32 - Just The 32 Of Us

This week on My Favorite Murder, Karen and Georgia talk the life and death of pop singer Selena and then give the lowdown on the Zankou Chicken Murders.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Hello, welcome to My Murder. My name is Karen, and
I sure love murder. How about you girl over there?

Speaker 2 (00:25):
This week?

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Girl over There is played by Georgia Heart Star George's
Heart Stark and gee, I love murder too.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
And of course engineer Stephen is here standing by with
his mustache and his his.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Uh stuff, his equipment, his general style, general style.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
You're more recording of the per cast. Oh thank you, Yeah,
welcome who tonight?

Speaker 4 (00:51):
This so trapped in.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Vince, So we have our murder reinos. That what we
call people who listen to this podcast.

Speaker 5 (00:57):
I know we didn't make that, No we didn't, but.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
That's what people call it.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
And Vince said that, So Stephen has the per cast
about Kat since Ben said that the people who listened
should be called pervert.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Three rs.

Speaker 5 (01:11):
You got to do that.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
I'm going to start doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
And I said you could have it. He said, you
can tell me.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
You know, that's a free one. Cool, Hi, everybody, it's
episode thirty two was up. I'm going to bring it
up back have already threatened to do that was up?

Speaker 2 (01:30):
And that sound she got murdered.

Speaker 5 (01:34):
She was so hacky. The town killed her, the city
kills her.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
She she got killed.

Speaker 5 (01:39):
Do you have a house keeping I.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Mean things I just generally want to talk about.

Speaker 5 (01:44):
Well, I'll say mine that our internet.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Specifics that are important.

Speaker 5 (01:49):
Forrester just battling because it's mine.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
How much I hate TV?

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:55):
Did you watch the last night of I Fucking?

Speaker 2 (01:57):
I just I don't. There's a block and I mean
to and I haven't.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
No answer is no, Well, then you don't want his
DNA inside you and you'll never get to have it.
He was also on Colbert. We actually watched it at
work because enough people at my work like him that
we were all.

Speaker 5 (02:13):
Like, let's watch Is he cute? And he is perfection.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
It's there's something like disney Esque about the scale of
the size of his eyes to the rest of his face.
His nose looks like he got a nose job. It's
so perfectly shaped. And then in general he just has
the he has the charisma, but he's very low key,
like he's smart enough to know not.

Speaker 5 (02:35):
To overplay it.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
We're talking about rism Ed, we're talking about Britain zone,
and he's got.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
The British accent man like the like the like street
British accent.

Speaker 5 (02:46):
Yeah, stop it. But he can do any British I guess.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
I only heard I only heard him speaking in a
British accent when he was rapping, so I was like, yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:53):
He was trying to he's turning it a little bit on,
but okay. But also I saw.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Him in the The Unwilling Fundamentalist.

Speaker 5 (03:02):
What's that movie? He stars in a movie.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
About an a fundamentalist that doesn't want to be who
doesn't The word is an unwilling No, sorry, it's part
of the title.

Speaker 5 (03:12):
I'm his number one fan. But in that when he
had like a posh.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
British accent in and I want it to be dirty, please.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Jesus keep it dirty. Hi, Vince, it's this Karen. She
said more gross stuff about Rizam at this time.

Speaker 5 (03:29):
The thing I wanted to mention was.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
A woman named Liam Moffatt made us this amazing animated
opening to our podcast theme song. You can see it
on the Twitter page. You can see it on the
Facebook page.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
I'll put it on the I'll put it on the
we have a new Facebook fan page because some people
told us that that's how you're supposed to do things.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Don't be closed off all the time. Maybe open some
stuff up.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
Yeah, So we have a new Facebook fan page. I
will post it on there. It is it's your like,
how do you How did you feel watching it with
your music and your voice?

Speaker 5 (04:03):
I couldn't breathe.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah, And but also it's that weird thing of like
it's very strange when someone holds up something you did
and goes, now, here's something I did to match it. Like,
it's just magical. I love it, gorgeous and it's the cutest,
Like the style of it is so like there's a
little skeleton in every scene and the way it's.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
So moves, the way everything flows, its moves, but it's creepy,
very creepy.

Speaker 5 (04:28):
It's all perfectly done.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Celianne Moffett, thank you so much for Thank you doing
that and thinking of us and participating in that very
creative and cool way.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Thanks to everyone who creates. Like there's so many cute
drawings of us. Even though we berated them.

Speaker 5 (04:42):
Last week, they like it. You know.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
I keep posting them on Insta. We have an instagram
my favorite Murder, and I just them constantly. I like,
can't stop posting all day, and I feel like I'm
getting annoying because there's just so much cool shit to post.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Well, it's fun to be able to go like, well,
here's here because the people like it.

Speaker 5 (04:58):
Yeah, you notice that shit.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
It's you know, favorite one from the last episode is
you know the part where I go dough A dead body,
a female dead body. Someone took a photo of my
face and put it over the face in sound of
music Sound of Music where she's singing on this on
the hilltop to all the children, and it's just my
little face, like a perfect photo of me with my

(05:22):
mouth open, like looking like I'm singing, and it says
do it, oh, Stephen showing it to Karen right now,
I will put that Really, who did it, Jessica p
Thank you, Jessica Pe.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Well done, Jessica Pee. That is hilarious because also the
George's face, her mouth is open, it looks like she's
going hi, but she's holding a guitar.

Speaker 5 (05:43):
That's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
So much good shit good.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
You know. Sadly, somebody put my face inside of Selena's face. No, no, no,
it's not not truly sadly. Oh, this is comedy podcast.
But it was a picture of me before I stopped drinking.
You can find such a range of hideous pictures.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Of me online.

Speaker 5 (06:04):
It's hilarious. I hate it. It's not cool at all.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
When your weight fluctuates, you just and you get photographed
first things a lot, Yeah, and you.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Just you just kind of have to separate and you
just I like, my thing is just like whatever, I
know what I look like. It's not Oh my god,
this one where they put my face and just I'm
pretty sure it was Slena's picture. It was like big
eighties hair with the pink background.

Speaker 5 (06:26):
Did you see that?

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (06:28):
It was. I was like, is that Charles Bronson wearing
a wig?

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Like?

Speaker 5 (06:33):
It looked horrifying.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
I hate that.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
But of course I'm not complaining because of course all
the people who saw it were like, oh my god,
this is so cute.

Speaker 5 (06:41):
Where you're just like what.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Anyway, I had to complain and also just we looked
it up. This was in Oh wait if it if
it was from the Minnesote, then you might not know
what we're talking about. But last week's Miniso, what's that.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
We have to say?

Speaker 5 (06:59):
Correction Interaction corner im Yeo yo Yo Georgia talked about
a lady who had a disease.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
And many doctors, frighteningly enough listen to this podcast. Yeah,
because those are the people or medical students, I'm not
sure people who know how it's actually pronounced.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Well, sorry, not sorry. I'm not a doctor or a
medical student.

