January 7, 2025 • 54 mins
Could the rapid rise of artificial intelligence systems like ChatGPT and Meta AI be the result of reverse-engineered alien technology? As we mark our monumental 100th episode, we dare to question everything we thought we knew about the intersection of non-human intelligence and our very own mental processes?
We explore the possibility that government's secret UFO and UAP programs, are tied to the advancements in AI and the potential origins with extraterrestrial technologies. By drawing parallels to science fiction, we ponder the implications of creating systems that might outsmart humans. Is our dependency on AI leading us towards a future shaped by unseen hands? We speculate that AI will profoundly impact our lives, and that alien influences may be a guiding force.
In our quest, we dive into UFO recoveries and the astonishing claims of non-human pilots. The enigma of the Oumuamua asteroid and its potential as an alien probe adds another layer to our exploration of the mystery. As we unravel the threads of higher consciousness and the evolution of human knowledge, we reflect on the transformative potential—and risks—of AI and what may come from it. Join us as we examine our past, challenge the present, and anticipate the future of non-human intelligence.
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Joe (00:02):
Hello, everybody, and thank you for joining us on Alien
Talk Podcast.
This is the show where wediscuss all things about aliens
and UFOs and, as always, we pushthe limits of our understanding
.
Joe Landry and Laurie Oldfordhere once again to seek out the
truth and find the factspertaining to the highly
discussed issues about thefascinating prospects of
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extraterrestrial life and theexistence of UFOs.
We're back with you at thebeginning of the new year.
2025 is now upon us and weexpect it to be an exciting time
.
I really think it will be so.
Happy New Year to all of you,and we hope that it was a nice
holiday season for everyone outthere.
Laurie (00:43):
Yeah, the year went by very quickly and I'm sure many
others agree with me that 2024really is almost like a blur.
The month of December just flewby.
It seemed like the holidayswere upon us before we knew it,
but certainly it was a festivetime and, as always, it was a
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great time to be around familyand friends.
Hopefully it was the same forall of you.
So, this is a milestone episode, Joe, like you said, and it's
one that seemed very far offwhen we first started the show
Almost inconceivably actuallyand that is this being our 100th
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episode.
Joe (01:27):
That's right, Laurie, we've hit our centennial.
It is hard to believe, I know.
Looking back to when we beganthis podcast three and a half
years ago going on four years,which was back in April of 2021,
we were inspired by a rathersimple goal, and that was to
share our insight and knowledgethat we've obtained from our own
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investigative as well asreligious backgrounds, to let
others get a chance to explorethe same understanding about the
ancient alien theory in the waythat we did, and our approach
has always been to ask thequestions and see where the
evidence takes us, in the hopesof advancing our understanding
of these mysteries, ourcomprehension of them.
So, indeed, 2021 seems like apretty long time ago now,
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doesn't it?
But we have really expanded theformat of the program to cover
a lot of various topics, notjust those about ancient alien
astronauts, but subjects likethe existence of
interdimensional beings, theimmortality of our consciousness
, the mythological connotationsto the beliefs of contacts with
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extraterrestrial life and viceversa.
And we've also dabbled in quitea few famous UFO stories and
some impactful current eventsthat have been big in the latest
news headlines.
Laurie (02:46):
Yeah, and we want to thank all of our listeners, of
course, for sticking with us andwho made it possible for us to
reach 100 episodes that havebeen downloaded in 168 countries
by over 300,000 people,touching every continent in the
world now.
And, man, that is a lot ofresearch that we have done over
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the past four years.
Remember when you and I started, we were airing this once a
week, like every Sunday, so Iguess we just had more free time
back then.
I don't know.
I don't know how we did it.
Even today, I'm like how did weget through that?
Joe (03:25):
Yeah, that's right.
I don't know.
I don't know how we did it.
Even today, I'm like how did weget through that?
Yeah, that's right, I don'teither.
Laurie (03:27):
Yeah, I mean that changed and you know we went to
doing it every other week, twicea month, and and now we're
lucky to get an episode doneonce every month.
So that is a testimony to howboth of our lives have become
busier since 2021.
Is a testimony to how both ofour lives have become busier
since 2021.
(03:48):
Yeah, and I don't know if thatis good or not, but it is you
folks out there who havemotivated us to keep doing what
we do, and I suppose thequestion that some people may
have is you know, how long areyou guys going to keep doing the
podcast?
Well, that's hard to say nowthat 100 episodes are under our
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belt.
Well, we have to wonder justhow long does one keep something
like this going right?
