and I think we need to see him
go on this journey. Life means something a bit different now,

(01:04:02):
and it kind of culminates really just in a in
a little softball game that they play that he'd promised
his class, and they shot this over four or five days.
They just whenever they had the time, they would go
out and set the game up and really briefly explain
the rules to the you know, the class. So all
the things you see of them, like going, now you
need to run that way and the woman running off

(01:04:23):
in the wrong direction was all kind of real. There
was no there's no script. And the actor who I
think they call him Wilt or Wilk, he goes up,
he went up to Barry Levinson and said, hey, this
this is not a baseball We need to play baseball,
you know. And Barry Levinson had the idea he said, well,
Robin Williams is in charge of all the equipment, so

(01:04:44):
if you if you need to go and talk to
him about it. So you just kind of he went
out of the Robin and said, listen, he's gonna come
over and talk about the equipment. Just go with it.
And so that scene and I think I love that
guy by the way, he's he's got the best face
in the class. When he's talking of out you know,
you've been stabbed, and you know, like he's that and
he goes I'm waiting to die and he's.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Yeah, that was good. He's just I say nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
And you can see if you watch it again, you
can see him have the thought and I'm sure it's
not written. I reckon it's absolutely improv that he's had
the thought and he's kind of waiting for Rober Williams
just to give him that space to get that line in,
and he's happy with himself and he delivers it and
it gets the big laugh from the whole class and
Robin Williams is cracking up. It's a beautiful moment. So

(01:05:32):
he goes up and says, we can't like this is
we can't play with this, and Rob Williams is actually
kind of saying, no, this is all we have. This
is all we have. But it's actually like there's a
really beautiful little touch in it, which I think is
what Roby is really good at. Were he says, oh,
well just please, we haven't got time. We haven't got time,
and he's playings about to leave and it's like he
just he's trying to give as much joy as he

(01:05:52):
can in the short amount of time that he has left.

Speaker 4 (01:05:55):
Yeah, it almost seems like at that point he was
just Fromward Williams. Yeah, almost wasn't even in characters, just
like talking to this guy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
Yeah, and then he's like, is there a psychiatrist here,
does anyone. It just keeps explaining the same thing over
and over.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
And as much, Yeah, as much as you say that
we've seen Robin Williams ad lib from Adladden to miss
that Fire and all that, this feels like, yeah, the most,
the closest maybe a performance that Robin Williams gave to himself,
I think. And it works because we hadn't seen it
before when it came out. Obviously now you're you're, as
you pointed out, you're seeing it with a whole bunch

(01:06:31):
of other context and films that you've already seen. But
I think it's I think it's it's such a I
think it's a beautiful performance because I think it he
doesn't have to do much to elicit that kind of empathy,
I think. And like I said, when when he has
to read out that the bomb news and he knows
he's you know, it's a big thing, or when he's
wrestling with that, he can really you can really see it. Yeah,

(01:06:53):
So Robin Williams is you know, this is the film
that kind of launches him. So it makes it that
in eighty seven he does the Adventures of Baron match
Hudson with Terry Gilliam in eighty eight, but then he
does Dead Poets in eighty nine, Awakenings with Roberts in
her Own ninety The Fisher King in ninety one, and
Hook Miss Doubt Fire in ninety three, Jumanji ninety five,
The Bird Cage in ninety six, Good Hunting ninety seven,

(01:07:16):
Patch Adam's ninety eight, and then in two thousand and
two that's when it begins the we're going for darker roles.
He does one hour Photo Insomnia with Christopher Nolan in
two thousand and two, and yeah, V, what's that? It
doesn't maybe RV at some point, Harvey Harvey, it's a remate,

(01:07:38):
But yeah, I think he's extraordin. I think I think
it's a great film because one I loved, Like I said,
the Gorilla Star that was shot in it didn't look
like all the other comedies, and I'm as glad that
movie was made. I missed movies like this. As much
as I love comedies being silly, your Bride's made, your
step brothers, you know, I still love a comedy that

(01:07:59):
can still punch you in the gut a little bit
like this one, does, you know? And it's about you know,
there's some life lessons in this that not everyone is
always going to like you. You know, sometimes you're gonna
be outside your comfort zone. What do you do when
you need to make a stand? I think there are
things that this movie stands for. Just quickly, they almost
made a sequel to this bend.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
I saw that. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
Yeah, I always wondered, even as when I was younger,
like this feels like I would like to see what
happened to Adrian Crown now next. Often with movies you're
okay with, you know, not knowing what happened next. But
I felt like, you know, he was heading home, why
not pick him up? And my idea when I was
like thirteen fourteen was that he joined like a rundown

(01:08:41):
radio station, you know, in this desthlate kind of neighborhood,
and the end he brought the community kind of up
with him. But yeah, it was called good Morning Chicago,
and it was going to be set in the nineteen
sixty eight Democratic Convention. Was that big Well I wasn't
really that aware of, but apparently there were clashes between them,
maybe I think the military and protesters. So funnily enough,

