January 12, 2025 • 41 mins
In this episode of Great Chats with Francesca Rudkin, British comedian and author Richard Osman talks starting a new novel series and his take on the comedy scene.
Boxer Mea Motu had a massive 2024 - so she joined Francesca to chat her year and what is driving her to succeed.
And the ever delightful and surprising Miriam Margoyles toured New Zealand in early 2024 - and she had a delightful chat with Francesca.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Ab HI and Welcome to the summer edition of Great Chats.
I'm Francisca Rudkin and in this podcast we bring you
some of the best feature interviews from the Sunday Session
on News Talks EDB throughout twenty twenty four. First Up Today,
author and TV personality Richard Osmond, author of the Thursday
Murder Club book series, which have been a huge hit
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ten million copies sold worldwide. Kind of hit. This year though,
he put the Thursday Murder Club on hold to start
a new series called We Solve Murders, which was a
big move. So we started the conversation talking about why
he decided to start a new after four books, You've
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put Thursday Murder Club series on whole to right resolve murders.
Why the break? Did you just need a break?
Speaker 3 (01:17):
No, God, not at all. I think I think readers
occasionally need a break. I think, you know, I'm going
to be writing for the next twenty five years, so
at some point you have to introduce a new world
to readers. You have to introduce new characters to readers,
and you know that's what I'm doing here. Thursday Murder
Club will be back in twenty twenty five, but in
the meantime, I've got this wonderful raft of new characters
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who I think and I hope people will also fall
in love with.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I'm sure they will. Was it quite refreshing, though, for
you to do something different to develop these new characters.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
I don't know really.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
For the first couple of weeks, I really felt like
I was cheating on the Thursday Murder Club.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
I felt terribly guilty.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
And then I've reasoned with myself that the Thursday Murder
Club still exists in this world.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
They're just up the road.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
They're just putting their feet up after a tough few years.
And as soon as I in love with these new characters,
Steve and Amy and Rosie, everything was, everything was golden
from that moment onwards.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
A different book, but there add little similarities. I think,
you know, it's absolutely going to appeal to your fans,
isn't it. There are some similarities between the series in
this book.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yeah, listen, I think so much, as I'd like to say,
I've written, you know, an extraordinary new piece of experimental fiction.
Anyone who likes the Thursday Murder Club books, I think,
is going to love this. It's got the same written
wisdom and warmth and all of that kind of stuff.
It's just on a broader canvas. It's likely more globe
trotting than Thursday Murder Club has done. But yeah, you
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would not mistake it for anyone else's writing. I think
once you got through the first few pages, I.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Did hear that Steve, one of the one of the
main characters, might be slightly inspired by yourself and the
fact that you're a bit of a reluctant traveler.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Yes, I wanted to write something that was globe trotting,
and I thought to myself, who would who would it
be funniest for me to send around the world? And
I thought the best person would be someone who really,
really really doesn't want to go around the world, and
that's Steve. Steve lives in a beautiful village in Hampshire
in the south of England. In the New Forest. All
he wants to do really is stay home with his
cat Trouble, and he wants to do the pub queers,
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and he wants to hang out with his mates. And essentially,
his daughter in law is a bodyguard for billionaires and
all she wants to do is go around the world.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
And she gets into trouble.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Someone is targeting her and she owes only one person
she can trust, that's Steve, so she sends for him.
And suddenly, poor Steve has to leave behind this quiet
life and fly around the world on private jets to
much to his disappointment.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I have to say, I'm not sure if you're at
the private jet stage yet, but is that you are?
You a reluctant traveler.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
A little bit. I like it when I am somewhere.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I don't like the transitional period between being at home
and being somewhere abroad. That's the bit I hate. I'm
happy at home. If I end up somewhere else, I'm okay.
But yeah, buy in line. I don't want to go
to airports, so I don't want to be on planes.
I don't want to in my brain, I don't like
to do new things, and I kind of do but
I wanted to have somebody having this incredibly luxurious world
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around him and all the time just thinking, oh god,
I need to get home for Tuesday, because that's the
pub quiz.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
I do have to hit you up on a night though.
Regarding tripling, because you went to Australia last year, you
came all the way to Australia. We adjusted, We adjust
a tiny hop across the tasmany disappointed you did not
make it.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Tell me about it, you were disappointed. One of my
great ambitions is to come to New Zealand, right I
think I think British people are in love with New
Zealand because it has you know, it feels exhaustic and
far away, but it has a familiarity. You know, if
we've been to Scotland, we feel like New Zealand is
this extraordinarily exciting and you know, a tropical version of Scotland.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Yeah. I went to Australia. I could only do a week.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
I honestly, like all British people, I thought New Zealand
was like half an hour on the plane from Sydney.
When I discovered it wasn't, I thought, okay, if I'm
going to do New zeither that I don't want to
turn up for a day. If I want to do
New Zealand, I'm going to come for a month, see everything,
see everybody.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Very cool. Yeah, you've always written. Most of your work has,
of course being on TV, and it wasn't until you
were almost fifty that you started releasing these novels. Do
you think that time and that life experience, you know,
was actually helpful when it came to you know, these books,
these books. Do you think that if you'd been writing
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these books, say, in your twenties, there would have been
quite a different thing.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
I do think that. Yeah. I mean, listen, there are
some there are people who write.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Brilliant books in their twenties, you know, Sally Rooney, Martin Amos,
that there are people who can do it. I think
if I'd written a book in my twenties, it might
have been a bit more glib, you know, I'm sure
it would have been. You know, I could have written
something funny and written a murder mystery. But I think
I hope that life and lived experience allows me to
write a book that resonates more with people, and I
can write about things I wouldn't have been able to
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do and I've been through all sorts of things, so yeah,
I think that my brain was looking after me. And
every time I started a novel over the years, I
think my brain was saying, You've got to wait your turn,
young man, and you've got to wait until actually you've
got something to say.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Has the book success sort of turned your career a
little bit? I mean, is this kind of what you're
mostly doing these days?
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Yeah, it's funny, you know what.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Weirdly, being a TV presenter was the with blip in
my life because I've always been a writer, and then
I became a completely accidental television presenter and a completely
accidental famous person in the UK. And actually, writing is
my love. Writing is the thing that I've always done.
So this is actually, this is one hundred percent me.
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If I look back across my whole career, if anyone
wants to know who I am, if anyone wants to
know where my heart is and what I know about
the world, it's in the books. That is one hundred
percent me. And everything in life happens for a reason.
But I'm very glad I've lived life in the order
that I have.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
You're right, incredibly strong, intricate, characters, where do they come from?
What do you want in a character?
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Well, to me, I know I write in the genre
of crime fiction, and people sort of always think about
plots and always think about where do you get your ideas?
And for me, books are all character. That's the only
thing I'm interested in. Really, It's not what happens in
the book, it's why do I care what happens in
the book? Why am I going to follow the story?
So everything for me starts with character. So you know,
if I start a book, I'm not thinking, Oh, what
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could happen, what could be the murder, what could be
the twist? I'm thinking, who am my protagonists here? What's
their relationship with each other? Why do they love each other?
What differences do they have with each other? And when
I start writing a book, I just write conversations between
characters until I work them out, until suddenly people say something.
So in this book, I've got Steve Wheeler, the ex cop,
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and I've got his daughter in law, which I thought
was a fun relationship, and I thought, right, I'm going
to find out a little bit about this daughter in law, Amy,
who's a bodyguard, so she has to have a client
at the start of the book, I thought, I'll give
her a like a no like a Jackie Collins type novelist.
So she's looking after this woman called Rosie D'Antonio on
a private island in South Carolina, and I thought, I'll
just write a conversation between the two of them.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
And I'm trying to find out about.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Amy when I'm doing this, and she's having this conversation
with Rosie, who is of indeterminate age but certainly was
around in the Hollywood of the seventies and eighties, so
she certainly has a certain vintage. She's always got a
martini in her hand, of mischief in her eyes. And
when I finished that, just a bit of dialogue, this
one little chapter, I thought, Rosie has got to also
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be It was going to be a two parter. Now
this book is a three part and that's what I
love about character. That's what I love about citing books
is find the characters. Find the characters, and then follow
them and plot can follow. But everything is do I
care about these people.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Some people think that mixing crime and comedy it's not
a natural peering. I mean, I think that comedy can
be mixed with absolutely anything, but I think it's really
hard to get the balance right. And you get the
balance right, but that's hard, Yes.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
It really is, and I'm exactly like you as a
lifelong crime fiction fan. There's a few people who could
even do it. Chris Brickman, I can do it, Carl
Arson and the States can do it. But I don't
really like it so much when there are jokes in
crime but takes me out of the story. And so
right from the start of the two Murder clu I thought,
whatever you do, don't make this funny. I just thought, absolutely,
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don't do it. But my career has been comedy. That's
the way my brain works, its first port of call.
