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Speaker 3 (01:21):
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and they are a whizz So.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yeah, it's too bad, but what did you expect?

Speaker 4 (01:30):
It's a podcast, Come twenty five.

Speaker 5 (01:33):
Whiz So twenty line Wheel.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Welcome, we have Sean Michael's coming up WWE superstar, two
time Hall of Famer. Really cool for me, I'm a
wrestling fan. I feel like a little bit though. Before
we get into the masters, I should tell you what
certain words mean for you non wrestling fans. Bloyd Eddie,
thank you? Like selling something? Do you know what that means?

Speaker 3 (01:56):
No? No, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
If you were to sell a move, it's to sell
how much it hurts or or the impact of that move.
Like if I were to close line you and you
just went you You didn't sell it very hard. Oh okay,
but if I closed line the crap out of you
and I, yes, you sold it, that's selling, got it? Okay?
H Do you know what a heel is?

Speaker 3 (02:18):
Yeah, that's the bad guy. Correct, Like he's a design
to be the bad guy. What's the opposite of a
bad guy the hero?

Speaker 1 (02:26):
No, dang it. So a face, a baby face, and
a heel. So I'll talk to Sean Michaels about turning
seeing a heel, which he had never been in the
history of his career. But that's that term. Heel means
a bad guy. So selling heel. Trying to think anything
else because we just finished the interview. You talk about babyface, Well, no,
we're gonna talk about heel. I just wanted you to

(02:46):
know the opposite of that.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Now, I know that forever now.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
When I think about the Masters yesterday, I feel like
Rory was the baby face. Andy Schambeau was the heel.
But not everybody felt that way.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
No, not according to the roars.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
No, I feel like the roars were very Rory. Really
I do. Yeah, did you even watch it?

Speaker 3 (03:03):
I watched the first two their first two holes, and
then I had to go to basketball. Oh so then
you have I watched on my phone. Yeah, now, but
I didn't watch it. Watch it. They would love to watch.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
They were roaring Rory big time because Deschamba blew it.
After the first hole, You're like, he's in it, and
then all of a sudden he was out. And that
has to suck to me in the final group and
really not be in.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Because you're walking that entire round and you're not even
in contention.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
And yeah, I'm sure he was so frustrated. So yeah,
Deschambeau was not the baby face yesterday. I'm not even
gonna say it was the heel though, because he just
wasn't in it. So all right, we can start there.
You didn't watch It's Kevin? Did you watch it?

Speaker 6 (03:42):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Whenever Rory was walking up eighteen and Jim Nance was
given the story about his dad, I was like, there's
no way Rory cannot lose this now because they're walking
up and Jim Nance is like on the eighteenth Rory
back when he was a kid, which, by the way,
I didn't know Rory grew up. Kind of had no
idea that he grew up very like lower middle class
I just assume all golfers grow up rich and have money,

(04:04):
because his golf is a very expensive sport. And so
Nance's like when Rory was growing up, you know, we
heard this story recently. His dad had one more token
for the whole week. It's all he could afford. And
he took Rory to the range and Rory's walking up
step by step, and he says he put the token
in and got the thirty balls and he was like, Rory,

(04:24):
this is all we have until next week. So once
you hit every one of these balls, like it's your
last shot at the Masters, Yeah, and then wow, and
Ry comes up makes he didn't miss the PI, but
he ended up winning it, but he.

Speaker 7 (04:37):
Ended a trap right after Jim said all that, and
he was like, dang it, Rory, come on.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
Yeah. Like that was like the one where they're in
a meeting and Nance's like, you know, I got the
one about the one token I can go to, but
I really have to go to it. Like he's walking
up eighteen about to win, and there's probably a thought
because at that point, Justin Rose had made the birdie
on eighteen, the long one, and so Rory's coming up

(05:04):
and all he has to do is par the hole. Yep,
And it does feel like possibly he's going to par
maybe even birdie the whole because he hadn't hit that
bad at second shot yet into the trap. Yeah, and
that drive was awesome, so he hadn't won yet, but
odds are he was at least going to par the hole.
And you know what odds are even when he got
to the putt, he was going to part the whole.
That a five foot putt. Yeah, that was like the

(05:25):
story that they had in the pocket for Rory coming
down winning, And I'm sure they had one for like
seven right of the people, like some final walk down
eighteen here it is. Yeah, but Nance, he threw it
out there and then I thought, oh, if that story
is used and he doesn't win.

Speaker 7 (05:39):
And no, that's the first thing I thought about. I
was like, Nance's gotta be a little upset.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
When he missed that putt. Yeah, I couldn't believe it.
I was rooting for Rory a big time because I
bet on him. So I was in two different types
of money pool experiences. One I was just betting on
it on DraftKings, and then because I bet Rory to
win live bet after round two, and then I bet him.

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Once the odds dropped where Justin Rose was the favorite,
I jumped back on Rory. So I made about a
thousand bucks yesterday.

Speaker 6 (06:09):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Although I was a little scared after he missed that putt.
I thought, no chance because the momentum was not with him. No.
It it was such a choke. It's such a choke
now to be he unchoked hard on the eighteenth, which
they replayed, and that was awesome. Oh, I felt so
bad for him, But I was rootined for Rory. But

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to see everybody's hands go up on their head when
he missed that putt in slow motion because they re
showed him missed the putt and everybody or they did
the what do they call it, the cobra, the resting
cobra where they put their hands on the head and
their elbows go out. That was maybe one of the
biggest miss putt chokes I've ever seen.

Speaker 7 (06:51):
Yeah, the whole day was just such a golf though.
Rory had two unbelievable shots.

Speaker 6 (06:56):
Then he went in the water. Then he missed the putt,
but then then he ends up.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
On like fifteen or sixteen that shot he hit into
the water. It was like an eighty eight yard pitch.
That was bad. That's not golf. If you're a pro,
that's golf of your eyes.

Speaker 6 (07:07):
That's what I'm saying. He is us.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Yes, Well, that's like.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
When Jordan Speed, like a few years ago, he chili dipped,
like would you never see a pro chili dip? But
it was the Masters.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Yeah, that was a tough one. I'm glad Roy won.
I'm glad I won. I will give a big shout
out to Read because come on, baby, Reid ends up
betting on Justin Rose before where so this was he
was He was in fourth, and I was like, I
need to kind of keep an eye on him.

Speaker 8 (07:31):
And then he dipped down to like ninth or tenth
and it was plus seven thousand. I was like, I'm
gonna come out of retirement for this. I'll put fifty
bucks on him at my plus seven thousand.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
And he did and he hit us up and he goes,
should I cash out? And I immediately went yes, because
his fifty bucks made you how much?

Speaker 8 (07:46):
Fifteen hundred dollars.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
So he cashed out, thank god, because Rose ended up
losing in the playoff. Yeah, but Reid has the Midas touched.

Speaker 8 (07:54):
I don't understand. I don't understand what happens. Honestly, the
cash out. I cashed out right when he made at
like fifteen foot birdie putt. But if I would have
waited until Rory missed his putt, just what I'm telling.

Speaker 9 (08:06):
What the cash out.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
But yeah, proud of myself.

Speaker 6 (08:09):
You did great.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
You have to stop doing that, becau. It's like good thing.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
I know.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
It was like after I cashed out, my butt was
still puss watchality and I'm like, no, it wasn't you
already catched out. It wasn't puckered. You're good, I know,
I know. But you also want ten dollars from all
of us for the basketball for Florida.

Speaker 6 (08:25):
I forgot about that.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Yeah, we got to tell you that I won.

Speaker 5 (08:28):
He did.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
He doesn't even know he won. That's so annoying about it. Yeah,
he doesn't even know he won.

Speaker 8 (08:33):
Yeah, I guess I did.

Speaker 6 (08:34):
Have you won the Natty Florida, right, Yeah, let's go Gators.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
That's so you randomly picked.

Speaker 8 (08:40):
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
So we all owe you ten bucks from that, all right?
But it was a really it was a really good masters.

Speaker 7 (08:46):
That was the most I've been into a golf match
in a very long time.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
My expectation was watching one Thursday, watch No One Friday,
watch a little Saturday, and then catch the back end
of it on Sunday. But because the Rory and Bryson
thing was leading, I was like, I'll watch it beginning
and then I just stayed with it because Rory had
such a lead. It was a does he finally win
his one that he hadn't you know, to complete, you know,
the Grand Slam? And does he finally after eleven years?

(09:13):
That's what's crazy that he didn't want a master or
excuse me, a major major almost eleven years that you
had won all the others that long ago. So it's cool. Look,
I don't know what kind of guy Rory is. I
feel like people like him. That being said, he knocked
the phone out of the guy's hand, you know, a
few weeks ago his issues. Bryson said, Rory didn't talk

(09:33):
to him at all that day. But they have big hate. Yeah,
they live PGA tour Like who cares? I want rivalry? Yeah,
I want them to be heels and baby faces. But
I was rooting for Rory the whole plus was rooting
for Rory, like crazy.

Speaker 6 (09:47):
Oh yeah, every time that scoreboard.

Speaker 7 (09:49):
I love those shots that they had of the scoreboard
going live where the guys putting it up in the
whole crowd on a eighteen or whatever it was there.

Speaker 6 (09:55):
Oh, just like you said, that was the best.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Because it's like the Red Sox scoreboard where they pulled
the yeah man, you witch it. Yeah, and they did,
and the place would go crazy because there's no way
to see it on your phone if you're not there
because you can't have your phone, so nobody knew until
they switched it up on the board if you weren't
watching it. But it was a good one.

