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This is a DynaMic Network podcast.
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Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly show where wereview superhero films and debate the superiority
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DC. And I'm his twin brother, Marvelous Joe.And in this episode, we will be reviewing part
three of DC's Justice League Crisis on InfiniteEarths animated film. It is the conclusion
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of not only the trilogy of Crisis films, butalso... of the tomorrow verse as a whole. Good
riddance is what I say. You know, I wasn't withyou early in the tomorrow verse, but I'm there.
I'm right there. Of course, we're going to betalking about the film later on in this episode.
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But with all of that out of the way, now let'smove on to the main event of this episode,
where we review Justice League. Crisis on InfiniteEarths, part two.
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The final crisis on Infinite Earth's Part III,as I mentioned earlier, is the conclusion to
a trilogy of films that in themselves are theconclusion to a 10-part DC animated film series
known as the Tomorrowverse, which began withSuperman Man of Tomorrow in 2020. The Tomorrowverse
in itself follows a 16-film animated universefrom DC, officially known as the DC Animated
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Movie Universe that began with 2013's JusticeLeague The Flashpoint Paradox and ended with
2020's Justice League Dark Apocalypse War. You'vealready lost me. No, I haven't. You know what
I'm talking about. Though I will admit, maybesome people don't. And that's the problem.
Basically, DC has had two long-running animatedmovie universes. The initial major one was
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the DC animated movie universe, which was 16films, and then the most recent one, which
started in 2020, was the Tomorrowverse. Sortof. It's actually recently been revealed that
the Tomorrowverse is in fact considered to bea part of the DC animated movie universe, just
its second phase, or the second story arc asit were. And I'm not gonna lie, I hate that.
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I thought Justice League Dark Apocalypse Warwas a perfect conclusion. We rated it 5 stars
in our review. And while Crisis Part III doesn'tdiminish Apocalypse War as I was afraid it
was going to while watching it, it does makeit all the more obvious that the Crisis trilogy
is nowhere close to being as good of a film.In fact, I'd say each film in the Crisis trilogy
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got subsequently worse, which is unfortunate,because I wanted the Tomorrowverse to be good.
And with its conclusion dropping the ball, Ifeel like the Tomorrowverse in its entirety
is kind of pointless and better off forgotten.Well, it's strange because it introduced the
concept of the multiverse to DC animation, right?And at the conclusion of this film, that's
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all gone now. So you largely have an exercisein redundancy, I guess. I'm afraid that this
is what's going to happen to the Marvel multiversesaga, is that when all is said and done...
after the events of Avengers Secret War andeverything is perhaps collapsed into one universe
again, a lot of people are going to feel likethese whole series of Marvel phases were pointless.
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Yeah, that's, you should be afraid. You shouldbe very afraid. Because clearly that's possible.
Now I've recommended some Tomorrowverse filmsin the past and if you've gotten to this point
in the universe based on my recommendations,I just want to apologize. I'm not going to
recommend this film, but just in case you planon watching it for yourself and want to avoid
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spoilers, I'd probably stop listening to thisepisode now, then come back later and finish
it once you've seen the movie. You may havebeen spoiled on something already, just go
with it, it's fine. Now I was excited for thisfilm initially, I thought Crisis Part 1 was
really interesting and Part 2 was a decent enoughsetup for what I had hoped. would be a conclusion
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as epic as Justice League Dark Apocalypse War,but what I got instead was actually almost
an hour and a half of people just talking. Like,there was little to no action and not against
any kind of threat that you actually cared about.That's true. I don't think a single punch was
thrown in this movie. You know, there were alot of like beams being fired and stuff like
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that, but it was primarily against the anti-monitor.They did fight some dinosaurs, which I thought
was kind of weird. But yeah, little to no action,which I think is the major downfall. Like the
movie could have been serviceable. Yes, therewas a lot of exposition, a lot of talking and
stuff like that. But I think its biggest crimewas that it wasn't entertaining from a superhero
action standpoint, which is what people watchthese movies for. It's why the genre exists.
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Yeah, I mean, that's fair. I don't necessarilyalways need to be entertained as long as the
story is good and is captivating. But that wasnot the case here. It definitely suffers from
a villain problem, you could say. You know,in the first film, there was a mezzo in the
crime syndicate. In the second, there were shadowdemons and psycho pirates. In the third, there
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was the anti-monitor? Though I'm hesitant toeven call him that because none of the characters
ever did in the film, and he bears little tono resemblance to the anti-monitor from the
comics. This is more of like a shadow demon.Megazord of sorts, but without any of the character
or motivation that was teased in conversationswith Psycho Pirate in part two. Right, yeah,
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they hinted at some characterization of theAnti-Monitor, like you said, toward the end
of part two, but here he was more like a forceof nature, the Anti-Monitor, and there were
like dozens of him, or like millions, I guess.Right, exactly. Yeah, I wanted that motivation.
that hint of it that I saw in part two, butthat never materialized into anything. And
I think there was a huge, huge downfall forthis film. Now I've said in the past that if
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you're going to adapt the crisis on infiniteearth's comic storyline to a film, you first
need to establish a cinematic multiverse beforehand.For anyone not familiar with the comic storyline
from the eighties, it was a way for DC comicsto consolidate the continuity from their golden
and silver age comic stories, which had beenestablished. as existing within separate but
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parallel universes, a multiverse which was revealedto contain a near infinite number of Earths.
On Earth 1 you had the Justice League, on Earth2 you had the Justice Society, on Earth 3 the
heroes were villains and the villains were heroes,Earth 5 was home to the Charlton Comics characters
that DC had acquired, Earth S was home to theFawcett Comics characters,
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so on and so forth. By the Tomorrowverse's secondfilm, Justice Society World War II, the multiverse
was established and it was something most subsequentfilms continue to build upon in anticipation
for this concluding trilogy. Now a lot of peoplehave not loved the Tomorrowverse. From the
beginning, I praised the character designs,but story-wise, other than a fantastic adaptation
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of Batman the Long Halloween and a decent GreenLantern film, The Tomorrowverse wasn't really
good enough to build any kind of anticipation,and the approach to adapting the crisis storyline
across three films was inconsistent at bestand super confusing at worst, because the first
two films kind of play loose with time and don'tfollow a linear narrative structure. This one
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does. I wasn't anticipating that, and it waskind of disappointing. Now, unfortunately,
I wouldn't be surprised if most audiences foundthe film super confusing and inaccessible because
it requires you to have knowledge of animatedprojects outside of the existing Tomorrowverse
films. Not only do they reference Justice LeagueDark Apocalypse War, but they have homages
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to Super Friends, Teen Titans, and The Timverse,which includes Justice League, the animated
series, and Batman, the animated series. Thething is, though, Even if you're a fan of those
shows, the brief cameos they offer really weren'tenough to get excited about, except for maybe
the final performance of Kevin Conroy as Batmanand Mark Cowell's Joker in that homage. But
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otherwise, yeah, I was not impressed. I agree.I do want to take a moment to highlight Kevin
Conroy's final performance, though. If you'regoing to go out with a bang, that is how you
do it. The scene between his Batman... and MarkHamill's Joker, you know, it was less than
a minute long. But the dialogue between thetwo of Batman realizing that his universe was
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coming to an end and to decide to go out fightingthe Joker was perfection. And I'm so glad that
Kevin Conroy got that opportunity as his finalperformance, because it was very touching and
probably honestly the best part of this film.Hands down, it was the best part of this film.
