September 12, 2024 • 22 mins
In Part 2 of this heartfelt series, Sage Robbins and her dear friend, podcast host turned surrogate, Mary B., dive intimately into the essence of forgiveness, exploring its profound impact on mental health and personal well-being. Sage shares how forgiveness has unlocked her inner freedom and helped her align with her true nature, while Mary offers a fresh perspective on transforming even everyday frustrations into opportunities for growth.
This conversation addresses modern phenomena like cancel culture, encouraging listeners to look beyond actions and recognize the inherent innocence in each person. As Tony Robbins often teaches, forgiveness is about freeing oneself from the chains of past hurts to step into a more beautiful state and impactful destiny.
Sage and Mary also introduce the ancient Hawaiian practice of Ho’oponopono, a transformational ritual of reconciliation. They delve into the four healing phrases: “I am sorry. Please forgive me. I love you. Thank you,” explaining how this process of honesty and love can clear the emotional noise of the mind and cultivate compassion, regardless of the conflict or personal trauma.
The episode goes deeper with practical tools and practices for clearing emotional blocks, including insights from Dr. Hew Len and a special song that Sage sings with her family each night. Mary B. also discusses the darker aspects of human experience, such as depression, guilt, and shame, providing listeners with a pathway to healing.
Throughout this episode, Sage and Mary invite listeners on a reflective journey, offering practical advice and heartfelt encouragement. They emphasize the vital role of compassion, acceptance, and the ongoing journey of forgiving oneself, others, and our loved ones.
We hope you enjoy Part 2 of this conversation!
Episode Notes:
00:00:00 – Ho'oponopono: A traditional Hawaiian practice of reconciliation and forgiveness
00:02:11 – Clearing tools and practices
00:04:35 – Dr. Hew Len
00:07:35– The song we sing at bedtime every night
00:09:40 – Mary B.
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Mary B. (00:01):
Hi. Thanks for listening to the Tony Robbins podcast. This is just a quick note about this episode, in case you'd rather watch and see the video of this conversation, and that's found@youtube.com
backslash. Tony Robbins live, you'd like to listen. You're in the right place. You
(00:25):
there's something else I would really like to talk about, as long as we're on the topic of forgiveness. I was wondering if we could talk about hopo pono. Pono. Okay?
Because for me, in my 40 some years on this planet, the most transformational if I had to say, like one thing like this has been the thing, a practice, a practice that has really served me in my life. It's what you and Tony have taught in the last maybe 10 years of seminars and things. And that's this ancient Hawaiian practice called hopo pono, pono.
(00:58):
And I would love to go there with you. Okay, I want me to set, let me set a little context for those of you who have not heard about it. I have this little book here. There's many books about hope upon a pono.
This one was the smallest one on my shelf, and that's why I grabbed it. But I think that it does. It does a great service. I think Billy Beck got us these books. Billy loves to Tony's trainer often comes over and brings us poignant little books, and this happens to be one of them. This one's by Ulrich Dupree. It actually mentions Tony's name in here, by the way, I think that's why Billy brought it over anyway. Hopo pono. Pono is the Hawaiian ritual of forgiveness. It proceeds from an understanding of the unity of everything in the world, which is true, even though we feel ourselves to be separate because of this unity or oneness, nothing can happen in our world without creating a resonance in the observer. It follows, then that we can only influence problems in the external external world if we heal the corresponding inner resonance. Okay, to accomplish this. Hopo pono, pono relies on four magic sentences, I am sorry. Please forgive me. I love you. Thank you. That is the gist of hopo, pono, pono and so in Hawaii. And I have this one note on this page here, Ho Oh. So it's ho apostrophe, oh means to make, and then pono means right or correct. So it means to make right to correct, and it's just the most beautiful thing I've seen. You do it in we do it in our own life.
Sage Robbins (02:30):
Oh, all the
Mary B. (02:31):
time. Talk to us about hopo pono. Pono.
