"THE WRATH OF BARB!!" w/ Rob Benedict, Paget Brewster, Brendan Smith and Jerry Trainor!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Will You Accept This Rose? A production of
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I finally feel safe. I finally feel safe. I feel
so good. I feel a little crazy. I will accept
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(00:29):
so good right now, I'm so I'm so I've never
been a warnier. Oh my god. Hello, welcome to a
very special, superpowered episode of Will You Accept This Rose.
My name is Art and Marina, and I am coming
to you from the bunker underneath a mountain in Colorado. Um.

(00:51):
I am so excited to have, first of all, to
be breaking down the craziest two episodes of television and
what it might be the most incredible mom we have seen.
I mean, a formidable opponent. I just don't even know how.
We're gonna not talk about barbed for four hours, but
we're gonna break down these episodes with me is such

(01:14):
a dream team. And by the way, for the old
school listeners who are like, where is Aaron Foley this season?
Because she would be here. Aaron Foley got staffed as
she's our staff writer at one day at a time,
and so that's why she hasn't been with us, but
I'm like this summer, when she has a break, she
will be right back. And she's been texting me all morning.
But we are so proud of her. And so there

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you go, so our dream team. I'm going to start
to my left. There is a woman who is a
symmetrical face and she is a Secretary of State, and
she knows things, and she knows things about serial killers,
and she has um she might be my best friend.
And um, she also came and stole a bunch of
lemons this morning and I loved it and I want
to give her all of the lemons. Ladies and Gentlemen,

(01:56):
Paget Brewster, how you live? You do? Have? You look beautiful? Are? Um? Now?
You just did a podcast this week with another one
of our guests, who might be who is here? You
were with im A Dappa and I heard you had
crackling chemistry, crackling history chemistry on a podcast that I

(02:19):
think every person at this table who is who is
not a producer, has has done. Ladies and Gentlemen, the
host of the Brando Cast, and you can listen to
episodes of all of us. You can get it wherever
you get your podcast. Brendan Smith, Yes, please at this table. Yeah,

(02:39):
Jerry Trainer is here. Roberts this here, Okay. I just
want to say the two of the guys that are here. Yes,
we're number two and number three on the podcast. But
as of this morning, right before I came over here,
Patrick Brewster is storming up the charts in terms of downloads.
I was also on the podcast. You were, But I'm

(03:03):
just saying bad and everyone crushed it, by the way,
and I want to thank you, you and you and you,
oh my god, so much for doing the brain Well.
Speaking of crushing it, there is a man who I
met in Nashville, and I knew. I met him a
truck stop, and I knew I was going to club
him over the head and bring him to my crush.

(03:25):
And I knew I was going to force him to
watch the most important television program since the Wire, and
his life has forever been altered. It has been altered.
It is our Rookie of the Year. You may know
him from Ike Carley. You may know him from Drake
and Josh. You probably don't know. That's probably all you
would know from we were both on Ladies and Gentlemen.

(03:48):
Rookie of the Year Jerry Trainer, Glary Trainers, r Hey
Dreary Trainer. I'm Jerry. Yeah, I mean thank you for
having me, thank you for having me Brandon on the brand.
How has this? How has this changed your life? I
feel like there's been a real strong friendship that's happened
a lot. And my friends don't my other friends don't

(04:10):
recognize me anymore. Are you a change? Man? They're like,
we were watching as a group and I'm jumping and
standing and like yelling, and they're looking at me like,
who is this? You watched it as a group. Do
they normally watch it? Or they forced to watch it
by you? They? I said, this is what I'm doing tonight.
Do we know? You want to come over? I know them?

(04:31):
Do I know? Is there any of our our friends?
Do you know? Yeah? You probably play? Yeah, yes, I
think so. Well him my buddy Mike. You don't know,
Marcus you know? Oh my god? So they all watched
it there and then I mean, if if that was
the first, are we going to know? And I'm like, yes,
they're gonna catch you up. Yeah. Yeah, it's so crazy.

(04:53):
It's easy to jump on. Um Okay, here, can I
just say this is like the sir close complete now
because there's been this growing thing, but then there was
this growing thing, and now we've brought the two circles together.
He is our Bachelor of the Year seventeen, Bachelor Year

(05:14):
nineteen and twenty. I mean, when is he going to
find one of these years? Well you might know from Supernatural,
Um you might. I think of him as like our
incredible steady Eddie. I think of him as the best
Nick Vialle impersonator who I met yesterday and we'll talk
about that, ladies and gentlemen, the honky, super talented, one

(05:36):
of my favorite humans on Earth. Rob Better day, Um,
I met Nick Vaylle. Yeah, so talk to me about that.
I did this podcast yesterday. He was very nice and
but I did keep thinking of your impression. Does he
really talk like that? Um? Not when he's like not
on a date, you know what I mean? So like

(05:57):
there was no reason to be coit like, so he
was actually like fun and personable. Hi, Katie, was he hot?
He was hot? He was definitely hot. He was tall
and hot. Can you do the impersonation right now? Rob? Yeah,
it's like it's serious, like she wanted to she has
could go to the fancy suitee. Yes, yeah, yeah. I

(06:18):
was like, okay, I mean, I guess it's okay, but
it's weird. And then you know what I'm I'm working
on my on my on my pilot, Pete pilot, Pete
says right now all the time, I'm are you kidding me?
Right now? Really? I got a little for you. The
way he says day is death like today, like today,

(06:40):
it has been a good great yeah right now, right now,
today has been a good. Doubt right now, Oh my god,
it drives me up the wall when he says today,
I hate says right now, right now, you keep me
right now, you're right. I'm so freaking out right now.
Hey mom, I need you to stop right now. Kata

(07:00):
k Katie Levina, Anna Jose, How are you lady? Um?
I mean, wow, you busted out your imp for Nick?
Can I just say, little did I know? Little did
I know that that Monday Night? Little did I know
that Monday Night like the Barb The Barb Barb we

(07:21):
saw Monday Night, which I thought was at an eleven,
almost felt like watching last night's episode. I was like, oh,
she was just like the understudy for the real Barb.
Who was like I didn't think it could get crazier.
And then she she also got she also got like
canceled online like people just attacked her, and you think
she would have been a little bit like reflective and like, Okay,

(07:44):
maybe I can have my feelings, but perhaps I should
temper it out. And the commitment to the shaming and
the don't right, like like as if she was marrying
one of these ladies like the I mean, he just
I was like, we've been dealing with a mama's boy
all season. I don't know what she responded to. I

(08:04):
haven't seen anything. I haven't read anything online about what
she said. She got enough support, yeah, she said that.
I've seen I've seen a good amount of support for
her and read it. People are very torn between her
and Madison. Okay, well, I'm sure it's also I'm sure
it's been a very extreme both ways. I think it's
gonna be there's going to be a divide in this room. Okay,

(08:26):
I agree with you. I agree with you. I would
like everyone to know that I drove around Burbank all
morning long trying to find Barber because I assumed that
the parents were staying at the Universal they live here
right there in Westlake Village. But I assume that they
were put up in a nice hotel for last night.
Brendan would be correct. I guarantee you there just her.

(08:50):
I mean, by the way, our doors are open today.
So if you hear birds lying by when you were
saying the doors were open. So we have we have words,
we have foundins, we have planes. We're just guys. Good
for sound right now, recording outside in this beautiful day

(09:10):
there it is. It isn't hold for place. There we go.
I mean, okay, we're recording this in the Australian album
Oh My God, which is like the worst place, like okay,
So I think they went there because the Gold Coast
was on fire and they had a like ship and
they went to the middle of the desert. I mean,

(09:30):
before we get going, is there, Let's just do two
minutes of two minutes of barb up top, because I
feel like that's what we're Let's just do two minutes
and then we'll start at the beginning of Monday night.
The floor is open. Take it. I agree with you.
I'm sorry, go ahead now, you had your hand up,
you said you you spoke first. I was it's a
small thing. I just I agree with you. I felt
like last night she was going to be embarrassed for herself.

(09:52):
And she started with I'm getting d m s. I'm
blowing up things going real well, I stand by and
the eye rolling and everything. I really I could if
it works out with her, God forbid it works out
with him and Madison, that's her mother. It won't. But
I felt she's right, but Madison. I felt like Madison
really held her own in a graceful way to Barb

(10:13):
like Jesus. I thought she was. I thought she was sobered.
When when when Barb was like, you made us wait
for three hours and you did not want to meet us.
Then you come in and you're rude to us, You
say you don't love my son. You wouldn't say yes,
and she and Madison has that little smirk and then goes,
it is what it is, I said, of saying I
apologize he was going through some ship. She also interrupted

(10:37):
bars more than once. I'm gonna go with Madison on
this one. Oh AmAm Barb. You know that I love
hyper real moments in this franchise. Yes, I am always
looking for a moment when someone actually has a very
real and very organic reaction and are not produced in

(11:01):
the moment. Even though Barb had a camera on her
the whole night, Yes, the entire night, Yes, so that
was what they were pushing, she still delivered what I
thought was one of the most real moments of the
entire Bachelor franchise. Where do you stand? I'm on no
one side, um, I think side well, I think yes.

(11:24):
Madison came off as rude and probably should have explained
herself a little more, but I also felt like she
felt very judged by everyone but by her decisions and
what she decided to do in that moment of giving
Peter the pseudo ultimatum, which is whatever, it was, an ultimatum.
But also, Barb, it's like, you don't run this show.
Chill out like you even if they date, let him date,

(11:47):
and then they'll break up. This is not the end.
All be all, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna just take
the floor for one second and I'm gonna lay out,
and I know you all disagree, And here's why I'm
not team Barb at all. I felt like this wasn't
about her, This wasn't about Barb. It's it's like she'd
already met Madison before. There was stuff they needed to

(12:07):
work out. All Barb worried about was that that she
wasn't all over barbed, like that she wasn't paying, like
this is a narcissist that didn't get enough attention from this. Wait, Katie,
I'm telling you this is okay. And I felt like
at a certain point, your son who's twenty eight years
old and lives at home, like give him the dignity
of his own decision and like have some class When

(12:29):
she said everybody here knows it's going to fail, like
it was just I thought it was classless, and I
felt like, you know it just I didn't. It just
seemed like I thought Madison was elegant and not actually
interacting with a true psychopath. I have I have to
staunchly disagree what I saw. What I saw, Gentlemans, I

(13:02):
just I saw a parent. I was like, this is
finally somebody smacking this dumb dumb across the face. I
was like, after a season of scenes where nothing is said,
finally someone says and team Jack the real bachelor, Jack,

(13:22):
the one man who can say the word sex in
place of intimate, Like yes, Jack is like yo, dude,
are you really going to have a sexless sexless relationship?
And he's like yes, he's like no, think about it,
and he goes because they're choosing it, bro, and it's
like that's okay, wait, but I do think, like, think
about who we're dealing with. When Barbe is holding hands

(13:43):
waiting to see who he picked, and then her insane
reaction and somebody tweeted us as if she just won
the publisher's clearing house, like she's a psycho. I'm not
saying when I say I'm team Barbe, I can't. I
don't think she's healthy. I don't think she's all together
chemically sound um. She was acting like a mob boss

(14:08):
or matriarch and a telenovela. It was like she maybe
she worked for the World Wrestling Federation, like she didn't
know what her role was. But it has worked on
Peter so far. She's a he's a man. And so
when she called out Madison for being late and when
they met and she was like, you aren't into the
same things, and I don't want my son to change.

(14:30):
I still have a larger thought about what was going
on in Barbe's mind, But in I understand why she
felt the way she felt. I don't understand why she
behaved the way she behaved, but I think she was
truthful and I think she addressed what we didn't know
about production. But the way she was for the rest

(14:52):
of the night, and like, like it's whether she was
right or not. The fact that she wouldn't drop it
and was so rude night and was like everyone knows
it's going to fail. You have to fail to succeed
like that. But the dad, can I interject one last
start saying in Spanish, say something bad? Back? He said,

(15:14):
she just said, you know, she idn't think she said bad.
I can't believe you, guys. I know, I'm, I'm I
do with the art. I think that. Do I think
Madison is the best choice for him, not necessarily. Do
I think it's gonna work. Probably not. Um. I think
they have weighed lots of differences. It's none of her
fucking businesses on the show this is made. He was

(15:39):
gone like one week and she's like, oh no, but
you're right, Rob say that one more time. He was
gone one week. He's twenty eight fucking years old. He
walks in, She's like, oh, there he is it's like night.
This is their family. He lives at home. They literally
spend every weeking moment together. Remember before this even said
that's a problem. Literally would never post Providence. It was

(16:00):
always his family. That's why, that's what is the problem,
is a problem saying that Barb was completely in the right.
I thought, I agree with Patchet, she was fucking psycho.
But I thought Maddie was a fucking bitch as well.
I really did. I thought Maddie did not handle well.
I think everybody involved was just a bad person. None
of them are like sound, none of them know what

(16:20):
they want, and they all made terrible, terrible decisions. I
agree with you that it was a very real thing
that she said. I still think therapizing the whole situation,
like that's the time. I mean, it was like Maddie
was dealing with a crazy, out like drunk person and
she had to do sort of and I'm sorry you
feel that way. Yeah, she was not an elegant moment
for mom. She took it, but but I liked it

(16:42):
because it was it was I felt it was very real.
She is the the visiting Australia, Like when they went
to the house right after Australia and he's like, hey,
that was weird to me. Now we're off the rails
and we're scripting and we're producing, and we're bringing the
family into this, and you're gonna make it a thing. Yes,

(17:03):
the other weird thing that happened last night, and I
know we'll talk about this later. Dad made cryptic references
to some other things that you guys don't know. There
was a lot of like, well, there was three hours
here and there was four hours here, and I don't
care about what the friends think. Dad was classy about it, yes,
but he was still supporting mom. Yes, but the way

(17:25):
he did it was like at a certain point, this
is a grown ass adult. He's not eleven, so like
to be making it your show and like, like it
was just I just was like, oh, whoever ends up
like she thinks she's marrying her son. Yeah, but how
are they making How is she making it her show
when they're pointing the cameras at her face the entire episode. No,

(17:46):
that part, that part was not I'm not talking about that,
but with the way she interacted, at the fact that
she at the end didn't go, you know, I love
my son. I don't necessarily agree, but I wish them
luck the fact that she cursed them like a Sicilian,
Like you know, you know when you you hear stories
about people that like get get out of cults and
stuff like that, and like, I just wish somebody had

(18:07):
told me that I was making the wrong Like this
is the moment, like he's been living in fantasy land
and finally someone will tell him the truth and smack
him across the pace just the one time. And and
the dad was right too, like we should be a
pleasant time and this you guys are already off on
the wrong. I agreed with the dad. I did agree

(18:29):
with the dad, but I felt like living in a cult.
I was like, oh, this kid was raising a call.
He's such a mom's boy. It's all about her. The
woman has to like flirt with her. I think she
knows him. No, I mean I also realized that that
family living in westlike village for people who don't know
it is about forty five minutes to an hour, maybe
an hour and a half depending on traffic outside of

