December 18, 2024 • 22 mins
Timothée Chalamet joins us to discuss his upcoming movie, "A Complete Unknown," where Chalamet depicts Bob Dylan. Plus, we found out he's a fan!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Mercedes Benz Interview Lounge show.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
What's going on this time of year. We have our friends,
we have our family, we have travel, we have the food,
we have cocktails. We also have movies. You know, this
is the time of year when all the big ones
roll out. Yeah, so there's a list, isn't there. Isn't
there a master list of all the films that are
coming out?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I think, yeah, well, you know, starting before Thanksgiving is
when like they roll out all the big ones for
the holidays. And then you know, we've already had the
Wickeds of the world and like you know, mulwan Iu
and all that stuff, right, and then next year there's
another list. But this is the time when the you know,
the big holiday. But what is it called, like the
push the holiday push?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Here we go. Yeah, there are many Christmases I recall,
you know, we'll we'll do our thing and okay, let's
get out, we're going We're gonna watch a film and
that those are my favorite favorite moments. I love those.
Thanksgiving and Christmas. Well, one of the films that everyone
is talking about is a complete unknown. It's coming out
Christmas Day, of course, all about Bob Dylan starring Timothy
shallow May. We're gonna talk to him just a moment
(01:00):
about this character, Bob Dylan. How do you do that?
I mean, I feel like such an intelliged weep see
seeing him do this film is wow? Okay, yeah, this
this actor is fantastic and so many great things that
we love.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Just with a name Timothy Shallamy. He had to be famous,
Like that's just a famous name, you know, it really
just is Timothy Shallamy.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
This is Bob Dylan. Wasn't like I didn't. It's not
like a name. It should be famous. No, wait, is
that Timothy? Timothy? Is that you? Are you eavesdropping on
our conversation?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I'm here? Can they see me?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
We can see you, We can see you, so stay
dressed if you will.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Fantastic. Nice, Nice to see you, guys, Good to see you.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I know you're in London, but we're in New York.
How long did you live in New York earlier in
your life?
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Me?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Man, I grew up listening to you. I grew up
listening on the way Elvis Durant in the z morning Zook.
I don't know if I'm sposed to say that.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Is it the same?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Is it the same?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Uh title, we got rid of the zoo part.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Well, listen what I honor to be on here?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Listen at seven twenty if I'm correct, at seven twenty
am sharp.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
You used to do the prank calls. My dad and
I would listen. But sometimes you.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Guys veer into quote unquote vulgar territories. When my dad
would say, you know something, I couldn't listen to it.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Oh really, Yeah. It's kind of funny because our kids,
they will purposefully stay away from their parents during those
they call them phone taps, and they were very Now
we're vulgar all four hours. We don't just do it
so perfect perfect, let's get into it. Go ahead, No,
I don't want to get into it. You what we're
gonna say?
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Oh you will?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
You see, we just had to push the button. You
can't you.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Know, we're just we're just pushing the edge.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
I'm sure we are are. Yeah, right, MICUs, you can
say whatever we want.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Right, No, No, you can't.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I'm serious.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
By the way, we just had to push the dump button.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
We're back in that vulgar Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
Okay, you know we're gonna.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
We're gonna pull it back.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Pg.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Thirteen.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
All right, let's get into it. I first of all,
we were so lucky to see a complete unknown, which
is out Christmas Day, by the way, and to watch
you do what you do is pretty amazing. I don't
think he'll ever be as amazed as we are watching
any human being be able to pull off what you
did with this Bob Dylan character. With Bob Dylan, I.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Appreciate it well.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
I had five and a half years to work on this,
and you know, I was supposed to shoot it four
years ago than the pandemic hit. Then I was supposed
to shoot it a year and a half ago when
the Actors Strike hit. So I just had a lot
of time to sit with this material, a lot of
time to play the guitar, play the harmonica, bother everyone
in my life with my Bob Dylan singing. But I
think I think the work was worth in. Bob Dylan,
as you I'm sure known many of your listeners, is
(03:46):
a Titanic artist. He's one of the most influential artists
in American history. So I wanted to do justice to
this guy. And I'm prideful about the character because when
you think about Elvis Presley or Mick Jagger, Paul McCartney
or John Lennon, these kind of titans of the of
the sixties. They're not elusive figures in the sense that
we know what there, we know what their faces look like,
we know what their interviews look like.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
But Bob Dylan is such a mysterious figure.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
I think to my generation, you know, a lot of
people know the name is iconic, but they don't necessarily
know the face.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
They don't necessarily know the music.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Right, So I want like a humble bridge to this
period and to this to this music.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
So you must beel somewhat grateful that you had writer
strikes in pandemics. It gave you longer to learn how
to finger pick your guitar and play harmonica and saying
and sound like Bob Dylan.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I mean, listen, the time was an absolute blessing.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
I'm not going to say the pandemic was a blessing
for my role, because I think a lot of people
would go, wait a second, this kid is out of
his mind. That was the worst time in our in
our modern history. But you know, so you know anyway,
but uh, you know, yeah, it gave me. It just
gave me a ton of time. I'll never get this
much time to work on a role ever again, you know,
(04:56):
five and a half years. But this, this artist is
worth it, This man is worth and we wanted to
do him justice and also do justice to the fans
of Bob Dylan's work. That wouldn't feel like we committed
an act of blasphemy.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
You know.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah, what goes into something like that when you're actually
playing a real life character, not just you know, like
you know, a character that's made up, Like how much
preparation do you do and what's the first thing that
you dive into to prepare?