The simple answer may bewhenever we run out from getting
into doing a podcast where thesubjects are covered on all
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things about aliens, UFOs isthat there seems to be a
never-ending plethora of topicsand stories that come to the
surface and are worthy of a goodbit of serious dialogue, and we
may not have yet covered allthings about UFOs and aliens,
but we have gone into a lot ofit.
Joe (04:52):
Well, yeah, I mean, we are now stretching out the time
between the airing of theepisode, so maybe, in that
regard, less is more and that weare able to delve a little more
thoroughly into a concept or anarrative and give people more
opportunity to fully listen toit before the next one comes out
.
And you're right, there isalways something new to touch on
(05:13):
.
So I don't know, I think weplan on doing this until the
internet shuts down or something, and podcasting is no longer
around.
Who knows?
Like you said, Laurie, it is alot of research, but we enjoy
learning about all of it andpresenting it to everyone in
this forum.
Let's just say, for right now,we plan on going through 2025.
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And don't forget that we alsorun some of our shows on YouTube
, so you can anticipate that aswell.
In our repertoire ofdiscussions.
For tonight, we want to getinto the idea of something that
is called non-human intelligence, or NHI.
Now, the first thought thatcomes to mind, of course, is
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aliens, ets, because theintelligence they possess would
certainly not be human.
However, when we get into thesemantics and theory of NHI, we
find that it explains a wholelot more than just
extraterrestrial intelligenceand extraterrestrial life forms.
Certainly we've all heard of AI, which is artificial
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intelligence, which is thecapacity that computer software
systems have so as to executefunctions in a manner that
resembles that of humandecision-making, problem-solving
, cognitive judgment andcommunication using language.
It has actually been around fordecades in various forms.
Just take voice recognition,you know, like speak-to-type and
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music synthesizers, or alsorobotic assembly lines.
Those have been around for awhile now.
Even the Google search enginecan be considered a form of AI.
Then there is also somethingthat you can call
ultra-intelligence or higherintelligence, which would imply
some form of consciousness orawareness throughout the
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universe that is onlyperceivable in a select way, or
even in an esoteric way.
Laurie (07:08):
Yeah, and the term, you know, encompasses several
discrete concepts, includingartificial intelligence,
extraterrestrial intelligence,animal intelligence and anything
considered intelligent, in thatit transcends the human brain,
at least in an abstract, andartificial intelligence pertains
to how computers can be taughtto exhibit and apply human-like
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cognitive and operationalcapabilities, ultimately, you
know, enabling them to performtasks at a higher, surpassing or
at a higher level surpassingthat of even the most
intelligent humans.
And all of us are prone to makemistakes, errors, incorrect
judgments due to being confusedor having flawed sensory inputs,
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and misperceptions.
One cutting-edge aspect of thisfield is something called
artificial superintelligence,asi, which is a more advanced
system that can think a trilliontimes faster than humans, with
less chance of mistakes beingmade.
Not only that, but ASI holdsthe potential for its algorithms
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to design, maintain and governitself, which actually sounds a
little scary.
We are witnessing the emergenceof this technology unfold before
our very eyes, and actually itis an extraordinary, complex and
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highly technical concept, andwe could spend an entire episode
just talking about theartificial intelligence systems
that are out there and how theyare taking the place of human
thinking and cerebral processes,especially in areas like
cybersecurity, for example, andalso in virtual reality, and
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graphic animation, like with theCGI we see in the movies.
It can even handle sensoryinformation like sight and sound
.
It can generate voice and moveobjects around.
So artificial intelligence cantake the place of actual human
essence.
We've all seen it demonstrated,and not just in the way that
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machines have always been ableto take on our work.
AI is machines acting andprocessing data more like we do.
As the old saying goes, when itcomes to computers garbage in,
garbage out.
So clearly human ingenuity,cognition and mental ability are
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vital to the proper operationof artificial intelligence.
You know, otherwise there is noreal intelligence to it.
Joe (09:46):
Right and a lot of the connotations that are implied
from NHI or AI is that it'ssuperior to ordinary human
intelligence.
A posteriori meaning inrelation to empirical evidence,
certainly, to give credit tocomputers is to give credit to
the designers.
We can see that microprocessorscan execute more calculations
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and do it faster than ourthought patterns can do it.
The latest Intel Core andPentium microprocessors that are
found in IBM systems which runthe Microsoft programs I think
it is the Core i9.
It's the latest update.
