March 31, 2025 • 49 mins
The PM ditches modelling which underpins Labor’s energy and climate agenda, a new campaign urges Labor voters to put the Greens last. Plus, the Coalition’s official spokesman on how things are progressing.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Peter Kranbler live on Sky News Australia.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Good evening, Welcome to the program. The first full week
of the federal election campaign. We're kicking up the special
five weeks of coverage political coverage here on Krevlin. Here's
what's coming out this evening. A slide bump in the
polls for Labor This is news poll. The coalitions are
head in the Resolve poll and it's another nil or
draw in the others. The poles are going to come
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thick and fast. So what do you make of them?
All the rest analyst analysts in the business dead A Shanahan,
Chris Yelman coming up to pull them apart. Let's stay
two on campaign mechanics. Each Monday night for the next
five weeks, we're going to cross live to the coalition's
campaign headquarters for an exclusive chat with a HQ's official spokesman,
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Senator James Patterson. We'll also talk to him today on
that latest shooting in Melbourne involving one of Labour's released
foreign criminals. The energy blame game, it's gone up a notch.
The Prime Minister now disowning the modeling that underpins his
entire energy and climate agenda. Albanezi says this modeling separate
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from the government. The thing is we've got the tapes
to prove otherwise, and that damning admission today that the
Prime Minister very quickly tried to take back.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
If you ask me, do you rule out governing and
coalition with the Greens, she answered that is no.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
But first I've always said the polls are a good
guide to how you're going, but not always a good
guide as to what you should do, often because poles
tend to be a lagging indicator. So no surprises. There's
a drop today in Newsport because, as you've heard me
say here, the coalition attacks slowed down in recent weeks.
Now I felt it, you told me you felt it,
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and here it is now reflected in one of the
newspaper polls. But as I've also said in a can
and Pain polling, it's going to bounce around, and that
I tend to focus on not what the bounds is,
but the trend. And further than that, once the election
campaign is officially called, as it was last Friday, then
things will inevitably tighten, so that the last thing any
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coalition supporters should do now it's panic just because the momentum.
We know the Opposition lost over the past couple of
weeks has shown up in the polls. Now, why do
I say that? Or primarily because the fundamentals have not changed.
There's still a cost of living crisis in this country
and it's still Anthony Albanesi's fault. Now, can the Coalition
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do a better job helping Australians to understand who's responsible
for this pain? Well, you bet they can by simply
and repeatedly stating the facts by hitting harder because people
are hurting and they're angry, and they've got a right
to be angry on this government's watch. And added of
livings dropped eight percent. That's the worst drop of anywhere
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in the developed world. And it's being driven by Labour's
mad energy policy that's putting power prices through the roof,
by Labour's spending addiction that's keeping mortgage rates higher than
they should be for longer, and by Labour's love of
Big Australia. Because it's Albanesi's record immigration that's depressing wages,
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hiking housing costs and clogging out roads. It is Labour's
green left ideology that's made your life harder and it
will only get worse. Souve Albanese is re elected and
dependent on the Greens to keep his job. Today, the
Prime Minister made his first campaign stumble, I.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Rule out, I rule out. Just to be really clear again,
if you ask me, do you rule out governing and
coalition with the Greens, she answered that is no. No
is no. I don't negotiate with the.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Now. If Labor was serious about repudiating the Greens, they
would be last on Labour's how the votes. But they'll
never be last because Albanezy knows that he needs the
Green preferences to survive that without adding bands, he and
Jody wouldn't get their wedding on the lawns of Kiribilly House.
Back to those poles, let's take a closer look, because
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they're actually a bit of a mixed bag. News poll
as I've already flagged published in Australia and has Labor
hair head on two party preferred terms fifty one forty
nine in the Sydney Morning Herald. The resolved pole there, well,
it's got both majors tied fifty to fifty over at
the Austraight and Financial Review, the AFAR their poll. The
fresh water pole, well, it's got the coalition a head
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fifty one forty nine. Now all of these poles is
an error on the screen, it's the other way around.
All of these poles, i might add, are within the
margin of era. So as a campaigner, it's not so
much these poles I'd be worried about, but the one
that will come next week. After spending billions and billions
in the budget last Tuesday, what's clear in these polls
is that there's no budget bounce for the government. Indeed,
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it's fair to say the budget's flopped, with voters only
twenty two percent saying it would be good for the economy.
Now that's the worst budget result for any budget since
that question was first asked in nineteen ninety nine. Apart
from immigration, if there's one issue that will swing the election,
it's energy because energy is a core subset of cost
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of living. Cost of living is the government's supreme weakness,
and on energy policy will labor a.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Liars reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
By twenty twenty five two hundred and seventy five dollars
a year.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
One hundred and seventy five dollars a year will get.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Power prices down by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
A year, two hundred and seventy five dollars the average house.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
And they made the promise in the last election campaign
on the basis of what Albernese said here at the time.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Is the most comprehensive modeling ever done for any policy
by any opposition in Australia's history since Federation.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Back then, Labor pretty happy to warn the modeling, weren't they,
even when it challenged Anthony Albanesi just doubled down.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
What is it about this new policy, is that the
grid investment or something else that actually generates that two
seventy five dollars benefit.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Well, I don't think I know. I know because we
have done the modeling.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I don't think I know not anymore. Here's the PM
pulled up of his broken power promise, insisting Labor had
nothing to do now with that.
Speaker 6 (06:58):
Modeling Texas modeling, that was what you base your policies on.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
It's Repitexas model co ownership of that modeling it's reputexes modeling.
From that time, reputex modeling was reputext modeling that they
put out.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
What a week week man Any wonder too. We haven't
barely seen Chris Bowen since the election was called. He's
in witness protection, isn't he? Because this is the modeling
that he and Labor used to justify the fantasy claim
that moving to eighty two percent renewables would somehow create
over half a million jobs, six hundred thousand jobs, says
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the modeling. Well, that's now all junked. Still, it hasn't
stopped Labor making new claims based on this modeling, this
time that Peter Dutton's nuclear policy would be more expensive
than Labour's renewables only policy. Today, Peter Dutton was repeatedly
challenged on this by an aggressive media pack, but eventually
he got the answer right. Basically, how can you trust
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any Labor model given the previous lies?
Speaker 7 (08:03):
This morning, when Chris Bowen has released some analysis from
the Department of Climate Change and Energy saying that you're
modeling significantly underestimates costs, including maintenance in terms of life extensions,
and say.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Well, the modeling has been out there for months and
months and months, and so I wouldn't take Chris Bowen
at his word on anything. Chris Bowen, along with the
Prime Minister, promise at power prices had come down by
two hundred and seventy five dollars. They've gone up by
thirteen hundred dollars. So do you think that he can
be trusted? I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
There's going to be a lot of defeat in this
campaign in an attempt to bury those broken promises, like
this claim from the Prime Minister that power prices had
fallen some twenty five percent last year.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
In twenty twenty four, power prices fell twenty five point
two percent. They would have fallen just one point six
percent without rebate.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Now what he didn't tell you, did it was that
confirmation in his own budget papers know less that but
for federal and state subsidies, your power bill would be forty
five percent higher. That's six point eight billion dollars in
power bill subsidies from your pocket as a federal taxpayer alone.
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Add in the state subsidies and it's even higher. Surely,
any half sensible government we change the policy that's causing
the bills to spike, rather than subsidize them to deal
with the price surge the government itself has caused, but
not labor, and it's only going to get worse if
Labour slides back into office. If Chris Bowen stays on
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as our Energy Minister, along with his new mate Mat Kean,
we're in trouble. We know the government's already renegged on
an earlier promise to give us the new twenty thirty
five emissions targets before we vote, and we're not going
to see them now, nor are they going to give
us an answer on the massive Northwest Shelf energy project.
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All they'll say is that their new emissions targets will
be ambitious at the same time as we know the
rest of the big emitters around the world, or they're
walking away from any targets. I mean, these clowns in
Labor are doubling down on failure instead of changing course.
If re elected, they'll ban all domestic gas use. They'll
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ban coal and gas exports. Plus they'll cull the national
cattlehurn due to meet thane gas, as well as force
you to drive an ev whether you want to or not. Now,
this is the nightmare facing Australia if Albaneze is re elected.
So to all those people willing Peter it upon to
do better, and no doubt swamping him with free and
good advice, I get it. I get it. But having
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been there in the eye of the storm, as they
get off his back and let him get on with it,
I'm sure in coming days he'll simplify and amplify the message.
He'll go harder. If he doesn't, he won't get there.
And he knows what's at stake. Believe me he does.
But do everyone who wants to change a government, I
say this to you, don't don't just tell Peter Darton
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what he needs to do and say to change the government,
We've all got to get out there ourselves. We're going
to tell our mates and our neighbors, our children, our workmates,
because it's all up to us too to help voters
understand what's at stake for our country. Now, no one
thought we could beat the Voice You did, I did.
We believe we could. We fought it and we won
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against the odds. We won. Well, it's the same here
all over again. If we learned one thing from the
Voice vote, it was this, the power of the silent
majority is there if we speak up, I'll tell you
what Australia. Now, it's our time to roar all right,
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as we do in every federal election campaign each night
here on Sky about this time we're going to cross
to as Sky News journalist on the road with both
the Prime Minister and the opposition leader. The PM, well
he's in the air right now, but here's our reporter,
Reuben Spargo with this.
Speaker 8 (12:10):
Report flying to Western Australia. The Prime Minister distanced himself
from his opponent and left behind energy policy models he
once championed.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
He is the most comprehensive modeling ever done for any
policy by any opposition in Australia's history.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
Do you stand by that modeling?
Speaker 9 (12:32):
It's reputexas modeling.
Speaker 8 (12:34):
Joining w A Premier Roger Cook, Anthony Abernezi promised two
hundred million dollars to upgrade this hospital in the electorate
of Hasluck. It's one of the four seats taken from
the Liberals at the last election. The Prime Minister is
keen to hold on time.
Speaker 10 (12:50):
Anthony Aberzi's campaign was interrupted by a Chinese spy ship
in Australia's Exclusive Economic Zone, looking a similar route to.
