March 28, 2025 • 61 mins
Hey there, nerds! In this episode of Scene N Nerd, before talking about Daredevil: Born Again, our dynamic duo, wraps up Women's History Month with a shoutout to the amazing Milicent Patrick, the special effects wizard who brought the Gill Man to life in "Creature from the Black Lagoon." From Disney animator to Hollywood legend, her story is one for the ages! (0:00)
Next up, we've got some juicy news about Netflix's upcoming live-action "Scooby Doo" series, courtesy of Greg Berlanti! Get ready for a fresh take on Shaggy and Daphne's and the gang's origin story that’s bound to be a howling good time! (3:34)
And if you’re a Star Wars fan, you won’t want to miss our breakdown of the latest "Andor" trailer. We’re diving into its ties to "Rogue One" and the stunning visuals that have everyone buzzing. Plus, we’ll share some of the funniest memes floating around the galaxy! (5:15)
Switching gears, Sarah and Will are dissecting the recent Marvel Studios call sheet for "Avengers Doomsday." Who's coming back from the Fox X-Men franchise? Will there be a surprise cameo? You’ll have to tune in to find out! (7:38)
Our main topic tonight is the latest episodes of "Daredevil: Born Again," digging into the character arcs of Matt Murdock and Wilson Fisk. With high-stakes action and emotional depth, these episodes are setting the stage for an epic showdown! (20:45)
Finally, they close out the podcast with their thoughts on episodes 3 and 4 of "Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man." (47:45)
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>> Will (00:00):
Foreign.
>> Sarah (00:08):
This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host Sarah Belmont, and with me as
always, is our Mr. Producer, Will Paul. How are you doing tonight,
Will?
>> Will (00:14):
Doing very well, sir. How you doing this Thursday evening?
>> Sarah (00:17):
I'm doing fine. It's the last
recording of March.
>> Will (00:21):
I know, I know. This month is like zip
by. Yeah.
>> Sarah (00:27):
Towards the end there. Gotta get a bit sluggish. But
yeah, we're. We're pulling through. Yeah.
Technically, Technically it won't be over until
next week.
>> Will (00:39):
Yeah. But it is our last recording for March.
>> Sarah (00:42):
Yeah, it is, it is. and that
also means it's the last Women's History Month
Spotlight.
>> Will (00:50):
Yeah. Yeah. So for. For this week's Women's
History Month Month Spotlight, I was
going to share,
a person who was the first
female special effects
and makeup artist. And
interesting enough, it's a film that probably a
(01:10):
lot of people are familiar with. It's the person,
who actually created the Gill Monster from the
Creature from the Black Lagoon and the
arc. Yeah. Makeup artist is.
Her name is
Millicent
Patrick and she was credited
for. First she started out as a animator
(01:32):
at Disney and then she moved over to
Universal Studios. but also as I know that
she did was the artist who created the
famous creature, from the Black Lagoon. You can put a little photo
up for folks who are watching us on YouTube. You can
see the The. The. The mold
that for. For that. And interesting enough, she
(01:52):
was not initially credited with With
the design for that. It was actually a gentleman by the name of
Bud Westmore. And the name Westmore is probably very
familiar for folks who are. Who are used to makeup
and. And effects the famous Westmore
family, who has been in Hollywood for. For many,
many years. Many people from Star Trek will probably recognize the name
Micha. he was Bud
(02:14):
Westmore's nephew and
her Her credit for the Gill
Monster from Gillman, from Creature from the Black
Lagoon, was not
added until. Until very recently. and.
But she was definitely given credit for that.
But she's also, you know, she's also. She was also an
actress, done some other very famous
(02:37):
movies as well. Like It Came From Outer Space, a lot of those
b. Mov stuff from the 50s and 60s, where
she was special effects and makeup artist on those.
On those films. But But yeah, just wanted
to spotlight this. She was also one of the first
female animators at Disney, studios as well.
So she has quite a bit of history, with you
(02:57):
know, in the special effects and visual effects
and makeup realm. But wanted to
profile her as our, our last profile
for Women's History Month.
>> Sarah (03:08):
Very nice, Very nice.
the other thing you wanted to mention that you also I
believe tweeted about today was that
Netflix will be coming out with a Scooby Doo
live action series.
>> Will (03:22):
Yeah. Yeah. So Netflix, will be created.
A Scooby Doo live action Netflix series is actually from
Greg Berlanti who for many folks are. Who are
familiar with the Arrowverse. He was the
producer for that
you know the, the DC run on, on the
cw. But yeah, this this is going to be an
origin story for the Mystery Incorporated.
(03:44):
The, the gang, that everybody knows and loves.
But the story is that Shaggy
and Daphne meet in a summer camp, as.
As teenagers. And and of course throughout the
course of this eight episode Netflix
series, they of course meet up with
the rest of the rest of the gang. So you know,
obviously S***, you know, Fred Velma and of course
(04:07):
Scooby. So this is, this series has been
green lit. I think. It was announced sometime back. But Netflix
just confirmed it again this week that it will be going into
production. No one's been cast yet, but
it's, you know, there has been of course there were two live action
Scooby Doo films I think with Freddie Prinz and
some other folks back in the day. And I think James Gunn may
(04:27):
have written one of them if I recall. Or maybe I'm thinking about another
movie. But but yeah, but that the, the
Netflix Scooby Doo series, live action Scooby Doo series
is coming on Netflix in the near future.
>> Sarah (04:40):
so the next piece of news to
go over to Disney is that
and. Or released a poster and a trailer. I
think seen the poster. I think I
didn't like look at it too hard.
but no, I have not seen the trailer.
>> Will (04:58):
Okay, well, I know you
haven't seen the trailer but you know we you
know it's. We do have a new trailer that did
drop this week. here's just some scenes with this
just so for Sarah can see it but not hear it. So it won't
spoil anything for her. But yeah, the new trailer
did drop, for the series. Getting some great images of
(05:18):
like, like all the principal characters, within The
Rebellion. of course the cool sound effects in the background
was like the, the claxon alarms from the Star Destroyers.
You know we see Luthan, the shots from all
throughout the, the, the Rebellion and the
the great special effects. And of course
Ben Mendelson also returns as a
Krennic, which And also
(05:41):
you know we see kcso. So of course, you know again just
showing the Death Star of course is
going to be a, you know, very prominent in this because as we
all know, if you've seen Spoiler alert. If you haven't seen Rogue
One, we, you know that, that does lead up to the,
to the story, that We you know we do, you
know we do get andor is leading.
>> Sarah (06:01):
Up to Rogue One. That's what you're trying to say.
>> Will (06:04):
Yeah, yeah, we get, yeah we get it right up to the moment right before
the movie Rogue One and all the events that happened there.
>> Sarah (06:09):
So yeah, just like how Rogue One leads up
to the events of the first Star wars
movie. So.
>> Will (06:15):
Yeah, yeah. But in addition to, in addition to
the trailer there was a lot of fun, you know, just to go to
some of the real world events with you know, signal. There were a lot of
cool memes that were like going around this
week as far as you know, joke with
the people getting added to you know,
high level sensitive or classified briefings in the group
chats. So a lot of folks are having
(06:38):
fun with the, with the memes this week from, from Star wars
and stuff. So I just wanted to just throw one up there too just for the h*** of
it because it was pretty. They've been some pretty, pretty
epic ones. Not, not trying to get political or anything but just
funny things that you see on the Internet.
>> Sarah (06:54):
And then the other big thing that came
out of Disney was MAR or Marvel
Studios and or is
they rolled out the call sheet for
Avengers Doomsday. were there any
surprises, Will?
>> Will (07:11):
so yeah, so I think it was
several. I don't know if there was any, I would say surprises.
I mean it, you know it was
27. It was like a five hour
long, drop. Yeah,
yeah.
>> Sarah (07:26):
Every 12 minutes they released another
job.
>> Will (07:29):
Yeah. So it's like 275 million
views of this stream. This could have been an email
but, or press release. But obviously you
know the, the film has started going into
production. So I guess I think Disney was probably
smart to you know, just to go ahead and just roll
everybody out and of course, the, you know,
because to avoid any, like, spoilers from
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set photos, there was as a noted.
As far as any surprises. No, I
mean, they did pull back, several
folks from the Fox X Men,
franchise film. So as far as, you know,
Patrick Stewart is returning again as Professor
x. Ian, McKellar has to go back as Bonito.
We, do see Gambit, who was, of course, was in Deadpool and
(08:14):
Wolverine, Mystique is also going to be
in it. James Morrison is going to return as, Cyclops.
So. Well, so we do finally get the introduction of the X
Men into. Again. Well, we got them with Deadpool and
Wolverine, but, you know, we're getting deeper. More X Men showing up
in the mcu. and,
So, yeah, so I guess something's got. I can't
(08:34):
see them going forward with these characters. Also, Beast, you know,
we saw him at the end of, the Marvels, and of course he's all. Kelsey
Grammer is also back as Beast. but
we, finally do get Sean Lou back as far as,
>> Sarah (08:46):
So. So if there weren't any
surprises, we're. Do you
really think that this is
it?
>> Will (08:54):
No, because.
>> Sarah (08:55):
Right.
>> Will (08:56):
Yeah. Yeah, because Robert Downey. Yeah. So Robert Downey Jr.
Actually did like, after, of course, he was at the end of this
five hour. Yeah. Fasting call, and then he
did like, drop on Instagram. It's like that's what. That's what you call
a deep bench of talent. Actually, it's more like a row, but an extra
long one. That must be it, right? And then Marvel
Studios, like, you know, responds back to him. There's always
(09:17):
room for more because a lot of things are like.
>> Sarah (09:19):
Yeah, because there's a. There's a lot of
characters, who, are not,
don't have a chair and worlds.
And also the. The X Men stuff
for me, I mean,
we can only play in that universe
in that sandbox so many times.
(09:41):
And I think what a lot of us, or
personally I want is I want to see the new
X Men. Like, I want. I want the new
guys. So. So
I, I foresee them just being on
in their world and then that world getting wiped
out.
>> Will (09:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I completely
see that. I know some. Yeah. And I know folks were also,
say, made the point that. Well, you know, looks
like. Speaking of, you know, with the, with the thunderbolts and
that's coming out, pretty much everyone from that
film looks like they're going to survive. So I know some
People are like, well, you know, that maybe lower
(10:20):
the stakes for, for the film, but oh.
>> Sarah (10:22):
My God, like, if you
think going into that movie
that someone is going to die, like,
really? I don't. I don't understand. That's not
the point of that movie. And that that movie
is not gonna set up stakes for,
For Doomsday. Okay, if you can,
(10:43):
here. Here's the thing. So, so let
me think about this with your logic. Fantastic.
Four is also lowering the stakes
of Doomsday too. Right? Right.
>> Will (10:56):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (10:56):
Oh, so that's, that's just. I
understand it. And personally, as
someone who always calls out when they lower stakes,
I. I can appreciate it to an extent, but
it's just like ever since they
released the plan and you knew it was going to be
like Fantastic Four was going to be released before
(11:17):
doomsday, and. Oh, yeah, not only Doomsday, they're putting
the word Avengers. You can pretty
much guarantee every character
introduced up until then is going
to be seen in that next movie. Like,
they're bringing back Robert Downing
Jr. Talk about lowering
(11:37):
stakes in this universe.
Whatever. I digress.
>> Will (11:42):
Yeah, yeah, it's. I heard that. I
was just like, yeah, okay. But, you know, I think another thing too
is like, you know, people are like, what about Tom Holland? And you
know, I think that was more
the discussions, like, who wasn't,
like, listed, right in the, in the,
rollout yesterday.
>> Sarah (12:01):
Like, you have, you have the, you,
you have the OGs. So you
have your. Chris Evans wasn't there, which
we didn't expect. But also,
like. And the whole thing. Like, the last time we saw
him, he was technically in a, MCU
movie, but he was not playing Captain
America. So. So you have that
(12:23):
Tom Holland. To your point, you have,
you also have, talk about a character.
