November 18, 2021 • 28 mins
Although not a veteran of war himself, Big Jake founded MEDVETS in 2015 as a cannabis donation nonprofit, which naturally evolved into veteran assistance organization through its work donating to homeless veterans on the streets.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's now time for Cannabis Talk one oh one with Blue,
Joe Grande and Mark and Craig Wasserman, the Pot Brothers
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Hello and welcome to Cannabis Talk one on one, the
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Alongside of me are the world famous Pot Brothers at Law,
Mark and Craig Wasserman and Mr Joe Grande. Yeah. Blue,
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we're in Long Beach, live outside. It's a beautiful thing, man,
it's a beautiful thing. Shout out to Rocket Seeds. Yeah,
that's yeah. Yeah man. So we got a fantastic show
for you today. Jake, welcome to the show. Thank you.
We can't hear you, thank you, so listen, listen. It's
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you know, it's interesting that we're literally downtown outside in
the middle of Pine and Fifth Street and and Heroes
for Harvest for Heroes, you know, And let me ask
you what part of the industry are you currently in,
because I got some news that you're a vet, that
you're not a vegan, but your wife's a veteran, you
have a family of veterans, and then now you're giving
back to veterans yourself. That's correct. Tell us about it. Well,
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we started med vets back in and foundationalized and at
first it started with the idea of giving cannabis to
vets who needed it to help to mitigate opia dependency.
It was a lot easier back then. It was you know,
we you know, as we went out, a lot of
the farms up there. I'm from the Emerald Triangle and
a lot of the farmers came up and they said, yeah,
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you know what, we'll get behind this. So well, we'll
support and we'll make sure it's going. So back then
we had a collective and and and that's how we
did it. We were able to fund that through the
collective work with the farms, but also set up our
own giveback program. Imagine that without the state involved whatsoever,
we gave it to no one got hurt. Yeah, and
that all stemmed from Prop. To fifteen through Senate Bill
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for twenty and as you were mentioned, operating as a
collective with your memberships and physician recommendations to be able
to defend the charges that would come because it was
still a crime first back then, and you know, we
were defending collectives and cooperatives and patients. Uh since the
beginning when that was happening, and they were still getting arrested.
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But going back to the point, it was so much
easier to give away to the vets. Now, what's the
tell the roadblock talk about the roadblocks that immediately went
up once we switched over to Prop sixty four and
everything else. Well, actually, immediately as soon as the Prop
sixty four happened, it killed all of our donations. The
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people that gave to me. It was because we were close,
we were family type of situation that were given to me.
And and and actually I was turning around to other
veteran brothers who had depended on this medicine, knowing that
I would have something for them, and having to tell
them like, look, they've changed everything. Everything has stopped, you know,
let me help you how I can. But we'll do
what we can where we're at. So what happened is
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is that there was everybody started lobbying for Senate Bill
thirty four, the Dennis Prone and Mary Brownie Mary Act.
And so when they started lobbying for this, they were
able to get it out. But honestly, it's a wet
dog of a bill. It really is, well, since what
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does that bill contained that? And it makes it so
wet dogg is well. I mean, here's a deal. I
have gotten farms who have said, absolutely, we will work
with you. We we we we want to help, we
want to donate, we believe in this. In this way
they can, they can take off their their cultivation tax.
But everybody else along the chain, everybody else that you're
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trying to get in, you have to pay them the
same money. And where we're getting stopped at. And what
had stopped a lot of our movement initially was distribution.
Distribution stopped the ability to take it off the farm
get it into a place. You have to get attested.
By that point, you're better off going to a personal
plant program, buying your own pound of weed and going
and giving it to the guy. It's cheaper and more effective, absolutely,
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And that's but it's hard. People can't just grow their
own I mean they can, but I can't. You know,
I'm not a green thumb. I tried it a couple
of times. I killed things. And it's easier for me
to go get it from the people who know how
to cultivate it and do it right. Now, what is
happening currently with Santa Bell thirty four in your efforts
to give away cannabis to vets, because that's what we're
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talking about here, is just being able to simply give
it away, which the fact that it's difficult is a
big fucking problem. It should it is, it's in my eyes, right,
I mean, uh, you know it should go in with
with healthcare and everything else, and it's not right. And
we're completely ignoring the facts that that veterans and all
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people need this plant. Right, So you know, what's the
the answer, right, what what's the rollout? Right? How can
we educate people to understand what what would make it better? Well,
I think that's a you know, that's a silver bullet
question that that's really a silver bullet type question. You're
trying to find out what could do Well. Ultimately, we're
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gonna need new laws. We're gonna need new legislation that
turns around and allows us to be able to help
veterans more freely get cannabis to the end to the
end zone. If we have to go into a dispensary,
there's there's no reason we shouldn't be able to have
some kind of licensure that says, if you're going for
cancer patients, if you're going for veterans, if you're doing
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compassionate use, and you're doing medical, there's no real reason
that we shouldn't be able to make it toward. It's
like a micro business license to be able to get
it out and to donate through through doctor's offices to
really have a patient collective. Med Vets does a lot
more though than just supplying medicine to patients. There's we
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notice some some opportunities for housings and things like that.
Talk about the other aspects of med vets and how
you help the vets. Well, we're actually right now remodeling
a fifteen thousand, five hundred square foot hospital and Fort
Bragg that had been turned into a bed and breakfast.
It is the Gray Whale, and we also have the
Colonial Inn in Fort Bragg, and with the Colonial Inn
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in Fort Bragg, we are using that as a fundraising
I'm getting a lot of feedback. Yeah, yeah, I'm noticing
that too. I'm wondering if I look at you guys,
I get feedback. If I look at them, it keeps
it going. So I'm wondering who I should be over here.
I'm gonna keep talking. Don't don't look away, let me
do look in a way alright? Cool? You know what's
operation I'm missing? Going back? I want to know what's
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Operation home Front. Operation home Front is going to be
selling bricks on our landscaping so that everybody can have
a piece of this renovation. Businesses can come and sponsors
literally buy a break by a break what's a brick?
