Rule of Law
The Intersection of Law, Tech, Entrepreneurship, and Storytelling. Rule of Law is a podcast by lawyers, for lawyers. In each episode, we sit down with an attorney or legal professional to talk about relevant current events, practical technology for lawyers, career-defining stories, and the business of running a law practice. Our guests range from large firm litigators to boutique practitioners to legal tech CEOs - all sharing stories and wisdom for listeners in the legal profession. Our goal in every podcast is to provide listeners with an engaging, unscripted experience that is insightful, educational, and yes, even fun.
Episodes
What makes work meaningful, and why doesn’t career success always lead to fulfillment?
Jeff Westphal knows that tension firsthand. After leading Vertex, a multibillion-dollar tax technology company, he turned his attention to understanding what gives people a sense of meaning at work and how individuals and organizations can create more of it.
In this episode, we dive into the difference between success and fulfillment, includi...
What does a cannabis attorney actually do? In this episode, we're joined by Andrew Cooper to discuss his unconventional path into cannabis and psychedelics law. Andrew shares why he left a more traditional legal practice, what it takes to build a career in an emerging industry, and why finding work you're passionate about can change the way you think about success. We also explore common misconceptions about the cannabis industry, ...
Drew Jacobs, founder of Jacobs Counsel, joins the podcast to discuss building an AI-native law firm, and representing clients in the sports, entertainment, gaming, and tech industries. We explore how AI is changing legal practice, where it adds value (and where it doesn't), the realities of serving entrepreneurs, and what the future of small law firms looks like in an increasingly technology-driven profession.
Law firms lose massive amounts of revenue through poor billing habits, inconsistent time tracking, and mindset issues lawyers often don’t even realize they have. In this episode, Molly Kremer, “The Billing Coach,” breaks down the biggest billing mistakes attorneys make, the “time burglars” stealing billable hours, and practical ways to improve billing consistency.
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In this episode, Phoebe Morris joins us to discuss the evolution of legal services in the age of the creative economy. Phoebe shares how she’s moved beyond traditional hourly billing to offer creators, startups, and small businesses a more modern, accessible approach to legal services. We dive into what alternative legal services look like for startups and creators, how alternative fee structures can create better outcomes fo...
In this episode, we sat down with RJon Robins, founder of How to Manage a Small Law Firm, to break down what it really takes to build a successful law practice. Spoiler alert! It is NOT giving up your life. We explore how to define success beyond revenue, the difference between working in your business versus on it, and why that shift is critical for long-term growth. This episode is packed with practical insights for attorneys loo...
In this episode, we sit down with a leading voice in AI and legal tech - Colin Levy. We explore what lawyers should really be asking about artificial intelligence, and the mindset shift law firms need to make - from updating outdated workflows to rethinking how legal work is done. We also discuss why so many tech initiatives fail and how the next generation of lawyers is approaching AI.
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In this episode, we dig into how the business of law is changing as outside investment, alternative legal service providers, and management services organizations become a bigger part of the conversation. We unpack the recent headlines around non-lawyer ownership and look ahead at what all of this means for the future of law firm structures.
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In this episode, we sit down with Shaun Jardine, legal pricing expert and founder of LegalGigz, a new platform designed to help lawyers easily discover and keep track of business of law legal conferences, events, and the growing ecosystem of adjacent gatherings that make these trips so valuable. Shaun shares why conferences remain one of the most powerful tools for career growth, business development, and staying ahead of industry ...
In today’s episode, we sit down with David Wakeling, Partner and Global Head of Markets Innovation Group at A&O Shearman, for an inside look at how one of the world’s most forward-thinking law firms is shaping the future of legal practice.
We explore how A&O Shearman evaluates and implements AI, what distinguishes real legal-tech ROI from “innovation theater,” and why many firms struggle to turn exper...
In this episode, we sit down with Kelley Brubaker, a CPA who specializes in working with law firms to uncover the financial blind spots that hold firms back. From hidden profit leaks and overlooked expenses to common accounting mistakes, we dive deep into how firms can rethink their approach to money management.
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In this episode, we dive into one of the fastest-evolving areas of modern litigation: eDiscovery. Kelly Twigger walks us through why every attorney, regardless of practice area, needs to understand how to manage electronically stored information (ESI) and why the days of leaving it “to the tech team” are over.
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In this episode, we sit down with Sean Olson, Founder of Olson Personal Injury Lawyers, to explore the real journey of starting and scaling a law firm from the ground up. Sean shares hard-earned insights on managing people, creating a positive work culture, and leveraging authentic customer service as a competitive differentiator.
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Are you really using LinkedIn to its fullest potential? In this episode, we sit down with Matthew Hunt, founder of Demandii, and dive into strategies for building a strong personal brand, creating content that resonates with your ideal clients, and turning connections into real opportunities. If you’ve ever wondered how to stop “posting and hoping” and start using LinkedIn with intention, this conversation is for ...
Have you ever thought about leaving the legal industry to try something new? In this episode, Casey Berman, founder of Leave Law Behind, walks through how to thoughtfully evaluate whether leaving the legal profession is the right move, how to identify alternative career paths that align with your skills and values, and what it takes to make that transition successfully.
Whether you’re actively considering a career shift or jus...
If you’ve ever wondered how to separate noise from strategy in your legal practice, this episode is for you. Brian Hansen, Founder and CEO of Rocket Pilots, breaks down what really works for law firm growth. From why Google reviews might matter more than your website to spotting the difference between legal tech fads and strategic investments, this episode is packed with insights you won’t want to miss.
In this episode, we sit down with Stacey Dougan, a former lawyer and practicing psychotherapist. From high-pressure billable hour demands to the constant mental load of practicing law, she’s seen firsthand how the profession can take a toll on mental health and overall wellbeing. We dive into practical self-care strategies tailored for lawyers, how to shift destructive habits, and ways to challenge the inner narratives that k...
Is your law firm set up to proactively handle ethics and compliance issues? In this episode, we explore a growing shift in legal ethics and compliance: proactive management-based regulation (PMBR). Instead of waiting for problems to arise or for bar complaints to be filed, some jurisdictions are encouraging law firms to adopt proactive systems that promote ethical behavior, improve client service, and reduce risk.
We discuss what PM...
When it comes to recruiting nearshore talent, there is a right way and a wrong way to do it. In this episode, Raquel Gomes, Founder & CEO of Stafi, walks through how her company approaches vetting and supporting remote staff, from privacy and security audits to university training to emotional support. Raquel also shares where many law firms fall short in their recruiting and training processes and how hiring the right talent c...
In this episode, we dive into the world of virtual hiring for law firms - what works, what doesn’t, and how to build a strong remote team. We break down common myths about remote employees, explore how to attract and retain top talent, and share strategies for hiring the right person rather than just filling a role. Whether you're a managing partner rethinking your staffing model or a small firm looking to scale, this episode...
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