It can perform 158 billionmathematical calculations per
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second.
Now people can probably at bestdo three, maybe four per second
if we're really sharp and quick.
So, computers do what we do,but much, much faster, by a
factor of billions.
Laurie (10:47):
Yeah, and that's what machines do.
They help us with the tasksthat we're capable of
accomplishing, but with morespeed, volume, accuracy,
repetition.
Electrons move at the speed oflight.
Our mental processes do not,and obviously the human mind is
what has designed the electroniccircuits and algorithms that go
into AI for it to do what itdoes, which perceive its
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environment and apply learningand memory in order to build the
comprehension about it and tocarry out the multiple functions
, such as language, thatinteract with it in much that
same way as a person.
Joe (11:28):
Yeah, and we know that the language that is applied through
computer upgrades and usagethat can be both verbal and
non-verbal, just as it is withpeople when we communicate with
one another it can be verbal andnon-verbal.
So human cognitive processingis, a priori meaning from
logical deduction more superior,yet the capabilities of AI
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exceed it, particularly in speed.
So this leads us to concludethat without human intelligence
there would be no artificialintelligence in computer
software.
This in turn leads us to ask ifAI is the product of the human
mind, then is our epistemologythe product of something else?
That something else, by itsnature, whatever it is, can
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really only be considered anintelligence that is not human?
Laurie (12:19):
Now, one of the colliery explanations of the ancient
astronaut theory is thepossibility of extraterrestrial
invention with the evolution ofour species, homo sapiens.
So with that, a non-humanintelligence may have been the
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cause for human intelligence.
The same can be inferred from aspiritual perspective, in which
a divine intelligence isresponsible for the creation of
the human brain, through which,you know, the mind is manifested
.
So could it be that this andextraterrestrial intelligence
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are one in the same thing?
When we're talking about ourown abilities of the mind, we
can see that non-humanintelligence takes on a larger
and more profound meaning whenunderstood through a spectrum of
what can only be labeled asuniversal consciousness stood
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through a spectrum of what canonly be labeled as universal
consciousness, something thatcan be exhibited through
different entities, dependingupon one's belief system.
Joe (13:31):
Right, like from a transcendental perspective, like
with an Eastern mysticism,intelligence and consciousness
is pervasive throughouteverything in nature and goes
far beyond anybody's ability tofully comprehend all that is,
has and will take place.
And we also get this in Westernthinking from the religious
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doctrine of, say, Saint ThomasAquinas, in which the very
spirit of God, whose greatnessand understanding exceeds
anything that we think we couldpossibly know about the universe
and truly what we do possess insuch a capacity, is derived
from our contemplation of thenon-human intelligence that
comes from a deity, for Godalone is the source of all
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wisdom.
So, yes, NHI does seem to be acosmological model of the
structure of knowledge and howit is conceived and implemented
by humanity so as to serve acosmological model of the
structure of knowledge and howit is conceived and implemented
by humanity so as to serve agreater purpose.
Laurie (14:30):
Well, joe, you and I attended a Luis Elizondo
conference a couple months agoNovember 3rd I think to be exact
and the topic of non-humanintelligence was brought up.
Of course, we already mentionedthat he had nothing to say about
it or UAPs being related toanything mystical, spiritual, or
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supernatural.
However, he did point it out assubject material found in the
Pentagon's DIRDs, or DefenseIntelligence Reference Documents
these are official reportswithin the Defense Intelligence
Agency that detail the researchand investigation going on into
many of the special accessprograms revolving around UFOs
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and UAPs, and these are thedocumentations of things that
include quantum warp bubbles,negative power sources and trans
dimensions.
You know, stuff that most of ushave never heard of, that is,
quite literally, you know, outof this world.
So, within the context of a lotof the other subject matter,
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the issue of NHI falls, thenon-human intelligence falls
within that of alien technologyand something that has been
referred to as non-human craftand non-human pilots slash
non-human officers.
So this seems to suggest thatwhen we hear all the academic
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and military experts referencingnon-human intelligence, they
mean extraterrestrial, notsomething philosophical, but
something very tangible andalive.
Now, granted, a robot, or anandroid or a cyborg could all be
things that have come here frombeyond our planet and they
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would be considered non-living,but they also would not be of
human design or human origin.
So there is a viable connectionbetween the ideals of advanced
machine intelligence and ourgovernment's contact with alien
spacecraft and alien beings.
And there was something to thatprogram or codename for some
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project that is calledImmaculate Constellation, of
which Elizondo didn't want toeven speak a single word.