Sage Robbins (02:33):
Okay, well, once again, for those of you who are listening, this is a tool. It's a practice, and we all find our way. And these are all tools that assist with mental well. Being with mental health, certainly been my experience the johopa Ono, there's inquiry, EMDR, tapping you had mentioned about individuals you know that have certain you know, traumas are things to heal, and this is one of those really remarkable tools. And our practice, I suppose, is more accurate every night. You know, at the end of our night, when we put our daughter to bed, there's actually a little song that we sing, and that includes the statements. And the statements aren't personal. It's not I'm sorry because or I'm sorry I did this. It's a clearing of space you can intend say, for example, your family as a unit, and I'm sorry. Please forgive me. I love you, thank you and you, you, I mean, you can just say, you can say it in different tones of voice. You can say it quietly inside your mind. It, you know, you can say it for a country. You can say it for your child, if, say, if, for example, if Tony and I were having a conversation, and if I felt like, gosh, I wasn't my best self, and maybe he jumped on a call right away. If I I'll just, I'll say it just to clear the energy, and then I'll go and say, you know, afterwards, Honey, do you know what? I wasn't my best self in that moment to actually clear but it's a way to come back to center, to come back to zero point. It clears what I call bound energy, but it clears resistance, or it doesn't, it's not even specific. That's the power of it. And, you know, I think I've mentioned this before, when I'm after I get out the shower, I'll do like dry brushing and so forth. And while I'm doing my dry brushing, I'll say, I'm sorry. Please forgive me. I love you. Thank you. And I'll just do it well, because it's, you know, it's not necessarily specific. But you know, we've all done, I've done unconscious things to my body, to this body, this being, to our human you know, we can all be unconscious. And so it's clearing energy, it's clearing space, and it's kind, and it's benevolent and it's loving. And the gentleman, dr, I think it's Lou or Hugh, yep. I. Uh, he worked in an institution, and he had the most remarkable bulin, yes, in the 80s and 90s, I think he actually worked in a prison, right? And the results that he was having, and he didn't even necessarily tell people that he was doing it, someone
Mary B. (05:18):
asked him to work in this prison with psychologically, mentally ill. We would say today, prisoners, yes, and he went through their files. This was in Hawaii, and he went through their files and reading the story of their life, their origin story, not just he never even visited with the prisoners. In many cases, yes, he just read their files, and he would say, I'm sorry. Please forgive me. I love you. Thank you. He would say that hundreds of times, pouring over and so to Sage's point, like it could be personal, you can offer that. Let me finish the story. So, Dr Lynn, yes, these, I mean, folks were just it was, it was downright miraculous, by all accounts of everyone who worked at this prison, and how was this happening? And they were short staffed, and nothing new was really going on, and this guy's not even seeing them. How could this be? And it's that it changes the resonance, and I understand that resonance and vibrations and the energy we put out is a little airy fairy for a lot of folks out there, but if you're listening this far, you're one of us, and we can offer these words to folks. So you mentioned a few things, and I just want to clarify when sage said, you know, it's not personal. You can offer it to a country. I'm sure many of you. This is a common this is a common scenario these days. Unfortunately, you flip on the news, and it's, you're watching, you know, we could be sitting there at the dinner table, and the news footage is like the unimaginable in other parts of the world, and, you know, just the destruction and the loss of innocent life and children, and it's just like, right? And so you sit there, and for me too, it's like, what can I do about this? What do I do? And if I don't do anything, what does that say about me? It's like, this is something that actually you can do. Sage said, it clears, what does that mean? It's like, in the moment, you can get so present and just be with that situation that we see and offer like, I'm so sorry. Please forgive me. I love you. Thank you. And for any part in this whole human Ness that I have, I'm not in that war. I'm in this war. We're in this and so I feel like, also like when you said, there's not sides. Can't we see how it's so easy to divide and conquer us in a million different ways. And then when you read something like, like the work of Dr Lynn and you it sinks into your heart like, and at the end of the day, we are all human beings on this rocket eternity, maybe we should work together. Hopo pono. Pono, I think, is like just the most beautiful, simple children can do it. Tell them what you sing each night to our daughter.
Sage Robbins (08:03):
Well, let's sing it. It's a simple little ditty you can fast forward if you prefer
Unknown (08:13):
Ho, Po, no Po, no Ho, Po, no Po, no pono Ho, pono pono a pono pono pono pono pono a pono pono pono,
Mary B. (08:30):
I'm so sorry. I love you. Please forgive me and thank you. I'm so sorry. I love you. Please forgive me, and thank you. We've
Sage Robbins (08:53):
sang that since our daughter was in the womb, and we'll hear her on the crib cams.