It was so meta and yet so epic and even catharticin a way. Yeah. If you find the clip online,
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that's all you need to watch from this film,essentially, is what I'm saying. It's a great
clip. You guys should watch it if you decidenot to watch the film. But even then, the Batman,
the animated series homage, along with the otherhomages and so many things in this trilogy
felt shoehorned. For sure. You know what itreminded me of? It reminded me of DC's attempt
to explore the multiverse in the Flash movie,the live action Flash movie that came out with
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Ezra Miller, how we saw all these differentworlds with like, you know, Adam West's Batman
and George Reeve's Superman and ChristopherReeve's Superman. It was a nice little wink
and nod for fans of the DC comics and DC media,but it's hollow because there's no real substance
there. Like just showing them and not havingthem be really a part of the story is kind
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of a waste and it's not substantial enough.It's cheap. It's cheap. It's a cheap way to
get you excited. And I'll be honest, I lovedthat scene in the Flash. The more I look back
on it, the more I don't like it as much. I thinkit was probably just the experience of seeing
it in the theater that really made me enjoythat. And I definitely did not get that same
kind of feeling watching this version of itbecause this was like you said, essentially
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the animated version of that. It was just thrownin there as were a ton of characters, like
they introduced us to a modern black canary,just so she and green arrow can essentially
wink at each other. And that's basically it.They introduced us to the losers, which Okay,
kind of unnecessary and obscure. They teasedDarkseid, but we didn't get to see a new version
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of him either. The Losers thing actually surprisedme because I realized that there was no DC
showcase short that came out in the time ofthe Tomorrowverse that did not in some way
tie into this crisis series of films. Everyshort had a purpose, whether it was Commandy
or The Losers or Constantine House of Mystery.Right. it was all kind of required viewing
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for full enjoyment of these crisis films. Exactly,yeah. And if you think it's hard to get people
to watch Marvel Disney Plus television showsthat tie into films, look at how the Marvel's
movie performed because it required so muchDisney Plus viewing, such as WandaVision and
Miss Marvel and Secret Invasion to enjoy that.Try getting people to watch the DC Showcase
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shorts. I don't think anybody really watchesthose. Of course we review them on this podcast,
They're some of our least listened to episodes,you know? Yes. By far. So kudos to the people
who actually watch the DC Showcase shorts andare big enough fans to basically consume all
the media that DC is throwing at them. I thinkyou guys are the ones that are going to get
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the most out of this movie and everyone elseis just going to be left so cold. But even
if they did watch the Losers short, it's notlike there's any kind of payoff here. They
mentioned that they're just a bunch of losersand that's it. Like it's kind of cool to see
Aquaman fight a dinosaur, but it's a very fleetingmoment in a film that feels very long. Both
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of my daughters and my wife fell asleep duringthis movie, and I wanted to. I think the third
act was the best part, though. Really? I wasnot happy with the third act. I actually liked
the first act the most. The first act was abunch of randomness because they were in the
Bleed universe where the laws of physics didnot apply. So it was just... Yeah, it was very
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chaotic and strange. Whereas the third act wrappedeverything up, kind of, and answered a lot
of questions. Yeah, I guess, but it wrappedeverything up in an underwhelming way. Like,
everything about this film to me was so underwhelmingand unsatisfying. The only redeeming quality
I really have to comment on, besides the KevinConroy cameo, is the film's ambition. Like
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creating a 10 film universe for the sole purposeof adapting the Crisis on Infinite Earth storyline
is no easy task because it requires the filmmakersto capture the same sense of shock and awe
that readers initially had when decades of storytellingculminated in this epic story with unbelievable
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stakes. It was the infinity war and end gameof its time. And while most of the films in
the Tomorrowverse probably worked really wellon paper. As we've mentioned in our past reviews,
when you see the final product, all you cando is hope that they get it right the next
go-round. Except this time, there won't be.And I guess all I'm left with is the hope that
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James Gunn can do better when DC's next animateduniverse begins with Creature Commandos next
year. That is definitely a good thing that youcan say about this film is that at the end
of the day, it gives you hope, again, that somethingbetter will come along next time. That said,
I have faith that James Gunn will be able toput out a better product. Yeah, same. And honestly,
like James Gunn was going to do that whetherthis film provided closure to an existing animated
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universe or not. So there's not much solacein the fact that this sets up something new
because it was going to happen anyway. Now usuallyin our reviews, we have a character breakdown.
And I'll be honest, there's really no characterarcs in this film to break down. Like sure
there are. character moments that are catharticin some way, but those characters also only
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have like two lines in the entire movie. I thinkthe character with the most development was
probably Constantine. Yeah, you could say that.His story really revolves around his past actions
that resulted in the creation of the multiverse,him and the Flash, but a lot of it is just
really exposition. I'm not sure if he learnsanything. He does get to move on to the afterlife
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at the But other than that, yeah, not much moreto say. Well, he tried to sacrifice himself,
which felt very unconstantine-like, but thedream machine or whatever that was. The miracle
machine. Honestly, I don't remember what that'sfrom. That was the one thing that had me scratching
my head. Oh, that was from the Legion of Superheroes.You remember when Supergirl had to make a wish
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at the very end and like reality kind of split.It was a weird scene. Is that the thing that
Brainiac was using to try to take over the universe?Yes. Okay, alright, yeah, I remember what it
is now. But it was strange because for somereason, the dream machine was outside of time
and space, and yet the bleed dimension was alsooutside of time and space, and I don't know,
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there were a lot of disparate elements thatseemed a little convenient in terms of being
able to withstand the destruction of the primaryuniverse. Right, and you're referring to the
end of the film. The thing is, though, at thatpoint, they're outside of the bleed. They are
on the monitor's spaceship, which exists betweendimensions, but they're also on war world,
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which also exists between dimensions. But theysay that the miracle machine exists between
dimensions. So it's like, what, how many inbetween dimensions are there? Yeah. It seems
like there's a lot of different places to goto escape the anti-monitor is all I'm saying,
especially when you don't have someone like,like sleuth or ratting you out, you know? Right.
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I guess the only other character worth mentioningwas Supergirl. Of course her arc kind of continues
from the past film, but for a majority of thisfilm she basically just feels guilty for killing
the monitor and at the end decides to sacrificeherself because she feels responsible for the
predicament that all of the Earths find themselvesin. So it was inevitable, you know, she died
in the comic storyline as well. Totally sawit coming. The one character that should have
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had more backstory I feel like was Batman.
dick to everyone, didn't learn his lesson, andthen for some reason at the end of this film
he's like, oh, I'm going to lose you all kindof in a way. And it's like, okay, buddy. All
right. Yeah, we never really saw that growth.Not at all. Which is a shame because Jensen
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Ackles was a good Batman. Actually a lot ofthe cast was good here. I just want to make
that shout out. Jensen Ackles as Batman, MeganDonnelly as Supergirl, Darren Criss as Superman,
and Stan Akadik as Wonder Woman. I will missthis voice cast for sure. And Matt Ryan came
back, who has always in my mind been the perfectvoice for Constantine. And this is like for
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sure, for sure the last time we're probablygoing to hear him as the character. So that's
a little bittersweet. Yeah, yeah, I do wishhis dialogue was better. I wish the character
was written better. Definitely not as good asApocalypse War, but that would be a challenge
in and of itself. A few things are as good asApocalypse War, right? Right, fair.
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Let's move on to the story highlights. The filmbegins with the heroes of the multiverse attacking
the Anti-Monitor, successfully damaging himwith light-based attacks, though he adapts
and generates armor to protect himself. Beforethe Anti-Monitor can fully charge up and project
an antimatter wave, the Monitor, having justbeen fatally burned by Supergirl's heat vision
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with his dying breath, sends the
where the anti-monitor can't find them. I wonderwhy he didn't do that to begin with. Why did
he wait until the moment of his death to sendeveryone to the bleed where they were more
safe? Oh, cause he sucks. That's the only reasonI don't know. All right. It seemed like a last
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ditch effort, but it was also the best way toprotect so many earths that had been destroyed
by this point. I think maybe he didn't wantto do it because it was a last ditch effort,
knowing the chaos that would befall the differentEarths if he did. Oh, you mean due to the lack
of laws of physics? Right, quantum physics specifically.I guess Lex Luthor did mention in the movie
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that all the Earths were going to eventuallydie due to these catastrophic events, so maybe
that's the answer to why the monitor didn'tdo this in the first place. Right, right, exactly.