But in looking at thecongressional memorandum, some
of which we read last time, itseems to at least allude
somewhat to the idea of workbeing coordinated with non-human
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intelligence and non-Earthinitiatives.
Joe (17:04):
Yeah, elizondo hinted.
That is exactly what is takingplace, I remember, with the
testimony given by the formerAir Force intel officer, David
Grush, in July of 2023, whichwas under oath he testified to
the House Oversight Committeethat biologics were part of the
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recovery of UFO wreckages and hesaid that with no ambiguity,
that the bodies or parts ofbodies found were non-human.
And this is according toBernardo Castro.
With Debrief.
O rg, it's dated January 6,2024, oddly enough, almost
exactly one year ago 2024.
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And this leads us, like manyothers, to speculate.
The Immaculate Constellation asyou mentioned that may refer to
a very highly, highly top-secret project that integrates
an overall effort to reverseengineer.
TUO, which is Technologies ofUnknown Origin in concert with
non-human intelligence, has beentaking place for the past 80
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years unbeknownst to the public.
So, with the notion that themilitary-industrial complex has
been working on systems builtaround applications related to
extraterrestrial intelligence,does that mean that our ability
to develop similar systems couldbe explained to us from
learning from ETs?
Could they have taught ourengineers and technical experts
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how AI can be perfected to thepoint that we are now seeing it
being implemented in our world?
Did we benefit from AI by whatmay have been learned through
that kind of reverse engineering.
Laurie (18:46):
Well, that is an interesting thought.
Considering how impactfulcomputers have been on the
overall evolution of humansocieties, particularly in the
past 50 years, and especially soin the past 10 years, it's been
absolutely astounding.
The rise of artificialintelligence and how quickly we
integrate it into our lives hasalways raised some questions.
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Are we moving so fast that werisk letting it spiral out of
control?
Are we at the right stage inour evolution to have AI in our
everyday lives, or do we need toslow things down a bit to
maintain control?
And, most importantly, are webecoming too dependent on it?
So it's amazing how advanced AIhas become in our development
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as a species, and looking at therapid advancement of AI makes
me wonder about the truths.
In James Cameron's Terminator2: Judgment Day movie, you know,
concepts that once seemed sofar-fetched now appear to be on
the brink of reality.
I mean, are we headed toward aJudgment Day scenario like in
that movie, where machines,cyborg, robots, possess most, if
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not all, of the characteristicsthat not only make something
human but superior to humans?
And this really isn't sciencefiction anymore, is it?
Joe (20:07):
Yeah, so you know, the human brain is incredibly
sophisticated and advanced, andfrom it you know, we have
created AI which, as we've said,is able to do what we do just
more persistently, without thepsychological and physiological
drawbacks that we, as life formsand organism, we must succumb
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to.
We need food, water, sleep,comfort, contentment, emotional
satisfaction.
We get sick, we age, and we arenot always accurate, reliable
and enduring, at least notwithout a lot of effort.
A computer is not affected bysuch parameters.
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It can do the same tasksconsistently with the same
degree of accuracy, precisionand speed, and does not need to
eat, drink, sleep or seekcompanionship to sustain itself.
But what we're seeing in theadvancement of AI is the
tendency for computers to becomeso much like humans in how they
operate that they're becomingprogrammed to exhibit things
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like consciousness, emotionalsensitivity and situational
awareness.
Take Siri, that system developedby Apple, or Alexa, made by
Amazon Lab 126.
These are called digitalassistants, which use computer
software to interface withpeople using sounds and voices.
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There's also Cortana byMicrosoft.
These are AI applications thathave been around for more than a
few years now.
Watson is another one and,according to one of Amazon's
press releases dated April 25th2019,.
These apps have increased from1,000 function skills to over
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90,000 function skills justbetween the years 2015 and 2019.
And we're all familiar withthem as we've seen them on TV
commercials, advertised all overthe place, and they can answer
just about any question you comeup with.
We've seen those Siri and Alexacommercials.
They can also turn things onand off just based off of what
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it knows of your learningpatterns.
It can learn your patterns ofyour daily life and execute
functions like turning on offlights or on and off appliances.
It knows when you go to bed.
It knows when you come homefrom work.
It is watching and interactingwith you much like how another
person would.
Laurie (22:40):
That's funny.
You should say that because wehave Alexa in our house and I
noticed yesterday that thescreen was just black.
So I was like, is it on?
And then I just decided to askalexa, are you asleep?