(18:49):
Los Angeles. That's a family that never came into l
A to party. No, they the farthest they go is
thousand Oaks. Yeah, so that that's the house, the three
car garage that she comes of, is it in? I
think that felt like an AIRBN. Yeah. I feel like
they were hiding her from Barb, but I was curious.
I think is it worth hurting? Like that felt like
it would really fracture Barb's relationship with Peter, Like was

(19:13):
that worth it for her? Like that was tough to me.
It's like, you guys live together, Like he really cares
about your feelings. He's saying stop and she would stop.
That feel like yes, I just felt like he needs
to crash and burn to learn because he it's like
everyone kept coddling him. Chris Harrison kepting like, it's okay, Peter,
I know you're making all the right Chris Harrison didn't

(19:35):
let him crash and burn. Yeah, but I so let
him loose. Go try and date Maddie. If it doesn't
work out, you learn it doesn't work out, it doesn't
feel worse. I feel like that works both ways though.
If he's a grown ass man, I feel like he's
the one putting Barb in this position by going on
The Bachelor. Put you, Bael, but you're putting your mom
in a position where she has to say something that's

(19:56):
trying to move out. Man, he shouldn't be this mom
should not be like it's out him to go on
the show. She's a huge batchlor fan. That's why she
knows what everything has to be like. She has to
be more loving. If she's not, she's out. She's too hesitants.
She knows how every point you're supposed to hit, and
you see it in her when she's like, I don't

(20:18):
feel like you're giving us what you're supposed to be
giving us to make Psycho about Hannah and who was
a perfectly nicing lady. But like the react, the size
of the reaction about Hannah and the angel on Earth,
like the whole thing is so so. She's such a handful.
Let's also will be a thanksgiving Peter will not. Let's

(20:41):
not forget Peter was a child actor. Do you get
the impression that his dad was taking him around? His
family also is like so involved with his sex life.
Remember how much she cheered when he talked in the

(21:01):
windmill for like so involved? Yeah, like like so sight
she was so even in the car, was like, I
like when you do that the mom and the dad
women tell all that the party. Oh yeah, that was like,
I mean that sounds sect sex closet. They love. I mean,

(21:23):
good for them, Honestly, that's great that. I think that's
better than you know, other people will come on the
show that literally can't say the word sex. But like, yeah,
but it was just kind of like, you know, I don't.
The whole thing was just insane. It was just insane.
I've never seen anything like it. Oh my god, it was.
It was amazing to me. What did you think, Banas,

(21:46):
What did you think the conversation they had on the couch,
like the breakup conversation and then they get together converence.
I was like, they're hashing this. They're having uncomfortable conversations
in front of a crowd that you wouldn't want to
have like privately. Yeah yeah, yeah. Did you notice that
the end credits Claire went up and hugged his mom. No,

(22:10):
what was Kelly doing there? Oh my god? I loved it.
Thank god you're here, Kelly. It's important that you're here.
And she was so tann So somebody actually commented on
her Instagram it was like, why was it important that
you were there? And she goes, I have annoyed it
because because they barred her from Women Tell All, they
got attacked and that Chris Harrison was like, oh, I
didn't think she was integral. How you say the integral integral?

(22:32):
I don't know to the story. And so so the
people were mad that they didn't invite her because I
think people were I think ABC might have been afraid
that she was going to be like, you gave me
a Frankenstein edit, you know, and um, and so they
didn't let her there. But I think they got so
attacked that they were like, but they were like, it's
important that you're there, which is so nuts. What's the
real story there? People have tweeted us that they thought

(22:55):
if you look at her edit on that final episode
where she was like on the it was down to
like the final roses, but that part, yes, but they're like,
I guess they like, if you look at how some
of her statements were edited together, it wasn't all one
thing that they kind of made her maybe look more
like a jerk and that she's smart and a lawyer

(23:15):
and might have called them out. And I think that's
what some people think that maybe ABC, maybe ABC didn't
want her. They're doing that. I thought you would like
that badget. That's fascinating to me. But can we start
from the beginning? Yes, you know what I need to
pee before we start. We'll be right back. I don't

(23:35):
know about you, but things again, smart, I think I
gotta take your break. This isn't for my birthday, isn't
you goon looking at her walking back? Oh color? Why

(24:05):
I don't want to touch your game, you poor thing.
Take him out of I'm not gonna blow on and
make a wish. Chack him out of. Let's just pretend
I'm blowing on it. You've given us so much and
we should all be wearing our art masks. Okay, we're
gonna start at the beginning of Monday night and we'll
go through as fast as we can. No, you can edit.

(24:28):
We're gonna really unpack this ship. Okay. I got all
day for a self quarantine and social distance and then
it's over. Um, So we have so we see a
coyote and we are in We was that a dingo?
Was that what it was? It didn't look like a jack.

(24:51):
So we have a everybody's in the studio audience, either
at Disney or CBS, Radford and jewel tone gowns studio
in Burbank. Are you serious? I think so, I swear
to god. I think it's like we're all of an
Alameda intersect by the Burbank studios. Yeah. They don't spread
out on the point of a lot for this. It's like, yeah, okay, great,

(25:12):
So we've got kangaroos, We've got jewel tone gowns of
the women waiting to watch the final thing. Where in
Alice Springs, the red center of Australia, the out back,
it could not be a less romantic spot to be
it is. It felt like the end of time, like apocalypse.
It wasn't perfect for the it was like the perfect
coronavirus finale, apocalypse ending of Like I just want to

(25:36):
watch people humping like sandals, you know what I'm saying.
Like this was stressful. This was no Lapland you know,
watching Stand up Rise, the amount of flies there concerned. Well,
we when we get to the final conversation between Maddie
and Peter, that was more about navigating the flies anything else.
They were venus fly trap eyes became venus fly traps.

(26:02):
Her eyes are incredible. It's like a centipede eating an eyeball.
So we have we start out and we he the
parents have flown to this tell is waste land, and
Barb goes, bob bud, bud bud, I'm so ready, um
um like and so she he goes immediately and just

(26:24):
tattles to his parents about Maddie. He doesn't say that
she's a virgin. He's just like, she didn't want me
to be in a man. I told her she was
in a minute but um and um. But she was
the first person I fell in love with. But it
was a shame that it came out at the very end,
which like he immediately told them, which put her hackles up,
and she was like, oh no, my boy needs to
bone in a windmill. Like, how do you know, I've

(26:45):
never seen a parent defend her adult son who loves
at home right to bone more than Barb. But what
else is the show about? I mean, that's what the
show is. It just culminates with bone week and then
meet the parents. She's already but she's already met them, like,

(27:07):
and it's like, no, it's in theory. Some people get
married and so they got cheated out of a third
bone sesh. Okay, so we're gonna keep going. Okay. So
then we have the brother is like, well, this is
something we'll look past. And then he goes and then
there's Hannah and she's pure, she's beautiful and she's innocent. Um,
she's my biggest fan. So then Hannah Anne shows up

(27:28):
and I felt like I felt like she just kept
forcing tears with Peter, like she's learned that. He like
that was like that exactly exactly. Yeah. So he was like,
you go clean up your room, your father, if you

(27:51):
love your mother, clean your room already clean, cleaned more. Oh,
you were so good on that. Still the learning center
commercial good from mind dancing bud okay, run for your mother.

(28:18):
So then we have hand and she's got forced tears
and he and she's like still like he strikes such
an emotion in me, Like yeah, that sounds like what
a human would say. She's just gonna win the pageant,
that's what it's about. She was like, I'm gonna win this.
I'm gonna go in there and make them like me.
And that's really what she did. Because I'm still proud
of him and the person he is. I'm gonna win this.

(28:40):
And and then the mom just she's like, I'm looking
at my we're looking at us. I see me, I
see me. It's like like, yeah, that mean, yeah, I
know this beautiful pageant. Quaid, I see man. I'm like,
I'm looking in the mirror. I'm looking in the mirror.
Oh my god. He's like, I'm looking in the mirror.
And then she's like crying and she's like, this could

(29:00):
be um, this could be her last week. Um to
be able to take this all in. And then and
then Barb goes, oh, let's not talk negative. Let's talk positive.
And she's like, I've given it my all. It was
love at first sight. Um. And then he says, my
heart is with two people right now. And then she says,
I feel like I've known you all my life. I

(29:22):
do love you. I do again, just how you sound
when you're absolutely head over heels and love. I do.
I'm in love with you. I do. I love you man. Yes,
pagett I don't want to color everything that comes from
this point in the podcast on, but I do believe
that Hannah am from this moment forward and probably a

(29:44):
couple of weeks before, who's only gunning for bachelorette. That's it.
I think she has no intention of marrying him. She
is not in love with him. That's why she has
no personality, which is exactly what Barb wants. When she
meets the family, she's completely complied end. She doesn't have
any other opinions outside of this is someone who's just

(30:05):
going to fit right into the family. So it makes
Madison look difficult because Hannah Ann's not being real. She's
just gonna go. I think she knew he was going
to pick Madison. Yeah, and she's just trying to get
all the way to the end to be a bachelorette.
And I think they knew it. Production knew it, and
that's why they announced Claire super early with Wow. That's

(30:26):
that's also why I feel bad for Barbed because it's like, oh,
you fell for it, yea. He don't believes she's an
angel on earth, Like that's tough to watch me, Like
she's just saying, like you got at one point, Like
she says all the right things all the time. That's
advanced Bachelor watching. Congratulations, congratulations, unbelievable theory, stupid for that theory.

(30:49):
That's that's the truth. I think that's why she knows.
I think I was right. I think I was right right.
She was definitely right. And as we continue discussing, you'll remember, Okay, great,
I like that. So that's been placed for all of
our listeners at home, Our listeners at home, Brian eleanor
kekaw kaw, all of our listeners remember that, Okay, so

(31:14):
then So then um So, then Maddie so So. She
just nails it the family like, it's like whole like,
she's a beautiful robotron who said everything right. She was
played to win. She was gonna win the paget um so.
Then Maddie shows up, and once again, every time Madison
was there, they played the heartbeat between them like a

(31:37):
lot in the last two nights, and they happened last
week too. That happened when she was going to leave
the dinner they played it. Um so. She was like,
and he was like, I'm so in love with madisone?
I mean also again, watching this, you're like, if he
doesn't end up with Madison, somebody's gonna watch this back
and see you know what I mean. He's like, I
am he has no poker face. He's like, I am

(31:59):
so in love with Madison. This is not good. Um
I walked away and and hurt, she walked away, and
then and then she goes, I haven't asked for anything.
I just I've been at I've been sharing my heart
and you haven't told me your feelings and what you want.
And then she was like, look, that night I felt
like a rug was taken, but I do I want

(32:20):
to spend the rest of my life with him. And
he's like, I know, I've heard you on a lot
of ways, and then he goes, you're the only person
I truly don't know how you feel. You still haven't
told me how you feel. And then she was like, well,
I've just been focused on us and um, I couldn't
validate in the exact words, but when we've been hanging
on by a thread, I needed to feel confident and

(32:40):
sure in peace, and I don't know that I feel
that right now. So then they're this crazy as compound,
like a mad Max compound, and they're like, oh, they're
not going inside, and there's like somebody's made some weird
as Airbnb with like Graffitia. I kept calm mention that
to them, it's my lady to do. They did a

(33:02):
fine job trying to dress up the desert and it
was like rusty and like our department was trying to
make it, trying to do their peer one fun. They
found a pier one somewhere close to that cloud that
was going out of business two days ago. I saw
a take it back, go out talk to me. So then, um, wait,

(33:25):
so I have a quick question. She just want to
clear this up, and no one ever brought this up.
Last night Madison gave him the ultimatum. Ham a virgin
told him for the first time, I don't want to
sleep with anybody else. She didn't say a virgin at
the first door. She didn't say IM a virgin until dinner, right,
but she the ultimatum, I don't want to sleep with
anyone else came after he'd already slipped somebody. It wasn't clear.

(33:49):
It wasn't it wasn't clear, it wasn't spelled out. I
thought it was pretty clear. She did not tell him
she was a virgin. She said, if you were intimate
with either Victoria or Hannah Ann, I don't know if
I can continue, and then I don't know, and then
I don't know. No no, no, no no, she told

(34:11):
him in the airplane hangar right after Kelsey left, right
right before the beginning of hump week. She was like, Oh,
we're going into hump week. I just need to give
you a heads up. I don't want you getting down.
But she didn't. It was a non ultimatum. She waffled
and hedged and intimated I don't agree that. I thought
it was pretty clear back she didn't say, if you

(34:34):
do this, I'm out. I found didn't. I think it's
clear for women what she was saying. I think it's
unclear for man. I didn't find it. I think the
way she said it, well, that's because I was thinking
about it, Like how I how how I talked to guys.
I no offriendse I treat you guys like your fucking idiots.
We are right, that's the way you're supposed to do
well out like like she would go, oh, well, I

(34:56):
don't know if I want you to to do that,
and he's like, like, i'd be really upset, so you
don't want me to well, I don't know. Yeah, I
agree with you. That is waffling. That's why I'm saying.
I'd be like, okay, well, all right, I'll keep that
in mind when I'm going to bangtown. She should have
been like I'm a virgin. It's really important to me.
I agree. And if you have sex with anyone else,

(35:18):
like I'm sorry, I can't stay yes, and now you okay,
thank you. I will take that into consideration. Bye, good bye.
I almost met Kelsey yesterday, so she flew in and

(35:43):
she was doing Nick Wiles podcast this morning and they
were watching the East Coast Feed at his and I
had to go to birthday party last night. And he
was like you because he mentioned Kelsey was like, Kelsey,
I love. So he was like, do you want to
come watch it with us? Because they were watching the five.
So then I had an audition. I would have gone.
I came, I got day of like I thought I
was gonna be able to go, and then it was

(36:03):
like same day appointment. I was like, damn it, Like
I wanted to meet Kelsey. You will? You will? Yeah? Yeah,
I think you will. I'm gonna meet Kelsey. That's my wish.
That was my birthday wish for you. Um that I
meet Kelsey. That was my wish. Okay, so um So
then they so then they're whispering, they're holding and he's like,
I don't want you gonna go. I want us to
get through this, and she was like how And then

(36:25):
she he's like, you just have to meet me halfway.
And then she goes, I don't want to leave your arms.
It's just live. It isn't the only issue here, you know.
And then he's like, um, are we in the sand?
Are we on the ground in the sand right now? Where? No,
we're still waiting to go meet. This is where Barbara's
waiting for three hours before them. You could be describing

(36:47):
every conversation they have. Yeah, okay, so that's where we are.
So she's like, she's like, um, she's like, think about
He goes, think about the basketball game. We lost your
tooth and your dad made you keep playing. He's like,
so he knows her, he knows. Yeah, yeah. And so
then she was like she's like, I am really strung willed.

