June 27, 2025 • 43 mins
Why do some people stay consistent for years, while others burn out in weeks? It’s not willpower. It’s not hype. And it’s definitely not discipline in the way you think.
In this episode of The Supra Human Show, Ryan Stevens, Dr. Taylor Waters, and Ben Olliver dismantle the myths of motivation. Together they show how true consistency comes from designing your environment, aligning your identity, and understanding the hidden motives that actually drive action. You’ll learn the concept of the “motivation threshold,” the difference between intrinsic and extrinsic drivers, and why discipline is just motivation in disguise.
This episode is built for anyone committed to long-term transformation. Whether you're chasing fat loss, peak performance, or simply trying to stop quitting on yourself, this episode gives you the tools to win for the long haul. Drop a comment, and subscribe for more episodes that help you engineer the mindset and systems of high performers.
Chapters
(0:00) Introduction
(4:18) What Motivation Really Is
(10:01) Intrinsic vs. Extrinsic Motivation
(14:55) Using Pain as a Superpower
(19:48) Discipline Is Just Identity-Driven Motivation
(25:36) Why External Triggers Work Short-Term
(30:27) Building a Fit Identity Through Accountability
(36:11) The Role of Environment in Behavior Change
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Yeah, try and get laid anyway. Yeah, Motivation, Motivation.
Right, let's get to it. You'll hear a lot.
Motivation is overrated. Basically psychopaths, you'll
finish work at like 10:00 or evidence that you still got like
10,000 steps or somebody to do and you're like don't do them
you're. Right, I'm not going to go and
do it. There was an article of this big
fat person in like the newspaperand he stuck it on the inside of
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the biscuit cupboard. My motive in my head is saying.
What you often hear me say is your behaviour will be dictated
between the balance of your motivation and and your
environment. I'm Ryan Stevens.
Doctor Taylor Waters, I'm Ben Oliver.
Welcome to the Superhuman show, Yeah?
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Welcome to the Superhuman show with your hosts.
But I was just. I just might go straight to you.
Forget about me, Ryan Stevens, Taylor Waters.
Doctor Taylor. Waters the doc.
The doc. Although according to Instagram,
you're not a real doctor, No. Yeah, based on one of the
comments, yeah, but that makes me laugh because I, I think
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most, I say most people, a lot of people don't know that if you
have a PhD, then you are a doctor.
Technically, you're not a physician, No, But you are like
you, you are allowed to legally put Dr. as your yeah, I don't
want to say pronouns then John, John will ban the show.
But like you're allowed to put doctor in front of your name.
(01:26):
But. I went, I went to anything in 10
years. Yeah, he's.
Like, sorry, but you're not a real doctor.
Yeah, look at you. Yeah.
I was. I was, yeah.
If, if I walked into a medical doctor's office and saw me,
yeah, I'd be pretty. I'd be like, what the fuck have
I got to deal with here? Fine.
But in my office, in the fitnessworld, yeah.
(01:49):
I'm the dog. Yeah.
But anyway, so today we're goingto be talking about how to
optimize your motivation. So I mean, Taylor, this is
definitely your wheelhouse because you won't shut the fuck
up about. It so I suffer from low.
Motivation. You'd see the motivation or
fibre. What do you?
Think that guy's motivation was just putting that comment to
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you, that you wasn't a real doctor?
Oh, God. Make himself feel better, Yeah.
Yeah, 100%. It's really weird, isn't it?
Like even the other guy when he just, he just wanted to throw a
dig in and it was, I can't remember.
He, he was, he's, he's been trolling John and Nineveh for
like a year since his application for coaching got
(02:32):
denied by me. I love that he's.
Like bagging it like you you applied for a job.
Here yeah and then and then it like got to the point where like
I was commenting back and I never normally bite and then and
he basically was said like, you know, I'm not interested in
talking to the to the low paying, mid, mid level Lloyd
abusing manager and I said so why did you comment on his page
(02:54):
then? And he was like, oh, you got me
there. It's like right, like it was
just, it was just ridiculous. But it it makes me laugh because
like I would, I would never in amillion years comment something
negative on someone's post, but I look at posts and I think
that's that's fucking stupid. What?
What a Dick. I still don't say anything.
I think that 80%. Of the time, but I I wouldn't
say anything because it's like it's not, it's not my business.
(03:16):
You know, time to do it. Yeah, yeah, but but yeah, crap.
Anyway, one of the comments basically was was digging Taylor
out for not being a real doctor but.
I've never been and I've never, I've been, I've never thought
that I would be offended by someone trying to diss the fact
that I've got a PhD. It's one of the best things I've
ever done. Yeah, give me a break, mate.
(03:39):
Very. It it.
It's very hard to get offended though, by someone.
I did click on his profile and he had drawings of like naked
cats in his, in his, in his Instagram.
And I was like, well, quite hardto be offended by someone.
Really. I swear there was like a picture
of like Putin in there or something.
It was. It was really random.
(03:59):
You seem like a rogue character,so I'm not going to take
whatever you have to say personally.
Yeah, like, I I think it's Laylaspoke about this, Layla Homosi,
and she was like, if if the person trolling you, if they
don't have the life you want or anything that you want, then why
do you care? Oh God.
Like it's just there. There's just no relevance to it.
(04:20):
But. You often, you often only get
offended anyway, like if there'ssome truth to it, like we know
you're a doctor and she's like. Yeah, because you said.
Something you said something else as well, didn't he?
That was like completely false. Well, they they try and claim
that what we're doing is not true.
Like, yeah, like, yeah, it's a scam.
So like, we're not actually coaching all these people.
The business is not actually booming.
(04:41):
And I was like, look, you can think what you want.
Yeah. We're going to keep changing
people's lives week after week, taking over the game, putting
out the best service out there. And you can sit and watch and
you can commented, but we're going to still keep doing what
we're doing anyway. And it's like when you say that,
it's like my day doesn't change.I still wake up and I still do
the same thing and you're. Still going to put a doctor in
front of you? And I'm still going to, but if
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you said. To that guy, like what evidence
would you need for you to admit that you're wrong about this
being a scam? And I bet he wouldn't be able to
give you an answer. And it's like, well then there's
no point arguing then because you've you've literally just
accepted that there is 0 possibility that you're going to
change your mind. Even if like there is something
you're objectively staring at you, you're not going to accept
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it. It's more like he hopes it's not
the case because they'll make him feel better about his own
decisions. It's all it is.
It's easier to accept your own your own sort of level if you're
Oh well, anything above me is isyou know is fake.
That's not true that persons notcrushing it.
So then you feel better about yourself.
Yeah, because like again, I think one of the guys who can't,
I saw his, his, his client base and his sort of training profile
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and like, yeah, you know, it was, it was pretty, pretty
substandard. And it's like, well, I would
feel if I was him, yeah, lookingat us, yeah, I would have a
little bit of resentment as well.
That's why you play for a job with.
Us yeah, but I probably still wouldn't comment.
I would go, I'm going to try andtry and work a little bit
harder, see if maybe I'll try and apply and do a good
application and try and get my, my, my head in that, in that
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team as well and see if I can sort of fit in.
Like, rather than just be like, you know, commenting on, on my,
my outfit or something. I've seen all the ones about
John shit like me. You're a you're a 45 year old
bloke concerned about what another man's wearing as a shit
I think. I think I said the first comment
that I said to that guy that waslike throwing shade at John.
(06:31):
I was like, I think I said like,do you, do you teach your kids
to troll other grown-ups like other grown men and women like
you have done for the last year?Like do do you think that that's
like an awesome behaviour to teach your kids?
And then I just wrote grow up. Like, but like he didn't he, he
never brought up those points because he knew that it's like,
yeah, it's a really shitty thing.
(06:52):
Like it's just, it's such a, it's such a bizarre that I
always, I always laugh because there's, there's a really old
movie called Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, which is like an
old, like just Stoner movie. Like dude, where's my car kind
of thing. And basically the, the gist of
the movie was someone's has seenthem standing out of a shop like
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being idiots and they decided tobase a movie on them.
And then the movie ends up making millions.
And the whole movie, the whole movie is about them finding the
guy that made the movie being like, what the fuck?
You owe us royalties because youtook out characters.
They end up getting loads of money and then they realise
throughout the movie they go onto like a web forum with loads
of people saying like Jay and Silent Bob suck a bag of Dicks.
(07:36):
Like they're just like, and they're like, who the fuck are
these people? And then so at the end when they
get their money, they're like, we could buy a lot of plane
tickets. And then so they just it's like
fly and then just knocking on a door.
Teenage kid opens the door and he's like, do you go by ass
Master 3000 on this phone? He's like, yeah, he goes, did
you say Jay can suck my big fat Dick?
And he's like, yeah. And he goes, let's go.
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And just, they just fly around and beat and shit out of people.
But like, it makes me laugh because it's like if, if, if,
you know, if any of these peopletrolled and say like John or
something saw him in the street and was like, and John said,
Hey, like, you know, come, come say what you were saying online.
Like to my face, Not that John'sviolent or anything, but like
just come sit. And they'd be like, oh, no, I
didn't mean it. No, no, I love, I love you guys.
(08:19):
And it's like, it's like, right.Well, shut the fuck up then.
That was the first time I've ever entertained any of like the
hate will get online. And the first one, it started
off like you guys are a bunch ofscammers or whatever it was.
And after like four or five messes back and forth, he
actually was like, you know, youguys are all right.
Yeah, I know. Like, so why?
(08:40):
So why did you reach out and andreach out with that message?
And then another guy. So me and this guy were sort of
going back and forth. I think he was a guy we were
talking about earlier. And then my natural thing when I
respond on Insta, I always like the the message and then I
reply. I heart the message reply.
And I was heart in this guy's message to reply.
And then I was but he wasn't heart in mine.
(09:01):
He was just replying to mine. And another guy called and did
like, no one likes your messages.
And I was like, if you're over the age of 12 and you've just
messaged that, like I can almostguarantee you're a complete
loser. A completely, if you're like a,
a 30 year old bloke and you've got no one likes your messages,
like you're most definitely a virgin and very good chance
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you're a complete loser. So then I, I, I said those exact
words. I said if you are over the age
of 12 and you've just messaged this, you're a complete loser
and then another bloke commentedunderneath.
And it's like you're calling, you're calling guys 12 year.
Old. You're calling a 12 year old a
loser. I was like, no, no, no, no.
So not only are you a complete loser, you're also stupid.
I said if you're over the age of12, you're a complete loser.
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And then I was just like, why amI responding to these morons?
You, you. Yeah, I I bet.