We're going to talk about him in a. In just a few
minutes. You, have Ms.
Marvel. You have the
Marvels.
>> Will (12:37):
Yeah. Yeah. No Brie Larson. Yeah. No Benedict
Cumberbatch. I mean, as far as. You know, and.
Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, so we do have some OG folks
like, obviously, you know, Chris Hemsworth is
back.
>> Sarah (12:50):
but at the same. Yeah, at the same
time I always
saw, like. Because
secret. Secret wars is coming after
Doomsday.
>> Will (13:03):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (13:04):
So to me, Doomsday
is like just the pre. Game.
>> Will (13:10):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (13:11):
Because with the Russo brothers
being on board with Secret
wars, like, I think that's really
where we're gonna get
like, like Doomsdays the appetizer,
and then the Secret wars will be the main, main
Steak, like main. Main meal.
I can't talk tonight. I have no idea what's going on with
(13:33):
me, but I
just. Everyone just needs to calm down.
>> Will (13:39):
Yep.
>> Sarah (13:40):
And. And all we got were a bunch of
chairs and rdj. Okay.
>> Will (13:45):
Yeah. Yep. Bunch of chairs.
Rdj. Else. Yeah. I mean, you know,
Harp, you know, shout out to the hardcore true
believers who sat through the full five hours. I mean, I did see
a little bit of it whenever. When I saw. When it first
started dropping yesterday, but I was like, there's no
way, I'm gonna keep up with all this. I gotta
(14:05):
work, right?
>> Sarah (14:07):
And I think. I think that I did
not watch any of it, but I
do not. I. I really think
that this was a smart move by Feige, and
here's why. It's. Because it
started. It was. It brought back
a little bit of the magic. Pre Covid.
(14:27):
Yeah, because there was. There was excitement,
there was anticipation, and there was this
magic that Feige.
Feige led in how he announced
these projects so
to. To take some losses in the
last few years and to brush
off and, and push all your money back
(14:49):
onto our DJ
back on RG Day.
Like. Like to. To open it
up like this and to. To get
that anticipation. And you already mentioned the number
of views. Like,
I think it served its purpose
(15:09):
and I can appreciate the.
At least the little
bit of excitement that is
starting despite some of the
negativity that's also a result of a cast
being announced.
>> Will (15:24):
Yeah, yeah, I completely agree with you think it. It, it
definitely. It did have that old school
ComicCon, you know,
event watch where, you know,
you see the things drop and you get the announcements. I
completely agree with you. It did. It. It did feel like old
school MCU days back, you know, phase one, two
and three, you know, vibe, for. For sure. And I think that's, you know,
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obviously that's what they need because, you know,
Captain America, Brave New World was, you know, was
a mixed bag as far as, you know, critically
and with, I mean, I think, you know, as we're. As
we're. As you noted, we're going to be talking about, Daredevil and
some, you know, cameos of, Ms. Marvel.
>> Sarah (16:05):
Like, why, why. Why hide it?
>> Will (16:07):
We.
>> Sarah (16:07):
Everybody knows.
>> Will (16:08):
No, no, I know. Yeah, I know, I know. But, Yeah, but,
yeah, but, you know, my point being that, you
know, this. This was like a good
way to get the excitement back. Also, given that the film
has started production, as I noted before, it
also avoids any. Any spoilers as far
as, you know, set photos and that kind of stuff. So they were able to
(16:29):
take control of the narrative.
>> Sarah (16:31):
Well, not really, considering what
I said a few minutes ago and what you also said, that
RDJ even confirmed, like, this isn't the full list.
No, no, but my point is, we got Toby Maguire.
M. Hiding out somewhere in a
caravan.
>> Will (16:49):
Yeah. I mean, no, but I think even. Even when they do the next round
of announcements, they're gonna do it like they did. Like they did
yesterday.
>> Sarah (16:56):
Oh. Oh, I see. I don't. I don't see them going
back. Back to this. That would
be, I. I don't. I dare say
a misstep, but that would be weird to me.
Yeah. You do this once.
>> Will (17:10):
Well, maybe not the chairs, but I do. You know, but there. There
may be some type of, like, you know,
planned rollout of. Of the
next round of people who are going to.
>> Sarah (17:21):
I think. I don't. I
don't think you need to. You.
You. You can't. You can't give it all away.
Like, you really. So I, I
just. I hope they're keeping some secrets, because
I don't. I don't want to know. I don't want to know some
things going into Doomsday. But what I want
(17:41):
to say before we move on is just
that, like, I think at the end
of the day, we have to remember because, yeah, we
got. We got Captain America earlier this year. We
got Thunderbolts next month
or in May, and then we got Fantastic
Four. Like, this is an Avengers movie,
(18:01):
though. So I think that's also why
they. They. They're making a big deal. Just
the fact that it's in production. It's like the
Avengers are coming
back, and that's a big deal.
So it's not just that this is Doomsday
movie. It's the Avengers
Doomsday. So. So I think
(18:23):
that's also why it's getting this
extra, extra
rollout and why Tom Holland
wasn't announced, because we all know he spoils
everything that happens in Avengers movies. So he has
not even seen the script.
>> Will (18:39):
Yeah, yeah, there's that.
>> Sarah (18:42):
Plus, he doesn' know he's gonna be in it either.
They're just gonna surprise him one day.
>> Will (18:47):
Well, that's just it, too. I mean. Yeah, I mean, that's the other piece, too, is
like some people, like Chris Pratt and other folk, you know, people are
working on other projects. And, you know, as far as Tom Holland, you
know, I think the way. I think The
Spider Man 4 may be in between These
films anyway, so, you know, they may be holding a lot, some
of these characters back for. For secret.
>> Sarah (19:08):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. You're not going to get
everyone in Doomsday.
>> Will (19:13):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (19:14):
but you're also. We're not also not going to spend two and
a half hours with Patrick Stewart. I love you, Patrick Stewart, but
we're just not going to do that.
>> Will (19:22):
Exactly.
>> Sarah (19:24):
So, well, in the near future,
we will definitely continue to do more of a deep
dive into Doomsday and what it all means.
but before that, we have two,
not one, but two episodes of Daredevil. Born
Again. Starting things off with episode
five with interest, A day in the life of Matt
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Murdock gets intense, forcing him to team up with a
familiar face, AKA Kamala's
dad. Kamala's dad is in the
bank.
Will, what did you think about this episode?
>> Will (20:00):
You know what? I actually really like this episode.
I really did. it
was, You know, it was true. It was a true
bottle episode in a sense that, you know, it,
it, was. We take a little break
from, you know, we, you know, Matt's. It's a Day in the life of
Matt. And, And I,
I, I really liked that.
(20:24):
it was also,
I will say the. The scenes with
Kamala's dad, at first, they did
over. That was probably for me, I enjoyed
them, but they were not my most
favorite part of the episode. At least the beginning scenes now the scenes when they
were later in the vault and stuff. And, and, and
(20:46):
with that, I like those better. but, but
overall, I, I really, really enjoyed this episode. And
it was also, I think one of the. I think the only episode that didn't
get, like, retooled in the creative overhaul that they did,
with with the series to see.
>> Sarah (21:01):
That makes sense because I was. I
was thinking about it leading up, to getting on this recording
with you, and I was like, I would
argue, not just this episode,
but both of these episodes,
out of all that we've so far seen this season, are the
most Disney plus defied.
(21:22):
and, and now, now, do not
take that as a complete criticism.
Okay, everyone hold your horses.
I, I did enjoy this episode and I
enjoyed the next episode as well.
I'm just saying that I believe because of the
cameos, because of the name drops,
and because of the
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lack of our more violent characters, specifically
in episode five, it.
It felt very much m. More
like between the, the
comedy and some of the
action and also just the, the whole
structure of episode five, it's very
Much. They,
(22:07):
it makes sense to me when you said
like this is the least re
reworking they had to do out of all
episodes, that they had shot.
So I, I, I, I don't
think it's awful in any way. I, like I
said I was engaged full time. It was a nice
breather.
(22:29):
I, I, I didn't mind
anything. granted the whole time I was
just like, okay,
so, so how does this work with episode six?
I was like in the back of my mind I'm just thinking about
this because that's, that leading up to now everyone
was, we were kind of talking like why
(22:50):
episode 5 and 6 are being released at the same
time. Like that gives the impression, oh, part
one, part two. But that that was not the case.
And that led
me into another thing that
I, or another takeaway I had
about why
these two episodes, having them back to
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back worked, albeit
did to an extent feel a bit out of place
simultaneously. Like, it's weird.
I, I wouldn't say it was like they were trying
to, it didn't go too far off
course, but at the same time there
were some beats where I'm just like, okay,
(23:32):
this feels like just out of
place. and I think
that though what I came
to is that these two
episodes really built the
world. It was
more world building. I mean, and that's
(23:53):
crazy to say because the episode we're
talking about right now with interest is
a one off where we just follow A Day in the Life
of Matt. Now granted, saying A day in life
is a bit of a stretch because it's, it kind of implies
every day he goes into a blanket bank and it gets
robbed.
>> Will (24:16):
I just need to get, you know, alone and you know,
having this conversation about he's over leveraged and. Yeah,
and Right, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (24:24):
But that's not that, it's just, it's funny to
me like, like every day he manages
to find himself in a circumstance but that
which leads to him trying to save somebody. Which
kind of for a superhero,
episodically, that is
the, the structure of
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this storytelling. Like A day in the
life of a hero is always trying to save
someone, someone, ah. At the end of the day.
And but I think that they did
the smart thing and tie
it into Fisk and what we
saw Vanessa do. And, and you
(25:04):
get that reveal because, because, and I like how they kind of
withheld that because if you were getting a little
bored, like we're spending too much time here, it's like,
okay, who's the boss? Who's boss. Who's the boss.
And. And it was. And it's also nice that it
wasn't like it was Vanessa. No,
it was one of the lower level mob
(25:24):
bosses. But there were
implications. So I can appreciate that
we also met more of the police force who we
later see in the next episode. We. And.
And also one of the characters.
This was kind of a stretch. One of the other
people who just so happened to be in the bank in that day
(25:44):
also works for the sanitation department. And
the next episode they discover that
somebody's been painting using blood
to paint murals. So political
murals.
But still, despite all
that, I do feel
like together
(26:07):
these two episodes built a world. And there's no
way in h*** they could
have released episode five and
let. Let us go one week without episode
six.
>> Will (26:20):
Yes, that was, that was my other big takeaway
from. From the two. I completely agree with you that these episodes
in a way, even though five is in.
In a sense of like in. In the streaming
serialized world that we're in now where every
story seems to be, you know, serial
storytelling. This was all, you know, it did throw back to the old
(26:40):
days of like the bottle episode. But this one
really did in some respects.
But you're right, they did complement one another
because I, I had the exact, exact same fall Tuesday night after
I watched episode. I was like, yeah, they made the right call Aaron, these two back
to back. Because it would have been
hard for you know,
(27:01):
to. To all the points that you. That how you did with all the various
tie ins. You're right. I mean
it was nice that they you know, did
have him back to back. And the other thing too, I thought that
with. With Matt, in particular, when
he did
in some respects for me the
(27:21):
decision for him to like go back to being
you know, to just really go
back to. To being Daredevil or.
Or embracing the.
The mask so to speak, was this
episode was episode five. Because
you know, while it was. It was cool in one, it was cool in
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two respects. One, we got to see Matt just like, you know,
it's just plain clothes Matt not
worried, you know, trying to
do. Do the superhero thing with. Without,
you know, it's like without the mask, without the costume,
without the armor and he's, you know, and he. Throughout
the episode he was doing things like, you know, you
(28:03):
know, like I said I gotta use the bathroom. So it can start to separate
the, the people apart. And. And then
you know, of course we see the fight in the stairwell and, and,
and then later in front of the vault.