(37:09):
I'm a fight I fight for what I believe it.
I really protect him of my one person. I'm loyal.
And then um, and and then they're hanging out and
she goes, when I was up on that seventies seventh story,
which sounded terrifying, and we were hanging back from that building,
I thought I could do this forever. I felt safe
with you I love you. I was going to tell
you that night, and then she goes, it doesn't matter

(37:31):
what you say now, and then she wanted to kiss
because he was so excited that he finally got the
L word, and she was so mad at him as
she wouldn't kiss him. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. He was really
annoying in that moment when he's like, I don't I
didn't even listen to anything else he's saying, and it's like,
look at my face. The rest of the day, right now, now,
oh my god, right now, I'm really happy, right now,

(37:52):
for the rest of the death, for the rest of
the day, Katie. Can I ask you, guys, when you
see them interacting, whether it was there like before they
meet the parents or even after the final Roads, do
you get the feeling that they love each other? Like
mad I don't get the feeling that it is Sigma
Ki social chair and Kappa president. They're supposed to be together,

(38:13):
their their uniforms. Mate. That's the way that I always
felt this season, which had a lot of we didn't
get to know that many gals, they felt like they
had the most actual, real interaction and the most relaxed interactions,
and so like based in comparison with people that we
didn't get to know anybody like they It actually felt
like that too. She actually felt like a real human

(38:33):
until we got to like the airplane hangar, and then
it became all about that. But before that, yes, I
do too. I feel like they really liked each other.
But ever since then, I'm like, I feel like he
she's mad. He like, yeah, she's mad, and you feel
like he has to be there and has to prove
something on My feeling is it's surface. That's why I
say fraternity sorority. They look like a match. They look

(38:55):
like a match. Then when you get into real issues
of character, yes, and real issues of life and what
you truly believe in, then you realize that your three
week relationship with the hot girl Ata is not gonna work.
I agree with you, because I thought they were right
for each other until right, yes, last night, especially after

(39:17):
the final rose. I mean they didn't look like I mean,
I know there was a lot of stress, a lot
of drama, but they weren't like like she would barely
look at him, wasn't even She also lost seventy pounds somehow,
and when he would like go to like try to
snuggle her a kisser. The whole time she pulled away,
she was like pulling away. I think she's mad at him,
and I don't know that she's never going to forgive him. No,

(39:38):
I don't like if if they end up together, she
will hold this over his head for his entire They're
not gonna end up together. You have you have to
you have to fail before you can succeed. Barbs called it.
It was cruel. It sounded harsh. She looked like she
was applauding for Hannah and not her son. She was.

(39:59):
But what she's saying is true. I mean, yeah, but
what a fucking nutball, What a handful of course for
saying Paradise bachelor, bachelor. She would know she just renewed
her bounce. Okay, so then we have so then she goes,

(40:22):
um so then um they have this long. So then
they walk in and the parents are piste, and she's
Maddie's wearing like Hannah Anne were a cute little dress.
And then she's just there in like like a black
mark sleeveless Mark turtleneck, like kind of looking like it's
still angry that he boned everybody in morning. She's in
morning just like just like barbed was last night, are okay? Okay?

(40:45):
So then we have so then she's like, well, guys, uh,
you were like, but but they've met Maddie, they loved Maddie,
their value renewal. But she's like, well, we've got a
road roadblock. And the dad goes, well, what exactly was
the roadblock? As if you don't know, like they already knew,
and then like, well, she asked if I slept with
someone else, and um, and I did, and she has
a problem with that. She was like, I love him

(41:07):
and I do see a future with him. She did
say that, and then she goes, but faith is my
whole world and my whole life, and I always want
to grow and I genuinely want what's best for Peter.
And the brother goes, obviously you're very physical and relationships, yes,
but he goes, he goes in the mirror. But the

(41:30):
way they were talking to him, it was like, your
life still is not compatible. That it was like, and
it did sound like it was like Hooker's in cocaine,
but it was line dancing. I also wondered. I also
wondered if the thing that they can't show on TV
is Madison saying to Peter, I really love it if
you would accept the Lord as your personal savior. I

(41:52):
mean sincerely. I mean that sincerely, Like it's very important
for me to be with some on who has the
same evangelical faith beliefs as me. You cannot say that
on TV. Side note, the irony is is that bar
prayed to God and like Jesus. But she but she

(42:12):
was a God. She may be the step down. She
may be the step down from it next level because
she called Peter spiritual spiritual, right, So that's like you know,
they go to they go to the Presbyterian Church twice
a year. It's really interesting. I think you're right. It's
something they could wonder that they can't. It's nuclear, I
like how to have it on TV. But it's also

(42:33):
she because if you look at it, she's like a
foster parent recruiter or adoption foster parent recruiter, but's right
up to missions. Jack even says she goes on mission
foster parent recruiter. Butt's right up to pro life, don't
get an abortion, and we can find a family for
your baby. That's what you're saying. That is, well, you

(42:57):
have to look on your face, what's happeninging it all in? Yeah,
his family seems religious. But also I feel like sometimes
and we've had this discussion before when you were writing
your book, is like when people throw God around, you
automatically assumed their religious dude, and I would write the
phrase I said, oh my God, and then she was
like like God will or something like where I'd be like,

(43:18):
are you religious? I said no, I think I wrote
I wrote thank God this happened. And I was like,
she's like sounding religious, like my dad was an atheist,
like I've never been. When people start saying throwing God
around and I prayed to God, Oh God, God sent
us you, it's like you are you religious? Because that's

(43:39):
how you're coming off. So like I the whole like
we're actually very spiritual. Was like, but aren't you You
prayed to God to bring you Hannah And that's a
big difference between California religions and Alabama religions. Yeah, I
agree with you. Like like she had that ring real quick.
She had this ring and I had Hebrew written on it,
and I was very confused by that because she's super

(43:59):
religiou and I even like texted in about it and
then last night my friend Brittany came over and she's
from Texas. She went to like Christian schools, and I said,
I was like, do you know what this mood? She
goes out to James Avery Ring. She immediately know what
is that. It's this company that makes super religious rings
for like young girls. It's like all like promise rings,
like to save it till marriage. And she immediately like
And then I showed her the picture. She goes, yeah,

(44:19):
that's a James Avery ring. A lot of times it's
in Hebrew, which is I guess because it's like the
old there is their belief about the end times and
the lost tribe of Israel. And it's yeah, that's so
far to you guys. Okay, so I just standing. I

(44:39):
went deep on her Instagram and she has all these
photos of herself like on like missionaries where if you
read the caption, she's like she's with a bunch of
like kids in Africa. I don't know wherever she is,
but she's kind of calling the kids dirty. It's really
you just have to read it like filth. You live
it like it's all put these long, very long, uh

(45:01):
captions that are low key Brendan insulting, don't let the
cat out, don't let the cat interestingly very religious, but
if you read between the lines, you're like, shame, are
you calling them filth? Yeah, they're like at the squire
straight did you catch the silence after when they were
in the helicopter and they're like this this used to
be filled with ocean millions And she's like, oh my god,

(45:27):
I didn't know him to read more. We'll take it.
A cat is on us, Okay. So that is like,
you can't do what you want to do. You can't
go can we time with his love of line dancing?
For a minute, I thought it was just them going, okay, okay,

(45:52):
we have a valley boy. It's like, we need to
make him seem relatable to the rest of We're gonna
need to make where he lives seemed more like the
rest of the country. All right, here's a line dancing bar.
Will make it seem like we could be in the
middle of the country to make it more relatable to viewers.
And it's like, oh no, my man loves line dancing.
You come home from being gone and you go line

(46:12):
dancing like that's what you do. And it is if
that's so crazy that she couldn't handle him going right
to the line, like, like, is it that shocking to
be line dancing? I just love that. His brother was like,
you you love lining? Like it seen like something else

(46:33):
that we don't know. We had we had somebody emailed
in who who grew up near there, and she said,
for whatever reason, there were a few bars near there
that like it's really popular and like that's the thing
that people do, Like they go out and they drink
and they line it. People love line dancing. Um, so
then should we go? We should? I? I would totally would.

(46:55):
I would go to should we go? Cheam out and
let's go to the canyon that's where he went. I
could wear pages red cowgirl boots that she gave it.
I've been. I don't remember where we went. I think
it's on paused And by the way, October so I
moved October so so I was communicating with somebody from

(47:16):
UM stage Coach because one of our fans like hooked
me up and then the person was very nice. But
then they didn't understand that it was like a full show.
They thought I was gonna be like in the press
tent and just like talking to people in the press
tent and I was like, no, no, that's so They're like, wait,
you'd be part of the lineup. I'm like crying, yeah,
like it'd be a live show. And then I never

(47:36):
heard again and then coronavirus shut it anyway, so um
so then so then he's like um and then he's
like so then he was like he was like, He's like,
you have to just compromise him. He was like, bro,
that is what a relationship is, like, you have to
compromise a little bit. And then he's and they're like, well,

(47:57):
Matt's just just raising concerns and red flags. So then
Barb goes, oh, I have to get back into it
when we're okay. You have a lot of questions for you.
You were very religious, Peter is very spiritual. I actually
felt like this whole thing was like this is all
this was barbed at or best. This was barb like
like being like a ground and normal. He's about to
say something that drove me up the wall. You're very religious,

(48:21):
very serious, spiritual. I feel that you were not on
the same level of um of faith. Perhaps with Peter's lifestyle.
He parties, parties, yea you know, there's always those parents
that like there's oftentimes moms of boys that I grew
up with loved like there's like they kind of like
if they had two hot suns, they loved kind of

(48:43):
the idea that they were like hot and fucking around
and party and they would feel like the teenagers fridges
with beer. There would be like a little like mini
fridge in the garage of beer and they was like,
but there was a few families that like really defended
their like cute boys and partying. And I was like, oh,

(49:05):
you're that You're she she's cool, mom um, And I'm
sure she loves all like the brother the boy's friends
coming up like oh okay, Kenny, so names like high barb,
you know, they're like grab a beer, Like, oh, I
just loving the boys come over. Um. So then she's
like this is quite a bit different lifestyles. I don't
want anyone to change him. It's like, but it's like

(49:26):
there's just angry that she It's tour like on the
one hand, it's like you met her, you liked her,
you know, like she's it's not like she's she's like
some awful person, this devil. It's like this is a nice,
sweet gal. They're like, he still gets to funk everybody.
It just feel like a weird defense or enraged that
she had a problem with it. But I think part
of part of Barbe's problem was she's comparison shopping between

(49:51):
Hannah Ann, who was perfect as you said and had
no problems you put it in our brain earlier, different prize,
and and Madison saying, oh, I know we're different. We
have differences, and the mother is not wrong to say
I don't want Essentially, she's saying, I don't want you

(50:11):
to think you can change my son. Yeah, he is
who he is. It's one of the reasons why people
get divorces. They think when they get married, the things
they don't like are going to change. There's no fixed
it as is that everybody is as is. You can't
go I like everything about them, but it's like, that's it.
So if you don't like it is, whatever the big

(50:32):
thing is, it's not going to go away. That's the truth.
If that's well, she said, I'm wondering if you She
says something about it's just we've been I've been just
thinking a lot about compatibility, and I jumped out of
my chair. I was like, just now, like here is
the final two and you're just now, like don't they

(50:55):
know who they're coming after when they go on the show.
So Nick with say Nick, my friend Nick yesterday he
was saying, he was saying that he um isn't vile
or vil. I think vill Nick file viall, but he
has the vile files by all, I don't know. He

(51:18):
said that when you apply and by the way, I
did go online to try to apply you, and we
we all realize that it would be better if we
filmed you, and it wasn't from us because they thought
we all we've discussed this, and we think that if
we've discussed, we all want to because you're going and
I'm gonna be your bar I'm gonna be like, oh

(51:41):
my god. If you made it to like hometowns would
be can we be the family that can you bring
them to the garage and we meet them? Okay? Can
we fill me later? Can we fil me? Would be
my family? You could be like these are all my
sisters and my brother and I got the book like
all adopted? Yeah yeah, yeah no no, can we be

(52:02):
your family? Yes? Okay great? Can you film me later?
I like it for applying for the show. Yeah, I'm
not doing it. Arden has decided Jerry Trainer will be
on the season of the because Katie thought that if
we applied for you, they would not want a podcast
infiltrating it. But they thought that if if we film

(52:25):
you here later today and then email it in from you,
then what I'm talking a lot about. We've We've actually
had a lot of times I like printed out the floor.
Oh my god, yeah, no, yeah, no, oh my god.
I wonderstand, I wonder if he's okay. I think he's

(52:46):
dying in there. Somebody okay. So then Brendan, listen, we're up. Brendan, Harry, Brendan.
I want you to know that we have been discussing
that we I printed out online and I was going
to apply for Jerry. I was going to submit Jerry

(53:09):
to be on the Bachelor and then Bachelorettee and that
and that. But then Katie thought was that if we
sent it in that from a podcast, that they wouldn't
do it because they would think we would be snarky
and infiltrating. But that if we film him today. So
there's a certain list of questions we have to ask
him he needs to Yeah, he needs to apply. Right, Okay,

(53:32):
I have I have one person that is on their
whoo who Matt James Tyler sees hot friend? He's on it.
His Instagram is already private. Who's that? He's Tyler Cameron's
really hot friends like from you know, like it was
not from the show, but like Tyler post photos with him. Okay,
let's film it today an email it in breaking out? Great,

(53:57):
I mean it was a finale last but we're all
gonna be quarantined anyway. You may as well be the
bachelor man ship. I'll just take a selfie in a
bubble bath. Great, We're gonna film me later. And that's
not a joke. Okay. So so so we've just gone
through the brother going she's gonna cramp your style. You
love line dancing? Okay. So then, um, Maddie has just

(54:21):
talked to the mom who was it was the best
version of bar where she was like, you're very religious,
he's only spiritual. I don't know if it's the right fit.
So then, um, I don't think it's fair, yes, which
I agree with you. I thought that was fair. Um,
and I felt like she she actually like reasoned it
out in a very sort of normal way. So then
um um. So then it was a long day, it

(54:43):
was tiring, and she and then they're like, well, budd
and he's like, well, I love medicine. I thought it
was the most insane display of love and courage and
strainth and the family didn't get it. And he goes,
I'm crazy in love with her, and they're like O okay.

(55:03):
So the barb starts weeping. She's so upset as if
it was when he bumped heads, when he was kissing,
when he Victoria. It wasn't Victoria. I was like, she's
gone there for you. But but do you know what,

(55:25):
I said a prayer last night, and you would you
would jam waiting for you. I think God has answered
my prayers and for the right person in your path.
You know what, But Madison is a sweet girl. She's
a nice girl, but it is an angel. Pray God

(55:45):
and enlighten me. Where are you at? Where are you at?
But and he goes, well I'm crazy about that girl.
She was like, goes, I broke and flicked you stand.

(56:13):
You picked the wrong person. You have the perfect girl
in front of you. You're gonna risk that, but he's like,
you don't know the Maddie. I know you have to
trust me. Loves you. We all of her are known
that God wait for it, bring her whole, bring her

(56:35):
home once, but we will woke her with open arms.
She has a dream come true. God has placed her there.
That's what love is made up up. I love Han.
He goes, you have got to stop doing this. That

(56:59):
this isn't say right now, and then um because and
then he's like, I'm the one that could spend the right.
And now he's like, I'm in love with Madison. I
want Maddie. And she was like, and that's it. My
dad has done here. Guys, ladies and gentlemen, thank you, flappers,

(57:24):
warm welcome. That's my act. It's not conventional stand up.
It's a tight five dude. If I had it in me,
I would memorize that speech and do that on your
next audition. HBO Comedy Festival and asked in Colorado, please

(57:44):
welcome Forgot. She's an angel on her earth. Wow, thank
you so much. I wrote that all because editing Mislead
of the Season. Yes right, we've been seeing it for months.
We thought it was Hannah be We thought it was madness.
Did anyone here ever think that she was talking about hands? Nick?