Mary B. (08:59):
She sings it, you guys, if you've never heard a two year old sing that song,
Sage Robbins (09:05):
it's really, it's just, it's, it's a practice. You know, these are all tools. We have options out there. We can medicate ourselves, we can distract ourselves, we can entertain ourselves. And by the way, we've all done every every perspective. We can drink ourselves numb to try and escape the pain, and you wake up on the other side, and there it is again, knocking right. You know, at us. These are ways of neutralizing some of the confused confusion, or you could look at it as a way of coming back into alignment, a way of coming home and try it. These are all things we're not here to share, to tell what anybody to believe or to do. These are just things that you can simply experience and try it on if it serves beautiful, and if it doesn't, that. It's okay too. And
Mary B. (10:01):
if you hear sage say, like, How is this a mental health tool, this little song that a two year old can sing, it's I will speak from my own experience of like, moments of anxiety, guilt, shame, darkness, human darkness, those caves that we crawl ourselves into. And I think I speak for everyone again, some stay in those caves longer than others, but in times when I'm like, I don't know how to get out of this, when I'm feeling guilt, when I'm feeling in the past, when I was, say, drinking or before I've made changes in my life. If you've ever woke up on the other side of a big night and felt that guilt and shame, what can you do in that moment? I wish I knew about this when you're laying there and just in your own like self loathing, and I wish that I knew like you can say so to the people that won't answer the other won't answer your phone call anymore. How do you reach them? To the folks that you know you can't find on Facebook distant past. Doesn't matter to yourself. You can offer these, and I like how you said neutralizing, because it does. I hadn't thought of it that way before, but it has almost like a chemical reactivity to it. It's like when you're hooked and you're angry and you're in that like face melting acid, of the feeling of those, of those lower
Sage Robbins (11:27):
melting acid, that's an awesome that's how it feels like. Isn't
Mary B. (11:30):
that what it feels like? And then you said it neutralizes. And then, like, if you have wronged someone in any way, and it's on your conscience, and your little Jiminy Cricket is like, shouldn't have done that, dummy. How could you do that again? It's like for me, even, even at this stage of my life, it's still like, Okay, if I can't reach this person right now, I can sit here and get present offer. Like, I'm really, I'm so sorry I see, I see what I just did there. I really never want to do that again. And please forgive me, and know that I love you so much, and thank you so much for just hearing me right now, like I can't explain that if you give, if you give that practice your heart, it has a neutralization and a chemical reaction to neutralize the face melting acid and actually rip you out of that hole that we can get ourselves into, of human darkness, of depression, all these, all of these things that are top of mind in in the conversation, what are some other remedies, besides drug it. It's like a child could do this. Yes, it's basic fundamentals. This is what the human heart is capable of if we come back home
Sage Robbins (12:41):
and it's, it's a way back home, it's a journey home for us all, back to oneself, and that really is back to our heart, because it's, it's love that has a vaster intelligence than intellect alone. Our heart has a vaster understanding or capacity. And so it's really tapping into that
Mary B. (13:05):
that's beautiful. Can I offer you this one book suggests steps, six steps to hopo ponos, pono success. And I've actually, of all the times you guys have been teaching this for like, a decade years, but I've actually never heard these six steps. I think they're beautiful. Let me offer them to you. Pardon me. Okay. Step one is to join with the original source, Akua in Hawaiian, the being of light and the ancestors, God, Spirit, the creator the universe. However, that resonates with you. Number two, to contemplate and accept whatever is presenting as the problem, the challenge, number three, to take 100% responsibility for the existence of that challenge in your life. Number four, to be ready following forgiveness, to handle things differently. Number five, to mutually pardon and forgive. And number six, to give thanks and offer a closing prayer. And I love those that's an addition that I had never heard. What do you think?
Sage Robbins (14:04):
And no, it feels utterly accurate. And there's a universality in all these wonderful practices and tools. And we're excited for you to try this on, an experience for your own life and family.