Speaker 8 (13:01):
The country's deep sea submarine cable.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
I would prefer that it wasn't there, but we live
in circumstances where Justice Australia has vessels in South China
Sea and vessels in the Taiwan Strait and a round
of a range of areas. This vessel is there.
Speaker 8 (13:18):
Beijing's move could fuel Peter Dutton's tough stance on national
security and accelerate his political momentum.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
We get someone who knows what they're doing.
Speaker 8 (13:30):
Ruben Spargo, Sky News, Canberra.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
All right, as I said, Pem is in the air.
That's why we got that as a pre record before
they took to the skies. But let's now check him
in the Opposition leader's campaign. Joining me now from the
federal seat of Brisbane, one of our parliament House team,
Cam Reddin. Well, this is your first campaign on the road.
You're on the bus, you're on the plane with the
opposition leader. Of course you're in Brisbane because he's preparing
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for his pub test tonight with Paul Murray. But earlier
today the marginal seat of Patterson, a lot of focus
here on energy can.
Speaker 11 (14:06):
Yeah, no surprise to see why, Peter, because it really
is the heart of the coalition's campaign that core promise
of reducing power bills not just the households, but for
businesses too. We were at a factory today which deals
with heavy mining machinery, so clearly one of the big
input costs for them, or one of the big costs
on doing business for them, is the price of energy.
Peter Dutton and I will say this is a broader
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point too. I think the electorate broadly that we've been
to around Brisbane, Sydney, not a great deal of time
in the suburbs yet. But the observation i'd make Peter
is the electorate is pretty switched on this time. Most
of the people we've spoken to a good couple of
dozen over the last few days at least very aware
the election's on, very tuned in, aware of some of
the major policies of the leaders. And it's no surprise
that almost every person we talk to the cost of
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living comes up, but particularly power prices and the impost
of energy, whether they're running a business or at home.
So it's no surprise Peter Dutton has run almost a
single issue campaign at least over the first three days
of this. We will expect more grilling over the days ahead, Peter.
When it comes to the fine print, we know the
Coalition doesn't want to make the same, in its view
mistake as labor of promising a two dollars two hundred
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and seventy five dollar reduction, putting a dollar figure on it,
I promise, they fear they might not be able to keep.
So they're talking about percentages now, a percentage increase of
how much people's bills will come down. In terms of
measuring sticks. If the Coalition wins well in March next year,
we get a default market offer, that's the cap on
electricity prices, the maximum someone can be charged. So Peter
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Dutton's target really will be.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
To get that down.
Speaker 11 (15:35):
I think by then that's when we'll know if he's
able to get those prices down, because clearly it's proven
difficult for this government.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Any intel cam on where you'll be tomorrow.
Speaker 11 (15:49):
Ah jeez, if I knew that, Peter, I'd love to know.
I mean, one of these the facts about these campaigns
is yes, the security detail is tight. I mean it
only got tighter after what we saw on Saturday with
two protests, somehow managing to crash two Dutton events into
space of about three hours, but no, these are some
of the tightly held secrets. I'm surprised that nobody has
been to Melbourne yet, neither Peter Dutton or the Prime Minister.
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So I'd be very surprised if we weren't there in
the next couple of days. As we continue this lap
around the country, Peter, we're often running and bracking up
the kilometers.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Well enjoy as you rightly say there, Victoria's the battleground,
particularly for the Coalition. They've got to win big in
the my home states, so they've got a big in Melbourne.
We'll watch that closely. Thanks cam Well, let's got out
of the flood of poles over the past twenty four hours.
It will start with the Australians Years poll. It confirms
what I said was my sense of things on the ground.
There's been a loss of momentum in recent weeks for
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the Coalition and that's what's been reported today that over
the past three weeks there's been a one percentage point
bumped to Labour's primary and a concominant two percentage point
drop for the Coalition. Now in the nine papers resolved
poll has seen a bigger boost to Labour's primary. It
was those sitting at a mega twenty nine percent, but
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not enough to give it the lead. I think that
one's coming out a resolved poll fifty to fifty now
two PP terms and over on the Freshwater poll, this
one's got Labour inching up by one point to a
thirty two primary, the Coalition unchanged at a thirty nine
percent primary, meaning on two PP it's fifty one forty
nine to the Coalition. So a direct reversal of what
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News poll's reporting. Joined me now to discuss all of
the ins and outs here National editor at The Australian
Dennish Anahan and Sky News contributor Chris Yulman. Dennis, I
will preface this and say that all of these polls
are within the margin of era. But I mean I
do favorite News poll and it confirms that sends you
and I have discussed here on the show that there's
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been a loss of momentum for the coalition. That's very
much due I think to Labor calling off the election
heading in to cyclone out Alfred and I didn't get
a sense that the Coalition had a plan then to
fill the next couple of weeks before the official kickoff.
We've had that official kickoff. We're into the first official week.
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Give us your read.
Speaker 12 (18:13):
Well.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
I think that the polls. One interesting thing about the
poles is how uniform they are. They are all saying
it's very tight. They're all saying, as you would expect
at the beginning of an election campaign, an improvement for
the government. This is one of the advantages of incumbency.
We've just come off the back of a budget, so yes,
you would expect that there would be a lift in
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support for labor. The Coalition did lose momentum. I think
Peter Dutton put a bit of juice back into the
tank when he suggested harving petrol excize, so there was
a bit of a boost there. Certainly within the Parliamentary
Liberal Party there was a bit of a feeling that
they had started to get back on track. So I
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think overall the polls are telling us exactly what we're
thought for the last three years, or at least the
last eighteen months, and that is the campaign is going
to decide the election that people are switched on. That
there may be a number of people who have made
up their decision, made up their mind, they know who
they're going to vote for. So this is going to
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be a very tight and difficult to predict campaign. I
think we've seen them start where you would expect. Anthony
Alberanez attacking Peter Dutton at every opportunity and mentioning medicare
at every second opportunity, whereas Peter Dutton is pushing on energy,
particularly energy prices and gas. So I think all pretty
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much as we would expect, and it'll be very interesting
to see the polls week by week over the next
five weeks.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Pull apart energy in the moment. But Chris Jyellman, I mean,
the budget was only last Tuesday. We're not even a
week out from the budget. They spent hundreds of billions
of dollars and they haven't even got a dead cat
bounce according to news poll. I mean forty six percent
of those survey that SE's about half, so they've got
no idea of it'll be good for the economy. A
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lot's say it won't be either, no.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
Peter, But if you look at the poles, you can
say within the margin of era that nothing much has
changed since the last election. And I'm told and now
in the Albanez's feeling fairly confident and I've thought for
a long time the most likely outcome of this election
is the minority Labor government. I'll tell you why. Labor
only needs to lose one percent across a uniform basis
across the country in order to lose its majority. But
in order for the Coalition to form a minority government,
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a minority government, it's got to get a three point
five percent swing to it. In order for it to
govern in its own right, it's got to getting a
swing in excess of five percent. Now, that would be
an historically large swing. So I still think, looking at
all the polls, the most likely the outcome is a
minority labor government.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
But it's not written.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
Everyone has said that this campaign is going to be important.
I do think that there's a very big soft vote
out there, at least that's what the pulses tell us.
But I think that the undercurrent of all of this
is Trump Predator's presidency. I think that Donald Trump is
unsettling the world. People are looking to what's gone wrong
with the campaign for the Coalition. I think that incumbents
now and particularly we're seeing this in Canada, are doing
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well out of Trump as the US president.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Let's go to the point that he was pushed on
today Dennis a Prime minister about entering into a coalition
with the Greens. I played that comment a little bit earlier.
I mean he's not going to be able to rule
it out. It'll come back to haunt him like Gillard's famous.
So we know carbon taxon or a government I lead
pledge because it's every likelihood on these polls he'll need
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Adam band to survive.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Oh yeah, Look the Prime minister's playing with words. It's
a bit like before they change the tax saying ehi.
There are no plans at this stage. The Prime Minister
said today and he said it previously he will not
go into a coalition with the Greens. That he's not
going to sign an agreement. He's not going to be
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in partnership with the Greens. But does that mean he's
going to refuse to take Green support if he needs
Adam Bant to actually become prime minister again? Of course not.
And is he going to put the Greens last in
the various seats. Of course not, because if he puts
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the Greens last, labor tends to lose. Now, that doesn't
mean he doesn't want to fight the Greens. He's fighting
the Greens tooth and nail, particularly in Brisbane, two possibly
three seats there Labour wants to get back from the Greens.
Melbourne another issue for the Greens, but all of the
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seats are being played about by various other issues, including
Gaza and Palestine, particularly in Melbourne. Also the reaction to
the budget. It was strong among stronger amongst younger voters,
which you would expect for Labor, but that still doesn't
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mean that they're going to get a shift from younger voters,
from younger Green voters to the Labor Party. So it's
all about who can win in particular seats and it's
not about nationwide views. The Prime Minister today said, oh no,
those pesky preferences. They're not a matter for me. They're
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a matter for the party organizational wing. The other one's
got bells on it PM. So yes, we are going
to see a fight, a fight between the Greens and
the Labor in particular seats, but ultimately, if it means
government and to the Albernes will accept Green votes.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
I want to underscore the fact that it is it
is cost of living in daylight that's turning votes in
this election. Campaign, and overwhelmingly the issue on cost of
living comes down to power prices because everyone pays them.
Everyone pays a power bill and it's a huge input cost,
particularly for small business. Let's listen to the Prime Minister
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now about his own energy modeling and what he said
to support that modeling. Not so long ago, our.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Energy policy offering us all out there reprotect modeling, was
reprotect modeling that they put out our policy.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Policy and yeah, eight target.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Why are they still your targets? I hope when you
get the chance on the on the next, on the
next leg where I assume you'll be following around to
ask what he's twenty thirty target is. This is the
most comprehensive modeling ever done for any policy by any
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opposition in Australia's history since Federation.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Chris yeomen.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
Well, Peter, Let's get this straight right, Labor commissioned that modeling.
That modeling would not exist unless the Labor Party paid
for it. It was the basis of its entire energy plan.
