The clear consensus among experts shows Darleen Tana is hanging on for their political life.
The former Green MP has filed an unprecedented injunction trying to prevent their former party convening a Special General Meeting this weekend.
ZB political editor Jason Walls says the Greens clearly didn't see this coming - but they're not too worried.
"They're clearly waiting to see what happens tomorrow... we all knew legal action was coming, but I was thinking the legal action would be around the actual legislation to do with the waka-jumping."
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Darling, Tana is fighting for her political life at the moment.
The former Green MP has filed an injunction trying to
stop her former party, the Greens, from convening a special
general meeting this weekend. Now, this meeting was where delegates
were supposed to decide whether to invoke the Wacker jumping
law against Darlene Tanner. Jason Walls as News Talk zb's
political letter to Jason.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Hellow Afternoon Heather, the Greens.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Made it sound like they were surprised, but they must
have seen this coming from that letter just a few
weeks back.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
You know, honestly, I don't think that they did. I mean,
it's a pretty unprecedented move. I mean it's the sort
of move that somebody with their back against the wall makes,
just really fighting for their political life. Looking at this
really holistically, it's a really hard legal stretch to make.
Do you're basically saying that you're putting an injunction on
a asking the courts to prevent a political party from meeting. Now,
(00:46):
we don't know the details of what's happening, but I
actually we talked to Chloe Swarbeck. I will give her
that she didn't seem too worried about this. I mean,
her lawyer is working for free, and here's why our
lawyer is operating on a pro bono basis. I haven't
got into the details of the motivations behind that. I'm
assuming that this is a pretty interesting case. So if
your lawyer's working because it's an interesting case, it doesn't
(01:08):
exactly scream like you're really worried about what's happening. But
I would say yes, I would say that they probably
didn't see this aspect of this coming. But I don't
think that they're particularly worried.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Well they should have. I mean, it was obvious to
everybody that there was legal action coming after that letter
in the way it was set out. So surprise by
that is the meeting at the weekend still honor If
they canceled it.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Well, it's at this stage. It's a bit of Schrodinger's
meeting because it's not on or off. At this stage.
They're just waiting to see what happens. I mean, they
haven't canceled it or they haven't postponed it. They're just
simply waiting to see what happens tomorrow. And just back
on your point there, I mean, listen, we all knew
that more legal action was coming, but I was thinking
the legal action would be around the actual legislation to
(01:49):
do with the walker jumping and how that actually physically
worked in terms of an employee or somebody in a
political party, and how that worked. Because we haven't tested
this rule yet. I think everybody was pretty surprised that
the next step on this on Tana's radar was essentially
asking the courts to prevent members from meeting. I think
that is quite unprecedented.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah, now who's paying? I mean, if the Greens are
getting their legal representation for free, who's paying Darleene's bills.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Well, we haven't been able to get in contact with
darleyn Tana yet. I have texted her, so Darleene, if
you're listening, please text me back so I can get
some information. But essentially we don't know. We would assume
that she has access to her the fund in Parliament
to pay for this. I asked her directly before when
she sent the letter to the Green Party fighting for
her case against the walker jumping bill. She said that
(02:36):
had been paid for using the parliamentary fund. You can
make the logical assumption that it's the same thing. I mean,
she could have somebody that's also quite interested in this
doing it pro bono as well, So we just don't
know at this stage. But I'd say I don't think
it would be with outside the realms of possibility that
it's us picking up the tab here as tax pays.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
And have they indicated how long they think this is
going to take?
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Decision will be coming out tomorrow afternoon, as I understand it.
It's just for the for a judge to just look
at the facts and make a decision, so we should
know around about ten, I would say tomorrow. I'm not
sure if they would drag on. But this isn't going
to be the end of this saga. I mean, if
the injunction fails, which you know you're looking at the
balance of probability, it looks like it may. She still
(03:20):
will probably fight in courts the actual the meat and
bones of the legislation, which hasn't been tested yet, and
so you would expect that it's an interesting legal argument
for anyone to get into.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
No, totally, thank you very much. Jason really appreciated Jesson
Will's news talks, DB's political editor. For more from Hither Duplessy,
Alan Drive listen live to news talks it'd be from
four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
Darling, Tana is fighting for her political life at the moment.