Cost goes up from a hundred dollars up. Wow, that's fantastic, dude.
So you can get your name done or all the
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way up to your company's logo done, and we're doing
like fifty bricks or a hundred fifty bricks or a
thousand or or whatever it is. Or you can sponsor
a room in the Gray Whale that we're renovating, gonna
be housing veterans in that. I love that. Man. Now,
where does this this passion come from? I mean, you know, certainly,
like you said, your your wife was a veteran, So
you know, where where does the passion to do this
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come from? Because it's you know, it takes a certain
kind of person to be able to donate their time
and focus on creating opportunity for veterans in medicine. My
uncle Tom came back from Vietnam schizophrenic, and it was
because he had a twelve year old blow his friends
his head off next to him as they were standing
there giving them candy oay um. As he came back,
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I learned as I was out and I had produced
Freedom Fest in Castle Rock, Colorado, UM for the American
Soldier Network. And that's something I also do. I produce events, right.
So the deal is is that as I was doing that,
I was approached about helping veterans. And I came over
and I told my uncle, I said, you know, we're
gonna start giving a veterans cannabis out of our collective
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with prop to fifteen. I'm gonna help these guys. I
think it's a good thing. And he disclosed to me
he had been walking for three years because his car
had broken down. He was too proud to tell anyone,
and he was saving his his money on his fixed income,
but he couldn't give up his anti psychotics and his cannabis,
so he had to save every penny he could. He
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had his his medicine down to how many joints he
had per month, and so I told him, I said,
you know what, Uncle, I said, I'm gonna work with
a lot of people and we're gonna help so the
guys like you can always have access. Oh man, I
I appreciate that. That's uh that you know, it's a
great story. And I and I know you know a
lot of you know, I have veterians in my family
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as well. And you know, my uncle, Um Jose died
here in Long Beach, um maybe minutes from here, schizophrenic
and uh, a Vietnam veteran and uh, you know, went
through a lot of drugs. He had his stomach blown
off in in um in the in Vietnam, and uh,
you know, he went through a lot of dark times
and right here in Long Week. So it's it's it's
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kind of I just got the cheals listening to your
story because it brings it back to the story that I,
you know, have in my own family. My uncle, Um,
you know, there was a time where my father and
I would drive up and down these streets just to
find him, you know, and he lived out here just
on the streets and uh, finally you know, he ended
up passing away. Uh. But you know, I appreciate what
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you're doing for the community, and um, you know, it's
it's a thankless job sometimes, but you know, I think
you're doing the right thing, and I'm it's nice to
be here with you. Then well I would love to continue.
You know, ultimately we work with for profits and nonprofits.
Everything that I can sit here and tellt that we
have done or do is because somebody else has come
forward and believed, because we couldn't have done any of it.
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You know, the Veteran Cannabis Group, these guys right here
have been a glue to bringing us and and so
many people together. You know, they go out there, they lobby,
they fight on and in suits and ties in different
ways to help. Why we're boot on the ground of
an emerald triangle, we're helping to get it directly to
the people. But it takes a village. Sure sure, well listen, guys,
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Cannabis Talk one on one. We'll be right back after
this break. We'll be right back with Cannabis Talk one
oh one. Welcome back to Cannabis Talk one oh one.
Welcome back to Cannabis Talk one on one. Harvest for
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Heroes right here in Long Beach, guys Pine Street. It's
going down real big guys. I want to take a
second to give a shout out to Rocket Seeds, G
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going down. White Angel Farms is in the House of
Mercia Catalysts. Steezy is in the building. Stizzy is a
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Dizzy or Stezy. I've heard it both ways, but I'll
say Stizzy. The Blacklist, Veterans, Cannabis Group, Humanity Heroes, Left
Coast Extracts, the Roll Up Show, Loomis, Smoke Deville, and
Mobile Media Kings all helping us out here in Long
Beach Live Cannabis Talk one on one and we are
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with Big Jake and he is doing big things for
the cannabis industry and vets. And you were just talking
about pets, well, pets and pets. So what's the deal
with pets. If you look over there, that's Roscoe. What's up, Roscoe? Roscoe?
Let's go Roscoe. Yes? Good. So you're doing cannabis and pets,
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and I mean, well, the pet therapy. First off, that
is my therapy. Yes, that that is my therapy. That
that guy is my therapy first and foremost. But I disappear.
When I walk into a room full of vets and
other people, I completely blamed out. I don't even matter.
He's being trained for deep pressure therapy for PTSD and anxiety,
so we were we take them around socialize him. But
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the way that I built pet therapy and med vets
was to utilize what already exists. And so we're working
with the Mendocino County UH Coast Humane Society and they
have a huge facility over there and we donate to
them and we're working with them. We're working to get officers,
first responders who trained canines to actually work with our
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men so that they can adopt a dog and have
it trained so if they grab as they come out
of our program, they can walk out and have a
dog that's fully service trained. So I have some questions
because you know, I hear about pet therapy and I
have two dogs, you know, but what does that? What
does it mean? How? You know, somebody goes and they
have some issue, emotional issue or something and a doctor
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or somebody's decided instead of the pills or other other things,
pet therapy, how do how does it work? What is that? So?
The the interesting thing about it is is if you
don't have anything else to depend on you, if you
don't have something that needs you, you can often get
stuck off in your own ways. You have nothing that
requires you to help it, and it it becomes a
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positive codependence. Uh. The other thing is is how many
times you want to tell someone something and you just
know that you can't really get the words out. Roscoe
doesn't judge me. Roscoe doesn't judge me when I'm talking giberation,
I'm going through it and I'm asking him why I'm
crazy at night working all these hours. He comes with
me and he rides on unequivocally. He rides where we're going.