It's like a father saying, ooh, where did that kiddie
come from? And by the way, they clung to the
corpse of that policy. As energy prices continue to rise.
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In twenty twenty two, they continue to say there'd be
a two hundred and seventy five dollars cut. In twenty
twenty three, they said that there would be a cut
in twenty twenty four. They said it. As far as
I know, Chris Bowen has never actually repudiated that two
hundred and seventy five dollar figure. And as subsidies were applied,
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they then reversed the argument and said, oh, look, we're
taking taxpayers dollars out of your pocket to give back
to you. And now guess what electricity prices have fallen.
You could not make this stuff up. And the other
thing about that modeling was it was dead on arrival.
Through the course of twenty twenty one, anyone who knew
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anything about energy would have been watching the coal price
because of course that really matters on what sets the
price of electricity, because despite what the government keeps saying,
wind and solar the lowest cost electricity generation doesn't set
the electricity price. Because it's a marketplace, the fuel cost
will always matter. The Labour Party modeling locked in eighty
dollars a metric ton, the long run price will guess
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what by the time the modeling was released, it was
at three hundred dollars of a metric ton. By the
time the election was called, it was at four hundred
dollars a metric tun. It had gone over five hundred
dollars by the time the election finished, and yet the
Labour already said that it would be delivered. So I
don't know how you begin to describe something when you
get to this point. You can say something's a spin,
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but I think you need to use a whole other
description about continuing to cling to a policy. And then,
by the way, rebasing things to a subsidy is an
electricity price cut. When you do it for years.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
It's damning. I'll tell you what just before we go,
Dennis Shanahan campaign number, how many for you? What number
of federal campaign is this for you?
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Well, it's thirteen on the trot for the OS, but
I did do a couple of others when I had
Another life, so it's probably about fourteen or fifteen, and
Chris Yeoman.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
I've been doing them every year since two thousand and six.
But like Dennis in Another life back in the nineteen
nineties for the Cambra time, I followed a few then,
so you know, I'll have to sit down and add
things up because wouldn't want to be accused of making
up numbers.
Speaker 9 (28:02):
Peter.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
I just were underscore that point from my viewers at
home that you two gentlemen have got the runs on
the board. You know what you're talking about. Thank you
for joining me tonight, all right after brat Chris Bowen
a massive drag as we know on Labour's vote. Is
that why he's nowhere to be seen as the energy
wars heat up? Plus will go live to the Coalition
HQ for the first exclusive update out of their political
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war room in Paramatta. Welcome back, still to come another
alleged incident with one of Labour's freed at foreign criminals,
and live to the Coalition's Liberal Party HQ. But first,
Australia's largest steelmaker, blue Scope, has back Peter Dutton's election
planned to bring down gas prices, energy of courses. You've
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heard me say, central to this campaign and it's a
big vote. De side of a households and small business
joining me now, Director of Energy Research at the Center
for Independent Studies, Aid Morrison, and thanks for your time.
In addition to blue Scope, we've got manufacturing Australia saying
that the coalition's gas market reforms are in the national interest.
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But interestingly, Squadron Energy, which is owned by Andrew forres Well,
they say it's a waste of money. I think Twiggy
himself he has got egg on his face over green hydrogen.
What's your thoughts here?
Speaker 9 (29:25):
Twiggy certainly would say that it's a waste of money. Unfortunately,
it's about to be his money that gets wasted because
he's committed to the idea that we need to import gas.
He's building a gas import terminal at Port Kembler, and
that's the idea behind that is essentially you get Australia
committed to buying expensive imported gas because when gas is
high cost, and it has to be when you import
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it because you have to liquefy it and then regasify
it again. It's never cheap gas when you import gas.
So it makes his wind farms look a whole lot better.
It also in all the electricity modeling that supports the
investment in transmission line it makes them look a lot
better too. So it puts a huge amount of wind
in the sales of all the investment in wind farms
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and also the regulatory assets like transmission to support them.
So no surprises at all, and that's what Twiggy thinks,
because he's committed to try to get Australia hooked onto
imported gas, which will be expensive gas in the long term.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
This has always been my problem for about fifteen years
with policy in this area aid and going all the
way back to Rudd's CPRS. You know, the first iteration
of the carbon tax way back in two thousand and
nine is that there are a whole lot of grifters
and rent seekers and those with a first mover advantage
who have all backed the renewable energy train of wind
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and solar in particular. Right, So Peter Dutton coming in
and upending things with both gas reform but most particularly
at nuclear power, that blows apart their finance model. It
blows apart their money making machine about what they think
is in Australia's best interest. It's about how much they
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stand to gain from the status quo.
Speaker 9 (31:08):
That's exactly right, and I don't think there's any sensible
way of really overstating that. At the moment, a lot
is being made of there being some sort of huge
pipeline this kind of massive amount of market interest in
investing in renewable energy. That is quite simply not true
at the moment. There is just no private interest in
backing any sort of renewable energy development on its own
two feet. You can see any example that you want.
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I can't find a single example of a major investment
decision that's being made without some sort of underwriting from
a federal or state government. And you can take the
biggest one, the value of the winds wind farm in
the central West Irana res. It's going to have all
its transmission lines built right out to it. It's a
massive nine hundred megawat bohemoth. Still a massive subsidy from
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the capacity investment scheme. We don't know exactly how much
it allowed up to. But it can't get private backing
on its own as well, So there is really no
such thing as any private capital. It is all being
pushed through subsidies at the moment. It is just the
dawn of the era of forever subsidies. There is not
a completely competitive, any sort of competitive market investment that's
driving this a long It's all being driven by government
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policy at the moment. But there are plenty of companies
who are willing to line up in the queue for
subsidies and handouts.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
You are not wrong. I'll come make to batteries a
bit later in the show. Thanks Aiden. Now the Coalition HQ,
it's in the seat of paramount this time, so with
the Edge suburbs of Sydney, we'll go there every Monday night.
Now we're in the campaign proper and we'll catch up
with the Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson, who's also
now been named as official Coalition headquarters campaign spokesman. Well, Senator,
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you are in the war room. I'm delighted to across
to you there tonight. Part of me whish is I
was in there amongst it all, But of course now
I've got a different role as do you. In this
campaign news poll. There'll be a lot of lives out
there scratching their heads today thinking you've had a sluggish start.
What would you say to them.
Speaker 13 (33:00):
You've seen a few of these campaigns yourself, and you
know that these polls go up and down. But actually
to be at the start of the campaign, to be
roughly fifty to fifty in the polls with an incumbent
government in its first term is a remarkable achievement and
it shows that this election is up for grabs, that
we can win this election, but we must win the
campaign and it requires us to get our message out,
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our positive message for making Australia a more prosperous and
secure country, but also reminding Australians of what they've experienced
under the Albanezi government over the last three years. The
worst loss in living standards in Australian history, the worst
loss of living standards in the developed world since the
end of the pandemic. And can Australians really afford another
three years like that? We don't think they can. We
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think we've got a better way.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Talk to me about fighting the dog. I think coalition
and supporters want to know that you will fight down
to every vote, that you will pursue every seat. How's
this sort of feeling in CCHQ. What's coming into you
about the target seats? Is that the case?
Speaker 13 (34:07):
Well, we've got a very ambitious target seat list at
this election, and every month more seats get added to
that list based on data, based on evidence, particularly in
our home state of Victoria Peter where seats we never
dreamed of being competitive in are coming on the target
seat list, and we hear intelligence from the Labor side
that they keep adding seats to their defensive key seat list,
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seats they've always held and never worried about before and
probably took for granted. They're now doubling down and you
can see evidence of that on the social media pages
of some Labor MPs who are pretty low energy and
their approach their electorates in the part. So all of
a sudden turning up to the opening of a car door,
and that tells you everything you need to know about
where this fight will be and where seats are that
we can win.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Talk to me about what's happened over the weekend. A
man was shot by police in Melbourne. He's a former
immigration detainee, one of Labour's released foreign criminals. He's been
out on bail. He was released after that High Court ruling.
I thought you gave a government legislation that it said
it needed well over a year ago now to deal
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with this.
Speaker 13 (35:16):
You're absolutely right, Peter. That's exactly what the Parliament did
at the coalition's urging sixteen months ago. We passed a
preventative Detention Order regime which allowed the government to apply
to the courts to take people off the streets who
are a risked to community safety from this cohort. Now,
this person was apparently on bail, had apparently been bailed
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five times according to reporting in the Herald Sun today,
and is exactly the case study of someone who should
have been off the streets thanks to a preventive detention order.
But neither Tony Burke nor any of his predecessors have
got on their skates and got any of these applications
into the court. And so all of the three hundred
of these people released in the community are free in
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the community and reoffending at an extraord rate. Over one
hundred of them have been charged with new offenses since
they were released from immigration detention.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Just quickly. I mean, the Chinese call it a research vessel.
You and I would call it a spy ship. There's
no doubt about that it's circling southern Australia. When he
was asked about it today, and the risk is that
it's going to track our deep sea submarine cables and
other things. When asked about it today, the Prime Minister
was pretty sanguine about the whole thing, pretty relaxed about it. James.
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Should he be relaxed.
Speaker 13 (36:32):
No, he shouldn't be. It was a flippant and dismissive
response from the Prime Minister, and one which slurred the
professionalism of the men and the women of the Australian
Defense Force. He compared what this vessel was doing in
our waters, our exclusive economic zone, but also apparently our
territorial waters, according to reporting from Andrew Green from the
ABC tonight, to what we do in the South China Sea. Now,
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no Australian vessel is engaging in deep seabed examination in
the territorial waters off the coast of China. We don't
even have these sorts of vessels, So to compare the
two was a false moral equivalence and a slur on
the men and women of the ADF, and he should
retract that and apologize, and frankly he should get across
the detail. I think from his answer today that he
had no idea what he was talking about, because he
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has no natural instinct or interest in national security. And
it really shows.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
I suspect now that we've got caretaker conventions, you'll be
getting the briefing that the Prime Minister clearly has not had.
James Patterson. Thank you. We'll check in with you next week.