So he was doing, you know, so he was really, you know, we've, we've
been, we've been leading up to this point all throughout
the series as far as him,
(28:24):
you know, trying to, you know,
let the police handle this and, and, you know, let the, let the
system handle things. I don't need to be a vigilante.
But then when push came to shove,
he, he did go back to being, you know,
the vigilante. And then, you know, whenever he's like, hunting
down the devil and the, the, you know, the
lead, you, know, he takes the, the ski masks so
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he can, you know, protect his
identity identity and, and does take matters into
his own hands. So, you know, which, you know, I
know you said it was very Disney plusified, but I mean, the
bone crush whenever he, broke the dude's leg was
pretty, that was, yeah, that was, that
was leaning into the violence that, you know, that we,
that people were expecting.
>> Sarah (29:09):
Yeah, I, I, I, I was, I
said, I believe my statement was it's the most
like, out of all of the episodes. Like,
I'm not saying that it doesn't have its
moments that bleed true to the show that we've
been watching. I don't,
I don't know if I can 100 agree with what
(29:30):
you just said. I,
because, and, and I kind of just lost,
lost my my thought process there for a moment.
M. But, I
found it interesting that in, in this
episode,
for some reason I really like the point about
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him being Irish and an orphan
and, and a character straight out of Charles
Dickens, because
this, in this series,
Born Again. In the Born Again series, we have not spent a
lot of time like, fleshing out
the background of Matt Murdock because
(30:11):
we have three previous seasons of Daredevil
to do so. But I,
I just, I, I felt like it was, it
was interesting to bring that up and then have the
robbers also to be Irish and to
have it be on Saint Page Patrick's
Day. And I felt like, and maybe this
(30:31):
is what you were, what you were getting at is
like, majority of this episode he is,
he's still the mat who we've seen
since Foggy's death and
still like, yes, doing,
using some tricks, but not, not a
hundred percent, out of the realm
of when we saw him beat,
(30:54):
up those two cops, because
they were trying to tamper with the, the
Witness Witness tampering was going on.
But it was really.
When it's interesting though, when you
have the ending moment of
the. Like we already know.
He, he, he. It's not like they
(31:16):
took the, the diamond. They.
He. This guy is getting away, but I
mean he, at the end of the day is going to
get away and probably going to get killed by his boss because
he, his whole thing failed.
So, so he's already a loser. But Matt
decides to not be
vigilante, in my opinion. And
(31:39):
maybe this is. Goes more into like why he
needs to not be a vigilante. It's
because he decides like he needs to run
this guy down and
then break his leg and do all of this stuff
to him, and put on a mask
just because he's angry. You know,
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it's more of a vengeance. It's like you put these people
at risk the guy. And, and also keep in mind.
So this villain
did not murder anyone in the bank.
No, they, they they, they
held, they threatened, but they actually
never pulled the trigger on anyone. Everyone made it
(32:19):
out alive that day. So.
And, and the diamond, at the end of the day,
Matt took and left it at the bank.
So. So nothing was stolen
either. So. So it's
interesting,
like if
you really analyze that
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trajectory, I feel like
this episode then serves more
as an examination of how.
Of that. Of that nature that
Fisk has always been talking about.
Like you have these abilities,
but. And you think
(33:01):
like, you think you're, you're getting
justice, but really all it is is vengeance.
M. And then to that point, if
that's true, then what
really was he trying to get vengeance
for? The guy didn't. At the end of the day, the guy didn't
really do anything. He may have hit mat few times,
(33:21):
but come on.
>> Will (33:23):
Well, I mean, he did. I mean, he
did. I mean they got. There's a bit much to say. He didn't do
anything. I mean he did rob. He did attempt to rob a bank,
so.
>> Sarah (33:32):
Attempt to rob a Break. Attempted.
>> Will (33:34):
Yeah, well, a crime was committed. I mean,
Matt said, you know, so
sometimes it doesn't have to be like, you know,
you know, you know, the muse level of violence
that that, that a superhero has to take
out. I mean it, it can be, you
know, and I guess for me it's just more.
(33:55):
For me it just episode five,
like when Matt does finally decide to don
the costume to take down Muse in episode
six, I. I feel like
the, the, the glad path what you did.
To your point, you know, when we saw whenever he beat
up the cops earlier in the season and you know, and other.
And other element, you know, that he,
(34:17):
he was really trying to, like
he felt something.
You know, Phil, you know, felt terrible about it or whatever. You
know, he felt, you know, he's like, no, I'm trying to do. I'm trying to
break away from this world of taking
things into my own hands and, and even,
you know, so, so like at the end of this
(34:38):
episode when he does stop debling. I mean, it
feels like the, the, the, the,
you know, it is like, you know, when you just, you know,
when you compare it with. With Fisk and you know, we've seen
those glimpse. You know, we've. We've seen them both like
dip their toes back into their true
natures in different ways. And so this one was
(34:59):
like the, this was like the Matt's
like at that line now where,
you know, all. It was just then once
with the events in episode six
just completely takes him over the line and he's just like, okay, I got.
He's he's suiting up and he's gonna. Right, go back to do
his thing. So that's where I was really. That's really
(35:20):
where I was. Was thinking how episode five sort of
sets. Sets up that moment more so in episode
six
with, with him.
>> Sarah (35:29):
Yeah, yeah, I know, I know what you're saying. I don't agree with
it, but I understand,
how you got there. I don't really.
I feel like all five episodes
are the glide path. I, And
arguably, arguably this is just me.
I don't even think you necessarily need episode
(35:51):
five, because
the real motivation in episode
six, excessive force for
him is Angela, right? I
said her name. Yeah, Angela. And,
and he, he only knows about Angela because of
Hector. So. So to
an extent, like,
(36:14):
his real motivation always started
the moment Hector died. And
like, like he, he did the right thing.
He got justice. He. He was
the lawyer. And yet someone still managed to
take out this innocent person. And
now his niece is in
danger because his niece is, has that
(36:37):
instinct too to there's something going
on. My uncle knew about it. I, I can't
trust the, the cops, so I have to
go and, and figure this out on my own
Now. Now was that the smartest thing for the girl to do?
And, And I don't know about you, I didn't see her wearing an
amulet, so I don't know what her plan
was.
>> Will (36:57):
Yeah, no, she, she was not, she was not wearing it.
Yeah, I was like, looking very carefully throughout because I was
like, yeah, yeah, when is
she gonna like, sit up like. But maybe this
is like the. Maybe this is how she, like, ends up taking
up the mantle of the White Tiger. She's gonna need the amulet
to, to, you know, to, heal her, have his healing
(37:17):
powers or properties after, you know, given that.
>> Sarah (37:19):
Right.
>> Will (37:20):
Drew out the blood from her.
>> Sarah (37:22):
Right. the other thing
that kind of stuck out to me
or that
rhythm rhythmically
just didn't kind of, like, hit
a nerve with me,
was the Cherry scene. And that's
just because the moment Cherry walks in, I'm
(37:44):
like, oh, my God, Cherry, I forgot you were on the show. I feel
like I haven't seen you in two hours.
>> Will (37:49):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (37:51):
Then for him to drop the news
about Muse and to
say, like, like, I don't want you going
back there. I was just like,
see, a few episodes ago,
this scene would have been perfect, make a lot
more sense to me. But because I haven't seen Cherry
interact with Matt or
(38:13):
even, like, Cherry and Matt have
conversations about why, like, Like,
Cherry is Matt's sober
coach. Okay. But we
haven't seen him talk to the coach
in a while. And so for him to come
out and, and the fact that he delivers the
news, I'm like, man, you're doing a bad
(38:36):
job at your bad job
here. Why? You know, he
can't let that go. I
just, that kind of. I, and I love
Cherry, and I really liked him in, like, the first few
episodes where he was a consistent character, but
to use him like this, I was just like, okay,
(38:56):
what. What are we doing here? I get it,
but I'm like, it's been too long, guys.
>> Will (39:03):
Yeah, Yeah. I mean, yeah, I will. I agree
with you that it did seem like, oh, it's
Jerry again. I, I, I.
Yeah, I, I, I, I, I completely agree with what you
just said there. it was a bit,
out of place or just didn't seem
to rip. Didn't flow as far as with the edits and
(39:24):
stuff. Maybe.
>> Sarah (39:25):
Yeah, it just, it just.
It. They, they. They are
building. Like, every time I think about this show and
what it's done so far, the sound of a
tea kettle comes to my mind.
And, And I don't know what it is about
the, the escalation,
the, the,
(39:48):
the trying not to let
your anger or your,
your bad side get the best of you.
Like, like this simmering boil
occurs. And, but to have
a scene like that, it kind of
detracted from
motivation because it's just like, if that
(40:09):
was the character's purpose, a
he. He would have never told Matt
that there There was no reason. Like, he.
He brushes it. I like how they say, oh, you're gonna hear
about this anyway, so I'd rather it come from. From
me. based on everything that we're hearing.
Actually. No. Like,
no. That you're. They're not. So I don't
(40:31):
understand why you feel obligated to
tell him and then you immediately
follow it up with. You got to let the cops handle this.
Like, one plus one is an equaling two here.
I. So. So that. But
all that aside,
I. I really enjoyed this episode because
(40:52):
of, The. The parallelism
really came to a head for me and
worked so well between Fisk and Matt.
I mean, between the opening conversations
with Amanda, who's writing a book
about vigilantism, specifically about why
we revere the mask and once interview
(41:12):
Castle. Matt's never gonna let that happen because
of a little thing called Frank Castle and Karen. Okay? He lost
one girlfriend, Tim. He's not gonna lose the second one. I'm just
saying.
I had to.
>> Will (41:26):
I know you had to. I know. Yeah.
>> Sarah (41:28):
Yeah. And then to fast forward to the
ending with. Between the
muse and Daredevil showdown
and the Adam and. And Fist
showdown. Like. Like, it just. It
worked so well. I love me a good
book. Book endings. And to fact that they
took both of these characters. It really.
(41:51):
This. This whole show really should be
called Daredevil and Fisk born
again.
>> Will (41:57):
Yeah. Yeah.
>> Sarah (41:59):
Because, I mean, other than episode five,
I feel as though Fiskets equal
screen time for a reason. And this. This
show is, like, equally his.
>> Will (42:11):
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that, the ending would
definitely, to your point about it being a,
you know, tea kettle that was just simmering
to a bolt, you know, to. To the whistle, really.
this. This was. This. This was the whistle of moment, for. For
both of them. Because, you know, when you think about,
throughout. With, like, with Fisk. With this episode, you know, we have
(42:33):
Luca, you know, barging into the mayor's.
Mayor's, office and, you know, just
not showing the respect, not only of the
mayor, but also just the fact that this used to be the kingpin. and
just how if, you know, the thing
like with. With Fisk and you know, and of course,
his relationship with Vanessa throughout and.
(42:53):
And. And what we saw with them and
then, throughout the series.
Impotence is the word that comes to my
mind, because he, you know, he's.
He's neutered, in from the. From the.
From who he. Who he's been
And. And. And and it
(43:14):
shows and you know, how the people interact with him. And even
whenever, you know, even with the rich people they're in
town, you know, how they treat. How
at the fundraiser they just, you know, was also very dismissive of
him. So it's just, you know, so many
levels that, you know, we've gotten teases, you
know, to your point, you know, as we were talking about earlier with. With
runways, you know, to this moment, you know,
(43:36):
we, we, you know, we do get those
throughout the series with Fisk and you know, we
talked about the food and stuff and it was. He's,
you know, whenever we, you know, when he goes down into the cage, you
know, and we see the evidence
of him indulging in his appetites, you know, we
see the, The. The real reaction
(43:57):
to it, not only with the fight, but also his suits are starting to
tear now because he's putting the weight back on. You know, so it's
just so many, you know, those visual cues and as
things that just remind us as far as, you know, who
these two gentlemen really are as far as their true
natures.
>> Sarah (44:15):
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
anything else?