(01:09:02):
Adrian Cronaw becomes like a pretty staunch Republican and I
advocates really heavily for George W. Bush back in the
days when Republicans weren't quite as weird as they are now,
not quite as weird. And I said the soundtrack was
one of the biggest sundwichs of all time. Robin Williams,
nominated for the Oscar, loses it to Michael Douglas, who
wanted for Wall Street that year, alongside other nominees pretty
good bunch, Jack Nicholson for Ironweed and William Hurt for

(01:09:24):
Broadcast News. Then mate, this this podcast comes with her homework,
and you've done that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
I've done it. Yeah, I had to do more. You
now have to watch every black and white movie ever made.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
Well, I wish you know, if you ever decide to
watch something in black and white, let me know, and
and not shindless list or the artists or anything that's
you know, Nebraska that's been made in black and white
in modern times. Oh damn all that she was listened again.
It's getting getting pretty close to Goodrning Vitnam as far
as release dates. But I really appreciate it. You are
a busy man and do you have anything you want

(01:09:58):
to give a quick plug to that's coming up.

Speaker 4 (01:10:01):
I think I'm going to have a special coming out
at some point this year. Here we go, maybe in November, November.
I could just keep your eyes out, just keeping the
buzz and just in the month of November, just keep
looking out.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
It's become a big thing now. I think it's a
great thing to be honest with. Comedians are just taking
care of their own specials and getting it out there
on YouTube. Is it your model? Yep?

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
On YouTube?

Speaker 4 (01:10:26):
Netflix came knock and I said, I might go on YouTube. Actually, yeah,
I think Netflix is going down downhill fast.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
Well, the thing the thing, you know, listeners might be thinking,
you know that obviously you get a big Netflix deal,
but that exists for like a very small percentage of
mainly American comedians. And I've had a couple of specials,
ones on Paramount or Loopy. But the thing about doing
a special for other people is then you kind of
lose it, really like you just hand it over and

(01:10:56):
you know, you may even only be allowed to play
x amount of you four minutes of of clips that
you can share it to your own socials. So what
a lot of comedians are doing now, shooting their own specials,
and that they and then they own it and they
put it out there on YouTube. A lot of it is,
you know, then drives audiences to get to their shows.
I think it's a great thing. Yeah, Tom Bella has

(01:11:17):
done it, you know, Dave Thoughton, Tommy Dassolo put one
up recently.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
So I saw that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
Yeah, yeah, so we'll look forward to. Do you have
a name that we can look at for shorts? Shorts?

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
You know, I don't know, maybe, I don't know if
you got any ideas for me?

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
Well maybe based someone of your favorite movie, The Big Shorts.

Speaker 4 (01:11:39):
That's good, but the shorts are quite short. I'd have
to be right at least three quarter three quarter shorts.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
Well, you know, I can't come up with all the ideas,
so but can consider that. But mate, I really love
hanging out.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
With you, and yeah that was fun. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
Do you like Good Morning Vietnam a fraction more or
still about the same.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
I think you've made some great points about it, and
I think I'm the exact same.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
Okay, but you exactly let's have just as we go
out this, let's have a listened to this.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
Sure, my height.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
I know I'm funny.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
Thank you, Lieutenant, and maybe that's the name of the
specialist in my heart.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
I know him funny all Lieutenant Steve, Lieutenant Steve.

Speaker 4 (01:12:30):
Also, the other thing watching this movie is I realized
that Robert really was, really could have done any job
in media. He could have He could have been on
a radio DJ, stand up movies, TV show, Broadway, any
sort of creative thing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
He could have done it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
Absolutely right, Absolutely, he is so good at the radio thing.
He really he really was. He really was a genius.
This one of us to be one of the first
movies where knowing that you had the soundtrack which went
ballistic and it was my probably first introduction of listening to,
you know, movie songs from another era, but also had
his grabs in it, and I think you know, pop

(01:13:06):
fiction obviously did a bit of that later on and
a Reservoir Dogs, but I think this may been one
of the first films to have done that as well.
So another legacy for this film. Ben Gosh, thank you
so much for joining us, mate, and thank you for
having me and we'll see you around. And that was

(01:13:42):
Ben Caution fantastic. Really enjoy hanging out with Ben. We
haven't really hung out a lot over the years. He
was a bit backstage when I was doing task Master
Australia because his partner Conchella, was on the show and
he's very supportive, so he was there and I enjoyed
getting to know him a bit through that, and just

(01:14:04):
a lovely, lovely, kind, funny guy if you get to
see him on stage, very very funny, very funny. If
you like jokes, he's a really good joke writer. That's
why he so owned demand for other people's TV shows
as well. If you want to get onto us, go
through our speak pipe. Love to hear your voice on
our show, Jasney Podcast at Gmail. To send us an email.

(01:14:26):
You can also if you want, you can try to
get through on my social channels Instagram. I'm very rarely
check Facebook, so Instagram probably be the one to be
absolutely honest and let us know what you think of
the show. Any comments. Love to hear from you guys.
Until then, bye for now, and so we leave old Pete,

(01:14:54):
save Van Soul, and to our friends of the radio audience,
we've been a pleasant time.

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