Speaker 5 (07:19):
Never say sorry, not sorry, just don't be sorry.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Okay, Yeah, I thought you were a be rating me
for trying to bring that back when you're trying to
bring what.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Was it with?

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Oh good point, No, throw that right in my face.
I accept that you're one hundred percent right, but I
hate sorry, not sorry, because you don't have to be
sorry at all. Is that I saw that crop up
in like girls talking where it's like girls, look sorry,
that's not sorry, where it's like no, no, no, what you
start out as look motherfucker and then you say your

(07:47):
actual opinion.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Sorry, I'm kneeling, don't apologize.

Speaker 5 (07:51):
I'm so tired. Oh you're right, I'm so tired. Here's
how you pronounce.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
It, barrassing, drag by well, no knowing you fucking seizure.

Speaker 5 (08:03):
Jesus, I got it.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
There's like that's a sound clip from some guys on
the radio or something in England who also didn't know
how to say gian barre syndrome Kean Barra. Well, so there, well,
consider me wrong again, consider me always wrong.

Speaker 5 (08:24):
Correction Connam, correcting Conna for me.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
I let's see what do I want to say? I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
People are getting their shirts now, and like, okay, this
is so. I'm so mad that I don't have it
ready to plug this week, but will be by next week.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
We had I'm gonna just tease it.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
We had a good friend help us create a new
design for shirts. You guys are your favorite quotes? Yeah,
and they're fucking tits. You're gonna love them.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
They're very cool looking, they're very wearable, and there's some
of the quotes that you love. Uh. And so we
have the official T shirts coming out, the official My
Favorite Murder podcast. You're in a cult? Call your dad
T shirt? Don't tell Oh?

Speaker 5 (09:09):
Well that's it.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Okay, sorry, that's a tease.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
That was more than a teeth. Well, that was one
of them. That's just one of several, one of several.
Get ready, and so shirts are going to be like happening.
Maybe tots are going to be happening. Fucking mate, let's
do something I don't know. Let's do some mugs. Why
not do mugs?

Speaker 2 (09:26):
You wandering coffee out of Murder cups.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Our friend is a very talented designer cat, so it's
going to be an appealing looking thing. That also is
the thing you.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
Like, right, so those are coming. Sorry to tease the
shit out of it, but that is that?

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Uh what else? How are you? What are you gonna
say anything?

Speaker 1 (09:44):
I wish you guys could see Georgia right now. Her
legs are so far up in the air. She is
the most casual person I've ever seen in my life.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
This is the loungiest You're fucking lounging in your home,
lounging so hard as is your American right Stephen, can
you take.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
A photo of me lounging right now on the vent?
It ticks my sweat. I'm also sweating.

Speaker 5 (10:03):
That's cool sweat lounge.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
And I got I got a memi cat on the
cool just happened? Check it on the well.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
Let's plug our places Instagram dot com, slash my paper murder.

Speaker 5 (10:17):
Oh the face, it's like a picture, finally a picture
of myself.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
I'm not mad mad. Look at those cheekbones, Karen.

Speaker 5 (10:22):
I wasn't even really sucking the mall you parts a
bit off. Look at you.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
That's my entire butt.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Also that's gonna end up on that's gonna end up
on Wiki feet.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
I promise you and I have.

Speaker 5 (10:33):
A Wiki feet page.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
I mean, look at my feet, they're pretty fucking cute.
Let's be honest.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
You deserve it, thank you. Yeah, I'm gonna own it.
You know why because I don't have a Wikipedia page.
So I'm okay with Wiki ft.

Speaker 5 (10:44):
So you're gonna be fine.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Here we go.

Speaker 5 (10:46):
You gotta break in somehow.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
You know what else pisses me? Well, I'm not gonna
tell you.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
Never mind, I am pissed off that my high school
they have like a list of like alumni who have
done things not on there.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Where's the list on Wikipedia?

Speaker 5 (11:00):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Please, will someone who's good at computers go on to
Wikipedia and edit that page.

Speaker 5 (11:05):
What's the high school name?

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Woodbridge High School in Irvine, California.

Speaker 5 (11:09):
Woodbridge High School, Irvine, California.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Also, let everyone know I hate I hated them all.
I hate them.

Speaker 5 (11:13):
No, don't put that in now.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
This is your high school Wiki feet page.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Okay, the fan page. Okay, here's this is hilarious. So
I try to start the fan page. We can't use
the word murder in the title because Facebook is like
we recognize a word that you can't fucking you can't
say because you're not you're a grown adult.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
And okay, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (11:34):
I'm fine.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
So it's MFM podcast is the name of the Facebook
fan page?

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Cool, So you kind of have to be an insider
to know. Yeah, it's the just the initials.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Like winky wink.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
And then I think that means also that maybe your
your family and friends won't know that you're part of
a murder group.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
And I think that's say MFM.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yeah, I think that's what people are worried about until
they see the logo again, grown adult.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, I mean that's the other thing too, of all
the people we know that that say I'm not weird,
I'm not alone. You know, all that excitement, Well now
it's turning into because then the second wave seemed to
be people at work keep catching me listening to this
and giving me the loves, are seeing the logo and
giving me a weird look. But we just got a

(12:20):
tweet from somebody who sent a picture that said was
it on the Facebook page or Twitter? I can't remember
were They hang up a sign on the door that
says murder time, do not come in and then listen
to the podcast at at work altogether like the whole
crew does.

Speaker 5 (12:40):
Yeah, well, I mean she didn't.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
She was very.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
Vague about all of it, or shouting her I should
find the name. But if you guys hear this, will
you please send us at least slightly more information so
we can give you a legit shout out because I
it made me laugh so hard when I saw that.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
Or send us a photo of all of you listening
secretly listen. And also I love that I've I've been
noticing in the Facebook page, like I'll like look at
some comments sometimes late at night, and it'll be like comment, comment, comment,
and then someone will comment to someone who already commented,
and it'll be.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Like Alex, you're in this group, Like oh my god,
what's that? I can't believe it.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
Like we're totally going like it's people keep recognizing their
friends in there, and it's like hilarious.

Speaker 5 (13:18):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
Well, the same thing happened to me with my sister's
best friend, Adrian, who I talked about I think on
the very first episode.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
She had a home.