Mary B. (14:20):
Talk about too, how you said you'll offer it. I love that you do it while you're dry brushing, you hippie. But to our bodies, our bodies, sure, sure, can take, can bear the brunt of of this human existence, this little skin suit that we're in, the things that we choose to do to our bodies, ingest, put our bodies through, and whatever that, again, makes you think of, it can be an individual thing. I'm thinking of, again, like unhealthy choices, permanent choices, other interrelational. Choices of all of those things. And again, if that, if you're someone that's like guilt and shame come up for you, try doing this to yourself. It's profound. Can you how do you use that in a in a way of letting yourself off the hook? For you, talked in the past about different versions of yourself, yes, and I love the idea of that
Sage Robbins (15:21):
I can look back, gosh, a year ago, five years ago, 10 years ago, and I have compassion for her, I have love for her. And, you know, I see myself, and it's like, gosh, I would choose differently today. I would navigate, I navigate my life differently because, but it was the unconscious that created the conscience like, you know, we can't have one without the other. I think we fall asleep, so that we have the power to wake up, because
Mary B. (15:48):
our life plays out over time, like we are in space and time or that. Well, gosh,
Sage Robbins (15:55):
I think that's the power and the gift of this human experience is its constant iteration and evolution and and it's not just the beautiful that has caused, that causes that evolution. It's actually pain, you know, the and I think the gift of pain is it's humbling, you know, it's, it's, it's humbling, like,
Mary B. (16:21):
for me, it's like, Man, those tattoos I got when I was 18, or like, oh, that relationship situation, I really wish I handled differently, and I would absolutely now from this place, but you don't know what you don't know.
Sage Robbins (16:34):
Yes, I think we can all I'll look in my closet and think, What on God's green earth was I thinking? I'll look at photos myself, and really think I look rather absurd, or whatever, if you said something, done something, we've, you know, we've all been there. We've all been there. And it's, I think that's the power and the gift of the human spirit, is evolution. That's it. Evolution, evolution. You know, I preparing for this. I was considering two things. Number one, why don't we forgive? Yesterday, I was just really reflecting. I was asking myself, okay when I haven't forgiven, why didn't I forgive, or where, you know, where did that energy come from? Or why wasn't I letting go? And so I came up with a list, and I'll share them and see if you find them relatable. We don't forgive when we blame others for our own misery. We don't forgive when we demonize another human being. We don't forgive when we have unrealistic expectations of another. We don't forgive when we're addicted to the pain of the past or the story rather than the freedom of this moment. We don't forgive when we keep telling the same old story again and again. If you ever notice when you're not forgiving and you know you believe this person wronged you and innocently, we trouble talk and keep you know that narrative going by sharing with our sisters or sharing with our friends. Or can you believe it like he or she did this thing or said this thing? So ego, mind, fear, mind is fueling itself and building an architecture around the original belief or the original thought. We don't forgive when we value being right over being connected. We don't forgive when we believe they don't deserve to be forgiven. They don't deserve to be forgiven. Just check in and see if you can connect to any of these if they're relatable. We don't forgive when we numb or distract ourselves from our suffering and and I, you know, just self reflecting and looking at at my own life of times when I felt that closure, that resistance, or that holding on, and I recognized God and that gosh, in that Place of righteousness, you know, in that place of the lacking the receptivity or the willingness, and ironically, there's something so powerful in admission of, you know, hey, I wasn't my best self in that, in that moment, and I'm sorry. It's humbling. It's humbling we I think that's the gift and the power of any disconnect or disconnect from ourself, or whatever life offers us, the pain of that the humiliation is a path to humbleness, yes, and from that place, you know, there's more receptivity, more flexibility, to be open and reflective to see oneself, and therefore just tidied up in the moment. And for those of you who are listening and saying, okay, my, you know, I, my parent has passed, or, you know, I did this horrible thing, and it was so many years ago, and I don't know how to you don't even mean I can't go and say. Sorry, I don't know that we always necessarily need to once again, johopa Ono is a way of clearing this space. So another way of clearing, if somebody has passed, or another way of clearing or forgiving, or if you feel that you're not able to reach out to an individual, the spirit in me connects to the spirit in you. I release you, I forgive you, I bless you, thank you. And then you can picture them in a golden light, or a violet colored light. By the way, you don't have to do any of this. This is just a suggestion. And then drop that image and just sit maybe for a few minutes of meditation. You open up to source, to the source of your being, to the source of our life, to the source that beats our hearts, and offer it up to that source. Because when we don't know what to do in our own human mind, remember that the power of our heart, the power of this divine intelligence that has created this exact moment. Never mind this conversation that we're having together today, offer it to that space. And I think it's in, you know, when there is that willingness, when we're humble enough to know that, hey, this human part of me doesn't have all the answers, miracles happen in that space, and that's just really beautiful and
Mary B. (21:23):
humbling. Whoa, that is a gorgeous gift. I hope that people rewind that part and hear that again. It's like I read in I think it was like a Florence Scoville Shin book once, and she uses a language I release you to your greatest good, yes. And so it's different. Feel the difference of like I forgive you, and the inferiority superiority that that has. And again, there's a place for there's a place for everything, I'm sure, yes, however, the different resonance of, I release you to your greatest good, I release you to your greatest good. Now there's like a lightness to that, that offers us and a spaciousness. I love the way that you language, that that's you. You wrote that, yes, I love that it's beautiful.