I mean, trap. They're there with their rod.
And I like this fish just like hanging off the end of it.
Yeah, you just like literally assoon as I comment I was like,
why did I buy? He's.
Like why you feel afterwards? Beating myself up, being like
you, stupid to that. Level it's like that's what they
want is the gay to response. Like the best way to beat them
(10:09):
is just don't respond. Yeah, don't even, don't even
like it. Don't even respond.
Just. Yeah, they're definitely lonely,
like, because again, I'm, I'm too busy doing other stuff.
There's too much going on in my life to to sit there and comment
on random people's stuff. So.
But if they're doing it, you canimagine they haven't got much
going on. They're probably quite lonely.
So if you just give them some attention to them, that's like,
oh, that's interaction. Exactly what I was looking for.
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Yeah. Try and get laid.
Yeah. Anyway, motivation, motivation,
right, Let's get to it. Cool.
So from you know, you'll hear a lot motivation is overrated.
And I think yeah, it depends which way you look at it because
motivation, I think a lot of people see motivation as this
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like super powerful emotion thatthey get in order to conduct a
behavior. So say now you've just watched
Ronnie Coleman promo video of him lifting some big ass weights
and you go, yeah, you know what,I'm going to lift some weights
like and it is quite powerful. You're like, yeah, I'm gonna get
jacked as fuck. And then you go to the gym.
You look, but you. Just lift the bar.
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Yeah, you go in and then you go,oh, I'm actually weak as pissed.
And then? Motivation's done.
Yeah, but it's the those types of motives, they're very
powerful, like they do. You can feel those types of
motives, like they just feel so strong.
And you it's the locker room hype.
Yeah, the locker room hype talk,it's like, you know, they when
when that guy gives the locker room talk, you're like, yeah,
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let's fucking go. You bash your helmet, you run
out, five minutes in, you're winded again and you're like
like, like now you've almost forgotten what he said.
You're just reacting now on instinct.
So they're they're very short lived because as soon as you
forget that thing that is sort of sparking that fire, the
motive goes. And I think that's what people
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mean, Like I haven't got the motivation.
They're wanting to feel that. And it's like, you know, again,
that is great in the short term,but you can't continue.
No one feels like that every single day.
Like when I'm walking downstairsto go into my gym, I'm not like,
I can't wait to get in there andjust start slinging.
Wait. If if anything, 70% of the time
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I'm like here we go again, but the motive is more of an
internal motive of this is how it makes me feel.
These are the long term benefitsthat I'm going to have.
This is what it brings to the table for me.
So I understand those things andthat is enough of a motive for
me to just get my ass in there time after time.
I also, I don't know what it is I enjoy about training, but I
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obviously enjoy something. Yeah, I I'm motivated by the
idea of getting through suffering like and so like
especially with like if you if you're doing not that I do a lot
of it now but like the those longer like cardio workouts or
like mat cons where they just suck.
Yeah, like your lungs are on fire.
You. Feel like you get 3 minutes in
and it's horrible and I've got 25 minutes of this.
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Yeah, like, you know, I, I quitelike that feeling of just like
in enduring the, the suck. But I, I've always been more
motivated by like the, the like avoiding the negative thing.
And, and so it's like I, I love,like training has never been a
problem for me because I love training.
Like even if I'm really tired, like I'm still motivated for the
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hour to go. But that's a very intrinsic
motive for sure. It's like you very much enjoy
the experience of of. Training never, never have I
like on the days that I don't want to go to the gym, I don't
psych myself up or move by myself by going like like, you
know what we were talking about like when you're you're older,
like the health benefits. I don't think about them as my
as my motive. My motive in my head is saying,
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well, if you don't go, you're a fucking loser.
And again, this is all my perception like this isn't
because there's no. That's mine as well.
Yeah, there's no arbitrary things, but it's like in my head
it would be like, well, you could be a fucking loser and
just be average. Like, yeah, don't go to the gym.
Just be pathetic and be normal. Be like everyone else that
doesn't bother. And then I'm like, well, I don't
want to be average. And I could look at it and say
objectively, I am not average. Whatever markers you want to
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look at, whether it's, you know,income, muscle mass, fitness,
whatever. Like I'm above average penis IQ,
penis size way down below average, but not average.
Yeah, so hey, I'm. Going to answer.
Too, if you if you look at all of it, it's like, yeah, you
know, I was, I was born in the South of Somerset, which already
puts you above the average, you know, in the, in the UK.
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And so whether you're looking atlike, you know, having a whole
family unit or whatever, like roof over your head, you know,
like all of that stuff, like you, you were born like with
privilege, above average. But in my head, I can view
average as like a lazy person that doesn't go to the gym, that
doesn't watch what they eat, that isn't disciplined, that
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isn't motivated. And I, I, I basically picture in
my head that version of me, which then makes me go, Oh,
like, I don't want to be that. And then I'll go to the gym.
Like I, I don't sit there and think of like, how good am I
going to look like after I do these workouts, You know, when
I'm 50 and, you know, playing with my grandkids and all this
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stuff, it's like, I don't think about that shit.
It's like, I don't want to be a fucking loser.
And so that that's enough to getme to get me to go.
Yeah, I'm the same as you. So like my motive for training.
So I don't really like training.And like I, I was saying to one
of my clients the other day, I was like, I can't remember the
last time I was like excited to go into the gym in like a
freezing garage, But I'm like, I'm motivated by not being out
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of shape, by being out of shape.Sorry, that's my motive.
And I remember like one of our clients, superhumans clients, he
brought a book outfit for wealthlike Chad Willison, shameless,
shameless plug. And he asked John and he asked
John to put a piece in there andhe literally said, and I
remember reading it and he was like, I'm insecure or some I'm
paraphrasing you. He was like, my insecurity is my
superpower. So he uses insecurity to get in
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the gym and lift weights. And I was like.
And that, that that's a motivation.
Motivation away from pain. Yeah.
Like when when you really break it down, it's like I'm, I'm
insecure about this thing. So I'm motivated to avoid
feeling that way by doing this. Thing, Yeah.
So you're either going away frompain or towards pleasure.
And I'm often more going from pain, Yeah, you know, and that's
OK. And it's, and it's a fabricated
pain. Yeah.
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Like it's like you can because this is what we talk about when
people are like, oh, I don't, I'm really not motivated.
And I'll, I'll make up pain in my head to move away from when
it's not really that when it, when it's like, you know, I, I
could not train for a year and probably still be in half decent
shape, but I can, I can build itup my head being like, if you
don't, you know, get this workerand you know, your fucking
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life's going to fall apart. And so you could like, you make
up stories and like, because that's what your, your brain is
very good at doing. And you can, you can, you can
get the same kind of locker roomhype kind of feeling the other
way where it's like, you know, your heart rate isn't up and
you're not fucking armed. But you're like, yeah, I really
don't want to be that person. So I'm going to go.
Do this well, basically psychopaths, you know like like
you're sitting down like you'll finish work at like 10:00 around
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and it's like you still go like 10,000 steps or somebody to do
and you're like if you don't do them, you're a pussy, right, I'm
not a pussy. I'm.
Going to go into go off you. Go this is like, because I think
like depending on who you talk to, they would say like, oh, you
shouldn't, you shouldn't rely onlike those negative emotions to
move. You used to do something, you
know, you should always try and find the positive and like, you
know, move towards pleasure. And it's like, you know, don't
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think about all the work. Think about, you know, how much,
how like, how much pleasure can you kind of like, you know,
chase and that kind of stuff. And my, and again, I'm not an
expert on it. I'm not a psychologist.
There's people far more intelligent than me on this
thing. But my view has always been
like, the only thing I care about is did you do it or not?
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Like did you do the actions thatrequire the thing?
I don't really give a fuck what the motivations were to do it.
Like if I, if I got a client andthey lost 100 lbs and, and they
did all the actions to lose it and they go, you know, the way
the way that I lost is £100 was I would get up in the morning
and look at myself in the mirrorand call myself a fat piece of
shit. And I'd go, I was like, well, it
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got the job done. Like, And then equally, if there
was another person that lost 100lbs, they said, you know, I got
up every day and I looked at myself in the mirror and I said,
you know, even if you, even if you don't do anything today,
like you're still worthy, you'restill awesome.
You know, you're great. And that made me feel good.
And then I would go to the gym and I would do it.
I'd say fucking great. Yeah.
Like you use what you need to use to get the job done.
Like, even if it was like, I hada bet with my friend for 50
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grand. And if I lost the weight, then
he was going to give me 50 grand.
I would do it then, yeah. Yeah.
So like, yeah, it's like you. Talk about motive you.
Like, I think that the goal is to find what motivates you.
Yeah, regardless of what it is, and then use it.
Yeah. And and that that motivator will
change throughout your life. Like maybe you have kids and now
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your motivator is like, I don't want to be a fat dad.
You know, I want my kids to lookup to me.
And now that motivates me. Prior to kids, it may be I'm
motivated to get laid and I wantto look good when I go out on
nights out. Like it, it will change.
But like you have to find the thing that starts the fire and
it's different for everyone. And this is where I don't like
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people saying like it's not motivation it's discipline bro.
It's like it's all motivation, like without motive like you do.
Nothing. Nothing.
Yeah. And that's where I think people
saying people's interpretation of motivation is that really
powerful, obvious motivation. But it's not every behaviour
will have a motive behind it. It's not just like you do it
just for the random sake of it. So it depends which way you look
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at motivation. Because some people will say,
oh, as like you said, they'll say it's discipline.
Like you build the habits and then you stick to the habit.
It's not regardless of the motivation, but it's like, well,
no, you, you need motive to actually build those habits up.
It's like it's not just. And you're not, you're not.
It's, it's not, I'm not motivated.
I'm disciplined. It's like, no, you're motivated
by being a disciplined individual.
Yes, and so. You like the idea of being
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someone who does things when they don't really want to do
them. That's your motivator.
So it's you're, you've still gota motive there.
It's not, I'm not at all. I'm disciplined.
It's like discipline is punishing yourself for not doing
something or breaking the rules.Like when you look at like
that's what, what the definitionof discipline is.
Like you discipline your children if they, if they step
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out of line. Like it's not like people are
whipping themselves across the back if they don't go to the
gym. Like that's what discipline
would be. But it's like, no, I'm, I'm
motivated by the idea of. When I don't feel like doing
something, I still do it. So then you are motivated to do
it. Like it's just like a bit of a
long winded. You're still motivated to.
Do the thing, yeah. Yeah, like it still comes around
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to it. Well, that's what happens when
we play those games in your head, right?
It's like, oh, am I going to be a little bitch or not?