Speaker 6 (10:12):
It was fun.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
It was I watched almost the whole thing, and my
wife sat down for like twenty minutes and she was like,
how do you watch this? And I said, well, I
find it entertaining. And I said, here's the storyline that
everybody's following. And she goes, well, if you gave me
a storyline about pain drying, it's still be boring his crap.
And I said, yeah, but it's the biggest. It's it's
the one. And she's like, if it were the biggest
paint dry I still wouldn't watch. She goes, I don't
find this entertaining at all.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
And then she, yeah, my wife's is the same.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
She jumped out. My wife like she will play golf,
and she's actually kind of good, like better than she
should be, considering she never plays. Although the one time
we went on a vacation up went to Branson, and
near Branson is that place that Johnny Morris own's. It's

(10:55):
a really nice hotel and he's like, you can come
stay up here, and it has golf courses, like, we'll
put you on our golf course, and he has some
really great golf courses. That Tiger Woods golf course is
up there. And so we go and I tell my
wife this is the first time we've ever played like eighteen.
And her parents are there too, and I'm like, hey,
we're gonna go. We're gonna play nine. You go in
the club, aush eat, you play nine more. It's like
three and a half four hours and we're done. And

(11:15):
so we go. We play nine, and we go in,
we grab a little food on a plate, get back
in the car and drive off. She said, who like what,
she goes, We didn't eat, we just grab food. I'm like,
what do you She goes, Oh, I thought we had
like dinner, like like you sit down and have like No,
she goes, this sucks, it's terrible.

Speaker 6 (11:31):
You have a hot dog.

Speaker 9 (11:32):
You keep going.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
Yeah, you love me to believe her having this big,
big meal halfway through. Uh yeah, it's fun. It's fun
and Red made some money. We love that for you.
Read's only got two more weeks of the show and
he's out two more weeks.

Speaker 9 (11:44):
You're gonna live it up.

Speaker 8 (11:45):
Just soak it all in.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Man, moving to Saint Louis.

Speaker 8 (11:47):
Moving to Saint Louis. How close is that to Branson?

Speaker 1 (11:50):
I don't know. They're both in Missouri.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
Can't be that far.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
That's right. Are you nervous.

Speaker 8 (11:57):
I'm a little nervous, but I think it's more bittersweet.
I'm excited.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
How so, uh, just something new.

Speaker 8 (12:04):
I mean, I haven't been with my girl for five years,
we haven't lived in the same town for five years,
and so just being being with each other every day
for the most part. She's gonna be super busy with school.
But I'm just really excited for that. And what's the
better part, the bitter part obviously leaving you guys.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
Oh, it's just us. Yeah, that's cool.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Three hours fifty two minutes. It's about the same as
it is to hear Oh it is yea to get
to Branson. Sorry man, yeah, sorry, buddy man.

Speaker 8 (12:28):
Win, lose, lose, I guess bitter bitter?

Speaker 1 (12:32):
What part What are the lose?

Speaker 8 (12:34):
I have no idea what the losses?

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah? Okay, uh so, yeah that happened. I had two
notes for two sporting things that happened this weekend. Why
didn't you get to watch any of it? You're the
one that was talking about.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
It's my favorite time of the year.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
You're not gonna watch everything.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
It's a weird thing. So my kids do tournament basketball, right,
and it's very strange because I root for my kids.
I love my kids, and I want them to win
every game they play. However, if they win on Saturday,
they play two games on Sunday for the championship, and
that really they won on Sunday. They won on Saturday.
So here I am Sunday. I'm like, I'm gonna miss

(13:08):
the Masters because I'm gonna have to go watch two
dumb games of basketball. And it's not two hours of basketball,
it's one hour, and then you wait two more hours
and watch other games happen. And then they play. So dude,
my four hours was wasted in Lebanon, Tennessee. I had
to watch the stupid game on my phone, which I
could barely see. On your phone, you can't see the
score like you have no idea what's happening. You just

(13:30):
see people hit balls. You don't even know where the
ball landed. It was so stupid and I was so upset.
But my kid won. He won the championship, all right,
but I didn't care. I want one.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
It was the best Masters in ten years.

Speaker 7 (13:42):
Oh since like Tiger, I guess since Tiger wanted just
because it was Tiger's coming back. But even that wasn't
I don't feel as the back and forth as what
it was.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Thank you, guys. I already heard your recount.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
I'm telling to hear it again. I watched the whole thing.
I did not expect to stuff.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
You didn't understand, man.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
I did bet one of your UFC parley legs.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
Wonderful.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Did you hit no?

Speaker 8 (14:01):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (14:01):
No, I got one out of three.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Oh, I probably want to have bet. Then I bet
Chandler over two and a half.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
Oh that's why, yeah, why I.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Hit that one?

Speaker 3 (14:09):
So you didn't do the parlay. You just picked the one.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
I didn't remember the other two bucks in the parlay,
So I knew the Michael Chandler fight. That's only one
that I even cared to see what because he lost?

Speaker 5 (14:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I just bet that. I remember
me saying over two and a half.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Did you watch it?

Speaker 9 (14:24):
No?

Speaker 10 (14:24):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (14:24):
You didn't buy it?

Speaker 9 (14:25):
No?

Speaker 1 (14:26):
Because I didn't know anything else going on, Okay, like
if Rory was fighting on watching it and Bryson, Yeah, no,
I didn't.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
It was terrible because like my parlay was the first
fight of the main card, and that's the one I
lost immediately, So it's like, great, did you hate when
you lose the first leg of the parlay? And it's like, well,
now what am I watching for?

Speaker 1 (14:45):
Did you watch all of it?

Speaker 3 (14:46):
I did? I watch the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Had a Chandler fight terrible?

Speaker 3 (14:49):
It went. It was weird because he when he walked
up to the ring, his eyes looked glossy, and I
was like, the first thing I thought was like, yeah, dude,
Nashville allergies are terrible, so he's probably not even feeling
good walking before the fight. And now, dude, Patty the
Batty is just too too good, Like he's crazy, he's awesome,
and he just beat the crap out of Michael Chandler.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
I saw Patty the Baddy, I don't know, fighting like
lipping with some dude backstage after a fight. But don't
we feel like all that's set up now? Kind of
like wrestling. I don't know, dude, we're like him and
another guy in a suit who's a fighter. We're yelling
at each other like talking crap. But don't we feel
like that's all set up for the next fight?

Speaker 3 (15:25):
I would say yes, But there was one time, I
think last year where they you know, sometimes when there's
like a fight going on, there's seven or eight UFC
fighters that are watching the fight, and the camera will
go to him like, oh, here's whatever, Sean whatever, and
he waves the camera. Well, they put it to this
guy and he's like, look coming up in a couple

(15:46):
of weeks, he's gonna be fighting that guy. And he
walks over and literally walks. I think you saw it.
He walks over some steps and starts punching the dude
and they start fighting in the crowd.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
That was not fake at all, but I still think
that's probably fake test. I'm being honest. Yeah. Oh I
don't know, oh man, because it's like whenever they do
the weigh ins and they start fighting and if people
pull them apart, that's always set up. I don't think
you have. Yeah, the promotion of it, well, you don't
think that's just pure promotion.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
No, because some guys they just like you know, they
do the pose and then they give each other hugs
like we can't wait to fight, you man, don't the.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Big ones, they're always John or somebody swinging. That's always
set up.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
Connor McGregor was good at the FEU.

Speaker 6 (16:26):
I was gonna say, what about the when he threw
it with a chair at the bus or whatever.

Speaker 9 (16:29):
I don't know that one.

Speaker 5 (16:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Connor River is crazy man, like he was chunking chairs.

Speaker 6 (16:34):
I think they told him to do one thing and
he just took it to another level.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
I think the promotion is still performative, yeah, even boxing,
because they're talking all this mess mostly just getting people interested.
But the fighting is real. But I do think all
the promotion or most of the promotion is performative.

Speaker 8 (16:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
Otherwise after they do all this, they talk so much
crap and they fight, then they hug it after a match. Dude,
if I hate somebody so bad and they beat the
crap out of me, I ain't hugging on the right.
So I'm surprised you're so naive.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
I've I've seen both. I've seen where they fought before
the fight, and I've seen where they just like, there's
no feud here. We're just gonna fight each other.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
And that's okay. But I'm saying the ones where they
do throw at each other, those are ninety percent set.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
Up disrespecting each other is what they say. He disrespected
me when you're talking about my mom like that.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
The Parks are one of the Masters. Not only do
they get their name on the trophy, they give get
a gold medal at three point four inch two pounds
gold medal, it says Masters.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
And gold is like up right now it is.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
I don't think you're gonna melt it down and sell it, but.

Speaker 9 (17:34):
I do hear you, Celtic.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
They have the honor of getting to choose the menu
for the following year's Masters Champion dinner. You get a
permanent invite to that dinner.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
What do you mean they choose the menu?

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah, every year.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
So like, if I win, I can say, like, we're
all eating pizza.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yeah, this is a new story. Every year they show
the menu of the person that won the year before
and all they pick because I.

Speaker 8 (17:53):
Think Scheffler did like burgers or something.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
And confetti ca Yeah, oh that's cool. You get to
pick the menu. The wives of the winners are unofficially
designated the recipients of a locket in the shape of
the Master's logo. You have an honorary lifetime membership to
Augusta National access to champions locker room. You also get
the Champion's Driving Range, which I talked about last week.

Speaker 9 (18:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Winners permanently qualify for the Masters and receive automatic invites
for the next five years to the Open, the British Open,
the PGA Championship, and as far as the money goes,
it goes up every year. I think four point two
million was what it was yesterday. Four point three If
you win it, that's pretty legit.