After the break, we'll look at the PM and how
he needs the popularity of a whole lot of other
leaders on the campaign trail to survive. He's disappearing from
all the posters we'll get today and we'll see to
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this rise in activist disrupting campaigns. How's it going to
impact campaign twenty twenty five? After the break, welcome back
to former labor EMPs have launched a campaign in a
labor seat. One of those MP's will join me a
little later to explain why. But firstlet's bringing my panel
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a whole lot to get through l and P Senatay
James McGrath and Pauline Hansen's chief of staff James Ashby. Gents.
Peter Dutton has ruled out any sort of referendum to
recognize Indigenous Australians in the constitution. Now this is pretty interesting,
James McGraw, I didn't look at this byline in the budget.
I'll go back and have a look at it tonight,
but I reckon anything that smacks of a voice mark two.
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Even truth Telling Treaty is a whole box and Dice,
surely that's got to be dead now and where's Labor
on this?
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Well know where labor is. I put similar questions to
Penny Wong and estimates last week Senator Wong refused to
rule out a treaty. Senator Wong skirted around why money
was in the budget for truth telling and still for
the treaty process. This is something Labor if they win
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the election as part of a minority government, it will
come in because this is what the Greens want. You're
not going to have a treaty or anything like that
under the coalition, but under later and Greens, mark my words,
treaty will be coming into the Parliament.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
All right, Well, respectfully, I know you're listening to internally.
You got to bang the drama and make sure that's
out there as part of your campaign. Let's go to
the PM in Wa today, James Ashby. He was alongside
the Premier there, very popular premier just returned Roger Cook.
I don't reckon, we'll see you in Wa standing next
to anyone other than Cook. I had to say, you know,
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when I looked at him last week in budget week
standing next to the Premier of Queensland, David Christaph Fooley.
That was deliberate too, we learned today from Redbridge Pole
and Chris of fully is the most popular leader in
the country. But I was in Adelaide over the weekend
the seat of Boothby currently held by Labor, being fought
for by my old nate Nicole Flint. She drew this
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to my attention in a wa Sorry in South Australia,
in the seat of Boothby, it's Melanowskis everywhere you can
see that there's no Anthony Albuneasy on any of their
posters or anything else. Does this surprise you? What does
it tell you?
Speaker 14 (40:16):
Yeah, look, he's not the most popular of prime ministers.
He's only hanging in there by a thread to government
at this moment. And look it's not just the leaders
it's the color red as well. If you have a
look at Tenure Plebi six cor flutes, they're purple. If
you have a look at Chris, you know the halfway bowen,
(40:36):
his cor flutes are orange. They're moving away from the
typical or traditional labor colors. So Labor are on the
nose in particular seats, not just the leadership, but the
color red. So watch this space over the next couple
of weeks. There's going to be some real trickery there,
you know, tenure plebi sect might be using purple to
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sort of confuse the messaging when it comes to the
Electoral Commission, as we've seen in previous selections. But for
Chris Baron to go down the one nation color of
orange says something as well. So you watch that space. Yeah,
no one likes the leader of the Labor Party, so
I'm not surprised. Paul Enhanson's welcome on all the core
flutes of our candidates, so no surprise there.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
They Let's go to a feature we're already seeing in
this campaign. James McGrath. We saw on Saturday to Rising
Tides activists crash Peter Dutton's campaign events, both of them
the PM two also heckled in a press conference. I mean,
I think this is dangerous to democracy. I think it'll
radically change how our MP's, our leaders in particular campaign.
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It'll make things much more controlled, It'll make them much
more risk adverse.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
I agree, and why we should always support freedom of speech.
These activists it's not about freedom of speech for them,
it is about suppressing the freedom of speech of the
politicians and of normalists. Rallians who want to speak to
and listen to the politicians because actually want to make
an informed decision. I am very worried about the personal
safety of my fellow colleagues. Look at Peter Dutton, who
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still as leaderly Opposition following on from his time as
a minister, still has very serious security because of the
threats made to his life. And now we've got these
people who want to come along. They're rap bags. They're
in my view, they are un Australian because they're selfish
rats and we should call them out. But we do
not want politicians being locked up in some type of
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a coon like you see in American presidential elections. It'll
be bad for our democracy.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Look, this is why Nicole Flint left the Parliament. But
she's going to stare them down and have another go
and I hope as a close friend she gets there.
We're also seeing the activists, particularly the pro Palestinians, restart
their campaigns. James Ashby, those demonstrations are back every Sunday
in Melbourne. I hate to admit, we've got Green's candidates
declaring their support for Palestine. We've got obviously this Muslim
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vote movement. I mean, I think this is a huge
turning point for Australia, isn't it.
Speaker 14 (43:10):
Well, look who that post a child is in Today's
Australian when they did the report. A bloke who's up
on charges for kidnapping and assault with a hammer. You know,
that's not the kind of person I want out in
demonstration for the safety and security of other Australians who
don't want to see this on the street. By the way,
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I think we're over the Palestinian protests, so yeah, look,
the Greens have got a lot to answer for. Just
have a close look at who they're aligning themselves with.
Just on that point, have you ever noticed there's no
protesters at Greens announcements, not one, you know, So it's
always the radical left that you've got to watch in
this country, especially in this election campaign.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
You two are my good campaigners on the ground, so
I am hoping as you're both getting around the country, yeah,
picking up collateral for me. You're photographing things I need
to look at and I can bring to my viewers
here every Monday night during the campaign. You're my foot
soldier's gents, look forward to whatever you might send my way.
Good luck with the campaign. All right, after the break,
former Labor MP breaks cover in this election about to
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launch a campaign that's going to upset many of his
former colleagues. He'll explain why he's doing it after the break.
Plus ever of the Australian Multicultural Council under fire over
anti Israel social posts. Welcome back. My next guest is
Michael Danby and he has joined another former Labor MP,
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Tony Lovedon, in launching a campaign urging Labor voters in
the seat of McNamara. This is the old Melbourne Ports
Danby's old seat to put the Greens last. They've raised
concerns that the Greens have become an extremist political party
which has voted against most counter terrorism bills since nine
to eleven.
Speaker 15 (44:58):
We know that the Greens have becoming streams party and
there's staking anti semitism and social division. Anyone who wants
the Greens to lose needs to understand that Josh Burns
has to pull more votes than them, otherwise the Greens
will win on preferences. So it's important for people to
vote for Josh Burns and put the Greens last.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
We'll get into a moment some of the issues with
preferenial voting in that set in particular. But it's a
big deal for you to break cover like this and
to speak publicly about your concerns about where Labor and
the Greens are headed on some of this stuff. Why
have you done it, Michael Oh?
Speaker 12 (45:35):
Because it's a matter of principle and ethics. I couldn't
imagine the Green Party representing Melbourne Portz. They've become an
extremist party and we have to point that out to voters.
I mean that excellent, And if I say so myself,
of pointing out their record since nine to eleven of
voting against every national security legislation, voters don't know that,
and if they did, I think they reinforce their view
(45:58):
that under at the grim Adam Band the Greens have
become an extremist party. Is Tony Lupton successfully campaigned in Paran?
Speaker 2 (46:05):
We know the seat's got a significant Jewish population in it.
I mean, how on earth? I don't think it'll be
the Jews. It will vote for the Greens, potentially even Labor.
But how could it get so tight in this seat?
Speaker 12 (46:16):
Well, there's some of the polling shows that Labour could
run third if Labour runs third and is eliminated. You know,
under the preferential system, the current socialist left arrangement all
around Australia, which Elbow should veto has his rhetoric indicates,
will put the Greens ahead of the Liberals, and we say, no,
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don't do that, voter.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
Let me just pull that apart so people at home
can follow you. So you've got let's say the Libs
come in first but not enough to win in their
own right, then comes the Greens and then comes Labor.
Labour get eliminated, their preferences get distributed. Now for those
people who think independently, they might not put the Greens
number two. But if they've just followed Labors how to
vote card and they do those preferences that they obviously
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I've got a primary vote first Labor, their preferences will
then flow to the Greens and that could mean the
Greens leap frog and get the seats.
Speaker 12 (47:12):
That's what you say, that's obviously the danger. That's completely correct, Peter,
And you know that's an unconscionable thing for middle of
the road voters, either Liberal or Labor. In McNamara, my
old seat in Melvin puts we don't want the Greens
and we want to point out their record. They should
be defeated on the basis of people knowing what they
stand for.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
But over the weekend we've heard all these labor ministers.
We've heard even the Prime Minister say, you know we're
fighting against the Greens. I fought Greens, you know, my
whole political life in my seat. If he really is
fighting the Greens, why give the Greens labor preferences?
Speaker 12 (47:49):
Well, the point of the spear is exactly that, don't
give them preferences. Do you think Green voters wouldn't vote
give their preferences to labor if labor preference against the
Greens in some seats, of course they are uplift of
center voters. You know, the old Green Party used to
stand for Koala's and opposition to air pollution. I'm in
favor of that too. Their voters won't vote against labor.
(48:12):
If Albo had the courage to tell people around the country,
don't give your preferences to the Greens, just.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Quickly we had nine over the weekend reported in the
papers today in Australian Multicultural Council member has been caught
out with pretty horrific anti Israel posts since pulled them down.
But what does that say to you?
Speaker 12 (48:34):
Well, there's also a bloke from Climate two thousand who's
call for a boycott of Israel. I mean that bloke Walsh,
he should be chucked out of that. Zoe Daniel's got
seven hundred thousand dollars from Climate two thousand, Peter, do
you reckon she's not going to listen to the bloke
who gave her all of that money. I mean, really,
Climbate two thousand and the teals their one identity, And
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I'd be very worrying if you're in a political party.
Where were the people who are giving out the dough,
calling for a boycott of Israel and other anti Israel
measures sim in homes. The court should take some action
against that people.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
And of course it's got the law be power broken
if of course they are.
Speaker 12 (49:10):
You know, it's really a political party, a clandestine one.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
Thanks for your help tonight getting all of that out there.