So the rule I made for myself was the characters
can be funny. The author is not allowed to be funny.
So if there's anything that's making you laugh, it's the characters,
and there are interactions with each other and that the
situations they find themselves in. I hope at no point
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you're thinking, oh, that's the author trying to be funny.
That's the author making a joke, because it takes you
out of the story. So set myself that rule early on,
which is anything funny that happens is down to the characters,
and I keep myself out of it.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
That's how I try and make that balance.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
It works. Let's talk about the Netflix adaptation, because it's
quite incredible the group of people that have come on
board to pull us off. You've got Steven Spielberg, You've
got Chris Columbus is writing and directing it. You've got
the most incredible cast. So that what is it like
handing it over? What is it like handing over to
people of this kind of caliber?
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Well, yes, exactly those That question is absolutely right to
be a two parter because obviously, when you have to
hand it over, unless you're going to be in charge
of the whole thing yourself, you have to hold it
at arm's length.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
You have to see, I've done my bit, which is
right the book. I have to let someone else have
some fun now.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
But when you hand it over to people of that caliber,
and Chris Columbus is just the nicest man you'll ever
meet in your entire life. And then Chris says, oh
that Helen Mirren's going to do it, You're like okay,
And then old Sir Ben Kingsley has joined up. See there,
Imri is this per Piers Brosna, isn't there. You just think, well, look,
I know I'm holding this at arm's length, but I
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feel like I'm in safe hands. So I've been down
to the set a few times and you know, they
make me very welcome and that's lovely. But seeing that
incredible group of people doing their job is wonderful and
I just I'm honestly, I'm watching from the outside and waiting,
Like all fans of the book, I'm just waiting to
see what they do with it and what the film's like.
But it's some Yeah, you sort of sit there and
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Pierce Bosn and it ambles over and starts chatting to you,
and you think, well, this is this is an unusual Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
You've had a lot of involvement in television in the UK,
the media and New Zealanders and all sorts of trouble.
Some companies have made capbex one Nick Mooks has adopted
some entire news division. Who You're talking about the BBC
and its financial woes on your podcast. What is the
situation like in the UK? Is the media struggling?
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Yeah, it's the same.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Really, Well, do you know what It's interesting when we
say the media is struggling, because what we actually mean
is the media as we understand it from where we
were when we grew up, is struggling. So you know,
I grew up in an environment and lots and lots
of your listeners would have grown up environment where you've
got your free to air television and you've got your
regular channels, and you know, everything is scheduled. And that
was our childhood, that was our teenage years, that's our twenties.
(12:15):
So that's what we understand by media that is definitely going.
So all those big older legacy companies and those big
legacy broadcasters, they're in trouble because advertisers have found easier
ways to reach people, and without those advertisers that the
ecosystem doesn't work. So I think media, funnily enough, creativity
and content has probably never been in a better place
(12:36):
because there's lots and lots of ways for people to
enter the industry to create content. But that thing that
is in our heart, which is sitting down with our
family or friends watching something that the rest of our
country is watching at the same time, and then talking
about it the next day, that is something that's going
to disappear and it's tremendously sad for us. It's certainly
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tremendously sad for people who work in those legacy industries.
But I think it's inevitable, and I think it does
get replaced with something interesting, and it will get replaced with.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Something There is more work to do.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
But you know, if you worked on the steam trains
just before the electric trains came in, there's not a
huge amount that you can do about it. It's the truth,
other than you know, try and you know, learn how
electric trains work.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Richard just finally Thursday Murder Club characters. It's great to hear.
We'll be back in twenty twenty five. But I suppose
the one issue about writing about people in a retirement
village and of the sucon age is that how long
can they last? So does that sort of tear up
your heartstrings a bit? Because you've created these characters that
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people really really love. I mean, they can go on
for ever. But I wonder if it ever crosses your mind.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Yeah, I do think.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Yeah, that's if I made any misstep here, it's to
start a series with protagonists in their late seventies and
early eighties.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
I think that I try and pack.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
An awful lot in So the first four books sort
of take place sort of across a year, really, and
I'll continue to do that. I'm also banking on the
fact that readers and myself can enter into a little
contract with each other, which is we can slow down
the aging process a little bit.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
But you're absolutely right.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
I can't be writing about them in twenty years time,
but there's plenty of life in them yet.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
I will say that.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
But you make a very valid point, and don't think
it's not something that's kept me awake at night before.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Now the biggest names from the Sunday Station Great Chats
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Speaker 2 (14:41):
It'd be an incredibly likable man. That was Richard Osmond
has book series at The Thursday Murder Club and we
solve murders. As of recording this podcast, a release date
for the Netflix adaptation of The Thursday Murder Club hasn't
been released yet, but hopefully it will be out in
twenty twenty five. The cool thing about my job is
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getting to meet fast seating people, and I loved meeting
me and Mottu this year. One of my Guilty Pleasures
is Celebrity Treasure Island, No judgment, thank you. And Mia
was a contestant this year, which was a great excuse
to get her in the studio to talk about reality
TV boxing, dealing with what life throws at you, and
giving back. Here is my interview with me and Mottu.
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We started out talking about CTI were you a bit
of a reluctant contestant for Celebrity Treasure Island?
Speaker 5 (15:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Did they have to twist your arm to do it?
Speaker 5 (15:37):
Kind of?
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yes? Yeah, okay, so you were? You were sort of?
I'm not so had you ever seen the season? Have
you ever seen the show?
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (15:44):
Yeah, I watched the last show because of Tudio and Tommy.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yes. Oh good, So you kind of knew what you
were getting into.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
Not really. I just watched little bits of episodes of it,
like snippets, but never.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
Watched the full show.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
So I watched the Games Room as funny as but
I had no idea what was it about to happen?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Oh that is That's brilliant and maybe a good way
to go into it, because it is quite an experience,
isn't it.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 6 (16:16):
It's definitely an experienced definitely challenging, and definitely I thought
reality TV was just like, you know, you only do
it when the TV's on.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
I love it, I love it, But actually you were
expected to do things quite often all the time, you know,
like you're just yeah, they're telling you what you have
to do, and you have to do it.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
And yeah, we're constantly on the go, and it's like
you're never resting.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
It's like the only time you rest is when they're gone.
And as that nighttime, Oh.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
My god, what did you think? So what did you
think it would be like? Did you have any idea
what it would be like?
Speaker 6 (16:50):
I thought it would just be like one game a day, Yeah,
and then we get to chill and have fun and
news a proper toilet in the shower.
Speaker 5 (16:59):
But no, it wasn't like that. And I thought, oh, yeah,
off the screen is.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
We can eat normal food.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
But no, so it was rare.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
So that is really interesting. So what we see is
what we get that you don't get to go and
spend the night in a motel and use a shower
or a toilet. Were you are is where you are
until you leave.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
Yeah, it's definitely you're sleeping on those horrible bunks and
it's freezing cold.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
But you were quite surprised, like people really did struggle
a little bit with the conditions.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
Yeah, it was like adapting to the conditions and like
the new environment was very different and we had to late. Literally,
we're staying with these people twenty four to seven and
we've got no phone.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
No communication.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
We don't even know that the time is because we're
not allowed to know.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
There's some quite strong personalities in this season. I can't
wait for the season. It looks so good. How did
you find that sort of getting to know all these
people and trying to play the game against them.
Speaker 6 (18:03):
Oh, I found it quite amazing, Like I got to
know everyone and on a personal note, but also on
just being on the island, because that's that's what you've got,
is your team, and you're not allowed to communicate with
anyone else. You can't even communicate with the other team.
You can't even communicate with the people behind the scenes.
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You're only allowed to communicate with your team. So that
was very challenging, but also at the same time, it
was really nice because I got to know them on
a whole other level and it built like a family vibe.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
Because they were I was left with.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
And you know, there was different definitely different personalities. It
was like there was clashing. But for me, I was
more of a supporter and encouraging and I just wanted
to give everything to go and I wanted to get
to know everybody because it was definitely out of my
comfort zone because I struggled to trust people. So it
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gave me a new motivation to be like, Okay, let's
get out of your comfort zone and let's get to
know these people for who they are.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Oh, good on you, Good on you. How'd you find
the physical challenges that they throw at you?