Like I said, it was a last ditch effort. Now,flashing forward eight months, Superman of
Earth-1 and Hawk Girl find Wonder Woman adriftin the bleed and bring her aboard their ship,
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explaining that they found her tiara floatingin the interdimensional space and suspected
her immortality allowed her to survive the Anti-Monitor'santimatter wave from the previous film. After
reuniting with Earth-2 Superman, Wonder Womanis taken to the Monitor ship, where she learns
that because the bleed exists outside of space-time,Both space and time are in flux across the
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surviving worlds, making it a challenge to protectand provide for the survivors. Wonder Woman,
the Superman, and others then rescue the inhabitantsof Earth-1 from dinosaurs that emerged from
a chronal anomaly along with the losers. Nowdoes this movie imply that there was only one
Wonder Woman in the multiverse? It kind of seemedthat way. Right, because then you would have
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a whole multitude of Wonder Women survivingthe destruction of their universe due to the
antimatter wave. Which to me is dumb, because-It's bullshit. Wonder Woman has never been
immortal. I mean, immortal, yes, in the sensethat she doesn't age, or like ages very slowly,
and may not die from aging. But the fact thatshe could survive antimatter when so many other
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things in the universe couldn't, makes me wonderwhy she gets to be so special. Yeah, none of
the other Themyscirans or even like the Olympiangods or anything else that was around in that
universe were able to outlive its destruction.But she was. So dumb, I hated that. They used
that at the end though, implying that like becauseshe was immortal she had like almost infinite
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life to sacrifice, I guess was the idea. That'show I understood it. Also hated that. If you
make Wonder Woman immortal, why even give herbracelets? You know? That's true. I don't get
it, I don't get it. Now, Secret Society of Super-Villains,led by Lex Luthor, convenes on Earth 10, where
they discuss how the multiverse Earths can'tsurvive the bleed. It's revealed that Psycho-Pirate
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is Lex's prisoner, and Lex forces Psycho-Pirateto reach out to the Anti-Monitor. Meanwhile,
on the same Earth, Batman and his allies battlean army of time-displaced Nazi soldiers armed
with weapons from Gotham's villains. When Batmanis gassed with fear toxin, He remembers encountering
an elderly Barry Allen during his time on Warworld.Now of course Earth-10 in the comics is actually
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Earth-X. It's like the Roman numeral 10 whereNazis never lost the war. It's the Earth where
the quality comics characters like Uncle Samand Black Condor live. One thing I really didn't
get in this film is how Psycho Pirate becameso freaking weak. Like how would he become
Lex Luthor's prisoner when he could totallyjust take control of Lex Luthor and all of
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the other villains? Well, he was being torturedat the start of this movie, so you have to
assume that somehow he was captured and torturedimmediately, I guess? Okay, maybe, but also
he's the freaking Psycho Pirate. Like he wastotally amped up with power in the second film.
and could have easily just projected his emotionsto take control of the situation, whether he's
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being tortured or not. Like if he's feelingpain and like distress from being tortured,
he could project that distress onto the peopletorturing him. That's valid. So that was dumb.
Moving on back on the mothership, as Supergirlexpresses remorse for killing the monitor,
Lex Luthor arrives just as the Anti-Monitorfinds and destroys Aquaman's underwater world
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of Earth-146. by projecting an antimatter wave.After Batman confides with Dr. Midnight about
his vision of the Flash, Dr. Fate confirms thatBatman's vision was real and that to solve
their ongoing crisis they would need to lookback to before the creation of the multiverse.
When Jon Stewart remembers that John Constantinementioned that he'd been around since before
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the universe began, they manage to find himdrunk in a saloon on Earth 18. and suffering
from memory loss. The scene in which Supergirlis confessing her guilt to Batgirl, I assume
is around the time that Supergirl revealed theexistence of the dream machine to Barbara Gordon,
and I'm wondering why she didn't ever thinkto use the dream machine to stop the Anti-Monitor
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to begin with. That's a great question, andthat's a major plot hole. She knew the location,
so she could have easily told everyone whereto find it and how they could use it. It's
really weird that she didn't do that. But, youknow, regardless, at the very minimum, they
should have had the scene where she told Batgirlabout it. Yeah. Maybe they didn't have that
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because then they realized that if that hadbeen the case, she could have used the Miracle
Machine to save everyone from the very start.Plot hole. Now after the Anti-Monitor finds
and destroys Earth-2, the heroes on Monitor'sship deduce that the Anti-Monitor is able to
find their worlds in the Bleed. because someonethere is in contact with him. While Lex Luthor
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confesses to sacrificing worlds to gain moreinformation on the anti-monitor, back on Earth
18, Batman, Dr. Fate, and Constantine performa seance to access Constantine's past memories,
where they view the concluding events of thefilm Justice League Dark Apocalypse War and
learn that Constantine encouraged the Flashto go back in time to kill Darkseid as a baby,
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so that he could never destroy their universe.Unknown to the Flash, Constantine sacrificed
a part of his soul to place a spell on Flashso that any being he encountered would die,
knowing that the Flash wouldn't be able to bringhimself to actually kill a baby. As one of
the immutable pillars of existence, Darkseid'sdeath shattered reality, creating a multiverse
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of infinite Earths. First of all, how cute wasbaby Darkseid? I just wanted to grab him and
squeeze him and just be like, aw, little babyDarkseid. I don't think I could have come to
kill him either. He was just too adorable. Secondof all, how do you feel about Darkseid being
like a pillar of the universe what the MCU wouldcall an absolute point or a nexus being or
something like that? I think it makes totalsense. I actually really liked that explanation.
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They also refer to him as like a fixed pointin time. So yeah, it reminded me a lot of like
a nexus being for a Marvel. Does that mean thoughthat the DC universe is- always destined to
be destroyed by Darkseid obtaining the anti-lifeequation. I think so. I think so. I think that's
what the final crisis was all about in the comicsbecause that's what happens. Darkseid is essentially
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DC's devil, and there's only one of him in theentire multiverse in the comics when the multiverse
was reestablished. So yeah, I actually reallyliked that. My understanding of the situation
is that because Constantine and the Flash createda universe in which there was no Darkseid,
universe kind of shattered and started cascadingin a series of events and choices that would
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split off alternate dimensions and whatnot.Yeah, an infinite number of dimensions. It
was unsustainable essentially is how they explainedit. Now when the heroes witness anti-monitor
destroy Earth A.D. which is Commandy's Earth,Lex deduces that the energy of the merged suns
should be powerful enough to destroy the anti-monitorthough Superman would likely die absorbing
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and delivering the Guilt-stricken, Kara takesSuperman's place, flying into the sun to absorb
its energy. When the Anti-Monitor appears inthe Bleed once again, the heroes of the Multiverse
attack it in an effort to buy Kara time to absorbenough energy. When Martian Manhunter takes
over Lex Luthor's mind, using him to encourageSuperman to disable the Earth's towers and
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pull the planets out of the Bleed, the heroescomply, allowing
and deliver a blow to Anti-Monitor strong enoughto crack his armor. Meanwhile, on Earth 18,
new members from the Green Lantern Corps findJon Stewart and deliver him a Green Lantern
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Ring. And now we finally know why the Warworldmovie even existed, because I think we speculated
in previous reviews that the Warworld moviehad no purpose in the larger Tomorrowverse
narrative, and we were wrong. this was its purpose,to be used as a weapon against the Anti-Monitor.