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Well?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
The preparation was endless. You know.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Bob Dylan, as I'm sure you guys will know, is
a peculiar fellow and his behaviors and his mannerisms, and
he's an inward guy.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
He's mysterious.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
That's why I was, you know, bringing up these other
names before that were sort of in my worldview more
forward facing entertainers.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Bob was really a lyricist.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
He's a Pulitzer Prize winning lyricist and thinker and writer
and poet. Really, so there's the aspect of getting the
behaviors down, how he carried himself, how he would carry
himself in situations with the women in his life, how
he carried himself with the press, studying all the footage
that was available. Most importantly was the music, getting the
music down. But that was almost the easiest part, in
the sense.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
That I love this music. It was a privilege and
a joy to get to work on this.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
And lastly is all the all the all the excavating
of stones that you know, when you get to act
at this level you have to do, like retracing his
footsteps through Madison, Wisconsin and Chicago, going to Minnesota where
he was born, and hibbing, and then Duluth, and spending
time in Minneapolis where he was in college for a
little bit, spending time in an area called dinky Town
in MINNEAPOLISY hey.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Man, that's just what it's called. Man, that's just don't
don't hit that swear button none.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
It just it just sounds a little unportantly. It just
sounds a little, you know, a little dinky town. But uh,
that's where he discovered folk music, you know. And so
I tried to do everything, but it was easy. This
didn't become work at some point, I, like I said,
I love this artist, and it's well worth it, you know.
I think we did a great job at the movie
spotlighting this great artist in this great period in American history.
(06:53):
No matter how boring that sounds. People the nineteen sixties,
you know, this was the time.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Man, this was like.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
And I'm I'm a child of hip hop. I grew
up on Elvis Durant and the z Morning Zoo Baby.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
That's me. I'm the king of hip hop, very straight.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Very strue, well not not, you know.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
I guess if I look at getting my fix, I would
I would scroll down to ninety seven point one and
all honesty.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
But you know, but I hit the dumb button. Yeah,
I hit the dumb button right now, Elvis.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
I grew up with what was on the menu musically,
you know, I didn't listen to this sixty stuff because
my mom listened to show tunes and my dad listened
to old French classics. So I had a weird musical upbringing,
you know. So now I got to dad dive into
this music. And Bob Dylan was my gateway into you know,
stuff that's more obvious than it sounds, like the Beatles
or the Rolling Stones, or the Kinks or Jimmy Hendricks.
(07:44):
You know, Jimi Hendrix was a massive fan of Bob,
so this was this was the ultimate.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Education, you know Timothy Shallomey. Of course, the movie A
Complete Unknown, all about Bob Dylan, and it's out December
twenty fifth. He's alive right now, saying what he's wants
to say, obviously from London.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
Yes, Gandhi, So you know you were with this for
five and a half years. You're studying somebody else. And
I heard that when you do these roles, part of
it always lives with you even after you're done. Which
parts have stuck with you?
Speaker 3 (08:15):
I don't know. I feel like the whole experience stoke
with me.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
There's a part in a Bob Dylan documentary called Don't
Look Back.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
At the end he's just played for.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
The Queen of England and the Beatles and has sold
out sold out Royal Albert Hall, and then he's kind
of like smoking a cigarette and he turns to his
friends and he goes, I feel like I just went
through a thing, man, And that's like, that's the best.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Description of how I can how I can expect. I
really feel like I went through a thing.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
I've never turned my phone off for the entirety of
a shoot, you know, I've never I've never sank into something.
I don't say it pretentiously. I don't say method acting
blah blah blah. I'm not saying any of that. I'm
just saying I had two and a half three months
of my life to play this guy and never get
to play him again.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
So I just went as hard as possible. I went
as fucking no.
Speaker 7 (08:57):
Hit but but no, I just you know, it was
transformative experience.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Man. I don't know what I took him. I don't
think I talked like him anymore.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
You know, Yeah, I can't see you walking into the Star.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Elvis. You got a good dealing man.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
It hard.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
I gave it.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
You're good friends with Austin Butler, right, So I know
Austin Butler was saying how when he finished doing Elvis,
it was very hard to get out of that character.