It's like, well, I'm motivated by not being a little bitch.
Yeah, exactly. So you're motivated.
Yeah, you're motivated because I'm doing this thing when I
don't want to do it. Yeah, you know.
And it's this is where when you were talking about your
motivation will change over timeand different things will
motivate you. And this is where like different
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forms of motivation are better at short term and long term.
And there's a big continuum you've got like intrinsic right
down this end. Like a pure intrinsic is like, I
love the feeling of running. So when I, when I run, I just, I
love the feeling. If you moved like a little bit
down that continuum a tiny bit, it would be like, I don't love
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running, but I do love the feeling that it gives me after
like that's that that that's still, you know, very in
intrinsic. Then you've got things like some
of the stuff that you're talkingabout where it's like I, I
exercise because I don't want people to perceive me in a
certain manner. So there is some form of
external control there, but it'sstill very internal because you
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can manipulate the, the externalviewpoint from like within.
So you can see you're shifting further down the external.
But then when you go to like pure external, just like you
said about the 50 grand, like that's pure external because as
soon as they went, well, I'm notgoing to give you the 50 grand,
you go, well, fuck this off, it's gone.
And this is where like you'll often see like growing up, guys
go single and they're purely want to be in shape to increase
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their likelihood of getting laid.
So they start training their assoff, they get a missus, and then
it's like, oh, fuck gym membership.
And then they drop back out out of shape.
Whereas like for me, I do like to be physically appealing to
the opposite sex to some degree.Again, that's that's that's
limited somewhat by my genetics,but it's like, but I want my
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missus. I want my fiance to always have
that feeling for me. It's not like, oh, well, now
I've got it. Well, but I could just count it
off. But then you could argue you're
you're also intrinsically motivated to look a certain way
because let's just say Jess turned around and said, I really
hate muscles. Like I, I want you to be like,
you know, ribs and Dick, just skin and bone.
You'd go mainly ribs. Yeah.
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You'd be like, well, I like being jacked.
So I'm going to stay being jacked because.
Because you. Yeah, because you like it's,
it's a balance between the two. Yes.
So it's like and that's where you know you'll often see the
externals again. They're generally more powerful
in the short term. Like you can immediately
increase someone's motivation through a, an, an external
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source. So I could say we've booked a
photo shoot in six weeks time. You're literally from this
moment on are going to be motivated to execute these
behaviours. And I can guarantee your
adherence to your plan, your, your, your intensity in the gym
will skyrocket from this minute.But if I was like, I'm going to
try and increase his internal, which is much lot better, like
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long lasting, I'm going to try and change his identity to be
more aligned with fitness. So now when he is engaged in
fitness type behaviours, he is more incongruence with the
identity that he have. Like that's a, that's a, that's
a long change. Like we need to yeah, yeah, you
ain't doing that in six weeks. It's way easier to just ring up
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the photo shoot guy and be like,hey, we've got a photo shoot,
let's go. And I think people it's always
good like when someone wants to get in epic shape or like when
they book a vacation and they want to look good for the
vacation or they go into a wedding, they're all great, but
they're always short lived. And as soon as it's over, the
motivation declines off. So it's like what you the
problem you need to solve if you're one of those people, you
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need to find what's the more sustainable motive that's going
to keep you ticking over month after month after year after
year, because you can't solely rely on just those short
external motives to come in. They are good to be used.
Like one of my guys that I work with, with Supra, he's crushing
it year round pretty much. But he was like, I wouldn't mind
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really getting it, like just seeing what I can do.
Like let's just see how shreddedI can get.
And I was like, well, that mightnot be enough of a motive when
like the family come and visit and they and they get the beers
out and you haven't seen them for a while, just wanting to be
a bit sweated might not be strong enough to offset that the
environment you got there. But I said, if you book a photo
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shoot, I can guarantee you your motivation will offset that.
You're like, no, in four weeks time I got this and I want to
look a certain way. So it's like they are useful
tools to like maybe push things up a level.
But it's again, like for us, I got leaner for the photo shoot.
My gold year round at the minuteis just to walk around a little
bit leaner. My but my mote if someone
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offered me a slice of pizza lastnight with some hot honey on it,
I didn't turn it down. I didn't turn it down at all.
I was like, yeah, go on it. But if I had a photo shoot
coming up, I definitely would have turned that down.
So it's like my motive at the moment is a little bit lower,
but it's more sustainable than the photo shoot is because you
know, tomorrow it's going to be the same Saturday, it's going to
be the same Monday, it's going to be the same.
So there are these these different forms of motivation
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that you can have and you can you can utilize them to get
different outcomes. Again, like bodybuilding, you've
both competed like that was probably the leanest you've been
in your life. Yeah, yeah.
And it's because you booked thatshow, that event that you
haven't. Got the rest of and again, it's
like you're not. I wasn't even motivated to win.
I was motivated to not be out ofplace on stage and look like,
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oh, who the fuck is this guy that's not ready.
Yeah, like that's the thing thatyou think of is like, what if I
get up there and I'm not ready? Yeah.
And like you're dead last. Yeah, yeah.
It's like, yeah, you're not, you're not motivated to win.
You're motivated to not come last.
Yeah. And and then if you do, you're
like, oh, amazing. But it's like, I'm just, you're
not, you're not even happy that you won.
You're relieved. Yeah, Yeah, right.
Yeah, that was the thing for thephoto shoot that we did for the
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superhuman event. It's like I was motivated by not
being fat. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was the pressure of like,
what everyone else is coming. Yeah, I need to.
We want to. Turn It's like we got a
photographer the best in the flying in from LA across the
boatload of my I can't be out ofshape.
That was what I was thinking. Especially when, like, you know,
we're like leaders of the coaching department as well.
It's like you rock up, you know,with a fucking keg.
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Cafe He's turned up full sumo. Offseason shape.
I'm like, oh God, we've got. Crumbs on his chest.
He was literally eating prior tothe shoot.
Is that is that powdered sugar? But yeah, so yeah, I like, I
think there's, I definitely wouldn't dismiss because I think
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people will look at like extrinsic moments as like
shallow. And it's like, no, no, it has to
come from within. It's like again going back to
like you use what you need to use to get the job done.
It's just extrinsic ones can be very hard to maintain long term.
Where whereas. I think I fizzle real fast.
But then also, I think intrinsicare slow burners where initially
they're not great because you know, when you talk about, you
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know, like becoming that identity and being motivated by
being that person. When you start off on this kind
of journey, if you haven't done it before, you suck like like
any new skill, you're bad at it.It's not motivating to do.
When you suck at something like some people, you know, they're
really motivated by when they suck at something they love,
they they're motivated by progress.
And so that's like a big internal driver.
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Sense, sense of achievement, yeah, I'm.
Really motivated by just by being better than I was last
week. But then I think initially out
of the gate like extrinsic motivate is a, a quick way to
kind of get stuck in. And then I think like I, I would
view it as like the extrinsic are like the antidepressants and
the intrinsic is the therapy where it's like that's the,
that's the long thing that's going to create the.
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Change. But it's like sometimes like you
need a bit of both and and I think there's that ratio just
changes over time. Extrinsic gets things going
right and then obviously whilst you're, whilst you're getting
things going, you work on the internal motivation as you go
along. Yeah.
You know, yeah, perfect. This is where when you think of
a program like the one we run, you've got the initial motive is
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somewhat external. Let's just say again, it's going
to vary person to person, but they've dropped the money on the
program and it's like I need to make the most of this money
because I've just dropped a goodamount of money on this program
to take my life. So that is an external form of
control that they've handed overmoney to help increase their
motivation to now start doing their behaviors.
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Then as they start to get into the program, they've got an
accountability from a coach. So they've got someone who,
again, even if they don't reallywant to do it themselves, they
know that they're going to let you down somewhat if they don't
do it and you've told them that you want to do it.
So there's still a level of external control there, but it's
somewhat shifted a little bit more towards the intrinsic side
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because there is an emotional task, but there from within and
you don't let them down. And so now it's like, OK, but
then as they start to get in better shape and they start to
get in better shape and we startto have these conversations,
then they start to get recognized when they go to
events. Oh, like one of my guys this
week, like, he was like me. I've had so many people come up
to me and be like, you look awesome.
What the hell are you doing? And he's like, Oh, well, you
know, I've, I've been doing this.
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And then he starts like, oh, well, I'm people are starting to
view me as now this the fit, thefirst, the fit guy.
And they'll say things like, Oh,he's not going out a few beers
tonight because he's the, he's only any like fitness.
But that's like reinforcing I amthis fitness guy.
And now he's like, because you are this fitness guy, you view
yourself as a fitness guy when you're in, in the gym training,
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it feels good because you're like, it's, it's reinforcing
this identity that you actually have.
You're almost like living by your own moral code.
It's like, oh, this, this feels good.
So now throughout this like process of being on the program,
you've started off with the extrinsic, which is short lived,
but it was enough to get the engine going.
And now what we've done, we've changed your identity in a way
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that is now supportive with thatmore intrinsic form of motive,
which then when you eventually leave the program, it's like
he's he's done, like he's now ready to go and he's going to
sail off into the sunset. So I got a good example of that.
So with like, our guys where they always got like business
meetings and things to talk about motivations.
Like one of the things to do is like tell the people you're with
you're not going to drink because you're holding yourself
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accountable through your own word through them because like,
you'd want to be the person to be known.
Like, you don't keep the word toyourself.
Yeah. And then eventually over time,
like you said, Terry, it's like the people are like, oh, he's
not gonna drink. He's on this program or
whatever. He's like, Oh yeah, I am the
person that don't drink because I'm going training first thing
in the morning. So I'll say tell him I'm not
drinking because I'm going to the gym at 5:00 AM.
And eventually you become known as that person then, you know,
but it's a great way to hold yourself accountable because if
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I say something to someone, there is no way I'm not doing
that thing. So it's like, Oh my God, I'm
keeping the word to myself. Yes, I remember there there was
a guy in the UK and he he lost like 200 lbs or something and he
he basically is his best friend held him accountable by texting
him every morning, calling him afat C word just every every
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morning and he goes and he's like until he lost £200 he would
text me every morning calling melike a fat.
I'm not going to say it on the. Podcast, but it starts with C
rhymes with. Punt.
Yeah. And and that was the, the
external motor layer and it, youknow, 2 words from a, from a
friend that he needed. And so like best friend, yeah,
yeah. But like.
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It was one of my mates, his misses father used to put there
was an article of this big fat person in like the newspaper,
like they were like 400 lbs big and it was like that article was
them like with this big big or whatever.