Right, exactly. Part of me still doesn't care.Part of me doesn't think that needed to be
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a film. But I mean, it is honestly cool to seeWarworld in action. When Anti-Monitor attacks
Warworld, Jon Stewart and his core members manageto shield it from the Anti-Monitor wave. To
fuel Warworld with enough emotional energy toattack Anti-Monitor again. Martian Manhunter
takes control of the mind of Electrocutioneron Earth-10 to persuade Psycho Pirate to use
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his power to unify the emotions of every Earthin the Multiverse. With Warworld able to breach
the Anti-Monitor's armor once again, a solar-energizedSupergirl flies into Anti-Monitor and sacrifices
herself to destroy him. Superman brings herbody to Warworld, where the heroes and villains
of the Multiverse have grouped. Now, one thingthat I thought was bullshit was the fact that
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the Green Lanterns were able to stop an anti-monitorwave. Because everything that the heroes have
been throwing at it prior to this proved ineffective.So why now all of a sudden? Yeah, the Green
Lanterns were like, this isn't going to work.And just it was like, you just have to have
the willpower or something like that. I'm like,that's such crap. Because then you could just
have the Green Lanterns going and protectingevery Earth. They could have been doing that
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this whole time. The movie does make you thinkthat Psycho Pirate would find newfound motivation
in trying to take over Warworld because thePsycho Pirate controlled Warworld would be
almost unstoppable, you would think. Oh, absolutely.Yeah, that'd be wild. I am really curious as
to what emotion he had everyone in the multiversefeel, all of the different Earths, because
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they never say. They all got super horny. That'sit. That's probably it. I can see that. Yeah.
Stupid. When Batman and Doctor Fate explainedthe reason for the multiverses broken and expanding
nature, it's deduced that the Anti-Monitor wasthe multiverses natural defense to stop its
limitless and chaotic expansion. As hundredsmore Anti-Monitors suddenly emerge, Batgirl
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reveals that Supergirl once told her of a miraclemachine that existed in a pocket dimension
between realities. Using Nightshade's teleportationpowers, the heroes are able to transfer the
miracle machine to Warworld. As Earth's 508and 12 fall to the Anti-Monitors, the heroes
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come to the conclusion that to save the multiverse,they need to merge it into one prime universe
with its own history. How did Marshall Manhunterknow where to find the Dream Machine? So my
guess is that since Warworld exists betweenuniverses, he was able to expertly navigate
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them because that's what he had been doing thiswhole time. You know, he was in the bleed with
everyone else. He had always been on Warworld,just in between everything. How he was able
to get Nightshade to teleport the miracle machineonto Warworld, even though she was like, I
can't do it, was weird, because he was justlike, oh, yeah, you can. And it was just there.
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Good explanation. Exactly. I wonder why if MarshallManhunter had control of. Warworld this entire
time if he didn't kind of corral the survivingheroes and use it as a base since apparently
It was able to navigate the multiverse in thatway. It became a base at the end But I feel
like that could have happened sooner Yeah, hereally should have been around in the first
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two movies, but they did that whole trick withlike Oh, he was there when Warworld exploded.
Wait. No, he wasn't It was cheap. In the finalmoments of the film Wonder Woman sacrifices
her immortal self to power the miracle machineto create a new universe, which a majority
of the heroes and villains step into, sayinggoodbye to one another before merging into
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the new universe. As the rest of the multiverseand war world are destroyed, the Spectre and
Constantine move into the afterlife. In thenew single Prime Universe, a young Wonder Woman
plays on the island paradise of Themyscira.Which makes me wonder how she got there, because
she wasn't one of the few that walked into thenew universe. I assume the new universe is
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populated by people whether they sacrifice themselvesor not. I mean, people who did sacrifice themselves
were just a part of a larger whole, I guess,as it were. But the line regarding Wonder Woman's
immortality not being a thing anymore kind ofthrew me off because I guess they're saying
she's not immortal now? Yeah, her mother QueenHippolyta implied that. She was like, princesses
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aren't immortal. I was like, what? Now she'snot? Okay? I didn't quite look hard enough
to determine if the art style of the new DCPrime animated universe was very different
from the Tomorrowverse. Like, was that finalscene done in the same style that the upcoming
Creature Commandos is going to be in? And ifso, is this our first look at James Gunn's
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new DCU? It's hard to tell. Because the characterdesigns in the Tomorrowverse weren't like that
same kind of blocky Tim-verse style, you know,they were all pretty unique. I can't tell if
this is a new style of animation or if it'smore of the same. It looks like it's more of
the same to me personally. But who's to saythat that's not the style that we'll be seeing
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with Creature Commandos? It could be. I guesswe'll find out later this year. If this in
fact is that same style, I wonder if this impliesthat this is our first look at Wonder Woman
in James Gunn's DCU. And maybe our first lookat- Themyscira that's gonna be in the Paradise
Lost HBO series. And maybe our first look atthe Wonder Woman costume that she'll be wearing
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with like the pants, which I would hate. Lotof speculation, lot of unanswered questions,
which I don't love. Like at the end of a cinematicuniverse, as it were, I would love for everything
to be wrapped up in a nice bow. That's not thecase here. And I can't express how disappointed
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I am. by the whole Tomorrowverse project. Now,with this film specifically, though it's ambitious
and heartfelt, it's convoluted and it's a dullconclusion to the Tomorrowverse that proves
inaccessible to all but DC's most diehard animationfans. I really hope you guys are out there
and I really hope you were able to get someenjoyment out of this if you were, because
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no one else did. And I say that as a diehardanimation fan from DC. Now we gave Crisis Part
1 3.5 stars, we gave Crisis Part 2 3 stars.I think this film, Part 3, is one step below
that. So I'm giving it 2.5 stars, a rotten ratingon Rotten Tomatoes. I don't recommend it, and
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overall I can't really say I recommend the Tomorrowverseas a whole, unfortunately. I would recommend
if you're interested in getting into DC animation.to either re-watch or watch for the first time
the DC animated movie universe, which beganwith Justice League the Flashpoint Paradox
and ended with Apocalypse War. And just endthere. Like, don't continue on after that.
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It's not worth it. Except for maybe Batman andLong Halloween. That was good. Yeah. But if
anything, the brief glimpse that we got in thisfilm of Justice League Dark Apocalypse War,
you know, like seeing those characters and thatart style. and all that, just maybe remember
how much we connected with those charactersemotionally. So much more than we did with
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these hollow shells that were in the Tomorrowverse.And it also reminded me of just how great Apocalypse
War was. It definitely makes me want to rewatchit again. It makes me want to watch all of
the films in the DC animated movie universebecause actually there's a few that I haven't
seen. And it was just a really well put togethercinematic universe, one that rivaled, in my
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opinion, the MCU's Infinity Saga. Absolutely,but you're not going to get a chance to re-watch
the DC AMU films because you have a whole lotof other animated television shows to watch
this summer including My Adventures with Supermanseason 2, Suicide Squad Isekai season 1, Batman
Caped Crusader season 1, Kite Man season 1,and Watchmen chapter 1. So you have all of
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your free time accounted for basically. If youguys don't hear from me, it's because I'm watching
TV. That is my life now. I have to start watchingHit Monkey too, but I'm really looking forward
to that. I'm looking forward to all of it. ThoughI will say, we will be dropping some of our
reviews a little late, I think, just so thatall of my life is not just television. I do
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have a job, I do have a family. So if thingsare coming late, just expect that. Yeah, just
know that they are coming. But I think thatdoes it for this review. AJ9K helped close
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awesome review because it's going to be of Deadpooland Wolverine. Another culmination of a trilogy
that is infinitely more awesome than Crisison Infinite Earths. I'm expecting a lot from
Deadpool and Wolverine and I hope it meets myexpectations. I have to try to manage them
because I am just off the walls with anticipation.This is the only MCU film that you're getting
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this year, right? Correct. There's still a couplemore Sony Marvel movies coming out this year,
including Venom and Craven the Hunter. But Deadpooland Wolverine is the only MCU film. Yeah. We're
not getting another Marvel Studios film untilValentine's Day with Captain America Brave
New World. I was going to say sucks to suck,but I only have Joker 2 coming out this year.
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But that's going to be phenomenal, like waybetter than Deadpool and Wolverine. Manage
your expectations. We all know Joker Part 2is going to suck. OK. It's a musical. All right.
I don't know that. You can't say that, I don'tknow that. But that does it for this episode
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But with all of that out of the way, now let'smove on to the main event of this episode,
where we review Justice League. Crisis on InfiniteEarths, part two.