He rides with you no matter what, right right. He
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has no amostes towards any of that. He just rides
with no judgment. I love that. So we just lost
our We just lost our thirteen year old boxer Deuice
and he was the one who went before us him,
but he had a month with him, he had a
month with him before he passed. And then he's the
next generation going with me all over the country. You know,
and a lot of people don't realize that. You know,
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pets are our family members that you know that if
you don't own one, and you haven't, you don't have
that relationship with a pet, especially veterans as well. You know,
it's something that you know, we we all have to
realize that they are family, you know, and these are
real things. So you know, making sure now now you
know where where are you guys based out of the
Guinea Center, Fort Bragg, California. And you know, I forgive
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me for for going back to the bricks man, but
I just find that that's such an interesting model. You know,
you guys are building a property and you can donate
bricks to get yourself a piece of the Yeah, because
it's not about if you really own a nonprofit. If
you really own a nonprofit, you don't own it, right.
It's really you don't really own it, right. So nobody
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ever owned that collective right and and and so what
it is is it's actually built for the community that
I'm in. This is meant to be a duplicate Herble
model in each county. But I'm doing proof of concept
in Fort Bragging, Indocino County, in the heart of the
Emerald Triangle, and I'm bringing fine cannabis to access medicine
to vets alongside of it. Where does all this come
from inside of you? To want to do all of
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this work and tireless? You know, you doing nights weekends.
I'm sure you know. Where Where did it all start for?
I mean, I know this whole thing started you said
in but it didn't start That's when it probably got activated.
And I when did the idea, the concept? Where did
that come from? And when did that hit you? The
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concept hit me when I was approached by another vet
group and I saw them doing everything that I despised
and putting together a group. What did you despise me?
There was no testing, there was no there was no
logical reason to how they were treating these vets. It
was it was a Mickey Mouse cookie cutter club. And
it had no structure to it and no background, and
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so when you look at it, there was no depth
of authenticity. It was about making money. And then and
then when I tried to help them, they couldn't tell
me where the money went. And if you can't tell
me where the money I'm raising goes, and we have
a problem, and you're gonna put my name on it.
And so I spent all that time up to that time,
nobody knew that I smoked cannabis. I kept it to myself.
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I've been smoking we since the third grade. I grew
up in so you know, I'm not a Johnny Come Lately.
There's like, oh, let me just jump into the pot business. No.
I grew up off in it. I grew up with
a hundred bikes in my front yard, you know what
I mean. So this isn't something that I just randomly
was like, you know, maybe I should start a pot business.
I ran a moving company. I went from homeless to
the youngest owner of an international moving company. My number
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one client were veterans. I moved the base commander off
Travis Air Force Base. You know, That's why I got
to know him intimately. I had one of the most
intimate careers in the military you could have, because when
the guy had to go or the mom had to go,
I was there with the kids. I was there with
the family packing them up, and the most important thing
to them, to that guy off and on a plane
was that his family was taken care of. And I
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got to have a piece of that. Wow, that's amazing.
So look at this, gentleman, I'm gonna show yourself he
is pulling it out of his pocket and uh, we
are giving us money. I'm a civilian, but I was
given that challenge coin blue. What is that? Please? This
is beautiful. Wow, it's called a challenge coin. Yeah, I've
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never even seen that. Well, what is a challenge coin?
That's a battalion coin for excellence and Mule Skinner's first calf.
It was earned in battle. I was given it for
excellence in business. That's fantastic, well deserved, well deserved. And
this is a nice heavy piece. It's it's really beautiful,
you know, And that's something to to to think about
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and be said, you know, while we're honoring vets, honoring
you know, gentlemen like this and the families of the vets,
you know who've who have gone through it and are
going through it, and have people like yourself who are
out there helping our Our by laws are written for
vets in their families. Both of my grandpa served in
the war, uh in World War Two. One was a marine,
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one was in the army. One was a chef. One
was a lineman who spoke Navajo because he set up
the lines for the code talkers. So I come from
a long line of military family. And the interesting thing
is is that nobody's ease what happens to the families.
So as a nonprofit, I didn't want it to be
if there's a lady in our community whose husband served
three tours who needs a new roof, that we couldn't
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raise funds and help her too. She served as much
as he did because she was there taking care of
that family, their battle buddies. Right. Yeah, Well, guys, when
we come back more with Big Jake, we're gonna do
the high five. Ready for that? Yes, they you know
what the high five is. Now you're gonna have to educate.
Gonna you'll get educated. Yes, man, it's Cannabis Talk one
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oh one. We'll be right back after this break. We'll
be right back with Cannabis Talk one oh one. Welcome
back to Cannabis Talk one oh one. Take a hit,
get lit, and sit back and enjoy Cannabis Talk one
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o one. Mark and Craig could I said, Cannabis Talk
one oh thanks, coming up, But I get it more.
I do it well. The biggest Turkey of all sat
right next to me and joined us. I am so
glad you're here, Joe, just in time for my favorite
part of the show, the Cannabis talk one on one
High five with Big Jake. Big Jake, it's a pleasure.
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I'm sorry I missed the first two segments with you,
but uh, the guy said, you're great, and I hope
that chair is okay too for you. We're gonna get
me a chair made eventually. But this thing, Big Jake,
we need a better chair for this guy. You know
you're a little Joe now, yeah, Big you feel like
Wow Joe. They know Big Jake's in the field. Well, guys,
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we are all the way live in Long Beach on
Pine and Fifth Street. Guys, believe or not. Harvest for heroes,
shut down the whole entire blocktub block, toub block for
our veterans out here. Shout out to our veterans, Man
for cannabis and and all the fantastic sponsors and people
that are out here just sharing love. What a great
vibe it is out here. Unbelievable. I just got here
and it's fantastic. Yes, yes, yes, so question number one
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jacoble high five, how old you the first time he
smoked cannabis and where did you get it from? Uh?
The first time I smoked cannabis. I was in the
third grade and smoked too with my dad and my
uncle and my brother. What was that a ritual? Was
it just something random? YEA, like here we go, man,
we're about that happened. There was a football game on
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and me and my brother were behind there catching exhale
and watching the football game when we were supposed to
be in bed, And so my dad snatched us up,
brought us forward and said, all right, you little fuckers,
if you're gonna smoke, you're gonna smoke. Don't be still
in my my weed. And uh. From that point, my
brother was the first one to smoke. He didn't get
beat up, and so I'm like, okay, shoot, I'm gonna
do it too. Then from there it was history, and
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there it was alright. Question number two of the Canvas
Top one on one high five, what is your favorite
way to use cannabis? My favorite waves through my bomb.