(58:06):
Nick guessed it. Nick guess he tweeted it out last
week he guessed into Hannah and oh my god, yeah,
oh yeah yeah. Does he enjoy Bachelor World? I don't know.
I think I think ladies like Nick. I don't know
if he's just I don't know if it's just the
Bachelor World. I think he does just fine with the gals.

(58:28):
Um so, um so he's like, mom, okay, slaw your
roll and she's like so then, um so that he
has his date here we go get wait for it.
There in LaRue. There's a turkey vulture. It's going to
be brutal, is what Chris Harrison tells us. There's a
frustrated family and he's like, well, I just wanted to

(58:48):
be me and her in the end. And there's a
helicopter tour of LaRue, the iceberg that was under a
lot of his underground and she's he goes it's super
spiritual for the indigenous people out here. It's also the
cover of a Midnight Oil album back when it was
called Airs Rock. Yeah. Wow, you you should do that

(59:10):
album on your podcast as a as a tribute to
this podcast, Um the Aboriginal Right, it was renamed lauro yea.
Now it's like it's very sacred, sacred ground for you're
not allowed to get close to it. You can't climb
it anymore. You know that alcohol near it. She doesn't
drink anyway because they had that, but you're not allowed

(59:31):
to drink near it. Yeah, if you throw her into it,
it will erupt, because that's what they should have done.
End show side notes Spin your True Virgins. If you
guys are like, look, the world is crazy. I need
a fucking distraction right now, we are about to do
on Patreon. Love is Blind. I started watching it. It's

(59:54):
the most insane, wonderful, binge able, fascinating weird show ever.
Brendan will be joining me. If anybody else wants to
join in, please feel free. You should watch it. And
and but there's so that there's a male virgin up top.
So far, so there's a guy, there's a guy's that
there's a male virgin. And so if you go to Patreon,

(01:00:16):
that's what we're doing next. And I'm so that's what
we're doing. That pause between that before um, listen to
your heart so I'm so excited for that. And then
we are going to get back on the Bachelor and
we and I know there was some problems with the
Bachelor archives, but we have a link there that's now
on Patreon, so you guys can watch everything. Okay, we're back. Um, So,
so they're there. They're super spiritual. She goes, I do
love Peter. We are very different people. Um, I just

(01:00:40):
have a lot going on in my mind, and it's
time to surrender. So he is sparkling apple juice for
m lady. He actually said milady. Um. And then and
she goes, it's just so insane, it's so emotional, it's
so beautiful. And he goes, I came here to find love,
and I did. But ken love conquer all and comes

(01:01:03):
here we go. Oh my god, dude, there were so
many flies are in this wasteland. And I wondered if
there with just like buckets of flies it was a wasteland.
So then and then and then I'm sorry, real quick,
there was a banner that came over the bottom for
that that that stupid music love show they have coming up,

(01:01:26):
roses falling, and I thought those were more flies. There
were so many flies and like her lashes like all
of it was happening. It was all very bug like, Um,
it was crazy. So here we go. So they're outside
talking and she basically is like, UM, I don't I
don't think this is I think it's too much. I
think it's too hard. You got to know one to surrender,

(01:01:48):
and I don't know if we can give each other
what we need. And then he and then she goes.
Sometimes I think being a great warriors know we went
to surrender and he goes, I do still think love winds.
She goes, I'm willing to walk away so you can
get what you want and what you came here to find.
Is it surrender? Like? Can I surrender to this? And
can I go with this for a while? Isn't that

(01:02:08):
what surrender? I know? I was bummed. I felt like
this was again she's not direct about anything that I
literally accepted my friends ester. I was like, did they
just break up? Because I didn't even know what because
again not being clear, like not saying what she means,
just like being very very wishy washy about the whole.
I mean, I have to say, if I was him,
I did feel like the brother really laid it out

(01:02:31):
for her like a really good lawyer, like, here's why
you're not compatible. And he wasn't wrong. But if I
was Peter watching it back, I felt like the brother,
she was already a little insecure and then the brother
really laying it out. I think she was like, oh God,
and I would have been pissed if I was Peter
and my brother. For I felt like he kind of
talked her out of it. But the family is on

(01:02:51):
the show, Like what would you have your family do?
I mean, if you're going to have them on the show,
I mean I would never don't know ever either don't
have them, but but criticizing them for being honest. But
did you see what Barb just did? No? Do it again? Okay, great, Okay,

(01:03:12):
We're worry And that's my warm up. That's my warm up.
It was at this point in the show and I'm
watching the show and I was kind of invested in
it was before I kind of got later in the show.
I kind of had a different thought about it. At
this moment. I thought, and I'm sorry for this offense.
I need the listeners. But like I thought, the Jesus
thing bothered me a little bit because like it felt

(01:03:33):
like she was going against what she really wanted to do.
She seemed to love this guy, but she's conflicted because
of what she's been taught her, what she believes or whatever.
And I'm like, fun that Jesus would want you to
be with the person you love and want to be with.
And he and you knew that he was already not
a virgin. So I mean, I did understand her point of, like, Okay,

(01:03:54):
if you're getting engaged in eight days, I don't want
to have like bone two ladies six days prior. I
get that, But I agree with you if you if
you really do. But she was too mad, she couldn't
get over. I know. It's just that's my issue with
organized religion sometimes, you know it just I got it.
I got and I say something about the way this
conversation went down. Yes, the thing that drives me crazy
about Peter, he loves to go forehead to forehead right

(01:04:18):
with the scar is very prominent in all of these
He really got it covered well once they got back
from the outback, like they covered up they they got
a proper makeup artist, like a union makeup artist in it.
Last night. I'm trying to cover Yeah, exactly something. It
was like the guy with like that like the kangaroo accent,
but that's dappling on it, but the way that he

(01:04:39):
leans in and in hushed tones and everyone's looking down,
and Madison was looking down the whole time they were
sitting there on the ground. But it's also like you're
also looking at a guy that was raised by a
mom who it's like a narcissist that everybody has to
do if she cries all the time, have you been
gone for a week and she's weeping like that, like
look at your back, like to me, mom, Like this

(01:05:03):
is a guy who's so messed up, who has loved
so much drama and like like it explains the entire
season his mom. And that's why he withholds information from
the other people because he doesn't want them to do
he doesn't want and get the mom he got a thirteen.
That's why he liked Hannah be like think about that's why,
like Victoria, he likes a handful. Do you want to

(01:05:24):
hear a really good little excerpt, but this is from
the Washington Post, yet it said Peter said. Peter is
an adult who lives with his mother, a woman who
knows an awful lot about a sex life. She thinks
she knows what's best for her child, who seems eager
to please her, and the fact that she is quick
to make a big scene explains why Peter was quick
to forgive Victoria f when she would cause drama. Right,
it shows us why he is most drawn to the

(01:05:45):
women who would keep him at arm's length, rather than
the one who professed their love for him, like Hannah.
And when tears in conflict are how love is modeled
for you by your primary caregiver, you develop an anxious
attachment style. Peter doesn't need a wife, he needs a therapist.
That's exactly right. I agree that that's so true. But
by the way Hannah and I do like she seems
like a very nice person, I don't buy it. So

(01:06:07):
it's like you can have somebody say I love you,
but if you don't feel like, there's no feeling coming
from that, So like, who would fall for that? I
think I think you're right that she was auditioning for Bachelor,
but I think especially she knew after he cut Victoria
after the fantasy suitets when he chose Madison and they
had that hug in front of Hannah Ann Hannah and

(01:06:29):
just looked like, oh, it's not me. We'll also remember,
if we go back in time, if we remember how
freaked out he was that she'd never been in love
and he had to go walk and hide in the
other room, and then she had to come cry. So like,
I think it's also like I am in love with you,
Like like he loved it what she cried. He's like,
That's what I'm looking for. So I think it's like
a person who's he was so bothered by the fact

(01:06:50):
that she'd never been in love that like she I
think she had to keep saying, I do love you,
I love you, I love you. You know. It's like
like that was like a kid. Do you think he
had sex with both of the other women? Yes, yes, yeah,
with Victoria pa and him. I feel like Hannah and
did it because she knew what she had to do
to get it done to like, yeah, totally. Um, because
she's a good competitor, Yeah exactly, that's what I need

(01:07:13):
to do. And Victoria just what she's just kind of crazy.
It doesn't give I'm sure it was the best sect
it was. I'm sure it was quite a night. I'm
sure it was like Clay like it does extravagance. Yeah,
that's how Victoria p wins. Yeah, sextual enslavement Victoria. But

(01:07:34):
he was like, oh my god, that was amazing, but
but now I gotta let you go because I got
it all because I think I think she was so
crazy that he knew but she wanted to have sex.
He's like, I think he was like, I've worked really
heard her. Because he also didn't even go see her parents.
As somebody pointed out on Twitter, it's like, oh, you
waited three hours to meet it. Well, your son didn't
even go in to meet Victoria's parents. So there you go.

(01:07:54):
It goes that's the person you raised and go inside
and kept her and kept her. Um, so then we
have um so they got the flies and then she's
like she was like, I don't want to feel like
I have to like change you to make it work
like and then um, she was a lot of change
for me. That night was different. We have a different
faith at different lifestyle and it's just not realistic. It's

(01:08:19):
we have compatibility. I don't know that we are the
best for each other. And then they hug and there's
a heartbeat and then Peter is just like completely spaced out,
and and he's like, oh my god. He's like, I'm
doubting how much my heart can take. And then he goes,
never surrender. Is this over? Can you give over to
this heartbreat And he's all in the air right now,

(01:08:40):
so he's just freaking out thoughts she's playing this whole
game so poorly. Yeah, he was like such a bad,
such a bad. I was screaming at the television, like,
get his top top five missteps, Brendan, What it starts

(01:09:01):
with the hand to be thing? Ye starts with the
biggest one because then because then the other woman couldn't
attach to him right And Champagne Gate, I can't even
He kept giving the attention to the crazy like the barbs.
He gave the attention to the Laya. He gave the
attention to the Champagne Gate like we didn't get to
right right. He talked about that on this post and

(01:09:24):
but he only wed he got distracted by a crisis
and he was all into all these other ladies that
we didn't really get to know. That might have been cool,
like nobody got a chance because he loves a crisis.
Because barbras but here, when someone tells you who they are,
believe them. When they show you who they are, you
better fucking believe them because it's on your sideway. Yeah.
And Maddie has been telling him for now two days. Yeah,

(01:09:48):
and he's chumping out and still thinking he can somehow
win because he's a total MoMA's boy who's who's been
raised by a crazy person. And I think I think
he does like almost want to do it out of
like spite something now where he's or like proving to
himself like and to everyone else. You know, I told
you I have a grown up. I'm making up my
own mind. It's gonna be her mom stopped. His mom

(01:10:11):
must have done something similar in the past, like she's
had to do. I think she interfears everything, literally everything,
but she's like the cool mom and my my boys
get to party and don't you try and ring my
boy in. You know what I want to do for
a living mom, I want to get on a plane
and get away from you. Yes, just like what his dad.

(01:10:31):
His dad's a pilot. Oh my god, It's like like
he just is like he completely drank the kool aid
of he's the biggest mama's boy. He just like does
like I do what dad does. I live at home.
I have a white Mercedes Sedan like all of it.
And he ends up being the ultimate mom's boy. Yeah,

(01:10:53):
because now it's Madison's gone and yeah, yeah, she's the one.
Hannah is the one. Oh my god, Okay, so I
mean she's gone. So she's gone. And this was so
psycho how I'm like, his eyes were dead, his his
scar was crazy, his eyes were dead. He's broken hearted,
weird puffs under his eyes. Yes, well the bugs had

(01:11:14):
been laying eggs three hours. So he's in the tank
top and he's jogging and he goes, I do see
a future with Hannah Ann and we're like right, and
then um, but he thinks he has to do that
because it was a conversation with the producer and then
you sit down and go, okay, we're gonna do this

(01:11:36):
thing where you're jogging and then we're gonna come talk
to you. And he thinks he has to play these beats.
So then all I love that he runs like and
then he sits on a rock. It's a great work.
It's so hard to jog. So then so then so
she comes up and they kiss her and she was like,
oh it's She's like, I'm doing wonderful. And then he

(01:11:56):
goes good day, which was hard, and then he goes UM.
So then this guy comes up who looks like he's
going to murder them. It's like crocodile dundee, like, who's
like because Peter's tall, but like this guy was like
a like a serial killer, pulls out of like a
jeep and he was like, you gotta see an animal.
A few people see um. And then it turned out

(01:12:18):
he was the best ever. God, oh my god, this
is my favorite part of both nights. Aside I did
I mean I also when I say when I'm at
at Barb, I also fucking loved all It was the
most wonderful TV. It was great TV. So the kangaroos
sanctory for orphan kangaroos. I've never wanted to hug an animal,
neither I would hugged him all that. Oh god, I

(01:12:42):
was obsessed. I when instantly followed them on Instagram. It
reminded me of my dog Bunny a lot like moved
I was great. I was like, I loved it. I
mean that's just really How did you feel about the
baby kangaroos. I wanted him to pick the kangaroo. The

(01:13:02):
kangaroos were so great. You should have picked that cow
from the beginning. Would cow? There's a cow out the cow?
Who was her name? Someone walked out? A cow like
introductions coming out of the limit. Yes, a joke like
oats another ash vegetarian. Oh my god. Those are literally

(01:13:23):
the last twenty kangaroos in Australia. Great, I know, because
they all died in the They all died in the fire.
Maybe not there, Okay, I know, I hope not. Those
are okay? You guys? Are they so? Then? So then
he goes, I do follow them on Instagram. Those kangaros

(01:13:44):
are funny. He goes, well, I had my heart broken yesterday,
but I'm now giving it all to the person I love,
which is crazy. This is the last chance to see
if I can move through anything everything. She's someone I
want to pick first every day for the rest of
my life. Do you think there was a little relief
in him when he got dumped, like, oh, I don't

(01:14:05):
have to be the bad guy. I think every everything
he's done throughout, oh, he doesn't have to dump hand.
And I'm trying to look good. I'm trying to be
everything to everybody, and I'm just trying to look like
a good guy, which is why he never does anything
real or authentic. So he didn't so he didn't have to.
He didn't have to dump Hannah any right, he doesn't

(01:14:25):
have to write, he doesn't have to choose at the
final rows, he doesn't have to make a pick. Yeah,
if Madison dumps him, he's free to do the right thing.
I bet the producers were saying, dude, you know what
we really need. We just needs someone to We just
need it. We need an engagement in a couple of
years of dating and nothing, and this is what America wants.
And he didn't do his job. Yeah, well you know

(01:14:48):
what I mean though that I think he goes as
hard as his been to do what I had to do.
I always felt you there. And then and then she goes, um,
I want to be the last one to have his heart.
And then Peter's eyes were really messed up, and she
even noticed it. She was like, his eyes are off,
I'm scared, um. And so then they go and she's

(01:15:09):
lit all these candles in her like they're trying to
class up there, like dirty, dirty death, like just Armageddon
hotel and she goes, um um. He goes, this is
so bittersweet for me. This is the time of my life.
You've got the first impression. Rose, You've been my rock
for every single step of the way. Is this conversation
where she was in the nice dress, lit the candles

(01:15:31):
and he shows up in a hoodie? Yes? Was that
she looked so beautiful and he yea. She thought they
were going to have some more date time. Yes, and
then normally they do. Normally they do, and the narrative
was gonna be oh, but I'm so conflicted. But then
he never tells her about Maddie leaving and he just leaves,

(01:15:54):
so it was like a non event. She lit these candles,
She's like, I'm getting ready and he shows up in
a red hood I don't even remember this scene. It
was because it was meaningless. Nothing happens, she says, a
really shitty hotel. There was like, uh cement wall outside
the door. When they opened the door, there was like
a rust rust under her balcony. She goes, I hope

(01:16:15):
I'm the person that makes you the happiest. I don't
ever want to stop pursuing you. Um, and my love
this again was like I have fault. My love for
you is totally different. I'm just speaking from my heart.
I'm a person who is in love now. Um, I
hear you. I did not take your champagne on purpose.