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The final crisis on Infinite Earth's Part III,as I mentioned earlier, is the conclusion to
a trilogy of films that in themselves are theconclusion to a 10-part DC animated film series
known as the Tomorrowverse, which began withSuperman Man of Tomorrow in 2020. The Tomorrowverse
in itself follows a 16-film animated universefrom DC, officially known as the DC Animated
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Movie Universe that began with 2013's JusticeLeague The Flashpoint Paradox and ended with
2020's Justice League Dark Apocalypse War. You'vealready lost me. No, I haven't. You know what
I'm talking about. Though I will admit, maybesome people don't. And that's the problem.
Basically, DC has had two long-running animatedmovie universes. The initial major one was
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the DC animated movie universe, which was 16films, and then the most recent one, which
started in 2020, was the Tomorrowverse. Sortof. It's actually recently been revealed that
the Tomorrowverse is in fact considered to bea part of the DC animated movie universe, just
its second phase, or the second story arc asit were. And I'm not gonna lie, I hate that.
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I thought Justice League Dark Apocalypse Warwas a perfect conclusion. We rated it 5 stars
in our review. And while Crisis Part III doesn'tdiminish Apocalypse War as I was afraid it
was going to while watching it, it does makeit all the more obvious that the Crisis trilogy
is nowhere close to being as good of a film.In fact, I'd say each film in the Crisis trilogy
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got subsequently worse, which is unfortunate,because I wanted the Tomorrowverse to be good.
And with its conclusion dropping the ball, Ifeel like the Tomorrowverse in its entirety
is kind of pointless and better off forgotten.Well, it's strange because it introduced the
concept of the multiverse to DC animation, right?And at the conclusion of this film, that's
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all gone now. So you largely have an exercisein redundancy, I guess. I'm afraid that this
is what's going to happen to the Marvel multiversesaga, is that when all is said and done...
after the events of Avengers Secret War andeverything is perhaps collapsed into one universe
again, a lot of people are going to feel likethese whole series of Marvel phases were pointless.
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Yeah, that's, you should be afraid. You shouldbe very afraid. Because clearly that's possible.
Now I've recommended some Tomorrowverse filmsin the past and if you've gotten to this point
in the universe based on my recommendations,I just want to apologize. I'm not going to
recommend this film, but just in case you planon watching it for yourself and want to avoid
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spoilers, I'd probably stop listening to thisepisode now, then come back later and finish
it once you've seen the movie. You may havebeen spoiled on something already, just go
with it, it's fine. Now I was excited for thisfilm initially, I thought Crisis Part 1 was
really interesting and Part 2 was a decent enoughsetup for what I had hoped. would be a conclusion
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as epic as Justice League Dark Apocalypse War,but what I got instead was actually almost
an hour and a half of people just talking. Like,there was little to no action and not against
any kind of threat that you actually cared about.That's true. I don't think a single punch was
thrown in this movie. You know, there were alot of like beams being fired and stuff like
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that, but it was primarily against the anti-monitor.They did fight some dinosaurs, which I thought
was kind of weird. But yeah, little to no action,which I think is the major downfall. Like the
movie could have been serviceable. Yes, therewas a lot of exposition, a lot of talking and
stuff like that. But I think its biggest crimewas that it wasn't entertaining from a superhero
action standpoint, which is what people watchthese movies for. It's why the genre exists.
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Yeah, I mean, that's fair. I don't necessarilyalways need to be entertained as long as the
story is good and is captivating. But that wasnot the case here. It definitely suffers from
a villain problem, you could say. You know,in the first film, there was a mezzo in the
crime syndicate. In the second, there were shadowdemons and psycho pirates. In the third, there
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was the anti-monitor? Though I'm hesitant toeven call him that because none of the characters
ever did in the film, and he bears little tono resemblance to the anti-monitor from the
comics. This is more of like a shadow demon.Megazord of sorts, but without any of the character
or motivation that was teased in conversationswith Psycho Pirate in part two. Right, yeah,
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they hinted at some characterization of theAnti-Monitor, like you said, toward the end
of part two, but here he was more like a forceof nature, the Anti-Monitor, and there were
like dozens of him, or like millions, I guess.Right, exactly. Yeah, I wanted that motivation.
that hint of it that I saw in part two, butthat never materialized into anything. And
I think there was a huge, huge downfall forthis film. Now I've said in the past that if
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you're going to adapt the crisis on infiniteearth's comic storyline to a film, you first
need to establish a cinematic multiverse beforehand.For anyone not familiar with the comic storyline
from the eighties, it was a way for DC comicsto consolidate the continuity from their golden
and silver age comic stories, which had beenestablished. as existing within separate but
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parallel universes, a multiverse which was revealedto contain a near infinite number of Earths.
On Earth 1 you had the Justice League, on Earth2 you had the Justice Society, on Earth 3 the
heroes were villains and the villains were heroes,Earth 5 was home to the Charlton Comics characters
that DC had acquired, Earth S was home to theFawcett Comics characters,
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so on and so forth. By the Tomorrowverse's secondfilm, Justice Society World War II, the multiverse
was established and it was something most subsequentfilms continue to build upon in anticipation
for this concluding trilogy. Now a lot of peoplehave not loved the Tomorrowverse. From the
beginning, I praised the character designs,but story-wise, other than a fantastic adaptation
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of Batman the Long Halloween and a decent GreenLantern film, The Tomorrowverse wasn't really
good enough to build any kind of anticipation,and the approach to adapting the crisis storyline
across three films was inconsistent at bestand super confusing at worst, because the first
two films kind of play loose with time and don'tfollow a linear narrative structure. This one
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does. I wasn't anticipating that, and it waskind of disappointing. Now, unfortunately,
I wouldn't be surprised if most audiences foundthe film super confusing and inaccessible because
it requires you to have knowledge of animatedprojects outside of the existing Tomorrowverse
films. Not only do they reference Justice LeagueDark Apocalypse War, but they have homages
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to Super Friends, Teen Titans, and The Timverse,which includes Justice League, the animated
series, and Batman, the animated series. Thething is, though, Even if you're a fan of those
shows, the brief cameos they offer really weren'tenough to get excited about, except for maybe
the final performance of Kevin Conroy as Batmanand Mark Cowell's Joker in that homage. But
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otherwise, yeah, I was not impressed. I agree.I do want to take a moment to highlight Kevin
Conroy's final performance, though. If you'regoing to go out with a bang, that is how you
do it. The scene between his Batman... and MarkHamill's Joker, you know, it was less than
a minute long. But the dialogue between thetwo of Batman realizing that his universe was
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coming to an end and to decide to go out fightingthe Joker was perfection. And I'm so glad that
Kevin Conroy got that opportunity as his finalperformance, because it was very touching and
probably honestly the best part of this film.Hands down, it was the best part of this film.