Sage Robbins (22:07):
Thank you, Mary. You
Mary B. (22:24):
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Hi. Thanks for listening to the Tony Robbins podcast. This is just a quick note about this episode, in case you'd rather watch and see the video of this conversation, and that's found@youtube.com
backslash. Tony Robbins live, you'd like to listen. You're in the right place. You
(00:25):
there's something else I would really like to talk about, as long as we're on the topic of forgiveness. I was wondering if we could talk about hopo pono. Pono. Okay?
Because for me, in my 40 some years on this planet, the most transformational if I had to say, like one thing like this has been the thing, a practice, a practice that has really served me in my life. It's what you and Tony have taught in the last maybe 10 years of seminars and things. And that's this ancient Hawaiian practice called hopo pono, pono.
(00:58):
And I would love to go there with you. Okay, I want me to set, let me set a little context for those of you who have not heard about it. I have this little book here. There's many books about hope upon a pono.
This one was the smallest one on my shelf, and that's why I grabbed it. But I think that it does. It does a great service. I think Billy Beck got us these books. Billy loves to Tony's trainer often comes over and brings us poignant little books, and this happens to be one of them. This one's by Ulrich Dupree. It actually mentions Tony's name in here, by the way, I think that's why Billy brought it over anyway. Hopo pono. Pono is the Hawaiian ritual of forgiveness. It proceeds from an understanding of the unity of everything in the world, which is true, even though we feel ourselves to be separate because of this unity or oneness, nothing can happen in our world without creating a resonance in the observer. It follows, then that we can only influence problems in the external external world if we heal the corresponding inner resonance. Okay, to accomplish this. Hopo pono, pono relies on four magic sentences, I am sorry. Please forgive me. I love you. Thank you. That is the gist of hopo, pono, pono and so in Hawaii. And I have this one note on this page here, Ho Oh. So it's ho apostrophe, oh means to make, and then pono means right or correct. So it means to make right to correct, and it's just the most beautiful thing I've seen. You do it in we do it in our own life.
Sage Robbins (02:30):
Oh, all the
Mary B. (02:31):
time. Talk to us about hopo pono. Pono.
Sage Robbins (02:33):
Okay, well, once again, for those of you who are listening, this is a tool. It's a practice, and we all find our way. And these are all tools that assist with mental well. Being with mental health, certainly been my experience the johopa Ono, there's inquiry, EMDR, tapping you had mentioned about individuals you know that have certain you know, traumas are things to heal, and this is one of those really remarkable tools. And our practice, I suppose, is more accurate every night. You know, at the end of our night, when we put our daughter to bed, there's actually a little song that we sing, and that includes the statements. And the statements aren't personal. It's not I'm sorry because or I'm sorry I did this. It's a clearing of space you can intend say, for example, your family as a unit, and I'm sorry. Please forgive me. I love you, thank you and you, you, I mean, you can just say, you can say it in different tones of voice. You can say it quietly inside your mind. It, you know, you can say it for a country. You can say it for your child, if, say, if, for example, if Tony and I were having a conversation, and if I felt like, gosh, I wasn't my best self, and maybe he jumped on a call right away. If I I'll just, I'll say it just to clear the energy, and then I'll go and say, you know, afterwards, Honey, do you know what? I wasn't my best self in that moment to actually clear but it's a way to come back to center, to come back to zero point. It clears what I call bound energy, but it clears