(01:16:37):
I want to truly I want I want to truly
show him me. I want somebody to chooses me for
who I am. And then um, he goes this has
definitely been the hardest week of my life. I've never
disdoubted anything ever with you. I know what I have
with you. This has just been heart. My heart is
pulled in two directions. This is tough. She's like, well,
that's not what I wanted to hear it. Here's the

(01:16:58):
thing that's pretty normal, Like on a normal season, Jerry,
they do see like there's two people left. I'm torn.
Like that's not a completely crazy thing, and in my
mind the mean new producers completely Like normally she would go, Okay,
well he's torn, but like, I hope it's me. I hope,

(01:17:20):
Like you know the deal is down. You don't go
I've reached my breaking point. I can't take it anymore.
It's like, well, you're about to find out in thirty
minutes so like, go down and see if you get proposal.
That's the name of the game. That's not an unusual
thing to say. And I feel like the producers were
the ones that were like, oh, my residual checks A
lot of were like seven cents, did you get a

(01:17:40):
lot of this? Still the king ones that were like
literally zero cents, I got ten zero, and they're just like,
what is I got thirteen checks totally? All total? It
was like a dollar twelve. Yes, I'm not even lying.
I think there was like two cents check. The stamp was.

(01:18:00):
So then she goes, I've given and I've given and
I've given and I want something in return, and then
it was just like so at the end of time,
he's got no game. So you don't normally, yes, that
always happens, but you don't always tell the person like, yeah,
my heart, so I could like to I don't know,
I with you or not, like that's not usually said.
At that point you tell the camera that you don't
really tell that person that he just got no game.

(01:18:21):
At this point, the producers, the producers are also falling
him into this too. Him basically hang himself and then
they made him go do it and then then then
and then they made him go do it, and then
they made her think about leaving like that was all.
And they I think they know he's fucked up enough

(01:18:44):
that if he heard she might leave and then she didn't,
that maybe he would actually like her more. I think
her rejecting him would have been an aphrodisiac for him,
that if she actually was like I think they were
maybe trying to give Hannah Ann a little bit of
a chance so that he would be more around. Was
by like, Okay, she's not a sure thing. I have
to chase her a little. I got her. Thank you.

(01:19:12):
All right, let's take a break. So take a break
the Bone Zone. Let's get in the bone zone. Guys. Hi, guys,
we're back. Join us on our longest podcast on Earth.
I know we've entered our five of the week and

(01:19:36):
it's going to read something from Instagram. So this was
the post that I was talking about earlier, that Maddie
post said. She's deleted it since or at least changed
the caption for some of them, because I think people
started to call her out. But as you see, it's
her with a bunch of kids from foreign countries that
she clearly went as missionary to work with, and the

(01:19:57):
caption is my heart found its joy as I served
the beautiful people the world calls poor, but who seems
so rich in love. I saw myself in those little faces.
I looked at them and felt this love that was unmanaged, unmanaged, unimaginable,
and knew that this was that this is the way
God sees me. The kids would run to me with

(01:20:18):
gifts of stones or dirt, and I saw myself filthy
and broken, offering my life to the creator of the
universe and begging him to make it into something beautiful.
I sit here in a broken world, small and dirty
at his feet, and he who sits so high, chooses
to commune with me, to love me anyway. He blinds,

(01:20:39):
He blinds himself to my sin and my filth so
that he can forge a relationship with me. And this
is what he did for me with these beautiful children.
He blinded me to the filth. And I saw hopefully,
children hungry for love that I was eager to share
with them. I adored them, but because of who I was,
not because of who I was, but because of who

(01:20:59):
he is. There felt why didn't you go on the Bachelor?
Why is she on the Bachelor? Why? I mean again,
why are you on that? Like that's that's your thing?
Okay the word, but why are you on the Bachelor? After?
After hannahby goes I you know, I've had sex and

(01:21:20):
Jesus still loves me, and you can be sex positive
and still be that. Maybe Madison's like I need to
come on and set things straight. Well, and it kind
of worked right, like when you look at the I mean,
people are taking her side and like they really applauded
her when she was like, well, I'm like living my
journey in my truth too, and half that audience was like, yeah,

(01:21:42):
you go. It's like that didn't feel like women's. That
felt like we're with you on Jesus. I feel like
it was with you on Jesus. I think they were
clapping for we're with you girl. Yeah that's nothing to you.
Go girl, you have a choice to make here too.
It's not just about Peter. I think that audience to me,
it's not religious. Wait what are we talking about. I

(01:22:04):
went and got a coat. So we were saying, like,
did she come on to spread her message? And I
kind of wondered maybe she came on because Hannaby comes
on and says, I've had sex. Jesus still loves me,
and she comes on, she's like, no, that is wrong.
I don't I don't think it was that calculated. I
don't think I think you sign up, you get pressured
into it by friends, or you do it, and then
you get sucked into this vortex where they keep you

(01:22:27):
off balance for a couple of months. You're tired, you're tired, exhausted,
and you've got all these people in your ear and
you've got all these who don't have your back. No,
of course, the weeks and she's like, oh, that's right,
the whole Jesus thing or who you know whatever. I
remember I called it. I. I said he's gonna pick

(01:22:48):
Maddie and she's gonna say no. So I didn't call
it right, But I said the reason I said I
picked that because I was like, remember her family dinners,
Like she's already made this grand statement that like virginity
is everything. How is she going to be able to
go back to that family dinner and like, look, her family,
you're just family in the eyes, her sisters and like

(01:23:11):
have them say nice things. It's like that pride that
dogma prevent made her dump him in the in the
woods amongst the bugs. Can I tell you how happy
it makes me feel to hear you be hate that
you've done this to me. Are you're in? You're in,
and just wait. Here's what I want to tell you.
Get ready, because all you're doing is learning about You're

(01:23:33):
just you're you're literally just getting This is all just
the farm team for the best show on Earth, which
is Paradise, which I hope they can film this year.
You guys don't even talk. Don't even say that. I can't.
Wouldn't they be already shooting. We need to get the guys.
We need to wear the guys on how things go.
There's gonna be old guys and younger gals. I wonder

(01:23:54):
if they're gonna want that many people living in close
contact and making out. I can't, I can't. I need it.
I need it, I need it. Everything is where everyone's in.
Actually that's good. It's a perfect coronavirus producer. Ever. Okay,
here we are, We've got miles to go. Guys. Here

(01:24:16):
we go, and we're on day four of the telethon,
and it's uh so Madison said goodbye. So here we are.
We're in the studio, Kelly's They're very tan, good to
see you. It's important that you're here. So crazy Peter
jogging where in Alice Springs he goes Hannah and I
found true love and the love you feel for the person.
I've found that and I this is my person. I

(01:24:39):
found my person. I love that I've been waiting for it.
It exists and it's right, and it's with Hannah hand.
It's like, well, I guess she's gonna watch back what
you just did a lot like so even if you
are with Hannah and she's gonna see that you didn't
want her first. So there's a pear shaped diamond we
see Neil Neil Lane a clue like a sign on

(01:25:02):
the walkway, so that we knew where Neil Lane Neil Lane,
And it was interesting watching. So last week Ashley I
was on and she said that Neil Lane in person
is actually really fun and flamboyant and that he's like
they just wanted to be serious, but I just want
to be free, like like de Lane is like the
silly guy who just like wants to be gree Yeah. Yeah,

(01:25:26):
while you were gone, Rob Jerry on one of the
last podcasts of Lee, except this Rose thought that Neil
Lane was actually a location. Yeah, where the where? Where
the proposal was on Neil Lane. I never kneel down.
Kneel down, walk down the lane and kneels it makes sense, Yeah,

(01:25:53):
talking about Neil Lane. I need to see Neil Lane.
And I'm like, what the hell's Neil Lane? Yeah? Podcast?
And then finally when the context clue of the proposal
hit me and I had this epiphany, I was like,
I get it now. Guys looked at me like I was.
I bought a cute little cottage right on Neil Lee. Yeah,

(01:26:13):
it's gonna be my summer place. I took a picture
of Neil Lane when he appeared. I was going to
text you, guys, I was this. Can you imagine him
with his friends? No, his bros? Oh, and I can
only imagine Blaze is like what Ashley I sister's boyfriend

(01:26:37):
named Blaze at the was it? Did he have a
lot of tattoos? Okay, it's different blades? Um, do you
just take a picture of coronavirus? Can I confess some
into you? I'm so insane, I've I've convinced myself for
the last month that even though I take my temperature
every day and it's low, but I've convinced myself that
I have the coronavirus. We all have all most I

(01:27:01):
don't have a cough, I don't have a fever, I
don't have fully convinced and the incubates for three weeks,
don't I'm fully convinced that I have. I honestly, all right,
let me take that. I'm going to send you something
that someone said to me that's really good about what

(01:27:24):
us tell me? Tell me what do I need to know? Um?
Every morning? I did it. I did it. I'm right
now and we'll take a breaking me right back. You
don't have it, but I do, see I have asthma.
So like that kind of scares me because the shortness

(01:27:47):
of that does happen to me sometimes because I have
asked me and like I don't know, but I don't
think I haven't. I don't worry. I'm going back. I'm
taking this back to Neil Lane, and I want to
ask you because you don't think I have it. I
don't think you have it. You don't. Did any of
you notice that Neil Lane only proffered one ring. Yes,
it was yeah, he said, he it's just it's just

(01:28:09):
a pear shape. Here's a pear shaped one. And he's
like that's nice. Well, I'm glad you like it, because
I think they're trying to get away from the cushion
cuts and go back to the pear. I think he
only had one ring. Yeah, okay, so here we are.
I gotta figure out what cushion cuts me kind of
sort of like it looks like a shape like a pillow.
Oh the oh the yeah, it's like a square. It's
sort of like a rectangle, but it's softer on the edges.

(01:28:30):
It's like it's a rounded and with all the diamonds
all the way around, they're like, I like salt and
pepper diamonds. What's that? It's like it's like dirty looking diamonds.
You know that's good chocolate diamonds. And it now you
look like from Batman before or he is wrapped. Yes,

(01:29:03):
I have my churnel neck over my new I don't
want to give you. I'm so I know I haven't.
I'm so crazy busy washing my hands and is not surgical.

(01:29:24):
You don't know that it's not a medical grade you?
How dare you? I wish. Alright, so you guys honestly
don't think I have it? Okay, great, I'm might. I
don't want to go get tested because I don't want
to get it and I can really post. Of course
you can't, okay. So he's so here we are, and

(01:29:47):
he's like he got the pear shaped diamond, and he
calls the dad and he goes, Mr Sluice, I want
to propose, like I can't believe I'm doing it. I
want to propose for and um, and the dad goes, well,
I trust Hannah's decision. He goes, thank you so much,
and he goes, I love you. Let's go whoa, that's

(01:30:10):
the sign of a guy in love. Oh yeah, let's
do this right now. I'm okay. So then she is
in a rusty balcony and she is reflecting on what
today could mean and she's putting out her bridal dress
to put on to walk through the Cragley desert in
her like in her sort of strappy heels, which again

(01:30:32):
our department did a great job on that walkway. Yea,
and she goes, I don't know, I do not doubt
my love for Peter. Last night, Um, last night, he
said my heart was pulled in two places, and that's
hard for me to wrap my head around. I don't
know if I want to keep going. It's like, oh, really, okay,

(01:30:52):
which producer got to you? Like? What? Like, okay, did
you also notice that they tease like it's not who
you think? Did that they teach the night before? Like
that cute producer next to him on the bed, because
there's been rumors going around that is a producer. Yeah,
And there was a very similar looking lady on the

(01:31:15):
camera in the passengers. I think that was just a
camera lady. It's just a camera there. There was a
rumor that he didn't end up anywhere, that he ended
up like falling in love with his there's a cute
the Bachelor handler and Nick verified this. She's a cute lady,
and I was like, that's why you don't hire the
hot nanny. You don't hire a hot So the rumor

(01:31:36):
was that he fell in love with the producer, and
there were a lot of photos of him with her
and with his family that family events and dinner and
when someone confronted the producer of uh, the Bachelor, is
it true that he's involved with this producer? The producer
for The Bachelor said, we're not going to comment on that.

(01:31:58):
So they were trying to keep going. That makes a
little more sense about the end of the show last
night because he you know, he couldn't commit to like
madd he's my girl. Yeah no, no, because they knew,
the producers knew the fun of the fun that was
going around. Okay, so then he goes, she goes, I
don't want to keep giving Um, it doesn't seem like

(01:32:18):
he's there. I'm gonna put up my garden. Normally I
put up my garden. I tap out, and um, girl,
he guys. So when he's there and he's like, whoa,
let's do this. And then there he is in that
suit and um, Chris Harrison walks up and he looks
like he has been out in the outback covered in mud,

(01:32:39):
like like literally it was as if he put like
old school powdery bronze ron but it was like mud
and bronze are like just that dust like red dust
was all over his face in the spot. Okay, So
then oh okay, sorry, So then so basically, just wipe

(01:33:01):
the microphone handle any face with the hand sanitizer, wiped
your face with you're gonna go through TOOI okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, pad,
you just grabbed another one, well right next to you,
all right, I have to rash. I have to rash.
This is not comedogenic. Okay. So then he goes. So

(01:33:22):
then they come up and they're like, I just found
something out Hannah and we're not positive that she's coming,
and oh my god, and he goes, I think I'm
gonna pass out. The producers that was a brutal move
on their part, brutal, brutal and teasing us with that
all season, and you just show back essentially it was nothing.
She was late. Yeah, it's also just found us out

(01:33:44):
getting dressed. Yeah, she's on her way to the car.
He was going to the proposal. Yeah, it just seems
like bullshit. He's like, I think, he goes, I'm lightheaded.
He went he was breathing, and then they laid down.
Then they're like, okay, she's coming. It's like the meanest
these new producers are. I don't like it. I don't

(01:34:06):
I don't think we need it. I don't think they
realized that we actually want people to we actually want
someone to fall, and we want to Carley and Evan,
we want people to fall in love and get married,
and producer terms, it's putting a hat on a hat
on a hat and a hat. Yeah, there's no reason
you don't need that extra beat. No, it's all about
the preview. It's all about that. They've been showing him
laying in the bed like I'm going to pass out

(01:34:26):
all all year and amounted like a minute, Chris come
Chris Harrison comes back end and he's like, um, so
I just got worried. She's on her way. You know
she had so she didn't. So then she shows up
and he doesn't Normally they're like, how you feeling anything?