So it wasn't as hard for you as it was
for him.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
I guess maybe our processes are different.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Austin is absolutely brilliant in Elvis and one of my
favorite things.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
And Austin is such.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
A lovely guy, so I don't think he'd ever really
be confrontational in him. But I remember talking about it
with him once and he's like, listen, man, Like he's like,
I know, I don't think he would mind me saying
that I know Elvis in and out, Like you don't
think if I really wanted to sound like Elvis, I
could sound like Elvis. This point being that, you know,
maybe some aspects had remained with him, but like if
(10:03):
he was going full Elvis like, we would really know.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
You know what I mean that was that wasn't as
funny as you guys as it was to me. But no, no, no, I.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Mean we're hanging on every single word to me.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Hey, Elvis, Elvis, I love you, man, and we love you.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
I can't wait till you're here live in the studios
so we can spank your ass for saying the F word.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
By the way, word.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
There are so many choos from all right, So I'm
just loving how we're now finding out preparing for a
complean unknown and Bob Dylan that this wasn't an overnight
prep I mean, you had rolled out of Dune, you'd
rolled out of Wonka, and which is all amazing, but
to see you picking that guitar and singing, you're singing
live to a camera, right, and you're sounding like this guy,
(10:51):
I mean amazing. I mean, do you ever watch any
of your work and go, God, I'm fing fantastic.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
No, no, no, I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
But this this, if you want to talk about disconnect
from something like Dune, is so above my pay grade
in the sense that it's it's so meticulously well directed,
it's it's operating on a level cinematography wise and special
effects wise, that what I can watch that and really
disconnecting the experience because it's so beyond me in a sense,
This Bob Dylan movie, I was so well researched and
(11:23):
so well versed and so passionate about the material that
whatever experience.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
I had doing it.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
I love the finished product and I'm super proud of it,
but it'll never compare.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
To what I went through actually shooting it. You know.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
The first time I saw it, I had to realize
it was a movie. And I love it, but I
feel like I went through a like a biblical passage
or something. I swear I'm really not trying to use
I'm not trying to sound pretentious, and I'm not trying
to be like one of these actors who puffs up
their own work, you know, because I haven't talked about
and I love everything I've been in, but this was
the thing I spent five and a half years working on.
So honestly, when I watched this, the one time i've
(11:57):
watched this, can only saw one final cut. I honestly
still just honestly just still see moments that I wish
I could tinker with, and because I would. This da
Pennybaker documentary. Man, it's one of the best music documentaries ever.
If you love music documentaries, don't look back. It's sort
of like the OG rock and Roll documentary.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
You know.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
I just see moments in our movie that line up
with that, and it makes me very excited. And then
I see moments where it doesn't line up, and I
wish I could tinker with things still, you know, But.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Well it's done. Sorry, no tinkering, No tin going back
to dinky Town.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Now.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Look, thank you so much for spending time with us,
and I think you've having me on. It's so important
that people understand all the different genres of music that
have made us come to where we are now. With
the music we listen to today, folk music is sort
of the genres is kind of kicked to the side
that people of today don't really understand, and I think
(12:56):
this film is going to help that. And the film
makes New York City look kick ass beautiful. I think
that's another great thing about this film. New York City
seems to be one of the stars of the show
and I love it. I think it's great. So what
do you do now? I mean, what is it like?
Because we only have like a minute left with you.
What is it like now? Now that film's in the cans.
There's nothing you can do to change anything? Is it all?
(13:18):
What you're doing today with us is all just on
the road talking about it.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
But this is seriously, it's an honor and it's a
joy to get to talk to you. And also I wanted,
like I said, I want to be a bridge to
this folk music.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
You know, folk music is a man and a woman
with a guitar. And what Bob.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Dylan did in the sixties, which seems trivial now, is
he took old Irish ballads, he took old forms of
songwriter and he made them personalized.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
And you could draw a line to all personalized.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Music, from Lona del Ray to hip hop to this
moment in the sixties.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
No matter how grand that sounds.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
And it seems trivial now to put music in the
I am form that's to say I am going through this,
or this person broke my heart, or this is my
point of view on this. But Bob sort of had
the avant garde instinct to do that, you know. So
this is the part of the process I'm at in
this movie. Now, I'm putting it out. But I love
talking to you and I love hitting the streets. In
lack of a better sense to talk about this because
(14:08):
I'm not pushing some corporate selling point. I'm not pushing
some corporate bottom line. This is like, this is this
is the real deal. This is Bob Dylan.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
This is the music of the sixties.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
And uh, and like I started the interview with, you know,
it's sort of an untapped period. It's sort of an
untapped period. And and uh, seeing artists like McGee explode,
now there is an ear for quote unquote like authentic music,
you know, stuff that's not hyper edited and hyper process.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
People want to hear real stuff. You know, That's my opinion.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
So uh, anyway, thank you for letting me come on
a big platform like this talking about this film.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
It's an honor to talk to all of.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
You, well, honor to speak with you, Timothy Shallow May
of course when you're in New York City, we do
want you to come take pay a visit. And as
we leave you, I know you have to roll. We're
gonna we're gonna actually gonna play like a rolling stone.
So everybody, and when you're you.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
This is like a rolling stone written by Bob Dylan.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
There you go, tim me too. Chalo ma, thank you
so much. You have a great day, Thank you so much,
great speaking ship. Absolutely wow, listen to this.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
It sounds so good. Right once upon a time you're
just so fine through the bumps of dime in your prime.