resistance, or it doesn't, it's not even specific. That's the power of it. And, you know, I think I've mentioned this before, when I'm after I get out the shower, I'll do like dry brushing and so forth. And while I'm doing my dry brushing, I'll say, I'm sorry. Please forgive me. I love you. Thank you. And I'll just do it well, because it's, you know, it's not necessarily specific. But you know, we've all done, I've done unconscious things to my body, to this body, this being, to our human you know, we can all be unconscious. And so it's clearing energy, it's clearing space, and it's kind, and it's benevolent and it's loving. And the gentleman, dr, I think it's Lou or Hugh, yep. I. Uh, he worked in an institution, and he had the most remarkable bulin, yes, in the 80s and 90s, I think he actually worked in a prison, right? And the results that he was having, and he didn't even necessarily tell people that he was doing it, someone
Mary B. (05:18):
asked him to work in this prison with psychologically, mentally ill. We would say today, prisoners, yes, and he went through their files. This was in Hawaii, and he went through their files and reading the story of their life, their origin story, not just he never even visited with the prisoners. In many cases, yes, he just read their files, and he would say, I'm sorry. Please forgive me. I love you. Thank you. He would say that hundreds of times, pouring over and so to Sage's point, like it could be personal, you can offer that. Let me finish the story. So, Dr Lynn, yes, these, I mean, folks were just it was, it was downright miraculous, by all accounts of everyone who worked at this prison, and how was this happening? And they were short staffed, and nothing new was really going on, and this guy's not even seeing them. How could this be? And it's that it changes the resonance, and I understand that resonance and vibrations and the energy we put out is a little airy fairy for a lot of folks out there, but if you're listening this far, you're one of us, and we can offer these words to folks. So you mentioned a few things, and I just want to clarify when sage said, you know, it's not personal. You can offer it to a country. I'm sure many of you. This is a common this is a common scenario these days. Unfortunately, you flip on the news, and it's, you're watching, you know, we could be sitting there at the dinner table, and the news footage is like the unimaginable in other parts of the world, and, you know, just the destruction and the loss of innocent life and children, and it's just like, right? And so you sit there, and for me too, it's like, what can I do about this? What do I do? And if I don't do anything, what does that say about me? It's like, this is something that actually you can do. Sage said, it clears, what does that mean? It's like, in the moment, you can get so present and just be with that situation that we see and offer like, I'm so sorry. Please forgive me. I love you. Thank you. And for any part in this whole human Ness that I have, I'm not in that war. I'm in this war. We're in this and so I feel like, also like when you said, there's not sides. Can't we see how it's so easy to divide and conquer us in a million different ways. And then when you read something like, like the work of Dr Lynn and you it sinks into your heart like, and at the end of the day, we are all human beings on this rocket eternity, maybe we should work together. Hopo pono. Pono, I think, is like just the most beautiful, simple children can do it. Tell them what you sing each night to our daughter.
Sage Robbins (08:03):
Well, let's sing it. It's a simple little ditty you can fast forward if you prefer
Unknown (08:13):
Ho, Po, no Po, no Ho, Po, no Po, no pono Ho, pono pono a pono pono pono pono pono a pono pono pono,
Mary B. (08:30):
I'm so sorry. I love you. Please forgive me and thank you. I'm so sorry. I love you. Please forgive me, and thank you. We've
Sage Robbins (08:53):
sang that since our daughter was in the womb, and we'll hear her on the crib cams.