It was so meta and yet so epic and even catharticin a way. Yeah. If you find the clip online,
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that's all you need to watch from this film,essentially, is what I'm saying. It's a great
clip. You guys should watch it if you decidenot to watch the film. But even then, the Batman,
the animated series homage, along with the otherhomages and so many things in this trilogy
felt shoehorned. For sure. You know what itreminded me of? It reminded me of DC's attempt
to explore the multiverse in the Flash movie,the live action Flash movie that came out with
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Ezra Miller, how we saw all these differentworlds with like, you know, Adam West's Batman
and George Reeve's Superman and ChristopherReeve's Superman. It was a nice little wink
and nod for fans of the DC comics and DC media,but it's hollow because there's no real substance
there. Like just showing them and not havingthem be really a part of the story is kind
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of a waste and it's not substantial enough.It's cheap. It's cheap. It's a cheap way to
get you excited. And I'll be honest, I lovedthat scene in the Flash. The more I look back
on it, the more I don't like it as much. I thinkit was probably just the experience of seeing
it in the theater that really made me enjoythat. And I definitely did not get that same
kind of feeling watching this version of itbecause this was like you said, essentially
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the animated version of that. It was just thrownin there as were a ton of characters, like
they introduced us to a modern black canary,just so she and green arrow can essentially
wink at each other. And that's basically it.They introduced us to the losers, which Okay,
kind of unnecessary and obscure. They teasedDarkseid, but we didn't get to see a new version
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of him either. The Losers thing actually surprisedme because I realized that there was no DC
showcase short that came out in the time ofthe Tomorrowverse that did not in some way
tie into this crisis series of films. Everyshort had a purpose, whether it was Commandy
or The Losers or Constantine House of Mystery.Right. it was all kind of required viewing
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for full enjoyment of these crisis films. Exactly,yeah. And if you think it's hard to get people
to watch Marvel Disney Plus television showsthat tie into films, look at how the Marvel's
movie performed because it required so muchDisney Plus viewing, such as WandaVision and
Miss Marvel and Secret Invasion to enjoy that.Try getting people to watch the DC Showcase
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shorts. I don't think anybody really watchesthose. Of course we review them on this podcast,
They're some of our least listened to episodes,you know? Yes. By far. So kudos to the people
who actually watch the DC Showcase shorts andare big enough fans to basically consume all
the media that DC is throwing at them. I thinkyou guys are the ones that are going to get
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the most out of this movie and everyone elseis just going to be left so cold. But even
if they did watch the Losers short, it's notlike there's any kind of payoff here. They
mentioned that they're just a bunch of losersand that's it. Like it's kind of cool to see
Aquaman fight a dinosaur, but it's a very fleetingmoment in a film that feels very long. Both
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of my daughters and my wife fell asleep duringthis movie, and I wanted to. I think the third
act was the best part, though. Really? I wasnot happy with the third act. I actually liked
the first act the most. The first act was abunch of randomness because they were in the
Bleed universe where the laws of physics didnot apply. So it was just... Yeah, it was very
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chaotic and strange. Whereas the third act wrappedeverything up, kind of, and answered a lot
of questions. Yeah, I guess, but it wrappedeverything up in an underwhelming way. Like,
everything about this film to me was so underwhelmingand unsatisfying. The only redeeming quality
I really have to comment on, besides the KevinConroy cameo, is the film's ambition. Like
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creating a 10 film universe for the sole purposeof adapting the Crisis on Infinite Earth storyline
is no easy task because it requires the filmmakersto capture the same sense of shock and awe
that readers initially had when decades of storytellingculminated in this epic story with unbelievable
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stakes. It was the infinity war and end gameof its time. And while most of the films in
the Tomorrowverse probably worked really wellon paper. As we've mentioned in our past reviews,
when you see the final product, all you cando is hope that they get it right the next
go-round. Except this time, there won't be.And I guess all I'm left with is the hope that
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James Gunn can do better when DC's next animateduniverse begins with Creature Commandos next
year. That is definitely a good thing that youcan say about this film is that at the end
of the day, it gives you hope, again, that somethingbetter will come along next time. That said,
I have faith that James Gunn will be able toput out a better product. Yeah, same. And honestly,
like James Gunn was going to do that whetherthis film provided closure to an existing animated
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universe or not. So there's not much solacein the fact that this sets up something new
because it was going to happen anyway. Now usuallyin our reviews, we have a character breakdown.
And I'll be honest, there's really no characterarcs in this film to break down. Like sure
there are. character moments that are catharticin some way, but those characters also only
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have like two lines in the entire movie. I thinkthe character with the most development was
probably Constantine. Yeah, you could say that.His story really revolves around his past actions
that resulted in the creation of the multiverse,him and the Flash, but a lot of it is just
really exposition. I'm not sure if he learnsanything. He does get to move on to the afterlife
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at the But other than that, yeah, not much moreto say. Well, he tried to sacrifice himself,
which felt very unconstantine-like, but thedream machine or whatever that was. The miracle
machine. Honestly, I don't remember what that'sfrom. That was the one thing that had me scratching
my head. Oh, that was from the Legion of Superheroes.You remember when Supergirl had to make a wish
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at the very end and like reality kind of split.It was a weird scene. Is that the thing that
Brainiac was using to try to take over the universe?Yes. Okay, alright, yeah, I remember what it
is now. But it was strange because for somereason, the dream machine was outside of time
and space, and yet the bleed dimension was alsooutside of time and space, and I don't know,
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there were a lot of disparate elements thatseemed a little convenient in terms of being
able to withstand the destruction of the primaryuniverse. Right, and you're referring to the
end of the film. The thing is, though, at thatpoint, they're outside of the bleed. They are
on the monitor's spaceship, which exists betweendimensions, but they're also on war world,
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which also exists between dimensions. But theysay that the miracle machine exists between
dimensions. So it's like, what, how many inbetween dimensions are there? Yeah. It seems
like there's a lot of different places to goto escape the anti-monitor is all I'm saying,
especially when you don't have someone like,like sleuth or ratting you out, you know? Right.
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I guess the only other character worth mentioningwas Supergirl. Of course her arc kind of continues
from the past film, but for a majority of thisfilm she basically just feels guilty for killing
the monitor and at the end decides to sacrificeherself because she feels responsible for the
predicament that all of the Earths find themselvesin. So it was inevitable, you know, she died
in the comic storyline as well. Totally sawit coming. The one character that should have
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had more backstory I feel like was Batman.
dick to everyone, didn't learn his lesson, andthen for some reason at the end of this film
he's like, oh, I'm going to lose you all kindof in a way. And it's like, okay, buddy. All
right. Yeah, we never really saw that growth.Not at all. Which is a shame because Jensen
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Ackles was a good Batman. Actually a lot ofthe cast was good here. I just want to make
that shout out. Jensen Ackles as Batman, MeganDonnelly as Supergirl, Darren Criss as Superman,
and Stan Akadik as Wonder Woman. I will missthis voice cast for sure. And Matt Ryan came
back, who has always in my mind been the perfectvoice for Constantine. And this is like for
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sure, for sure the last time we're probablygoing to hear him as the character. So that's
a little bittersweet. Yeah, yeah, I do wishhis dialogue was better. I wish the character
was written better. Definitely not as good asApocalypse War, but that would be a challenge
in and of itself. A few things are as good asApocalypse War, right? Right, fair.
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Let's move on to the story highlights. The filmbegins with the heroes of the multiverse attacking
the Anti-Monitor, successfully damaging himwith light-based attacks, though he adapts
and generates armor to protect himself. Beforethe Anti-Monitor can fully charge up and project
an antimatter wave, the Monitor, having justbeen fatally burned by Supergirl's heat vision
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with his dying breath, sends the
where the anti-monitor can't find them. I wonderwhy he didn't do that to begin with. Why did
he wait until the moment of his death to sendeveryone to the bleed where they were more
safe? Oh, cause he sucks. That's the only reasonI don't know. All right. It seemed like a last
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ditch effort, but it was also the best way toprotect so many earths that had been destroyed
by this point. I think maybe he didn't wantto do it because it was a last ditch effort,
knowing the chaos that would befall the differentEarths if he did. Oh, you mean due to the lack
of laws of physics? Right, quantum physics specifically.I guess Lex Luthor did mention in the movie
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that all the Earths were going to eventuallydie due to these catastrophic events, so maybe
that's the answer to why the monitor didn'tdo this in the first place. Right, right, exactly.