Speaker 8 (15:21):
Then you.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
People call, say't be let out.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
You found a file you thought they were out, can
you You used to laugh about never let it up
us hang it out now, you know, talk so loud.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Now you don't seems so proud about having him be
strounging your next.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
How it.
Speaker 8 (16:08):
Howl the a even no direction, a complete like a
run stop.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Process on the.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Steeples and all that pretty people are drinking thinking.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
That day God is mad.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Exchanging our precious gifts. But you better take it down
and drink you better.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Money back.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
Used to be so mute and aposi and rags in
the language that you God is no cost kept you.
We ain't got nothing. You got nothing to lose, your
invisible value.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
You've got no secrets to con steal.
Speaker 8 (17:31):
A fell ah and feel.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
To be an.
Speaker 8 (17:45):
We're at the regime.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Like a come up like aromic stove.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Wow, Timothy shallow May that's him singing, by the way,
it's incredible and playing harmonica, plays a harmonica. What I mean, hello,
what a what a great morning? I wish she didn't
say F twice the work. I wish he said it
three times. Well, here's what we're doing. We do know
that we have the unedited version in the back, the
(18:36):
computer that captures it without the dump button thing, because
when he said F, we had to dump it.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Right.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
What can we get rid of this stupid law? Yes, nice,
let's do it anyway. We're gonna find that. As soon
as we have it, we're gonna post it so you
can listen to all of it.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
But my favorite is that you told him, you know,
after he said it the first time, he thought it
was okay to say it, We told him no. So
then he presumed, make sure he said it again. I
love him.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
He was comfortable, Yes, he was very comfortab anyway, So
Timothy challamead the movie of Course, A Complete Unknown. It's
out December twenty fIF they call that Christmas Day. Keep
in mind. Uh, like a rolling stone, it's one of
the biggest rock songs of all time. Yeah, so I
hit it, I pushed play and we're listening to it
here in the studio. Nate says, Wow, that's a.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Pretty good song, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
It's like one of the biggest songs of all time
like that. That's it's kind of hold on him, kind
of catching. I'm aware of the history of Bob Dylan
and like a rolling Stone, that's being said. His version
is great and I could actually hear that being play space.
We just play. Yeah, it's okay, it's a it's a song, right,
(19:49):
this song, it's a think there's something.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
He could be a hit anyway, So, uh, that was awesome,
you know.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
And at the end of the day, what an actor.
Look at it. Everything Timothy shallow May has been in
Oh yeah, I mean in these roles he just kind
of he doesn't kind of he just tremendously owns them.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
What do you think?
Speaker 6 (20:08):
I thought he was awesome and he's somebody that I
would love to come into studio because.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
He has really good energy.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Yeah what do you Yeah, yeah, same thing. I wish
he would come up here, would be awesome.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
There you go, and he's only twenty eight and he's
done all that scary, scary. I hope you get some
more done before you're twenty eight.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
A lot of people say, my oldest looks like him.
Oh really, That's why I can't say he's hot. I
can only say, oh, you know, he does?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
They do look away.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I'm like, no, he's a nice boy.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
He looks like nice young man. All right, that was great,
What a great moment on our show. We do have
a free money phone tap worth a thousand dollars. Timothy
Shadow May grew up listening to phone taps. Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
It's and his song, so think about it, even though
it's not really his song. Technically, his song just got
paid played on the radio station that he grew up
listening to.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Like, that's always should have said that, yeh, can you
get back on the phone. Yeah, all right, your one
thousand dollars free money phone tap is on the way.
Let's get into the three things if you want, all right,
the three things we need to know from Gandhi. All right, Gandhi,
what's going on?
Speaker 6 (21:06):
Pope Francis says there were two attempts on his life
during a twenty twenty one trip to Iraq. In his
upcoming autobiography, Hope, he writes that two suicide bombers, one
in a van, were on the way to Musoul to
attack during his visit. The attackers were intercepted and taken
out by Iraqi security forces. Pope Francis's visit to Iraq
was the first by a pontiff. Luigi Mangioni is facing
(21:29):
murder and terrorism charges in the killing of United Healthcare
CEO Brian Thompson. Mangioni is accused of killing him as
we know, into Manhattan Street earlier this month. The Manhattan
District Attorney's office announced Tuesday that Mangioni is charged with
one count of first degree murder in furtherance of terrorism
and two counts of second degree murder, including one as
an act of terrorism. District Attorney Alvin Bragg said that
(21:51):
the killing was intended to evoke terror. Mangioni, who is
in custody in Pennsylvania, faces life in prison if convicted.
And finally, the two NASA astronauts who have been stuck
on the International Space Station, we'll have to stay there
through March. Sodey Williams and Bush Wilmore flew to the
ISS on the Boeing Starliners shaky first test flight in June.
(22:12):
The two intended to stay in space for just a
week before returning, but it's gonna end up being closer
to nine months. WHOA, I can't even imagine what that
does to you and your body mental health. NASA has
repeatedly pushed back the launch of a SpaceX craft that
will be used to bring them home. On Tuesday, Officials
said that the launch will be no earlier than the
end of March to allow more time to complete processing
(22:34):
on the spacecraft.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
And those are your three things, Thank you guy. Another
free money phone tap coming up next?