And he stuck it on the inside ofthe biscuit cupboard.
So as you know, when the biscuitgoing, you look at you're like,
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shall I have like do I want to be that?
It's that little reminder and it's it's.
You don't realise little things like that seem trivial, but
like, we'll say to our clients, put reminders on your phone, put
post it notes on the cupboard because like, it's one more
barrier before you get to the biscuit team.
Yeah, yeah. It's like it's those obstacles.
Alarms on your phone, anything you don't realise how much of a
big impact they have. Because that's the, that's the
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other thing worth talking about is because we talk about a lot
like your, your environment, where when, when you like say
to, you know, if people say to people like, oh, you just need
to want it more. You just need to be more
motivated. And things.
We look at it as like, how do wemake it as easy as possible for
you to do the thing that we wantyou to do?
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And how do we make it as hard aspossible for you to do other
things which aren't conducive. So then it's almost like if you
don't have anything in your house but lean proteins, fruits,
vegetables, you know, fucking calorie free drinks like
whatever and no junk, you don't really need to be motivated to
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eat those foods. You just have to be hungry.
And so then because then you need more motivation to go and
buy shit food. And it's like, now the barrier
to get the shit food is I have to put my shoes on.
I have to drive to the shop or like at minimum I have to go
DoorDash and order it something on my phone versus there's fruit
on the side. And then you flip that and say
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you've got no healthy food in the house, but you've got Oreos,
pastries, you know, the, the fridge is empty.
So it's easier to go to DoorDashthan to go grocery shopping.
Like in, in that situation, yeah, you do have to be
motivated to stick to your plan because you need to go and do a
bunch of things. But people just like they they
use willpower unnecessarily. Like, like it's infinite and
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it's not it's finite. And so if I think, well, how do
I make it as easy as possible tostick to my plan?
I have all my meals already prepped, all I have to do is go
in the fridge, put them in a frying pan and warm them up or
in the microwave. Job done.
Like and I I know for a fact if I don't have meat prepped in the
fridge like cooked, the likelihood of me following my
plan for the rest of the day immediately drops to like 20%.
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Yeah, like where is your motive is the same?
Yeah, my motivation is the same,but it's like if, if I can, I
don't even have to think about it.
I can just go to the fridge and go steak, rice, done.
Those are the most successful. It's not how much willpower they
have. It's like the best environment
that's most conducive. Ho, Mosey said.
And I, one of one of my favoritethings that he, I don't know if
it came from him or if he got itfrom someone else.
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One of the favorite things I heard him say when people say
like, you know, you can lead a horse to walk, but you can't
make a drink. And he goes, well, if I built a
wall around that horse and I left it out in the sun and I
starved it, I bet I could make it drink.
And which is the whole point to say, if you rig the environment,
you can get the action. And and that's what people need
to do is like, you need to like metaphorically starve yourself
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of the junk food. Get a gym membership that's
close to your house. Make it as convenient as
possible. Get your gym kit out ready to go
in the morning. Set it on the other side of the
room. Set your alarm on the other side
of the room. So it's like your, your day is
almost like you, you don't even have to think.
You just do versus like, Oh, I didn't set an alarm.
My gym clothes are still at the back of the cupboard.
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The gym's 25 minutes away. You know, I don't have the food
in my fridge. You're like, ah, fuck it, I'm
going to sleep in. Like the amount of extra
motivation that you need to do that when you don't set up your
environment is a lot more. And So what you, like you said,
when you look at the most successful people, they're not
the most motivated. They've just managed to rig the
game. Like you said, I've got my home
gym. So now even if I'm really pushed
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on time, it's even easier for meto get some kind of work out in.
Yeah, and but then that's not free.
Like the price you pay is you bought gym equipment.
I I, I couldn't get the upgrade on the car.
Yeah, like I have to you. You made sure that when you
bought this house that it had a garage so you could get gym
equipment. Like there is a price to pay for
it. But then you're willing to say
like, well, it's worth it to me to be able to change my
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environment so I can do this easier.
Yeah, I was saying to like a client.
The other I was like, I'm not the most motivated person, but
like if I had Oreos in my house,I would eat the Oreos.
But like I don't have them in myhouse.
And I have a gym downstairs in my garage.
I have a walking pad like in my office.
So it's really difficult not to do the things I want to do.
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I'm quite hard to do the things that I shouldn't really be doing
if I want to stay in shape. Yeah, I think people are waiting
for this moment where, like, maybe now they identify as the
fit person and they no longer want to eat Oreos or pizza.
And they love chicken and rice. And they, you know, they don't,
they're not motivated to do anything outside of, you know,
being this crazy productive person.
And I think it's just false. I think you're always going to
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want to eat the Oreos. You're always going to like
pizza. You're always going to want to
have a cocktail. That's fine.
Like you just set up your environment so those things are
limited. Like there's there's, you know,
there's never going to be a day where like you're like, I don't
eat Oreos anymore. That's just not what I want to
do. It's like you're you're always
going to be tempted by them. Yeah.
And that's fine. Yeah.
But you can also say I am tempted by them, so I'm not
going to buy them. Yeah.
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Like. And also your ability to deal
with those temptations goes up as well.
You know, you can tolerate, you can tolerate them a lot more,
Yeah. But it's like, again, I think
people are just waiting for thislike moment where they're like,
I no longer crave sugar like or sweet foods.
And you know, cereal now tastes terrible to me and all I want to
eat is organic grass fed beef and it's like it's never going.
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To as long as you're human, that's not going.
To be the case, yeah. Like we're, we're attracted to
nice things like and that. That's fine.
And Donuts are nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's like you often hear me say is your behaviour will be
dictated between the balance of your motivation and your and
your environment. And they're always going to
fluctuate. Your environment will change
from time to time and then your motivation will change from time
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to time. And that's almost going to
dictate the behaviours that you do.
But if you're, and you basicallyI always, the way I word it is
you need 100% of both. So for example, if you've got a
high motive, like the bodybuilding show, you could,
you could have been put in a terrible environment because
you've got like 99% motive. Even if your environment was a
one, you still would have got itdone.
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I could literally put a cookie here and you just be like
whatever, like it like literallydoesn't matter.
So you've got the worst environment, but the motive is
very high. The other end of that would be
like if you didn't even want to lose weight at all, but you
lived on a desert island with nofood, you're still going to lose
weight because the environment has so much control irregardless
of of like the motive. So your life is likely going to
fluctuate somewhat between the the 70% and the 20%.
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In general, it's going to start doing this because not many
people have got that really powerful motive.
I'm not many people that live ona desert island either.
So it is going to sort of go from time to time.
So if you find yourself in a position whereby your motivation
is not quite good enough at the moment to get the job done, OK.
Well, trying to increase my motivation can be quite
difficult. You could leverage an
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accountability partner. If it's a gym, you get a
training partner that you got togo to.
You could bring in a coach or you can try and manipulate the
environment, which makes it easier.
It's your choice. You can try and manipulate the
motive or you can manipulate theenvironment.
As long as you match that 100% again, you're going to get the
behaviors done. So it's a very, this is where
when people like my motivation is low, it's like, well, okay,
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maybe your motivation at the time was sufficient and now the
environment has changed, like your workload has gone up pretty
drastically. So now your current level of
motivation is not good enough todeal with the environment that
you've got at the moment. So what are you going to do?
Are you going to change the environment?
Are you going to reduce the workload?
Are you going to make it easier to get the training done?
Are you going to make it easier to get the diet nailed?
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Or are you going to book a photoshoot?
Are you going to book a vacation?
Are you going to you know what, what are you going to do?
You need to, you need to manipulate one of them to make
sure you're back up to that 100%because as of right now, you've
dropped down some. Yeah, yeah.
I would, I would, I would alwayscoin it like motivation
threshold, but you have to reachthe threshold like regardless of
what it's comprised of, you haveto hit that threshold to do the
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thing. And your your goal is to make up
the difference. However, however you need to,
whether it's like you said, environment, friends, intrinsic,
extrinsic. Yeah, what you want, Yeah.
And it it is that, you know, youguys, you guys were saying it
then there is evidence, like there's literally scientific
evidence to show that. People who do get a lot of the
stuff done, the motivation differences between the two is
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not normally that great. It's not like one person scored
super high on this motivation test and this person scored
super low in general. They're like, wow, 1 might be a
little bit more than the other one, but what the people who do
consistently get the work done is their motivation is much,
much better than the other person's.
It's like, again, you'll, you'llsee how often do you see a Baker
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who is his career is to make cakes is overweight.
Like look at the environment, like it's so tough.
He's getting that willpower. Battery is getting drained day
after day after day. There's leftover cake.
He would physically have to throw away his product, then go
buy other food. So now he's throwing money away,
spending more money just to eat where he can go.
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Well, I could just eat what's left.
It's like there's so many thingsthat are going to be hard for.
Get a free meal. Yeah.
It's like, well, I can either avoid like not eat this food and
then have to spend the money which I've just made on other
food, or I can eat the meal. So it's it's like you can,
again, if you probably look at the average BMI or body
composition of someone that works at McDonald's, it's not
great. Probably higher than Subway.
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But then, yeah. But then you also understand
that it's like, well, then, you know, you're a young kid and you
need a job. And it's like, you completely
get it. Like, I understand it, but that
doesn't change the facts that you are going to need more
motivation than someone that doesn't work at McDonald's.
Like, yeah. I think one of the biggest
examples I've seen since workingwith like obviously clients is
that when someone's activity is very low and obviously they're
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very busy and then they put a walk in pad in their house,
they're like steps or we track activity with steps.
It's like doubled. I've seen people go from like
8000 to like 16. It's incredible.
And that's just one change of someone's environment.
And even still, like some of these people are on like Zoom
calls, like if you can walk lastyear on a Zoom call, yeah, you
rack up an hour. That's what's the 7000 steps or.
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Yeah, you just have to rig the game.
Yeah, I rigged your environment.I was like, anytime you have a
meeting that's not on Zoom and you can be on the phone, I said
walk on your treadmill. Yeah.
And then so now it's like if hisphone rings, he gets on the
treadmill because he's like, I'mso used to walking and talking.
So it's like that's how he accumulates.
That's habit stacking, isn't now, he's told every time I
answer the phone. Walk on the treadmill.
Yeah, game changer. Rigging the environment is key.
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So, yeah, I think if you're if you're in that kind of limbo now
where you're you're not feeling motivated like one, understand
that you're probably not going to feel it.
It's not going to be like a physical feeling.
But look at that kind of that threshold.