(01:34:49):
Like he didn't even talk to her. He was like
this straight down that path, like he didn't even give
her the Normally there's that like okay, so feeling beautiful,
how do you feel? I wish you the best of luck? Okay, A, well,
Peter's waiting for you down there. He was just worked
down that path and then like so she's like in
her like strappy sandals that that will rip up the
ankle and like the where the straps pissed at him

(01:35:10):
again like go help her down or yeah, when she
finally got there, She's like, well that was been Harry,
and he's like he's like yeah, talk to her like
that looked rough? Was that? What was that? Right? You're
the Bachelor of the Year. I really wanted to I
could be a fifty year old bachelor, so of course
you could. You wouldn't who wouldn't Who wouldn't want Rob Bennet.

(01:35:33):
Let's nominate Jerry and Yes and Brendan. I want to Stadi. Brendan,
you were asking about the facial hair and everything. I'm
liking what you have going on right now. I love it.
I like the hair. I like the hair on the
sideburns are fun. Why didn't do that? I used to
have the sideburns. It's better. You don't need to hide

(01:35:55):
your beautiful spacebook. You're gonna being the bachelor that way, okay?
Grant like, okay, which I love. We're gonna go to
the Coyote Sanctuary. Oh my god, I would love that. Okay.
So then it's hell on Earth. She's walking down um
and and then there there's heartbeat again, the audio of

(01:36:20):
the heartbeat, and then Hannah Anne starts crying and he
goes Ever since that first night I told you that
you had my heart. I have to file my heart.
Who felt when he goes so Madison. Everybody thought that
everyone ever we did, and even the editing of her

(01:36:40):
face was like, oh, the whole this whole scene was
botched to me as I was watching it, Yeah, I
thought it was poorly edited. Yeah, I thought it was
poorly active. Yes, poorly executed. Because at least, Jerry, because
you haven't seen these before, at least these moments are
what you've been waiting for. Yeah. Yeah, usually there's a

(01:37:04):
body of water at the back of beautiful moment, yes, beautiful. Yeah,
it's just like and they were on a little burnt
down gazebo with the with the peer one off the
drum wrappers. I mean, it was nothing. And her even

(01:37:26):
her reactions was like, yeah, just call her the wrong name.
He goes Madison. Um, she actually left. To a part
of me was like, did he just realize that he
funked up? Like so Madison, Hannah and she actually just
left two days ago ago. Um. And then she goes,
you are thoughtful, carrying a passionate, my heart chooses you forever,

(01:37:50):
I love you, and she goes, you love only me. Gosh,
and then she's like and then she goes, I can't
believe you're mine. I get to love you forever. Amazing,
I love you forever. It's also neither one of them
is crying, shaking, or excited or and I thought her

(01:38:13):
face if you watch it again, I thought her face
once he did finally go down on one knee, her
face looks like someone who is thinking what do I
do now? Not what I thought was going to happen. Yeah,
it don't be look caught like I'm not. Her hand
is rock steady, She's not nervous. She just holding her
hand out trying to figure out what then am I

(01:38:34):
gonna do? Now? I just won prices right, But I
don't want the Winnebago. Yes, I wanted. I wanted the trips.
I didn't want the party bot. I did not that
flat boat can Yeah, I live in a landlocked area.
Why did I get a party boat? Okay? So that's god.
I want to go deeplanko so badly. Okay. So then

(01:38:57):
so then they're like, okay, so then they're like whoa
cheers wearing gay So then they're like, here we are
in l a as normal, where we always go to
a weird fake rented house to visit our parents, and
he goes, whet, now I'm mad. So they go and
there because we also know we have like an hour

(01:39:17):
and a half to go, and I had to start late.
I'm like, I sacrifice sleep for this. Are you good?
Is this? When he's staring at the pool when she
walks in, No, no, we're so far from that. So
then it felt me there and they're like, oh, the
mom has been one week. And the mom was like, oh,
but but my boy, he's like, what has it been

(01:39:40):
a week. So then so then she's weeping. He goes,
I used I missed you so much. Your smile, your hellos. Yeah,
you're smile, you're hello. I thought he was gone for
a month. At the when we and hellos are magnificent. Yeah,

(01:40:02):
they hadn't seen him in a week's oh boo. Then
she's holding hands with the brother and the dad tolos tollos.
He goes, well, I'm engaged. She's like oh. He goes,
I'm so happy with my person. And Barbara's crawling out
of her skin, and she goes, ho is that? And

(01:40:26):
he's like, well, I love Hannah, And and then truly
this is the publisher's clearing house, Like, and somebody tweeted
us that, so I'm stealing some much joking. I will
give him a proper shout out. Later, it was like
it would have made more sense her reaction if somebody
had walked in with a big check. It was like, oh,

(01:40:53):
but oh my god, oh god, oh, this is the
best news ever. We love her so much, She's like,
you met her for four minutes, never so much. We
love her. Oh, I can't wait to see my daughter.
She's a fucking nightmare. I'm sorry, she said, night I know,
see somebody's mom. And I'm sorry, not to disrespectful, she said,

(01:41:15):
and hit my daughter. Oh, and she goes, oh this
feed Oh we love you, and oh we love you.
And the brothers like, we love you. We miss you,
the brother said, and paget to what you were saying earlier,
like I felt like Hannah, Hannah. And in that conversation
she was like, we love you, daughter, and she was like,
I'm looking forward to meeting you family or to seeing you.

(01:41:37):
Just did not seem that she felt disconnected in there.
Good It was so then so then Barbara is so
happy and her face is so fucking jam man and
then it's time for I rented Airbnb for because he
lives at home. It's time. But we were fighting for

(01:41:57):
a man who lives at home with the craziest mom
on Earth. And then it's crazy stage mom on Earth.
And then so so one month later, Dan Dong Hannah
and oh hey, it's well long has it been a month? Yeah? Crazy?
This is when he was staring at the pool. No
Hannah hand, they haven't seen each other. Yeah, They're like,

(01:42:22):
we both know this has been hard. You've been the
most amazing rock. I'm so thankful, and she's like, well,
I want to continue to be that rock for you.
She again, she's so deep in, but she's still gunning
for the snatch Laurette because she knows, she knows, she knows,
and she and he goes. He goes, I've been honest
with you about everything, and I have no doubt that

(01:42:43):
I have fallen in love with you. I do love you,
but I'm struggling and it kills me to put you
through this. And you've given everything and you've been at
by my side, but um, you know where I'm at
and I hate that. And then this is when she
starts to really win America over. She goes, when I
said to you that I want a partnership, a team.
This is not a relationship. It is not a two

(01:43:05):
way street that has to be fifty fifty. I never
and he was never intended to give my hurt to
two people. I can't do it. I'm so sorry. And
then she goes, you took that away from me. This
is my first engagement. And then Barbara's watching. This is
when Barbara starts watching in the in the corner of
the street, and she's her her head shaking. No, she's upset.

(01:43:25):
She's upset. And Peter has his pig jeans on and
his boots too high. It was like it was like
a capri. His skinny jeans are too skinny. He has
like he's not Dean. He's not Dean. He's not a
good dresser. He's never Nick Bail was a good dresser.
I did mention his shall call her a card again,

(01:43:47):
and he said that was a mistake. There we go, Okay,
this this moment was not earned. Can I just say this,
yes for Brendan Smith. As I was watching it. If
you're like constructing a script, the moment where Hannah walks
in yeah, most of America is still supposed to be
thinking like, oh my god, this is gonna be great. Yeah,

(01:44:08):
they just fumbled. I felt like in the production they
fumbled something earned. They skipped. You need to be place,
you need to take over the franchise. I wish I could,
because I would have said, no, we haven't earned this moment.
You have to do a thing where you have the
Dark Knight of the Soul with Peter, where Peter goes
out with a buddy, or Peter goes out with somebody

(01:44:28):
else and Peter starts talking, he goes line dancing at
the fucking borderline and whatever. So you can see that
he's starting to turn because his turn kind of came
out of nowhere. We know the turn is going to come.
Because that's why I was so mad. But for me,
they didn't earn it. Because for the people who are
still watching and want wanting to believe in the full

(01:44:48):
fantasy and people who are rooting for Hannah, and this
just felt awkward and just poorly produced. That's all I'm
gonna say. And then as they marched around the as
Hannah and is leaving an leaving and leaving and not
leaving in the bathroom totally. I mean, you see camera
guys everywhere, but you still have to set up those
cameras where they are. You still gotta go, you gotta

(01:45:09):
walk through here. Maybe it was Becca conversation. It was
because they are Beckett was not even a circle because
they get this fall in a circle. This has too
many me It really lacked, it lacked context, and it
almost felt like they already broke up and we broke
up because Hannah I felt like she had prepped her
thing like you took this away from me. Yeah, I

(01:45:31):
agree with you, but don't worry. I'm a strong woman.
Like it was again where you're like, yes, this feels
like you knew this was. I think that they I
think you're right. I think that's exactly what happened. And
I think she, honest to God, was thinking the whole
the whole campaign of her being the bachelorette is I
am my own rock. Ye, I don't need a rock.

(01:45:56):
It's gonna be. She's still thinking she's going to be
the bachelor during this breakup, because I think they did
break up and they did do it again, and she
even said, she goes, if you want a woman, you
have to be a man, she had all of her ship.
We're not man enough to be true to your words.
You're absolutely right, I am my own rock was gonna
be there, like, let's do the damn thing was I
am my own rocking rock and it was going to

(01:46:18):
be the post me too. Feminists and a lot of
people are online saying last night that ABC because because
she really came to play last night in the studio
audience and a lot of ABC with people were staying
online that when they wheeled out Claire, people were like,
who the fund is it? Like we want Hannah And
it was sudden, but it was released. That information was

(01:46:39):
released before these last two episodes aired because they wanted
to keep us invested and we're like, oh, well we
know Hannah, and in our minds were still two years.
We think, well, if I know it, they know it
on TV. So Hannah Ann isn't going to be the
Bachelor at the time, she didn't know that. She's still
gunning for it. Yes, this is so. Then I also

(01:47:00):
real quick that when she comes to the house and
she does that awkward sit on his leg when she
forgot how to sit on a couch. Yeah, so then
she goes look I can't even look at you anymore.
It's affected a lot of people because he's sniffling and
crying too. Yes, I don't. I don't need enough anything

(01:47:23):
more from you. You've done enough damage. Um and and
and so the Barbara is clapping at that. Barbara was
like yeah, so then, um, yes, and you're not man
enough to be a true man of your words. And
he's such a MoMA's boy. And then she's out there
and she goes in the audience. So now she's been
brought out. You betrayed me, and you know what, Um,

(01:47:44):
I get to go back on track where I was
before this all started. I'm strong and I've been my
own rock through this, and you don't have to worry
about me. Um. It was just she goes, words are powerful,
and uh, you know, she's goes. You didn't tell me everything.
She had a fair points like you didn't let me
know the extent like i've now watched back. You don't

(01:48:05):
let me deal with the extent of like what it
was in Madison. You weren't upfront about it. You know,
I didn't know I was the only girl left. I
was placed on the spot for two days. She also
clarifies for two days to talk to me. Yeah, She's like,
she was like you also, like you've talked to me.
I'm reasonable, you could have told me, and like then
I was blindsided. She's right, yeah, he's a liar because

(01:48:30):
she's also free in the proposal to say no. Yeah, yes, right,
And then she also said and then and she was
also pointing out like you kind of knew I would
say no if you told me, And that's why you
didn't want to lose me. So like you withheld things
because you were like, like you wanted the toy. If
you can't have the other toy, then you at least
want this toy. And then he goes and because you

(01:48:51):
weren't available, you didn't even respect me enough. You had
to have closure with three there's three women. It was me,
there was Hannah Brown. You need to have closure with
and then you needed to you need to be a
real man, and um that was she did a great job.
It sounded to me in that moment that his closure
with Hannah Brown came after they got engaged. It seemed

(01:49:14):
like it was time specific to not only did I
say yes, but then you needed closure from three of
us In that I think, I don't know what. I
don't know what happened. I don't know what. Maybe that's
something we didn't see. Maybe that's a scene that was
shot of him talking to Hannah b and like, I
need to be able to move on and I want
to make sure I made the right decision. And she's like, well,

(01:49:36):
did you make the right decision? He's thinking, no, it's
Maddie and then goes to break it, which is a
great scene that would have made sense that you're a
great producer. I think we could do a great job next.
So then she leaves, barb is barbed, cut her own
bangs at the Universal held and like just just really

(01:49:58):
looked great. I cannot believe. So then we have Chris
went to Auburn unbeknownst to Um, and Barbe starts scowling,
start scowling. He goes to Auburn, Alabama barbed eye rolls.

(01:50:20):
The eye rolls in the corner were fascinating and Um
and then and then she goes He's like, well, I
came to tell you, so that can you tell me?
He's like, well, they got engaged, okay, did they? But
they broke up? And then she said, how is he
is he okay, it breaks my heart and Barbed literally
rolled her eyes like so upset, and then he goes, um,

(01:50:43):
he's single. He ended it, are you in love with Peter?
And she's like, I've I fell in love with him
and it's the same as true for him, and I
still have feelings for him, and um, you know I
have been stopped thinking about him and I regret it.
And then she goes, what does he want? He goes,
his dream would be to be with you, and Barbe
was rolling her eyes and um, there was a heartbeat.

(01:51:05):
They added a heartbeat and then anything goes, well, what now,
and he goes, just, we're heading to l a second chance.
Here we go. We're at the pool, rob the pool?
Why is he? What's he doing at the boola? Man?
We're gonna put you through hair and makeup and you
just we're just gonna plant you next this pool. Just
look at the pool. A stand here and look at
the even though like the production ended four months ago.

(01:51:29):
We need to meet you, like you know and have
you stare at this pool? And I love the post exposition.
Later when he when he has to explain to the audience,
he's like, you're meeting me. Yeah, I thought it was you, Chris,
And that turn over the shoulder into the camera at
the camera people. It was so good. It was so good.

(01:51:50):
It was bizarre. It was so good. And then he
made like a puppet. But that has a little his
little smile. It was very sincere though his little smile,
all you sucker, wasn't a just like that thing that
Anna just read was along to me? And then whose

(01:52:10):
else is that? That's like another Airbn not even it
kind of felt like it felt like a chain link fence,
like that wasn't the same house that hand Anne came
to um And then they're like, and she goes, can
we talk? Because I knew it wasn't I knew it
wasn't Madison. And I heard I knew it wasn't Chris
when I heard clicking. And then Chris Harrison had a joke.