Speaker 8 (22:42):
Yeh what is that?
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Speaker 2 (00:01):
What's going on this time of year. We have our friends,
we have our family, we have travel, we have the food,
we have cocktails. We also have movies. You know, this
is the time of year when all the big ones
roll out. Yeah, so there's a list, isn't there. Isn't
there a master list of all the films that are
coming out?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I think, yeah, well, you know, starting before Thanksgiving is
when like they roll out all the big ones for
the holidays. And then you know, we've already had the
Wickeds of the world and like you know, mulwan Iu
and all that stuff, right, and then next year there's
another list. But this is the time when the you know,
the big holiday. But what is it called, like the
push the holiday push?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Here we go. Yeah, there are many Christmases I recall,
you know, we'll we'll do our thing and okay, let's
get out, we're going We're gonna watch a film and
that those are my favorite favorite moments. I love those.
Thanksgiving and Christmas. Well, one of the films that everyone
is talking about is a complete unknown. It's coming out
Christmas Day, of course, all about Bob Dylan starring Timothy
shallow May. We're gonna talk to him just a moment
(01:00):
about this character, Bob Dylan. How do you do that?
I mean, I feel like such an intelliged weep see
seeing him do this film is wow? Okay, yeah, this
this actor is fantastic and so many great things that
we love.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Just with a name Timothy Shallamy. He had to be famous,
Like that's just a famous name, you know, it really
just is Timothy Shallamy.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
This is Bob Dylan. Wasn't like I didn't. It's not
like a name. It should be famous. No, wait, is
that Timothy? Timothy? Is that you? Are you eavesdropping on
our conversation?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I'm here? Can they see me?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
We can see you, We can see you, so stay
dressed if you will.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Fantastic. Nice, Nice to see you, guys, Good to see you.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I know you're in London, but we're in New York.
How long did you live in New York earlier in
your life?
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Me?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Man, I grew up listening to you. I grew up
listening on the way Elvis Durant in the z morning Zook.
I don't know if I'm sposed to say that.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Is it the same?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Is it the same?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Uh title, we got rid of the zoo part.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Well, listen what I honor to be on here?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Listen at seven twenty if I'm correct, at seven twenty
am sharp.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
You used to do the prank calls. My dad and
I would listen. But sometimes you.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Guys veer into quote unquote vulgar territories. When my dad
would say, you know something, I couldn't listen to it.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Oh really, Yeah. It's kind of funny because our kids,
they will purposefully stay away from their parents during those
they call them phone taps, and they were very Now
we're vulgar all four hours. We don't just do it
so perfect perfect, let's get into it. Go ahead, No,
I don't want to get into it. You what we're
gonna say?
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Oh you will?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
You see, we just had to push the button. You
can't you.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Know, we're just we're just pushing the edge.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
I'm sure we are are. Yeah, right, MICUs, you can
say whatever we want.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Right, No, No, you can't.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I'm serious.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
By the way, we just had to push the dump button.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
We're back in that vulgar Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
Okay, you know we're gonna.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
We're gonna pull it back.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Pg.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Thirteen.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
All right, let's get into it. I first of all,
we were so lucky to see a complete unknown, which
is out Christmas Day, by the way, and to watch
you do what you do is pretty amazing. I don't
think he'll ever be as amazed as we are watching
any human being be able to pull off what you
did with this Bob Dylan character. With Bob Dylan, I.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Appreciate it well.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
I had five and a half years to work on this,
and you know, I was supposed to shoot it four
years ago than the pandemic hit. Then I was supposed
to shoot it a year and a half ago when
the Actors Strike hit. So I just had a lot
of time to sit with this material, a lot of
time to play the guitar, play the harmonica, bother everyone
in my life with my Bob Dylan singing. But I
think I think the work was worth in. Bob Dylan,
as you I'm sure known many of your listeners, is
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a Titanic artist. He's one of the most influential artists
in American history. So I wanted to do justice to
this guy. And I'm prideful about the character because when
you think about Elvis Presley or Mick Jagger, Paul McCartney
or John Lennon, these kind of titans of the of
the sixties. They're not elusive figures in the sense that
we know what there, we know what their faces look like,
we know what their interviews look like.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
But Bob Dylan is such a mysterious figure.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
I think to my generation, you know, a lot of
people know the name is iconic, but they don't necessarily
know the face.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
They don't necessarily know the music.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Right, So I want like a humble bridge to this
period and to this to this music.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
So you must beel somewhat grateful that you had writer
strikes in pandemics. It gave you longer to learn how
to finger pick your guitar and play harmonica and saying
and sound like Bob Dylan.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I mean, listen, the time was an absolute blessing.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
I'm not going to say the pandemic was a blessing
for my role, because I think a lot of people
would go, wait a second, this kid is out of
his mind. That was the worst time in our in
our modern history. But you know, so you know anyway,
but uh, you know, yeah, it gave me. It just
gave me a ton of time. I'll never get this
much time to work on a role ever again, you know,
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five and a half years. But this, this artist is
worth it, This man is worth and we wanted to
do him justice and also do justice to the fans
of Bob Dylan's work. That wouldn't feel like we committed
an act of blasphemy.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
You know.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah, what goes into something like that when you're actually
playing a real life character, not just you know, like
you know, a character that's made up, Like how much
preparation do you do and what's the first thing that
you dive into to prepare?