Look at what it's comprised of right now and then look at
things like environment, intrinsic extrinsic pain,
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pleasure and figure out a way tohit that threshold and always
revisit it. And when you start to see kind
of your, your actions change, revisit and say, am I hitting
that threshold? And then maybe I need to change
something? But either way, you have to get,
you have to hit that threshold in order to take action.
But also, guys, be sure to like and subscribe on YouTube,
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I'm John Matson, Superhuman CEO,reminding you to always go get
what's yours.
Yeah, try and get laid anyway. Yeah, Motivation, Motivation.
Right, let's get to it. You'll hear a lot.
Motivation is overrated. Basically psychopaths, you'll
finish work at like 10:00 or evidence that you still got like
10,000 steps or somebody to do and you're like don't do them
you're. Right, I'm not going to go and
do it. There was an article of this big
fat person in like the newspaperand he stuck it on the inside of
(00:23):
the biscuit cupboard. My motive in my head is saying.
What you often hear me say is your behaviour will be dictated
between the balance of your motivation and and your
environment. I'm Ryan Stevens.
Doctor Taylor Waters, I'm Ben Oliver.
Welcome to the Superhuman show, Yeah?
(00:45):
Welcome to the Superhuman show with your hosts.
But I was just. I just might go straight to you.
Forget about me, Ryan Stevens, Taylor Waters.
Doctor Taylor. Waters the doc.
The doc. Although according to Instagram,
you're not a real doctor, No. Yeah, based on one of the
comments, yeah, but that makes me laugh because I, I think
(01:06):
most, I say most people, a lot of people don't know that if you
have a PhD, then you are a doctor.
Technically, you're not a physician, No, But you are like
you, you are allowed to legally put Dr. as your yeah, I don't
want to say pronouns then John, John will ban the show.
But like you're allowed to put doctor in front of your name.
(01:26):
But. I went, I went to anything in 10
years. Yeah, he's.
Like, sorry, but you're not a real doctor.
Yeah, look at you. Yeah.
I was. I was, yeah.
If, if I walked into a medical doctor's office and saw me,
yeah, I'd be pretty. I'd be like, what the fuck have
I got to deal with here? Fine.
But in my office, in the fitnessworld, yeah.
(01:49):
I'm the dog. Yeah.
But anyway, so today we're goingto be talking about how to
optimize your motivation. So I mean, Taylor, this is
definitely your wheelhouse because you won't shut the fuck
up about. It so I suffer from low.
Motivation. You'd see the motivation or
fibre. What do you?
Think that guy's motivation was just putting that comment to
(02:12):
you, that you wasn't a real doctor?
Oh, God. Make himself feel better, Yeah.
Yeah, 100%. It's really weird, isn't it?
Like even the other guy when he just, he just wanted to throw a
dig in and it was, I can't remember.
He, he was, he's, he's been trolling John and Nineveh for
like a year since his application for coaching got
(02:32):
denied by me. I love that he's.
Like bagging it like you you applied for a job.
Here yeah and then and then it like got to the point where like
I was commenting back and I never normally bite and then and
he basically was said like, you know, I'm not interested in
talking to the to the low paying, mid, mid level Lloyd
abusing manager and I said so why did you comment on his page
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then? And he was like, oh, you got me
there. It's like right, like it was
just, it was just ridiculous. But it it makes me laugh because
like I would, I would never in amillion years comment something
negative on someone's post, but I look at posts and I think
that's that's fucking stupid. What?
What a Dick. I still don't say anything.
I think that 80%. Of the time, but I I wouldn't
say anything because it's like it's not, it's not my business.
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You know, time to do it. Yeah, yeah, but but yeah, crap.
Anyway, one of the comments basically was was digging Taylor
out for not being a real doctor but.
I've never been and I've never, I've been, I've never thought
that I would be offended by someone trying to diss the fact
that I've got a PhD. It's one of the best things I've
ever done. Yeah, give me a break, mate.
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Very. It it.
It's very hard to get offended though, by someone.
I did click on his profile and he had drawings of like naked
cats in his, in his, in his Instagram.
And I was like, well, quite hardto be offended by someone.
Really. I swear there was like a picture
of like Putin in there or something.
It was. It was really random.
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You seem like a rogue character,so I'm not going to take
whatever you have to say personally.
Yeah, like, I I think it's Laylaspoke about this, Layla Homosi,
and she was like, if if the person trolling you, if they
don't have the life you want or anything that you want, then why
do you care? Oh God.
Like it's just there. There's just no relevance to it.
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But. You often, you often only get
offended anyway, like if there'ssome truth to it, like we know
you're a doctor and she's like. Yeah, because you said.
Something you said something else as well, didn't he?
That was like completely false. Well, they they try and claim
that what we're doing is not true.
Like, yeah, like, yeah, it's a scam.
So like, we're not actually coaching all these people.
The business is not actually booming.
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And I was like, look, you can think what you want.
Yeah. We're going to keep changing
people's lives week after week, taking over the game, putting
out the best service out there. And you can sit and watch and
you can commented, but we're going to still keep doing what
we're doing anyway. And it's like when you say that,
it's like my day doesn't change.I still wake up and I still do
the same thing and you're. Still going to put a doctor in
front of you? And I'm still going to, but if
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you said. To that guy, like what evidence
would you need for you to admit that you're wrong about this
being a scam? And I bet he wouldn't be able to
give you an answer. And it's like, well then there's
no point arguing then because you've you've literally just
accepted that there is 0 possibility that you're going to
change your mind. Even if like there is something
you're objectively staring at you, you're not going to accept
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it. It's more like he hopes it's not
the case because they'll make him feel better about his own
decisions. It's all it is.
It's easier to accept your own your own sort of level if you're
Oh well, anything above me is isyou know is fake.
That's not true that persons notcrushing it.
So then you feel better about yourself.
Yeah, because like again, I think one of the guys who can't,
I saw his, his, his client base and his sort of training profile
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and like, yeah, you know, it was, it was pretty, pretty
substandard. And it's like, well, I would
feel if I was him, yeah, lookingat us, yeah, I would have a
little bit of resentment as well.
That's why you play for a job with.
Us yeah, but I probably still wouldn't comment.
I would go, I'm going to try andtry and work a little bit
harder, see if maybe I'll try and apply and do a good
application and try and get my, my, my head in that, in that
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team as well and see if I can sort of fit in.
Like, rather than just be like, you know, commenting on, on my,
my outfit or something. I've seen all the ones about
John shit like me. You're a you're a 45 year old
bloke concerned about what another man's wearing as a shit
I think. I think I said the first comment
that I said to that guy that waslike throwing shade at John.
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I was like, I think I said like,do you, do you teach your kids
to troll other grown-ups like other grown men and women like
you have done for the last year?Like do do you think that that's
like an awesome behaviour to teach your kids?
And then I just wrote grow up. Like, but like he didn't he, he
never brought up those points because he knew that it's like,
yeah, it's a really shitty thing.
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Like it's just, it's such a, it's such a bizarre that I
always, I always laugh because there's, there's a really old
movie called Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, which is like an
old, like just Stoner movie. Like dude, where's my car kind
of thing. And basically the, the gist of
the movie was someone's has seenthem standing out of a shop like
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being idiots and they decided tobase a movie on them.
And then the movie ends up making millions.
And the whole movie, the whole movie is about them finding the
guy that made the movie being like, what the fuck?
You owe us royalties because youtook out characters.
They end up getting loads of money and then they realise
throughout the movie they go onto like a web forum with loads
of people saying like Jay and Silent Bob suck a bag of Dicks.
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Like they're just like, and they're like, who the fuck are
these people? And then so at the end when they
get their money, they're like, we could buy a lot of plane
tickets. And then so they just it's like
fly and then just knocking on a door.
Teenage kid opens the door and he's like, do you go by ass
Master 3000 on this phone? He's like, yeah, he goes, did
you say Jay can suck my big fat Dick?
And he's like, yeah. And he goes, let's go.
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And just, they just fly around and beat and shit out of people.
But like, it makes me laugh because it's like if, if, if,
you know, if any of these peopletrolled and say like John or
something saw him in the street and was like, and John said,
Hey, like, you know, come, come say what you were saying online.
Like to my face, Not that John'sviolent or anything, but like
just come sit. And they'd be like, oh, no, I
didn't mean it. No, no, I love, I love you guys.
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And it's like, it's like, right.Well, shut the fuck up then.
That was the first time I've ever entertained any of like the
hate will get online. And the first one, it started
off like you guys are a bunch ofscammers or whatever it was.
And after like four or five messes back and forth, he
actually was like, you know, youguys are all right.
Yeah, I know. Like, so why?
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So why did you reach out and andreach out with that message?
And then another guy. So me and this guy were sort of
going back and forth. I think he was a guy we were
talking about earlier. And then my natural thing when I
respond on Insta, I always like the the message and then I
reply. I heart the message reply.
And I was heart in this guy's message to reply.
And then I was but he wasn't heart in mine.
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He was just replying to mine. And another guy called and did
like, no one likes your messages.
And I was like, if you're over the age of 12 and you've just
messaged that, like I can almostguarantee you're a complete
loser. A completely, if you're like a,
a 30 year old bloke and you've got no one likes your messages,
like you're most definitely a virgin and very good chance
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you're a complete loser. So then I, I, I said those exact
words. I said if you are over the age
of 12 and you've just messaged this, you're a complete loser
and then another bloke commentedunderneath.
And it's like you're calling, you're calling guys 12 year.
Old. You're calling a 12 year old a
loser. I was like, no, no, no, no.
So not only are you a complete loser, you're also stupid.
I said if you're over the age of12, you're a complete loser.
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And then I was just like, why amI responding to these morons?
You, you. Yeah, I I bet.
I mean, trap. They're there with their rod.
And I like this fish just like hanging off the end of it.
Yeah, you just like literally assoon as I comment I was like,
why did I buy? He's.
Like why you feel afterwards? Beating myself up, being like
you, stupid to that. Level it's like that's what they
want is the gay to response. Like the best way to beat them
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is just don't respond. Yeah, don't even, don't even
like it. Don't even respond.
Just. Yeah, they're definitely lonely,
like, because again, I'm, I'm too busy doing other stuff.
There's too much going on in my life to to sit there and comment
on random people's stuff. So.
But if they're doing it, you canimagine they haven't got much
going on. They're probably quite lonely.
So if you just give them some attention to them, that's like,
oh, that's interaction. Exactly what I was looking for.
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Yeah. Try and get laid.
Yeah. Anyway, motivation, motivation,
right, Let's get to it. Cool.
So from you know, you'll hear a lot motivation is overrated.