Speaker 8 (18:33):
Yeah, you could still come in fiftieth and win like
fifty grand.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
Yeah, you gotta make the cut. Whoever makes the cut
makes money crazy.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
I think they may now have because of lip started
to pay in some events non cut makers because people
were like, welly am I going to go play? Because
you spend all your own money. PJA doesn't pay for anything,
So you have to find your own housing and get
to pay for everything.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
It's not like you're touring so but you have sponsors
that's why you wear the.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
But you can tour and have sponsors too, like they
can pay for your bus, but everything has to be
accounted for. Nobody's paying for it, Like a sponsor just
goes I'll pay you this amount of money to wear stuff.
But you have to figure out. You have to allocate
all the money yourself, so you have to pay for everything.
You're basically just an employee of yourself. What do you
call those sure that whatever you're going to say, contract,

(19:21):
thank you depend a contractor. So if you do all
that and you still don't make the cut and you
make no money, you're like, I just spent all this time,
and Live was paying their players bucket loads of money.
So there was a rule change and modification for some
maybe not all that. Everybody got paid even if you

(19:42):
missed the cut, Like if you were invited to play
in the tournament, you got paid.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
Your expenses were at least you're a pro.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
So we're still going to pay you since you played professional.

Speaker 6 (19:50):
Did you see the kid pee in the river?

Speaker 1 (19:52):
I saw on the practice round, the Arizona State kid
who peed in the river. It was a big deal.
For a second, his hat. He also had the riding
upside down on his head and that was a big
deal too.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
Really.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Yeah, they just look for things to make big deals
out up before it starts.

Speaker 6 (20:04):
But there was a practice round. It wasn't even the first.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
It was practice rounk oh I Peter pell Beach. Yeah,
but that's not the Masters, that's not the river.

Speaker 9 (20:12):
In the ocean, cool.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
Cliff, No, somebody's backyard.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yeah, oh different, my man. Different. We do have Sean
Michael's coming up, so we'll get to him. Russell Mania
is this weekend Friday and Saturday, but also n XT,
which is kind of the version I would say, like
the minor league baseball, college football of the WWE. They
have a big event that day. We'll talk to him
in a second. But let's I mean, we can look

(20:35):
at the parlay. I do have it up here now,
the DraftKings parlay. You picked Chandler over pa. Oh you
did one point five rounds?

Speaker 3 (20:43):
Yeah, I guess I got at two point five and
it was two point five at the start of the fight.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
I wouldn't better if I didn't know that's what and
you still hit it.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
We hit it by like twenty seconds, thirty seconds.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
Maybe, Wait, but you bet one point five, so you
hit a big time.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
Well yeah, that was part of the parlay. But I
lost that parlay, so I had to rebet it.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Diego Lopez he lost, and Love lost. Those are two people.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
Diego Lopez close fight. I think he could have won it.
He was close to in it, but he lost. Man
that first one, he got knocked out, so no chance
to win that one.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
We can build NBA parlay hawks at Magic. This is
on Tuesday, Dude, I don't even know who wants to
play anymore because I watched the Lakers and Warriors and
now the Lakers are the three and they're playing Minnesota
as the six. That's a fun series. That's almost a
great Yeah, it's almost too tough for the Lakers. You
kind of wish the Lakers had a better draw so
they could last a little longer, because you would hate

(21:37):
to see Lebron and Luca go down first. I'm not
a Lakers fan, but I like to see bigger teams
and bigger shots. Hawks at Magic. I don't, dude, I
don't know. Just go Hawks, Man, no magic, magic but
magic five and a half point listen, I literally don't care.

(21:57):
See you can make it at a Hawks and Magic
Magic at five and a half point five.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
I like Trey Young, Let's just go Hawks.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
So you're taking the points Hawks plus five and a
half Okay, Grizz Warriors Warriors six and a half point favorites?

Speaker 3 (22:12):
Talking to you, Eddie, you all you want me to
pick that one too?

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (22:15):
I like the Grizz. Let's go with the home team.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
I'd probably go Grizz too, just because the Warriors don't
really have anything to play for right now. Okay, so
we're going two underdogs with the points. Some such dice tosses,
especially this late. It's like Week eighteen of NFL.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
Where you're like, I don't know, Man.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
Over under Hawks and Magic over to sixteen.

Speaker 9 (22:37):
I don't know.

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slash audio. So it's very exciting. We're gonna talk to it.
Two time WWE Hall of Fame wrestler Shawn Michaels. He's
been in twice, once as a member of Degeneration X,

(23:34):
which by the way, got a lot of kids in
trouble back in the day.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
What do you mean, Yeah, they didn't suck yea, he
did that thing. We have to keep Eddy away from
any wrestling tik man.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
My kids did that. The other day and I'm like,
you can know what you're doing.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
But that was like when we were younger.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
Yeah, but they're still doing it. Kids still do it.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Maybe they just were just saying sucking to say it.
Probably Sean is one of the most memorable guys ever
to wrestle, but he's no an executive and he runs
NXT some graduates of NXT and he talks about this
Roman reigned seth Rollins. Big thanks to Shawn Michaels for
coming on. You can check them out on social media
at Shawn Michaels. Here he is Shawn Michaels. Hey, Shawn,

(24:12):
first off, thanks for the time man, big fan.

Speaker 9 (24:14):
My pleasure. Thank you very much for having me.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
We were fortunate enough to go to Stone Colds house.
He invited us out and we spent the day with him.
And you know, we've we have been pretty lucky with
a bunch of professional wrestlers that have come on. And
I've been a wrestling fan for a long time. And
my you know, my takeaway as always when I see
someone do a move that I know hurts, yet you
still have to continue to wrestle. Like I saw bron

(24:36):
Breaker Spear, somebody of the day and one of the
hardest spears I've ever seen, Like like that has to
hurt so bad that I don't know how you're able
to bounce back so quickly even though that has to hurt,
because you know when a move like that's gonna hit,
it's going to hurt, right.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
Absolutely well, I'll say this, it's staggering what the human
body capable of and what you get used to. We
it's just it's it's our normal, to be perfectly honest,
and I think any football player would kind of tell
you the same thing, but it really is.

Speaker 9 (25:13):
It's it's staggering what your body becomes used to.

Speaker 4 (25:16):
And we always talk about like it's almost as if
it becomes calloused over time. And that's why even when
later on in my career, when I was older, you know,
I had I guess what would be termed as a
lighter schedule, so to speak, but that was still one
hundred and fifty times a year because doing it more
often was actually easier to me than just doing it

(25:40):
once in a while, because the shortest did set in.

Speaker 9 (25:45):
It does you know you you you you.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
Sort of your body calms down, it refreshes, it recuperates,
it recovers that was actually a longer process and more
painful process to me than just doing it consistently until
you decided you were done.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Do you feel that there is a difference in selling
really well and then over selling especially finishers? What's the
line there?

Speaker 9 (26:07):
Well, look, I.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
Will say this, the business has changed so much, and
I think it's interesting, you know, use the word over
selling and back again in the nineties, somebody like a
mister perfect Kurt Hennick, who obviously I sort of you know,
used his style from a selling standpoint, I think in

(26:29):
this day and age he would be considered an overseller.
But it was very visual. It was very appealing, you know,
the same the way that I sold in the nineties,
Dolf Ziegler, you know, Billy Gunn. They were all very
visual sellers in my opinion, But I don't know how
that would be received this day and age. A lot
has changed over the years. I think also with MMA

(26:53):
being around, our business had to evolve and sort of
replicate what I think people received, as you know, legitimately.

Speaker 9 (27:03):
Painful or not.

Speaker 4 (27:05):
And so I think as this continues to grow and
evolve and change, our business is going to continue to
do that. I think, And I don't know if that's
the you know, the question you were asking, or if
it's more so, like you said, too many people doing
too many moves that were once considered a finisher and

(27:26):
then moving on quickly after that.

Speaker 9 (27:28):
So it's you know, the business.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
Goes through that all the time. Old timers like me
often talk about all these kids today they don't sell
anything like we did. But at the same time, I
also remember people saying that to me, so that also
is generational. And uh, I think you have to change
with the times. Football and basketball, baseball, they all need

(27:51):
to be faster than they once were to keep an
audience entertained and locked in, and our business.

Speaker 9 (27:58):
Is no different.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
I was watching Kevin no One's talk about the stunner
and how there are certain people that can sell the
stunner really well, and some people like do backflips out
of it. And there's a fine line in selling the
stunner because it's supposed to be a finisher and you're
supposed to react, but some go too far. And I
guess that was my question, but I think you answered
it perfectly. But also and I'm just pulling up things

(28:19):
like I was listening to Undertaker talk about how sometimes
the finisher is used, yet some of the new generation
doesn't respect that it should mean you're finished. Like, what's
the fine line with you guys, because again you're the
creatives behind it. Is there ever a meeting where it's like, hey, look,
if we're gonna, you know, use this finisher, they kind
of need to be done because too many kickouts after
the finisher means it's not actually a finisher.

Speaker 4 (28:40):
Yeah, So look, I think we go through phases and
peaks and valles in that to where you are looking
to give your fans the most for their entertainment dollar,
and nine times out of ten.

Speaker 9 (28:55):
That's excitement, that's movement.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
Certainly from an NXT standpoint, we don't have the equity
in our superstars that a main roster, a raw or
a SmackDown hacks a viewer is not. You know, might
not watch an NXT upstart who's been doing this for
six months as long as they're going to watch Kevin Owens,

(29:19):
and so that young superstar will probably have to move
faster and do more exciting things to keep that viewer invested.
But at the same time you want to teach them
and keep the integrity of the business.