And then it responded no, I'mwide awake, you know.
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Yeah, so, uh, strange, but I'msure the inventors of that thing
, the creation of it, thought ofeverything, or was it somewhat
self-aware to know that this wassomething that was going to be
a natural response for a human.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, it's a little scary, butyeah, and there are programs
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that can quite literally do yourhomework assignments too, like
they can give completeexplanations to complex
questions and a whole bunch ofwhat you would call cerebral
tasks.
ChatGPT is able to haveconversations with people and
write out speeches and paper,and I think Meta AI has an app
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that can recreate paintings andphotographs to make something in
it appear completely brand newas well as better looking.
So we have to wonder if AI isever going to get to a point
where it completely andperfectly emulates human thought
and behavior and maybe is evenable to surpass us in that way.
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We essentially gave a brain,gave it a brain, so to speak, to
a machine.
Think about that.
So we have made significantprogress in our evolution
quickly and deserve praise forour achievements.
But this concept is reminiscentof the stories of the gods as
understood through the ancientastronaut theory, in which it is
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proposed that a race ofextraterrestrial beings had
created humans far in thedistant past to perform their
task as slave species.
If so, are we now becomingsmarter than those said gods?
We have developed computersthat can think faster than we do
and store all the world'sinformation in, and we have
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created systems that retaininformation far more effectively
than our minds can.
At any moment, a computer mightinterpret certain actions as
attacks and respond defensively.
I mean, who's to say that anadvanced computer system won't
view humans as enemies somedayand this scenario feels more
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plausible now than it ever didand AI could be the catalyst
that triggers the next world war, potentially leading to a
nuclear conflict.
Joe (25:28):
Yeah, and that all illustrates how artificial
intelligence from computers mayfit into the bigger picture of
what is called non-humanintelligence.
Our conceptualization of thisNHI shows that it definitely
transcends the schemata of ourown minds and thus illuminating
how human intellect is just onepart of something else,
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something bigger.
If you recall, how you know, awhile back we discussed the
notion of consciousness, andthat you know, in the story of
Ramanujan, the Indianmathematician who credited his
own genius to divinity,specifically the goddess
Mahalakshmi, and he claimed thatshe appeared to him in a dream
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and that drops of blood fellfrom her hands to the ground and
from those appeared scrollscontaining intricate calculus
equations that he was able todecipher.
So this is an example of howhigher intelligence, from some
other plane or dimension is atwork and is imparting knowledge
to the human mind.
Laurie (26:32):
Well, and then there is also the question of non-human
intelligence being found inanimals or even plants.
I mean, while an argument canbe made that many different
animal species exhibit theability to perceive and respond
to their environments from theprocesses of learning and
decision-making, and evenutilize some communication, it
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is quite evidence that it is notas sophisticated as ours.
That has been quite easilydemonstrated for as long as
we've been around.
So I think if there are levelsto intelligence with something
extraterrestrial out there beingon the higher end, then animals
would be on the lower end of it, and the same would be with
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plant life.
Whenever we mean.
So whatever we mean we say, youknow they communicate or
exhibit some kind of awareness.
It is not the same way as wemean when we're referring to us.
Joe (27:30):
Yeah, I've heard that hypothesis about plant species
being able to communicate witheach other through
electrochemical signals thatemanate in their leaves and
roots and roots, and thatsingle-celled protozoans can
also exhibit behaviors that showsemblance to communication or
consciousness, and how theyrespond to different stimuli.
And you're right.
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It's not language in the waywe're conceptualizing it, in the
way that we're talking about it, and it's more the processes of
chemical reaction, followingthe laws of physics and the laws
of nature.
Within the cells of theseorganisms there are molecules
that combine or break apart toresult in molecules of different
composition and structure,along with a release or an
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absorption of energy.
If there really is a universalintelligence that manifests
itself in many ways, then itwill be that there is a spectrum
or a range in which some thingshave more of it than others,
kind of like the force.
It is present everywhere and ineverything, but some entities
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are able to tap into it andmanipulate it to great extent,
as we can with language,imagination and creativity and
problem-solving and ethicsimagination and creativity and
problem solving, and ethics.
With others very little, ormaybe not at all.
It's difficult to describe orillustrate these notions as they
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are very abstract, consideringwe don't have a concise
definition of something likeintelligence or consciousness,
or even life itself, for thatmatter.
We are only able to recognizeit and identify it based off of
certain traits and processesthat are exhibited.