>> Will (44:20):
yeah, I mean, as far as like, you know, the. I do, you know,
do. To your point earlier too, about the the world
building, you know, we also saw the tie in with the
Hawkeye with the with the swordsman, you know, first with the bb
and then of course, you know, as I was mentioning the rich folks, you know, we do
see the swordsman without his, mask, when he confronts, Fisk and their.
Their little dialogue there at the. At
the fundraiser as well. so, yeah, so again,
(44:42):
you're just wanted. Again, it's
just showing how, how this. They are world
building and tie in. Not only we, of course we got the Ms.
Marvel tie in in episode five, but
we also get the Hawkeye, tie in again not
only with the, not only with. With this, but
also, an echo as well as far as, you know, with this
(45:02):
being shot and. And you.
Of how his relationship
and stuff with Vanessa changed, from. From all that as
well.
>> Sarah (45:13):
Yep. I did not recognize the swordsman. Just
saying.
>> Will (45:16):
Yeah. Yeah, well, you know, when I saw him, I was like. When I
was watching episode, I was like, that dude looks familiar. I was
like. Because I remember, you know, BB's report with. With the
Swordsman earlier. And then when I saw the character, I
saw them talking there in the. At the fundraiser, I was like,
who is this guy? I just. I know that face. And
then, and yeah, so afterwards I did, I did
(45:37):
look it up and I was like, oh, it's, you know, I put the two,
two, two things together. because I was like,
yeah, I know this guy. I just can't remember where I saw him from.
But you know, it's been so long since I watched Hawkeye. I don't. And I only watched
it, Just watched it once. So there he
was, the stepdad. Yeah.
>> Sarah (45:53):
Yep.
>> Will (45:54):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (45:54):
All right, well that leads us to your friendly
neighborhood, Spider Man. We have another
two episodes. Episode three, Secret Identity
Crisis and episode four, hitting big time.
Really to sum up these two
episodes, it is about
Peter teaming up with Norman Osborne for
better and for worse.
(46:16):
and, and also Lonnie,
becoming a gang member inadvertently
or virtually.
Very virtually choosing
to, to in order to save his brother becomes a gang
member. unfortunately. And
at the end of the, the second
(46:37):
episode we get the reveal that
Dr. Otto Octavius is behind
the tech that has been going around that
we've seen previously with the, the
arsonist character. there's some tech
happening that is,
trying to amplify people, and
(46:57):
give them abilities, but unfortunately
they don't know how to use it. So that's how Spidey and
Norman are able to outsmart them. Oh, and then
of course all the Osbornes have to know that
Spider man is Peter Parker
because it doesn't take too long for
Harry to also know the identity. But that was
(47:17):
just a matter of time.
the. I, I think that these episodes are
good in the sense that
it is, it's interesting to see
Norman and Peter team up,
just, just this like,
like they're doing a good job with Norman.
(47:39):
because we're not getting the story
that that Harry and
Peter grew up together or had some kind of
long standing friendship. No, this is
mainly in the first episode. We see
Peter save Harry and that
leads to Norman wanting to know who this hero
is. And also, also what I really
(48:01):
liked was shout out to the Sefkovia
Accords.
>> Will (48:05):
Yes, yes.
>> Sarah (48:07):
Like, wow. I did not
expect them to be brought up in this show. And they
were. And they're also somewhat of
a background threat, because that Peter's
worried about. But Norman feels as though he can,
he can keep them at bay.
and preventing Peter from revealing
his identity to, you know, the only the
(48:29):
five people in New York at, who at that point won't know who he
is.
>> Will (48:33):
Yeah, yeah, like I did
like that too. you know that with the Accords and
well, that was, ah. That was a nice. Again, as
far as world building and tying everything together, that
was a great shot. And I guess too for me,
I was just like, now wait a minute. You know, with
this, with the chords. You know, I think.
(48:53):
I think this show is, you know, it's, you know, it is based in
another version of. You know, maybe in a
different universe, but different world.
But, you know, but it was still just nice to like, see, you
know. So I guess. I guess to use the, you know, use the term the
Nexus events, that use the MCU
parlance and Marvel parlance, it was. It was cool to see
that.
>> Sarah (49:14):
Yeah. It. It brings almost
a sense of. Because what. After they brought it up and then
I was like, okay, so what's going to be different? And then they
mentioned the airport. I'm like, oh, interesting.
Because Feiding was at that airport scene, but
now he's not.
>> Will (49:30):
Yep.
>> Sarah (49:31):
So, like, it's more
about. Okay, how does the.
How. How is this diverging? Because
I don't. I don't think this is a Nexus event either
because of the differences between
the 616 storyline and
what we're seeing here,
occur. So, so it. Again,
(49:53):
and I think I said this when talking about,
episodes one and two, only now
it's more of the MCU and
universe where it's like, it's familiar,
but we're not. We're not repeating these
beats. We. We're telling a
similar yet different story.
(50:13):
and. And also.
Okay, again, similar, yet different
story. I can't be the only
female watcher who watched this and did not think,
oh, I get it. Norman
is the boss from Devil Wears Prada and
we're getting the full Anne
Hathaway fashion multiple
(50:35):
outfit sequence going on here. Like,
and one day Peter is gonna find one that fits.
Yeah, like the,
the montage of the suits.
I, was like, immediately went to Devil's word. Prada.
Devil's word. Okay.
>> Will (50:54):
Yeah, yeah, that's a good. That, you know,
yeah, that I did not put that connection together. But,
but I could. But I totally see it.
>> Sarah (51:02):
I. I would not have expected you to.
Okay, this is a deep cut.
>> Will (51:08):
That's a deep cut. But I love. I. It. You know, I,
I always appreciate when you. Whenever you pull those deep
cuts.
>> Sarah (51:15):
It also between this
episode, and maybe that's just because we have
recently talked about Invincible,
but even Invincible, we saw
the. The the suit creator and work
on Oliver's suit and Oliver go through
not More of a suit like
phase, but also more of a name
(51:37):
convention. What. What should people call him?
But it's a very similar thing. and
they ultimately do end up on.
And it's also
interesting because the spider. Our
Tom Holland. Spider Man.
He is gifted his
suit from Stark.
>> Will (51:58):
Yeah. I was thinking the parallels there. Yeah, yeah,
yeah. I. Yeah. Because I was like, okay, in this universe, you
know, Norman's the one who's, you know, who is. Is the
benefactor for. For Peter. But, but to your
point, I mean, so, yeah, the. Some of the beats are
familiar from the mcu because, you know, it was
also, you know,
Tony, you know, recognizing, you know,
(52:20):
Peter's genius. And the covers, you know, they
kind of take the, you know, the, you know, the, you know, whenever May
and Tony M.
Yeah. With the. Yeah. With. With the
internship. And now we actually, you know, we see it in this
universe, you know, Peter is there and this is how Norman
figured, you know, he. The purpose of it is to figure out who is Spider
Man. So, you know, I did like, I did like the way that they, you
(52:43):
know, you. You took it in this
direction in this show to your point to, you know, not to
repeat things, that we. We've already seen in the MCU
proper.
>> Sarah (52:52):
Right. And. And again,
also, we're not. We've. We've
barely seen Harry. We've barely seen
Harry. This is more about a dynamic
between, Norman and Peter right now. And
also Peter and Lonnie.
>> Will (53:09):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (53:10):
Which Lonnie, again, is also a very
interesting character because he's new for
all. I. I'm from what I'm aware of.
And so they could go anywhere. And if you
spoil this for me, Will.
>> Will (53:24):
I won't spoil it. I won't spoil it.
>> Sarah (53:26):
Don't spoil it for me. I
want to be surprised. Okay. And then
you can say, yeah, yeah.
So. So like I said,
asterisks. I do not know
what's going to come about of this Lonnie
character. And that is thrilling for me as someone
who really loves the Spider man universe. Okay.
(53:49):
Okay, we're gonna keep it that way.
>> Will (53:53):
yeah, so. So folks telling you now,
don't spoil it for Sarah. So if you hear this, you know, if
you. You don't put on our socials, don't put it
on our YouTube, don't put any comments on
our Spotify. Just let it. Let it ride
and let Sarah discover the who. Who.
M. What will happen. Learn about
Lonnie
(54:15):
and Lonnie's path.
>> Sarah (54:17):
So I Think a bit harsh on them,
but.
>> Will (54:20):
Yeah, no, I'm fine. You know. Yeah, I
don't. I'm trying to save you, my friend. I'm trying. I'm trying to
let you. Let you. Let you enjoy all 10 episodes as, you
know, as it comes to you.
>> Sarah (54:31):
Yeah.
>> Will (54:31):
But, yeah, speaking of. Speaking of, you know, with this, you
know, story too, it's just like, you know, with Big Donovan and.
And also how he's using Lonnie, with the, With
the Scorpions. you know, it really was like
the. The whole point of when Lonnie,
you know, was basically traded himself for
his. For his brother. but also, like when he
(54:51):
became the runner and, you know, he basically, you know, sent
Lonnie to the other. To the other territory, so,
you know, to basically lock him in so that
he, you know, is. He's. He.
Big. Big Donovan owns them now, you know, and. And,
you know, and used. You know, he's like, you
know, and we see the empty impacts
(55:11):
of that with. With. With. With Lonnie, as far as, you
know, now he's like, He's starting to interfere with his studies, and
they know he's this, you know, the superstar jock and all that kind of,
you know, all those other things. And the fact that he can't go, you know, even if you try
to get out of New York, you know, the scorpions are going
to hunt him down. And also the fact that the scorpions, you
know, that, you know, Camille Camila was actually the number two. You know,
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there's still another person in the hierarchy
who's even more dangerous than Camila. So, you know, it
really. You, know, again, they really are this
little. Laying the foundations for so many things and so many
places where this story can go. I
did, you know, I really did like that about the fourth
episode.
>> Sarah (55:50):
Yeah, I. I am
again, I feel very similar to how
I felt last week about the first two episodes. This
show is so, for me, being very consistent,
and I hope it stays that way. and
it, I'm not. I'm definitely not overwhelmed
or nothing has been overly
(56:11):
surprising, yet at the same time, I've yet to be
disappointed. And there is a. They.
They still have maintained
whatever it is, and I don't know what it is exactly
Will, but they've still maintained the
charm of spice.
>> Will (56:27):
Yes. Yeah, the
charm. Yeah. I was thinking, like, in episode three with the jokes,
when he was like with, With Speed Demon and Tarantula
and, you know, it was the charm, the jokes,
the. Yeah, I Think that's the thing that's. To
your point about it being consistent? Because I also thought
about like the, the old Spider man show from the
90s, as well, that had that, that, that,
(56:50):
that charm that, that, that Peter just
oozes and, and I think that's what makes this show very
engaging for me. Yeah,
and entertaining.
>> Sarah (57:01):
Yeah, engaging, entertained. Being
entertaining. And just, I mean, we said it
before, but just the overall, like, what are you going to
do different? Because Ben's already dead.
>> Will (57:13):
Yeah, exactly.
>> Sarah (57:14):
Talk about a Nexus event.
So, so, so, and,
and, and also we, The last time this has
happened where we introduced to a Peter Parker where Ben had
already died. Well,
well, somebody else had to go. So I
don't know if it's going to be the same character this time around or if
(57:35):
it's going to be a different one. So. Yeah, you better watch
out.
>> Will (57:38):
Yeah, yeah, but, yeah, yeah, but
I, that's the other thing. Yeah. Speaking of Ben, I
did, you know, with, with Ben and, and Peter and May,
with, seeing Ben, how the camera, and the
bills, you know, so all the things that we, you know, that
we're familiar with, with this, with, with the Spider
man mythos, you know, there, we're seeing
(57:59):
those put out there in the, in this
series. whether it's just a visual cue or,
you know, or a prop like, you know, we've seen the camera that, you
know, eventually it'll be, you know, so we'll see Jay
Jonah Jameson down the line. So, you know, so again, I just
really. Yeah, you know, they're taking a very
familiar story, but adding their own, adding their own flavor
to it.