And I think yeah, it depends which way you look at it because
motivation, I think a lot of people see motivation as this
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like super powerful emotion thatthey get in order to conduct a
behavior. So say now you've just watched
Ronnie Coleman promo video of him lifting some big ass weights
and you go, yeah, you know what,I'm going to lift some weights
like and it is quite powerful. You're like, yeah, I'm gonna get
jacked as fuck. And then you go to the gym.
You look, but you. Just lift the bar.
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Yeah, you go in and then you go,oh, I'm actually weak as pissed.
And then? Motivation's done.
Yeah, but it's the those types of motives, they're very
powerful, like they do. You can feel those types of
motives, like they just feel so strong.
And you it's the locker room hype.
Yeah, the locker room hype talk,it's like, you know, they when
when that guy gives the locker room talk, you're like, yeah,
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let's fucking go. You bash your helmet, you run
out, five minutes in, you're winded again and you're like
like, like now you've almost forgotten what he said.
You're just reacting now on instinct.
So they're they're very short lived because as soon as you
forget that thing that is sort of sparking that fire, the
motive goes. And I think that's what people
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mean, Like I haven't got the motivation.
They're wanting to feel that. And it's like, you know, again,
that is great in the short term,but you can't continue.
No one feels like that every single day.
Like when I'm walking downstairsto go into my gym, I'm not like,
I can't wait to get in there andjust start slinging.
Wait. If if anything, 70% of the time
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I'm like here we go again, but the motive is more of an
internal motive of this is how it makes me feel.
These are the long term benefitsthat I'm going to have.
This is what it brings to the table for me.
So I understand those things andthat is enough of a motive for
me to just get my ass in there time after time.
I also, I don't know what it is I enjoy about training, but I
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obviously enjoy something. Yeah, I I'm motivated by the
idea of getting through suffering like and so like
especially with like if you if you're doing not that I do a lot
of it now but like the those longer like cardio workouts or
like mat cons where they just suck.
Yeah, like your lungs are on fire.
You. Feel like you get 3 minutes in
and it's horrible and I've got 25 minutes of this.
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Yeah, like, you know, I, I quitelike that feeling of just like
in enduring the, the suck. But I, I've always been more
motivated by like the, the like avoiding the negative thing.
And, and so it's like I, I love,like training has never been a
problem for me because I love training.
Like even if I'm really tired, like I'm still motivated for the
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hour to go. But that's a very intrinsic
motive for sure. It's like you very much enjoy
the experience of of. Training never, never have I
like on the days that I don't want to go to the gym, I don't
psych myself up or move by myself by going like like, you
know what we were talking about like when you're you're older,
like the health benefits. I don't think about them as my
as my motive. My motive in my head is saying,
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well, if you don't go, you're a fucking loser.
And again, this is all my perception like this isn't
because there's no. That's mine as well.
Yeah, there's no arbitrary things, but it's like in my head
it would be like, well, you could be a fucking loser and
just be average. Like, yeah, don't go to the gym.
Just be pathetic and be normal. Be like everyone else that
doesn't bother. And then I'm like, well, I don't
want to be average. And I could look at it and say
objectively, I am not average. Whatever markers you want to
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look at, whether it's, you know,income, muscle mass, fitness,
whatever. Like I'm above average penis IQ,
penis size way down below average, but not average.
Yeah, so hey, I'm. Going to answer.
Too, if you if you look at all of it, it's like, yeah, you
know, I was, I was born in the South of Somerset, which already
puts you above the average, you know, in the, in the UK.
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And so whether you're looking atlike, you know, having a whole
family unit or whatever, like roof over your head, you know,
like all of that stuff, like you, you were born like with
privilege, above average. But in my head, I can view
average as like a lazy person that doesn't go to the gym, that
doesn't watch what they eat, that isn't disciplined, that
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isn't motivated. And I, I, I basically picture in
my head that version of me, which then makes me go, Oh,
like, I don't want to be that. And then I'll go to the gym.
Like I, I don't sit there and think of like, how good am I
going to look like after I do these workouts, You know, when
I'm 50 and, you know, playing with my grandkids and all this
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stuff, it's like, I don't think about that shit.
It's like, I don't want to be a fucking loser.
And so that that's enough to getme to get me to go.
Yeah, I'm the same as you. So like my motive for training.
So I don't really like training.And like I, I was saying to one
of my clients the other day, I was like, I can't remember the
last time I was like excited to go into the gym in like a
freezing garage, But I'm like, I'm motivated by not being out
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of shape, by being out of shape.Sorry, that's my motive.
And I remember like one of our clients, superhumans clients, he
brought a book outfit for wealthlike Chad Willison, shameless,
shameless plug. And he asked John and he asked
John to put a piece in there andhe literally said, and I
remember reading it and he was like, I'm insecure or some I'm
paraphrasing you. He was like, my insecurity is my
superpower. So he uses insecurity to get in
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the gym and lift weights. And I was like.
And that, that that's a motivation.
Motivation away from pain. Yeah.
Like when when you really break it down, it's like I'm, I'm
insecure about this thing. So I'm motivated to avoid
feeling that way by doing this. Thing, Yeah.
So you're either going away frompain or towards pleasure.
And I'm often more going from pain, Yeah, you know, and that's
OK. And it's, and it's a fabricated
pain. Yeah.
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Like it's like you can because this is what we talk about when
people are like, oh, I don't, I'm really not motivated.
And I'll, I'll make up pain in my head to move away from when
it's not really that when it, when it's like, you know, I, I
could not train for a year and probably still be in half decent
shape, but I can, I can build itup my head being like, if you
don't, you know, get this workerand you know, your fucking
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life's going to fall apart. And so you could like, you make
up stories and like, because that's what your, your brain is
very good at doing. And you can, you can, you can
get the same kind of locker roomhype kind of feeling the other
way where it's like, you know, your heart rate isn't up and
you're not fucking armed. But you're like, yeah, I really
don't want to be that person. So I'm going to go.
Do this well, basically psychopaths, you know like like
you're sitting down like you'll finish work at like 10:00 around
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and it's like you still go like 10,000 steps or somebody to do
and you're like if you don't do them, you're a pussy, right, I'm
not a pussy. I'm.
Going to go into go off you. Go this is like, because I think
like depending on who you talk to, they would say like, oh, you
shouldn't, you shouldn't rely onlike those negative emotions to
move. You used to do something, you
know, you should always try and find the positive and like, you
know, move towards pleasure. And it's like, you know, don't
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think about all the work. Think about, you know, how much,
how like, how much pleasure can you kind of like, you know,
chase and that kind of stuff. And my, and again, I'm not an
expert on it. I'm not a psychologist.
There's people far more intelligent than me on this
thing. But my view has always been
like, the only thing I care about is did you do it or not?
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Like did you do the actions thatrequire the thing?
I don't really give a fuck what the motivations were to do it.
Like if I, if I got a client andthey lost 100 lbs and, and they
did all the actions to lose it and they go, you know, the way
the way that I lost is £100 was I would get up in the morning
and look at myself in the mirrorand call myself a fat piece of
shit. And I'd go, I was like, well, it
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got the job done. Like, And then equally, if there
was another person that lost 100lbs, they said, you know, I got
up every day and I looked at myself in the mirror and I said,
you know, even if you, even if you don't do anything today,
like you're still worthy, you'restill awesome.
You know, you're great. And that made me feel good.
And then I would go to the gym and I would do it.
I'd say fucking great. Yeah.
Like you use what you need to use to get the job done.
Like, even if it was like, I hada bet with my friend for 50
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grand. And if I lost the weight, then
he was going to give me 50 grand.
I would do it then, yeah. Yeah.
So like, yeah, it's like you. Talk about motive you.
Like, I think that the goal is to find what motivates you.
Yeah, regardless of what it is, and then use it.
Yeah. And and that that motivator will
change throughout your life. Like maybe you have kids and now
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your motivator is like, I don't want to be a fat dad.
You know, I want my kids to lookup to me.
And now that motivates me. Prior to kids, it may be I'm
motivated to get laid and I wantto look good when I go out on
nights out. Like it, it will change.
But like you have to find the thing that starts the fire and
it's different for everyone. And this is where I don't like
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people saying like it's not motivation it's discipline bro.
It's like it's all motivation, like without motive like you do.
Nothing. Nothing.
Yeah. And that's where I think people
saying people's interpretation of motivation is that really
powerful, obvious motivation. But it's not every behaviour
will have a motive behind it. It's not just like you do it
just for the random sake of it. So it depends which way you look
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at motivation. Because some people will say,
oh, as like you said, they'll say it's discipline.
Like you build the habits and then you stick to the habit.
It's not regardless of the motivation, but it's like, well,
no, you, you need motive to actually build those habits up.
It's like it's not just. And you're not, you're not.
It's, it's not, I'm not motivated.
I'm disciplined. It's like, no, you're motivated
by being a disciplined individual.
Yes, and so. You like the idea of being
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someone who does things when they don't really want to do
them. That's your motivator.
So it's you're, you've still gota motive there.
It's not, I'm not at all. I'm disciplined.
It's like discipline is punishing yourself for not doing
something or breaking the rules.Like when you look at like
that's what, what the definitionof discipline is.
Like you discipline your children if they, if they step
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out of line. Like it's not like people are
whipping themselves across the back if they don't go to the
gym. Like that's what discipline
would be. But it's like, no, I'm, I'm
motivated by the idea of. When I don't feel like doing
something, I still do it. So then you are motivated to do
it. Like it's just like a bit of a
long winded. You're still motivated to.
Do the thing, yeah. Yeah, like it still comes around
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to it. Well, that's what happens when
we play those games in your head, right?
It's like, oh, am I going to be a little bitch or not?
It's like, well, I'm motivated by not being a little bitch.
Yeah, exactly. So you're motivated.
Yeah, you're motivated because I'm doing this thing when I
don't want to do it. Yeah, you know.
And it's this is where when you were talking about your
motivation will change over timeand different things will
motivate you. And this is where like different
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forms of motivation are better at short term and long term.
And there's a big continuum you've got like intrinsic right
down this end. Like a pure intrinsic is like, I
love the feeling of running. So when I, when I run, I just, I
love the feeling. If you moved like a little bit
down that continuum a tiny bit, it would be like, I don't love
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running, but I do love the feeling that it gives me after
like that's that that that's still, you know, very in
intrinsic. Then you've got things like some
of the stuff that you're talkingabout where it's like I, I
exercise because I don't want people to perceive me in a
certain manner. So there is some form of
external control there, but it'sstill very internal because you
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can manipulate the, the externalviewpoint from like within.