Speaker 9 (29:32):
So look, you might.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
Begin to give them a little leeway, and usually what
happens is we do that, but then after a while
it goes too far and then we reel and have
to rain everybody back in. And so that's just something
you have to keep your fingers on the pulse of.
And and that's something I think that's that's going on now,
you know, I think everybody you know, especially you know

(29:55):
my finisher, the super kick or again, I'm now understanding
that a super kick is one thing, but sweet chin music,
that's a finisher. So I think when you get into
those types of things, if you want to keep the integrity.

Speaker 9 (30:09):
Of the move.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
You know, obviously we want that to always be noteworthy,
but I think you have to kind of call those
as you see them, and and and hopefully that the
fan base appreciates and understands that.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
I was watching some of the MMA this past weekend,
and I think it traditionally Dana White gives a bonus
or if you perform really well. Obviously sometimes if it's
so great, you get a bump quicker with NXT and
especially at standard deliver, well, you guys like watch tape
regardless of who wins or loses and go, man, they
really performed at a level that is so high, maybe

(30:44):
we give them a shot earlier than we thought we
were going.

Speaker 4 (30:46):
To absolutely again, Stand and Deliver much like WrestleMania, that's.

Speaker 9 (30:51):
Where you can you can turn your career.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
Around in one match, in one moment, and so absolutely
and then when it comes to bonuses, those are things
that especially I think from an NXT standpoint, you know,
we have a lot of multi person matches at Stand
and Deliver and look, a lot of people don't like that, but.

Speaker 9 (31:14):
These young men and women work throughout the entire year.

Speaker 4 (31:19):
Not all of them get an opportunity to be on pls,
to be on those you know, road shows, to be
on those televisions that are on the road that we've
been doing so much more of lately. And so we
want to give as many people as we can an
opportunity to perform on the biggest weekend. That's the reason
people get into this line of work is to have

(31:40):
that experience, to have those moments, and we're hoping that
you know, we have a lot of standouts come Stand
and Deliver on Saturday, April nineteenth. I think it's something
that we definitely keep an eye on, and anytime there's
a performance or somebody.

Speaker 9 (31:56):
That just goes above and beyond, whether it's.

Speaker 4 (31:58):
In a match or just throughout the entire year, we
try to take care of them as much as possible.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
On Peacock Stand and Deliver will be streamed. WrestleMania Night
one is also that night when do you have a
favorite WrestleMania moment?

Speaker 4 (32:13):
So I am very fortunate to have quite a few,
perfectly honest. You know, I always go from the ladder
match at WrestleMania ten, where I thought, you know, where
I felt like I put myself on the map as
a real main event player winning your first World championship.
But then I you know, I'm very proud of my

(32:33):
matches with Kurt angle with Rick Flair, and obviously my
two with the Undertaker. I've just been so fortunate to
have a lot of really, uh fantastic performances that I'm
really proud of at WrestleMania, And like I said, that's
what that's I don't know, I kind of feel like I,
you know, built my career on you know, hence the

(32:53):
names to WrestleMania on those moments and those matches so
very fortunate to have quite a few, and it's always
hard to narrow it down to one.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
I have friends that have been in bands or even
in duos and they end up going solo and music,
and it's because that's what they really wanted to do.
But also there is a transition period for you. What
was maybe what you didn't I don't know what you
had to learn most when you did go solo, being
a superstar by yourself, not an attack team man a lot.

Speaker 9 (33:23):
I gotta be honest, I was able to. Really it
took me.

Speaker 4 (33:30):
Time to transition from I felt like I was always
a good worker, a good you know, a good wrestler
within the ropes. I think learning the character side and
then learning I don't know, the creative and the storyline
side of that, and being able to lose myself and
that creatively is what made the difference and separated me,

(33:54):
you know, from just being another singles superstar and somebody
that would be in the mix on a regular basis.
I think performing those storylines, being in those storylines, being
able to make them compelling, interesting, and then having.

Speaker 9 (34:08):
The matches to be able to back it up and.

Speaker 4 (34:11):
Tie all those things together in the ring at one time,
I think, is you know, where I was able to
you know, set myself apart, and that was something that
again I learned along the way. But I think, you know,
it's funny, ironically, I always talk about WrestleMania nine there
in Vegas, when I defended the Intercontinent Championship in the

(34:35):
first match, but then I kind of went into a
storyline on that show with Mister Perfect.

Speaker 9 (34:40):
It was kind of one of my.

Speaker 4 (34:41):
First backstage attacks and something like that, and I think
that was my first sort of, you.

Speaker 9 (34:47):
Know, step into that.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
Being more than just a regular wrestler on TV, just
another guy that was filling a segment. And that's what
I think superstars want to become. They want to be
somebody that's regularly in the mix and part of very
significant and important storylines within a raw or a SmackDown.
And I felt like that's something that I started to
embark on at WrestleMania nine and did my best to

(35:13):
build on from that point on.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
I was trying to explain to a friend what n
XT is before we talk about Standard Deliver. I guess
my analogy was college football to the NFL. Well, is
that fair?

Speaker 5 (35:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (35:28):
Yeah, I think that's pretty accurate. That's certainly how I
describe it. Certainly, look at us as here at nxc
BE and uh, you know, University of Alabama or or
Ohio State, you know, somebody that's obviously dominant, but exactly
you know that level before you uh you know, make
it to the NFL.

Speaker 9 (35:46):
And to me, that's what's so cool about it.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
You know, I'm quite frankly, I'm a I'm a huge
college football fan because you know, it's never over until
you know there's triple zeros.

Speaker 9 (35:57):
On the on the time.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
And again, think can happen in college football, and that's
the same for NXT.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
And with WrestleMania coming up this weekend and it's two
nights on night one, you guys are doing standard delivery
on peacock if you're doing those events pre WrestleMania in
the past, have there been a lot of NXT guys
that are now in the last couple of WrestleManias that
are headliners, Like, have there been real instances of people
moving up?

Speaker 4 (36:23):
Yeah, certainly. I mean we obviously throughout the draft last year.
You know, bron Breakers, you know, having his first WrestleMania
this year. Tiffany Stratton defending the World Championship against Charlotte Flair.

Speaker 9 (36:38):
So absolutely, And look, I'll say this.

Speaker 4 (36:40):
If you want to take a look at again Roman Reigns,
Seth Rollins, Sammy Zay, numerous others, Kevin Owens, all of
them NXT alum so to speak. So NXT has proven
that the main eventers of WrestleMania come through NXT.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Are there ever any that don't go through an XT that,
let's say, a high school player that gets automatically put
in the pros? Like, does that ever happen? Where you
find somebody that dynamic?

Speaker 4 (37:07):
I'd have to say, Look, I don't think you're going
to find anybody that has, you know, come in untrained.

Speaker 9 (37:15):
Now, there might be somebody that's at a very.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
Young age where they've been out on the independent scene
in the wrestling world and has you know, caught a
huge buzz and then miraculously somebody from the main roster
sees them and wants.

Speaker 9 (37:32):
To bring them aboard right away.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
You might we also have people that, again have been
to other places, but they've been in the business for
a while. I don't think, well, it's going to be
pretty tough if we find somebody that has uh not
ever done anything in the wrestling business and then kind
of make it straight to the uh the main roster
with no wrestling experience coming out of college.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
What about the difference of being a wrestler versus being
now what you are where you were one of the
greatest of all time, versus a creative and an executive,
Because I'm sure there had to be thoughts while you're wrestling,
like man, if I could only be the creative or
the executive, things would be so different. But I'm sure
now that you have got you've come into this position,
you've learned a lot of things that maybe you didn't
know or appreciate while you're wrestling a lot.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
First of all, I never dreamed of being anything corporate
or executive because I simply didn't think I could do it.
I didn't think that was in my makeup. I'm very fortunate.
I've always enjoyed the side. Again, you know, everybody's heard
the stories and they're very true of Hunter and I
driving up and down the road, you know, again talking
about storylines, talking about creative So the creative side was

(38:41):
always there. But I will say, look, some of the
things I have learned is that again, creative takes a
lot of heat. They take a lot of blame for
things that you know are not in their control. Understanding
some of the adjustments you have to make on the fly,
whether it be different personality, whether it be injuries, whether

(39:02):
it be all these different things that can.

Speaker 9 (39:04):
Come your way that you're never aware of as a talent.

Speaker 4 (39:08):
So learning that on this side has been fun, but
it's been interesting and challenging at the same time. And
I think from the corporate standpoint, doing stuff like this
and sounding I don't know, relatively intelligent has always been
an extreme challenge for me because again, I'm a kid
that wanted to be a wrestler when he was nineteen

(39:29):
and now, you know, knocking on the door of sixty,
and I'm still a kid at heart. But unfortunately, you know,
I have the task of trying to build a whole
brand with some great help around me. But I think
it's something and it's a task that I'm certainly ready for.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
I have three questions left, and one of them I
was watching an interview with Triple H. What I find
really refreshing is that you guys will talk about the stories,
even within this story, and he was talking about the
decision to flip Sena and turn Sina Hill, and he's
talking about it already. And I can understand from a

(40:08):
lot of the traditional wrestling fans, and I'm one of them,
why maybe some people don't like that. I love it
because I'm able to separate the art and the artist
and the business decisions that need to be made and
the creative decisions. But for you, who's done both right?
Like you, like you said, you're a wrestler, you're old school,
but you also have to be new school. How do you, guys,

(40:28):
and how did you decide that you wanted to actually
incorporate what was happening behind the scenes publicly.