>> Sarah (58:19):
Yeah, yeah. and not, not
going to extreme either. and so
it's, They're. They're walking a fine line and they're doing it
well. and next week we will have
double the episodes. No, we'll have three
episodes to talk about.
>> Will (58:35):
Yep.
>> Sarah (58:36):
as we. As Daredevil Born again, we'll get,
back to one episode a week before it
finishes. So, stay tuned for that. And
on that note, Will, why don't you tell our listeners where they can find
you.
>> Will (58:48):
Yes, you can find me on all the socials at, Will
and M. Polk W I L L M M P
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>> Sarah (58:56):
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You're welcome.
Foreign.
>> Sarah (00:08):
This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host Sarah Belmont, and with me as
always, is our Mr. Producer, Will Paul. How are you doing tonight,
Will?
>> Will (00:14):
Doing very well, sir. How you doing this Thursday evening?
>> Sarah (00:17):
I'm doing fine. It's the last
recording of March.
>> Will (00:21):
I know, I know. This month is like zip
by. Yeah.
>> Sarah (00:27):
Towards the end there. Gotta get a bit sluggish. But
yeah, we're. We're pulling through. Yeah.
Technically, Technically it won't be over until
next week.
>> Will (00:39):
Yeah. But it is our last recording for March.
>> Sarah (00:42):
Yeah, it is, it is. and that
also means it's the last Women's History Month
Spotlight.
>> Will (00:50):
Yeah. Yeah. So for. For this week's Women's
History Month Month Spotlight, I was
going to share,
a person who was the first
female special effects
and makeup artist. And
interesting enough, it's a film that probably a
(01:10):
lot of people are familiar with. It's the person,
who actually created the Gill Monster from the
Creature from the Black Lagoon and the
arc. Yeah. Makeup artist is.
Her name is
Millicent
Patrick and she was credited
for. First she started out as a animator
(01:32):
at Disney and then she moved over to
Universal Studios. but also as I know that
she did was the artist who created the
famous creature, from the Black Lagoon. You can put a little photo
up for folks who are watching us on YouTube. You can
see the The. The. The mold
that for. For that. And interesting enough, she
(01:52):
was not initially credited with With
the design for that. It was actually a gentleman by the name of
Bud Westmore. And the name Westmore is probably very
familiar for folks who are. Who are used to makeup
and. And effects the famous Westmore
family, who has been in Hollywood for. For many,
many years. Many people from Star Trek will probably recognize the name
Micha. he was Bud
(02:14):
Westmore's nephew and
her Her credit for the Gill
Monster from Gillman, from Creature from the Black
Lagoon, was not
added until. Until very recently. and.
But she was definitely given credit for that.
But she's also, you know, she's also. She was also an
actress, done some other very famous
(02:37):
movies as well. Like It Came From Outer Space, a lot of those
b. Mov stuff from the 50s and 60s, where
she was special effects and makeup artist on those.
On those films. But But yeah, just wanted
to spotlight this. She was also one of the first
female animators at Disney, studios as well.
So she has quite a bit of history, with you
(02:57):
know, in the special effects and visual effects
and makeup realm. But wanted to
profile her as our, our last profile
for Women's History Month.
>> Sarah (03:08):
Very nice, Very nice.
the other thing you wanted to mention that you also I
believe tweeted about today was that
Netflix will be coming out with a Scooby Doo
live action series.
>> Will (03:22):
Yeah. Yeah. So Netflix, will be created.
A Scooby Doo live action Netflix series is actually from
Greg Berlanti who for many folks are. Who are
familiar with the Arrowverse. He was the
producer for that
you know the, the DC run on, on the
cw. But yeah, this this is going to be an
origin story for the Mystery Incorporated.
(03:44):
The, the gang, that everybody knows and loves.
But the story is that Shaggy
and Daphne meet in a summer camp, as.
As teenagers. And and of course throughout the
course of this eight episode Netflix
series, they of course meet up with
the rest of the rest of the gang. So you know,
obviously S***, you know, Fred Velma and of course
(04:07):
Scooby. So this is, this series has been
green lit. I think. It was announced sometime back. But Netflix
just confirmed it again this week that it will be going into
production. No one's been cast yet, but
it's, you know, there has been of course there were two live action
Scooby Doo films I think with Freddie Prinz and
some other folks back in the day. And I think James Gunn may
(04:27):
have written one of them if I recall. Or maybe I'm thinking about another
movie. But but yeah, but that the, the
Netflix Scooby Doo series, live action Scooby Doo series
is coming on Netflix in the near future.
>> Sarah (04:40):
so the next piece of news to
go over to Disney is that
and. Or released a poster and a trailer. I
think seen the poster. I think I
didn't like look at it too hard.
but no, I have not seen the trailer.
>> Will (04:58):
Okay, well, I know you
haven't seen the trailer but you know we you
know it's. We do have a new trailer that did
drop this week. here's just some scenes with this
just so for Sarah can see it but not hear it. So it won't
spoil anything for her. But yeah, the new trailer
did drop, for the series. Getting some great images of
(05:18):
like, like all the principal characters, within The
Rebellion. of course the cool sound effects in the background
was like the, the claxon alarms from the Star Destroyers.
You know we see Luthan, the shots from all
throughout the, the, the Rebellion and the
the great special effects. And of course
Ben Mendelson also returns as a
Krennic, which And also
(05:41):
you know we see kcso. So of course, you know again just
showing the Death Star of course is
going to be a, you know, very prominent in this because as we
all know, if you've seen Spoiler alert. If you haven't seen Rogue
One, we, you know that, that does lead up to the,
to the story, that We you know we do, you
know we do get andor is leading.
>> Sarah (06:01):
Up to Rogue One. That's what you're trying to say.
>> Will (06:04):
Yeah, yeah, we get, yeah we get it right up to the moment right before
the movie Rogue One and all the events that happened there.
>> Sarah (06:09):
So yeah, just like how Rogue One leads up
to the events of the first Star wars
movie. So.
>> Will (06:15):
Yeah, yeah. But in addition to, in addition to
the trailer there was a lot of fun, you know, just to go to
some of the real world events with you know, signal. There were a lot of
cool memes that were like going around this
week as far as you know, joke with
the people getting added to you know,
high level sensitive or classified briefings in the group
chats. So a lot of folks are having
(06:38):
fun with the, with the memes this week from, from Star wars
and stuff. So I just wanted to just throw one up there too just for the h*** of
it because it was pretty. They've been some pretty, pretty
epic ones. Not, not trying to get political or anything but just
funny things that you see on the Internet.
>> Sarah (06:54):
And then the other big thing that came
out of Disney was MAR or Marvel
Studios and or is
they rolled out the call sheet for
Avengers Doomsday. were there any
surprises, Will?
>> Will (07:11):
so yeah, so I think it was
several. I don't know if there was any, I would say surprises.
I mean it, you know it was
27. It was like a five hour
long, drop. Yeah,
yeah.
>> Sarah (07:26):
Every 12 minutes they released another
job.
>> Will (07:29):
Yeah. So it's like 275 million
views of this stream. This could have been an email
but, or press release. But obviously you
know the, the film has started going into
production. So I guess I think Disney was probably
smart to you know, just to go ahead and just roll
everybody out and of course, the, you know,
because to avoid any, like, spoilers from
(07:51):
set photos, there was as a noted.
As far as any surprises. No, I
mean, they did pull back, several
folks from the Fox X Men,
franchise film. So as far as, you know,
Patrick Stewart is returning again as Professor
x. Ian, McKellar has to go back as Bonito.
We, do see Gambit, who was, of course, was in Deadpool and
(08:14):
Wolverine, Mystique is also going to be
in it. James Morrison is going to return as, Cyclops.
So. Well, so we do finally get the introduction of the X
Men into. Again. Well, we got them with Deadpool and
Wolverine, but, you know, we're getting deeper. More X Men showing up
in the mcu. and,
So, yeah, so I guess something's got. I can't
(08:34):
see them going forward with these characters. Also, Beast, you know,
we saw him at the end of, the Marvels, and of course he's all. Kelsey
Grammer is also back as Beast. but
we, finally do get Sean Lou back as far as,
>> Sarah (08:46):
So. So if there weren't any
surprises, we're. Do you
really think that this is
it?
>> Will (08:54):
No, because.
>> Sarah (08:55):
Right.
>> Will (08:56):
Yeah. Yeah, because Robert Downey. Yeah. So Robert Downey Jr.
Actually did like, after, of course, he was at the end of this
five hour. Yeah. Fasting call, and then he
did like, drop on Instagram. It's like that's what. That's what you call
a deep bench of talent. Actually, it's more like a row, but an extra
long one. That must be it, right? And then Marvel
Studios, like, you know, responds back to him. There's always
(09:17):
room for more because a lot of things are like.
>> Sarah (09:19):
Yeah, because there's a. There's a lot of
characters, who, are not,
don't have a chair and worlds.
And also the. The X Men stuff
for me, I mean,
we can only play in that universe
in that sandbox so many times.
(09:41):
And I think what a lot of us, or
personally I want is I want to see the new
X Men. Like, I want. I want the new
guys. So. So
I, I foresee them just being on
in their world and then that world getting wiped
out.
>> Will (09:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I completely
see that. I know some. Yeah. And I know folks were also,
say, made the point that. Well, you know, looks
like. Speaking of, you know, with the, with the thunderbolts and
that's coming out, pretty much everyone from that
film looks like they're going to survive. So I know some
People are like, well, you know, that maybe lower
(10:20):
the stakes for, for the film, but oh.
>> Sarah (10:22):
My God, like, if you
think going into that movie
that someone is going to die, like,
really? I don't. I don't understand. That's not
the point of that movie. And that that movie
is not gonna set up stakes for,
For Doomsday. Okay, if you can,
(10:43):
here. Here's the thing. So, so let
me think about this with your logic. Fantastic.
Four is also lowering the stakes
of Doomsday too. Right? Right.
>> Will (10:56):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (10:56):
Oh, so that's, that's just. I
understand it. And personally, as
someone who always calls out when they lower stakes,
I. I can appreciate it to an extent, but
it's just like ever since they
released the plan and you knew it was going to be
like Fantastic Four was going to be released before
(11:17):
doomsday, and. Oh, yeah, not only Doomsday, they're putting
the word Avengers. You can pretty
much guarantee every character
introduced up until then is going
to be seen in that next movie. Like,
they're bringing back Robert Downing
Jr. Talk about lowering
(11:37):
stakes in this universe.
Whatever. I digress.
>> Will (11:42):
Yeah, yeah, it's. I heard that. I
was just like, yeah, okay. But, you know, I think another thing too
is like, you know, people are like, what about Tom Holland? And you
know, I think that was more
the discussions, like, who wasn't,
like, listed, right in the, in the,
rollout yesterday.
>> Sarah (12:01):
Like, you have, you have the, you,
you have the OGs. So you
have your. Chris Evans wasn't there, which
we didn't expect. But also,
like. And the whole thing. Like, the last time we saw
him, he was technically in a, MCU
movie, but he was not playing Captain
America. So. So you have that
(12:23):
Tom Holland. To your point, you have,
you also have, talk about a character.
We're going to talk about him in a. In just a few
minutes. You, have Ms.
Marvel. You have the
Marvels.
>> Will (12:37):
Yeah. Yeah. No Brie Larson. Yeah. No Benedict
Cumberbatch. I mean, as far as. You know, and.
Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, so we do have some OG folks
like, obviously, you know, Chris Hemsworth is
back.
>> Sarah (12:50):
but at the same. Yeah, at the same
time I always
saw, like. Because
secret. Secret wars is coming after
Doomsday.
>> Will (13:03):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (13:04):
So to me, Doomsday
is like just the pre. Game.
>> Will (13:10):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (13:11):
Because with the Russo brothers
being on board with Secret
wars, like, I think that's really
where we're gonna get
like, like Doomsdays the appetizer,
and then the Secret wars will be the main, main
Steak, like main. Main meal.
I can't talk tonight. I have no idea what's going on with
(13:33):
me, but I
just. Everyone just needs to calm down.