But it's from the bomb. Hold on, it's not just
the bong. I had a little conversation, so tell tell
us a bit about the bomb. Well, it's a custom
made one from Blaze one and it has an ice
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trap in the top and then it has a nug
jar off to the side so I could put the
weed in there admire it while I'm smoking it. I
filtered it through the water, through the ice, and I
get cool hits and and like a cold hits. Yeah,
Turpin's come through. I like a clean bong. I don't
like dirty bongs. That's bad. You know what. There's a
big difference, by the way, Big Jake, there is a
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big difference between a clean and a dirty bombs. Number
three of the High five Craziest place You've ever used
or smoked cannabis? The craziest place you ever used or
smoked cannabis? Had a truck stop in the Bayou, and uh,
I was over by off in the cuts in Louisiana
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and heard a gator wrestle in the in the woods
and about ship myself took off running. Nothing better than now,
I'll tell you what, though, that's the first I've ever
heard someone says next to a game. That's definitely a first.
Definitely heard a lot of people with shipping themselves. So yeah,
I was on the run. I can see that, all right.
Question number four of the Cannabis Talk one on one
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High five, what is your go to MUNCHIESE? After you
get hot pizza. Probably pizza that went there was some
like a small pizza eater too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's
what it is. No ny pie. That's how you get
it in a good n y pie. What kind of pizza?
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What do you get on top of it? Uh, extra garlic, ricotta, pepperoni, mushrooms.
You know the white question number five of the high
five with Big Jake out here in beautiful Long Beach.
If you could smoke cannabis with anyone dead or alive,
who would it be? And why? Theodore Roosevelt? Okay, why
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because he's a badass. And he said he's talking to
the MinC because he's a badass. Everything that he was
about was it was a badass. And he said, uh,
speak softly, carry a big stick. I think he'd be
someone fun to get high with and talk to. I
like that theory right there, Mr Roosevelt. I mean that's
a good one. So so while we were on break,
you were talking about another project and you know, um,
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it's slipped my memory. Get to slip yours too. What's
looking at you? Like? What are you talking about? No? No, yeah,
we were talking about No, we've we've talked about several
projects we talked about that. We were talking about the
one to bring it back up. We talked about the bricks, right,
but you said you wanted to bring up another one
right when we broke on the last break and I
and I walked to the back and I was it
wasn't pet therapy, Oh the pet? Well, Well, we talk
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cover they Roscoe. We covered Roscoe out to Roscoe, man,
that dog is beautiful. Joe's you know, jumping in on.
He's like, what's going on? Roscoe? Roscoe p Coldrane right,
Roscoe told just a good old boy. So is there
anything else that we that we forgot that you want
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to talk about? You know? I think it really is
just kind of understanding and and finding those connections with
these groups that are out here. Uh, it takes a
village to get it done. Everything that I talked about
that I say, hey, we've accomplished or we're accomplishing. There's
thousands of people behind that moment that actually brought it
to life. It wasn't because I was that cool or anything.
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It's because we're blessed to have the right people doing
the right things. And I think if you're gonna be
if you're gonna be out there and you're gonna say
you're about something, then you really need to be about it.
We need to see where this stuff is going. There
needs to be that understanding that something's actually being changed,
not that it's nebulous and you don't know where the
money went and you don't know who's getting it done. Sure,
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you know, we we say something around like within our
inner circle, we talk about you know, the fortunes and
the follow up, right, Um, you know, don't forget who
brought you to the dance. If you don't care, then
you can't be a part of our team. Right. And
then once your mind expands from its original form, it
will never come back. And so when you start to
you know, deal with those kind of uh, you know,
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languages within your inner circle, I think people understand that
there's growth, there's opportunity, and you could find something special
within that, you know, and it doesn't come from just
one person. It takes a village, like you said, And
so you know, um, I love that you share that
because you can't ever forget your team. You know, when
you forget your team is when you start to realize
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that you end up being alone again, you know, And
We've all been alone at some point in our lives,
and you know, the feeling is just not quite the same.
You know, often tell my team if I'm the coolest
person in the room, we got a problem. Yeah, well
Mark doesn't feel that way. Mark never Mark actually claims it.
He's actually like, I'm the coolest guy. We all know
who we are. Yeah, yes, yes, yes, what I pulled up?
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He goes, Joe, thank you for coming here, because everybody
now will finally stop asking me for pictures now that
you're here. Well, they can't get off every Joe. Yeah. Well,
we want to give us special thanks to Catalyst uh
for for helping propel this thing Man Harvest for Heroes,
Blacklist Imercia. They've done a fantastic job. Guys. I mean,
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this is something that you know, you don't get to
do all the time. And it's a beautiful, beautiful day
in Long Beach, California. I'm sitting there smoking joints, doing
a show, educating people, having a good time. I mean,
I hope this is a glimpse into the real future. Well,
this is a glimpse to on what other cities and
people need to do to push more for the veterans
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out there, and this type of foundation that Long Beach
is supporting is what's really key, because in my opinion,
that's the biggest factor here, is doing things for these veterans.
And I'm I'm glad to be a part of it,
absolutely and met vets. Guys, you know, tell me last thing.
I really, you know, if you had to look at
what your mission really is, tell us what your mission is,
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big Jake. My mission is to use the tools that
are in front of me, county by county to help
veterans help themselves, their communities, and their families so that
they can get their self up straight, pointing the right
direction and plug them into the right people. The people
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that do those things they specialize. I'm gonna get to
know them and they're gonna be a part of what
we do. And so when that happens, rather than me
being that, it's it's put them where they need to go,
play them where they need to help and get it done.