Speaker 5 (13:25):
Yeah yeah, she well, she loved Richard Ramirez.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
So when I said, who should I talk about it
came out of her mouth so fast that that's when
I discovered she was a murder Yeah, before the podcast
had even started. And it was shocking because I've known
her since she was twelve years old and I was
ten years old, so and never knew that that was
an interest of hers. So she recently started listening, she'd
went backwards through it and has been texting me constantly

(13:49):
of like, dude, I love this podcast so much. And
Adrian and my sister were two of the most evil
teenage girls anyone could have had been nightmare to grow
up with. They were sullen and sulky, and I the
only way they would let me hang out with them
when she spent the night on the weekend. She would
come and stay the whole weekend with us, but they

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would lock the door and leave me out of the room.
And what I had to do to get in the
room with Laura and Adrian was make up a lip
sync dance routine to a Pat Benatar song.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
Well we're not moving forward right now on this podcast,
and tell you fucking do that.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Let's relive your nightmares.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
We just basically play a pap but then yeah, and
then you'd be like, right now, she's lifting her legs
straight above her head.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Oh my god, that's so big. Sisters man.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Well, and also just if you're younger and you hate
your sister, just know that's gonna change around when you're
like twenty two and then you're gonna be besties for
the rest of your life.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
You're gonna become the cool one exactly. My sister knows
what's up well.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
And also I have my sister and Adrian to think
for like all of my training, because that's pretty much
the most professional training I got.

Speaker 5 (14:55):
And then oh yeah, on stage it was pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
I think my I'm scared. I think my dad might
start listening to this because it's what I thought he
was already.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
I don't think so, because he was like I was
hanging out with him over the weekend and he was like,
tell me about your thing, like they don't understand it's
a thing. And I was like, oh, it's this thing,
and I'm like, well, he doesn't know how to download podcasts,
and then he would like looked at his phone and
he like showed me the podcast.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
And he was like this, and I was like, ahh, yeah, no,
it's okay. He's cool.

Speaker 5 (15:24):
He doesn't care about the Efford, does he?

Speaker 3 (15:26):
Oh my god, No, my god. You can't have me
as a child and care about the Efford. Care about
a lot of things. Honestly, I think he's happy that
I'm alive, survived my own.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
I mean that I'm alive, that you're alive of us
me too.

Speaker 5 (15:41):
It was supposed to be a compliment.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Oh thank you.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
All Right, you guys, we're going to get into our
favorite murders. Yes, we're gonna take a quick pee break.
We'll be right back for my favorite murder.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Skippers.

Speaker 5 (15:56):
This is your time to come on home, Come on home,
be right back.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Hey, We're back skippers.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
Hi friends, all right, My favorite murder this week is
Selena Kintina Caerez No. And the reason I'm doing it
is that it is audio engineer Stevie raymore so the.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Per cast favorite.

Speaker 5 (16:19):
Murder A tribute.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
I yeah, no, I.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
You've been sending me ship.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
I was like sitting and I.

Speaker 4 (16:24):
Was like, oh my god, I'm watching it and then
see Aaron Brockovich did like a true crime. It's crazy
that I watched Watch Day. Well. I grew up listening
to Selena because I'm half my yeah, I'm half Mexican,
and so that music was always playing, and I remember
like even listening to music, just feeling really sad.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
For Were you little when she died, so you didn't know?

Speaker 4 (16:42):
Yeah, I mean I knew it affected because I would
still go over to my family's houses.

Speaker 5 (16:46):
And stuff, and like she was huge. She was like
Madonna times twenty.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
Well, i'll tell you all about it.

Speaker 5 (16:52):
Oh, Oh, did.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
I stephen ka Continua?

Speaker 4 (16:57):
Oh I don't. I mean, I'm but I don't know
how to speak Spanish.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
I wrote it down like I was very I didn't.

Speaker 4 (17:02):
Notice speak Spanish either.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
I know, I know you shut up.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Oh, Karen, your doorbell phone is ringing. Selena Kuittinia Perez
was born on April sixteen, nineteen seventy one, in Lake Jackson, Texas,
and was called the Mexican American Madonna.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
Oh, I must have known that. I've watched the movie
with Jayla.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
I haven't seen it.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
Wonderful, Gosh, she's beautiful. They were both beautiful, and she
was poised to become a crossover success when her death
turned her into a legend. Selena's father discovered Selena's quote
perfect timing in pitch and helped his kids form a band,
and she was like nine years old when I started
performing Wow the band once his parents her parents lost

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their family restaurant. The band became the family's main source
of income and they were in poverty. And this career,
Selena's career, just took them out of poverty because they
were evicted from their home during the Texas oil bust
of nineteen eighty two, and they moved to Corpus Christi, Texas,
which sounds very hot, doesn't it.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Yeah, I think it's super southern in Texas, like down
on the Gulf.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Maybe, right, that's a I know. I was like, right,
So I want to.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Well, my cousin Cherl lived in Corpus Christi when I
was like in junior high. But why do I ever
say anything?

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Is that a big military town? I think it is.

Speaker 5 (18:25):
Yes, In fact, it has twenty five that I.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
Christie for the rest of this.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
So then the family band began recording music professionally, and
in nineteen eighty four, when Selena was I think thirteen,
the band released its first LP, Selena Lostinos Fuck I Hope, I.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
Hope It's Selena and Fred Flintstone's dog.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Dinosaur Hate mail can be sent to Karen Kilgarath.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
I'm just translated Karen Car's apartment or house at the
address is so yes, Stephen, you're correct. Selena was a
third generation Texan of Mexican descent, so she didn't grow
up speaking Spanish, so she didn't know any but she
learned all her songs phonetically, and when her popularity grew,
she had to learn it and she did it very quickly,

(19:14):
just like Roxette.

Speaker 5 (19:15):
Like what the band rock set?

Speaker 2 (19:17):
What were they German?

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Oh? Yeah, are Swedish or someth Oh they had to
learn English? Well no, they just sang phonetically. They didn't
know what they were saying.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
That's funny.

Speaker 5 (19:25):
Must have been love. But it's all that she had
no clue without.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Song how but it's so powerful. H But it sounds so.

Speaker 5 (19:35):
The ignorance makes it powerful.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
That's what it is like, because that's what love does too.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
She's a stupid idiot, that's right, Okay. Grew in popularity
in the year nineteen eighty seven. She won the Tonaho
Oh God, I Hanna to Hanno Music Award. I like,
I was watching videos to get this correctly, and I'm
just screwing it all up to Hannah Music Award for
Female Vocal of the Year, and then she landed her

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first major record deal with Capital Latin in nineteen eighty nine.
So she performed several times at the Houston Astroderm Dome
to sold out crowds of more than sixty thousand people,
and after her death, Time described her as the embodiment
of young, smart, hit Mexican American youth from a tight

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knit family and a down to earth personality, a Madonna
without the controversy. Essentially, she was a huge Mexican American
star in her community and was poised to become a
mainstream ses and that community was obsessed with her and
proud of her and felt like, you know, she was
one of their own, and she was a big fucking deal,

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and she seemed like a very sweet person. Everyone in
her band was her family, except the guy, the guitarist
they hired, who she ended up marrying.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Like they were, they seemed like good people.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
It's like a Jackson five situation. Totally super talented, young kid.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Yeah but not creepy. And her dad was the manager,
so they were very.