All right, that's it for me. You see tomorrow night
at six big election campaign. Don't miss it. Here on Kredline,
here's Andrew
Peter Kranbler live on Sky News Australia.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Good evening, Welcome to the program. The first full week
of the federal election campaign. We're kicking up the special
five weeks of coverage political coverage here on Krevlin. Here's
what's coming out this evening. A slide bump in the
polls for Labor This is news poll. The coalitions are
head in the Resolve poll and it's another nil or
draw in the others. The poles are going to come
(00:28):
thick and fast. So what do you make of them?
All the rest analyst analysts in the business dead A Shanahan,
Chris Yelman coming up to pull them apart. Let's stay
two on campaign mechanics. Each Monday night for the next
five weeks, we're going to cross live to the coalition's
campaign headquarters for an exclusive chat with a HQ's official spokesman,
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Senator James Patterson. We'll also talk to him today on
that latest shooting in Melbourne involving one of Labour's released
foreign criminals. The energy blame game, it's gone up a notch.
The Prime Minister now disowning the modeling that underpins his
entire energy and climate agenda. Albanezi says this modeling separate
(01:09):
from the government. The thing is we've got the tapes
to prove otherwise, and that damning admission today that the
Prime Minister very quickly tried to take back.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
If you ask me, do you rule out governing and
coalition with the Greens, she answered that is no.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
But first I've always said the polls are a good
guide to how you're going, but not always a good
guide as to what you should do, often because poles
tend to be a lagging indicator. So no surprises. There's
a drop today in Newsport because, as you've heard me
say here, the coalition attacks slowed down in recent weeks.
Now I felt it, you told me you felt it,
(01:54):
and here it is now reflected in one of the
newspaper polls. But as I've also said in a can
and Pain polling, it's going to bounce around, and that
I tend to focus on not what the bounds is,
but the trend. And further than that, once the election
campaign is officially called, as it was last Friday, then
things will inevitably tighten, so that the last thing any
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coalition supporters should do now it's panic just because the momentum.
We know the Opposition lost over the past couple of
weeks has shown up in the polls. Now, why do
I say that? Or primarily because the fundamentals have not changed.
There's still a cost of living crisis in this country
and it's still Anthony Albanesi's fault. Now, can the Coalition
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do a better job helping Australians to understand who's responsible
for this pain? Well, you bet they can by simply
and repeatedly stating the facts by hitting harder because people
are hurting and they're angry, and they've got a right
to be angry on this government's watch. And added of
livings dropped eight percent. That's the worst drop of anywhere
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in the developed world. And it's being driven by Labour's
mad energy policy that's putting power prices through the roof,
by Labour's spending addiction that's keeping mortgage rates higher than
they should be for longer, and by Labour's love of
Big Australia. Because it's Albanesi's record immigration that's depressing wages,
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hiking housing costs and clogging out roads. It is Labour's
green left ideology that's made your life harder and it
will only get worse. Souve Albanese is re elected and
dependent on the Greens to keep his job. Today, the
Prime Minister made his first campaign stumble, I.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Rule out, I rule out. Just to be really clear again,
if you ask me, do you rule out governing and
coalition with the Greens, she answered that is no. No
is no. I don't negotiate with the.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Now. If Labor was serious about repudiating the Greens, they
would be last on Labour's how the votes. But they'll
never be last because Albanezy knows that he needs the
Green preferences to survive that without adding bands, he and
Jody wouldn't get their wedding on the lawns of Kiribilly House.
Back to those poles, let's take a closer look, because
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they're actually a bit of a mixed bag. News poll
as I've already flagged published in Australia and has Labor
hair head on two party preferred terms fifty one forty
nine in the Sydney Morning Herald. The resolved pole there, well,
it's got both majors tied fifty to fifty over at
the Austraight and Financial Review, the AFAR their poll. The
fresh water pole, well, it's got the coalition a head
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fifty one forty nine. Now all of these poles is
an error on the screen, it's the other way around.
All of these poles, i might add, are within the
margin of era. So as a campaigner, it's not so
much these poles I'd be worried about, but the one
that will come next week. After spending billions and billions
in the budget last Tuesday, what's clear in these polls
is that there's no budget bounce for the government. Indeed,
(05:08):
it's fair to say the budget's flopped, with voters only
twenty two percent saying it would be good for the economy.
Now that's the worst budget result for any budget since
that question was first asked in nineteen ninety nine. Apart
from immigration, if there's one issue that will swing the election,
it's energy because energy is a core subset of cost
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of living. Cost of living is the government's supreme weakness,
and on energy policy will labor a.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Liars reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
By twenty twenty five two hundred and seventy five dollars
a year.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
One hundred and seventy five dollars a year will get.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Power prices down by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
A year, two hundred and seventy five dollars the average house.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
And they made the promise in the last election campaign
on the basis of what Albernese said here at the time.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Is the most comprehensive modeling ever done for any policy
by any opposition in Australia's history since Federation.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Back then, Labor pretty happy to warn the modeling, weren't they,
even when it challenged Anthony Albanesi just doubled down.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
What is it about this new policy, is that the
grid investment or something else that actually generates that two
seventy five dollars benefit.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Well, I don't think I know. I know because we
have done the modeling.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I don't think I know not anymore. Here's the PM
pulled up of his broken power promise, insisting Labor had
nothing to do now with that.
Speaker 6 (06:58):
Modeling Texas modeling, that was what you base your policies on.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
It's Repitexas model co ownership of that modeling it's reputexes modeling.
From that time, reputex modeling was reputext modeling that they
put out.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
What a week week man Any wonder too. We haven't
barely seen Chris Bowen since the election was called. He's
in witness protection, isn't he? Because this is the modeling
that he and Labor used to justify the fantasy claim
that moving to eighty two percent renewables would somehow create
over half a million jobs, six hundred thousand jobs, says
(07:35):
the modeling. Well, that's now all junked. Still, it hasn't
stopped Labor making new claims based on this modeling, this
time that Peter Dutton's nuclear policy would be more expensive
than Labour's renewables only policy. Today, Peter Dutton was repeatedly
challenged on this by an aggressive media pack, but eventually
he got the answer right. Basically, how can you trust
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any Labor model given the previous lies?
Speaker 7 (08:03):
This morning, when Chris Bowen has released some analysis from
the Department of Climate Change and Energy saying that you're
modeling significantly underestimates costs, including maintenance in terms of life extensions,
and say.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Well, the modeling has been out there for months and
months and months, and so I wouldn't take Chris Bowen
at his word on anything. Chris Bowen, along with the
Prime Minister, promise at power prices had come down by
two hundred and seventy five dollars. They've gone up by
thirteen hundred dollars. So do you think that he can
be trusted? I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
There's going to be a lot of defeat in this
campaign in an attempt to bury those broken promises, like
this claim from the Prime Minister that power prices had
fallen some twenty five percent last year.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
In twenty twenty four, power prices fell twenty five point
two percent. They would have fallen just one point six
percent without rebate.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Now what he didn't tell you, did it was that
confirmation in his own budget papers know less that but
for federal and state subsidies, your power bill would be forty
five percent higher. That's six point eight billion dollars in
power bill subsidies from your pocket as a federal taxpayer alone.
(09:19):
Add in the state subsidies and it's even higher. Surely,
any half sensible government we change the policy that's causing
the bills to spike, rather than subsidize them to deal
with the price surge the government itself has caused, but
not labor, and it's only going to get worse if
Labour slides back into office. If Chris Bowen stays on
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as our Energy Minister, along with his new mate Mat Kean,
we're in trouble. We know the government's already renegged on
an earlier promise to give us the new twenty thirty
five emissions targets before we vote, and we're not going
to see them now, nor are they going to give
us an answer on the massive Northwest Shelf energy project.
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All they'll say is that their new emissions targets will
be ambitious at the same time as we know the
rest of the big emitters around the world, or they're
walking away from any targets. I mean, these clowns in
Labor are doubling down on failure instead of changing course.
If re elected, they'll ban all domestic gas use. They'll
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ban coal and gas exports. Plus they'll cull the national
cattlehurn due to meet thane gas, as well as force
you to drive an ev whether you want to or not. Now,
this is the nightmare facing Australia if Albaneze is re elected.
So to all those people willing Peter it upon to
do better, and no doubt swamping him with free and
good advice, I get it. I get it. But having
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been there in the eye of the storm, as they
get off his back and let him get on with it,
I'm sure in coming days he'll simplify and amplify the message.
He'll go harder. If he doesn't, he won't get there.
And he knows what's at stake. Believe me he does.
But do everyone who wants to change a government, I
say this to you, don't don't just tell Peter Darton
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what he needs to do and say to change the government,
We've all got to get out there ourselves. We're going
to tell our mates and our neighbors, our children, our workmates,
because it's all up to us too to help voters
understand what's at stake for our country. Now, no one
thought we could beat the Voice You did, I did.
We believe we could. We fought it and we won
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against the odds. We won. Well, it's the same here
all over again. If we learned one thing from the
Voice vote, it was this, the power of the silent
majority is there if we speak up, I'll tell you
what Australia. Now, it's our time to roar all right,
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as we do in every federal election campaign each night
here on Sky about this time we're going to cross
to as Sky News journalist on the road with both
the Prime Minister and the opposition leader. The PM, well
he's in the air right now, but here's our reporter,
Reuben Spargo with this.
Speaker 8 (12:10):
Report flying to Western Australia. The Prime Minister distanced himself
from his opponent and left behind energy policy models he
once championed.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
He is the most comprehensive modeling ever done for any
policy by any opposition in Australia's history.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
Do you stand by that modeling?
Speaker 9 (12:32):
It's reputexas modeling.
Speaker 8 (12:34):
Joining w A Premier Roger Cook, Anthony Abernezi promised two
hundred million dollars to upgrade this hospital in the electorate
of Hasluck. It's one of the four seats taken from
the Liberals at the last election. The Prime Minister is
keen to hold on time.
Speaker 10 (12:50):
Anthony Aberzi's campaign was interrupted by a Chinese spy ship
in Australia's Exclusive Economic Zone, looking a similar route to.
Speaker 8 (13:01):
The country's deep sea submarine cable.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
I would prefer that it wasn't there, but we live
in circumstances where Justice Australia has vessels in South China
Sea and vessels in the Taiwan Strait and a round
of a range of areas. This vessel is there.
