John MacDonald was joined today by Mayor Phil Mauger.
They discussed the potential for Christchurch to be home to the delayed Erebus Disaster memorial – is Christchurch an appropriate home?
The central city has been overrun by birds and their droppings, does the Council have a plan to deal with the mess? And what measures will the council take regarding the new build’s in the city’s east, given the recent findings that houses may sink in some areas?
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Canterbury Morning's Podcast with John McDonald
from News Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
ZB christ Wich. Medfield Major is in for our regular
catch up morning football morning. Body all, we will talk
pigeons shortly, but first of all, Erabus, the Arabus memorial.
We talked about this on the show the other day
and it amazes me that Auckland can't get it zack
together and hasn't been able to get it zack together
since nineteen seventy one to get a memorial up and running.
(00:32):
Why is it that you think it should come should
be built in christ Church?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Ah, well, I just thought we put our hand up
with the Ministry of Culture and Heritage and said we've
heard you've got a bit of a problem. We might
be able to help. Now you've got to remember that
that plane I can vaguely remember it was flying back
to christ each yes, and everyone in South Aland put
their lights on, and you know, I think it's it
would be good if it was in christ Church. We're
(00:57):
not trying to pass Auckland off, you know, We're just
throwing it out there. And also the Ministry of Culture
and Heritage they've got to decide. But also working with
the families. It's very important because I.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Think two to one the families would prefer it was
an Auckland.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
It's up to them. It's up to them. You've got
to remember that the from what I'm told, the wife
of the pilot and I can't remember his name, as
eighty nine this.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Year from captain was in Collins. I can't remember it
was Collins anyway.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yeah, and it would be nice to have that, have
that done. And because it went down to Antarctica and
we've got where the gateway to Antarctic and by the
Antarctic center, it might have some relevance, but we've just
we've just off All we've done is off it.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I gather what's been reported anyway that there's options of
the porthills, the center of town will buy the airport
as potential locations. What would be your preference.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
They'll decide. But I would tend to the south, would
tend to lean towards the airport because by the Antarctic
come deep freezer because it came back from Antarctica.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Right, so you've put the welcome mat out. You're not
lobbying for it.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
No, it's not for us to decide. It's a ministry
and the families these pigeons.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
It seems that organizations and companies around the town have
been spending truckloads of money cleaning up after these these
pigeons in christ Church. What can the council do about it?
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Not a hell of a lot. We've got issues with
Canada geese, which when you talk to Vanessa Tomorrow or
heard you're saying her name, there is some talk that
she's pushing to get Canada geese made a pest. I
don't know if we can push it that far for pigeons,
because pigeons for Africa, when things become a pest, there's
a different way of dealing with them. So we're aware
(02:37):
of the problem. There is a lot of money being
spent cleaning it up, and it's they seem to get worse.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
It seems to be the case. I mean, some people
would say in the center of town particularly, it's the seagulls,
certainly on Armor Street that are causing problems. The owner
of the Castle Public, a pub, would say there's more
problem with seagulls than pigeons.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I don't know where it was. I saw the picture
in the paper on the roof, was that the castle.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
That was town hall was yeah, that was Townhall. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
And then what it does, it's a said the droppings
or aldicate, buggers of iron and all sorts of things.
That's not good.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
So you're saying you can't do anything. I mean, what's
your what's your personal feeling in terms of making pigeons
a pest.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
That's why I'm talking to Vanessa, especially about Canada geese,
because Canada geese. So I found out the other day
one kilogram of poop every day out of a Canada goose.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
So no wonder we have, so we'll learn so much
from it.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
I'm just a wealth of information job.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
So any chance of the council somehow getting involved in
the lobbying to make pigeons to clear the pest, and
then you could shoot the buggers.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
You've got to be careful doing that because then you'll
have the pigeon loving department out there saying this is
not good. But they are in nuisances.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Who loves pigeons.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I'm sure there are some people out there love the
Homing Pigeon Society for.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah, so where do we get to. Is the council
going to look into it?