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Well?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
The preparation was endless. You know.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Bob Dylan, as I'm sure you guys will know, is
a peculiar fellow and his behaviors and his mannerisms, and
he's an inward guy.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
He's mysterious.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
That's why I was, you know, bringing up these other
names before that were sort of in my worldview more
forward facing entertainers.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Bob was really a lyricist.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
He's a Pulitzer Prize winning lyricist and thinker and writer
and poet. Really, so there's the aspect of getting the
behaviors down, how he carried himself, how he would carry
himself in situations with the women in his life, how
he carried himself with the press, studying all the footage
that was available. Most importantly was the music, getting the
music down. But that was almost the easiest part, in
the sense.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
That I love this music. It was a privilege and
a joy to get to work on this.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
And lastly is all the all the all the excavating
of stones that you know, when you get to act
at this level you have to do, like retracing his
footsteps through Madison, Wisconsin and Chicago, going to Minnesota where
he was born, and hibbing, and then Duluth, and spending
time in Minneapolis where he was in college for a
little bit, spending time in an area called dinky Town
in MINNEAPOLISY hey.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Man, that's just what it's called. Man, that's just don't
don't hit that swear button none.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
It just it just sounds a little unportantly. It just
sounds a little, you know, a little dinky town. But uh,
that's where he discovered folk music, you know. And so
I tried to do everything, but it was easy. This
didn't become work at some point, I, like I said,
I love this artist, and it's well worth it, you know.
I think we did a great job at the movie
spotlighting this great artist in this great period in American history.
(06:53):
No matter how boring that sounds. People the nineteen sixties,
you know, this was the time.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Man, this was like.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
And I'm I'm a child of hip hop. I grew
up on Elvis Durant and the z Morning Zoo Baby.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
That's me. I'm the king of hip hop, very straight.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Very strue, well not not, you know.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
I guess if I look at getting my fix, I would
I would scroll down to ninety seven point one and
all honesty.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
But you know, but I hit the dumb button. Yeah,
I hit the dumb button right now, Elvis.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
I grew up with what was on the menu musically,
you know, I didn't listen to this sixty stuff because
my mom listened to show tunes and my dad listened
to old French classics. So I had a weird musical upbringing,
you know. So now I got to dad dive into
this music. And Bob Dylan was my gateway into you know,
stuff that's more obvious than it sounds, like the Beatles
or the Rolling Stones, or the Kinks or Jimmy Hendricks.
(07:44):
You know, Jimi Hendrix was a massive fan of Bob,
so this was this was the ultimate.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Education, you know Timothy Shallomey. Of course, the movie A
Complete Unknown, all about Bob Dylan, and it's out December
twenty fifth. He's alive right now, saying what he's wants
to say, obviously from London.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
Yes, Gandhi, So you know you were with this for
five and a half years. You're studying somebody else. And
I heard that when you do these roles, part of
it always lives with you even after you're done. Which
parts have stuck with you?
Speaker 3 (08:15):
I don't know. I feel like the whole experience stoke
with me.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
There's a part in a Bob Dylan documentary called Don't
Look Back.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
At the end he's just played for.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
The Queen of England and the Beatles and has sold
out sold out Royal Albert Hall, and then he's kind
of like smoking a cigarette and he turns to his
friends and he goes, I feel like I just went
through a thing, man, And that's like, that's the best.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Description of how I can how I can expect. I
really feel like I went through a thing.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
I've never turned my phone off for the entirety of
a shoot, you know, I've never I've never sank into something.
I don't say it pretentiously. I don't say method acting
blah blah blah. I'm not saying any of that. I'm
just saying I had two and a half three months
of my life to play this guy and never get
to play him again.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
So I just went as hard as possible. I went
as fucking no.
Speaker 7 (08:57):
Hit but but no, I just you know, it was
transformative experience.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Man. I don't know what I took him. I don't
think I talked like him anymore.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
You know, Yeah, I can't see you walking into the Star.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Elvis. You got a good dealing man.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
It hard.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
I gave it.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
You're good friends with Austin Butler, right, So I know
Austin Butler was saying how when he finished doing Elvis,
it was very hard to get out of that character.