Speaker 7 (19:14):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (19:15):
I love the physical challenges. They were my most funest.
Like I was the one that always wanted to give
everything a go. I was just like I didn't really
care about winning or losing.
Speaker 7 (19:25):
I care.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
All I cared about was giving one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
And that's something that you're going to do on October
the twenty sixth, aren't you. This is so exciting that
you're able to challenge England's Alie Scottney for these titles.
How excited are you?
Speaker 7 (19:41):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (19:41):
I'm so excited.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
I can't wait.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
I'm like itching inside me and I want to burst
and explode, and I'm just it's finally here.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I was laughing once was talking just before we came
on here. When I mentioned it, you just couldn't stand still.
You're just moving the whole time. So what do you do?
Speaker 6 (19:57):
Now?
Speaker 2 (19:57):
How do you go about preparing for a fight like this?
Speaker 6 (20:00):
So I've got to go overseas because there's just there's
no sparring or anything here. For me, it's quite hard
and everyone I just don't have that support here where overseas,
I've got more of a challenge for spirring and it
will definitely benefit me and up build my skills and stuff.
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So that's the must challenging. So I was quite stressed
at the start. As soon as I found out that
I was fighting, I was quite stressed and very upset
and emotional because I was just full of joy and pride.
But at the same time, I was like, how am
I going to get there? Because we literally have to
do this all on our own and come from our
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own pocket.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
So that was a stressful thing. But I'm lucky.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
I've got a lot of people who I reached out
to and are willing to support and back me. So
I've got sponsors that are willing to sponsor me. But
it ain't easy because you know that's the hardest. But
it is trying to get overseas and trying to get sparring.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
And that's stressful, right, because you just want to focus
on the fight as you do. Right, that's what you
want to focus on, But unfortunately you know you don't
have that. You can't. You've got to be thinking about everything.
Is this your biggest fight yet?
Speaker 5 (21:14):
Yes? This is my biggest fight.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Do want to put the pressure on, but it really is.
I mean, this could be a historic opportunity.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
That's all I've wanted is I've always wanted to unify
and be undisputed, and I want to I want to
be that one that breaks the records.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
So how do you then keep the magnitude of this
opportunity kind of in check? How do you just focus
on the fight.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
I've just got a good I've got a good team. Yeah,
I've got a really amazing coach and a manager who
really just always keeps.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
Me in line and on check.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
And I have great family who just help me with
my children and they just allow me to focus on
my sport. But it's challenging because sometimes I've got to
work and try to juggle it all together.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
But we make it happen and I find ways.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
When you get to England, this is going to be
huge this fight. There's going to be so much publicity
around it. You know, the fights themselves are these huge
events and things. Is that distracting or do you enjoy that?
Do you enjoy walking into that environment?
Speaker 5 (22:25):
I love it. I enjoy walking into that environment.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
Like I'm already prepared and my focus is only the fight,
so you know, I you know, I allow all the
publicity just to come and I know that's part of
being an athlete, So it doesn't bother me as long
as I don't lose focus off the fight.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
And then when you're in the ring, you know, obviously
there's going to be a lot of support there for Ali.
But that doesn't phase you either, does it.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
No, that doesn't phase me because I definitely been an
overseas and already had that. But I just focus on me,
and you know, the people that are foreign criticism, I
just smile away because you know, a dangerous fighter is
happy fighter.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Miya, You've had the most incredible journey to get to
where you are and the success that you've you know
that you've earned. What do you want people to take
from your journey? You know, I know that you've been
a victim of violence, You've you've been homeless, you're you know,
you've got your kids and things. What do you want
people to take from what you've managed to do?
Speaker 6 (23:29):
I want people to know that no matter what walk
or life you come from, you are great. You are amazing,
You are beautiful and have a voice. That's what I
want people to know. And you know, look at me
and be like whatever, I've been through that walk and
it doesn't matter how bad you walk, you can always
get up and how badly are you willing to fight?
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So that's it's a determination, and I refuse to say no.
I'll always challenge myself. If someone says I can't, I'll
be like, oh well, I'll prove you wrong.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
And as long as I give it a go, that's greatness.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Because it's really brief thing. So times to say yes
to things, even when life is okay and good. Yeah,
it's really hard to do it when things are a
bit tough, isn't it?
Speaker 6 (24:12):
It is?
Speaker 5 (24:13):
And it's just for me.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
I just want to normalize that it's okay not to
be okay?
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
How have you got to where you are? Who has
helped you get to where you are?
Speaker 6 (24:27):
My big guess help and support has to be my coach,
Isaac Peach and Alena Peach. They're definitely supported me back
to me and they have allowed me to be me.
My coach tells me all the time, you change for nobody,
you be you, and I've always held that and I'll
always remain me.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
What do you love about boxing?
Speaker 6 (24:51):
What I love about boxing is that it's very challenging,
but also it's taught me how to walk life. You know,
It's built confidence, it's helped me with my mental health,
and the biggest thing is it's really opened the door
for what.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
I I rarely want to chase.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
And that's funny for our next generation, allowing our kids
to have a voice and they're normalizing that it's okay
not to be okay for our kids, you know, giving
that opportunity for our kids to be who they are.
We're always trying to put these expectations on our children
when really we're not actually listening to them and allowing
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them to be what they want to be and who
they want to be. Allow them to be their identity
and be true to who they are and support them
in that.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
It's we get so fixated and what.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
We want for them instead of what they want for themselves.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
And that's my biggest congregation.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yeah. Absolutely, And what about just boxing in general? Is
it is it growing as women's boxing growing in New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
It's slowly growing in New Zealand.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
Woman's boxing not as quick as what I thought it
would be, but it is slowly growing. But overseas it's
a lot more bigger boxing, you know. So it's a
lot bigger overseas, but I'd love it to grow here.
You I don't even want women to be fighters. I
just want them to have self love in self care
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where boxing, and that's what boxing gives. It's a it's
a safe place to lash your anchor and cut of control.
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Speaker 2 (26:35):
There so inspiring and you can hear that passion, can't
you When she talks about boxing. You should have seen
her face light up when we started talking about boxing
and she just couldn't sit still. Things did not go
according to plan for me this year, though, but watch
the space. I still believe the best is yet to
come when it comes to her boxing career. My last
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guest on the podcast today is the delightfully naughty Miriam Maugles,
known for her many characters on the screen, most famously
Professors Sprout in the Harry Potter movie, and many of
you will have witnessed her honest and quite outrageous interviews
on talk shows. She toured New Zealand early in twenty
twenty four and we had a chat about all sorts
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of things, including bad Jelly, the witch of all things.
Here is my interview with Miriam maglees. Where are you
in the country at the moment? Here in New Zealand at.
Speaker 7 (27:30):
The moment, I'm in a hotel in Elleslie, which I'm
enjoying very much, and I'm with my cousin Carol, and
I'm very fond of her, and really that's why I
came this week. But I also have managed to do
some work that's exciting because I'm a voice actress as
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well as a proper actress and I've been doing the
voice of Bad Jelly, which is a very important and
much loved children's series.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Very exciting. I mean, I think we all. I still
have my copy of Bad Jelly that I had as
a child. Such a loved story, isn't it.
Speaker 7 (28:10):
Well, I didn't know anything about it until I was
asked to do it, because I think it's something that
maybe New Zealand as and Australians know, but I didn't
know when I was little. But then I grew up
on Enid Blyton and that sort of thing in nineteen
forty one, in the early forties. But it's delightful and
it's it's kind of good. You know, it's worthy. It's
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not it's not defiling or corrupting. There is a sweetness
and an energy, and she's not everybody's cup of tea
bag Jelly. She's quite naughty, of course, and I like that.
I respond to that.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
When I heard you were playing the part, I did
think that you had been perfectly cast.
Speaker 7 (28:58):
Well I think so too. As it happens.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Let's talk about your live show. Of course, you're coming
back in March for Miriam Live. Tell me about the show.
Of course, it's based off the book as well in
the memoir.