Speaker 8 (13:18):
Beijing's move could fuel Peter Dutton's tough stance on national
security and accelerate his political momentum.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
We get someone who knows what they're doing.
Speaker 8 (13:30):
Ruben Spargo, Sky News, Canberra.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
All right, as I said, Pem is in the air.
That's why we got that as a pre record before
they took to the skies. But let's now check him
in the Opposition leader's campaign. Joining me now from the
federal seat of Brisbane, one of our parliament House team,
Cam Reddin. Well, this is your first campaign on the road.
You're on the bus, you're on the plane with the
opposition leader. Of course you're in Brisbane because he's preparing
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for his pub test tonight with Paul Murray. But earlier
today the marginal seat of Patterson, a lot of focus
here on energy can.
Speaker 11 (14:06):
Yeah, no surprise to see why, Peter, because it really
is the heart of the coalition's campaign that core promise
of reducing power bills not just the households, but for
businesses too. We were at a factory today which deals
with heavy mining machinery, so clearly one of the big
input costs for them, or one of the big costs
on doing business for them, is the price of energy.
Peter Dutton and I will say this is a broader
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point too. I think the electorate broadly that we've been
to around Brisbane, Sydney, not a great deal of time
in the suburbs yet. But the observation i'd make Peter
is the electorate is pretty switched on this time. Most
of the people we've spoken to a good couple of
dozen over the last few days at least very aware
the election's on, very tuned in, aware of some of
the major policies of the leaders. And it's no surprise
that almost every person we talk to the cost of
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living comes up, but particularly power prices and the impost
of energy, whether they're running a business or at home.
So it's no surprise Peter Dutton has run almost a
single issue campaign at least over the first three days
of this. We will expect more grilling over the days ahead, Peter.
When it comes to the fine print, we know the
Coalition doesn't want to make the same, in its view
mistake as labor of promising a two dollars two hundred
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and seventy five dollar reduction, putting a dollar figure on it,
I promise, they fear they might not be able to keep.
So they're talking about percentages now, a percentage increase of
how much people's bills will come down. In terms of
measuring sticks. If the Coalition wins well in March next year,
we get a default market offer, that's the cap on
electricity prices, the maximum someone can be charged. So Peter
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Dutton's target really will be.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
To get that down.
Speaker 11 (15:35):
I think by then that's when we'll know if he's
able to get those prices down, because clearly it's proven
difficult for this government.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Any intel cam on where you'll be tomorrow.
Speaker 11 (15:49):
Ah jeez, if I knew that, Peter, I'd love to know.
I mean, one of these the facts about these campaigns
is yes, the security detail is tight. I mean it
only got tighter after what we saw on Saturday with
two protests, somehow managing to crash two Dutton events into
space of about three hours, but no, these are some
of the tightly held secrets. I'm surprised that nobody has
been to Melbourne yet, neither Peter Dutton or the Prime Minister.
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So I'd be very surprised if we weren't there in
the next couple of days. As we continue this lap
around the country, Peter, we're often running and bracking up
the kilometers.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Well enjoy as you rightly say there, Victoria's the battleground,
particularly for the Coalition. They've got to win big in
the my home states, so they've got a big in Melbourne.
We'll watch that closely. Thanks cam Well, let's got out
of the flood of poles over the past twenty four hours.
It will start with the Australians Years poll. It confirms
what I said was my sense of things on the ground.
There's been a loss of momentum in recent weeks for
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the Coalition and that's what's been reported today that over
the past three weeks there's been a one percentage point
bumped to Labour's primary and a concominant two percentage point
drop for the Coalition. Now in the nine papers resolved
poll has seen a bigger boost to Labour's primary. It
was those sitting at a mega twenty nine percent, but
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not enough to give it the lead. I think that
one's coming out a resolved poll fifty to fifty now
two PP terms and over on the Freshwater poll, this
one's got Labour inching up by one point to a
thirty two primary, the Coalition unchanged at a thirty nine
percent primary, meaning on two PP it's fifty one forty
nine to the Coalition. So a direct reversal of what
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News poll's reporting. Joined me now to discuss all of
the ins and outs here National editor at The Australian
Dennish Anahan and Sky News contributor Chris Yulman. Dennis, I
will preface this and say that all of these polls
are within the margin of era. But I mean I
do favorite News poll and it confirms that sends you
and I have discussed here on the show that there's
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been a loss of momentum for the coalition. That's very
much due I think to Labor calling off the election
heading in to cyclone out Alfred and I didn't get
a sense that the Coalition had a plan then to
fill the next couple of weeks before the official kickoff.
We've had that official kickoff. We're into the first official week.
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Give us your read.
Speaker 12 (18:13):
Well.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
I think that the polls. One interesting thing about the
poles is how uniform they are. They are all saying
it's very tight. They're all saying, as you would expect
at the beginning of an election campaign, an improvement for
the government. This is one of the advantages of incumbency.
We've just come off the back of a budget, so yes,
you would expect that there would be a lift in
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support for labor. The Coalition did lose momentum. I think
Peter Dutton put a bit of juice back into the
tank when he suggested harving petrol excize, so there was
a bit of a boost there. Certainly within the Parliamentary
Liberal Party there was a bit of a feeling that
they had started to get back on track. So I
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think overall the polls are telling us exactly what we're
thought for the last three years, or at least the
last eighteen months, and that is the campaign is going
to decide the election that people are switched on. That
there may be a number of people who have made
up their decision, made up their mind, they know who
they're going to vote for. So this is going to
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be a very tight and difficult to predict campaign. I
think we've seen them start where you would expect. Anthony
Alberanez attacking Peter Dutton at every opportunity and mentioning medicare
at every second opportunity, whereas Peter Dutton is pushing on energy,
particularly energy prices and gas. So I think all pretty
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much as we would expect, and it'll be very interesting
to see the polls week by week over the next
five weeks.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Pull apart energy in the moment. But Chris Jyellman, I mean,
the budget was only last Tuesday. We're not even a
week out from the budget. They spent hundreds of billions
of dollars and they haven't even got a dead cat
bounce according to news poll. I mean forty six percent
of those survey that SE's about half, so they've got
no idea of it'll be good for the economy. A
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lot's say it won't be either, no.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
Peter, But if you look at the poles, you can
say within the margin of era that nothing much has
changed since the last election. And I'm told and now
in the Albanez's feeling fairly confident and I've thought for
a long time the most likely outcome of this election
is the minority Labor government. I'll tell you why. Labor
only needs to lose one percent across a uniform basis
across the country in order to lose its majority. But
in order for the Coalition to form a minority government,
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a minority government, it's got to get a three point
five percent swing to it. In order for it to
govern in its own right, it's got to getting a
swing in excess of five percent. Now, that would be
an historically large swing. So I still think, looking at
all the polls, the most likely the outcome is a
minority labor government.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
But it's not written.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
Everyone has said that this campaign is going to be important.
I do think that there's a very big soft vote
out there, at least that's what the pulses tell us.
But I think that the undercurrent of all of this
is Trump Predator's presidency. I think that Donald Trump is
unsettling the world. People are looking to what's gone wrong
with the campaign for the Coalition. I think that incumbents
now and particularly we're seeing this in Canada, are doing
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well out of Trump as the US president.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Let's go to the point that he was pushed on
today Dennis a Prime minister about entering into a coalition
with the Greens. I played that comment a little bit earlier.
I mean he's not going to be able to rule
it out. It'll come back to haunt him like Gillard's famous.
So we know carbon taxon or a government I lead
pledge because it's every likelihood on these polls he'll need
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Adam band to survive.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Oh yeah, Look the Prime minister's playing with words. It's
a bit like before they change the tax saying ehi.
There are no plans at this stage. The Prime Minister
said today and he said it previously he will not
go into a coalition with the Greens. That he's not
going to sign an agreement. He's not going to be
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in partnership with the Greens. But does that mean he's
going to refuse to take Green support if he needs
Adam Bant to actually become prime minister again? Of course not.
And is he going to put the Greens last in
the various seats. Of course not, because if he puts
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the Greens last, labor tends to lose. Now, that doesn't
mean he doesn't want to fight the Greens. He's fighting
the Greens tooth and nail, particularly in Brisbane, two possibly
three seats there Labour wants to get back from the Greens.
Melbourne another issue for the Greens, but all of the
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seats are being played about by various other issues, including
Gaza and Palestine, particularly in Melbourne. Also the reaction to
the budget. It was strong among stronger amongst younger voters,
which you would expect for Labor, but that still doesn't
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mean that they're going to get a shift from younger voters,
from younger Green voters to the Labor Party. So it's
all about who can win in particular seats and it's
not about nationwide views. The Prime Minister today said, oh no,
those pesky preferences. They're not a matter for me. They're
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a matter for the party organizational wing. The other one's
got bells on it PM. So yes, we are going
to see a fight, a fight between the Greens and
the Labor in particular seats, but ultimately, if it means
government and to the Albernes will accept Green votes.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
I want to underscore the fact that it is it
is cost of living in daylight that's turning votes in
this election. Campaign, and overwhelmingly the issue on cost of
living comes down to power prices because everyone pays them.
Everyone pays a power bill and it's a huge input cost,
particularly for small business. Let's listen to the Prime Minister
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now about his own energy modeling and what he said
to support that modeling. Not so long ago, our.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Energy policy offering us all out there reprotect modeling, was
reprotect modeling that they put out our policy.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Policy and yeah, eight target.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Why are they still your targets? I hope when you
get the chance on the on the next, on the
next leg where I assume you'll be following around to
ask what he's twenty thirty target is. This is the
most comprehensive modeling ever done for any policy by any
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opposition in Australia's history since Federation.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Chris yeomen.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
Well, Peter, Let's get this straight right, Labor commissioned that modeling.
That modeling would not exist unless the Labor Party paid
for it. It was the basis of its entire energy plan.
It's like a father saying, ooh, where did that kiddie
come from? And by the way, they clung to the
corpse of that policy. As energy prices continue to rise.