Speaker 5 (21:04):
More like a Partridge family.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
But there we go. But actually, yeah, or like a
Manson family. Fuck cut that out. Don't cut that out?
Not sorry? All right?

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Where am I cut to? Mid nineteen ninety one? Yolanda Saldivar.
She was so you see all these photos of her
and videos of her. She was when she got arrested.
She was thirty five years old. What that's quote unquote
my age. She's thirty five. She looks like a fucking grandma. Yeah, okay,
So ninety one, Yolanda Saldivar was around thirty and she

(21:42):
was an in home nurse for patients with terminal cancer
and just a fan of Tahano music. Just a fucking
random woman. She had a history of stealing money from
her employers as well as trying to become intertwined with
the lives of other performers. And she attended one of
Selena's concert and became a fucking psychotic fan with the

(22:05):
intent of starting Selena's fan club. She started obsessively calling
Selena's father, leaving almost fifteen messages until he gave her
permission in June of nineteen ninety one to be the
president of the fan club, which sounds like, okay, you
know what, take this run with it to your thing right.

Speaker 5 (22:21):
Right, because you're harassing us.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yeah, So I mean that's it's it's the thing that
they didn't know back then that people know nowadays.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Which is don't engage. Right.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Yeah, fifteen calls to anybody at any time is too many. Yeah,
I don't care if, like you have a flat tire
and you're calling life.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
She's an assistant and she wants to run this thing
and make us more money and it's a thing that
we haven't started, and maybe it'll help her with her Like,
this is what I'm thinking, was there, you know.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
What I mean?

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Like, I'm just saying that's three calls totally in a day,
totally totally.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Also, like you don't need to have contact with her
after that. Okay.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
So as president of the fan club, she was responsible
for membership benefits, collecting and promoting Selena, all that kind
of thing. And she actually didn't meet Selena until December
ninety one, but they became close friends and Yolanda became
a trusted trusted by her whole family. In ninety four,

(23:16):
she became Selena's assistant and quit her job as a nurse.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
Oh I didn't know that, Yeah, I did not know that.
I thought she was just the fan club.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
No, she became her assistant. She quit her job as
a nurse, even though she was making more money as
a nurse than she was doing this. Like she was
just so obsessed and had posters all over her house
and people come over. She would just make them watch
Selena videos, talked about nothing else and was just like
kind of like crazy about Selena.

Speaker 5 (23:42):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Yeah, I was kind of that way about kids in
the hall for a little while.

Speaker 5 (23:45):
But it was a dark period of my wife.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah. I was just I had flunked out of college
and I was just weirdly obsessed. It was when they
were running them on Comedy Central, and I just it
was the only thing that made me happy.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Laugh was the creepiest that was. I've never heard that
laugh before.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
Just realize, I mean, every we all have the potential.
Everybody likes a thing, sure like crazy.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
And wants some like has this feeling of like ownership
and like yeah, and like no one understands it the
way I understand it. It's almost made for me kind
of a thing. Yes, but have you met them and
told that that?

Speaker 1 (24:16):
See? My thing is that And maybe it's just from
working in TV. I really don't like celebrities, Like, there's
nothing more disappointing. And I think most people know it
these days from reality TV and stuff. Celebrities are very
disappointing in real life except for us. I just like, yeah, no,
they're just I mean, the most they'll be is slightly pleasant.

(24:39):
But for the most part, you will you will have
regretted trying to be like, hey, can I get a
picture I'm a big fan or whatever you're not you.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
In and it's some obscure thing and they don't care.

Speaker 5 (24:50):
They don't care. It's super weird.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
It's like, you know, yeah, it ruins it almost so yeah,
good luck everybody.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
Good luck in life. You're fucking cute little fantasies clothes,
all right. Well then, so in ninety four, Selena starts
opening fashion boutiques. She has two of them opening up.
It's called Selena et cetera. I didn't know that that, Yeah,
I didn't either, because she has this crazy style. It's

(25:17):
very nineties and very like on point, like you know,
almost Madonnaye, but a little more hip.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
It cute.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
It's those huge well from what I remember in the movie,
there's like a lot of ruffles. Yeah, and a lot
of like you know, shimmery, velvety pants and stuff like.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
That, hoop earrings and red lipstick and yeah, it's totally
pretty fucking sweet. So so she she's opening these clothing, these
fashion stores and asks Saldivar to become the manager of
the botiques. So Saldivart, because of doing this, is authorized
to write and cash checks, had access to the bank
accounts associated with the fan club and the botiques. And

(25:57):
Selena gave her an American Express card for the purpose
some conducting company business.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
So she put her stalker. She made her stocker the CEO.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Oh of they know that she's the stalker though, oh right,
oh yeah, Selene has no idea that she's the stoker.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
She just thinks she's a good friend of hers.

Speaker 5 (26:14):
That's like willing to do all this hard.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
Yeah, that's like, you know, Selene's in this bubble of
becoming famous and touring and all these things, and this
person is becoming a trusted confidante and is a huge fan.

Speaker 5 (26:29):
And clearly is an intelligent woman if she's a nurse
that other yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
Totally okay, Yeah, And everyone said she was very manipulative
and good at you know, being manipulative.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Yeah, so Teene calls, that's all I have to say.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Yeah, it worked somehow.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
So within a year Saldivar had mismanaged the boutiques and
they were failing. And then upon investigation, the family finds
out that Saldivar had embezzled more than I saw sixty thousand,
but I also saw a hundred thousand dollars wow, and
forged checks from both the fan club and the boutiques.
But Selena refused to believe it. She was like, no way,

(27:06):
that's my friend. Like even her father, who was a manager,
and her husband and brother were like dude. They were
like dude, probably not like that. But eventually Selena kind
of sees some shit going on and believes it, and
the family fires. Hortells her not to come near Selena,
but Selena still wanted to become friends, stay friends. She

(27:27):
was like, you don't work from anymore, but let's say friends.
So at this time, Saldivar purchase is a snubnose thirty
eight caliber revolver. And here's what I think is the
fucked up thing is is thirty eight caliber hollow point bullets.
Then the bullets were designed to cause more extensive injuries
than normal bullets, which like throws out later we'll talk

(27:49):
about it. So on March thirty first, in nineteen eighty five,
she convinces Selena to meet You'll not her alone in
a day's in motel room, promising to restore just reich
earned financial documents that she had stolen, and telling Selena
that she had to come alone and that she had
that Yolanda had been raped and needed someone to talk to.