Like I said, it was a last ditch effort. Now,flashing forward eight months, Superman of
Earth-1 and Hawk Girl find Wonder Woman adriftin the bleed and bring her aboard their ship,
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explaining that they found her tiara floatingin the interdimensional space and suspected
her immortality allowed her to survive the Anti-Monitor'santimatter wave from the previous film. After
reuniting with Earth-2 Superman, Wonder Womanis taken to the Monitor ship, where she learns
that because the bleed exists outside of space-time,Both space and time are in flux across the
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surviving worlds, making it a challenge to protectand provide for the survivors. Wonder Woman,
the Superman, and others then rescue the inhabitantsof Earth-1 from dinosaurs that emerged from
a chronal anomaly along with the losers. Nowdoes this movie imply that there was only one
Wonder Woman in the multiverse? It kind of seemedthat way. Right, because then you would have
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a whole multitude of Wonder Women survivingthe destruction of their universe due to the
antimatter wave. Which to me is dumb, because-It's bullshit. Wonder Woman has never been
immortal. I mean, immortal, yes, in the sensethat she doesn't age, or like ages very slowly,
and may not die from aging. But the fact thatshe could survive antimatter when so many other
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things in the universe couldn't, makes me wonderwhy she gets to be so special. Yeah, none of
the other Themyscirans or even like the Olympiangods or anything else that was around in that
universe were able to outlive its destruction.But she was. So dumb, I hated that. They used
that at the end though, implying that like becauseshe was immortal she had like almost infinite
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life to sacrifice, I guess was the idea. That'show I understood it. Also hated that. If you
make Wonder Woman immortal, why even give herbracelets? You know? That's true. I don't get
it, I don't get it. Now, Secret Society of Super-Villains,led by Lex Luthor, convenes on Earth 10, where
they discuss how the multiverse Earths can'tsurvive the bleed. It's revealed that Psycho-Pirate
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is Lex's prisoner, and Lex forces Psycho-Pirateto reach out to the Anti-Monitor. Meanwhile,
on the same Earth, Batman and his allies battlean army of time-displaced Nazi soldiers armed
with weapons from Gotham's villains. When Batmanis gassed with fear toxin, He remembers encountering
an elderly Barry Allen during his time on Warworld.Now of course Earth-10 in the comics is actually
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Earth-X. It's like the Roman numeral 10 whereNazis never lost the war. It's the Earth where
the quality comics characters like Uncle Samand Black Condor live. One thing I really didn't
get in this film is how Psycho Pirate becameso freaking weak. Like how would he become
Lex Luthor's prisoner when he could totallyjust take control of Lex Luthor and all of
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the other villains? Well, he was being torturedat the start of this movie, so you have to
assume that somehow he was captured and torturedimmediately, I guess? Okay, maybe, but also
he's the freaking Psycho Pirate. Like he wastotally amped up with power in the second film.
and could have easily just projected his emotionsto take control of the situation, whether he's
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being tortured or not. Like if he's feelingpain and like distress from being tortured,
he could project that distress onto the peopletorturing him. That's valid. So that was dumb.
Moving on back on the mothership, as Supergirlexpresses remorse for killing the monitor,
Lex Luthor arrives just as the Anti-Monitorfinds and destroys Aquaman's underwater world
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of Earth-146. by projecting an antimatter wave.After Batman confides with Dr. Midnight about
his vision of the Flash, Dr. Fate confirms thatBatman's vision was real and that to solve
their ongoing crisis they would need to lookback to before the creation of the multiverse.
When Jon Stewart remembers that John Constantinementioned that he'd been around since before
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the universe began, they manage to find himdrunk in a saloon on Earth 18. and suffering
from memory loss. The scene in which Supergirlis confessing her guilt to Batgirl, I assume
is around the time that Supergirl revealed theexistence of the dream machine to Barbara Gordon,
and I'm wondering why she didn't ever thinkto use the dream machine to stop the Anti-Monitor
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to begin with. That's a great question, andthat's a major plot hole. She knew the location,
so she could have easily told everyone whereto find it and how they could use it. It's
really weird that she didn't do that. But, youknow, regardless, at the very minimum, they
should have had the scene where she told Batgirlabout it. Yeah. Maybe they didn't have that
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because then they realized that if that hadbeen the case, she could have used the Miracle
Machine to save everyone from the very start.Plot hole. Now after the Anti-Monitor finds
and destroys Earth-2, the heroes on Monitor'sship deduce that the Anti-Monitor is able to
find their worlds in the Bleed. because someonethere is in contact with him. While Lex Luthor
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confesses to sacrificing worlds to gain moreinformation on the anti-monitor, back on Earth
18, Batman, Dr. Fate, and Constantine performa seance to access Constantine's past memories,
where they view the concluding events of thefilm Justice League Dark Apocalypse War and
learn that Constantine encouraged the Flashto go back in time to kill Darkseid as a baby,
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so that he could never destroy their universe.Unknown to the Flash, Constantine sacrificed
a part of his soul to place a spell on Flashso that any being he encountered would die,
knowing that the Flash wouldn't be able to bringhimself to actually kill a baby. As one of
the immutable pillars of existence, Darkseid'sdeath shattered reality, creating a multiverse
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of infinite Earths. First of all, how cute wasbaby Darkseid? I just wanted to grab him and
squeeze him and just be like, aw, little babyDarkseid. I don't think I could have come to
kill him either. He was just too adorable. Secondof all, how do you feel about Darkseid being
like a pillar of the universe what the MCU wouldcall an absolute point or a nexus being or
something like that? I think it makes totalsense. I actually really liked that explanation.
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They also refer to him as like a fixed pointin time. So yeah, it reminded me a lot of like
a nexus being for a Marvel. Does that mean thoughthat the DC universe is- always destined to
be destroyed by Darkseid obtaining the anti-lifeequation. I think so. I think so. I think that's
what the final crisis was all about in the comicsbecause that's what happens. Darkseid is essentially
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DC's devil, and there's only one of him in theentire multiverse in the comics when the multiverse
was reestablished. So yeah, I actually reallyliked that. My understanding of the situation
is that because Constantine and the Flash createda universe in which there was no Darkseid,
universe kind of shattered and started cascadingin a series of events and choices that would
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split off alternate dimensions and whatnot.Yeah, an infinite number of dimensions. It
was unsustainable essentially is how they explainedit. Now when the heroes witness anti-monitor
destroy Earth A.D. which is Commandy's Earth,Lex deduces that the energy of the merged suns
should be powerful enough to destroy the anti-monitorthough Superman would likely die absorbing
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and delivering the Guilt-stricken, Kara takesSuperman's place, flying into the sun to absorb
its energy. When the Anti-Monitor appears inthe Bleed once again, the heroes of the Multiverse
attack it in an effort to buy Kara time to absorbenough energy. When Martian Manhunter takes
over Lex Luthor's mind, using him to encourageSuperman to disable the Earth's towers and
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pull the planets out of the Bleed, the heroescomply, allowing
and deliver a blow to Anti-Monitor strong enoughto crack his armor. Meanwhile, on Earth 18,
new members from the Green Lantern Corps findJon Stewart and deliver him a Green Lantern
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Ring. And now we finally know why the Warworldmovie even existed, because I think we speculated
in previous reviews that the Warworld moviehad no purpose in the larger Tomorrowverse
narrative, and we were wrong. this was its purpose,to be used as a weapon against the Anti-Monitor.
Right, exactly. Part of me still doesn't care.Part of me doesn't think that needed to be
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a film. But I mean, it is honestly cool to seeWarworld in action. When Anti-Monitor attacks
Warworld, Jon Stewart and his core members manageto shield it from the Anti-Monitor wave. To
fuel Warworld with enough emotional energy toattack Anti-Monitor again. Martian Manhunter
takes control of the mind of Electrocutioneron Earth-10 to persuade Psycho Pirate to use
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his power to unify the emotions of every Earthin the Multiverse. With Warworld able to breach
the Anti-Monitor's armor once again, a solar-energizedSupergirl flies into Anti-Monitor and sacrifices
herself to destroy him. Superman brings herbody to Warworld, where the heroes and villains
of the Multiverse have grouped. Now, one thingthat I thought was bullshit was the fact that
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the Green Lanterns were able to stop an anti-monitorwave. Because everything that the heroes have
been throwing at it prior to this proved ineffective.So why now all of a sudden? Yeah, the Green
Lanterns were like, this isn't going to work.And just it was like, you just have to have
the willpower or something like that. I'm like,that's such crap. Because then you could just
have the Green Lanterns going and protectingevery Earth. They could have been doing that
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this whole time. The movie does make you thinkthat Psycho Pirate would find newfound motivation
in trying to take over Warworld because thePsycho Pirate controlled Warworld would be
almost unstoppable, you would think. Oh, absolutely.Yeah, that'd be wild. I am really curious as
to what emotion he had everyone in the multiversefeel, all of the different Earths, because
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they never say. They all got super horny. That'sit. That's probably it. I can see that. Yeah.