The former Green MP has filed an injunction trying to
stop her former party, the Greens, from convening a special
general meeting this weekend. Now, this meeting was where delegates
were supposed to decide whether to invoke the Wacker jumping
law against Darlene Tanner. Jason Walls as News Talk zb's
political letter to Jason.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Hellow Afternoon Heather, the Greens.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Made it sound like they were surprised, but they must
have seen this coming from that letter just a few
weeks back.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
You know, honestly, I don't think that they did. I mean,
it's a pretty unprecedented move. I mean it's the sort
of move that somebody with their back against the wall makes,
just really fighting for their political life. Looking at this
really holistically, it's a really hard legal stretch to make.
Do you're basically saying that you're putting an injunction on
a asking the courts to prevent a political party from meeting. Now,
(00:46):
we don't know the details of what's happening, but I
actually we talked to Chloe Swarbeck. I will give her
that she didn't seem too worried about this. I mean,
her lawyer is working for free, and here's why our
lawyer is operating on a pro bono basis. I haven't
got into the details of the motivations behind that. I'm
assuming that this is a pretty interesting case. So if
your lawyer's working because it's an interesting case, it doesn't
(01:08):
exactly scream like you're really worried about what's happening. But
I would say yes, I would say that they probably
didn't see this aspect of this coming. But I don't
think that they're particularly worried.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Well they should have. I mean, it was obvious to
everybody that there was legal action coming after that letter
in the way it was set out. So surprise by
that is the meeting at the weekend still honor If
they canceled it.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Well, it's at this stage. It's a bit of Schrodinger's
meeting because it's not on or off. At this stage.
They're just waiting to see what happens. I mean, they
haven't canceled it or they haven't postponed it. They're just
simply waiting to see what happens tomorrow. And just back
on your point there, I mean, listen, we all knew
that more legal action was coming, but I was thinking
the legal action would be around the actual legislation to
(01:49):
do with the walker jumping and how that actually physically
worked in terms of an employee or somebody in a
political party, and how that worked. Because we haven't tested
this rule yet. I think everybody was pretty surprised that
the next step on this on Tana's radar was essentially
asking the courts to prevent members from meeting. I think
that is quite unprecedented.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah, now who's paying? I mean, if the Greens are
getting their legal representation for free, who's paying Darleene's bills.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Well, we haven't been able to get in contact with
darleyn Tana yet. I have texted her, so Darleene, if
you're listening, please text me back so I can get
some information. But essentially we don't know. We would assume
that she has access to her the fund in Parliament
to pay for this. I asked her directly before when
she sent the letter to the Green Party fighting for
her case against the walker jumping bill. She said that
(02:36):
had been paid for using the parliamentary fund. You can
make the logical assumption that it's the same thing. I mean,
she could have somebody that's also quite interested in this
doing it pro bono as well, So we just don't
know at this stage. But I'd say I don't think
it would be with outside the realms of possibility that
it's us picking up the tab here as tax pays.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
And have they indicated how long they think this is
going to take?
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Decision will be coming out tomorrow afternoon, as I understand it.
It's just for the for a judge to just look
at the facts and make a decision, so we should
know around about ten, I would say tomorrow. I'm not
sure if they would drag on. But this isn't going
to be the end of this saga. I mean, if
the injunction fails, which you know you're looking at the
balance of probability, it looks like it may. She still
(03:20):
will probably fight in courts the actual the meat and
bones of the legislation, which hasn't been tested yet, and
so you would expect that it's an interesting legal argument
for anyone to get into.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
No, totally, thank you very much. Jason really appreciated Jesson
Will's news talks, DB's political editor. For more from Hither Duplessy,
Alan Drive listen live to news talks it'd be from
four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
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