(01:52:31):
Was Chris Harrison wearing heels again? Why Why did Chris?
This is Chris Harrison? So Madison comes on stage. Are
we there yet? Yeah? And and Chris Harrison's like, look,
I've been there for you. I'm your neighbor. Yeah. I
think they've used Chris Harrison's house in the past. I

(01:52:51):
don't know. I swear to God, I actually think that
Nick that Ari broke up with Becca in Chris's house. No,
no Airbnb. It's up here, it's up near. It's up
near Running Run right at the top of Running. But
I think that they would be neighbors. Then they wouldn't
be neighbors. Well, I think that it could be another
house people found it, but Chris lives up There's what

(01:53:11):
you're saying. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I think I
swear to get up there as well. Yeah, I see
Chris's pool boy. That's why he was staring. So she goes, well,
I'm struggling with it, and now so they bring her out.
She's in her pink dress. She didn't have the lashes
because she got professional hair and makeup. Was it like
the fills or whatever. Her hair was really long, had

(01:53:39):
to be, you know, it almost to like sister wife.
Feel like I've just stopped combing my hair, like I
stopped cutting it. It felt it didn't feel like extension,
just feel like she hasn't cut it in like two years.
Like it was. It was like a lot longer. Little
house on the prairie, little house on the Prairie like,
just we're just we don't cut her hair anymore. We're
going to cut it. That's what the dirty people do, Yeah,

(01:54:01):
the dirty, dirty, filthy children. So um, so she goes,
I have so much heart and my I'm so much
in love in my heart for her, and Barb starts
gagging in the corner. Barb is gagging, and then he goes,
I fell in love with you, and she goes, we
are here for a reason. I can't change the past.

(01:54:22):
So what do we do? And he goes have you seen?
Madison's like no, Um, are you in love with medicine?
And he goes yeah. And then Barb was just not
into it. And then but Madison kept looking over at
him and then um, She's like, my feelings never went away.
And he goes, do you want to give the relationship
real shot? Now? Neil Lane's waiting there with one one
ring in a suitcase, hoping for his time to get

(01:54:45):
on Neil Lane and he's been pointed out by Chris
Harrison in the audience. Yeah uh, right before Madison came out.
So he goes, do you want to give the relationship
a real shot? And he goes, well, and we're all
I wanted a proposal, but he goes, we're doing one
step at a time, one day at a time. And
then um, Barbe, he goes, what do you think about

(01:55:08):
a Barbe's like, Chris, I have my feelings. Um you know,
Um Hannah Anne embraced me and we we were I
was totally with my love for her. I was into her.
I was into her because and with this one, she
waited three hours, she didn't want to meet us where
she was exhausted, didn't get an apology from her. She's

(01:55:31):
not an all other son. And then um, Maddie goes,
it is what it is. It's out of my control.
I'm unashamed of who I am. And then Barbe was pissed.
And then they said what do you think, Peter Senior?
And she goes say something bad to make me look okay,
and then um, but he never stood up to his
mom like she kept budding and he kept letting it go.

(01:55:51):
And then she was like, well, you know, this isn't
fully about you. This is someone I love too. Yes,
it's Peter's journey, but it's also my journey. It's me
choosing p her. It is my true my journey to
and um and then and then Barbe goes, he's going
to fail. He's going to fail in order to succeed.
All his friends know it. It's not gonna work. Everybody

(01:56:13):
knows it. And he goes, I'm telling you I love
Madison and that should be enough. And she says, this
is about me and Peter. It was a crazy I
have a question now if would you guys have gone
up against Barbe in that moment if you were madisone
because I wouldn't have. I kind of understand why she
was like it is what it is, because it's like,
what are you gonna like, Like Barbe would argue with

(01:56:34):
you on that stage for an hour and that I
thought you just had to shut it down. Yeah, you
have a conversation in private, But she didn't need to
go ahead. No, she was she was never gonna win.
I agree with you. That's what I thought to me,
Like when you're dealing with somebody who's like ship face,
like once you start defending yourself against a lot of
like you're it's over. So I think it like doing

(01:56:55):
this a little bit of I'm sorry you feel that way,
kind of like let's just diffuse that I'm never gonna win.
It felt like barbarouad like spill all the tea. Yeah,
she had no problem coming out with the facts. Peter
was given a growth opportunity to truly stand up to Mom,
and he did not. He did he was basically said,
let's save this for later. It's basically he's never going
to stand up to her. I know that, And that's

(01:57:17):
what I'm saying. He's blown another growth opportunity because eventually
he's gonna have to say Mom, fuck off. Yes, you're
fucking crazy lady. You need a lot of therapy. Yes,
and like get out. He's regardless of whether it's Madison
or what. The first thing he needs to do is
literally move out. Today he meets his own apartment. He
doesn't stand a chance. I don't know. I think it's

(01:57:39):
about Madison. Like the this entire season was about a
dude that needs to move out of his overbearing mother's house.
That's it, Like this is just move you. They should
have shot the first two weeks in the mother's house
with the girls. That's what I would have done. Yeah, sorry, yes,
can I ask a question. My impression was very quickly

(01:58:04):
after Madison came out, and once barbe started saying, this one,
she's three hours late. This is why we don't like her.
Did Madison listen? This whole episode was torturous to watch.
I don't want to watch it again, but I watched
some more again this morning. Madison starts. It almost looks
like she's rolling on ecstasy. She's biting her lips. She's

(01:58:26):
which is a sign usually of someone not wanting to
say something. You're actually I'm trying to bite your words.
It's a physical manifestation of a form of lying. And
I wonder if she was expecting Peter to propose. That's
why Neil Lane was there, that she was expecting it
to go one way. And now Barbe is saying this
one is late, and she's rude, and she's defending herself,

(01:58:49):
but she's she looks livid. I don't blame she looks
like Barbara was all about her relationship with the girls
and none of none of it about Peter and the ladies.
What what what do you think Medicine would have said? Yes,
if Peter would have proposed, I have no idea now,
because I don't even know what we were watching. I
want to say that I don't understand I don't understand it.

(01:59:11):
Does anybody here like those two people, I thought they
were right for eachildren, Yes, but now that I know
a little more, I actually I actually liked I want
to say this and I you know, I fucking loved
my mom. Let me just say this. I had the
best mom in the world. I loved her my mom,

(01:59:32):
and and she was no, not at all like Barb. However,
my mom only like guys if they would could kind
of come in and not flirt with her. But she
needed a lot of attention j J. She needed attention
and she needed like, oh, so and so I was

(01:59:52):
going to take you to the museum. She needed like
her own little kind of dates. And if she didn't,
she didn't get it. But some people like if a
guy doesn't didn't give it about you both are like
if a guy didn't do it, I bet so, Like,
oh my god. J J was ready to literally ruin

(02:00:13):
any relationship, like she wanted you were not available, and
she was like I want yeah, she literally said to me,
because she didn't like dating. She goes, I don't want
to dat old man. Have you ever seen old man balls?
I want to you from Rob She met ro So
he goes I would date your mom, But I want
to just say, like so having a mom, that it
was not about me and the guys. It was are

(02:00:35):
they giving her enough attention? And I loved her, but
like like this was I didn't get I was into
her casan and was into me Like it was like
you didn't kiss the ring enough of me? And like
that to me, was she all she thought about herself? It?
May I say one more thing about about the relationship

(02:00:57):
between Peter and Maddie. As an ellen On sponsor, I
take a lot of phone calls about relationships, and I
have a thing about relationships, which is it's all fun
and games for like the first six months. You don't
really know what you got until you both have to
deal with an external situation a death in someone's family,

(02:01:17):
a bill that alters someone's life, an accident, something that
reveals the other person's true character, and then your reaction
to it. The bachelor world is pure fun and games, yes,
pure jos fun and games and drama in the house
because so and so said so and so was drunk
and blah blah blah blah blah. But it is pure

(02:01:38):
fun and games, so there is no external event that
shines a light on the two people and reveals character.
This was revealing ternal force is mom, yes, we have
this little lunatic in the studio and both of them
look like deer in the headlights, both of them. So

(02:01:59):
I would not have able to do and then to
me in that moment, that's all I need to know.
There's no way they work out. They won't know because
and even if they were right for each other, even
if they were, let's say she I mean, let's say
she did have the moment where she was like, you
know what, I will use the religion to have it
be more like support, like like it is about forgiveness,

(02:02:20):
like I love you you, let's let's do this, and
like you know, I accept you for who you are,
like and like, let's say they were the people that
we've seen on the first few dates together that actually
felt comfortable. But if she didn't go and pay enough
attention to Barbe and Barb did this and they actually
got engaged, Barbara route, they would never stand a chancers,
just never send a chance. But Peter has also proven

(02:02:43):
that he's kind of gonna whoos out yes in a
moment that might really make you mad. Yes, you know
what I mean. Yes, you agree with you? He Madison
has shown now that she might be kind of a pill.
I don't agree with you. I felt like she handed
herself like a lady. Was like I felt to me
like when she was like, it's not just about your son,

(02:03:04):
like I'm also picking it's not just like which it's
a valid point, but I'm just saying, how should she
have handled Barb coming at her just it's just just
just smiling, wave and just be patient about it because
you know that you've got to really deal with what
do you say to her that you have a long
term relationship with that man? You don't say anything to

(02:03:26):
her in that moment, apologize for like, I'm so sorry
I made you wait for three hours. Kind of a
pill that day, I was going through a lot. I
really apologize and I feel and I would pull the
curtain back a little bit on the show and say, Barb,
we're on the Bachelor. It is fucking crazy. You've talked
to all these people. It is I I didn't even
know what which way was up and which way was

(02:03:47):
down where all time? I cannot wait to get to
know you guys. IM prove that I love your son
more than anything in the world. All you want, what
you're saying is you just want something real. You just
want some sort of I'm listening to you and I
have an authentic response. But they're so dumb. They're both
so basic and part that they're just kind of like,

(02:04:10):
we don't know. And that's why I don't think. I
don't see Barbed as selfish. I see her as being
the one that's speaking the truth, but but we don't know.
It wasn't the time to do it. Are deluding, that's
the show. But she didn't. She's gonna wait, you are
deluding yourself when you're never going to get over the

(02:04:32):
virginity thing. When she and he's a big at the
very end when she she did I think maybe you
do it once. And then he asked her to back off,
and then she's like, fine, go fait like it does
seem mean it like it was it was me. The
truth hurts. You know. They're staying at the safari ende.

(02:04:54):
She had a quick bang trim. Oh my god, some
news just came out playing this was released on Rachel
and Becca's podcast that they think that that Madison is
a phony because she already has gotten her self representation.
She has gotten herself an agent and a manager. And

(02:05:15):
Becca and Lindsay are both like, we don't even have that.
And Hannah AND's like, I'm a model, I don't even
have that. And Madison has gotten got gotten herself a manager,
a public relations specialist, and I think it's an agent. Yeah,
she definitely a manager. They don't know. But she apparently
hired people. So that's interesting because like Becca is like,

(02:05:38):
I haven't even hired someone. Rachel's like, I never hired
someone in Hannah Ann's like, I'm already a model and
I don't even have that. Have you seen Hannah Ann's post? Yes,
what is it? What is it? Says? She's got playing
goggles draped over her shoulder. I'm going to show you
the picture and it says flying solo, no turbulence accepted period.

(02:06:00):
She Oh my god, let me let me say let
me say so good. Okay, wait. They wanted to miss
lead the audience. They wanted the audience to say, will
you guys email us and email in Rose podcast at

(02:06:20):
gmail dot com. Where do you what side are you on?
Where do you guys say? And what do you think about?
Barb did you think Barb was in the right. Where
do you stand? We want to hear where you stand
on Madison and Barb. Um, I have what LORI just emailed,
texted Anna and I she's our Bachelor history and she
texted a picture. Somebody tweeted out, I find peace knowing
that Maddie will forever be in Barbs vow and for
dual photos hashtag suck at Barb. And then and then

(02:06:47):
this is from um somebody, this is from reality Steve,
which brings us to Barb. There's nothing groundbreaking. I'm going
to say that most of you don't already think after
last night she went on. She went after a twenty
three year old girl on stage for something she did
three and a half months earlier in Australia, and she
embarrassed her son in the process. Look, I don't think
Peter and Madison have a chance in hell of making

(02:07:08):
it long term. And I've said that all season, just
because I really don't think Peter is ready to settle down,
and certainly not with somebody as different as grounded as Madison.
So Barb isn't wrong in having an opinion that they
won't make it, but to be so dismissive about your
own son and his happiness, and it basically insults him
and embarrass him on national television was just so wrong
on so many levels. Who does that to their own son.

(02:07:29):
The best thing Peter did all night was to take
up stick up for Maddie when his mom was basically
raging against her. And I still think Peter could have
stuck up for her more. Peter and Maddie already have
enough obstacles in front of them to overcome to start this.
I mean, that's He's not wrong. I deserves it. I mean,
that's just it is. It's like, I don't know, I
just look at it from like a justice standpoint. They

(02:07:52):
need someone needed to hear it everything Barb said they
needed to hear I the audience member needed to hear it.
But I needed someone to be like, you guys are
crazy if you think this is gonna work. So for
me it felt like, oh finally I can breathe Anna,
what do you think? I honestly, I'm still to the
point like let them figure it out if they want

(02:08:13):
to go, do so, and then if it doesn't work,
it doesn't work, and can be like all or whatever.
And then he'll learn. He'll crash and fail. If he does,
he'll learn from it. He'll move on. He's a handsome guy.
I'm not worried about him. That's why I understand why
Barb is. I understand it's your son, but the amount

(02:08:36):
of like vitriol that she has towards Madison is unnecessary.
It's also towards her son. That's what he's really gross.
Was she was expressing contempt and disgust for her own son,
which is histrionic, Like that's a part of her personality disorder.
But it hurts to see a mother treating their child

(02:08:57):
that way. That was Laurie has texted us Apparently there
may be some truth, hope pleas. Apparently there may be
some truth to Peter hooking up with his producer and Kelly.

(02:09:17):
There may be okay, but this producer and Kelly, what
is the Kelly one? That's crazy? Okay, I'm talking they
hooked up the first time? Yeah, oh yeah, okay. I'm
gonna take a moment, first of all, to thank everybody
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(02:09:39):
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(02:09:59):
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And allegedly you have to sell eight thousand books to
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I'm gonna give away five T shirts right now, and
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(02:10:20):
The first T shirt is Lindsay gold Scene. You gotta shirt. Okay,
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(02:10:41):
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(02:11:05):
or if we're all in lockdown, will share a nice
FaceTime meal in our quarantines. Um, when Page gets back,
we will do our tweet of the week pick I
do want to see? Laurie responded that apparently he hooked
up with Kelly and the producer after the hannah An engage.
According to Laurie our source, our special that collar finds

(02:11:31):
out it's done. Wait a minute, Okay, wait, let's call Laurie.
Let's call did mess what happened? Okay, wait, I'm gonna
call her. Okay, wait, okay, and Kelly after, Why did
I say that she's important that she's there? J al right,
everybody start making your calls. Hold on, hold on, I'm
calling Laurie. You guys got to see this. Everybody's grabbing

(02:11:54):
their phones. War room. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no,
wait wait okay, wait here, Katie's like plugging Slitzer and
you're in the situation Room's Julie. It fills out laploca
like everyone. What why is it not calling? I'm gonna say, wait, Anna,

(02:12:15):
do you get um? Okay? Wait wait is that the producer? Yeah, yeah,
she's Wait wait Laurie, am I FaceTime audio in you?
That's fine? Yeah, Oh my god, I didn't mean. Okay, Laurie, Laurie,
plug plug this in, plug this in? Okay, So the right, Larry, Larry, Larry,
can you hear us? She's cute, She's cute. Great, Laurie.
Can you hear us? I can hear you? Got okay, Okay,

(02:12:37):
you can see you're on the podcast. Ok this is
We've got robbed Paget, Anna, Katie Brennan and Jerry. Yeah,
don't freak out, Jerry trainers here. Okay, tell us tell
us everything, tell us everything. Let me say wait wait
wait wait on the right or the left? Alright? Alright, right,

(02:12:58):
so address this. This is the information that I have
this Okay. So there have been rumors throughout the season
about you know who Peter has been involved with, and
there's been a couple of squirreling rumors, one which is
that he in fact has hooked up with the producer

(02:13:20):
on the season. Um, I forget her name. There you go. Okay,
so there's that there's that rumor, which you know, some
people were trying to put to bed saying that's certainly
not the case. But now they say, well, hearing all
of these stories, how he's actually been, uh been quite
a philanderer since the Super Bowl Apparently that's when he

(02:13:44):
broke up with Hannah ann um that there was a
rumor as what well, that he hooked up with Kelly
and slept with her. And that's why, you know, there
were all these rumors that she might be pregnant, and
that was the announcement. Of course that's case, but it's
important that she was there last night. Yeah, that's why
she was there last night. That's why she was glowing well.