So you can see you're shifting further down the external.
But then when you go to like pure external, just like you
said about the 50 grand, like that's pure external because as
soon as they went, well, I'm notgoing to give you the 50 grand,
you go, well, fuck this off, it's gone.
And this is where like you'll often see like growing up, guys
go single and they're purely want to be in shape to increase
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their likelihood of getting laid.
So they start training their assoff, they get a missus, and then
it's like, oh, fuck gym membership.
And then they drop back out out of shape.
Whereas like for me, I do like to be physically appealing to
the opposite sex to some degree.Again, that's that's that's
limited somewhat by my genetics,but it's like, but I want my
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missus. I want my fiance to always have
that feeling for me. It's not like, oh, well, now
I've got it. Well, but I could just count it
off. But then you could argue you're
you're also intrinsically motivated to look a certain way
because let's just say Jess turned around and said, I really
hate muscles. Like I, I want you to be like,
you know, ribs and Dick, just skin and bone.
You'd go mainly ribs. Yeah.
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You'd be like, well, I like being jacked.
So I'm going to stay being jacked because.
Because you. Yeah, because you like it's,
it's a balance between the two. Yes.
So it's like and that's where you know you'll often see the
externals again. They're generally more powerful
in the short term. Like you can immediately
increase someone's motivation through a, an, an external
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source. So I could say we've booked a
photo shoot in six weeks time. You're literally from this
moment on are going to be motivated to execute these
behaviours. And I can guarantee your
adherence to your plan, your, your, your intensity in the gym
will skyrocket from this minute.But if I was like, I'm going to
try and increase his internal, which is much lot better, like
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long lasting, I'm going to try and change his identity to be
more aligned with fitness. So now when he is engaged in
fitness type behaviours, he is more incongruence with the
identity that he have. Like that's a, that's a, that's
a long change. Like we need to yeah, yeah, you
ain't doing that in six weeks. It's way easier to just ring up
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the photo shoot guy and be like,hey, we've got a photo shoot,
let's go. And I think people it's always
good like when someone wants to get in epic shape or like when
they book a vacation and they want to look good for the
vacation or they go into a wedding, they're all great, but
they're always short lived. And as soon as it's over, the
motivation declines off. So it's like what you the
problem you need to solve if you're one of those people, you
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need to find what's the more sustainable motive that's going
to keep you ticking over month after month after year after
year, because you can't solely rely on just those short
external motives to come in. They are good to be used.
Like one of my guys that I work with, with Supra, he's crushing
it year round pretty much. But he was like, I wouldn't mind
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really getting it, like just seeing what I can do.
Like let's just see how shreddedI can get.
And I was like, well, that mightnot be enough of a motive when
like the family come and visit and they and they get the beers
out and you haven't seen them for a while, just wanting to be
a bit sweated might not be strong enough to offset that the
environment you got there. But I said, if you book a photo
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shoot, I can guarantee you your motivation will offset that.
You're like, no, in four weeks time I got this and I want to
look a certain way. So it's like they are useful
tools to like maybe push things up a level.
But it's again, like for us, I got leaner for the photo shoot.
My gold year round at the minuteis just to walk around a little
bit leaner. My but my mote if someone
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offered me a slice of pizza lastnight with some hot honey on it,
I didn't turn it down. I didn't turn it down at all.
I was like, yeah, go on it. But if I had a photo shoot
coming up, I definitely would have turned that down.
So it's like my motive at the moment is a little bit lower,
but it's more sustainable than the photo shoot is because you
know, tomorrow it's going to be the same Saturday, it's going to
be the same Monday, it's going to be the same.
So there are these these different forms of motivation
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that you can have and you can you can utilize them to get
different outcomes. Again, like bodybuilding, you've
both competed like that was probably the leanest you've been
in your life. Yeah, yeah.
And it's because you booked thatshow, that event that you
haven't. Got the rest of and again, it's
like you're not. I wasn't even motivated to win.
I was motivated to not be out ofplace on stage and look like,
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oh, who the fuck is this guy that's not ready.
Yeah, like that's the thing thatyou think of is like, what if I
get up there and I'm not ready? Yeah.
And like you're dead last. Yeah, yeah.
It's like, yeah, you're not, you're not motivated to win.
You're motivated to not come last.
Yeah. And and then if you do, you're
like, oh, amazing. But it's like, I'm just, you're
not, you're not even happy that you won.
You're relieved. Yeah, Yeah, right.
Yeah, that was the thing for thephoto shoot that we did for the
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superhuman event. It's like I was motivated by not
being fat. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was the pressure of like,
what everyone else is coming. Yeah, I need to.
We want to. Turn It's like we got a
photographer the best in the flying in from LA across the
boatload of my I can't be out ofshape.
That was what I was thinking. Especially when, like, you know,
we're like leaders of the coaching department as well.
It's like you rock up, you know,with a fucking keg.
(26:28):
Cafe He's turned up full sumo. Offseason shape.
I'm like, oh God, we've got. Crumbs on his chest.
He was literally eating prior tothe shoot.
Is that is that powdered sugar? But yeah, so yeah, I like, I
think there's, I definitely wouldn't dismiss because I think
(26:49):
people will look at like extrinsic moments as like
shallow. And it's like, no, no, it has to
come from within. It's like again going back to
like you use what you need to use to get the job done.
It's just extrinsic ones can be very hard to maintain long term.
Where whereas. I think I fizzle real fast.
But then also, I think intrinsicare slow burners where initially
they're not great because you know, when you talk about, you
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know, like becoming that identity and being motivated by
being that person. When you start off on this kind
of journey, if you haven't done it before, you suck like like
any new skill, you're bad at it.It's not motivating to do.
When you suck at something like some people, you know, they're
really motivated by when they suck at something they love,
they they're motivated by progress.
And so that's like a big internal driver.
(27:34):
Sense, sense of achievement, yeah, I'm.
Really motivated by just by being better than I was last
week. But then I think initially out
of the gate like extrinsic motivate is a, a quick way to
kind of get stuck in. And then I think like I, I would
view it as like the extrinsic are like the antidepressants and
the intrinsic is the therapy where it's like that's the,
that's the long thing that's going to create the.
(27:54):
Change. But it's like sometimes like you
need a bit of both and and I think there's that ratio just
changes over time. Extrinsic gets things going
right and then obviously whilst you're, whilst you're getting
things going, you work on the internal motivation as you go
along. Yeah.
You know, yeah, perfect. This is where when you think of
a program like the one we run, you've got the initial motive is
(28:16):
somewhat external. Let's just say again, it's going
to vary person to person, but they've dropped the money on the
program and it's like I need to make the most of this money
because I've just dropped a goodamount of money on this program
to take my life. So that is an external form of
control that they've handed overmoney to help increase their
motivation to now start doing their behaviors.
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Then as they start to get into the program, they've got an
accountability from a coach. So they've got someone who,
again, even if they don't reallywant to do it themselves, they
know that they're going to let you down somewhat if they don't
do it and you've told them that you want to do it.
So there's still a level of external control there, but it's
somewhat shifted a little bit more towards the intrinsic side
(28:57):
because there is an emotional task, but there from within and
you don't let them down. And so now it's like, OK, but
then as they start to get in better shape and they start to
get in better shape and we startto have these conversations,
then they start to get recognized when they go to
events. Oh, like one of my guys this
week, like, he was like me. I've had so many people come up
to me and be like, you look awesome.
What the hell are you doing? And he's like, Oh, well, you
know, I've, I've been doing this.
(29:18):
And then he starts like, oh, well, I'm people are starting to
view me as now this the fit, thefirst, the fit guy.
And they'll say things like, Oh,he's not going out a few beers
tonight because he's the, he's only any like fitness.
But that's like reinforcing I amthis fitness guy.
And now he's like, because you are this fitness guy, you view
yourself as a fitness guy when you're in, in the gym training,
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it feels good because you're like, it's, it's reinforcing
this identity that you actually have.
You're almost like living by your own moral code.
It's like, oh, this, this feels good.
So now throughout this like process of being on the program,
you've started off with the extrinsic, which is short lived,
but it was enough to get the engine going.
And now what we've done, we've changed your identity in a way
(30:01):
that is now supportive with thatmore intrinsic form of motive,
which then when you eventually leave the program, it's like
he's he's done, like he's now ready to go and he's going to
sail off into the sunset. So I got a good example of that.
So with like, our guys where they always got like business
meetings and things to talk about motivations.
Like one of the things to do is like tell the people you're with
you're not going to drink because you're holding yourself
(30:22):
accountable through your own word through them because like,
you'd want to be the person to be known.
Like, you don't keep the word toyourself.
Yeah. And then eventually over time,
like you said, Terry, it's like the people are like, oh, he's
not gonna drink. He's on this program or
whatever. He's like, Oh yeah, I am the
person that don't drink because I'm going training first thing
in the morning. So I'll say tell him I'm not
drinking because I'm going to the gym at 5:00 AM.
And eventually you become known as that person then, you know,
but it's a great way to hold yourself accountable because if
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I say something to someone, there is no way I'm not doing
that thing. So it's like, Oh my God, I'm
keeping the word to myself. Yes, I remember there there was
a guy in the UK and he he lost like 200 lbs or something and he
he basically is his best friend held him accountable by texting
him every morning, calling him afat C word just every every
(31:05):
morning and he goes and he's like until he lost £200 he would
text me every morning calling melike a fat.
I'm not going to say it on the. Podcast, but it starts with C
rhymes with. Punt.
Yeah. And and that was the, the
external motor layer and it, youknow, 2 words from a, from a
friend that he needed. And so like best friend, yeah,
yeah. But like.
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It was one of my mates, his misses father used to put there
was an article of this big fat person in like the newspaper,
like they were like 400 lbs big and it was like that article was
them like with this big big or whatever.
And he stuck it on the inside ofthe biscuit cupboard.
So as you know, when the biscuitgoing, you look at you're like,
(31:48):
shall I have like do I want to be that?
It's that little reminder and it's it's.
You don't realise little things like that seem trivial, but
like, we'll say to our clients, put reminders on your phone, put
post it notes on the cupboard because like, it's one more
barrier before you get to the biscuit team.
Yeah, yeah. It's like it's those obstacles.
Alarms on your phone, anything you don't realise how much of a
big impact they have. Because that's the, that's the
(32:08):
other thing worth talking about is because we talk about a lot
like your, your environment, where when, when you like say
to, you know, if people say to people like, oh, you just need
to want it more. You just need to be more
motivated. And things.
We look at it as like, how do wemake it as easy as possible for
you to do the thing that we wantyou to do?