So it wasn't as hard for you as it was
for him.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
I guess maybe our processes are different.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Austin is absolutely brilliant in Elvis and one of my
favorite things.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
And Austin is such.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
A lovely guy, so I don't think he'd ever really
be confrontational in him. But I remember talking about it
with him once and he's like, listen, man, Like he's like,
I know, I don't think he would mind me saying
that I know Elvis in and out, Like you don't
think if I really wanted to sound like Elvis, I
could sound like Elvis. This point being that, you know,
maybe some aspects had remained with him, but like if
(10:03):
he was going full Elvis like, we would really know.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
You know what I mean that was that wasn't as
funny as you guys as it was to me. But no, no, no, I.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Mean we're hanging on every single word to me.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Hey, Elvis, Elvis, I love you, man, and we love you.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
I can't wait till you're here live in the studios
so we can spank your ass for saying the F word.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
By the way, word.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
There are so many choos from all right, So I'm
just loving how we're now finding out preparing for a
complean unknown and Bob Dylan that this wasn't an overnight
prep I mean, you had rolled out of Dune, you'd
rolled out of Wonka, and which is all amazing, but
to see you picking that guitar and singing, you're singing
live to a camera, right, and you're sounding like this guy,
(10:51):
I mean amazing. I mean, do you ever watch any
of your work and go, God, I'm fing fantastic.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
No, no, no, I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
But this this, if you want to talk about disconnect
from something like Dune, is so above my pay grade
in the sense that it's it's so meticulously well directed,
it's it's operating on a level cinematography wise and special
effects wise, that what I can watch that and really
disconnecting the experience because it's so beyond me in a sense,
This Bob Dylan movie, I was so well researched and
(11:23):
so well versed and so passionate about the material that
whatever experience.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
I had doing it.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
I love the finished product and I'm super proud of it,
but it'll never compare.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
To what I went through actually shooting it. You know.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
The first time I saw it, I had to realize
it was a movie. And I love it, but I
feel like I went through a like a biblical passage
or something. I swear I'm really not trying to use
I'm not trying to sound pretentious, and I'm not trying
to be like one of these actors who puffs up
their own work, you know, because I haven't talked about
and I love everything I've been in, but this was
the thing I spent five and a half years working on.
So honestly, when I watched this, the one time i've
(11:57):
watched this, can only saw one final cut. I honestly
still just honestly just still see moments that I wish
I could tinker with, and because I would. This da
Pennybaker documentary. Man, it's one of the best music documentaries ever.
If you love music documentaries, don't look back. It's sort
of like the OG rock and Roll documentary.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
You know.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
I just see moments in our movie that line up
with that, and it makes me very excited. And then
I see moments where it doesn't line up, and I
wish I could tinker with things still, you know, But.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Well it's done. Sorry, no tinkering, No tin going back
to dinky Town.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Now.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Look, thank you so much for spending time with us,
and I think you've having me on. It's so important
that people understand all the different genres of music that
have made us come to where we are now. With
the music we listen to today, folk music is sort
of the genres is kind of kicked to the side
that people of today don't really understand, and I think
(12:56):
this film is going to help that. And the film
makes New York City look kick ass beautiful. I think
that's another great thing about this film. New York City
seems to be one of the stars of the show
and I love it. I think it's great. So what
do you do now? I mean, what is it like?
Because we only have like a minute left with you.
What is it like now? Now that film's in the cans.
There's nothing you can do to change anything? Is it all?
(13:18):
What you're doing today with us is all just on
the road talking about it.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
But this is seriously, it's an honor and it's a
joy to get to talk to you. And also I wanted,
like I said, I want to be a bridge to
this folk music.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
You know, folk music is a man and a woman
with a guitar. And what Bob.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Dylan did in the sixties, which seems trivial now, is
he took old Irish ballads, he took old forms of
songwriter and he made them personalized.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
And you could draw a line to all personalized.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Music, from Lona del Ray to hip hop to this
moment in the sixties.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
No matter how grand that sounds.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
And it seems trivial now to put music in the
I am form that's to say I am going through this,
or this person broke my heart, or this is my
point of view on this. But Bob sort of had
the avant garde instinct to do that, you know. So
this is the part of the process I'm at in
this movie. Now, I'm putting it out. But I love
talking to you and I love hitting the streets. In
lack of a better sense to talk about this because
(14:08):
I'm not pushing some corporate selling point. I'm not pushing
some corporate bottom line. This is like, this is this
is the real deal. This is Bob Dylan.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
This is the music of the sixties.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
And uh, and like I started the interview with, you know,
it's sort of an untapped period. It's sort of an
untapped period. And and uh, seeing artists like McGee explode,
now there is an ear for quote unquote like authentic music,
you know, stuff that's not hyper edited and hyper process.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
People want to hear real stuff. You know, That's my opinion.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
So uh, anyway, thank you for letting me come on
a big platform like this talking about this film.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
It's an honor to talk to all of.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
You, well, honor to speak with you, Timothy Shallow May
of course when you're in New York City, we do
want you to come take pay a visit. And as
we leave you, I know you have to roll. We're
gonna we're gonna actually gonna play like a rolling stone.
So everybody, and when you're you.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
This is like a rolling stone written by Bob Dylan.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
There you go, tim me too. Chalo ma, thank you
so much. You have a great day, Thank you so much,
great speaking ship. Absolutely wow, listen to this.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
It sounds so good. Right once upon a time you're
just so fine through the bumps of dime in your prime.