Because there's a lot more people needing help than help
needing people. I love that well said very well said,
Well there it is, guys, it's cannabis talk one on
one and remember this, if no one else loves you.
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Alongside of me are the world famous Pot Brothers at Law,
Mark and Craig Wasserman and Mr Joe Grande. Yeah. Blue,
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we're in Long Beach, live outside. It's a beautiful thing, man,
it's a beautiful thing. Shout out to Rocket Seeds. Yeah,
that's yeah. Yeah man. So we got a fantastic show
for you today. Jake, welcome to the show. Thank you.
We can't hear you, thank you, so listen, listen. It's
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you know, it's interesting that we're literally downtown outside in
the middle of Pine and Fifth Street and and Heroes
for Harvest for Heroes, you know, And let me ask
you what part of the industry are you currently in,
because I got some news that you're a vet, that
you're not a vegan, but your wife's a veteran, you
have a family of veterans, and then now you're giving
back to veterans yourself. That's correct. Tell us about it. Well,
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we started med vets back in and foundationalized and at
first it started with the idea of giving cannabis to
vets who needed it to help to mitigate opia dependency.
It was a lot easier back then. It was you know,
we you know, as we went out, a lot of
the farms up there. I'm from the Emerald Triangle and
a lot of the farmers came up and they said, yeah,
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you know what, we'll get behind this. So well, we'll
support and we'll make sure it's going. So back then
we had a collective and and and that's how we
did it. We were able to fund that through the
collective work with the farms, but also set up our
own giveback program. Imagine that without the state involved whatsoever,
we gave it to no one got hurt. Yeah, and
that all stemmed from Prop. To fifteen through Senate Bill
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for twenty and as you were mentioned, operating as a
collective with your memberships and physician recommendations to be able
to defend the charges that would come because it was
still a crime first back then, and you know, we
were defending collectives and cooperatives and patients. Uh since the
beginning when that was happening, and they were still getting arrested.
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But going back to the point, it was so much
easier to give away to the vets. Now, what's the
tell the roadblock talk about the roadblocks that immediately went
up once we switched over to Prop sixty four and
everything else. Well, actually, immediately as soon as the Prop
sixty four happened, it killed all of our donations. The
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people that gave to me. It was because we were close,
we were family type of situation that were given to me.
And and and actually I was turning around to other
veteran brothers who had depended on this medicine, knowing that
I would have something for them, and having to tell
them like, look, they've changed everything. Everything has stopped, you know,
let me help you how I can. But we'll do
what we can where we're at. So what happened is
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is that there was everybody started lobbying for Senate Bill
thirty four, the Dennis Prone and Mary Brownie Mary Act.
And so when they started lobbying for this, they were
able to get it out. But honestly, it's a wet
dog of a bill. It really is, well, since what
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does that bill contained that? And it makes it so
wet dogg is well. I mean, here's a deal. I
have gotten farms who have said, absolutely, we will work
with you. We we we we want to help, we
want to donate, we believe in this. In this way
they can, they can take off their their cultivation tax.
But everybody else along the chain, everybody else that you're
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trying to get in, you have to pay them the
same money. And where we're getting stopped at. And what
had stopped a lot of our movement initially was distribution.
Distribution stopped the ability to take it off the farm
get it into a place. You have to get attested.
By that point, you're better off going to a personal
plant program, buying your own pound of weed and going
and giving it to the guy. It's cheaper and more effective, absolutely,
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And that's but it's hard. People can't just grow their
own I mean they can, but I can't. You know,
I'm not a green thumb. I tried it a couple
of times. I killed things. And it's easier for me
to go get it from the people who know how
to cultivate it and do it right. Now, what is
happening currently with Santa Bell thirty four in your efforts
to give away cannabis to vets, because that's what we're
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talking about here, is just being able to simply give
it away, which the fact that it's difficult is a
big fucking problem. It should it is, it's in my eyes, right,
I mean, uh, you know it should go in with
with healthcare and everything else, and it's not right. And
we're completely ignoring the facts that that veterans and all
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people need this plant. Right, So you know, what's the
the answer, right, what what's the rollout? Right? How can
we educate people to understand what what would make it better? Well,
I think that's a you know, that's a silver bullet
question that that's really a silver bullet type question. You're
trying to find out what could do Well. Ultimately, we're
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gonna need new laws. We're gonna need new legislation that
turns around and allows us to be able to help
veterans more freely get cannabis to the end to the
end zone. If we have to go into a dispensary,
there's there's no reason we shouldn't be able to have
some kind of licensure that says, if you're going for
cancer patients, if you're going for veterans, if you're doing
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compassionate use, and you're doing medical, there's no real reason
that we shouldn't be able to make it toward. It's
like a micro business license to be able to get
it out and to donate through through doctor's offices to
really have a patient collective. Med Vets does a lot
more though than just supplying medicine to patients. There's we
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notice some some opportunities for housings and things like that.
Talk about the other aspects of med vets and how
you help the vets. Well, we're actually right now remodeling
a fifteen thousand, five hundred square foot hospital and Fort
Bragg that had been turned into a bed and breakfast.
It is the Gray Whale, and we also have the
Colonial Inn in Fort Bragg, and with the Colonial Inn
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in Fort Bragg, we are using that as a fundraising
I'm getting a lot of feedback. Yeah, yeah, I'm noticing
that too. I'm wondering if I look at you guys,
I get feedback. If I look at them, it keeps
it going. So I'm wondering who I should be over here.
I'm gonna keep talking. Don't don't look away, let me
do look in a way alright? Cool? You know what's
operation I'm missing? Going back? I want to know what's
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Operation home Front. Operation home Front is going to be
selling bricks on our landscaping so that everybody can have
a piece of this renovation. Businesses can come and sponsors
literally buy a break by a break what's a brick?
Cost goes up from a hundred dollars up. Wow, that's fantastic, dude.