Speaker 9 (40:34):
Well, we again, we started doing that.

Speaker 4 (40:37):
And look, I know it's obviously, I guess a blot
on the wrestling business, but you know, with the curtain call,
but you know, we we that was something that we
as a group felt like many many years ago that
you know, wrestling fans and fans in general, they understand

(40:57):
what it is we do and I yes, but it's
still in art form. It's still something that it's to
be appreciated. And I think that that's the most intriguing
part of this line of work. Yes, I mean talk
about the physicality, and you touched on it earlier.

Speaker 9 (41:16):
But I think any.

Speaker 4 (41:19):
You know, even minded individual knows that what we do
is not easy, and so from a physical standpoint, we
feel like we have the respect that we need. And
so therefore you start talking about the creative side and
understanding just how intriguing and how interesting that is to
some of us. And I think it's just easier to

(41:40):
I don't know, to put that out there and also
again not insult I don't know your viewers intelligent, don't
do it with your superstars. We're very open, you know,
with this generation. I think because a lot of things
were kept so close to the vest in our generation.
And also I don't know, I think there were you know,
there's some traditionalist and purest I think it's I think

(42:03):
it can be more damaging to the to the business,
uh and keep it from evolving in there. I don't know,
in their wanting to, you know, try to pass it
off of something that it isn't. And I guess that's
the part that we've never really understood.

Speaker 9 (42:19):
You know.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
It's we're just speaking the truth on what is you know,
still a very tough, complicated interesting, exciting, compelling line of work.
And if you truly feel the love and passion for
it that we do, you're going to understand that. And
you're not going to lose anything. In fact, you might
find more respect for it.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Two questions left. Why is the Undertaker so revered he's loved? Why?

Speaker 4 (42:47):
I think the way he carried himself to be perfectly
honest when everything's said and done, Uh, Mark was just
always a pro And and I think there are times
he went through every motion that all the rest of
us did, but he kept it close to the vest.
And and he did a lot of stuff in private
and and and I think that's that's the reason why.

(43:11):
You know, he always uh did business the right way,
had his problems, had his ups and downs, but most
people didn't know about it. And for that reason alone,
he deserves all the respect in the world. And he
gets it and will continue to give it, I'm sure
for a long long time.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
My final question, you won the roller Rumble twice. When
did you know each time you were going to win?
How far out?

Speaker 9 (43:36):
That's a heck of a question.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
Is it days, weeks or at times? Will you just
find out day of or they change it?

Speaker 9 (43:42):
Well, again, they vary.

Speaker 4 (43:44):
But but but when it comes to a lot of things, yeah,
those have changed. I think the rumble the first one
I think was probably like a week or two in advance.
The second one I think was farther, you know, it
was closer to to game time. But that's one of
the things with creative, certainly, you know, depending on where

(44:04):
you're at on the card, some of those things come
down at the last minute, and as you start to
go up on the card, your creative gets a little
bit farther out in front. Obviously always understanding that anything
could change at the last minute, and sometimes often does.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
Has it ever changed in the middle of the rumble though,
where it's like, hey, you go, you're number sixteen, go
down and let them know we've now changed the ending.

Speaker 4 (44:26):
Yeah, well, not ever the ending, but we did have
a time I think Steve's told the story before when
when Steve got eliminated in a point where he was
not you know, he was supposed to be a vital
part at the end of the end of the rumble
and that didn't happen. And I think also, I want
to say, Luger and Bread I think also had you know,

(44:46):
a miscommunication. So there's been a couple of times, but again,
that's the joy of this job, though there's been plenty
of times out there in the ring when you know,
in a world you hope you know what's going to happen,
it totally doesn't and you got to make get up
on the fly. And uh, again, that's what makes it
exciting all the time. And and you never know when
those things are going to happen, and then you've got

(45:07):
the you know, in addition to that, you've got the
trying to make that happen so people think that something
went wrong and then you know, you just start getting
yourself into a rabbit hole.

Speaker 9 (45:17):
There of creative.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (45:18):
That's incredibly fun and interesting.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Sean Michaels, big fan. Thanks for the time. It's been
really cool to talk with you, and I hope you
have a great week leading up to it.

Speaker 4 (45:25):
Yeah, thank you very much, and yeah, hell of an
interview by the way, Thank you. There's a lot of
fun for me. I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Are you serious? I know, I don't know, Like what why?

Speaker 4 (45:35):
I don't know, because I don't know, because you're you're
you're an interesting, smart wrestling fan that I don't know,
I don't know, it's just asking questions I think from
a different perspective, And I don't know, I always like
that sometimes it's a lot of the same old, same old,
and so I don't know, I appreciate you guys, you know,
not making it just sort of a I don't know,
copy and paste kind of interview.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Would what would copy and paste? What? Like? I don't
know what a copy and paste is? But what what
are they copy and paste? Do they say? Like what?

Speaker 6 (46:02):
I don't know?

Speaker 1 (46:02):
What's a copy and paste? Question?

Speaker 9 (46:04):
Well? I don't know. Again, what was it? What was
it like when I don't know, winning your first champions?
Got it?

Speaker 1 (46:08):
Got it? Got it? Okay, that's awesome, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 9 (46:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (46:13):
I appreciate the fact also I get I guess that
you're you know, you're a wrestling fan that understands both
sides of it and has an appreciation.

Speaker 9 (46:22):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
I'm always interested in compelled by the over selling and
and how you guys feel about kicking out of too
many things and stuff like that.

Speaker 9 (46:30):
Uh, you know, you.

Speaker 4 (46:32):
Can sort of have an idea of those things, but
you know, we don't you don't get a chance to
interact with people that much, and uh, I don't know
here there hear their opinions on it.

Speaker 9 (46:43):
So that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
Thanks Shawn Well. I appreciate the time, and I appreciate
you even answering my questions about the questions I was asking.
That's awesome, Darius Show, Michaels, everybody all right, John, thank
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Coming up, we'll talk to John Lepley, who was my
first ever autograph. We talked about who's the first pro
athlete you ever met and got an autograph from? And
I mentioned this random minor leaguer that I remember vividly

(48:27):
named John Lepley. We tried to track them down, we
couldn't find them. We have them, so we'll talk about
playing minor league ball, and then it's just crazy because
that's the first person I ever got to sign a
ball when I was a kid at the Arkansas Travelers game.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
So John Lepley coming up in just a little bit. Hey,
I do want to talk about Niko leaving Tennessee. And
I was watching a lot of people say, this is
not business, This is not what it's supposed to be. Sadly,
it is exactly business, and it is right now, fairly
inside the sandbox of college football. So everyone that's going

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this is not college football, this is not busy. Man.
You don't have to agree with what college football is now,
but this is exactly what college football is. And his
was just a little bigger and a little more public
than eighty four other versions of the exact same thing happening.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
Now.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
I'm not talking about holding out because I think they
knew from what I'm reading now that he wasn't going
to practice, Like he didn't show up, but they knew
he wasn't going to practice. They knew he his little brother,
by the way, go was Arkansas quarterback. Oh really, yeah,
year younger, maybe two years younger. So it wasn't a
surprise to from what I have heard from people very

(49:41):
close to the source that he ended up not being
a volunteer. So when we heard it was like quarterback
for the University of Tennessee, Nico, I'm sure to say
his last name, but Allan As we beat him this
year and it is awesome that he's holding out, and
then everybody on Twitter, you can't do this, you shouldn't

(50:04):
do this. Sadly you can and people are and it
doesn't get to hold out. Some players just go, hey,
if you don't give it to me, we're gonna leave,
and then they leave and there's never a holdout and
so they just get in the portal. Now think about
spring portal as you can't travel within the conference, so
he can't go to another SEC school. Another one of
the things that have come out is that Dan Lanning
at Oregon had her Nika was being shopped, so he

(50:24):
called Hypel and was like, hey, Nico's dad shopping him around, which,
by the way, it feels gross because it is gross,
but that is absolutely allowed because that is happening with
eighty percent of the players on one hundred percent of
the programs. So because you don't like it, that doesn't
mean that it's not allowed or it's not business. He

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was getting two million or so one of four. Now,
the business part of it is if you get it,
that's good business. If I decide to hold out here,
I'm not coming into work until I get a new contract. Okay,
that's business. Now. Is it going to work out for me?
But if it doesn't work out for me, it's still business.
But it was just a bad business decision. He's still
going to get closer to the money he wants by

(51:07):
going to UCLA or usc or and that's business. He's
going to get the money he wants. It was all
about money for him, So it sucks for Tennessee. You're
a big balls guy, Middle Tennessee fans, big the balls.
But it is the business of college football now and
it's absolutely allowed. It is within the sandbox that is allowed.
Is it broken? Yes, But we need stories like this.