(28:10):
And this she has to make up this lie because
three other times in the past couple of weeks, Yolanda
had tried to get her alone and it had been
foiled every time, and her husband had come or did
they had met in a parking lot or something like that.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
So, so Yolanda was trying to get her alone.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
Yeah, So in the hotel room, they kind of they
kind of fight over the the documents, and as they're
doing that, the gun comes out and Selena turns to
run and out the door, and Saldivar shoots her in
the back as she's running out, severing an artery leading

(28:47):
from her heart and it came out the front of.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Her chest on the other side.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
So it's kind of like a shoulder shot and Selena's
running towards the motel lobby as she's bleeding, and so
of our comes there was witness said that she chased
after her, pointing the gun at her and calling her
a bitch. Selena around one hundred and thirty yards to
the motel's lobby and collapsed on the floor. And meanwhile

(29:13):
Yolanda's now trying to escape in her car, and it
was theorized that she's heading to the recording studio where
the rest of Selena's family is to kill them too.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Think that's what they thought.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
But a police officer who was around the corner responded
stopped her and instead of getting out of the car,
she pulls the car into a parking space and gets
kind of blocked in in this parking spot. So she's
in her car in a parking spot with a gun,
won't come out. In the meantime, the motel staff is

(29:45):
trying to help Selena. An ambulance comes in less than
two minutes, but Selena's pronounced dead at one oh five
from loss of blood and cardiac arrest. Her last words
were this fucking makes me want to cry. Her last words,
your Yolanda Sala Salav Saldivar, Room one fifty eight. Those

(30:06):
were her last words, like not tell my family I
love them.

Speaker 5 (30:09):
And she was just trying to make sure they knew.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yeah, which makes me so sad. It's just like the
last words out of your mouth are about your killer's name.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
Well, yeah, I mean I know, like I know, like
you should get them out, but then it's just wish
it could then be like something sweeter.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
And she was only twenty three years old. Oh no, no, baby, Well,
an autopsy's performed, and this is what I thought when
I heard about her running after getting shot. She died
of heart failure.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
Wait, though we realized Selina's heart fueled by adrenaline, and
I think from running pumped all.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
The blood out of her surflatory system.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
So I feel like if she hadn't run, she either
might have gotten shot again by Yolanda, but but or
the blood might not.

Speaker 5 (30:53):
Have It's those hollow point bullets.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Yeah, I mean, I don't think you can get shot
and it comes out the other side and you can
survive that, right.

Speaker 5 (31:00):
Because isn't that part of it?

Speaker 1 (31:01):
Is like they explode inside you and so when they
come out, they just instead of a bullet hole size
coming out. It like rips out. I mean those things
are evil. Yeah, well there eats. The thing is so
event so seals of ours trying to say it. I
was just trying to say that it was an accident,
that she was going to kill herself. But it's like, well,
why did you buy those bullets then? Yeah, like you
clearly had a motive. So meanwhile, there's a nine hour

(31:26):
standoff with Yolanda in which she is in her car
with the gun to her head, hysterically on the phone
with the hostage or with the negotiator, trying to say
that she didn't mean to kill her she was an accident,
she was trying to kill herself, and all these other excuses.
But ultimately, let's see, da da da. She gave herself

(31:48):
in and she got arrested. She's tried for first degree
murder and claimed that the gun quote accidentally went off,
and all these other excuses, but ultimately it didn't work,
and the jurors deliberated for less three hours, and on
October twenty third, nineteen ninety five, they found Saldivar guilty.
She's sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
In thirty years, which is going to be March twenty
twenty five. But everyone's like, she is so incredibly hated
in Texas. She will be murdered and she has to
be in solitary confinement because of that, because.

Speaker 5 (32:24):
The rest of everybody wants to kill her in jail.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
Yeah, everyone in jail who is huge Selena fans her
whole life, wants to fucking murder her.

Speaker 5 (32:30):
Yeah that's I mean, yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
Yeah, so's she spends every day twenty three hours a
day alone in a nine by six foot cell.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Let's see.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
So the case has been described as the most important
trial for the Latino population, and it was compared to
the O. J. Simpson murder trial. It was one of
the most publicly followed trials in the history of Texas. Wow,
her posthumous nineteen ninety five crossover album Dreaming of You
debuted one on the Billboard charts and became triple platinum.

Speaker 5 (33:03):
That just gave me.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
She was the first Hispanic artist to have a predominantly
Spanish language album debut and peak at number one.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
That's so fucking cool, I know, I mean, terribly sad,
but also because I remember that being in the movie
where it's like the it's a tragedy anyway, but this
was someone who was poised on the verge of crossing
over at a time before that was like before j Low,

(33:31):
before any of those things we.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
Remember like in the late you and I and people
are agin remember in the late nineties like this huge,
this huge Latin pop explosion and yeah, that was like
the first time it became mainstream.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
So Selena's doing this in the early nineties.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Yeah, so she's for Ricky Martin before like any of
that where it was kind of like the sexy you
know Kira anyway, that.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Wasn't that wasn't on on American pop radio.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Yeah, like that was not on there at all.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
So she was kind of a trailblazer and seemed like
a good person and this fucking psycho bitch fan Like
I didn't I didn't know. I always pictured it differently,
and it's just like so fucking tragic.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Well, it's also fascinating that thing of like when you
can it's like when you were saying, you know, she's
just this random person, but you do trace those things
of like a person who embezzles, a person who like
those kind of smaller crimes that's how every story goes
like this, where it's like they always have a background
where they're trying to get anything they want at any.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Price, and they have like gray area morals too.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
Yeah, Like I don't like, Yeah, someone, if I knew
a friend embezzled money, I would not trust that person.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Even though I'm allowed to steal money from other pe
it's not your money.

Speaker 5 (34:57):
No, No, you don't get to hat.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
You have to a buy water unerals in life and
not screw other people over, and.

Speaker 5 (35:03):
You don't want to be that person.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Like I remember there was a cafe I was working
at when I was a teen, and I had it
in my mind. I decided that I could take a
twenty dollars bill when I was closing at night so
I could buy beer because they only paid me minimum wage.
This whole rationalization totally, and I did it two times.
Was racked with guilt about it. And then the manager

(35:27):
told me, did I tell you this? Or the manager
who was also my friend like someone I hung out with.

Speaker 5 (35:31):
He goes, I don't I know something's going on. We're
always short. I think it might be the janitor.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
And then I was like, oh my, because that's what
happened you steal somebody else could go down for it,
or like, I mean, the idea that he even would
suspect this person who has nothing to do with it. It.
Then I thought maybe he told me that because he
knew it was day, because it was always me, or
it was me the two times, and that was just
a manipulation, which God bless you, genius moveeah. But also

(35:57):
like and then I like, the next week, I was
talking to my dad on the phone and we were
talking about something else, and then he goes, Karen, there's
some people out there that just can't keep their hands
out of the till. And then I almost threw up
because I was like, I almost want to go that's.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Me, my dad, My sweet dad is talking about bad.

Speaker 5 (36:16):
People, and I'm the bad You don't want to be
the bad person.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
You don't. You don't need whatever the thing is you
think you need, you don't, And get your own, get
your own, get your own.

Speaker 5 (36:26):
You can.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Yeah, keep your hands out of the kiddie.