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yeah, we'll look into it. Well, we'll work with anyone
to see what we can do to make it better,
because it is as a bloody nuisance if you.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Ask, and part of Christ it is. You're very familiar
with the eastern co of Christ. And this report came
up from Genus Science and university researchers yesday, showing that
the s christ Church coast is sinking faster than other
coastal areas and the other major coastal cities. Yes, in
New Zealand, Yes, why is your council still issuing building
consents and building permits out there?
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Well, we know that it's sinking. I'll answer that first
question a minute. We know that it's sinking. Jesse, the
co author the very first report, did a fantastic job,
did a good job, and we used all that information
for our deciding for our coastal hazards with Littleton and
Port Levy. He's now working on the second has done
(04:44):
the second report, which we'll release out there. We have
always already used the vertical land shift and the sea
level rise together to do our coastal hazard thing. The
new report supersedes the previous one, but it focuses on Canterbury,
not so much the South Island and he's he's had
input into that, so we'll find that out there. And
the good thing about it is it's got nine years
(05:05):
of data rather than three. But to answer your question,
that's that's a good point we do have to do.
There's nothing to stop people building there now because of
a thing called Plan Change twelve. We've just been playing
with Plan Change fourteen for far too long. We've got
thirteen that's coming to us, which is about heritage stuff
sometime next month, and then Plan Change twelve is where
(05:26):
you are allowed to build, like if it's flooded or whatever.
You can even it's funny you go down even likes
of Smith Street, you'll see some new houses there that
are built at least a meter one points above the
ground because that's deemed to be the new.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Floodline, and some were saying two point four. We also
had some people bring up yesterday saying that actually the
flood risk is worse in other parts than New Brighton.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
I couldn't agree with you more. It's lower back in
the sort of in the back of the estuary than
it is on the seafront.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
So what's the girls were going to do about it?
Speaker 3 (05:58):
We have to work on that plane change twelve.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
In the meantime, even in the areas which are lower
than the we're this study talk.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
You have to mitigate it. Now. I had some people
from Netherlands and the other day and I said, you know,
you guys work under underwater and he said yes, our
airport is six meters below sea level. Now, not saying
we need it can be done overseas. You can mitigate
against sea level rise and stuff like that, but there
is a point where you say you shouldn't. You shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Did they? But did the council not learn anything from Bexley?
For example, in terms of after the quakes, it was
Bexley wasn't where everyone was saying all the damage was
caused and people were saying, how was it people were
learned to build in that area Bexley.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Bexley sunk about a meter in some place, even bit
more in some places, and places that were getting a
little bit where maybe once or twice a year like
Bexley Road and stuff like that, that was coppying it
all the time. So that's why the government we've almost
had managed retreat. It was me one hundred and fifty
meters away from the river, and that sort of put
us ahead of the eight ball for a bit. So
(07:05):
a lot of that I shouldn't say we're dodgy ground.
A lot of that ground that's now underwater is not
allowed to be built on at all. So we've got
ahead of the april there.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
But you haven't learned in relation to not acting quicker
on the east side.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
It's funny the little bit I know about do it
at the beach. All the sand there is like rice
bubble cake. When there's an earthquake, there's no liquifaction at
the beach area. You move back into towards marshlands or parklands.
That's where liquorfaction started to happen in different parts of
town because the water comes up and down different so
(07:41):
different parts of town for different things.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
All right. That's one final thing. The Rolling Meadows Music
festivals coming out later in the year and the big
burn off at six Mills been going on to prepare
the site for so I believe for the festival. I
was contacted by someone who wanted me to ask you
about the event planned to take place over New Years
at the site which has been cleared. Yes, it says
(08:06):
it's a rumoored to be a three D event with
permits to run until five am each morning. Is that true?
Speaker 3 (08:13):
First of all, I'll talk about the smoke. Bloody unfortunate.