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And how do we make it as hard aspossible for you to do other
things which aren't conducive. So then it's almost like if you
don't have anything in your house but lean proteins, fruits,
vegetables, you know, fucking calorie free drinks like
whatever and no junk, you don't really need to be motivated to
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eat those foods. You just have to be hungry.
And so then because then you need more motivation to go and
buy shit food. And it's like, now the barrier
to get the shit food is I have to put my shoes on.
I have to drive to the shop or like at minimum I have to go
DoorDash and order it something on my phone versus there's fruit
on the side. And then you flip that and say
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you've got no healthy food in the house, but you've got Oreos,
pastries, you know, the, the fridge is empty.
So it's easier to go to DoorDashthan to go grocery shopping.
Like in, in that situation, yeah, you do have to be
motivated to stick to your plan because you need to go and do a
bunch of things. But people just like they they
use willpower unnecessarily. Like, like it's infinite and
(33:34):
it's not it's finite. And so if I think, well, how do
I make it as easy as possible tostick to my plan?
I have all my meals already prepped, all I have to do is go
in the fridge, put them in a frying pan and warm them up or
in the microwave. Job done.
Like and I I know for a fact if I don't have meat prepped in the
fridge like cooked, the likelihood of me following my
plan for the rest of the day immediately drops to like 20%.
(33:57):
Yeah, like where is your motive is the same?
Yeah, my motivation is the same,but it's like if, if I can, I
don't even have to think about it.
I can just go to the fridge and go steak, rice, done.
Those are the most successful. It's not how much willpower they
have. It's like the best environment
that's most conducive. Ho, Mosey said.
And I, one of one of my favoritethings that he, I don't know if
it came from him or if he got itfrom someone else.
(34:19):
One of the favorite things I heard him say when people say
like, you know, you can lead a horse to walk, but you can't
make a drink. And he goes, well, if I built a
wall around that horse and I left it out in the sun and I
starved it, I bet I could make it drink.
And which is the whole point to say, if you rig the environment,
you can get the action. And and that's what people need
to do is like, you need to like metaphorically starve yourself
(34:42):
of the junk food. Get a gym membership that's
close to your house. Make it as convenient as
possible. Get your gym kit out ready to go
in the morning. Set it on the other side of the
room. Set your alarm on the other side
of the room. So it's like your, your day is
almost like you, you don't even have to think.
You just do versus like, Oh, I didn't set an alarm.
My gym clothes are still at the back of the cupboard.
(35:04):
The gym's 25 minutes away. You know, I don't have the food
in my fridge. You're like, ah, fuck it, I'm
going to sleep in. Like the amount of extra
motivation that you need to do that when you don't set up your
environment is a lot more. And So what you, like you said,
when you look at the most successful people, they're not
the most motivated. They've just managed to rig the
game. Like you said, I've got my home
gym. So now even if I'm really pushed
(35:25):
on time, it's even easier for meto get some kind of work out in.
Yeah, and but then that's not free.
Like the price you pay is you bought gym equipment.
I I, I couldn't get the upgrade on the car.
Yeah, like I have to you. You made sure that when you
bought this house that it had a garage so you could get gym
equipment. Like there is a price to pay for
it. But then you're willing to say
like, well, it's worth it to me to be able to change my
(35:46):
environment so I can do this easier.
Yeah, I was saying to like a client.
The other I was like, I'm not the most motivated person, but
like if I had Oreos in my house,I would eat the Oreos.
But like I don't have them in myhouse.
And I have a gym downstairs in my garage.
I have a walking pad like in my office.
So it's really difficult not to do the things I want to do.
(36:07):
I'm quite hard to do the things that I shouldn't really be doing
if I want to stay in shape. Yeah, I think people are waiting
for this moment where, like, maybe now they identify as the
fit person and they no longer want to eat Oreos or pizza.
And they love chicken and rice. And they, you know, they don't,
they're not motivated to do anything outside of, you know,
being this crazy productive person.
And I think it's just false. I think you're always going to
(36:29):
want to eat the Oreos. You're always going to like
pizza. You're always going to want to
have a cocktail. That's fine.
Like you just set up your environment so those things are
limited. Like there's there's, you know,
there's never going to be a day where like you're like, I don't
eat Oreos anymore. That's just not what I want to
do. It's like you're you're always
going to be tempted by them. Yeah.
And that's fine. Yeah.
But you can also say I am tempted by them, so I'm not
going to buy them. Yeah.
(36:50):
Like. And also your ability to deal
with those temptations goes up as well.
You know, you can tolerate, you can tolerate them a lot more,
Yeah. But it's like, again, I think
people are just waiting for thislike moment where they're like,
I no longer crave sugar like or sweet foods.
And you know, cereal now tastes terrible to me and all I want to
eat is organic grass fed beef and it's like it's never going.
(37:10):
To as long as you're human, that's not going.
To be the case, yeah. Like we're, we're attracted to
nice things like and that. That's fine.
And Donuts are nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's like you often hear me say is your behaviour will be
dictated between the balance of your motivation and your and
your environment. And they're always going to
fluctuate. Your environment will change
from time to time and then your motivation will change from time
(37:31):
to time. And that's almost going to
dictate the behaviours that you do.
But if you're, and you basicallyI always, the way I word it is
you need 100% of both. So for example, if you've got a
high motive, like the bodybuilding show, you could,
you could have been put in a terrible environment because
you've got like 99% motive. Even if your environment was a
one, you still would have got itdone.
(37:51):
I could literally put a cookie here and you just be like
whatever, like it like literallydoesn't matter.
So you've got the worst environment, but the motive is
very high. The other end of that would be
like if you didn't even want to lose weight at all, but you
lived on a desert island with nofood, you're still going to lose
weight because the environment has so much control irregardless
of of like the motive. So your life is likely going to
fluctuate somewhat between the the 70% and the 20%.
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In general, it's going to start doing this because not many
people have got that really powerful motive.
I'm not many people that live ona desert island either.
So it is going to sort of go from time to time.
So if you find yourself in a position whereby your motivation
is not quite good enough at the moment to get the job done, OK.
Well, trying to increase my motivation can be quite
difficult. You could leverage an
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accountability partner. If it's a gym, you get a
training partner that you got togo to.
You could bring in a coach or you can try and manipulate the
environment, which makes it easier.
It's your choice. You can try and manipulate the
motive or you can manipulate theenvironment.
As long as you match that 100% again, you're going to get the
behaviors done. So it's a very, this is where
when people like my motivation is low, it's like, well, okay,
(38:57):
maybe your motivation at the time was sufficient and now the
environment has changed, like your workload has gone up pretty
drastically. So now your current level of
motivation is not good enough todeal with the environment that
you've got at the moment. So what are you going to do?
Are you going to change the environment?
Are you going to reduce the workload?
Are you going to make it easier to get the training done?
Are you going to make it easier to get the diet nailed?
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Or are you going to book a photoshoot?
Are you going to book a vacation?
Are you going to you know what, what are you going to do?
You need to, you need to manipulate one of them to make
sure you're back up to that 100%because as of right now, you've
dropped down some. Yeah, yeah.
I would, I would, I would alwayscoin it like motivation
threshold, but you have to reachthe threshold like regardless of
what it's comprised of, you haveto hit that threshold to do the
(39:41):
thing. And your your goal is to make up
the difference. However, however you need to,
whether it's like you said, environment, friends, intrinsic,
extrinsic. Yeah, what you want, Yeah.
And it it is that, you know, youguys, you guys were saying it
then there is evidence, like there's literally scientific
evidence to show that. People who do get a lot of the
stuff done, the motivation differences between the two is
(40:05):
not normally that great. It's not like one person scored
super high on this motivation test and this person scored
super low in general. They're like, wow, 1 might be a
little bit more than the other one, but what the people who do
consistently get the work done is their motivation is much,
much better than the other person's.
It's like, again, you'll, you'llsee how often do you see a Baker
(40:26):
who is his career is to make cakes is overweight.
Like look at the environment, like it's so tough.
He's getting that willpower. Battery is getting drained day
after day after day. There's leftover cake.
He would physically have to throw away his product, then go
buy other food. So now he's throwing money away,
spending more money just to eat where he can go.
(40:48):
Well, I could just eat what's left.
It's like there's so many thingsthat are going to be hard for.
Get a free meal. Yeah.
It's like, well, I can either avoid like not eat this food and
then have to spend the money which I've just made on other
food, or I can eat the meal. So it's it's like you can,
again, if you probably look at the average BMI or body
composition of someone that works at McDonald's, it's not
great. Probably higher than Subway.
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But then, yeah. But then you also understand
that it's like, well, then, you know, you're a young kid and you
need a job. And it's like, you completely
get it. Like, I understand it, but that
doesn't change the facts that you are going to need more
motivation than someone that doesn't work at McDonald's.
Like, yeah. I think one of the biggest
examples I've seen since workingwith like obviously clients is
that when someone's activity is very low and obviously they're
(41:31):
very busy and then they put a walk in pad in their house,
they're like steps or we track activity with steps.
It's like doubled. I've seen people go from like
8000 to like 16. It's incredible.
And that's just one change of someone's environment.
And even still, like some of these people are on like Zoom
calls, like if you can walk lastyear on a Zoom call, yeah, you
rack up an hour. That's what's the 7000 steps or.
(41:53):
Yeah, you just have to rig the game.
Yeah, I rigged your environment.I was like, anytime you have a
meeting that's not on Zoom and you can be on the phone, I said
walk on your treadmill. Yeah.
And then so now it's like if hisphone rings, he gets on the
treadmill because he's like, I'mso used to walking and talking.
So it's like that's how he accumulates.
That's habit stacking, isn't now, he's told every time I
answer the phone. Walk on the treadmill.
Yeah, game changer. Rigging the environment is key.
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So, yeah, I think if you're if you're in that kind of limbo now
where you're you're not feeling motivated like one, understand
that you're probably not going to feel it.
It's not going to be like a physical feeling.
But look at that kind of that threshold.
Look at what it's comprised of right now and then look at
things like environment, intrinsic extrinsic pain,
(42:34):
pleasure and figure out a way tohit that threshold and always
revisit it. And when you start to see kind
of your, your actions change, revisit and say, am I hitting
that threshold? And then maybe I need to change
something? But either way, you have to get,
you have to hit that threshold in order to take action.
But also, guys, be sure to like and subscribe on YouTube,
(42:56):
iTunes, Spotify, and we'll see you next time.
If you love this show, please like, share and leave us a five
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I'm John Matson, Superhuman CEO,reminding you to always go get
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