Speaker 5 (36:30):
That's super weird that I talked about that.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
This so weird. Sorry, that hip hair.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
It's super like we've never talked about her before, No,
not at all. That is super weird. Did I talk
about your murder yet?

Speaker 1 (36:45):
What's interesting? It? All right, Karen, But you've lived near it.
I'm sure you've heard about it, okay, because it's the
Zanku Chicken murders. And there's one on my way from
work driving here, there's one here, I drove by one.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
Yet's tell everyone, let's give everyone directions from Sandko Chicken
to my apartment.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
That's why I got real vague. Yeah, but yes, so
my mouth is watering.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Sanko chicken is so good.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
Zanko Chicken is legendary and Los Angeles. If you've ever
visited here, if you have friends that live here, and
you're not wealthy, you've probably eaten here because Sanko chicken
is the best food that you can get for a
decent price, and everybody knows it and everybody talks about it.

Speaker 5 (37:38):
It's up there with Rosco's.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
Chicken and waffles in that way of like, if you're here,
you have to go try.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
This, definitely, and Pink's Pink's hot dogs. That kind of thing.

Speaker 5 (37:47):
Thinks is shit. It's so shit, but it's fun to
stand in line drunk, So go there.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Not gonna lie. I have fucking chomps some chili dogs
my day.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
But I've for twenty years, I've driven by Pinks and
watched people standing in line at three in the morning
to get those hot dogs. So the first time I
went there, I was like, this is going to be crazy,
and it was just hot dogs.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
It's just hot dogs. But yeah, they're gross in a
good way.

Speaker 5 (38:08):
Yeah, it's like greasy, it's drunken food.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Total totally okay.

Speaker 5 (38:13):
So there.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
I got most of my information from this awesome article
from Los Angeles magazine that was written by a guy
named Mark Ahrax and it's from April first, two thousand
and eight. There's way more information than I could even
entertain So if this interests you at all, look at that.
You can google it and it'll come up right away.
And I remember reading this probably five years ago, because

(38:37):
when this murder happened, everybody knew about it all of
a sudden, and everybody was crazy freaked out about it.
It'd be like your local mom and pop cafe, like
some terrible thing happening there. But the story behind it
is kind of fascinating because it's like, so in Los Angeles,
there's a there's a city that's right behind the hill
that says Hollywood on it. Right behind that city is

(39:00):
both Burbank and Glendale. I mean right behind that mountain
is Burbank and Glendale. And Glendale has the single largest
population of Armenian people that isn't Armenia in the world.

Speaker 5 (39:13):
Wow, it's huge.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
And Armenians came there after they were there was the
Turkish genocide, which there we see parades about and flags about,
and it's like, it's weird because I never heard of
anybody being Armenian until I moved to la And now
I feel like I know a ton of stuff about
the Armenian culture simply because like I live in Burbank,

(39:36):
I live close to Glendale.

Speaker 5 (39:37):
So anyway, this is this restaurant.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
Zancoo Chicken was started originally in Beirut Lebanon by a
man named uh And the pronunciation on this is going
to if you're Armenian or if you're just not a
valley girl, it's going to offend you. Vartkiss Iskenderian and
his family started the first Zanko Chicken in Beirut in

(40:03):
nineteen sixty two, and then they brought it over here
in nineteen eighty three, and it was The chain actually
was opened by Mardiros who is the Sun and his
parents were not interested in having a restaurant in America.
They wanted to do dry cleaning, maybe go into the

(40:25):
suit business. They looked into all these other businesses that
were more kind of reliable than a restaurant. But Mardiro's
believed that this. He looked around and he saw how
few Middle Eastern restaurants there were with so with such
huge populations of people that would appreciate the food, there

(40:45):
was almost no food to feed them that was like
from their home totally. So they opened their first restaurant
at the corner of Sunset in Normandy in East East
la Hey and and the La Times said it's the
best roast chicken in town at any price, which is

(41:06):
kind of really saying something for themst Shishi restaurants they
have here. The Zagat Guide would say that Zanku was
one of America's best meal deals America, not just la
which is cool. Jonathan Gold, who is a very famous
food writer he adores Zanku Chicken, reviewed it and said
it the chicken was superb, and nothing in heaven or

(41:29):
on earth compares with the garlic paste.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Oh my God. That garlic paste.

Speaker 5 (41:33):
The garlic paste is what everybody talks about.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
And it was invented by Marduros's grandmother shot and his
mother makes it, made it all by hand, so it
was a secret recipe. People still don't know what's in it.
It's this white paste that you get with your chicken
and your rice and your hummus and your pedas.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
It's a little tap it's like a sigh on the side.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
And it is tangy and pungent and garlic, but there's
something else going on. It's kind of like butter, like
you can't figure out. All you want to do is
eat it and put everything that.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
You eat into it. Then for the next day you're
belching garlic. Yes, if you're killed with garlic, you reak.
It's quite an experience.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
So that was kind of their secret weapon, aside from
the fact that they figured out that other tissery chicken places.
They realized you have to move the chicken itself, and
you have to play with the temperatures.

Speaker 5 (42:29):
You can't just keep it on one temperature all the time.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
So they basically kind of went in there and tried
to figure out how to give people who wanted to
eat authentic Middle Eastern food, the best version of that food,
and not just go like here, yeah, here's whatever, which
is amazing. Apparently one time on Curb Your Enthusiasm, Larry
David referred to it as chicken so good it could
end the rift in the Middle East, so like everybody

(42:54):
in LA.

Speaker 5 (42:54):
Knows about it.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
It was also in a Beck song.

Speaker 5 (42:56):
That's right, that's right, there was.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
There's a list on Wikipedia of all the popular culture things.
There was somebody on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I'd also
like to eat there. So they started as this hole
in the wall Chicken place, and after I think like
over two years, they were making two million dollars a
year and half of that was pure profit.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 5 (43:22):
So they they.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
Were doing obviously great. So there were rumors. Oh so
in this article is one of my favorite things. In
this article, this guy Mark the writer talks starts out
by talking about the Armenian culture and everything, and he
says there's a saying that little old Armenian ladies say
in our Median, which is let's sit crooked and talk straight,

(43:47):
which totally made me think of us. Isn't that the
best let's sit, cook crooked and talk straight. That's basically,
let's gossip.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
All right.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
That is us to a tea, and I'm fucking in
love with it.

Speaker 5 (44:00):
It's the best.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
So of course, in the Armenian I keep saying culture,
but what I mean is community. They this family rose
to prominence obviously because there all of a sudden started
making this tons of money and their food was crazy popular.
But they also were huge philanthropists and gave so much back,

(44:21):
so they were kind of famous within that community because
they were a huge part of it.