They've obviously asked for a permit to do a burn off,
and normally the little bit I know about when I
used to do burnoffs and things, you have to do
it on that day. Now, the easterly which blows all
the time, was very very light and it just wafted
across and it wasn't good. I feel sorry for all
(08:33):
the people. And then on top of that we had
the two dollars shop warehouse gout and smoke that didn't
help at all. I'm not sure about the five o'clock
in the morning one. I have heard that.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
We sent this to you yesterday.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Yeah, yeah, I've seen. I've asked my guys to find
out about the five o'clock in the morning thing. One
thing that was mentioned that it was very close to
Pressed and Subdivision. It's not that close. It's surrounded by
forest which will soak up a fair bit to the noise.
It's three quarters away out to Spence Park on the
right hand side. I'm sorry about the smoke.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
It's privately on the smokes that I think the smoke
I won't call it a red hearing. But the focus
here is we've got concern of some people saying that
the council has issued a permit for this event to
operate three nights until five in the morning. And we
know how sound travels. You haven't come back with an
explanation or confirmation that is the case, but let's say
it is. How would you feel about that?
Speaker 3 (09:28):
I think if well, there will be some people that
will complain about noise. I'm sure they will. We want
to make christ Church, as you know, I want to
make christ Church a sporting the events capital of the
year of the country. And if the thing's like I'll say,
I don't know what this Rolling Meadows Festival, it'll befff
duff say it's like say, it's like Rhythm and Vines,
(09:49):
which my kids all went to and thought it was markless.
It's just another thing that we can have to make
christ Church vibrant. But having said that, it depends how
boom boom boom it is in the media.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I'm getting the I'm getting the vibe from you, but
using the kids language, I'm getting the vibe that you
don't like the idea of a permit until five in
the morning.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Oh no, no, no. If I'm sure I've asked about
the five o'clock permit, I haven't heard back about it yet.
I'd be surprised at that Earlian morning. But once I
find out, I'll let you know.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Brilliant. Thank you, Phil Major.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Good on your man.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
We'll see you in two weeks time, Christ's film Major.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
For more from Category Mornings with John McDonald, listen live
to news talks It'd be christ Church from nine am weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Canterbury Morning's Podcast with John McDonald
from News Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
ZB christ Wich. Medfield Major is in for our regular
catch up morning football morning. Body all, we will talk
pigeons shortly, but first of all, Erabus, the Arabus memorial.
We talked about this on the show the other day
and it amazes me that Auckland can't get it zack
together and hasn't been able to get it zack together
since nineteen seventy one to get a memorial up and running.
(00:32):
Why is it that you think it should come should
be built in christ Church?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Ah, well, I just thought we put our hand up
with the Ministry of Culture and Heritage and said we've
heard you've got a bit of a problem. We might
be able to help. Now you've got to remember that
that plane I can vaguely remember it was flying back
to christ each yes, and everyone in South Aland put
their lights on, and you know, I think it's it
would be good if it was in christ Church. We're
(00:57):
not trying to pass Auckland off, you know, We're just
throwing it out there. And also the Ministry of Culture
and Heritage they've got to decide. But also working with
the families. It's very important because I.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Think two to one the families would prefer it was
an Auckland.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
It's up to them. It's up to them. You've got
to remember that the from what I'm told, the wife
of the pilot and I can't remember his name, as
eighty nine this.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Year from captain was in Collins. I can't remember it
was Collins anyway.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yeah, and it would be nice to have that, have
that done. And because it went down to Antarctica and
we've got where the gateway to Antarctic and by the
Antarctic center, it might have some relevance, but we've just
we've just off All we've done is off it.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I gather what's been reported anyway that there's options of
the porthills, the center of town will buy the airport
as potential locations. What would be your preference.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
They'll decide. But I would tend to the south, would
tend to lean towards the airport because by the Antarctic
come deep freezer because it came back from Antarctica.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Right, so you've put the welcome mat out. You're not
lobbying for it.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
No, it's not for us to decide. It's a ministry
and the families these pigeons.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
It seems that organizations and companies around the town have
been spending truckloads of money cleaning up after these these
pigeons in christ Church. What can the council do about it?