So you can get your name done or all the
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way up to your company's logo done, and we're doing
like fifty bricks or a hundred fifty bricks or a
thousand or or whatever it is. Or you can sponsor
a room in the Gray Whale that we're renovating, gonna
be housing veterans in that. I love that. Man. Now,
where does this this passion come from? I mean, you know, certainly,
like you said, your your wife was a veteran, So
you know, where where does the passion to do this
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come from? Because it's you know, it takes a certain
kind of person to be able to donate their time
and focus on creating opportunity for veterans in medicine. My
uncle Tom came back from Vietnam schizophrenic, and it was
because he had a twelve year old blow his friends
his head off next to him as they were standing
there giving them candy oay um. As he came back,
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I learned as I was out and I had produced
Freedom Fest in Castle Rock, Colorado, UM for the American
Soldier Network. And that's something I also do. I produce events, right.
So the deal is is that as I was doing that,
I was approached about helping veterans. And I came over
and I told my uncle, I said, you know, we're
gonna start giving a veterans cannabis out of our collective
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with prop to fifteen. I'm gonna help these guys. I
think it's a good thing. And he disclosed to me
he had been walking for three years because his car
had broken down. He was too proud to tell anyone,
and he was saving his his money on his fixed income,
but he couldn't give up his anti psychotics and his cannabis,
so he had to save every penny he could. He
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had his his medicine down to how many joints he
had per month, and so I told him, I said,
you know what, Uncle, I said, I'm gonna work with
a lot of people and we're gonna help so the
guys like you can always have access. Oh man, I
I appreciate that. That's uh that you know, it's a
great story. And I and I know you know a
lot of you know, I have veterians in my family
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as well. And you know, my uncle, Um Jose died
here in Long Beach, um maybe minutes from here, schizophrenic
and uh, a Vietnam veteran and uh, you know, went
through a lot of drugs. He had his stomach blown
off in in um in the in Vietnam, and uh,
you know, he went through a lot of dark times
and right here in Long Week. So it's it's it's
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kind of I just got the cheals listening to your
story because it brings it back to the story that I,
you know, have in my own family. My uncle, Um,
you know, there was a time where my father and
I would drive up and down these streets just to
find him, you know, and he lived out here just
on the streets and uh, finally you know, he ended
up passing away. Uh. But you know, I appreciate what
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you're doing for the community, and um, you know, it's
it's a thankless job sometimes, but you know, I think
you're doing the right thing, and I'm it's nice to
be here with you. Then well I would love to continue.
You know, ultimately we work with for profits and nonprofits.
Everything that I can sit here and tellt that we
have done or do is because somebody else has come
forward and believed, because we couldn't have done any of it.
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You know, the Veteran Cannabis Group, these guys right here
have been a glue to bringing us and and so
many people together. You know, they go out there, they lobby,
they fight on and in suits and ties in different
ways to help. Why we're boot on the ground of
an emerald triangle, we're helping to get it directly to
the people. But it takes a village. Sure sure, well listen, guys,
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Cannabis Talk one on one. We'll be right back after
this break. We'll be right back with Cannabis Talk one
oh one. Welcome back to Cannabis Talk one oh one.
Welcome back to Cannabis Talk one on one. Harvest for
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Heroes right here in Long Beach, guys Pine Street. It's
going down real big guys. I want to take a
second to give a shout out to Rocket Seeds, G
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going down. White Angel Farms is in the House of
Mercia Catalysts. Steezy is in the building. Stizzy is a
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Dizzy or Stezy. I've heard it both ways, but I'll
say Stizzy. The Blacklist, Veterans, Cannabis Group, Humanity Heroes, Left
Coast Extracts, the Roll Up Show, Loomis, Smoke Deville, and
Mobile Media Kings all helping us out here in Long
Beach Live Cannabis Talk one on one and we are
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with Big Jake and he is doing big things for
the cannabis industry and vets. And you were just talking
about pets, well, pets and pets. So what's the deal
with pets. If you look over there, that's Roscoe. What's up, Roscoe? Roscoe?
Let's go Roscoe. Yes? Good. So you're doing cannabis and pets,
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and I mean, well, the pet therapy. First off, that
is my therapy. Yes, that that is my therapy. That
that guy is my therapy first and foremost. But I disappear.
When I walk into a room full of vets and
other people, I completely blamed out. I don't even matter.
He's being trained for deep pressure therapy for PTSD and anxiety,
so we were we take them around socialize him. But
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the way that I built pet therapy and med vets
was to utilize what already exists. And so we're working
with the Mendocino County UH Coast Humane Society and they
have a huge facility over there and we donate to
them and we're working with them. We're working to get officers,
first responders who trained canines to actually work with our
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men so that they can adopt a dog and have
it trained so if they grab as they come out
of our program, they can walk out and have a
dog that's fully service trained. So I have some questions
because you know, I hear about pet therapy and I
have two dogs, you know, but what does that? What
does it mean? How? You know, somebody goes and they
have some issue, emotional issue or something and a doctor
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or somebody's decided instead of the pills or other other things,
pet therapy, how do how does it work? What is that? So?
The the interesting thing about it is is if you
don't have anything else to depend on you, if you
don't have something that needs you, you can often get
stuck off in your own ways. You have nothing that
requires you to help it, and it it becomes a
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positive codependence. Uh. The other thing is is how many
times you want to tell someone something and you just
know that you can't really get the words out. Roscoe
doesn't judge me. Roscoe doesn't judge me when I'm talking giberation,
I'm going through it and I'm asking him why I'm
crazy at night working all these hours. He comes with
me and he rides on unequivocally. He rides where we're going.
He rides with you no matter what, right right. He
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has no amostes towards any of that. He just rides
with no judgment. I love that. So we just lost
our We just lost our thirteen year old boxer Deuice
and he was the one who went before us him,
but he had a month with him, he had a
month with him before he passed. And then he's the
next generation going with me all over the country. You know,
and a lot of people don't realize that. You know,
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pets are our family members that you know that if
you don't own one, and you haven't, you don't have
that relationship with a pet, especially veterans as well. You know,
it's something that you know, we we all have to
realize that they are family, you know, and these are
real things. So you know, making sure now now you
know where where are you guys based out of the
Guinea Center, Fort Bragg, California. And you know, I forgive
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me for for going back to the bricks man, but
I just find that that's such an interesting model. You know,
you guys are building a property and you can donate
bricks to get yourself a piece of the Yeah, because
it's not about if you really own a nonprofit. If
you really own a nonprofit, you don't own it, right.