Speaker 7 (51:28):
But how long until you think they fix it? We've
talked about this for a couple of years now. You've
always said day one, it's got to hit rock bottom
to be able to fix it, and it the bigger
the stories are, the more rock bottom it feels. And
this is pretty rock bottom. I think it is the
timing of it too, Maybe both just late in the spring,
you know, you're like really now.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
And a big program. So here's who can fix it?
Not the nc DOUBLEA. The NCAA didn't want any of
this to happen, so people are blaming the nc DOUBLEA.
N CUBA didn't want to pay anybody. They lost the
Supreme Court case, the Obannon case of the video game.
That's what allowed all of this within IOL. So what's
going to have to happen is it's going to have
to be such a disaster that there are going to

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be folks that lobby the lawmakers in order to make
the laws different. This is not an easy fix by
a school or the NCAA, or it would be fixed already.
NCUBA don't want to pay anybody, The schools don't want
to be held hostage. Or four million dollars, five million dollars,
two hundred thousand dollars. In basketball, you're seeing it too,
where there are coaches going kid averages four points a

(52:26):
game once two hundred thousand dollars, Like that's happening all
the time. The reason this story hits so big is
because one, it was a whole lot of money and
it was a big program. But the same exact situation
is happening all over the country, just not as much
money or as big a program. So this is not
an anomaly. This is everywhere. And I don't feel bad for

(52:47):
Nico because if you make a business decision, you have
to now deal with the consequences of it. He didn't
do anything illegal, He did nothing wrong. Now, you could
be a college football fan and purists like I feel
like I am, but I also understand the current environment
of athletes have been screwed over for fifty years and
not making money, so the pendulum has swung the complete
opposite way now. But how it's going to change is

(53:08):
going to be the lawmakers changing it, not the nc DOUBLEA.
They've lost all their power, not the schools. If they
go no, they're just not going to get the athletes.
Then they're not going to make the revenue, and without
the revenue, they're not going to pay for anything. And
it's a revenue base model.

Speaker 6 (53:24):
Yeah, and I don't think the NCUBA even cares to
be honest.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
I think the NCAA cares a ton that they lost
the ability, well that yes, to actually do anything about it.

Speaker 7 (53:35):
Yeah, that but at this point they're kind of like
handed tied to b hinterback. We mess this up now, Yes,
now it's just like, you know what, no matter what,
people are going to watch, whether wherever Nico goes, they're
still going to watch. Vals fans are going to be
Valls fans, and they'll move on. But it's just not
a good look.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
But I believe there can also be a slow deterioration.
We still have a baseball. Baseball slowly sucked and I
love baseball, but it was not people just stopped watching.
The product just got worse. The lockout. You don't think
the lockouts are baseball terribly. I mean, had it not
been for Sosa Maguire's home run Chase, I don't know,
baseball would have bounced back five, six, seven years.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
So the hey, they're just going to watch because they're
fans of X, Y and Z. That's fun. But two
to three percent this person doesn't watch it as much
that it does. After years start to accumulate to the
point of we have accumulated so many people that do
not watch as much as they used to. It does
affect the product. Yeah, but that's when people are gonna
have to step in like these lawmakers, because the only

(54:31):
reason politicians change rules or laws is for money. This
is a very money based situation. Nico didn't do anything wrong.
Nico made a terrible decision and now he's gonna have
to suffer the consequences. Except he's not because he's still
going to get more money at a different school than
he was getting at Tennessee. So he actually did it
right according to the sandboxer are allowed to play in.

Speaker 7 (54:51):
Yeah, I just feel kind of bad for him. I
know it's his decision, but he's kind of like, now
the whole world is on his back watching and wherever
he goes, wherever that may. And he's a hell of
a player, but it's just gonna be hard to recover
from that.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
I feel pretty bad for him. Yeah, because he obviously
so he redshirted. He was a retro freshman last year,
so he's twenty and twenty one. He obviously has his
dad or whomever guiding him in a direction. He's also
an adult, but he's a very young adult. Yeah, I
do feel bad for him, Yeah, as bad as you

(55:24):
felt for somebody who's twenty. It's going to make three
four million.

Speaker 6 (55:26):
Bucks, I know. I get that part of it. But
at the end of the day, like.

Speaker 7 (55:32):
He really wherever, whether it's usc some people were saying
ucla kind of thing. If he goes there and just
kills it, then he'll be able.

Speaker 6 (55:37):
To shut everybody up for sure. But if he doesn't,
then it's just like told you, well.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
We're gonna find out the value at as far as
what the school is going to pay him, and then
we're going to watch the performance to go. I wonder
if it's worth three and a half million dollars. What's
interesting to me is the kid at Vegas UNLV just
dropped out midway through the season because he wasn't getting
his nil money. And everybody's like, ah, we hate him,
we hate him. Don't remember his name, no, but we'll

(56:02):
remember this because one, he has a cool name.

Speaker 10 (56:04):
Ko.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
Yeah, he has a cool name and to a much bigger,
high profile program. But this other dude dropped at mid season.
Had Nico dropped out mid season, this had been a
nuclear bomb, way bigger than this. Oh yeah, so this
is business. And also, let's imagine this is the only
time he gets to make money playing football. Why not
make his the most you possibly can In the years

(56:26):
that you can. I'm not gonna hate anybody for trying
to get the most money they can get. Now, I
love college football, and you're like, oh, it's ruining it, Okay,
But if I were eighteen nineteen, I don't know his
family situation. But if I were eighteen nineteen, like I
grew up playing football, you don't think I'm looking for money.
I grew up poor as crap. A lot of these
athletes grew up poor as crap, and this may be
the only time they can make money to set them

(56:48):
up for the rest of their life. And we're going
to look at them and goad bad player because they're
not doing anything illegal. It's completely within the rules what's allowed.
It makes them bad guys because this is our favorite team.
They're wearing clothes with our colors on it.

Speaker 5 (57:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (57:04):
Or I'm interested to see if wherever he does go, like,
how does that fan base accept him?

Speaker 1 (57:08):
Oh? I love them, I know, until you realize he's
making three and a half four million. It suck.

Speaker 6 (57:12):
It's and he throws three picks in one game.

Speaker 10 (57:14):
And.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
That's the nature of it. But when is it going
to change? It's going to change whenever the lobbyists are
investing their time because money's invested into them to go
to the lawmakers to get contracts for these players.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
So when you say lawmakers like the same dudes that
do like wear your seat belt when you're driving.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
I'm talking about like the house. It's going to have
to be something there. The Supreme Court is the one
who changed in il because again Ed O'Bannon on the
video game is like, that's me.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
They're not paying me for that.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
So that's how it's going to change. But these stories
need to happen. Everyone's like, I hate it. I hate it. No,
bring them all. I want to see like fifty disasters
in a row because I don't like the model now.
The model now sucks, so we need something to break
the model. And nobody ever fixes anything that's kind of broke.
If you don't have to, you just kind of put
a band aid on it and keep going. My dryer

(58:12):
if it ain't like real broke, broke, or I can
kick it and get it to go. I'm not gonna
get a new dryer if it's completely dead, I going,
oh my god, Okay, fine, I'll get a new driver.
And that's what that's gonna be. That's the investment into
lobbyists into changing the actual laws. Now nil and portal,
although they in the ven diagram crossed in a lot
of ways, are not exactly the same thing. But I
think if you're going to pay players, and the schools

(58:35):
are now going to pay players with revenue sharing, so
that should all be disclosed and that should be contractual.
Now the problem that's where the NCAA is gonna have
to come in because that's from the school So that's
the NA being involved again. But I think these contracts
should be two years, three years. I think you should

(58:57):
get one transfer. I think everybody should be able to
transfer once. But what's happening is you can transfer every year.
It's free agency every year. Even pros don't get that.
So this is gonna happen right now. This is like
sports twenty forty years ago, but the exact opposite, when
there was no free agency and you weren't able to
just go and they had to literally pass legislation to

(59:20):
get players the opportunity to see how much there are
worth to go to other teams. So things have to
get really bad before they fix them, generally in life,
and that's what's happening here. And oddly I'm team Nico.
I'm glad to see Joshipeil do that though I thought
it was great. Yeah, like it sets a precedent for
other schools. We are not going to be held out on,
so you can just go. But two things can exist
at the same time. If I'm a player, I'm gonna

(59:42):
get the most money I possibly can. If that's my motivation,
I'm gonna get the most money I possibly can because
that is what's allowed in this environment. If I'm a coach,
I'm gonna set my culture one way or the other one.
You ain't gonna hold out. We're gonna pay good players
because we're supposed to. We're allowed to. But two, if
it is detrimental to the team and you're holding out
making yourself bigger than the team, you go mm hmm.

(01:00:06):
Or the culture can be we just have a bunch
of money, Ohio State, do whatever you want. We're gonna
pay everybody all And that works too.

Speaker 6 (01:00:13):
But I don't even I don't know if Ryan Day
would let that either, but he wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
It wouldn't get to that point. He would pay him yeah,
or he would just say go ahead and go. I
think that would be the thing where Nico was like, oh,
I can hold out and get more money, because they
weren't like just going no, just go ahead and leave,
because they had said they were reevaluating his contract before
this ever came out.

Speaker 7 (01:00:31):
I wonder how long it's been in the works. I
guess because it would happen so fast. It was like
one day reevaluating, the next day he's gone.

Speaker 5 (01:00:37):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
It always happens a lot slower than what we hear
and what happened right you.

Speaker 6 (01:00:41):
It has probably been going on since the off season started.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
I don't hate anybody here. I'm kind of happy happened
in Tennessee though. So there you go.

Speaker 6 (01:00:48):
What if he goes to Arkansas.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
He won't. We can't go to the anybody transferring the spring.
He'll go back home toward home. He'll get UCLA or USC.

Speaker 6 (01:00:57):
Dan Landing calls him.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
Well, what if Landing was the ultimate mastermind?