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In twenty twenty two, they continue to say there'd be
a two hundred and seventy five dollars cut. In twenty
twenty three, they said that there would be a cut
in twenty twenty four. They said it. As far as
I know, Chris Bowen has never actually repudiated that two
hundred and seventy five dollar figure. And as subsidies were applied,
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they then reversed the argument and said, oh, look, we're
taking taxpayers dollars out of your pocket to give back
to you. And now guess what electricity prices have fallen.
You could not make this stuff up. And the other
thing about that modeling was it was dead on arrival.
Through the course of twenty twenty one, anyone who knew
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anything about energy would have been watching the coal price
because of course that really matters on what sets the
price of electricity, because despite what the government keeps saying,
wind and solar the lowest cost electricity generation doesn't set
the electricity price. Because it's a marketplace, the fuel cost
will always matter. The Labour Party modeling locked in eighty
dollars a metric ton, the long run price will guess
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what by the time the modeling was released, it was
at three hundred dollars of a metric ton. By the
time the election was called, it was at four hundred
dollars a metric tun. It had gone over five hundred
dollars by the time the election finished, and yet the
Labour already said that it would be delivered. So I
don't know how you begin to describe something when you
get to this point. You can say something's a spin,
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but I think you need to use a whole other
description about continuing to cling to a policy. And then,
by the way, rebasing things to a subsidy is an
electricity price cut. When you do it for years.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
It's damning. I'll tell you what just before we go,
Dennis Shanahan campaign number, how many for you? What number
of federal campaign is this for you?
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Well, it's thirteen on the trot for the OS, but
I did do a couple of others when I had
Another life, so it's probably about fourteen or fifteen, and
Chris Yeoman.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
I've been doing them every year since two thousand and six.
But like Dennis in Another life back in the nineteen
nineties for the Cambra time, I followed a few then,
so you know, I'll have to sit down and add
things up because wouldn't want to be accused of making
up numbers.
Speaker 9 (28:02):
Peter.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
I just were underscore that point from my viewers at
home that you two gentlemen have got the runs on
the board. You know what you're talking about. Thank you
for joining me tonight, all right after brat Chris Bowen
a massive drag as we know on Labour's vote. Is
that why he's nowhere to be seen as the energy
wars heat up? Plus will go live to the Coalition
HQ for the first exclusive update out of their political
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war room in Paramatta. Welcome back, still to come another
alleged incident with one of Labour's freed at foreign criminals,
and live to the Coalition's Liberal Party HQ. But first,
Australia's largest steelmaker, blue Scope, has back Peter Dutton's election
planned to bring down gas prices, energy of courses. You've
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heard me say, central to this campaign and it's a
big vote. De side of a households and small business
joining me now, Director of Energy Research at the Center
for Independent Studies, Aid Morrison, and thanks for your time.
In addition to blue Scope, we've got manufacturing Australia saying
that the coalition's gas market reforms are in the national interest.
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But interestingly, Squadron Energy, which is owned by Andrew forres Well,
they say it's a waste of money. I think Twiggy
himself he has got egg on his face over green hydrogen.
What's your thoughts here?
Speaker 9 (29:25):
Twiggy certainly would say that it's a waste of money. Unfortunately,
it's about to be his money that gets wasted because
he's committed to the idea that we need to import gas.
He's building a gas import terminal at Port Kembler, and
that's the idea behind that is essentially you get Australia
committed to buying expensive imported gas because when gas is
high cost, and it has to be when you import
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it because you have to liquefy it and then regasify
it again. It's never cheap gas when you import gas.
So it makes his wind farms look a whole lot better.
It also in all the electricity modeling that supports the
investment in transmission line it makes them look a lot
better too. So it puts a huge amount of wind
in the sales of all the investment in wind farms
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and also the regulatory assets like transmission to support them.
So no surprises at all, and that's what Twiggy thinks,
because he's committed to try to get Australia hooked onto
imported gas, which will be expensive gas in the long term.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
This has always been my problem for about fifteen years
with policy in this area aid and going all the
way back to Rudd's CPRS. You know, the first iteration
of the carbon tax way back in two thousand and
nine is that there are a whole lot of grifters
and rent seekers and those with a first mover advantage
who have all backed the renewable energy train of wind
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and solar in particular. Right, So Peter Dutton coming in
and upending things with both gas reform but most particularly
at nuclear power, that blows apart their finance model. It
blows apart their money making machine about what they think
is in Australia's best interest. It's about how much they
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stand to gain from the status quo.
Speaker 9 (31:08):
That's exactly right, and I don't think there's any sensible
way of really overstating that. At the moment, a lot
is being made of there being some sort of huge
pipeline this kind of massive amount of market interest in
investing in renewable energy. That is quite simply not true
at the moment. There is just no private interest in
backing any sort of renewable energy development on its own
two feet. You can see any example that you want.
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I can't find a single example of a major investment
decision that's being made without some sort of underwriting from
a federal or state government. And you can take the
biggest one, the value of the winds wind farm in
the central West Irana res. It's going to have all
its transmission lines built right out to it. It's a
massive nine hundred megawat bohemoth. Still a massive subsidy from
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the capacity investment scheme. We don't know exactly how much
it allowed up to. But it can't get private backing
on its own as well, So there is really no
such thing as any private capital. It is all being
pushed through subsidies at the moment. It is just the
dawn of the era of forever subsidies. There is not
a completely competitive, any sort of competitive market investment that's
driving this a long It's all being driven by government
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policy at the moment. But there are plenty of companies
who are willing to line up in the queue for
subsidies and handouts.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
You are not wrong. I'll come make to batteries a
bit later in the show. Thanks Aiden. Now the Coalition HQ,
it's in the seat of paramount this time, so with
the Edge suburbs of Sydney, we'll go there every Monday night.
Now we're in the campaign proper and we'll catch up
with the Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson, who's also
now been named as official Coalition headquarters campaign spokesman. Well, Senator,
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you are in the war room. I'm delighted to across
to you there tonight. Part of me whish is I
was in there amongst it all, But of course now
I've got a different role as do you. In this
campaign news poll. There'll be a lot of lives out
there scratching their heads today thinking you've had a sluggish start.
What would you say to them.
Speaker 13 (33:00):
You've seen a few of these campaigns yourself, and you
know that these polls go up and down. But actually
to be at the start of the campaign, to be
roughly fifty to fifty in the polls with an incumbent
government in its first term is a remarkable achievement and
it shows that this election is up for grabs, that
we can win this election, but we must win the
campaign and it requires us to get our message out,
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our positive message for making Australia a more prosperous and
secure country, but also reminding Australians of what they've experienced
under the Albanezi government over the last three years. The
worst loss in living standards in Australian history, the worst
loss of living standards in the developed world since the
end of the pandemic. And can Australians really afford another
three years like that? We don't think they can. We
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think we've got a better way.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Talk to me about fighting the dog. I think coalition
and supporters want to know that you will fight down
to every vote, that you will pursue every seat. How's
this sort of feeling in CCHQ. What's coming into you
about the target seats? Is that the case?
Speaker 13 (34:07):
Well, we've got a very ambitious target seat list at
this election, and every month more seats get added to
that list based on data, based on evidence, particularly in
our home state of Victoria Peter where seats we never
dreamed of being competitive in are coming on the target
seat list, and we hear intelligence from the Labor side
that they keep adding seats to their defensive key seat list,
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seats they've always held and never worried about before and
probably took for granted. They're now doubling down and you
can see evidence of that on the social media pages
of some Labor MPs who are pretty low energy and
their approach their electorates in the part. So all of
a sudden turning up to the opening of a car door,
and that tells you everything you need to know about
where this fight will be and where seats are that
we can win.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Talk to me about what's happened over the weekend. A
man was shot by police in Melbourne. He's a former
immigration detainee, one of Labour's released foreign criminals. He's been
out on bail. He was released after that High Court ruling.
I thought you gave a government legislation that it said
it needed well over a year ago now to deal
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with this.
Speaker 13 (35:16):
You're absolutely right, Peter. That's exactly what the Parliament did
at the coalition's urging sixteen months ago. We passed a
preventative Detention Order regime which allowed the government to apply
to the courts to take people off the streets who
are a risked to community safety from this cohort. Now,
this person was apparently on bail, had apparently been bailed
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five times according to reporting in the Herald Sun today,
and is exactly the case study of someone who should
have been off the streets thanks to a preventive detention order.
But neither Tony Burke nor any of his predecessors have
got on their skates and got any of these applications
into the court. And so all of the three hundred
of these people released in the community are free in
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the community and reoffending at an extraord rate. Over one
hundred of them have been charged with new offenses since
they were released from immigration detention.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Just quickly. I mean, the Chinese call it a research vessel.
You and I would call it a spy ship. There's
no doubt about that it's circling southern Australia. When he
was asked about it today, and the risk is that
it's going to track our deep sea submarine cables and
other things. When asked about it today, the Prime Minister
was pretty sanguine about the whole thing, pretty relaxed about it. James.
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Should he be relaxed.
Speaker 13 (36:32):
No, he shouldn't be. It was a flippant and dismissive
response from the Prime Minister, and one which slurred the
professionalism of the men and the women of the Australian
Defense Force. He compared what this vessel was doing in
our waters, our exclusive economic zone, but also apparently our
territorial waters, according to reporting from Andrew Green from the
ABC tonight, to what we do in the South China Sea. Now,
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no Australian vessel is engaging in deep seabed examination in
the territorial waters off the coast of China. We don't
even have these sorts of vessels, So to compare the
two was a false moral equivalence and a slur on
the men and women of the ADF, and he should
retract that and apologize, and frankly he should get across
the detail. I think from his answer today that he
had no idea what he was talking about, because he
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has no natural instinct or interest in national security. And
it really shows.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
I suspect now that we've got caretaker conventions, you'll be
getting the briefing that the Prime Minister clearly has not had.
James Patterson. Thank you. We'll check in with you next week.