It's really you don't really own it, right. So nobody
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ever owned that collective right and and and so what
it is is it's actually built for the community that
I'm in. This is meant to be a duplicate Herble
model in each county. But I'm doing proof of concept
in Fort Bragging, Indocino County, in the heart of the
Emerald Triangle, and I'm bringing fine cannabis to access medicine
to vets alongside of it. Where does all this come
from inside of you? To want to do all of
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this work and tireless? You know, you doing nights weekends.
I'm sure you know. Where Where did it all start for?
I mean, I know this whole thing started you said
in but it didn't start That's when it probably got activated.
And I when did the idea, the concept? Where did
that come from? And when did that hit you? The
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concept hit me when I was approached by another vet
group and I saw them doing everything that I despised
and putting together a group. What did you despise me?
There was no testing, there was no there was no
logical reason to how they were treating these vets. It
was it was a Mickey Mouse cookie cutter club. And
it had no structure to it and no background, and
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so when you look at it, there was no depth
of authenticity. It was about making money. And then and
then when I tried to help them, they couldn't tell
me where the money went. And if you can't tell
me where the money I'm raising goes, and we have
a problem, and you're gonna put my name on it.
And so I spent all that time up to that time,
nobody knew that I smoked cannabis. I kept it to myself.
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I've been smoking we since the third grade. I grew
up in so you know, I'm not a Johnny Come Lately.
There's like, oh, let me just jump into the pot business. No.
I grew up off in it. I grew up with
a hundred bikes in my front yard, you know what
I mean. So this isn't something that I just randomly
was like, you know, maybe I should start a pot business.
I ran a moving company. I went from homeless to
the youngest owner of an international moving company. My number
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one client were veterans. I moved the base commander off
Travis Air Force Base. You know, That's why I got
to know him intimately. I had one of the most
intimate careers in the military you could have, because when
the guy had to go or the mom had to go,
I was there with the kids. I was there with
the family packing them up, and the most important thing
to them, to that guy off and on a plane
was that his family was taken care of. And I
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got to have a piece of that. Wow, that's amazing.
So look at this, gentleman, I'm gonna show yourself he
is pulling it out of his pocket and uh, we
are giving us money. I'm a civilian, but I was
given that challenge coin blue. What is that? Please? This
is beautiful. Wow, it's called a challenge coin. Yeah, I've
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never even seen that. Well, what is a challenge coin?
That's a battalion coin for excellence and Mule Skinner's first calf.
It was earned in battle. I was given it for
excellence in business. That's fantastic, well deserved, well deserved. And
this is a nice heavy piece. It's it's really beautiful,
you know, And that's something to to to think about
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and be said, you know, while we're honoring vets, honoring
you know, gentlemen like this and the families of the vets,
you know who've who have gone through it and are
going through it, and have people like yourself who are
out there helping our Our by laws are written for
vets in their families. Both of my grandpa served in
the war, uh in World War Two. One was a marine,
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one was in the army. One was a chef. One
was a lineman who spoke Navajo because he set up
the lines for the code talkers. So I come from
a long line of military family. And the interesting thing
is is that nobody's ease what happens to the families.
So as a nonprofit, I didn't want it to be
if there's a lady in our community whose husband served
three tours who needs a new roof, that we couldn't
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raise funds and help her too. She served as much
as he did because she was there taking care of
that family, their battle buddies. Right. Yeah, Well, guys, when
we come back more with Big Jake, we're gonna do
the high five. Ready for that? Yes, they you know
what the high five is. Now you're gonna have to educate.
Gonna you'll get educated. Yes, man, it's Cannabis Talk one
(18:30):
oh one. We'll be right back after this break. We'll
be right back with Cannabis Talk one oh one. Welcome
back to Cannabis Talk one oh one. Take a hit,
get lit, and sit back and enjoy Cannabis Talk one
(18:54):
o one. Mark and Craig could I said, Cannabis Talk
one oh thanks, coming up, But I get it more.
I do it well. The biggest Turkey of all sat
right next to me and joined us. I am so
glad you're here, Joe, just in time for my favorite
part of the show, the Cannabis talk one on one
High five with Big Jake. Big Jake, it's a pleasure.
(19:16):
I'm sorry I missed the first two segments with you,
but uh, the guy said, you're great, and I hope
that chair is okay too for you. We're gonna get
me a chair made eventually. But this thing, Big Jake,
we need a better chair for this guy. You know
you're a little Joe now, yeah, Big you feel like
Wow Joe. They know Big Jake's in the field. Well, guys,
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we are all the way live in Long Beach on
Pine and Fifth Street. Guys, believe or not. Harvest for heroes,
shut down the whole entire blocktub block, toub block for
our veterans out here. Shout out to our veterans, Man
for cannabis and and all the fantastic sponsors and people
that are out here just sharing love. What a great
vibe it is out here. Unbelievable. I just got here
and it's fantastic. Yes, yes, yes, so question number one
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jacoble high five, how old you the first time he
smoked cannabis and where did you get it from? Uh?
The first time I smoked cannabis. I was in the
third grade and smoked too with my dad and my
uncle and my brother. What was that a ritual? Was
it just something random? YEA, like here we go, man,
we're about that happened. There was a football game on
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and me and my brother were behind there catching exhale
and watching the football game when we were supposed to
be in bed, And so my dad snatched us up,
brought us forward and said, all right, you little fuckers,
if you're gonna smoke, you're gonna smoke. Don't be still
in my my weed. And uh. From that point, my
brother was the first one to smoke. He didn't get
beat up, and so I'm like, okay, shoot, I'm gonna
do it too. Then from there it was history, and
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there it was alright. Question number two of the Canvas
Top one on one high five, what is your favorite
way to use cannabis? My favorite waves through my bomb.