Speaker 7 (29:12):
Yes, it is a book tour, I suppose, and I
will just come on stage. I will be interviewed by
somebody clever, and then it's thrown open to the audience
and they can ask me any questions they like about
anything at all, even you might say, inappropriate subjects, and
I shall tell them the truth. I'll tell them the
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extent of my activities, both upright and lying down.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Telling the truth is and being honest and being genuine
is something that you're well known for. It's something that
we appreciate so much. Do we do it enough?
Speaker 7 (29:50):
Now? Of course we don't do it enough. And it's
appalling that I should be one of very few people
who seem to do it. Everybody used to do it.
When I was little, it was very important. My parents said,
you must never lie. You can't do business with people
who lie. And yet all the major politicians of the
world lives in their bottoms. It's absolutely shocking. So if
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I can reverse the trend of liars, I would have
done a very good deed.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Is it important to be authentic for you personally? But
it's just as you say, it's who you are, where
you come from.
Speaker 7 (30:28):
I think it's important, but I don't think I cannot
be authentic. I don't know how to be anything else
than I am, and I don't see the point. I
want people to know what I'm really like, who I
really am, just as I want to know about you
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and your listeners, what are they like, what do they
want out of the world. It's a natural thing to
be oneself, and I'm glad I'm confident enough in myself
to be myself. I mean, some people, perhaps they lack confidence,
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and I want to be able to give people confidence.
But I keep being asked to be an agony aunt
now and kind of advise people. And I'm not qualified
to advise anybody about anything, but I think I can say,
believe in yourself and share it.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
But you've lived such a life, Mariam, haven't. You were
so many experts. I can totally understand why somebody sees
take some of that knowledge, take that wisdom, take that experience,
and being agny at.
Speaker 7 (31:40):
It's quite flattering because when I was much younger, people
used to say, as the title of my book, oh Mary,
as if I was, you know, shocking and behaving badly,
which I still do, of course, And I have to
admit that. But I've never hurt anybody. I've never killed anybody.
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I've never damaged anybody. I don't want to make people
feel small. I want to build the well.
Speaker 6 (32:06):
Oh.
Speaker 7 (32:06):
I want them to be happy, because happiness is rare
and valuable and we should try to increase the sum
of it in the world. But most people, not most
people that you know, most politicians, and what I'm saying,
most politicians don't make life better for us. They make
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it worse, and that I can't accept. So I do
speak out about politicians.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Because you're often described as a bit naughty and that
word shocking. But what strikes me is, as you just
mentioned there is it's harmless shock. You're not a shock
shock going for a cheap joke at the expense of
other people, or hamming other people or offending. It's always
comes from you know. The shock is often you sharing
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your story. Honestly, it's you know, the joke is on
you as oppose on other people. And that's that's become
sort of a fine line that we're not quite so
good at nailing these days.
Speaker 7 (33:12):
I believe what you say is true, and I hope
so because that's what I want. I don't want to
expose other people. I want to expose myself, and some
people would rather I didn't. I can understand that.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Too, and you certainly have at times.
Speaker 7 (33:29):
Yes, but breasts are okay. What's wrong with breasts? I
don't think they're offensive. And in fact, one of the
things I've been asked to do is to write an
extra chapter for Oh Miriam for the paperback version of
is coming out in July, because I've just been fitted
for a bra and I've never been fitted for a
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bra before. I used to just you know, pick one
off the shelf, so to speak. But there's a there's
a shop in London called Rigby and Pella, which is
where the Late Queen used to buy her bras, and
we're very large ladies or ladies who've had a mostectomy
or some breast operation go to be fitted and sorted.
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And I've always had breasts that were just too much
to deal with and I hope them into whatever bra
I could get older. But I've been to a place
that really takes trouble over your bra and it's a
completely different experience.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
And has it been life changing having a welfated bra?
Speaker 7 (34:39):
I think it's been breast changing, but I don't that
life changing. I shall have to see.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I love the fact that I think I'm right eighty
two years of age. You're still having new experiences.
Speaker 7 (34:54):
Well, yes, of course, and I think it's important to
have new experiences. They're not always terrific ones. I mean,
I'm developing arthritis. Never had that before, so that's thing
I'm learning about. But suddenly your body doesn't do what
you used to be able to do with it, and
I don't like that bit of it. But growing old
(35:17):
is a process, so let's see what happens. And I'm
going to keep being massaged all the time I want.
I'm going to every town I go in on my tour,
I'm going to get a good massage.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
So the body is sort of throng a few yeah,
sort of speed bumps into the works. But you seem
to be still so incredibly busy with work. Obviously you
like being busy.
Speaker 7 (35:45):
Oh, I do like being busy. It's a privilege. I
just wish that my success. I'm so late in life.
I could have done with it a bit earlier, but
never mind, it's come now, and I'm saving the money
for cares because I will need careers, and I don't
really want to go into a home, but there are
a couple of homes that I've checked out and me
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and my partner will go there. I want to be
with her as much as possible. I've been very lucky
because I found when I was about twenty seven, I
found somebody I wanted to spend my life and we
have fifty four years. And that's pretty special because, as
I always say, life is sweeter shared.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Absolutely, you spend quite a lot of time in Australia
as well, don't you.
Speaker 7 (36:34):
I do. I am an Australian. I became an Australian.
I should have become a New Zealander, but I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
It's okay, that's okay. We would love to have had
to you. But you do spend a bit of time
there as well. Will that continue?
Speaker 7 (36:51):
Oh yes, I hope so, because it's it's a big
and interesting country. And I have a very good house
there which I share with my partner and her sister actually,
and we love it. I love it's the Southern Highlands,
and that was because of Babe, because that was the
first place I went to work and make a film,
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and I really enjoyed that. It's beautiful. But my word,
A New Zealand is much more beautiful than Australia, There's
no question about that. A variety of it is amazing.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
You're too kind, just going back to doing things. For
the first time, I saw last year that you graced
the cover of a Vogue magazine. Was that the first
time that it happened?
Speaker 7 (37:39):
Well, of course it was, and that it was Gay Pride,
and I'm you know, I'm a well known lesbian. I
suppose I can say that without without upsetting people. And
they wanted to put a well known lesbian on the cover,
so they had me. I never expected to be on
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the cover of Vote. But you know what, that photographer,
Tim Walker, he's brilliant. He made me look pretty good,
I thought. And I'm not a pretty face. I'm not pretty,
and I've got a body like an old sack. But
you know what, he made me look pretty sprauncy, and
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I was thrilled. And it sold out that version of it,
that that episode. It's not a television come, it's a magazine.
That that issue sold out, So I'm pretty chucking myself
about that.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
I hope the hope they have you back. Also, just
going back to this naughtiness, where did that come from?
I believe it sort of came from your mother.
Speaker 7 (38:49):
Well, it didn't come from Daddy, because he was a
very you know, rather a tight lip, a rather shy
man actually from Scotland, the sweet man. But mummy was. Yeah,
I think mummy was a bit naughty, but not in
a way that would cause comment in the way that
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my naughtonus causes comment. She wasn't sexually naughty, and she
didn't swear, but she had a twinkle and she was outspoken,
and I think I developed that a bit. I've always
been naughty at school. I was naughty, and I liked
being naughty. I liked putting out my hand and saying, please,
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miss Kay, what a testicle? Laughing Naughtally, I've just enjoyed
it because I could see that if you said the
word testicles, people look shopped. And I enjoyed that. Mind you,
I don't say testicles very much anymore.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Well, I'm delighted that we've got both breasts and testicles
in the interview today. If your mother could see you now,
I read a few comments that you'd made that she
might be a little displeased about some of the things
that you say or do. What would she think of
Miriam today?
Speaker 7 (40:07):
She would love me whatever, because that was the kind
of mum. She was all encompassing, all embracing, totally supporting.
But she would make her feelings known that I was
not behaving like a lady, and she always wanted to
be to behave like a lady, and I never have.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
There's quite a difference between saying to somebody I love
you and saying I love you no matter what. Isn't there.
Speaker 7 (40:36):
Mummy would say I love you no matter what, but
try to take a pride in your appearance, and don't swear,
and don't fart, and lift your head up and put
your shoulders back. She was always trying to improve me,
and I loved her and I still love her the best.
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Speaker 2 (41:04):
That was Miriam my lease, inspiring us all to be
a little bit more honest in our lives, maybe a
little naughty and not let age stop you doing what
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Ab HI and Welcome to the summer edition of Great Chats.