Speaker 5 (44:28):
So there was.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Gossip and it was never confirmed that Pepsi was offering
the company thirty million dollars for the chain and the trademark.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Holy shit.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
And this was when it was kind of like peeking
in its popularity. And at that same time, even though
Madeiros's parents did not want to expand, they just wanted
to keep that one the first shop, he was like,
he kept fighting to expand, He's like, we have to
do what we have to do it. So finally they
agreed to split. And what they agreed to do was

(45:01):
I think it's Mardiro's sorry if I know I'm pronouncing
his name wrong, but they agreed that he would take
the concept and he would build the chain, and any
stores that he opened doing that, whether they failed or succeeded,
would be on him, because that's basically what the family
was afraid. Don't let's not lose all our money. We

(45:23):
got a good thing. Let's just keep this good thing going.
And in return he would sign over his stake of
the original in Hollywood to his parents and his two sisters.
But they weren't splitting. It wasn't they weren't they weren't,
you know? It was they were still completely together as
a family. The garlic paste was still made by his
mother at all. The Zankus, which I just can't get over,

(45:45):
is this woman who was probably at the time in
her I would say, probably late sixties or early seventies,
and they say in this article they talk about how
this mother what I think her name is Margaret spelled
with rit.

Speaker 5 (46:03):
She worked.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
She got up at seven thirty every morning and went
into work and worked till seven o'clock at night. And
when she was done cooking for the restaurant, she would
start to cook for the people that worked at the restaurant. Oh,
my goodness, like cook people their homeade, you know, food
from home.

Speaker 5 (46:16):
That they liked.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Take a break, honey, No, she couldn't do it.

Speaker 5 (46:19):
She was like obsessive, which I love.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Oop.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Sorry, that's uh. That reminds me of my grandma. Like
my grandmother's index fingers were both bent at almost like
right angles because of how much she cleaned, because she
was She came over here from Ireland when she was
seventeen and she was a maid for most of her
life until she met my grandfather. So it's like those
old country people are just like, we're here to earn it,

(46:42):
We're here to fucking get it.

Speaker 5 (46:45):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
And also if you start a business, you got to
put give it your all so you make it into something,
and they really did. They were this amazing family success
right and Mardiro's well, he would constantly say to the
who whole family success means nothing if we don't stay
as one. Greed must never rear its head. There's plenty for.

Speaker 5 (47:05):
All of us.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
And so he had a sister and she had two sons,
and they loved all of each other. They were cousins,
but they felt more like they were each other's you know.
He had four boys, she had two sons. They were all,
you know, very very close. In fact, his wife was
quoted as saying, before we married, he told me, I'm

(47:28):
going to live with my parents my whole life. I
will never leave my mother. She was queen of the house,
not me, Next to God, it was his mother. Holy So,
just to give you a sense of that.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
So.

Speaker 5 (47:44):
Madeiro's is diagnosed.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Sorry I don't have the date on this, but I
believe it was in like two thousand and one I
think or so. He gets diagnosed with inoperable bladder and
brain cancer.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Holy shit.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
So he basically felt like he knew something was wrong.
He had pains and places, but he didn't go to
the doctor. He avoided it, and so by the time
he went in it had spread. So he holds a
family meeting and he tells his mother and his sister
and his wife that he's dying and that when he dies,

(48:23):
he wants the Zanku business to go to his four sons.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Now, the problem there is that his four sons were
at the time and had been for a couple of
years fuck ups and in ways where the oldest son
had been caught trying to cheat on a law school
entrance exam and so had been a top student at

(48:47):
I think it was a Woodbridge University and so he
basically got kicked out and was like barred from ever
taking the test because he was gonna cheat.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
So after that he became an evangelical Christian and he
was like one of those guys that stands on the
street with a bullhorn.

Speaker 5 (49:05):
The second oldest.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Son was tried for attempted murder when the pimp of
the sex worker that he had just visited stole money
from him and he ended up chasing him up the
freeway and shooting at his car, and he ended up getting.

Speaker 5 (49:26):
Tried for attempted murder.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Wow, And it turned out to be a mistrial, so
he never had to go to jail. But of course
that mark and of course you know, if this is
the richest family in the community and shit like this
starts popping off, everyone's talking about it. Then the two
younger were basically just on drugs. But when I was
reading this article, it sounded so harsh, But it's like

(49:50):
that's a thing of like I feel like you can't
get rich quick like that and have things just go great,
because once you start getting all the money you want,
and you can buy all the things you want, and
you start wanting the things you can't have. Yeah, and
it gets a little nuts like that.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Oh, I got it. You can look at my riches.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
I just please watch your behavior, is what I'm saying. Okay,
So when he makes this announcement, the room goes silent,
because that's he's saying, they're the ones that should get it.
And his sister and his mother are both just staring
at him. And let's see it, says his mother, sat stonefaced.

(50:31):
She didn't ask what kind of cancer he had or
what the prognosis that the doctors gave him. Instead, she
blurted out, in Armenia, and your son's the shadow they
cast is not yours. And then she got up and
she walked up the stairs and shut the door.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Holy shit.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
Now she lived with him, as he had said, him
and his wife, Rita.

Speaker 5 (50:53):
She wouldn't speak to him.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
So she would get up at seven thirty every morning,
go to work home.

Speaker 5 (51:01):
They'd be standing in the kitchen. She'd get a glass
of water and go upstairs and shut the door.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Your son's dying, yes.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
And as he was getting chemotherapy, as he was losing
his hair. He ended up losing sixty pounds. He was
he was dying of cancer silent treatment.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
That's so sad.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
It's really fucked up, and it's it's very old country.
I mean, it's how some people are.

Speaker 5 (51:26):
It's hard.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
And obviously I think knowing at least based on what
the wife says, the relationship that he had with his mother,
this was breaking him.

Speaker 5 (51:37):
It was terrible.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Sure.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
So after a year of the silent treatment, he went
into his mother's room and he took down that there
was a picture of him as a child in Beirut
with her when he was like four years old, that
she had kept up on her dresser. He took it down,
he took out the picture, he ripped it in half.
He burned the half with her on it, and he
crumpled up the half with him on it and threw

(52:02):
it away and then put the frame back up. And
two days later their house catches on fire. Yeah, yeah,
and their house, they him and his wife almost get
caught in the house. They have to get rescued by fireman.
The house burns down. The mother takes you know, her

(52:22):
stuff or whatever. I don't know how much she had
loved and moves in with the sister. So she's gone
and that's the.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Last house ketch on fire.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
We don't know, no, but he as he's going into
his sickness and on you know, I'm sure tons of painkillers,
and in a weird place, he's telling his son Steve
that the fire is his mother's doing, that she knew
based on what he did to the picture, that that's
that was her and I can't stop doing that, Stephen.