Mary B. (08:59):
She sings it, you guys, if you've never heard a two year old sing that song,
Sage Robbins (09:05):
it's really, it's just, it's, it's a practice. You know, these are all tools. We have options out there. We can medicate ourselves, we can distract ourselves, we can entertain ourselves. And by the way, we've all done every every perspective. We can drink ourselves numb to try and escape the pain, and you wake up on the other side, and there it is again, knocking right. You know, at us. These are ways of neutralizing some of the confused confusion, or you could look at it as a way of coming back into alignment, a way of coming home and try it. These are all things we're not here to share, to tell what anybody to believe or to do. These are just things that you can simply experience and try it on if it serves beautiful, and if it doesn't, that. It's okay too. And
Mary B. (10:01):
if you hear sage say, like, How is this a mental health tool, this little song that a two year old can sing, it's I will speak from my own experience of like, moments of anxiety, guilt, shame, darkness, human darkness, those caves that we crawl ourselves into. And I think I speak for everyone again, some stay in those caves longer than others, but in times when I'm like, I don't know how to get out of this, when I'm feeling guilt, when I'm feeling in the past, when I was, say, drinking or before I've made changes in my life. If you've ever woke up on the other side of a big night and felt that guilt and shame, what can you do in that moment? I wish I knew about this when you're laying there and just in your own like self loathing, and I wish that I knew like you can say so to the people that won't answer the other won't answer your phone call anymore. How do you reach them? To the folks that you know you can't find on Facebook distant past. Doesn't matter to yourself. You can offer these, and I like how you said neutralizing, because it does. I hadn't thought of it that way before, but it has almost like a chemical reactivity to it. It's like when you're hooked and you're angry and you're in that like face melting acid, of the feeling of those, of those lower
Sage Robbins (11:27):
melting acid, that's an awesome that's how it feels like. Isn't
Mary B. (11:30):
that what it feels like? And then you said it neutralizes. And then, like, if you have wronged someone in any way, and it's on your conscience, and your little Jiminy Cricket is like, shouldn't have done that, dummy. How could you do that again? It's like for me, even, even at this stage of my life, it's still like, Okay, if I can't reach this person right now, I can sit here and get present offer. Like, I'm really, I'm so sorry I see, I see what I just did there. I really never want to do that again. And please forgive me, and know that I love you so much, and thank you so much for just hearing me right now, like I can't explain that if you give, if you give that practice your heart, it has a neutralization and a chemical reaction to neutralize the face melting acid and actually rip you out of that hole that we can get ourselves into, of human darkness, of depression, all these, all of these things that are top of mind in in the conversation, what are some other remedies, besides drug it. It's like a child could do this. Yes, it's basic fundamentals. This is what the human heart is capable of if we come back home
Sage Robbins (12:41):
and it's, it's a way back home, it's a journey home for us all, back to oneself, and that really is back to our heart, because it's, it's love that has a vaster intelligence than intellect alone. Our heart has a vaster understanding or capacity. And so it's really tapping into that
Mary B. (13:05):
that's beautiful. Can I offer you this one book suggests steps, six steps to hopo ponos, pono success. And I've actually, of all the times you guys have been teaching this for like, a decade years, but I've actually never heard these six steps. I think they're beautiful. Let me offer them to you. Pardon me. Okay. Step one is to join with the original source, Akua in Hawaiian, the being of light and the ancestors, God, Spirit, the creator the universe. However, that resonates with you. Number two, to contemplate and accept whatever is presenting as the problem, the challenge, number three, to take 100% responsibility for the existence of that challenge in your life. Number four, to be ready following forgiveness, to handle things differently. Number five, to mutually pardon and forgive. And number six, to give thanks and offer a closing prayer. And I love those that's an addition that I had never heard. What do you think?
Sage Robbins (14:04):
And no, it feels utterly accurate. And there's a universality in all these wonderful practices and tools. And we're excited for you to try this on, an experience for your own life and family.
Mary B. (14:20):
Talk about too, how you said you'll offer it. I love that you do it while you're dry brushing, you hippie. But to our bodies, our bodies, sure, sure, can take, can bear the brunt of of this human existence, this little skin suit that we're in, the things that we choose to do to our bodies, ingest, put our bodies through, and whatever that, again, makes you think of, it can be an individual thing. I'm thinking of, again, like unhealthy choices, permanent choices, other interrelational. Choices of all of those things. And again, if that, if you're someone that's like guilt and shame come up for you, try doing this to yourself. It's profound. Can you how do you use that in a in a way of letting yourself off the hook? For you, talked in the past about different versions of yourself, yes, and I love the idea of that
Sage Robbins (15:21):
I can look back, gosh, a year ago, five years ago, 10 years ago, and I have compassion for her, I have love for her. And, you know, I see myself, and it's like, gosh, I would choose differently today. I would navigate, I navigate my life differently because, but it was the unconscious that created the conscience like, you know, we can't have one without the other. I think we fall asleep, so that we have the power to wake up, because
Mary B. (15:48):
our life plays out over time, like we are in space and time or that. Well, gosh,
Sage Robbins (15:55):
I think that's the power and the gift of this human experience is its constant iteration and evolution and and it's not just the beautiful that has caused, that causes that evolution. It's actually pain, you know, the and I think the gift of pain is it's humbling, you know, it's, it's, it's humbling, like,
Mary B. (16:21):
for me, it's like, Man, those tattoos I got when I was 18, or like, oh, that relationship situation, I really wish I handled differently, and I would absolutely now from this place, but you don't know what you don't know.