Speaker 6 (01:01:01):
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
So.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
When I was a kid, once a year we made
the voyage to Little Rock. It was about an hour
drive and my stepdad would take me to watch the
Arkansas Travelers and they were the double A team, but
they were our team. They were also the reason that
everybody in Arkansas a Saint Louis Cardinals fan because it
fed into the Cardinals. So all of Arkansas was a
Cardinals fan. Obviously. I was a Cubs fan, obviously, just
because of the contrarian that I am. And we were

(01:01:26):
talking about the first person we ever got an autograph from,
and I mentioned the name John Lepley, who was a
pitcher and I bothered him as a kid, and I
was like, we signed this ball and and I have
had the autograph forever, and so we just talked about it,
and a listener of the podcast named Eric said, Hey,
I know John Lepley. We tried to call John Lepley

(01:01:47):
based on LinkedIn, and now he's on with us. Now
here is John Lepley.

Speaker 9 (01:01:53):
This is you.

Speaker 5 (01:01:54):
I'm humbled.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
This is crazy.

Speaker 9 (01:01:56):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
Well, uh yeah, this to me, this is while because
your baseball card, this is the exact one that I
had as well. So okay, let's start first of all
with you. Now, are you living in Boston, Massachusetts.

Speaker 10 (01:02:10):
No, we live in Savannah. We actually moved last summer,
so that may be part of the reason it was
hard to get a hold of me. But as I
told your producer, I always returned people's calls within twenty
four hours, so it would be very unusual for me
not to return your DM.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
Hey yea, I was talking on Boston, like John Leplike,
anybody nobody in Boston. We'll get back. So and so
when you were playing for the Travelers, you were a pitcher.
Were you left handed? You're a left handed pitcher?

Speaker 10 (01:02:39):
Right, yes, I'm left handed. Very fortunately I was left handed.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
And what can you walk me through your baseball career?
So out of high school? Did you get drafted? You
play college ball? What happened there?

Speaker 9 (01:02:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:02:50):
So I went to a Jesuit all boys school in Omaha,
Nebraska called Criatin Prep. We had good success there, had
a scholarship to go to University Nebraska, great opportunity.

Speaker 5 (01:03:05):
I was a three year starter there.

Speaker 10 (01:03:08):
When I left, I ended up breaking the first strakeout record,
which at this point it's been shattered. But I'm on
the board there somewhere, maybe five or six now. But
so I think about my senior year. Really it was
my junior we had a new pitching coach come in
and really, you know, early on I was just a thrower,
you know, good fastball, but my curveball was my outpitch,

(01:03:32):
and he taught me really how to pitch, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:03:36):
Like you know, just how to pitch with purpose.

Speaker 10 (01:03:40):
He was really big into us watching other teams batting practice,
and he would just like just point out, look at
these guys are failing seventy seventy five percent of the time,
and this is batting practice. They know what pitch is coming.
So we tried to like empower us and Coach Pratt
was just great. He just taught me a ton about
pitching about watching. I got to be such a better pitcher.

(01:04:02):
So I think come my senior year, I was doing
well close to the strikeout record.

Speaker 5 (01:04:08):
I think I started getting attention from scouts.

Speaker 10 (01:04:10):
And at the time, if you know, the Cardinals really
drafted a lot of left handed pitchers, so being left
handed was it.

Speaker 5 (01:04:18):
Was very fortunate.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
So you go and you start with the Hamilton Redbirds.
Is that like rookie ball a ball?

Speaker 10 (01:04:25):
Yeah, yep, up in Hamilton, Ontario, And that's a weird
place to play ball because the weather just feels cold.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
It just feels like it's going to be cold there regardless.

Speaker 5 (01:04:33):
Yeah, and I think they love baseball up there.

Speaker 10 (01:04:35):
So as part of the new York penn team, so
we'd come back down into the States and play in
Buffalo and Erie, Pennsylvania. But fortunately I was only there
maybe three weeks. I was fortunate, do real well. I
didn't give up any runs, a bunch of strikeouts. So
then I moved on.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
To Savannah, the same Savannah you're in now, the same
Savannah now. And any reason is are they connected at all?
Did you like fall in love of the city just
having to get a job there again, No, I.

Speaker 5 (01:05:03):
Met my wife the first day when I moved here.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
Wow, that's cool, that's crazy. Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:05:09):
So on the July.

Speaker 10 (01:05:11):
Second, On July second was the last game I pitched
in Hamilton. After that game, myself and our second baseman
Mike Ross, got called into the manager's office and yes,
I don't know. I thought I was doing well. He's like,
I'm picking you up tomorrow mor than at five am.
You guys are both going to Savannah tomorrow. So later
that day and I found out and you probably have

(01:05:33):
heard stories, and families are just there's just certain families
that love baseball, they want to be around the sport,
and they know the minor league players don't make a lot.

Speaker 9 (01:05:43):
So what I.

Speaker 10 (01:05:44):
Learned is that on a lot of Sundays we'd play
in Savannah, that is, at one o'clock game, and typically
a family would have like a cookout or a barbecue
or something for the for the players, like at four
thirty five. And it just so happens my wife's parents,
Meredith's parents, were throwing a shrip boil that afternoon at
a park and I met Meredith that day.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
That's funny, that's crazy, that's awesome story. But you weren't
with Savannah that long though, because in the same year
it was Hamilton Savannah and then you were at double
A with the Travelers. How long were you with Savannah?

Speaker 5 (01:06:16):
I was with Savannah for three weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
Dah, you were on then, like you had to feel
good then?

Speaker 5 (01:06:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:06:23):
I was?

Speaker 10 (01:06:23):
I was, Yeah. I was pitching well. I was a
relief pitcher and I was not a high draft pick.
But my coach in college just said, listen, if you
get when you got when I got draftees, like, I
don't care if they asked you to pitch the fourth inning,
the eighth inning, just take the ball and try to dominate.
And it's usually the higher draft picks or the starter.

(01:06:44):
So when I got the opportunity to pitch whatever ending
I was just and then they slowly saw that I
did well towards the end of the game.

Speaker 5 (01:06:53):
So I would typically.

Speaker 10 (01:06:54):
Pitch like the seventh, eighth, or you know, sometimes i'd
pitched maybe the ninth ending.

Speaker 5 (01:06:58):
If they had a left handed batter coming.

Speaker 10 (01:07:00):
Up first, I pitched to that matter, hopefully get them out,
and then they bring in the closer.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
And you were the Travelers for a few years. At
what point did you go, Okay, how does it work?
As you're double A and from looking at your career,
I know you played ball in Venezuela. Did you do
that after the Travelers or when did you go so
I'm going to stop playing baseball?

Speaker 10 (01:07:22):
Yeah, So in nineteen eighty eight, when I had kind
of a good year or whatever after or kind of
during that August period when I was with the Travelers,
they invited me to come to instructional ball where they
take the top thirty prospects or thirty two prospects of
the organization. So I went to Saint Pete like mid

(01:07:44):
to late September. We played like thirty forty games and
I did well there. I had a really good fall
and so I get home probably in November.

Speaker 5 (01:07:55):
I'm just kind of working out. I'm not throwing anymore.

Speaker 10 (01:07:57):
I'm really exhausted because I had a college season and
then then kind of went right into the prole and
I get a call God, I think it was like
December twentieth from the director player development, and he said,
there's a spot in Arabo, in Venezuela, and we'd like
you to get down there and pitch and be a
relief pitcher for them for the remainder of the season.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
That's pretty cool. What kind of culture shock was that
for you to go down there and do that.

Speaker 10 (01:08:22):
I mean, it's it's a gorgeous country. Boy there, it's
a poor country. Our dollar at the time was fifties
to theirs. Their boliviar and they love baseball. They just
love baseball down there. So all they could they could
invite like seven Americans, so we all stayed in this
one hotel together. Actually, you make a little bit more

(01:08:44):
money in winter ball. They pay you cash and then
they pay your expenses, and it was just a great experience,
a lot of baseball. I think I mentioned your producer.
Our short stop at the time was Davey Concepcion, who
would in his eighteenth year of playing for the Reds.
But he grew up in Ragua. And what I learned

(01:09:05):
is a lot of those players Caracas, Arraguo, wherever they
in the offseason, they would play not the full season,
but they would play, you know, three games a week
so the fans could see him in action, because a
lot of these people didn't have TVs and couldn't see
their you know, their hero play.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
Did you ever in any sort because you never got
to Memphis? I don't think right, because were the Redbirds?
So when did it? When did it end for you?
Was it an injury or was it a realization? Like
how did ball end for you?

Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
Well?

Speaker 5 (01:09:37):
Two things.

Speaker 10 (01:09:38):
One when I went into when I got drafted, I
had my college degree, so I felt good about that
and I told myself then I go.

Speaker 5 (01:09:45):
I either have to be in Triple A or in
the big leagues.

Speaker 10 (01:09:48):
In four years or I just want to be done,
like I want to move on with my life.

Speaker 5 (01:09:53):
And I was in Triple A camp every.

Speaker 10 (01:09:55):
Year and if you saw my card I we played
like one hundred and twenty seven games for a full season.
I I you know, both years I played full seasons
there is. I pitched in fifty nine at the game,
so I could. I was like a workhorse. I could
you could count on me to be in there. But
then in ninety one in spring training, I was in

(01:10:17):
Triple A camp. I'm until like three days before they
broke camp and everybody went their ways and I got
called into the director player development and he said, we're
sending you back to Little Rock. So I just said why. First,
I said, I'm getting Triple A guys out. I'm getting
some big leaguers out when I go been playing in Venezuela.

Speaker 5 (01:10:40):
Can you just give me an opportunity. I just said,
give me a month there.

Speaker 10 (01:10:43):
I'll pay my way there, I'll pay my way home,
but give me a chance to go and pitch them up.