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Not a hell of a lot. We've got issues with
Canada geese, which when you talk to Vanessa Tomorrow or
heard you're saying her name, there is some talk that
she's pushing to get Canada geese made a pest. I
don't know if we can push it that far for pigeons,
because pigeons for Africa, when things become a pest, there's
a different way of dealing with them. So we're aware
(02:37):
of the problem. There is a lot of money being
spent cleaning it up, and it's they seem to get worse.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
It seems to be the case. I mean, some people
would say in the center of town particularly, it's the seagulls,
certainly on Armor Street that are causing problems. The owner
of the Castle Public, a pub, would say there's more
problem with seagulls than pigeons.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I don't know where it was. I saw the picture
in the paper on the roof, was that the castle.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
That was town hall was yeah, that was Townhall. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
And then what it does, it's a said the droppings
or aldicate, buggers of iron and all sorts of things.
That's not good.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
So you're saying you can't do anything. I mean, what's
your what's your personal feeling in terms of making pigeons
a pest.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
That's why I'm talking to Vanessa, especially about Canada geese,
because Canada geese. So I found out the other day
one kilogram of poop every day out of a Canada goose.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
So no wonder we have, so we'll learn so much
from it.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
I'm just a wealth of information job.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
So any chance of the council somehow getting involved in
the lobbying to make pigeons to clear the pest, and
then you could shoot the buggers.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
You've got to be careful doing that because then you'll
have the pigeon loving department out there saying this is
not good. But they are in nuisances.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Who loves pigeons.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I'm sure there are some people out there love the
Homing Pigeon Society for.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah, so where do we get to. Is the council
going to look into it?
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yeah, we'll look into it. Well, we'll work with anyone
to see what we can do to make it better,
because it is as a bloody nuisance if you.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Ask, and part of Christ it is. You're very familiar
with the eastern co of Christ. And this report came
up from Genus Science and university researchers yesday, showing that
the s christ Church coast is sinking faster than other
coastal areas and the other major coastal cities. Yes, in
New Zealand, Yes, why is your council still issuing building
consents and building permits out there?
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Well, we know that it's sinking. I'll answer that first
question a minute. We know that it's sinking. Jesse, the
co author the very first report, did a fantastic job,
did a good job, and we used all that information
for our deciding for our coastal hazards with Littleton and
Port Levy. He's now working on the second has done
(04:44):
the second report, which we'll release out there. We have
always already used the vertical land shift and the sea
level rise together to do our coastal hazard thing. The
new report supersedes the previous one, but it focuses on Canterbury,
not so much the South Island and he's he's had
input into that, so we'll find that out there. And
the good thing about it is it's got nine years
(05:05):
of data rather than three. But to answer your question,
that's that's a good point we do have to do.
There's nothing to stop people building there now because of
a thing called Plan Change twelve. We've just been playing
with Plan Change fourteen for far too long. We've got
thirteen that's coming to us, which is about heritage stuff
sometime next month, and then Plan Change twelve is where
(05:26):
you are allowed to build, like if it's flooded or whatever.
You can even it's funny you go down even likes
of Smith Street, you'll see some new houses there that
are built at least a meter one points above the
ground because that's deemed to be the new.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Floodline, and some were saying two point four. We also
had some people bring up yesterday saying that actually the
flood risk is worse in other parts than New Brighton.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
I couldn't agree with you more. It's lower back in
the sort of in the back of the estuary than
it is on the seafront.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
So what's the girls were going to do about it?
Speaker 3 (05:58):
We have to work on that plane change twelve.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
In the meantime, even in the areas which are lower
than the we're this study talk.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
You have to mitigate it. Now. I had some people
from Netherlands and the other day and I said, you know,
you guys work under underwater and he said yes, our
airport is six meters below sea level. Now, not saying
we need it can be done overseas. You can mitigate
against sea level rise and stuff like that, but there
is a point where you say you shouldn't. You shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Did they? But did the council not learn anything from Bexley?