Speaker 8 (15:21):
Then you.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
People call, say't be let out.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
You found a file you thought they were out, can
you You used to laugh about never let it up
us hang it out now, you know, talk so loud.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Now you don't seems so proud about having him be
strounging your next.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
How it.
Speaker 8 (16:08):
Howl the a even no direction, a complete like a
run stop.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Process on the.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Steeples and all that pretty people are drinking thinking.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
That day God is mad.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Exchanging our precious gifts. But you better take it down
and drink you better.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Money back.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
Used to be so mute and aposi and rags in
the language that you God is no cost kept you.
We ain't got nothing. You got nothing to lose, your
invisible value.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
You've got no secrets to con steal.
Speaker 8 (17:31):
A fell ah and feel.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
To be an.
Speaker 8 (17:45):
We're at the regime.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Like a come up like aromic stove.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Wow, Timothy shallow May that's him singing, by the way,
it's incredible and playing harmonica, plays a harmonica. What I mean, hello,
what a what a great morning? I wish she didn't
say F twice the work. I wish he said it
three times. Well, here's what we're doing. We do know
that we have the unedited version in the back, the
(18:36):
computer that captures it without the dump button thing, because
when he said F, we had to dump it.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Right.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
What can we get rid of this stupid law? Yes, nice,
let's do it anyway. We're gonna find that. As soon
as we have it, we're gonna post it so you
can listen to all of it.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
But my favorite is that you told him, you know,
after he said it the first time, he thought it
was okay to say it, We told him no. So
then he presumed, make sure he said it again. I
love him.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
He was comfortable, Yes, he was very comfortab anyway, So
Timothy challamead the movie of Course, A Complete Unknown. It's
out December twenty fIF they call that Christmas Day. Keep
in mind. Uh, like a rolling stone, it's one of
the biggest rock songs of all time. Yeah, so I
hit it, I pushed play and we're listening to it
here in the studio. Nate says, Wow, that's a.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Pretty good song, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
It's like one of the biggest songs of all time
like that. That's it's kind of hold on him, kind
of catching. I'm aware of the history of Bob Dylan
and like a rolling Stone, that's being said. His version
is great and I could actually hear that being play space.
We just play. Yeah, it's okay, it's a it's a song, right,
(19:49):
this song, it's a think there's something.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
He could be a hit anyway, So, uh, that was awesome,
you know.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
And at the end of the day, what an actor.
Look at it. Everything Timothy shallow May has been in
Oh yeah, I mean in these roles he just kind
of he doesn't kind of he just tremendously owns them.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
What do you think?
Speaker 6 (20:08):
I thought he was awesome and he's somebody that I
would love to come into studio because.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
He has really good energy.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Yeah what do you Yeah, yeah, same thing. I wish
he would come up here, would be awesome.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
There you go, and he's only twenty eight and he's
done all that scary, scary. I hope you get some
more done before you're twenty eight.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
A lot of people say, my oldest looks like him.
Oh really, That's why I can't say he's hot. I
can only say, oh, you know, he does?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
They do look away.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I'm like, no, he's a nice boy.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
He looks like nice young man. All right, that was great,
What a great moment on our show. We do have
a free money phone tap worth a thousand dollars. Timothy
Shadow May grew up listening to phone taps. Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
It's and his song, so think about it, even though
it's not really his song. Technically, his song just got
paid played on the radio station that he grew up
listening to.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Like, that's always should have said that, yeh, can you
get back on the phone. Yeah, all right, your one
thousand dollars free money phone tap is on the way.
Let's get into the three things if you want, all right,
the three things we need to know from Gandhi. All right, Gandhi,
what's going on?
Speaker 6 (21:06):
Pope Francis says there were two attempts on his life
during a twenty twenty one trip to Iraq. In his
upcoming autobiography, Hope, he writes that two suicide bombers, one
in a van, were on the way to Musoul to
attack during his visit. The attackers were intercepted and taken
out by Iraqi security forces. Pope Francis's visit to Iraq
was the first by a pontiff. Luigi Mangioni is facing
(21:29):
murder and terrorism charges in the killing of United Healthcare
CEO Brian Thompson. Mangioni is accused of killing him as
we know, into Manhattan Street earlier this month. The Manhattan
District Attorney's office announced Tuesday that Mangioni is charged with
one count of first degree murder in furtherance of terrorism
and two counts of second degree murder, including one as
an act of terrorism. District Attorney Alvin Bragg said that
(21:51):
the killing was intended to evoke terror. Mangioni, who is
in custody in Pennsylvania, faces life in prison if convicted.
And finally, the two NASA astronauts who have been stuck
on the International Space Station, we'll have to stay there
through March. Sodey Williams and Bush Wilmore flew to the
ISS on the Boeing Starliners shaky first test flight in June.
(22:12):
The two intended to stay in space for just a
week before returning, but it's gonna end up being closer
to nine months. WHOA, I can't even imagine what that
does to you and your body mental health. NASA has
repeatedly pushed back the launch of a SpaceX craft that
will be used to bring them home. On Tuesday, Officials
said that the launch will be no earlier than the
end of March to allow more time to complete processing
(22:34):
on the spacecraft.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
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