I'm Francisca Rudkin and in this podcast we bring you
some of the best feature interviews from the Sunday Session
on News Talks EDB throughout twenty twenty four. First Up Today,
author and TV personality Richard Osmond, author of the Thursday
Murder Club book series, which have been a huge hit
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ten million copies sold worldwide. Kind of hit. This year though,
he put the Thursday Murder Club on hold to start
a new series called We Solve Murders, which was a
big move. So we started the conversation talking about why
he decided to start a new after four books, You've
(01:09):
put Thursday Murder Club series on whole to right resolve murders.
Why the break? Did you just need a break?
Speaker 3 (01:17):
No, God, not at all. I think I think readers
occasionally need a break. I think, you know, I'm going
to be writing for the next twenty five years, so
at some point you have to introduce a new world
to readers. You have to introduce new characters to readers,
and you know that's what I'm doing here. Thursday Murder
Club will be back in twenty twenty five, but in
the meantime, I've got this wonderful raft of new characters
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who I think and I hope people will also fall
in love with.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I'm sure they will. Was it quite refreshing, though, for
you to do something different to develop these new characters.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
I don't know really.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
For the first couple of weeks, I really felt like
I was cheating on the Thursday Murder Club.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
I felt terribly guilty.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
And then I've reasoned with myself that the Thursday Murder
Club still exists in this world.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
They're just up the road.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
They're just putting their feet up after a tough few years.
And as soon as I in love with these new characters,
Steve and Amy and Rosie, everything was, everything was golden
from that moment onwards.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
A different book, but there add little similarities. I think,
you know, it's absolutely going to appeal to your fans,
isn't it. There are some similarities between the series in
this book.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yeah, listen, I think so much, as I'd like to say,
I've written, you know, an extraordinary new piece of experimental fiction.
Anyone who likes the Thursday Murder Club books, I think,
is going to love this. It's got the same written
wisdom and warmth and all of that kind of stuff.
It's just on a broader canvas. It's likely more globe
trotting than Thursday Murder Club has done. But yeah, you
(02:44):
would not mistake it for anyone else's writing. I think
once you got through the first few pages, I.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Did hear that Steve, one of the one of the
main characters, might be slightly inspired by yourself and the
fact that you're a bit of a reluctant traveler.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Yes, I wanted to write something that was globe trotting,
and I thought to myself, who would who would it
be funniest for me to send around the world? And
I thought the best person would be someone who really,
really really doesn't want to go around the world, and
that's Steve. Steve lives in a beautiful village in Hampshire
in the south of England. In the New Forest. All
he wants to do really is stay home with his
cat Trouble, and he wants to do the pub queers,
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and he wants to hang out with his mates. And essentially,
his daughter in law is a bodyguard for billionaires and
all she wants to do is go around the world.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
And she gets into trouble.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Someone is targeting her and she owes only one person
she can trust, that's Steve, so she sends for him.
And suddenly, poor Steve has to leave behind this quiet
life and fly around the world on private jets to
much to his disappointment.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I have to say, I'm not sure if you're at
the private jet stage yet, but is that you are?
You a reluctant traveler.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
A little bit. I like it when I am somewhere.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I don't like the transitional period between being at home
and being somewhere abroad. That's the bit I hate. I'm
happy at home. If I end up somewhere else, I'm okay.
But yeah, buy in line. I don't want to go
to airports, so I don't want to be on planes.
I don't want to in my brain, I don't like
to do new things, and I kind of do but
I wanted to have somebody having this incredibly luxurious world
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around him and all the time just thinking, oh god,
I need to get home for Tuesday, because that's the
pub quiz.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
I do have to hit you up on a night though.
Regarding tripling, because you went to Australia last year, you
came all the way to Australia. We adjusted, We adjust
a tiny hop across the tasmany disappointed you did not
make it.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Tell me about it, you were disappointed. One of my
great ambitions is to come to New Zealand, right I
think I think British people are in love with New
Zealand because it has you know, it feels exhaustic and
far away, but it has a familiarity. You know, if
we've been to Scotland, we feel like New Zealand is
this extraordinarily exciting and you know, a tropical version of Scotland.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Yeah. I went to Australia. I could only do a week.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
I honestly, like all British people, I thought New Zealand
was like half an hour on the plane from Sydney.
When I discovered it wasn't, I thought, okay, if I'm
going to do New zeither that I don't want to
turn up for a day. If I want to do
New Zealand, I'm going to come for a month, see everything,
see everybody.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Very cool. Yeah, you've always written. Most of your work has,
of course being on TV, and it wasn't until you
were almost fifty that you started releasing these novels. Do
you think that time and that life experience, you know,
was actually helpful when it came to you know, these books,
these books. Do you think that if you'd been writing
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these books, say, in your twenties, there would have been
quite a different thing.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
I do think that. Yeah. I mean, listen, there are
some there are people who write.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Brilliant books in their twenties, you know, Sally Rooney, Martin Amos,
that there are people who can do it. I think
if I'd written a book in my twenties, it might
have been a bit more glib, you know, I'm sure
it would have been. You know, I could have written
something funny and written a murder mystery. But I think
I hope that life and lived experience allows me to
write a book that resonates more with people, and I
can write about things I wouldn't have been able to
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do and I've been through all sorts of things, so yeah,
I think that my brain was looking after me. And
every time I started a novel over the years, I
think my brain was saying, You've got to wait your turn,
young man, and you've got to wait until actually you've
got something to say.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Has the book success sort of turned your career a
little bit? I mean, is this kind of what you're
mostly doing these days?
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Yeah, it's funny, you know what.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Weirdly, being a TV presenter was the with blip in
my life because I've always been a writer, and then
I became a completely accidental television presenter and a completely
accidental famous person in the UK. And actually, writing is
my love. Writing is the thing that I've always done.
So this is actually, this is one hundred percent me.
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If I look back across my whole career, if anyone
wants to know who I am, if anyone wants to
know where my heart is and what I know about
the world, it's in the books. That is one hundred
percent me. And everything in life happens for a reason.
But I'm very glad I've lived life in the order
that I have.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
You're right, incredibly strong, intricate, characters, where do they come from?
What do you want in a character?
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Well, to me, I know I write in the genre
of crime fiction, and people sort of always think about
plots and always think about where do you get your ideas?
And for me, books are all character. That's the only
thing I'm interested in. Really, It's not what happens in
the book, it's why do I care what happens in
the book? Why am I going to follow the story?
So everything for me starts with character. So you know,
if I start a book, I'm not thinking, Oh, what
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could happen, what could be the murder, what could be
the twist? I'm thinking, who am my protagonists here? What's
their relationship with each other? Why do they love each other?
What differences do they have with each other? And when
I start writing a book, I just write conversations between
characters until I work them out, until suddenly people say something.
So in this book, I've got Steve Wheeler, the ex cop,
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and I've got his daughter in law, which I thought
was a fun relationship, and I thought, right, I'm going
to find out a little bit about this daughter in law, Amy,
who's a bodyguard, so she has to have a client
at the start of the book, I thought, I'll give
her a like a no like a Jackie Collins type novelist.
So she's looking after this woman called Rosie D'Antonio on
a private island in South Carolina, and I thought, I'll
just write a conversation between the two of them.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
And I'm trying to find out about.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Amy when I'm doing this, and she's having this conversation
with Rosie, who is of indeterminate age but certainly was
around in the Hollywood of the seventies and eighties, so
she certainly has a certain vintage. She's always got a
martini in her hand, of mischief in her eyes. And
when I finished that, just a bit of dialogue, this
one little chapter, I thought, Rosie has got to also
(08:38):
be It was going to be a two parter. Now
this book is a three part and that's what I
love about character. That's what I love about citing books
is find the characters. Find the characters, and then follow
them and plot can follow. But everything is do I
care about these people.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Some people think that mixing crime and comedy it's not
a natural peering. I mean, I think that comedy can
be mixed with absolutely anything, but I think it's really
hard to get the balance right. And you get the
balance right, but that's hard, Yes.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
It really is, and I'm exactly like you as a
lifelong crime fiction fan. There's a few people who could
even do it. Chris Brickman, I can do it, Carl
Arson and the States can do it. But I don't
really like it so much when there are jokes in
crime but takes me out of the story. And so
right from the start of the two Murder clu I thought,
whatever you do, don't make this funny. I just thought, absolutely,
(09:28):
don't do it. But my career has been comedy. That's
the way my brain works, its first port of call.
So the rule I made for myself was the characters
can be funny. The author is not allowed to be funny.