>> Will (13:39):
Yep.
>> Sarah (13:40):
And. And all we got were a bunch of
chairs and rdj. Okay.
>> Will (13:45):
Yeah. Yep. Bunch of chairs.
Rdj. Else. Yeah. I mean, you know,
Harp, you know, shout out to the hardcore true
believers who sat through the full five hours. I mean, I did see
a little bit of it whenever. When I saw. When it first
started dropping yesterday, but I was like, there's no
way, I'm gonna keep up with all this. I gotta
(14:05):
work, right?
>> Sarah (14:07):
And I think. I think that I did
not watch any of it, but I
do not. I. I really think
that this was a smart move by Feige, and
here's why. It's. Because it
started. It was. It brought back
a little bit of the magic. Pre Covid.
(14:27):
Yeah, because there was. There was excitement,
there was anticipation, and there was this
magic that Feige.
Feige led in how he announced
these projects so
to. To take some losses in the
last few years and to brush
off and, and push all your money back
(14:49):
onto our DJ
back on RG Day.
Like. Like to. To open it
up like this and to. To get
that anticipation. And you already mentioned the number
of views. Like,
I think it served its purpose
(15:09):
and I can appreciate the.
At least the little
bit of excitement that is
starting despite some of the
negativity that's also a result of a cast
being announced.
>> Will (15:24):
Yeah, yeah, I completely agree with you think it. It, it
definitely. It did have that old school
ComicCon, you know,
event watch where, you know,
you see the things drop and you get the announcements. I
completely agree with you. It did. It. It did feel like old
school MCU days back, you know, phase one, two
and three, you know, vibe, for. For sure. And I think that's, you know,
(15:47):
obviously that's what they need because, you know,
Captain America, Brave New World was, you know, was
a mixed bag as far as, you know, critically
and with, I mean, I think, you know, as we're. As
we're. As you noted, we're going to be talking about, Daredevil and
some, you know, cameos of, Ms. Marvel.
>> Sarah (16:05):
Like, why, why. Why hide it?
>> Will (16:07):
We.
>> Sarah (16:07):
Everybody knows.
>> Will (16:08):
No, no, I know. Yeah, I know, I know. But, Yeah, but,
yeah, but, you know, my point being that, you
know, this. This was like a good
way to get the excitement back. Also, given that the film
has started production, as I noted before, it
also avoids any. Any spoilers as far
as, you know, set photos and that kind of stuff. So they were able to
(16:29):
take control of the narrative.
>> Sarah (16:31):
Well, not really, considering what
I said a few minutes ago and what you also said, that
RDJ even confirmed, like, this isn't the full list.
No, no, but my point is, we got Toby Maguire.
M. Hiding out somewhere in a
caravan.
>> Will (16:49):
Yeah. I mean, no, but I think even. Even when they do the next round
of announcements, they're gonna do it like they did. Like they did
yesterday.
>> Sarah (16:56):
Oh. Oh, I see. I don't. I don't see them going
back. Back to this. That would
be, I. I don't. I dare say
a misstep, but that would be weird to me.
Yeah. You do this once.
>> Will (17:10):
Well, maybe not the chairs, but I do. You know, but there. There
may be some type of, like, you know,
planned rollout of. Of the
next round of people who are going to.
>> Sarah (17:21):
I think. I don't. I
don't think you need to. You.
You. You can't. You can't give it all away.
Like, you really. So I, I
just. I hope they're keeping some secrets, because
I don't. I don't want to know. I don't want to know some
things going into Doomsday. But what I want
(17:41):
to say before we move on is just
that, like, I think at the end
of the day, we have to remember because, yeah, we
got. We got Captain America earlier this year. We
got Thunderbolts next month
or in May, and then we got Fantastic
Four. Like, this is an Avengers movie,
(18:01):
though. So I think that's also why
they. They. They're making a big deal. Just
the fact that it's in production. It's like the
Avengers are coming
back, and that's a big deal.
So it's not just that this is Doomsday
movie. It's the Avengers
Doomsday. So. So I think
(18:23):
that's also why it's getting this
extra, extra
rollout and why Tom Holland
wasn't announced, because we all know he spoils
everything that happens in Avengers movies. So he has
not even seen the script.
>> Will (18:39):
Yeah, yeah, there's that.
>> Sarah (18:42):
Plus, he doesn' know he's gonna be in it either.
They're just gonna surprise him one day.
>> Will (18:47):
Well, that's just it, too. I mean. Yeah, I mean, that's the other piece, too, is
like some people, like Chris Pratt and other folk, you know, people are
working on other projects. And, you know, as far as Tom Holland, you
know, I think the way. I think The
Spider Man 4 may be in between These
films anyway, so, you know, they may be holding a lot, some
of these characters back for. For secret.
>> Sarah (19:08):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. You're not going to get
everyone in Doomsday.
>> Will (19:13):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (19:14):
but you're also. We're not also not going to spend two and
a half hours with Patrick Stewart. I love you, Patrick Stewart, but
we're just not going to do that.
>> Will (19:22):
Exactly.
>> Sarah (19:24):
So, well, in the near future,
we will definitely continue to do more of a deep
dive into Doomsday and what it all means.
but before that, we have two,
not one, but two episodes of Daredevil. Born
Again. Starting things off with episode
five with interest, A day in the life of Matt
(19:46):
Murdock gets intense, forcing him to team up with a
familiar face, AKA Kamala's
dad. Kamala's dad is in the
bank.
Will, what did you think about this episode?
>> Will (20:00):
You know what? I actually really like this episode.
I really did. it
was, You know, it was true. It was a true
bottle episode in a sense that, you know, it,
it, was. We take a little break
from, you know, we, you know, Matt's. It's a Day in the life of
Matt. And, And I,
I, I really liked that.
(20:24):
it was also,
I will say the. The scenes with
Kamala's dad, at first, they did
over. That was probably for me, I enjoyed
them, but they were not my most
favorite part of the episode. At least the beginning scenes now the scenes when they
were later in the vault and stuff. And, and, and
(20:46):
with that, I like those better. but, but
overall, I, I really, really enjoyed this episode. And
it was also, I think one of the. I think the only episode that didn't
get, like, retooled in the creative overhaul that they did,
with with the series to see.
>> Sarah (21:01):
That makes sense because I was. I
was thinking about it leading up, to getting on this recording
with you, and I was like, I would
argue, not just this episode,
but both of these episodes,
out of all that we've so far seen this season, are the
most Disney plus defied.
(21:22):
and, and now, now, do not
take that as a complete criticism.
Okay, everyone hold your horses.
I, I did enjoy this episode and I
enjoyed the next episode as well.
I'm just saying that I believe because of the
cameos, because of the name drops,
and because of the
(21:44):
lack of our more violent characters, specifically
in episode five, it.
It felt very much m. More
like between the, the
comedy and some of the
action and also just the, the whole
structure of episode five, it's very
Much. They,
(22:07):
it makes sense to me when you said
like this is the least re
reworking they had to do out of all
episodes, that they had shot.
So I, I, I, I don't
think it's awful in any way. I, like I
said I was engaged full time. It was a nice
breather.
(22:29):
I, I, I didn't mind
anything. granted the whole time I was
just like, okay,
so, so how does this work with episode six?
I was like in the back of my mind I'm just thinking about
this because that's, that leading up to now everyone
was, we were kind of talking like why
(22:50):
episode 5 and 6 are being released at the same
time. Like that gives the impression, oh, part
one, part two. But that that was not the case.
And that led
me into another thing that
I, or another takeaway I had
about why
these two episodes, having them back to
(23:12):
back worked, albeit
did to an extent feel a bit out of place
simultaneously. Like, it's weird.
I, I wouldn't say it was like they were trying
to, it didn't go too far off
course, but at the same time there
were some beats where I'm just like, okay,
(23:32):
this feels like just out of
place. and I think
that though what I came
to is that these two
episodes really built the
world. It was
more world building. I mean, and that's
(23:53):
crazy to say because the episode we're
talking about right now with interest is
a one off where we just follow A Day in the Life
of Matt. Now granted, saying A day in life
is a bit of a stretch because it's, it kind of implies
every day he goes into a blanket bank and it gets
robbed.
>> Will (24:16):
I just need to get, you know, alone and you know,
having this conversation about he's over leveraged and. Yeah,
and Right, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Sarah (24:24):
But that's not that, it's just, it's funny to
me like, like every day he manages
to find himself in a circumstance but that
which leads to him trying to save somebody. Which
kind of for a superhero,
episodically, that is
the, the structure of
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this storytelling. Like A day in the
life of a hero is always trying to save
someone, someone, ah. At the end of the day.
And but I think that they did
the smart thing and tie
it into Fisk and what we
saw Vanessa do. And, and you
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get that reveal because, because, and I like how they kind of
withheld that because if you were getting a little
bored, like we're spending too much time here, it's like,
okay, who's the boss? Who's boss. Who's the boss.
And. And it was. And it's also nice that it
wasn't like it was Vanessa. No,
it was one of the lower level mob
(25:24):
bosses. But there were
implications. So I can appreciate that
we also met more of the police force who we
later see in the next episode. We. And.
And also one of the characters.
This was kind of a stretch. One of the other
people who just so happened to be in the bank in that day
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also works for the sanitation department. And
the next episode they discover that
somebody's been painting using blood
to paint murals. So political
murals.
But still, despite all
that, I do feel
like together
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these two episodes built a world. And there's no
way in h*** they could
have released episode five and
let. Let us go one week without episode
six.
>> Will (26:20):
Yes, that was, that was my other big takeaway
from. From the two. I completely agree with you that these episodes
in a way, even though five is in.
In a sense of like in. In the streaming
serialized world that we're in now where every
story seems to be, you know, serial
storytelling. This was all, you know, it did throw back to the old
(26:40):
days of like the bottle episode. But this one
really did in some respects.
But you're right, they did complement one another
because I, I had the exact, exact same fall Tuesday night after
I watched episode. I was like, yeah, they made the right call Aaron, these two back
to back. Because it would have been
hard for you know,
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to. To all the points that you. That how you did with all the various
tie ins. You're right. I mean
it was nice that they you know, did
have him back to back. And the other thing too, I thought that
with. With Matt, in particular, when
he did
in some respects for me the
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decision for him to like go back to being
you know, to just really go
back to. To being Daredevil or.
Or embracing the.
The mask so to speak, was this
episode was episode five. Because
you know, while it was. It was cool in one, it was cool in
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two respects. One, we got to see Matt just like, you know,
it's just plain clothes Matt not
worried, you know, trying to
do. Do the superhero thing with. Without,
you know, it's like without the mask, without the costume,
without the armor and he's, you know, and he. Throughout
the episode he was doing things like, you know, you
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know, like I said I gotta use the bathroom. So it can start to separate
the, the people apart. And. And then
you know, of course we see the fight in the stairwell and, and,
and then later in front of the vault.
So he was doing, you know, so he was really, you know, we've, we've
been, we've been leading up to this point all throughout
the series as far as him,
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you know, trying to, you know,
let the police handle this and, and, you know, let the, let the
system handle things. I don't need to be a vigilante.
But then when push came to shove,
he, he did go back to being, you know,
the vigilante. And then, you know, whenever he's like, hunting
down the devil and the, the, you know, the
lead, you, know, he takes the, the ski masks so
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he can, you know, protect his
identity identity and, and does take matters into
his own hands. So, you know, which, you know, I
know you said it was very Disney plusified, but I mean, the
bone crush whenever he, broke the dude's leg was
pretty, that was, yeah, that was, that
was leaning into the violence that, you know, that we,
that people were expecting.
>> Sarah (29:09):
Yeah, I, I, I, I was, I
said, I believe my statement was it's the most
like, out of all of the episodes. Like,
I'm not saying that it doesn't have its
moments that bleed true to the show that we've
been watching. I don't,
I don't know if I can 100 agree with what
(29:30):
you just said. I,
because, and, and I kind of just lost,
lost my my thought process there for a moment.