For example, in terms of after the quakes, it was
Bexley wasn't where everyone was saying all the damage was
caused and people were saying, how was it people were
learned to build in that area Bexley.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Bexley sunk about a meter in some place, even bit
more in some places, and places that were getting a
little bit where maybe once or twice a year like
Bexley Road and stuff like that, that was coppying it
all the time. So that's why the government we've almost
had managed retreat. It was me one hundred and fifty
meters away from the river, and that sort of put
us ahead of the eight ball for a bit. So
(07:05):
a lot of that I shouldn't say we're dodgy ground.
A lot of that ground that's now underwater is not
allowed to be built on at all. So we've got
ahead of the april there.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
But you haven't learned in relation to not acting quicker
on the east side.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
It's funny the little bit I know about do it
at the beach. All the sand there is like rice
bubble cake. When there's an earthquake, there's no liquifaction at
the beach area. You move back into towards marshlands or parklands.
That's where liquorfaction started to happen in different parts of
town because the water comes up and down different so
(07:41):
different parts of town for different things.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
All right. That's one final thing. The Rolling Meadows Music
festivals coming out later in the year and the big
burn off at six Mills been going on to prepare
the site for so I believe for the festival. I
was contacted by someone who wanted me to ask you
about the event planned to take place over New Years
at the site which has been cleared. Yes, it says
(08:06):
it's a rumoored to be a three D event with
permits to run until five am each morning. Is that true?
Speaker 3 (08:13):
First of all, I'll talk about the smoke. Bloody unfortunate.
They've obviously asked for a permit to do a burn off,
and normally the little bit I know about when I
used to do burnoffs and things, you have to do
it on that day. Now, the easterly which blows all
the time, was very very light and it just wafted
across and it wasn't good. I feel sorry for all
(08:33):
the people. And then on top of that we had
the two dollars shop warehouse gout and smoke that didn't
help at all. I'm not sure about the five o'clock
in the morning one. I have heard that.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
We sent this to you yesterday.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Yeah, yeah, I've seen. I've asked my guys to find
out about the five o'clock in the morning thing. One
thing that was mentioned that it was very close to
Pressed and Subdivision. It's not that close. It's surrounded by
forest which will soak up a fair bit to the noise.
It's three quarters away out to Spence Park on the
right hand side. I'm sorry about the smoke.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
It's privately on the smokes that I think the smoke
I won't call it a red hearing. But the focus
here is we've got concern of some people saying that
the council has issued a permit for this event to
operate three nights until five in the morning. And we
know how sound travels. You haven't come back with an
explanation or confirmation that is the case, but let's say
it is. How would you feel about that?
Speaker 3 (09:28):
I think if well, there will be some people that
will complain about noise. I'm sure they will. We want
to make christ Church, as you know, I want to
make christ Church a sporting the events capital of the
year of the country. And if the thing's like I'll say,
I don't know what this Rolling Meadows Festival, it'll befff
duff say it's like say, it's like Rhythm and Vines,
(09:49):
which my kids all went to and thought it was markless.
It's just another thing that we can have to make
christ Church vibrant. But having said that, it depends how
boom boom boom it is in the media.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I'm getting the I'm getting the vibe from you, but
using the kids language, I'm getting the vibe that you
don't like the idea of a permit until five in
the morning.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Oh no, no, no. If I'm sure I've asked about
the five o'clock permit, I haven't heard back about it yet.
I'd be surprised at that Earlian morning. But once I
find out, I'll let you know.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Brilliant. Thank you, Phil Major.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Good on your man.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
We'll see you in two weeks time, Christ's film Major.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
For more from Category Mornings with John McDonald, listen live
to news talks It'd be christ Church from nine am weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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