So if there's anything that's making you laugh, it's the characters,
and there are interactions with each other and that the
situations they find themselves in. I hope at no point
(09:49):
you're thinking, oh, that's the author trying to be funny.
That's the author making a joke, because it takes you
out of the story. So set myself that rule early on,
which is anything funny that happens is down to the characters,
and I keep myself out of it.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
That's how I try and make that balance.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
It works. Let's talk about the Netflix adaptation, because it's
quite incredible the group of people that have come on
board to pull us off. You've got Steven Spielberg, You've
got Chris Columbus is writing and directing it. You've got
the most incredible cast. So that what is it like
handing it over? What is it like handing over to
people of this kind of caliber?
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Well, yes, exactly those That question is absolutely right to
be a two parter because obviously, when you have to
hand it over, unless you're going to be in charge
of the whole thing yourself, you have to hold it
at arm's length.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
You have to see, I've done my bit, which is
right the book. I have to let someone else have
some fun now.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
But when you hand it over to people of that caliber,
and Chris Columbus is just the nicest man you'll ever
meet in your entire life. And then Chris says, oh
that Helen Mirren's going to do it, You're like okay,
And then old Sir Ben Kingsley has joined up. See there,
Imri is this per Piers Brosna, isn't there. You just think, well, look,
I know I'm holding this at arm's length, but I
(11:05):
feel like I'm in safe hands. So I've been down
to the set a few times and you know, they
make me very welcome and that's lovely. But seeing that
incredible group of people doing their job is wonderful and
I just I'm honestly, I'm watching from the outside and waiting,
Like all fans of the book, I'm just waiting to
see what they do with it and what the film's like.
But it's some Yeah, you sort of sit there and
(11:26):
Pierce Bosn and it ambles over and starts chatting to you,
and you think, well, this is this is an unusual Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
You've had a lot of involvement in television in the UK,
the media and New Zealanders and all sorts of trouble.
Some companies have made capbex one Nick Mooks has adopted
some entire news division. Who You're talking about the BBC
and its financial woes on your podcast. What is the
situation like in the UK? Is the media struggling?
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Yeah, it's the same.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Really, Well, do you know what It's interesting when we
say the media is struggling, because what we actually mean
is the media as we understand it from where we
were when we grew up, is struggling. So you know,
I grew up in an environment and lots and lots
of your listeners would have grown up environment where you've
got your free to air television and you've got your
regular channels, and you know, everything is scheduled. And that
was our childhood, that was our teenage years, that's our twenties.
(12:15):
So that's what we understand by media that is definitely going.
So all those big older legacy companies and those big
legacy broadcasters, they're in trouble because advertisers have found easier
ways to reach people, and without those advertisers that the
ecosystem doesn't work. So I think media, funnily enough, creativity
and content has probably never been in a better place
(12:36):
because there's lots and lots of ways for people to
enter the industry to create content. But that thing that
is in our heart, which is sitting down with our
family or friends watching something that the rest of our
country is watching at the same time, and then talking
about it the next day, that is something that's going
to disappear and it's tremendously sad for us. It's certainly
(12:57):
tremendously sad for people who work in those legacy industries.
But I think it's inevitable, and I think it does
get replaced with something interesting, and it will get replaced with.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Something There is more work to do.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
But you know, if you worked on the steam trains
just before the electric trains came in, there's not a
huge amount that you can do about it. It's the truth,
other than you know, try and you know, learn how
electric trains work.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Richard just finally Thursday Murder Club characters. It's great to hear.
We'll be back in twenty twenty five. But I suppose
the one issue about writing about people in a retirement
village and of the sucon age is that how long
can they last? So does that sort of tear up
your heartstrings a bit? Because you've created these characters that
(13:43):
people really really love. I mean, they can go on
for ever. But I wonder if it ever crosses your mind.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Yeah, I do think.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Yeah, that's if I made any misstep here, it's to
start a series with protagonists in their late seventies and
early eighties.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
I think that I try and pack.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
An awful lot in So the first four books sort
of take place sort of across a year, really, and
I'll continue to do that. I'm also banking on the
fact that readers and myself can enter into a little
contract with each other, which is we can slow down
the aging process a little bit.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
But you're absolutely right.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
I can't be writing about them in twenty years time,
but there's plenty of life in them yet.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
I will say that.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
But you make a very valid point, and don't think
it's not something that's kept me awake at night before.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Now the biggest names from the Sunday Station Great Chats
with brand Shiska Rudgin on iHeartRadio powered by News Talks.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
It'd be an incredibly likable man. That was Richard Osmond
has book series at The Thursday Murder Club and we
solve murders. As of recording this podcast, a release date
for the Netflix adaptation of The Thursday Murder Club hasn't
been released yet, but hopefully it will be out in
twenty twenty five. The cool thing about my job is
(15:03):
getting to meet fast seating people, and I loved meeting
me and Mottu this year. One of my Guilty Pleasures
is Celebrity Treasure Island, No judgment, thank you. And Mia
was a contestant this year, which was a great excuse
to get her in the studio to talk about reality
TV boxing, dealing with what life throws at you, and
giving back. Here is my interview with me and Mottu.
(15:26):
We started out talking about CTI were you a bit
of a reluctant contestant for Celebrity Treasure Island?
Speaker 5 (15:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Did they have to twist your arm to do it?
Speaker 5 (15:37):
Kind of?
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yes? Yeah, okay, so you were? You were sort of?
I'm not so had you ever seen the season? Have
you ever seen the show?
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (15:44):
Yeah, I watched the last show because of Tudio and Tommy.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yes. Oh good, So you kind of knew what you
were getting into.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
Not really. I just watched little bits of episodes of it,
like snippets, but never.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
Watched the full show.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
So I watched the Games Room as funny as but
I had no idea what was it about to happen?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Oh that is That's brilliant and maybe a good way
to go into it, because it is quite an experience,
isn't it.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 6 (16:16):
It's definitely an experienced definitely challenging, and definitely I thought
reality TV was just like, you know, you only do
it when the TV's on.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
I love it, I love it, But actually you were
expected to do things quite often all the time, you know,
like you're just yeah, they're telling you what you have
to do, and you have to do it.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
And yeah, we're constantly on the go, and it's like
you're never resting.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
It's like the only time you rest is when they're gone.
And as that nighttime, Oh.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
My god, what did you think? So what did you
think it would be like? Did you have any idea
what it would be like?
Speaker 6 (16:50):
I thought it would just be like one game a day, Yeah,
and then we get to chill and have fun and
news a proper toilet in the shower.
Speaker 5 (16:59):
But no, it wasn't like that. And I thought, oh, yeah,
off the screen is.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
We can eat normal food.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
But no, so it was rare.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
So that is really interesting. So what we see is
what we get that you don't get to go and
spend the night in a motel and use a shower
or a toilet. Were you are is where you are
until you leave.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
Yeah, it's definitely you're sleeping on those horrible bunks and
it's freezing cold.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
But you were quite surprised, like people really did struggle
a little bit with the conditions.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
Yeah, it was like adapting to the conditions and like
the new environment was very different and we had to late. Literally,
we're staying with these people twenty four to seven and
we've got no phone.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
No communication.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
We don't even know that the time is because we're
not allowed to know.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
There's some quite strong personalities in this season. I can't
wait for the season. It looks so good. How did
you find that sort of getting to know all these
people and trying to play the game against them.
Speaker 6 (18:03):
Oh, I found it quite amazing, Like I got to
know everyone and on a personal note, but also on
just being on the island, because that's that's what you've got,
is your team, and you're not allowed to communicate with
anyone else. You can't even communicate with the other team.
You can't even communicate with the people behind the scenes.
(18:26):
You're only allowed to communicate with your team. So that
was very challenging, but also at the same time, it
was really nice because I got to know them on
a whole other level and it built like a family vibe.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
Because they were I was left with.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
And you know, there was different definitely different personalities. It
was like there was clashing. But for me, I was
more of a supporter and encouraging and I just wanted
to give everything to go and I wanted to get
to know everybody because it was definitely out of my
comfort zone because I struggled to trust people. So it
(19:02):
gave me a new motivation to be like, Okay, let's
get out of your comfort zone and let's get to
know these people for who they are.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Oh, good on you, Good on you. How'd you find
the physical challenges that they throw at you?
Speaker 7 (19:14):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (19:15):
I love the physical challenges. They were my most funest.
Like I was the one that always wanted to give
everything a go. I was just like I didn't really
care about winning or losing.