M. But, I
found it interesting that in, in this
episode,
for some reason I really like the point about
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him being Irish and an orphan
and, and a character straight out of Charles
Dickens, because
this, in this series,
Born Again. In the Born Again series, we have not spent a
lot of time like, fleshing out
the background of Matt Murdock because
(30:11):
we have three previous seasons of Daredevil
to do so. But I,
I just, I, I felt like it was, it
was interesting to bring that up and then have the
robbers also to be Irish and to
have it be on Saint Page Patrick's
Day. And I felt like, and maybe this
(30:31):
is what you were, what you were getting at is
like, majority of this episode he is,
he's still the mat who we've seen
since Foggy's death and
still like, yes, doing,
using some tricks, but not, not a
hundred percent, out of the realm
of when we saw him beat,
(30:54):
up those two cops, because
they were trying to tamper with the, the
Witness Witness tampering was going on.
But it was really.
When it's interesting though, when you
have the ending moment of
the. Like we already know.
He, he, he. It's not like they
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took the, the diamond. They.
He. This guy is getting away, but I
mean he, at the end of the day is going to
get away and probably going to get killed by his boss because
he, his whole thing failed.
So, so he's already a loser. But Matt
decides to not be
vigilante, in my opinion. And
(31:39):
maybe this is. Goes more into like why he
needs to not be a vigilante. It's
because he decides like he needs to run
this guy down and
then break his leg and do all of this stuff
to him, and put on a mask
just because he's angry. You know,
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it's more of a vengeance. It's like you put these people
at risk the guy. And, and also keep in mind.
So this villain
did not murder anyone in the bank.
No, they, they they, they
held, they threatened, but they actually
never pulled the trigger on anyone. Everyone made it
(32:19):
out alive that day. So.
And, and the diamond, at the end of the day,
Matt took and left it at the bank.
So. So nothing was stolen
either. So. So it's
interesting,
like if
you really analyze that
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trajectory, I feel like
this episode then serves more
as an examination of how.
Of that. Of that nature that
Fisk has always been talking about.
Like you have these abilities,
but. And you think
(33:01):
like, you think you're, you're getting
justice, but really all it is is vengeance.
M. And then to that point, if
that's true, then what
really was he trying to get vengeance
for? The guy didn't. At the end of the day, the guy didn't
really do anything. He may have hit mat few times,
(33:21):
but come on.
>> Will (33:23):
Well, I mean, he did. I mean, he
did. I mean they got. There's a bit much to say. He didn't do
anything. I mean he did rob. He did attempt to rob a bank,
so.
>> Sarah (33:32):
Attempt to rob a Break. Attempted.
>> Will (33:34):
Yeah, well, a crime was committed. I mean,
Matt said, you know, so
sometimes it doesn't have to be like, you know,
you know, you know, the muse level of violence
that that, that a superhero has to take
out. I mean it, it can be, you
know, and I guess for me it's just more.
(33:55):
For me it just episode five,
like when Matt does finally decide to don
the costume to take down Muse in episode
six, I. I feel like
the, the, the glad path what you did.
To your point, you know, when we saw whenever he beat
up the cops earlier in the season and you know, and other.
And other element, you know, that he,
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he was really trying to, like
he felt something.
You know, Phil, you know, felt terrible about it or whatever. You
know, he felt, you know, he's like, no, I'm trying to do. I'm trying to
break away from this world of taking
things into my own hands and, and even,
you know, so, so like at the end of this
(34:38):
episode when he does stop debling. I mean, it
feels like the, the, the, the,
you know, it is like, you know, when you just, you know,
when you compare it with. With Fisk and you know, we've seen
those glimpse. You know, we've. We've seen them both like
dip their toes back into their true
natures in different ways. And so this one was
(34:59):
like the, this was like the Matt's
like at that line now where,
you know, all. It was just then once
with the events in episode six
just completely takes him over the line and he's just like, okay, I got.
He's he's suiting up and he's gonna. Right, go back to do
his thing. So that's where I was really. That's really
(35:20):
where I was. Was thinking how episode five sort of
sets. Sets up that moment more so in episode
six
with, with him.
>> Sarah (35:29):
Yeah, yeah, I know, I know what you're saying. I don't agree with
it, but I understand,
how you got there. I don't really.
I feel like all five episodes
are the glide path. I, And
arguably, arguably this is just me.
I don't even think you necessarily need episode
(35:51):
five, because
the real motivation in episode
six, excessive force for
him is Angela, right? I
said her name. Yeah, Angela. And,
and he, he only knows about Angela because of
Hector. So. So to
an extent, like,
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his real motivation always started
the moment Hector died. And
like, like he, he did the right thing.
He got justice. He. He was
the lawyer. And yet someone still managed to
take out this innocent person. And
now his niece is in
danger because his niece is, has that
(36:37):
instinct too to there's something going
on. My uncle knew about it. I, I can't
trust the, the cops, so I have to
go and, and figure this out on my own
Now. Now was that the smartest thing for the girl to do?
And, And I don't know about you, I didn't see her wearing an
amulet, so I don't know what her plan
was.
>> Will (36:57):
Yeah, no, she, she was not, she was not wearing it.
Yeah, I was like, looking very carefully throughout because I was
like, yeah, yeah, when is
she gonna like, sit up like. But maybe this
is like the. Maybe this is how she, like, ends up taking
up the mantle of the White Tiger. She's gonna need the amulet
to, to, you know, to, heal her, have his healing
(37:17):
powers or properties after, you know, given that.
>> Sarah (37:19):
Right.
>> Will (37:20):
Drew out the blood from her.
>> Sarah (37:22):
Right. the other thing
that kind of stuck out to me
or that
rhythm rhythmically
just didn't kind of, like, hit
a nerve with me,
was the Cherry scene. And that's
just because the moment Cherry walks in, I'm
(37:44):
like, oh, my God, Cherry, I forgot you were on the show. I feel
like I haven't seen you in two hours.
>> Will (37:49):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (37:51):
Then for him to drop the news
about Muse and to
say, like, like, I don't want you going
back there. I was just like,
see, a few episodes ago,
this scene would have been perfect, make a lot
more sense to me. But because I haven't seen Cherry
interact with Matt or
(38:13):
even, like, Cherry and Matt have
conversations about why, like, Like,
Cherry is Matt's sober
coach. Okay. But we
haven't seen him talk to the coach
in a while. And so for him to come
out and, and the fact that he delivers the
news, I'm like, man, you're doing a bad
(38:36):
job at your bad job
here. Why? You know, he
can't let that go. I
just, that kind of. I, and I love
Cherry, and I really liked him in, like, the first few
episodes where he was a consistent character, but
to use him like this, I was just like, okay,
(38:56):
what. What are we doing here? I get it,
but I'm like, it's been too long, guys.
>> Will (39:03):
Yeah, Yeah. I mean, yeah, I will. I agree
with you that it did seem like, oh, it's
Jerry again. I, I, I.
Yeah, I, I, I, I, I completely agree with what you
just said there. it was a bit,
out of place or just didn't seem
to rip. Didn't flow as far as with the edits and
(39:24):
stuff. Maybe.
>> Sarah (39:25):
Yeah, it just, it just.
It. They, they. They are
building. Like, every time I think about this show and
what it's done so far, the sound of a
tea kettle comes to my mind.
And, And I don't know what it is about
the, the escalation,
the, the,
(39:48):
the trying not to let
your anger or your,
your bad side get the best of you.
Like, like this simmering boil
occurs. And, but to have
a scene like that, it kind of
detracted from
motivation because it's just like, if that
(40:09):
was the character's purpose, a
he. He would have never told Matt
that there There was no reason. Like, he.
He brushes it. I like how they say, oh, you're gonna hear
about this anyway, so I'd rather it come from. From
me. based on everything that we're hearing.
Actually. No. Like,
no. That you're. They're not. So I don't
(40:31):
understand why you feel obligated to
tell him and then you immediately
follow it up with. You got to let the cops handle this.
Like, one plus one is an equaling two here.
I. So. So that. But
all that aside,
I. I really enjoyed this episode because
(40:52):
of, The. The parallelism
really came to a head for me and
worked so well between Fisk and Matt.
I mean, between the opening conversations
with Amanda, who's writing a book
about vigilantism, specifically about why
we revere the mask and once interview
(41:12):
Castle. Matt's never gonna let that happen because
of a little thing called Frank Castle and Karen. Okay? He lost
one girlfriend, Tim. He's not gonna lose the second one. I'm just
saying.
I had to.
>> Will (41:26):
I know you had to. I know. Yeah.
>> Sarah (41:28):
Yeah. And then to fast forward to the
ending with. Between the
muse and Daredevil showdown
and the Adam and. And Fist
showdown. Like. Like, it just. It
worked so well. I love me a good
book. Book endings. And to fact that they
took both of these characters. It really.
(41:51):
This. This whole show really should be
called Daredevil and Fisk born
again.
>> Will (41:57):
Yeah. Yeah.
>> Sarah (41:59):
Because, I mean, other than episode five,
I feel as though Fiskets equal
screen time for a reason. And this. This
show is, like, equally his.
>> Will (42:11):
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that, the ending would
definitely, to your point about it being a,
you know, tea kettle that was just simmering
to a bolt, you know, to. To the whistle, really.
this. This was. This. This was the whistle of moment, for. For
both of them. Because, you know, when you think about,
throughout. With, like, with Fisk. With this episode, you know, we have
(42:33):
Luca, you know, barging into the mayor's.
Mayor's, office and, you know, just
not showing the respect, not only of the
mayor, but also just the fact that this used to be the kingpin. and
just how if, you know, the thing
like with. With Fisk and you know, and of course,
his relationship with Vanessa throughout and.
(42:53):
And. And what we saw with them and
then, throughout the series.
Impotence is the word that comes to my
mind, because he, you know, he's.
He's neutered, in from the. From the.
From who he. Who he's been
And. And. And and it
(43:14):
shows and you know, how the people interact with him. And even
whenever, you know, even with the rich people they're in
town, you know, how they treat. How
at the fundraiser they just, you know, was also very dismissive of
him. So it's just, you know, so many
levels that, you know, we've gotten teases, you
know, to your point, you know, as we were talking about earlier with. With
runways, you know, to this moment, you know,
(43:36):
we, we, you know, we do get those
throughout the series with Fisk and you know, we
talked about the food and stuff and it was. He's,
you know, whenever we, you know, when he goes down into the cage, you
know, and we see the evidence
of him indulging in his appetites, you know, we
see the, The. The real reaction
(43:57):
to it, not only with the fight, but also his suits are starting to
tear now because he's putting the weight back on. You know, so it's
just so many, you know, those visual cues and as
things that just remind us as far as, you know, who
these two gentlemen really are as far as their true
natures.
>> Sarah (44:15):
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
anything else?
>> Will (44:20):
yeah, I mean, as far as like, you know, the. I do, you know,
do. To your point earlier too, about the the world
building, you know, we also saw the tie in with the
Hawkeye with the with the swordsman, you know, first with the bb
and then of course, you know, as I was mentioning the rich folks, you know, we do
see the swordsman without his, mask, when he confronts, Fisk and their.
Their little dialogue there at the. At
the fundraiser as well. so, yeah, so again,
(44:42):
you're just wanted. Again, it's
just showing how, how this. They are world
building and tie in. Not only we, of course we got the Ms.
Marvel tie in in episode five, but
we also get the Hawkeye, tie in again not
only with the, not only with. With this, but
also, an echo as well as far as, you know, with this
(45:02):
being shot and. And you.
Of how his relationship
and stuff with Vanessa changed, from. From all that as
well.
>> Sarah (45:13):
Yep. I did not recognize the swordsman. Just
saying.