After the break, we'll look at the PM and how
he needs the popularity of a whole lot of other
leaders on the campaign trail to survive. He's disappearing from
all the posters we'll get today and we'll see to
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this rise in activist disrupting campaigns. How's it going to
impact campaign twenty twenty five? After the break, welcome back
to former labor EMPs have launched a campaign in a
labor seat. One of those MP's will join me a
little later to explain why. But firstlet's bringing my panel
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a whole lot to get through l and P Senatay
James McGrath and Pauline Hansen's chief of staff James Ashby. Gents.
Peter Dutton has ruled out any sort of referendum to
recognize Indigenous Australians in the constitution. Now this is pretty interesting,
James McGraw, I didn't look at this byline in the budget.
I'll go back and have a look at it tonight,
but I reckon anything that smacks of a voice mark two.
(38:25):
Even truth Telling Treaty is a whole box and Dice,
surely that's got to be dead now and where's Labor
on this?
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Well know where labor is. I put similar questions to
Penny Wong and estimates last week Senator Wong refused to
rule out a treaty. Senator Wong skirted around why money
was in the budget for truth telling and still for
the treaty process. This is something Labor if they win
(38:56):
the election as part of a minority government, it will
come in because this is what the Greens want. You're
not going to have a treaty or anything like that
under the coalition, but under later and Greens, mark my words,
treaty will be coming into the Parliament.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
All right, Well, respectfully, I know you're listening to internally.
You got to bang the drama and make sure that's
out there as part of your campaign. Let's go to
the PM in Wa today, James Ashby. He was alongside
the Premier there, very popular premier just returned Roger Cook.
I don't reckon, we'll see you in Wa standing next
to anyone other than Cook. I had to say, you know,
(39:36):
when I looked at him last week in budget week
standing next to the Premier of Queensland, David Christaph Fooley.
That was deliberate too, we learned today from Redbridge Pole
and Chris of fully is the most popular leader in
the country. But I was in Adelaide over the weekend
the seat of Boothby currently held by Labor, being fought
for by my old nate Nicole Flint. She drew this
(39:57):
to my attention in a wa Sorry in South Australia,
in the seat of Boothby, it's Melanowskis everywhere you can
see that there's no Anthony Albuneasy on any of their
posters or anything else. Does this surprise you? What does
it tell you?
Speaker 14 (40:16):
Yeah, look, he's not the most popular of prime ministers.
He's only hanging in there by a thread to government
at this moment. And look it's not just the leaders
it's the color red as well. If you have a
look at Tenure Plebi six cor flutes, they're purple. If
you have a look at Chris, you know the halfway bowen,
(40:36):
his cor flutes are orange. They're moving away from the
typical or traditional labor colors. So Labor are on the
nose in particular seats, not just the leadership, but the
color red. So watch this space over the next couple
of weeks. There's going to be some real trickery there,
you know, tenure plebi sect might be using purple to
(40:57):
sort of confuse the messaging when it comes to the
Electoral Commission, as we've seen in previous selections. But for
Chris Baron to go down the one nation color of
orange says something as well. So you watch that space. Yeah,
no one likes the leader of the Labor Party, so
I'm not surprised. Paul Enhanson's welcome on all the core
flutes of our candidates, so no surprise there.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
They Let's go to a feature we're already seeing in
this campaign. James McGrath. We saw on Saturday to Rising
Tides activists crash Peter Dutton's campaign events, both of them
the PM two also heckled in a press conference. I mean,
I think this is dangerous to democracy. I think it'll
radically change how our MP's, our leaders in particular campaign.
(41:41):
It'll make things much more controlled, It'll make them much
more risk adverse.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
I agree, and why we should always support freedom of speech.
These activists it's not about freedom of speech for them,
it is about suppressing the freedom of speech of the
politicians and of normalists. Rallians who want to speak to
and listen to the politicians because actually want to make
an informed decision. I am very worried about the personal
safety of my fellow colleagues. Look at Peter Dutton, who
(42:12):
still as leaderly Opposition following on from his time as
a minister, still has very serious security because of the
threats made to his life. And now we've got these
people who want to come along. They're rap bags. They're
in my view, they are un Australian because they're selfish
rats and we should call them out. But we do
not want politicians being locked up in some type of
(42:34):
a coon like you see in American presidential elections. It'll
be bad for our democracy.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Look, this is why Nicole Flint left the Parliament. But
she's going to stare them down and have another go
and I hope as a close friend she gets there.
We're also seeing the activists, particularly the pro Palestinians, restart
their campaigns. James Ashby, those demonstrations are back every Sunday
in Melbourne. I hate to admit, we've got Green's candidates
declaring their support for Palestine. We've got obviously this Muslim
(43:03):
vote movement. I mean, I think this is a huge
turning point for Australia, isn't it.
Speaker 14 (43:10):
Well, look who that post a child is in Today's
Australian when they did the report. A bloke who's up
on charges for kidnapping and assault with a hammer. You know,
that's not the kind of person I want out in
demonstration for the safety and security of other Australians who
don't want to see this on the street. By the way,
(43:31):
I think we're over the Palestinian protests, so yeah, look,
the Greens have got a lot to answer for. Just
have a close look at who they're aligning themselves with.
Just on that point, have you ever noticed there's no
protesters at Greens announcements, not one, you know, So it's
always the radical left that you've got to watch in
this country, especially in this election campaign.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
You two are my good campaigners on the ground, so
I am hoping as you're both getting around the country, yeah,
picking up collateral for me. You're photographing things I need
to look at and I can bring to my viewers
here every Monday night during the campaign. You're my foot
soldier's gents, look forward to whatever you might send my way.
Good luck with the campaign. All right, after the break,
former Labor MP breaks cover in this election about to
(44:17):
launch a campaign that's going to upset many of his
former colleagues. He'll explain why he's doing it after the break.
Plus ever of the Australian Multicultural Council under fire over
anti Israel social posts. Welcome back. My next guest is
Michael Danby and he has joined another former Labor MP,
(44:39):
Tony Lovedon, in launching a campaign urging Labor voters in
the seat of McNamara. This is the old Melbourne Ports
Danby's old seat to put the Greens last. They've raised
concerns that the Greens have become an extremist political party
which has voted against most counter terrorism bills since nine
to eleven.
Speaker 15 (44:58):
We know that the Greens have becoming streams party and
there's staking anti semitism and social division. Anyone who wants
the Greens to lose needs to understand that Josh Burns
has to pull more votes than them, otherwise the Greens
will win on preferences. So it's important for people to
vote for Josh Burns and put the Greens last.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
We'll get into a moment some of the issues with
preferenial voting in that set in particular. But it's a
big deal for you to break cover like this and
to speak publicly about your concerns about where Labor and
the Greens are headed on some of this stuff. Why
have you done it, Michael Oh?
Speaker 12 (45:35):
Because it's a matter of principle and ethics. I couldn't
imagine the Green Party representing Melbourne Portz. They've become an
extremist party and we have to point that out to voters.
I mean that excellent, And if I say so myself,
of pointing out their record since nine to eleven of
voting against every national security legislation, voters don't know that,
and if they did, I think they reinforce their view
(45:58):
that under at the grim Adam Band the Greens have
become an extremist party. Is Tony Lupton successfully campaigned in Paran?
Speaker 2 (46:05):
We know the seat's got a significant Jewish population in it.
I mean, how on earth? I don't think it'll be
the Jews. It will vote for the Greens, potentially even Labor.
But how could it get so tight in this seat?
Speaker 12 (46:16):
Well, there's some of the polling shows that Labour could
run third if Labour runs third and is eliminated. You know,
under the preferential system, the current socialist left arrangement all
around Australia, which Elbow should veto has his rhetoric indicates,
will put the Greens ahead of the Liberals, and we say, no,
(46:38):
don't do that, voter.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
Let me just pull that apart so people at home
can follow you. So you've got let's say the Libs
come in first but not enough to win in their
own right, then comes the Greens and then comes Labor.
Labour get eliminated, their preferences get distributed. Now for those
people who think independently, they might not put the Greens
number two. But if they've just followed Labors how to
vote card and they do those preferences that they obviously
(47:04):
I've got a primary vote first Labor, their preferences will
then flow to the Greens and that could mean the
Greens leap frog and get the seats.
Speaker 12 (47:12):
That's what you say, that's obviously the danger. That's completely correct, Peter,
And you know that's an unconscionable thing for middle of
the road voters, either Liberal or Labor. In McNamara, my
old seat in Melvin puts we don't want the Greens
and we want to point out their record. They should
be defeated on the basis of people knowing what they
stand for.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
But over the weekend we've heard all these labor ministers.
We've heard even the Prime Minister say, you know we're
fighting against the Greens. I fought Greens, you know, my
whole political life in my seat. If he really is
fighting the Greens, why give the Greens labor preferences?
Speaker 12 (47:49):
Well, the point of the spear is exactly that, don't
give them preferences. Do you think Green voters wouldn't vote
give their preferences to labor if labor preference against the
Greens in some seats, of course they are uplift of
center voters. You know, the old Green Party used to
stand for Koala's and opposition to air pollution. I'm in
favor of that too. Their voters won't vote against labor.
(48:12):
If Albo had the courage to tell people around the country,
don't give your preferences to the Greens, just.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Quickly we had nine over the weekend reported in the
papers today in Australian Multicultural Council member has been caught
out with pretty horrific anti Israel posts since pulled them down.
But what does that say to you?
Speaker 12 (48:34):
Well, there's also a bloke from Climate two thousand who's
call for a boycott of Israel. I mean that bloke Walsh,
he should be chucked out of that. Zoe Daniel's got
seven hundred thousand dollars from Climate two thousand, Peter, do
you reckon she's not going to listen to the bloke
who gave her all of that money. I mean, really,
Climbate two thousand and the teals their one identity, And
(48:55):
I'd be very worrying if you're in a political party.
Where were the people who are giving out the dough,
calling for a boycott of Israel and other anti Israel
measures sim in homes. The court should take some action
against that people.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
And of course it's got the law be power broken
if of course they are.
Speaker 12 (49:10):
You know, it's really a political party, a clandestine one.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
Thanks for your help tonight getting all of that out there.
All right, that's it for me. You see tomorrow night
at six big election campaign. Don't miss it. Here on Kredline,
here's Andrew
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