But it's from the bomb. Hold on, it's not just
the bong. I had a little conversation, so tell tell
us a bit about the bomb. Well, it's a custom
made one from Blaze one and it has an ice
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trap in the top and then it has a nug
jar off to the side so I could put the
weed in there admire it while I'm smoking it. I
filtered it through the water, through the ice, and I
get cool hits and and like a cold hits. Yeah,
Turpin's come through. I like a clean bong. I don't
like dirty bongs. That's bad. You know what. There's a
big difference, by the way, Big Jake, there is a
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big difference between a clean and a dirty bombs. Number
three of the High five Craziest place You've ever used
or smoked cannabis? The craziest place you ever used or
smoked cannabis? Had a truck stop in the Bayou, and uh,
I was over by off in the cuts in Louisiana
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and heard a gator wrestle in the in the woods
and about ship myself took off running. Nothing better than now,
I'll tell you what, though, that's the first I've ever
heard someone says next to a game. That's definitely a first.
Definitely heard a lot of people with shipping themselves. So yeah,
I was on the run. I can see that, all right.
Question number four of the Cannabis Talk one on one
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High five, what is your go to MUNCHIESE? After you
get hot pizza. Probably pizza that went there was some
like a small pizza eater too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's
what it is. No ny pie. That's how you get
it in a good n y pie. What kind of pizza?
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What do you get on top of it? Uh, extra garlic, ricotta, pepperoni, mushrooms.
You know the white question number five of the high
five with Big Jake out here in beautiful Long Beach.
If you could smoke cannabis with anyone dead or alive,
who would it be? And why? Theodore Roosevelt? Okay, why
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because he's a badass. And he said he's talking to
the MinC because he's a badass. Everything that he was
about was it was a badass. And he said, uh,
speak softly, carry a big stick. I think he'd be
someone fun to get high with and talk to. I
like that theory right there, Mr Roosevelt. I mean that's
a good one. So so while we were on break,
you were talking about another project and you know, um,
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it's slipped my memory. Get to slip yours too. What's
looking at you? Like? What are you talking about? No? No, yeah,
we were talking about No, we've we've talked about several
projects we talked about that. We were talking about the
one to bring it back up. We talked about the bricks, right,
but you said you wanted to bring up another one
right when we broke on the last break and I
and I walked to the back and I was it
wasn't pet therapy, Oh the pet? Well, Well, we talk
(23:45):
cover they Roscoe. We covered Roscoe out to Roscoe, man,
that dog is beautiful. Joe's you know, jumping in on.
He's like, what's going on? Roscoe? Roscoe p Coldrane right,
Roscoe told just a good old boy. So is there
anything else that we that we forgot that you want
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to talk about? You know? I think it really is
just kind of understanding and and finding those connections with
these groups that are out here. Uh, it takes a
village to get it done. Everything that I talked about
that I say, hey, we've accomplished or we're accomplishing. There's
thousands of people behind that moment that actually brought it
to life. It wasn't because I was that cool or anything.
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It's because we're blessed to have the right people doing
the right things. And I think if you're gonna be
if you're gonna be out there and you're gonna say
you're about something, then you really need to be about it.
We need to see where this stuff is going. There
needs to be that understanding that something's actually being changed,
not that it's nebulous and you don't know where the
money went and you don't know who's getting it done. Sure,
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you know, we we say something around like within our
inner circle, we talk about you know, the fortunes and
the follow up, right, Um, you know, don't forget who
brought you to the dance. If you don't care, then
you can't be a part of our team. Right. And
then once your mind expands from its original form, it
will never come back. And so when you start to
you know, deal with those kind of uh, you know,
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languages within your inner circle, I think people understand that
there's growth, there's opportunity, and you could find something special
within that, you know, and it doesn't come from just
one person. It takes a village, like you said, And
so you know, um, I love that you share that
because you can't ever forget your team. You know, when
you forget your team is when you start to realize
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that you end up being alone again, you know, And
We've all been alone at some point in our lives,
and you know, the feeling is just not quite the same.
You know, often tell my team if I'm the coolest
person in the room, we got a problem. Yeah, well
Mark doesn't feel that way. Mark never Mark actually claims it.
He's actually like, I'm the coolest guy. We all know
who we are. Yeah, yes, yes, yes, what I pulled up?
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He goes, Joe, thank you for coming here, because everybody
now will finally stop asking me for pictures now that
you're here. Well, they can't get off every Joe. Yeah. Well,
we want to give us special thanks to Catalyst uh
for for helping propel this thing Man Harvest for Heroes,
Blacklist Imercia. They've done a fantastic job. Guys. I mean,
(26:19):
this is something that you know, you don't get to
do all the time. And it's a beautiful, beautiful day
in Long Beach, California. I'm sitting there smoking joints, doing
a show, educating people, having a good time. I mean,
I hope this is a glimpse into the real future. Well,
this is a glimpse to on what other cities and
people need to do to push more for the veterans
(26:43):
out there, and this type of foundation that Long Beach
is supporting is what's really key, because in my opinion,
that's the biggest factor here, is doing things for these veterans.
And I'm I'm glad to be a part of it,
absolutely and met vets. Guys, you know, tell me last thing.
I really, you know, if you had to look at
what your mission really is, tell us what your mission is,
(27:05):
big Jake. My mission is to use the tools that
are in front of me, county by county to help
veterans help themselves, their communities, and their families so that
they can get their self up straight, pointing the right
direction and plug them into the right people. The people
(27:25):
that do those things they specialize. I'm gonna get to
know them and they're gonna be a part of what
we do. And so when that happens, rather than me
being that, it's it's put them where they need to go,
play them where they need to help and get it done.
Because there's a lot more people needing help than help
needing people. I love that well said very well said,
Well there it is, guys, it's cannabis talk one on
one and remember this, if no one else loves you.
(27:47):
We do. Thank you for listening to Cannabis Talk one
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