Stupid. When Batman and Doctor Fate explainedthe reason for the multiverses broken and expanding
nature, it's deduced that the Anti-Monitor wasthe multiverses natural defense to stop its
limitless and chaotic expansion. As hundredsmore Anti-Monitors suddenly emerge, Batgirl
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reveals that Supergirl once told her of a miraclemachine that existed in a pocket dimension
between realities. Using Nightshade's teleportationpowers, the heroes are able to transfer the
miracle machine to Warworld. As Earth's 508and 12 fall to the Anti-Monitors, the heroes
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come to the conclusion that to save the multiverse,they need to merge it into one prime universe
with its own history. How did Marshall Manhunterknow where to find the Dream Machine? So my
guess is that since Warworld exists betweenuniverses, he was able to expertly navigate
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them because that's what he had been doing thiswhole time. You know, he was in the bleed with
everyone else. He had always been on Warworld,just in between everything. How he was able
to get Nightshade to teleport the miracle machineonto Warworld, even though she was like, I
can't do it, was weird, because he was justlike, oh, yeah, you can. And it was just there.
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Good explanation. Exactly. I wonder why if MarshallManhunter had control of. Warworld this entire
time if he didn't kind of corral the survivingheroes and use it as a base since apparently
It was able to navigate the multiverse in thatway. It became a base at the end But I feel
like that could have happened sooner Yeah, hereally should have been around in the first
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two movies, but they did that whole trick withlike Oh, he was there when Warworld exploded.
Wait. No, he wasn't It was cheap. In the finalmoments of the film Wonder Woman sacrifices
her immortal self to power the miracle machineto create a new universe, which a majority
of the heroes and villains step into, sayinggoodbye to one another before merging into
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the new universe. As the rest of the multiverseand war world are destroyed, the Spectre and
Constantine move into the afterlife. In thenew single Prime Universe, a young Wonder Woman
plays on the island paradise of Themyscira.Which makes me wonder how she got there, because
she wasn't one of the few that walked into thenew universe. I assume the new universe is
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populated by people whether they sacrifice themselvesor not. I mean, people who did sacrifice themselves
were just a part of a larger whole, I guess,as it were. But the line regarding Wonder Woman's
immortality not being a thing anymore kind ofthrew me off because I guess they're saying
she's not immortal now? Yeah, her mother QueenHippolyta implied that. She was like, princesses
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aren't immortal. I was like, what? Now she'snot? Okay? I didn't quite look hard enough
to determine if the art style of the new DCPrime animated universe was very different
from the Tomorrowverse. Like, was that finalscene done in the same style that the upcoming
Creature Commandos is going to be in? And ifso, is this our first look at James Gunn's
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new DCU? It's hard to tell. Because the characterdesigns in the Tomorrowverse weren't like that
same kind of blocky Tim-verse style, you know,they were all pretty unique. I can't tell if
this is a new style of animation or if it'smore of the same. It looks like it's more of
the same to me personally. But who's to saythat that's not the style that we'll be seeing
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with Creature Commandos? It could be. I guesswe'll find out later this year. If this in
fact is that same style, I wonder if this impliesthat this is our first look at Wonder Woman
in James Gunn's DCU. And maybe our first lookat- Themyscira that's gonna be in the Paradise
Lost HBO series. And maybe our first look atthe Wonder Woman costume that she'll be wearing
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with like the pants, which I would hate. Lotof speculation, lot of unanswered questions,
which I don't love. Like at the end of a cinematicuniverse, as it were, I would love for everything
to be wrapped up in a nice bow. That's not thecase here. And I can't express how disappointed
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I am. by the whole Tomorrowverse project. Now,with this film specifically, though it's ambitious
and heartfelt, it's convoluted and it's a dullconclusion to the Tomorrowverse that proves
inaccessible to all but DC's most diehard animationfans. I really hope you guys are out there
and I really hope you were able to get someenjoyment out of this if you were, because
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no one else did. And I say that as a diehardanimation fan from DC. Now we gave Crisis Part
1 3.5 stars, we gave Crisis Part 2 3 stars.I think this film, Part 3, is one step below
that. So I'm giving it 2.5 stars, a rotten ratingon Rotten Tomatoes. I don't recommend it, and
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overall I can't really say I recommend the Tomorrowverseas a whole, unfortunately. I would recommend
if you're interested in getting into DC animation.to either re-watch or watch for the first time
the DC animated movie universe, which beganwith Justice League the Flashpoint Paradox
and ended with Apocalypse War. And just endthere. Like, don't continue on after that.
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It's not worth it. Except for maybe Batman andLong Halloween. That was good. Yeah. But if
anything, the brief glimpse that we got in thisfilm of Justice League Dark Apocalypse War,
you know, like seeing those characters and thatart style. and all that, just maybe remember
how much we connected with those charactersemotionally. So much more than we did with
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these hollow shells that were in the Tomorrowverse.And it also reminded me of just how great Apocalypse
War was. It definitely makes me want to rewatchit again. It makes me want to watch all of
the films in the DC animated movie universebecause actually there's a few that I haven't
seen. And it was just a really well put togethercinematic universe, one that rivaled, in my
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opinion, the MCU's Infinity Saga. Absolutely,but you're not going to get a chance to re-watch
the DC AMU films because you have a whole lotof other animated television shows to watch
this summer including My Adventures with Supermanseason 2, Suicide Squad Isekai season 1, Batman
Caped Crusader season 1, Kite Man season 1,and Watchmen chapter 1. So you have all of
(40:09):
your free time accounted for basically. If youguys don't hear from me, it's because I'm watching
TV. That is my life now. I have to start watchingHit Monkey too, but I'm really looking forward
to that. I'm looking forward to all of it. ThoughI will say, we will be dropping some of our
reviews a little late, I think, just so thatall of my life is not just television. I do
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have a job, I do have a family. So if thingsare coming late, just expect that. Yeah, just
know that they are coming. But I think thatdoes it for this review. AJ9K helped close
us out. Thanks for listening to Dynamic duel.Visit the show's website at dynamicduel.com
and follow us on Instagram at dynamicduelpodcast.You can support the show on Patreon at patreon.com
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slash dynamicduel and joining a tier that worksfor you, or by rating and reviewing Dynamic
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Console Combat. Our next episode is going tobe another review, but it's going to be an
(41:16):
awesome review because it's going to be of Deadpooland Wolverine. Another culmination of a trilogy
that is infinitely more awesome than Crisison Infinite Earths. I'm expecting a lot from
Deadpool and Wolverine and I hope it meets myexpectations. I have to try to manage them
because I am just off the walls with anticipation.This is the only MCU film that you're getting
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this year, right? Correct. There's still a couplemore Sony Marvel movies coming out this year,
including Venom and Craven the Hunter. But Deadpooland Wolverine is the only MCU film. Yeah. We're
not getting another Marvel Studios film untilValentine's Day with Captain America Brave
New World. I was going to say sucks to suck,but I only have Joker 2 coming out this year.
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But that's going to be phenomenal, like waybetter than Deadpool and Wolverine. Manage
your expectations. We all know Joker Part 2is going to suck. OK. It's a musical. All right.
I don't know that. You can't say that, I don'tknow that. But that does it for this episode
guys, we want to give a big thanks to our executiveproducers Ken Johnson, Jon Sturawski, Zachary
Hepburn, Dustin Belcombe, Miggie Bantanghian,Brandon Estergard, Nathaniel Wagner, Levi Yeaton,
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Austin Wiselowski, AJ Dunkerley, Scott Camacho,Gil Camacho, Adam Spies, Andrew Schunk, Dean
Molesky, Devin Davis, and Joseph Kersting forhelping make this podcast possible. And we'll
talk to you guys next week. Up up and away,true believers. My middle name is Miracle Machine.
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