Speaker 7 (19:25):
I care.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
All I cared about was giving one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
And that's something that you're going to do on October
the twenty sixth, aren't you. This is so exciting that
you're able to challenge England's Alie Scottney for these titles.
How excited are you?
Speaker 7 (19:41):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (19:41):
I'm so excited.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
I can't wait.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
I'm like itching inside me and I want to burst
and explode, and I'm just it's finally here.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I was laughing once was talking just before we came
on here. When I mentioned it, you just couldn't stand still.
You're just moving the whole time. So what do you do?
Speaker 6 (19:57):
Now?
Speaker 2 (19:57):
How do you go about preparing for a fight like this?
Speaker 6 (20:00):
So I've got to go overseas because there's just there's
no sparring or anything here. For me, it's quite hard
and everyone I just don't have that support here where overseas,
I've got more of a challenge for spirring and it
will definitely benefit me and up build my skills and stuff.
(20:20):
So that's the must challenging. So I was quite stressed
at the start. As soon as I found out that
I was fighting, I was quite stressed and very upset
and emotional because I was just full of joy and pride.
But at the same time, I was like, how am
I going to get there? Because we literally have to
do this all on our own and come from our
(20:42):
own pocket.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
So that was a stressful thing. But I'm lucky.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
I've got a lot of people who I reached out
to and are willing to support and back me. So
I've got sponsors that are willing to sponsor me. But
it ain't easy because you know that's the hardest. But
it is trying to get overseas and trying to get sparring.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
And that's stressful, right, because you just want to focus
on the fight as you do. Right, that's what you
want to focus on, But unfortunately you know you don't
have that. You can't. You've got to be thinking about everything.
Is this your biggest fight yet?
Speaker 5 (21:14):
Yes? This is my biggest fight.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Do want to put the pressure on, but it really is.
I mean, this could be a historic opportunity.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
That's all I've wanted is I've always wanted to unify
and be undisputed, and I want to I want to
be that one that breaks the records.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
So how do you then keep the magnitude of this
opportunity kind of in check? How do you just focus
on the fight.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
I've just got a good I've got a good team. Yeah,
I've got a really amazing coach and a manager who
really just always keeps.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
Me in line and on check.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
And I have great family who just help me with
my children and they just allow me to focus on
my sport. But it's challenging because sometimes I've got to
work and try to juggle it all together.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
But we make it happen and I find ways.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
When you get to England, this is going to be
huge this fight. There's going to be so much publicity
around it. You know, the fights themselves are these huge
events and things. Is that distracting or do you enjoy that?
Do you enjoy walking into that environment?
Speaker 5 (22:25):
I love it. I enjoy walking into that environment.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
Like I'm already prepared and my focus is only the fight,
so you know, I you know, I allow all the
publicity just to come and I know that's part of
being an athlete, So it doesn't bother me as long
as I don't lose focus off the fight.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
And then when you're in the ring, you know, obviously
there's going to be a lot of support there for Ali.
But that doesn't phase you either, does it.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
No, that doesn't phase me because I definitely been an
overseas and already had that. But I just focus on me,
and you know, the people that are foreign criticism, I
just smile away because you know, a dangerous fighter is
happy fighter.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Miya, You've had the most incredible journey to get to
where you are and the success that you've you know
that you've earned. What do you want people to take
from your journey? You know, I know that you've been
a victim of violence, You've you've been homeless, you're you know,
you've got your kids and things. What do you want
people to take from what you've managed to do?
Speaker 6 (23:29):
I want people to know that no matter what walk
or life you come from, you are great. You are amazing,
You are beautiful and have a voice. That's what I
want people to know. And you know, look at me
and be like whatever, I've been through that walk and
it doesn't matter how bad you walk, you can always
get up and how badly are you willing to fight?
(23:52):
So that's it's a determination, and I refuse to say no.
I'll always challenge myself. If someone says I can't, I'll
be like, oh well, I'll prove you wrong.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
And as long as I give it a go, that's greatness.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Because it's really brief thing. So times to say yes
to things, even when life is okay and good. Yeah,
it's really hard to do it when things are a
bit tough, isn't it?
Speaker 6 (24:12):
It is?
Speaker 5 (24:13):
And it's just for me.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
I just want to normalize that it's okay not to
be okay?
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
How have you got to where you are? Who has
helped you get to where you are?
Speaker 6 (24:27):
My big guess help and support has to be my coach,
Isaac Peach and Alena Peach. They're definitely supported me back
to me and they have allowed me to be me.
My coach tells me all the time, you change for nobody,
you be you, and I've always held that and I'll
always remain me.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
What do you love about boxing?
Speaker 6 (24:51):
What I love about boxing is that it's very challenging,
but also it's taught me how to walk life. You know,
It's built confidence, it's helped me with my mental health,
and the biggest thing is it's really opened the door
for what.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
I I rarely want to chase.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
And that's funny for our next generation, allowing our kids
to have a voice and they're normalizing that it's okay
not to be okay for our kids, you know, giving
that opportunity for our kids to be who they are.
We're always trying to put these expectations on our children
when really we're not actually listening to them and allowing
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them to be what they want to be and who
they want to be. Allow them to be their identity
and be true to who they are and support them
in that.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
It's we get so fixated and what.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
We want for them instead of what they want for themselves.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
And that's my biggest congregation.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yeah. Absolutely, And what about just boxing in general? Is
it is it growing as women's boxing growing in New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
It's slowly growing in New Zealand.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
Woman's boxing not as quick as what I thought it
would be, but it is slowly growing. But overseas it's
a lot more bigger boxing, you know. So it's a
lot bigger overseas, but I'd love it to grow here.
You I don't even want women to be fighters. I
just want them to have self love in self care
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where boxing, and that's what boxing gives. It's a it's
a safe place to lash your anchor and cut of control.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
It bringing you the best interviews from the Sunday session.
Great chats with Francesca Rudkin on iHeartRadio powered by News
Talks at be Me and Wotwo.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
There so inspiring and you can hear that passion, can't
you When she talks about boxing. You should have seen
her face light up when we started talking about boxing
and she just couldn't sit still. Things did not go
according to plan for me this year, though, but watch
the space. I still believe the best is yet to
come when it comes to her boxing career. My last
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guest on the podcast today is the delightfully naughty Miriam Maugles,
known for her many characters on the screen, most famously
Professors Sprout in the Harry Potter movie, and many of
you will have witnessed her honest and quite outrageous interviews
on talk shows. She toured New Zealand early in twenty
twenty four and we had a chat about all sorts
(27:17):
of things, including bad Jelly, the witch of all things.
Here is my interview with Miriam maglees. Where are you
in the country at the moment? Here in New Zealand at.
Speaker 7 (27:30):
The moment, I'm in a hotel in Elleslie, which I'm
enjoying very much, and I'm with my cousin Carol, and
I'm very fond of her, and really that's why I
came this week. But I also have managed to do
some work that's exciting because I'm a voice actress as
(27:50):
well as a proper actress and I've been doing the
voice of Bad Jelly, which is a very important and
much loved children's series.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Very exciting. I mean, I think we all. I still
have my copy of Bad Jelly that I had as
a child. Such a loved story, isn't it.
Speaker 7 (28:10):
Well, I didn't know anything about it until I was
asked to do it, because I think it's something that
maybe New Zealand as and Australians know, but I didn't
know when I was little. But then I grew up
on Enid Blyton and that sort of thing in nineteen
forty one, in the early forties. But it's delightful and
it's it's kind of good. You know, it's worthy. It's
(28:33):
not it's not defiling or corrupting. There is a sweetness
and an energy, and she's not everybody's cup of tea
bag Jelly. She's quite naughty, of course, and I like that.
I respond to that.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
When I heard you were playing the part, I did
think that you had been perfectly cast.
Speaker 7 (28:58):
Well I think so too. As it happens.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Let's talk about your live show. Of course, you're coming
back in March for Miriam Live. Tell me about the show.
Of course, it's based off the book as well in
the memoir.
Speaker 7 (29:12):
Yes, it is a book tour, I suppose, and I
will just come on stage. I will be interviewed by
somebody clever, and then it's thrown open to the audience
and they can ask me any questions they like about
anything at all, even you might say, inappropriate subjects, and
I shall tell them the truth. I'll tell them the
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extent of my activities, both upright and lying down.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Telling the truth is and being honest and being genuine
is something that you're well known for. It's something that
we appreciate so much. Do we do it enough?