Sage Robbins (16:34):
Yes, I think we can all I'll look in my closet and think, What on God's green earth was I thinking? I'll look at photos myself, and really think I look rather absurd, or whatever, if you said something, done something, we've, you know, we've all been there. We've all been there. And it's, I think that's the power and the gift of the human spirit, is evolution. That's it. Evolution, evolution. You know, I preparing for this. I was considering two things. Number one, why don't we forgive? Yesterday, I was just really reflecting. I was asking myself, okay when I haven't forgiven, why didn't I forgive, or where, you know, where did that energy come from? Or why wasn't I letting go? And so I came up with a list, and I'll share them and see if you find them relatable. We don't forgive when we blame others for our own misery. We don't forgive when we demonize another human being. We don't forgive when we have unrealistic expectations of another. We don't forgive when we're addicted to the pain of the past or the story rather than the freedom of this moment. We don't forgive when we keep telling the same old story again and again. If you ever notice when you're not forgiving and you know you believe this person wronged you and innocently, we trouble talk and keep you know that narrative going by sharing with our sisters or sharing with our friends. Or can you believe it like he or she did this thing or said this thing? So ego, mind, fear, mind is fueling itself and building an architecture around the original belief or the original thought. We don't forgive when we value being right over being connected. We don't forgive when we believe they don't deserve to be forgiven. They don't deserve to be forgiven. Just check in and see if you can connect to any of these if they're relatable. We don't forgive when we numb or distract ourselves from our suffering and and I, you know, just self reflecting and looking at at my own life of times when I felt that closure, that resistance, or that holding on, and I recognized God and that gosh, in that Place of righteousness, you know, in that place of the lacking the receptivity or the willingness, and ironically, there's something so powerful in admission of, you know, hey, I wasn't my best self in that, in that moment, and I'm sorry. It's humbling. It's humbling we I think that's the gift and the power of any disconnect or disconnect from ourself, or whatever life offers us, the pain of that the humiliation is a path to humbleness, yes, and from that place, you know, there's more receptivity, more flexibility, to be open and reflective to see oneself, and therefore just tidied up in the moment. And for those of you who are listening and saying, okay, my, you know, I, my parent has passed, or, you know, I did this horrible thing, and it was so many years ago, and I don't know how to you don't even mean I can't go and say. Sorry, I don't know that we always necessarily need to once again, johopa Ono is a way of clearing this space. So another way of clearing, if somebody has passed, or another way of clearing or forgiving, or if you feel that you're not able to reach out to an individual, the spirit in me connects to the spirit in you. I release you, I forgive you, I bless you, thank you. And then you can picture them in a golden light, or a violet colored light. By the way, you don't have to do any of this. This is just a suggestion. And then drop that image and just sit maybe for a few minutes of meditation. You open up to source, to the source of your being, to the source of our life, to the source that beats our hearts, and offer it up to that source. Because when we don't know what to do in our own human mind, remember that the power of our heart, the power of this divine intelligence that has created this exact moment. Never mind this conversation that we're having together today, offer it to that space. And I think it's in, you know, when there is that willingness, when we're humble enough to know that, hey, this human part of me doesn't have all the answers, miracles happen in that space, and that's just really beautiful and
Mary B. (21:23):
humbling. Whoa, that is a gorgeous gift. I hope that people rewind that part and hear that again. It's like I read in I think it was like a Florence Scoville Shin book once, and she uses a language I release you to your greatest good, yes. And so it's different. Feel the difference of like I forgive you, and the inferiority superiority that that has. And again, there's a place for there's a place for everything, I'm sure, yes, however, the different resonance of, I release you to your greatest good, I release you to your greatest good. Now there's like a lightness to that, that offers us and a spaciousness. I love the way that you language, that that's you. You wrote that, yes, I love that it's beautiful.
Sage Robbins (22:07):
Thank you, Mary. You
Mary B. (22:24):
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