(02:14:08):
And there's the other component where she is the only
contestant that Peter's family follows on Instagram, uh, which you know,
of course means nothing, but we will talk about it. Uh.
And and that uh barbed apparently on her Instagram last night.
My friends said, let's see what did she say? She said,

(02:14:33):
um to Kelly after a post the most beautiful, elegant, classy, intelligent,
stylish girl in the world. You were and will always
be my faith whoa Barb is out of hand so much.
This is excellent reporting. Thank you, Laurie. What did you think? Why?
From Berkeley, California? This is reporting? All right? Were you

(02:14:57):
were you team Madison er team Barbed? Last night? I
mean I am team Hannah and last night I think
you know clearly Madison and Peter are never gonna make it. Um.
You know, line dancing is I think there's a line

(02:15:17):
in the Bible saying that, and um. But I think
that Barb was off the wall. The fact that she
was dragging her son in front of millions of people
and not just shutting her trapp and saying, you know,
I'm going to support my son, but you know, telling

(02:15:38):
him privately that she doesn't. Doesn't Mike madisone. I just
cannot believe she did that to her son in front
of those millions of people. There you go, Okay, I'm
the only one here that thinks that every true. I'm
with you, okay, every wait wait, everybody's wait wait wait,
I need to get some clarity. So people are people

(02:15:58):
are team Barb and I'm stunned a lot. I'm not opposed.
You guys are correct that she was historyonic there there
she was off the wall. But I just she's on
the show and she spoke the truth. That's like, what
would you have her do? There is no room for
a private, off camera conversation because then that's not on

(02:16:20):
the show. She needs to be honest. No, that's crazy.
Think that's not as if he is dating an abuser
or you know, an addict, manipulator or whatever. She likes
the addicted to God, the lord um. And you know,

(02:16:42):
maybe she she was late three hours, but I like
how she makes that about Madison and not about Peter.
And she's more concerned about being right than supporting her son.
I know, I love you. I'm gonna call you later.
We're gonna do tweet of the week because this has
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(02:17:04):
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(02:20:18):
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and we do want to hear what you think of
of what you thought of Barb, what you thought of Madison.
But here is uh some of the emails we've gotten recently.
This one is from a Shabrina z Um. That subject
line is not defending Barb. But if anybody just give

(02:21:26):
gave me a short briefing of what Madison said, which
Peter did and didn't mention the virgin thing. I would
have thought she was the shower of Jesus freak two
point oh. But we watched how it all went. We
watched how it all went down on camera. The webbers
didn't but ha ha, the webbers are manipulative a f
and Peter low Key told viewers how barbed crying method

(02:21:47):
is a common occurrence, so you know, you know, I'm
on your team on that one. So there we go.
Thank you Shabrina Z for emailing us. Um. Let's see
this is from uh Jordan's guests Art high art and
I love of your podcast. Will you accept this? Roses
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but we actually have a surprise coming up for you
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(02:22:33):
meaningful to me about this podcast is getting to know
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We actually did a bunch of special episodes with a
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so thank you and feedback Hello from a little buddy.
Thank you for being the podcast I look forward to
each week for giving real commentary on the fanasco that
is The Bachelor. You all make me feel better about
myself as I got horrified look some friends and acquaintances

(02:24:00):
when I mentioned that I like The Bachelor, which prompts
me defend myself with this with my dissertation The Bachelor
Misogyny and Racism and Pop Culture. I also watched this
ship and your break down is hilarious. Well, thank you.
If one pretty major critique of leaves at this rose,
do y'all not have any black or Latin X friends,
fellow comedians, actors, et cetera. I get that comedy is

(02:24:22):
not a space that historically has been very welcoming to
people of color, but I'd like to think that you
all would like diverse viewpoints. It may sound silly, but
you guys do have a platform to share varying perspectives,
and I think that you can do a lot of
good for Bachelor Nation. It can't all be on the
shoulders of Rachel Lindsay and the Two Black Girls One
Rose Podcast. I've been listening to you guys for years
and I have since that you're afraid to even talk

(02:24:43):
about race, maybe for for sphere of saying the wrong thing.
I get that, but that's not good enough. Let yourself
sunk up and then apologize if you need to invite
more people of color into your podcast to share their
wit and insights. You don't even have to apologize for
being the whitest podcast, as I ever call one listener
w but I do think you have a responsibility to
actively work towards changing that. I hope this is helpful feedback. Sincerely,

(02:25:03):
love you guys, Abbe Well, thank you for your email, Abbey.
We always are welcome to more point of views. I
think it makes a better podcast. We've had a hard
time find we've invited people on a lot of people.
It's just as to the Niche podcast, we don't know
that many people that watch it, and and it's certainly
been something that we've been aware of. Certainly it's and

(02:25:24):
please email and suggestions the people that you would like
us to have on that you know, watch the Bachelor
because we would love that, but we do. I want
to give Anna the platform here, and I think we
all feel the same way that Anna Fields. Yeah, so
I found this email very dismissive of me, as if
I'm not on this show every episode I am a

(02:25:44):
woman of color. She has an entire podcast about it.
I have a podcast where I say, you know, if
you love Middle Eastern politics in the Bachelor, listen to
my show Ethnically Ambiguous, which is all about growing up
as a child of immigrants, a person of color in
this country. And something I run into a lot is
people dismiss me as just white because I have like
a fairer skin tone, because I guess all brown people

(02:26:07):
have to be literally brown or you are not your
Your whole experience in life is dismissed very easily. And
I deal with this all the time, where people go,
what's she's so upset about? She's white? As if I
I don't see or hear the same thing someone who
who has maybe a darker skin tone than me does.
And that's very frustrating to me because it's basically a

(02:26:29):
racer of my entire experience growing up with two Iranian
American parents who immigrated to this country, and I don't
know what you maybe you don't hear me talk. Who knows,
But I literally give my perspective of, oh, my parents
are in an agreement marriage, so I don't really see
love marriages very often. I discussed that on the show.
I've also talked about how my dad would be. Basically,

(02:26:51):
if you brought him to a hometown or a hometown
with him in it, he wouldn't care about any of
the love. He'd just be like, well, does he make
money and doesn't have health insurance. That's an experience with
immigrant parents who aren't here to be like, well, are
you truly madly in love? No, my dad would be like,
well does he check the boxes as someone who can
support you and provide for a family. That's a different
perspective than a lot of people, and I think to

(02:27:13):
dismiss that and to not see me as someone who
doesn't come from your everyday, typical American family is pretty hurtful.
So I agree our show we do have a lot
of people who are white on it, but we do
look for other folks we try to get. We have
people we've tried to get and then like, please just
watch the show because we enjoy you so much, we
want you to come on the show. But another thing

(02:27:35):
is a lot of people of color and I hate
to generalize, but we don't. And I am not one
of these people because I truly love reality TV, But
a lot of people of color don't watch reality TV
because quote unquote it's like white people problems, so they don't.
It's hard to find certain folk who are interested in
this show. And it is something my world where a

(02:27:57):
lot of my reality TV watching friends are are white,
because that's just who's drawn to that format of television. Also,
I feel like we, you know, people, we acknowledge people
on the show also have acknowledged that women of color
or men of color don't go far on this show.
And we we talked about it quite openly, like, oh, unfortunately,

(02:28:17):
you know how it is, you know, they they and
and we didn't mention this on the last show, but
I actually felt uncomfortable that they brought Rachel Lindsay out
to make her shoulder the whole racism bullying thing on
the Women Tell All when it it's and of course
they didn't even say race on the show, but every
aspect of the bullying that they read out was about

(02:28:39):
people's race, and and I think it shouldn't be all
on Rachel lindsay, like more people should be able to
discuss that openly and the Bachelor and beschelright, the whole
series should be more open about that. But again, you
have to acknowledge this is ABC. ABC is owned by Disney.
They will never acknowledge that. And so we live in

(02:28:59):
this sis um and we comment on it, but there's
only so much we can do so to keep being like,
can you believe that they won't let a person of
color go as far? Can you believe they'll never have
a black Bachelor? Because even the black bachelotte they got,
they found to be the most presentable one. Like, it's
racism at its core. It's systematic, and it's built to

(02:29:19):
hold people of color down. So we can't, you know,
you know, like just move anywhere. I would say too,
and just to just to wrap up because this has
already been a seven hour episode. But like I do think,
you know, we've very much tried to be a very
open podcast. We've had like like a lot there's a

(02:29:39):
lot of gay unless like different points if there's a
lot of lgbt Q and that are our regular podcasters
are like, we it's not just straight white ladies. We've
That's partially why we've often even brought in street dudes
like because oftentimes those aren't the guys that watch it like.
So so we do try to, to the best of
our ability, have different points of view. But um, there

(02:30:00):
you go. All right, moving on, So now Twitter the week,
here we go. Um, there's so many. There were so
many because there was so many nights of this, so
I think I've narrowed it down to eight. There was
about a hundred tweets, so maybe two three tweets. Um, okay,
here we go. And this is from Batch Lawyerrette at
batche Lawyarette. Peter's whole family's horror at the thought of

(02:30:24):
him being celibate is even weirder when you remember that
he lives at home. Um um number two um. If
this is from Ryan Paulson at Paulson Photo. If I
were Peter right now, I'd be chasing after that suv
to make sure I hadn't spent the day with Maddie's

(02:30:45):
evil identical instat fan club twin. That was from two
nights ago. Guys, it would have been funny on Monday.
There we go, um Batch Lawyarette at Bachelorette. I just
want someone to be obsessed with me the way Barb
is obsessed with her son's love. Beeto okay um um
Cheyenne Constant at Trixie Firecracker Maddie. Peter just wants to

(02:31:08):
know if you love him as much as you love
your lengthening mess Gara. Um Jessy Lizzie at Jessy Lizzie
raps Peter, you just have to meet me halfway narrator.
Little did she know halfway was anal um um. And

(02:31:30):
then we have two more um Casey at Joy Underscore
Division Peter's mom crying like he just came back from
a three day tour, only for his dad to say,
it's been what a week now? But um this was
also from Casey at Joy Underscore Division. You could play

(02:31:50):
Barber's reaction to Peter's engagement to Hannah and in a
publisher's clearinghouse commercial and it would have made more sinse
than what really happened. Um Uh. We have Sid at
sid Mojoe. I just need someone to love me the
way Barba loves Hannah Ann blindly, unconditionally and with an
inappropriate level of intensity. Okay, here we go. Final one,

(02:32:13):
Shyenne Constant at Trixie Firecracker. There is still one more
hour of this. I never thought I would long for
Crystalline Goose in a hot tub in the ABC parking lot,
or the cast of Blockers to come on to pretend
they watched the show and promote their movie and lengthening mascara. Um, okay,

(02:32:34):
let's see all right, here we go Shyenne Constant at
Trixie Firecracker. Mattie Peter just wants to know if you
love him as much as you love lengthening mascara or also,
I think Shyanne Constant I think she did both at
Trixie Firecracker. There is still one more hour of this.
I never thought I would long for Crystaline Goose in
a hot tub in the ABC parking lot, or the
cast of Blockers coming on to pretend they watched the

(02:32:55):
show and promote their movie linthening mascara or cock Blockers
lengthenings mess your length, Blockers, Blockers, I mean we already
have She's okay, s Conston, you wanted with the Blockers
one more hour with us? Ever that I would love
for Crystal and Who's a Hot Tub? ABC Park. A

(02:33:16):
lot of cast blockers come out and watched some promote
the movie. Guys, What a journey? What a journey? Where
can everybody find you? Yesterday? I can't, but where did
every where? Can people find you? I'm at Jerry Trayner
on Instagram and Twitter. Great, and can I just say yes,
thank you for having me. I truly feel honored to
be here. And you know, you've been so wonderful. We've

(02:33:38):
loved having you. You're such a great addition and I
can't wait for you to do Bachelorette. Apparently they've already
released Claire's Claire's Guys, so you won't be going to
the mansion this month, but we will be filming you.
We love having you here and we love all the
friendships that have happened. Brendan Brando Cast Brando cast dot
com with links to all the platforms that you want

(02:33:59):
to listen to podcast on. We got episodes with Jerry Trainer,
our Marine Paget Brewster, Rob Benedicts, so many other people.
So many of the people check us out. We will
have a podcast next week just saying that, um okay, sorry,
I just want to say, uh LORI texted that Summer
Games is now canceled to coronavirus. Okay, Batchelor, Summer Games

(02:34:20):
hopefully not, hopefully not Paradise. That's all we really care about.
Rob Instagram at r O Benedict Okay Paget Paget Oh
at the at Paget Paget on Twitter, at Paget Paget
Graham on Instagram. And I will be self quarantining. Are
you going to? I think I'm going to starting when well,

(02:34:42):
there's nothing to audition for, so fuck it. I'm just
gonna stay home for as we've been podcasting, they've been
canceling things left and like what madness. Yeah, well they
said no, no fans in marsh madness, No fans at
basketball game got canceled, guys. Podcast people are gonna be
listening to a lot of podcasts. Yeah, I hope not.

(02:35:06):
You guys on the FaceTime Yeah. Um and then uh oh,
I'm at Arta Marine A R D E N M
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Especially right now you could hang out at home while
you quarantine with a nice, very animal, foster a dog

(02:35:28):
for a couple of weeks, and wash your hands and
don't touch your face, even though it's the hardest thing
in the world. It's so hard. We all touch your
face like at least like five times every minute, which
over ninety times a day on average. Oh no, it's like,
well over like a thousand thousand. I might self quarantine too.
I have to do a d R for something which

(02:35:48):
I'm not excited about. But all right, you guys, stay
healthy out there, stay safe, take care of yourself, wash
your hands. We love you, and we will allegedly be
here next week. Bye. Oh yeah, he's gonna get all
up and getting it feels so good. I just got

(02:36:11):
one of the questions to hear. When you read some
of this role, you reap this role into your word.
Sho rose into your word? Will you accept this? Rose?

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