Speaker 5 (01:10:50):
And he's like, no, you're going back to Little Rock.

Speaker 10 (01:10:52):
So yeah, so how it ended. How it ended? Was
our last one of the road trips, and I think
was mid late June was to Midland, Texas. We're playing
the Angels, and I didn't know my this is gonna
be my last day, but I got asked. They got
me warmed up in the bullpen. I went in in

(01:11:13):
the eighth inning. We were down by I think two
runs and we ended up scoring the next ending like
I don't know, like four or five. So they're like,
go out and pitch the ninth. So what's kind of
funny is my last professional game. I actually got the
w so which was me. The next morning, I get
the call from the manager. He's like, we're making a
switch sleptly. We got your plane ticket already, and you

(01:11:37):
know your rides to the airport were sending you back
to Little Rock to pack up, and we wish you
all the best.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Do the people that work for you now and work
with you know, Like, is that that you were like
a legit ballplayer?

Speaker 5 (01:11:49):
Not really? I mean I've yeah, I don't really shy
that much about it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
It's all. It'd be my full identity, John, It's everything.
I have my baseball cards to fall out of my
pocket at random time everywhere. Yeah, yeah, I'd have tons
of Oh it'd always be a story relating to my
time back in the minors. So whenever Eric told you, hey,
they were talking about you, were you like, No, that's weird.

Speaker 5 (01:12:14):
I go, that is wild.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
I go.

Speaker 10 (01:12:17):
I just said to him, I said, we signed so
many autographs, and I mean that was part of our job,
and I enjoyed it. I mean, I love kids in
college just to kind of break up the monotony for.

Speaker 5 (01:12:29):
Baseball the time and school.

Speaker 10 (01:12:32):
Like I worked at an on campus daycare center twice
a week and just a couple of hours, but it
was fun to just interact with these kids, read to them,
and you know, just it just it probably helped me
more than to help the kids.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Yeah, you're my first ever autograph from any professional athlete ever.
And so it's super cool because the card again, this
is the card that I had. Would give out the
cards for free or you could buy them impacts of
the whole team. And so I had all the cards.
And what do you do now, athletic? Are you still
like active? You still play sports at all?

Speaker 5 (01:13:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:13:03):
Yeah, I play ust a tennis like golf. I meant
just at the gym earlier this morning. I probably work
out six days a week. Yeah, I try to stay active.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
How about you sandbag people? They're like, well, here's this guy.
He's like, do you know works as a business guy?
Didn't tell him he's a minor league ball player, like
played a super high level. Are you so at the
UTU U t U s t a tennis Like that's
like a ranking system, Like I have a handicap right,
Like again, is that what that is at tennis? I
saw you like you're playing amongst people and you have
like a ranking.

Speaker 10 (01:13:34):
Yes, yeah, my ranking is a four point zero. It
goes four or five and typically five o's or well,
I mean you're high high level college tennis. But I
played with some four or five guys, but mainly they
just keep the group about four to zero, which is fun.
It's get a good workout, it's not it doesn't take
a long time to two and a half hours and

(01:13:56):
your match.

Speaker 5 (01:13:56):
Is done and it's all good. It's we're not playing
for money.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
So do you ever play a real man sport pickleball?

Speaker 5 (01:14:07):
I tried it a few times. Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 10 (01:14:09):
I mean a big ping pong player, So I mean
I'm like, this is just like ping pong, it's just
a little bit bigger.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
Yeah, it's a real man's sports. I like to college. Well, John,
I really appreciate your time. This is super cool for me.

Speaker 5 (01:14:23):
Thank you man. I'm humbled.

Speaker 10 (01:14:24):
I'm honored to be on your podcast. It's so nice
you to invite me.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
And and I love Savannah know you lived there. I
love Savannah. They show Forrest Gump there, which I'm sure
you know, and we we went down when I was
on American Idol. I did four years on Idol, and
we would go down to Savanna and shoot on shoot
on idol, and so I got to know Savannah. I've
been there a couple of times at Little Park and
they have the bench where Forrest was sitting on. Yeah,
it's it's a it's a beautiful city. So except we.

Speaker 10 (01:14:47):
Got if you want it, we'd take you out in
the boat and go have loud somewhere or just cruise
around whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:14:52):
If you're ever done here, please give a shout.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
Dang, that's crazy, that sounds fun. First I have autographed
like come hang out with me those guys. John, I
thank you, thank you for your time. I hope you
have a great rest of the day. And this has
been really.

Speaker 5 (01:15:03):
Cool for me. Yeah, thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
All right, Jo, all the best to you, See you man,
take care. You spoke with a Twitter pickleball guy.

Speaker 7 (01:15:11):
Yeah, I heard back from him. Okay, A guy got
back to me messages me. He asked, Hey, is Bobby
like looking for just content or does he actually want
to play for a thousand dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:15:19):
What is happening?

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
Yeah, this guy would be my bff.

Speaker 7 (01:15:24):
Now yeah, and I'm like, well, one, we're going to
record it so we'll get content out of it for
the show.

Speaker 6 (01:15:29):
But it's also four thousand.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
The whole point was, dude trolled me out of nowhere,
and I'm like, let's play for a thousand bucks. Then
mister troll, let's go. And he's like, I'm in. And
then I'm like, cool, let's get a lawyer and set
it up so nobody gets scammed disappears. No, I'm trying
to be content friendship.

Speaker 9 (01:15:45):
Like.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
The whole point is if you're going to control people
like show up. Well, I did stuck when I found
out he was a four year D one athlete. I'm
not gonna lie like. That was a realization I did
not like. And I was like, I'm in, I'm in,
let's get in.

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
Check it out.

Speaker 6 (01:15:56):
You held your ground.

Speaker 3 (01:15:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
If I show up and lose, that's okay. I still
want to be the guy that shows up whenever the
troll trolls. I want to meet that. No, I'm not
doing it to be buddy buddy content and let's afterward
have a hug.

Speaker 6 (01:16:07):
No, I told him, I said, this is legit for
a thousand bucks.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
It's not going to be your see. I already feel
like I feel like this has lost its edge. Yeah,
he's back pedaling, right, because even if it happens now,
we're like forcing them into it now.

Speaker 7 (01:16:21):
No, there's there's an endgame here. He said, Well, I
got kids, I'm busy when you guys thinking, And I said,
and I said, just let us know, like for the
next month, some open day till we'll try to figure
something out.

Speaker 6 (01:16:33):
And then he said, I'm good. Thanks. He's he's out. O,
my gosh.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
We got strung along.

Speaker 6 (01:16:43):
He's out.

Speaker 8 (01:16:44):
Well he could have messaged back like a month ago.

Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
No, because he was embarrassed. This is what a troll does.
A troll talks a bunch of crap and then doesn't
show up. What's his Twitter name? Oh no, Scott right.
Everybody sent him a message just kidding, like, do you
think I wanted to hold and go? Yeah? You know what,
I'm still gonna go and play. When I found out
he was a Division one athlete for four years who

(01:17:07):
was running iron Man's no, I would have loved to
have backed out, but I'm like, if a troll's gonna
come to me, I'm gonna go, even if I lose.
And then he backs out like this, you little pud,
I'm good.

Speaker 6 (01:17:18):
Thanks, Jason Scott wrestling, you little pud.

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
Wow, I'm good. First he it's you with it. I
got kids, I'm busy. This would have never happened had
he not been the one to go. Let's go set
it up, right, I know.

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
So do you think the whole ghosting, the silence part
is just him scared wondering how he's gonna back out
of this.

Speaker 7 (01:17:39):
Yeah, because once he replied and then it took one
day to figure this all out and be like, oh,
I'm good.

Speaker 6 (01:17:44):
Thanks.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
I'm so disappointed and him yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:51):
You're good.

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
I cannot but that is very disappointing.

Speaker 6 (01:17:55):
I know it's gonna say.

Speaker 3 (01:17:57):
He's looking forward to that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
It's gonna save me money for him to fly.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
All that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:18:02):
Okay, then you're the winner, dude, you're the winner. Good, dude,
be forfeited.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
I'm a little disappointed by that. Okay. I guess with
that we can wrap Mike.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
Yeah, that's terrible way to go. Everyone's everyone's bummed.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
Okay, thank you for being here. Everybody stupid. Thanks to
Sean Michaels, Thanks to John Lepley. I can't believe he
backed out like that. I think better to back out
is just disappear again, like just ghost forever, instead of
admitting your putt, because he basically said I'm a putt. Yeah,
please allow me to put all over you.

Speaker 7 (01:18:44):
He tried to get us to say like, oh, never mind,
it's all good. And then once I once he realized like, no,
we actually want to do this, he's like, I'm good.

Speaker 9 (01:18:50):
Thanks.

Speaker 6 (01:18:51):
So yeah, he tried to.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
I gotta go public on Twitter with this one. The
freaking little loser he is. Okay, that's it. We'll see
you guys later on. Thank you very much. Thanks to
Sean Michael, thanks to John Lepley, Thanks to Nico, Thanks
thanks to Rory. Thanks you, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right,
that's it, Eddie blow the whistle. All right, We'll see
you guys later on. By theme song written by Bobby

(01:19:16):
Bones That's Me and performed by Brandon Ray. Follow Brandon
on socials at Brandon Ray Music. You can follow the
show on Instagram at Bobby Bone Sports. Thanks to our
crew co host at producer Ready segment producer at Kickoff Kevin,
video producer at Redrberry, and executive producer at Mike Diestro.

(01:19:37):
But most importantly, thank you for listening. I'm Bobby Bones.
We'll talk to you next time here on twenty five
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