Speaker 5 (52:54):
We need a new setup. Sorry.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
Uh So, yeah, he's hallucinating basically and saying that, ah,
that it was somehow her doing. He believed that his
mother and her sisters and his sisters were plotting against him.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
They are to not give your fucking kids this goddamn business.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Well yeah, I mean, I mean, yeah, yeah, they were.
It's it's everybody's worst nightmare. It's kind of like, oh,
so this this is actually what it comes down to
really at the end. So Steve, having to hear this
and of course, loving his grandmother and being in the
middle of it, said can't you ever forgive her? And

(53:40):
Mardiro's was quoted as saying, God will forgive the devil
before I can forgive my mother. Really shit, And then
he said, because this is a mother, not a devil,
which is super sad. It's like, yeah, ultimately, your mother
turned her back on you when you were in your
worst place. And also it's that thing of I'm sure
after years and years of busting her ass to make

(54:02):
this restaurant work, he was going to come in and
be like, here's how it's going to happen. So it's
like giving bad news and bad news like you.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
Could also be like, you know how some people get
mad at someone who's sick because it's easier than the
sadness you can feel. Yes, so she might have been
mad at him that she had to watch her son die.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Yes, and it's easier than.

Speaker 5 (54:25):
It's a thousand percent easier. Yeah, yeah, that's it's a
stage of grief totally.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
But she yeah, it's it's hard, yeah, because when someone
else has a disease, then it's all about them and
how hard it is for them. You can't be mad
at them. Like I'm sure she had tons of guilt.
It was just this impacted problem.

Speaker 5 (54:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
So anyway, on January fourteenth, two thousand and three, Mardiro's
who had been bedridden and was dying, gets out of
bed puts on a white elk suit that he hadn't
worn in twenty years. Who gets a nine millimeter handgun
and a thirty eight caliber revolver and walks down the

(55:09):
stairs of his house. His wife Rita couldn't believe what
she was seeing, dude, and she said, in the way
it's written in this article, for a man so near
death cancer, everywhere.

Speaker 5 (55:20):
He looked beautiful.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
So he's having some weird last Later on in the article,
they went, he does not have that outfit on, Okay,
So they think that she's remembering it because it's this
crazy moment and she's remembering him basically as his beautiful
young self that she fell.

Speaker 5 (55:40):
Along with, because it's a really beautiful story.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
But she they lived across the street from each other
in Beirut, and he was nineteen and she was twelve,
and he was like no, no, no, no, that's not when
it started.

Speaker 5 (55:53):
That's when she.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
First noticed him because he was like the high roller. Yeah,
don't be freaked out. It's actually very sweet. And then
when she got older, like she was eighteen and he
was like twenty six. Yeah, they started dating, okay, so
it's very sweet, like she was in love with them
all her life. So she said, you're two weeks to
go anywhere. Please get back in bed, and he said,

(56:15):
I feel better, don't worry. I'm just going to go
down to Zanku and see my friends. So she to
see an old friend and so she, you know, was like,
all right, I'll see you soon.

Speaker 5 (56:27):
But he didn't go to Zanku.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
God damn it.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
He didn't go to Zanku. He went to his sister's house.
The housekeeper lets him in, She sits at the table.
Housekeeper gives him lemonade. His sister comes downstairs, she was
in the shower. They sit and have a pleasant conversation
and share some lemonade. Then Margaret, the mother, comes home

(56:50):
from work around two pm and she greets him. She
says hello to the daughter first, then she says lo
to him. Her stuff down, sits at the table, and
the housekeeper goes downstairs to her apartment because she knows
that they.

Speaker 5 (57:06):
Need to talk to each other.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
So they talk for about five minutes and it's just
normal chit chat, and then he reaches into his waistband
for his gun and he shoots his sister across the
table bed shut the point blank and then his mother
screams and runs for the door, and he runs after her,

(57:28):
and he blocks the door. He stands in front of her,
about like fifteen feet away from the door, it said,
and he raises the gun in armenia and she says,
don't shoot me, please, and he shoots her eight times.
He shoots her once. She goes down on the ground,
and then he stands over her and shoots her.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Silly shit.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
He looks around the room and sees his twenty three
year old nephew is on the stairs. No no, and
he just turns around, goes over into the living room,
sits on the couch and shoots himself on the head.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
Holy fuck, are you serious? So oh my god.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Now, Rita the wife, well, at least at the time
of this article, was had to be in charge of
all the zancas, and it was this whole they were
in court about the trademark and who owned the rights
to it was. It's this huge thing and I didn't

(58:29):
even get into it. There's so much more to this article.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
The poor woman, after years, maybe years or maybe however
long taking care of her sick husband. Yeah, that's fucking
stressful as.

Speaker 5 (58:42):
Hell, and raising four boys who.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Are not doing who are fuck ups who.

Speaker 5 (58:47):
Were rich kids?

Speaker 1 (58:48):
You know, who were like who were rich kids? And
she was a very traditional kind of old school wife
where she.

Speaker 5 (58:54):
Didn't work, she didn't go to the store.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
She stayed home and was a housewife and took care
of that family and suddenly just got thrown into this.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
I would never want to raise rich kids, you know.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
No, well, but also because that's not anything you've experienced with,
so like they're having a whole life that you don't
even know.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
Whatever they want.

Speaker 5 (59:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
So then then after taking care of her sick, dying husben,
then this happens and she has to be in charge
of so much shit she didn't expect to be in
charge of.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Yeah, that poor woman.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
Yeah so I don't know. That's That's that rough story
behind the best restaurant in LA.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Who owns it?

Speaker 1 (59:35):
Now?

Speaker 5 (59:36):
I think they still do, but I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
I didn't get Like once the murder part was over,
that article goes on forever talking about all that part.

Speaker 5 (59:45):
So I figure, if people.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
Are super interested in who owns the rights to chickens,
but you can go for.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
It, but I want to My stomach is growling. Are
you hungry now? Oh?

Speaker 5 (59:58):
That's I want to eat four chicken.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
I'm like already thinking about what I'm gonna order tomorrow.
I go there. Wow, I know what a messy, bloody
scene to be cleaned up. I know too.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Oh yeah, that housekeeper was bumbed. Stop it, Karen.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Wow. Yeah that was good. That's a good one.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
I like that one. At least it didn't. I liked
it because yeah, there was food. There's delicious food that
I got to describe. It wasn't all tragedy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
Yeah that was good, good food talk.

Speaker 5 (01:00:37):
Well well, well, wow, you've done it again.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
Speaking of food talk. Oh yeah, go all over the place.
Can you guys rate, review and subscribe on iTunes?

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
And thank you if you've already done it, because we
were very popular podcasts because of you people that and
tell each other and make little groups at work and
shut the door.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Everyone tells their sisters too, which I love. I know
everyone tells someone and then they bond over it.

Speaker 5 (01:01:06):
And the new trend is dad's dads.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
I just got a.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Tweet today about a girl who's just discovered that her
dad listens.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Everyone tell your dad.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Tell your dad if he's chill with the efforts, right,
don't tell my dad.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Don't tell Karen's dad. Please. Thank you guys so much
for listening. It's really lovely. Stay sexy and don't get murdered.
Damn Elvis, you want to cookie, You want cookie?

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
Yay Bye bye