Speaker 7 (29:50):
Now? Of course we don't do it enough. And it's
appalling that I should be one of very few people
who seem to do it. Everybody used to do it.
When I was little, it was very important. My parents said,
you must never lie. You can't do business with people
who lie. And yet all the major politicians of the
world lives in their bottoms. It's absolutely shocking. So if
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I can reverse the trend of liars, I would have
done a very good deed.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Is it important to be authentic for you personally? But
it's just as you say, it's who you are, where
you come from.
Speaker 7 (30:28):
I think it's important, but I don't think I cannot
be authentic. I don't know how to be anything else
than I am, and I don't see the point. I
want people to know what I'm really like, who I
really am, just as I want to know about you
(30:50):
and your listeners, what are they like, what do they
want out of the world. It's a natural thing to
be oneself, and I'm glad I'm confident enough in myself
to be myself. I mean, some people, perhaps they lack confidence,
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and I want to be able to give people confidence.
But I keep being asked to be an agony aunt
now and kind of advise people. And I'm not qualified
to advise anybody about anything, but I think I can say,
believe in yourself and share it.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
But you've lived such a life, Mariam, haven't. You were
so many experts. I can totally understand why somebody sees
take some of that knowledge, take that wisdom, take that experience,
and being agny at.
Speaker 7 (31:40):
It's quite flattering because when I was much younger, people
used to say, as the title of my book, oh Mary,
as if I was, you know, shocking and behaving badly,
which I still do, of course, And I have to
admit that. But I've never hurt anybody. I've never killed anybody.
(32:00):
I've never damaged anybody. I don't want to make people
feel small. I want to build the well.
Speaker 6 (32:06):
Oh.
Speaker 7 (32:06):
I want them to be happy, because happiness is rare
and valuable and we should try to increase the sum
of it in the world. But most people, not most
people that you know, most politicians, and what I'm saying,
most politicians don't make life better for us. They make
(32:29):
it worse, and that I can't accept. So I do
speak out about politicians.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Because you're often described as a bit naughty and that
word shocking. But what strikes me is, as you just
mentioned there is it's harmless shock. You're not a shock
shock going for a cheap joke at the expense of
other people, or hamming other people or offending. It's always
comes from you know. The shock is often you sharing
(33:00):
your story. Honestly, it's you know, the joke is on
you as oppose on other people. And that's that's become
sort of a fine line that we're not quite so
good at nailing these days.
Speaker 7 (33:12):
I believe what you say is true, and I hope
so because that's what I want. I don't want to
expose other people. I want to expose myself, and some
people would rather I didn't. I can understand that.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Too, and you certainly have at times.
Speaker 7 (33:29):
Yes, but breasts are okay. What's wrong with breasts? I
don't think they're offensive. And in fact, one of the
things I've been asked to do is to write an
extra chapter for Oh Miriam for the paperback version of
is coming out in July, because I've just been fitted
for a bra and I've never been fitted for a
(33:52):
bra before. I used to just you know, pick one
off the shelf, so to speak. But there's a there's
a shop in London called Rigby and Pella, which is
where the Late Queen used to buy her bras, and
we're very large ladies or ladies who've had a mostectomy
or some breast operation go to be fitted and sorted.
(34:17):
And I've always had breasts that were just too much
to deal with and I hope them into whatever bra
I could get older. But I've been to a place
that really takes trouble over your bra and it's a
completely different experience.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
And has it been life changing having a welfated bra?
Speaker 7 (34:39):
I think it's been breast changing, but I don't that
life changing. I shall have to see.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I love the fact that I think I'm right eighty
two years of age. You're still having new experiences.
Speaker 7 (34:54):
Well, yes, of course, and I think it's important to
have new experiences. They're not always terrific ones. I mean,
I'm developing arthritis. Never had that before, so that's thing
I'm learning about. But suddenly your body doesn't do what
you used to be able to do with it, and
I don't like that bit of it. But growing old
(35:17):
is a process, so let's see what happens. And I'm
going to keep being massaged all the time I want.
I'm going to every town I go in on my tour,
I'm going to get a good massage.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
So the body is sort of throng a few yeah,
sort of speed bumps into the works. But you seem
to be still so incredibly busy with work. Obviously you
like being busy.
Speaker 7 (35:45):
Oh, I do like being busy. It's a privilege. I
just wish that my success. I'm so late in life.
I could have done with it a bit earlier, but
never mind, it's come now, and I'm saving the money
for cares because I will need careers, and I don't
really want to go into a home, but there are
a couple of homes that I've checked out and me
(36:08):
and my partner will go there. I want to be
with her as much as possible. I've been very lucky
because I found when I was about twenty seven, I
found somebody I wanted to spend my life and we
have fifty four years. And that's pretty special because, as
I always say, life is sweeter shared.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Absolutely, you spend quite a lot of time in Australia
as well, don't you.
Speaker 7 (36:34):
I do. I am an Australian. I became an Australian.
I should have become a New Zealander, but I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
It's okay, that's okay. We would love to have had
to you. But you do spend a bit of time
there as well. Will that continue?
Speaker 7 (36:51):
Oh yes, I hope so, because it's it's a big
and interesting country. And I have a very good house
there which I share with my partner and her sister actually,
and we love it. I love it's the Southern Highlands,
and that was because of Babe, because that was the
first place I went to work and make a film,
(37:15):
and I really enjoyed that. It's beautiful. But my word,
A New Zealand is much more beautiful than Australia, There's
no question about that. A variety of it is amazing.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
You're too kind, just going back to doing things. For
the first time, I saw last year that you graced
the cover of a Vogue magazine. Was that the first
time that it happened?
Speaker 7 (37:39):
Well, of course it was, and that it was Gay Pride,
and I'm you know, I'm a well known lesbian. I
suppose I can say that without without upsetting people. And
they wanted to put a well known lesbian on the cover,
so they had me. I never expected to be on
(38:00):
the cover of Vote. But you know what, that photographer,
Tim Walker, he's brilliant. He made me look pretty good,
I thought. And I'm not a pretty face. I'm not pretty,
and I've got a body like an old sack. But
you know what, he made me look pretty sprauncy, and
(38:20):
I was thrilled. And it sold out that version of it,
that that episode. It's not a television come, it's a magazine.
That that issue sold out, So I'm pretty chucking myself
about that.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
I hope the hope they have you back. Also, just
going back to this naughtiness, where did that come from?
I believe it sort of came from your mother.
Speaker 7 (38:49):
Well, it didn't come from Daddy, because he was a
very you know, rather a tight lip, a rather shy
man actually from Scotland, the sweet man. But mummy was. Yeah,
I think mummy was a bit naughty, but not in
a way that would cause comment in the way that
(39:10):
my naughtonus causes comment. She wasn't sexually naughty, and she
didn't swear, but she had a twinkle and she was outspoken,
and I think I developed that a bit. I've always
been naughty at school. I was naughty, and I liked
being naughty. I liked putting out my hand and saying, please,
(39:31):
miss Kay, what a testicle? Laughing Naughtally, I've just enjoyed
it because I could see that if you said the
word testicles, people look shopped. And I enjoyed that. Mind you,
I don't say testicles very much anymore.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Well, I'm delighted that we've got both breasts and testicles
in the interview today. If your mother could see you now,
I read a few comments that you'd made that she
might be a little displeased about some of the things
that you say or do. What would she think of
Miriam today?
Speaker 7 (40:07):
She would love me whatever, because that was the kind
of mum. She was all encompassing, all embracing, totally supporting.
But she would make her feelings known that I was
not behaving like a lady, and she always wanted to
be to behave like a lady, and I never have.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
There's quite a difference between saying to somebody I love
you and saying I love you no matter what. Isn't there.
Speaker 7 (40:36):
Mummy would say I love you no matter what, but
try to take a pride in your appearance, and don't swear,
and don't fart, and lift your head up and put
your shoulders back. She was always trying to improve me,
and I loved her and I still love her the best.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
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on iHeartRadio powered by News Talks, it'd be.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
That was Miriam my lease, inspiring us all to be
a little bit more honest in our lives, maybe a
little naughty and not let age stop you doing what
you want to do. Hey, thank you for joining me
on this Newstalk's IP podcast. Feel free to share these chats.
If you like this podcast, make sure you follow us
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(41:25):
we're releasing two new EPs a week Mondays and Fridays
throughout summer. I'll catch you next time on Great Chats.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
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