>> Will (45:16):
Yeah. Yeah, well, you know, when I saw him, I was like. When I
was watching episode, I was like, that dude looks familiar. I was
like. Because I remember, you know, BB's report with. With the
Swordsman earlier. And then when I saw the character, I
saw them talking there in the. At the fundraiser, I was like,
who is this guy? I just. I know that face. And
then, and yeah, so afterwards I did, I did
(45:37):
look it up and I was like, oh, it's, you know, I put the two,
two, two things together. because I was like,
yeah, I know this guy. I just can't remember where I saw him from.
But you know, it's been so long since I watched Hawkeye. I don't. And I only watched
it, Just watched it once. So there he
was, the stepdad. Yeah.
>> Sarah (45:53):
Yep.
>> Will (45:54):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (45:54):
All right, well that leads us to your friendly
neighborhood, Spider Man. We have another
two episodes. Episode three, Secret Identity
Crisis and episode four, hitting big time.
Really to sum up these two
episodes, it is about
Peter teaming up with Norman Osborne for
better and for worse.
(46:16):
and, and also Lonnie,
becoming a gang member inadvertently
or virtually.
Very virtually choosing
to, to in order to save his brother becomes a gang
member. unfortunately. And
at the end of the, the second
(46:37):
episode we get the reveal that
Dr. Otto Octavius is behind
the tech that has been going around that
we've seen previously with the, the
arsonist character. there's some tech
happening that is,
trying to amplify people, and
(46:57):
give them abilities, but unfortunately
they don't know how to use it. So that's how Spidey and
Norman are able to outsmart them. Oh, and then
of course all the Osbornes have to know that
Spider man is Peter Parker
because it doesn't take too long for
Harry to also know the identity. But that was
(47:17):
just a matter of time.
the. I, I think that these episodes are
good in the sense that
it is, it's interesting to see
Norman and Peter team up,
just, just this like,
like they're doing a good job with Norman.
(47:39):
because we're not getting the story
that that Harry and
Peter grew up together or had some kind of
long standing friendship. No, this is
mainly in the first episode. We see
Peter save Harry and that
leads to Norman wanting to know who this hero
is. And also, also what I really
(48:01):
liked was shout out to the Sefkovia
Accords.
>> Will (48:05):
Yes, yes.
>> Sarah (48:07):
Like, wow. I did not
expect them to be brought up in this show. And they
were. And they're also somewhat of
a background threat, because that Peter's
worried about. But Norman feels as though he can,
he can keep them at bay.
and preventing Peter from revealing
his identity to, you know, the only the
(48:29):
five people in New York at, who at that point won't know who he
is.
>> Will (48:33):
Yeah, yeah, like I did
like that too. you know that with the Accords and
well, that was, ah. That was a nice. Again, as
far as world building and tying everything together, that
was a great shot. And I guess too for me,
I was just like, now wait a minute. You know, with
this, with the chords. You know, I think.
(48:53):
I think this show is, you know, it's, you know, it is based in
another version of. You know, maybe in a
different universe, but different world.
But, you know, but it was still just nice to like, see, you
know. So I guess. I guess to use the, you know, use the term the
Nexus events, that use the MCU
parlance and Marvel parlance, it was. It was cool to see
that.
>> Sarah (49:14):
Yeah. It. It brings almost
a sense of. Because what. After they brought it up and then
I was like, okay, so what's going to be different? And then they
mentioned the airport. I'm like, oh, interesting.
Because Feiding was at that airport scene, but
now he's not.
>> Will (49:30):
Yep.
>> Sarah (49:31):
So, like, it's more
about. Okay, how does the.
How. How is this diverging? Because
I don't. I don't think this is a Nexus event either
because of the differences between
the 616 storyline and
what we're seeing here,
occur. So, so it. Again,
(49:53):
and I think I said this when talking about,
episodes one and two, only now
it's more of the MCU and
universe where it's like, it's familiar,
but we're not. We're not repeating these
beats. We. We're telling a
similar yet different story.
(50:13):
and. And also.
Okay, again, similar, yet different
story. I can't be the only
female watcher who watched this and did not think,
oh, I get it. Norman
is the boss from Devil Wears Prada and
we're getting the full Anne
Hathaway fashion multiple
(50:35):
outfit sequence going on here. Like,
and one day Peter is gonna find one that fits.
Yeah, like the,
the montage of the suits.
I, was like, immediately went to Devil's word. Prada.
Devil's word. Okay.
>> Will (50:54):
Yeah, yeah, that's a good. That, you know,
yeah, that I did not put that connection together. But,
but I could. But I totally see it.
>> Sarah (51:02):
I. I would not have expected you to.
Okay, this is a deep cut.
>> Will (51:08):
That's a deep cut. But I love. I. It. You know, I,
I always appreciate when you. Whenever you pull those deep
cuts.
>> Sarah (51:15):
It also between this
episode, and maybe that's just because we have
recently talked about Invincible,
but even Invincible, we saw
the. The the suit creator and work
on Oliver's suit and Oliver go through
not More of a suit like
phase, but also more of a name
(51:37):
convention. What. What should people call him?
But it's a very similar thing. and
they ultimately do end up on.
And it's also
interesting because the spider. Our
Tom Holland. Spider Man.
He is gifted his
suit from Stark.
>> Will (51:58):
Yeah. I was thinking the parallels there. Yeah, yeah,
yeah. I. Yeah. Because I was like, okay, in this universe, you
know, Norman's the one who's, you know, who is. Is the
benefactor for. For Peter. But, but to your
point, I mean, so, yeah, the. Some of the beats are
familiar from the mcu because, you know, it was
also, you know,
Tony, you know, recognizing, you know,
(52:20):
Peter's genius. And the covers, you know, they
kind of take the, you know, the, you know, the, you know, whenever May
and Tony M.
Yeah. With the. Yeah. With. With the
internship. And now we actually, you know, we see it in this
universe, you know, Peter is there and this is how Norman
figured, you know, he. The purpose of it is to figure out who is Spider
Man. So, you know, I did like, I did like the way that they, you
(52:43):
know, you. You took it in this
direction in this show to your point to, you know, not to
repeat things, that we. We've already seen in the MCU
proper.
>> Sarah (52:52):
Right. And. And again,
also, we're not. We've. We've
barely seen Harry. We've barely seen
Harry. This is more about a dynamic
between, Norman and Peter right now. And
also Peter and Lonnie.
>> Will (53:09):
Yeah.
>> Sarah (53:10):
Which Lonnie, again, is also a very
interesting character because he's new for
all. I. I'm from what I'm aware of.
And so they could go anywhere. And if you
spoil this for me, Will.
>> Will (53:24):
I won't spoil it. I won't spoil it.
>> Sarah (53:26):
Don't spoil it for me. I
want to be surprised. Okay. And then
you can say, yeah, yeah.
So. So like I said,
asterisks. I do not know
what's going to come about of this Lonnie
character. And that is thrilling for me as someone
who really loves the Spider man universe. Okay.
(53:49):
Okay, we're gonna keep it that way.
>> Will (53:53):
yeah, so. So folks telling you now,
don't spoil it for Sarah. So if you hear this, you know, if
you. You don't put on our socials, don't put it
on our YouTube, don't put any comments on
our Spotify. Just let it. Let it ride
and let Sarah discover the who. Who.
M. What will happen. Learn about
Lonnie
(54:15):
and Lonnie's path.
>> Sarah (54:17):
So I Think a bit harsh on them,
but.
>> Will (54:20):
Yeah, no, I'm fine. You know. Yeah, I
don't. I'm trying to save you, my friend. I'm trying. I'm trying to
let you. Let you. Let you enjoy all 10 episodes as, you
know, as it comes to you.
>> Sarah (54:31):
Yeah.
>> Will (54:31):
But, yeah, speaking of. Speaking of, you know, with this, you
know, story too, it's just like, you know, with Big Donovan and.
And also how he's using Lonnie, with the, With
the Scorpions. you know, it really was like
the. The whole point of when Lonnie,
you know, was basically traded himself for
his. For his brother. but also, like when he
(54:51):
became the runner and, you know, he basically, you know, sent
Lonnie to the other. To the other territory, so,
you know, to basically lock him in so that
he, you know, is. He's. He.
Big. Big Donovan owns them now, you know, and. And,
you know, and used. You know, he's like, you
know, and we see the empty impacts
(55:11):
of that with. With. With. With Lonnie, as far as, you
know, now he's like, He's starting to interfere with his studies, and
they know he's this, you know, the superstar jock and all that kind of,
you know, all those other things. And the fact that he can't go, you know, even if you try
to get out of New York, you know, the scorpions are going
to hunt him down. And also the fact that the scorpions, you
know, that, you know, Camille Camila was actually the number two. You know,
(55:32):
there's still another person in the hierarchy
who's even more dangerous than Camila. So, you know, it
really. You, know, again, they really are this
little. Laying the foundations for so many things and so many
places where this story can go. I
did, you know, I really did like that about the fourth
episode.
>> Sarah (55:50):
Yeah, I. I am
again, I feel very similar to how
I felt last week about the first two episodes. This
show is so, for me, being very consistent,
and I hope it stays that way. and
it, I'm not. I'm definitely not overwhelmed
or nothing has been overly
(56:11):
surprising, yet at the same time, I've yet to be
disappointed. And there is a. They.
They still have maintained
whatever it is, and I don't know what it is exactly
Will, but they've still maintained the
charm of spice.
>> Will (56:27):
Yes. Yeah, the
charm. Yeah. I was thinking, like, in episode three with the jokes,
when he was like with, With Speed Demon and Tarantula
and, you know, it was the charm, the jokes,
the. Yeah, I Think that's the thing that's. To
your point about it being consistent? Because I also thought
about like the, the old Spider man show from the
90s, as well, that had that, that, that,
(56:50):
that charm that, that, that Peter just
oozes and, and I think that's what makes this show very
engaging for me. Yeah,
and entertaining.
>> Sarah (57:01):
Yeah, engaging, entertained. Being
entertaining. And just, I mean, we said it
before, but just the overall, like, what are you going to
do different? Because Ben's already dead.
>> Will (57:13):
Yeah, exactly.
>> Sarah (57:14):
Talk about a Nexus event.
So, so, so, and,
and, and also we, The last time this has
happened where we introduced to a Peter Parker where Ben had
already died. Well,
well, somebody else had to go. So I
don't know if it's going to be the same character this time around or if
(57:35):
it's going to be a different one. So. Yeah, you better watch
out.
>> Will (57:38):
Yeah, yeah, but, yeah, yeah, but
I, that's the other thing. Yeah. Speaking of Ben, I
did, you know, with, with Ben and, and Peter and May,
with, seeing Ben, how the camera, and the
bills, you know, so all the things that we, you know, that
we're familiar with, with this, with, with the Spider
man mythos, you know, there, we're seeing
(57:59):
those put out there in the, in this
series. whether it's just a visual cue or,
you know, or a prop like, you know, we've seen the camera that, you
know, eventually it'll be, you know, so we'll see Jay
Jonah Jameson down the line. So, you know, so again, I just
really. Yeah, you know, they're taking a very
familiar story, but adding their own, adding their own flavor
to it.
>> Sarah (58:19):
Yeah, yeah. and not, not
going to extreme either. and so
it's, They're. They're walking a fine line and they're doing it
well. and next week we will have
double the episodes. No, we'll have three
episodes to talk about.
>> Will (58:35):
Yep.
>> Sarah (58:36):
as we. As Daredevil Born again, we'll get,
back to one episode a week before it
finishes. So, stay tuned for that. And
on that note, Will, why don't you tell our listeners where they can find
you.
>> Will (58:48):
Yes, you can find me on all the socials at, Will
and M. Polk W I L L M M P
O L K. And you can.
>> Sarah (58:56):
Find me there too at SJ Belmont, S J B L M O
N T. Please follow our crew at Scene N
Nerd. on X, formerly
known as Twitter and on Blue Sky. Friend
us on Facebook. Follow us on Instagram and threads @ Scene,
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importantly, rate, follow and comment on Apple Podcasts,
(59:18):
Spotify, YouTube, or wherever you get your podcast. Good night. Geek out.
You're welcome.
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