We know when it is present andwhen it is not, and that's based
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on our own understanding of it,and a lot of that revolves
around the idea of metaphysicsand of individual faith.
What life and consciousness andsentience and intelligence
truly are, by any measure of ascientific definition of
existence, it's still very mucha mystery.
Laurie (29:39):
Right.
And of course, the chemicalactivity, following the laws of
chemistry and physics, as yousaid, also takes place within
all of the cells in our bodies,with nerves, blood, brain and
heart all undergoing them, justlike in the plant cells.
Obviously, there is a bigdifference in the complexity
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between us and plants andmicroscopic organisms.
You know we compared ourcomputer system that has the
proper right hardware installedis to be able to go online and
access information that is fromsomewhere else out on the
worldwide web.
So what if our brains, likecomputers, are able to upload
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and download software, so tospeak, along an energy field
that permeates throughout thecosmos?
Could this be the be analogousto internet cloud in the way
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that our minds define physicalexistence?
Joe (31:01):
in his theoretical work in analytic psychology, with
something he called thecollective unconscious, in which
there possibly exists a type ofinterconnectivity which binds
our own psyche and intellect tosomething beyond our own minds,
and he hinted that this is onthe level where the mind of God
is at work.
He also expounded on this ideathrough something called
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synchronicity, in whichmeaningful experiences which may
seem to lack concrete causationand we've all experienced these
situations, I think, and wewere just, you know, say we were
thinking about someone wehaven't seen or heard from in
years, and then, maybe in just amatter of minutes, we come
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across them, bump into them atthe mall, or we get a phone call
or a letter from them.
So, in a similar manner, wehave to ask are we now able to
connect our higher cognitivepowers to the computers that we
have created from out of our ownminds?
Laurie (32:03):
Well, you know, what do you think about this, Joe, like
I've always wondered.
You know that the saying is,when you die, people say that
their lives flash before theireyes, like they start seeing
their life from when they'reyoung to you know, to the time
they die, or whatever you know.
Could that be some type ofdownload, like your mind is now
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downloading all of these imagesand everything that it's
gathered over all these years,you know, to take with you on
your next journey, into the nextlife or wherever that may be?
I mean, what do you?
What do you think of that?
Joe (32:37):
Yeah, that is an interesting analogy.
I mean, we've all heard that ofyou know the expression of you
know life flashing before youreyes and you know there's
different ways to explain.
Of you know the expression ofyou know life flashing before
your eyes and you know there'sdifferent ways to explain that
you know it just could be thetrauma of whatever you're going
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through just makes you kind ofgo to a different point in your
consciousness.
I don't know, I never had ithappen to me, so I can't really
get a firsthand account of it,but that does seem to be the
theme.
It does fit well with thatnotion of a higher consciousness
, of something beyond our ownhuman mind to which we tap, and
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that has been a theme throughoutcultures since the beginning of
time that there is a higherpower, a higher plane to which
we all connect to at some point,even though our, you know, our
physical minds, or physicalbrains rather, are limited in
how they can process informationthat would pertain to our
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conscious thinking.
We're aware of, you know, know,what is happening in our
environment, and it's almostlike information and sensory
overload.
Our, our brain, for the mostpart, can only handle, at any
given time, that to which weperceive from our senses.
To be able to access orperceive that which is beyond
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our senses, uh, means that wehave to go into a different
state of consciousness whichtakes a certain measure of, I
guess, meditation, contemplation, relaxation.
There are all kinds of differenttechniques that, um, you know,
I've been taught of how you can,you know, you know, kind of
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attain that level of awareness,uh, you know, through yoga,
transcendental mental meditationand various things.
Like I said, I, I have neverexperienced anything like that
myself and and there's alsoother ways to look at that
people could say well, justsimply saying your life flashes
before your eyes is just youknow you reflecting on your life
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flashes before your eyes, isjust you reflecting on your life
at that very second that youthink you're going to die or
perhaps you are at the brink ofdeath.
But yeah, it is an interestingnotion that maybe this is a
software download.
It would seem to almost makesense with what we're talking
about here.
Laurie (35:02):
Yeah, no very good points here.
Yeah, yeah, no very good points.
And to expand upon what youwere saying earlier too, is you
know?
I think we also need to ask ifthis is just part of humanity
evolving, by which it is, youknow, it's learning from
something higher and then, youknow, passes that knowledge
along.
Like, Mustafa Suleyman haswritten a compelling book titled
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the Coming Wave AI Power andthe 21st Century's Greatest
Dilemma.
In it, he discusses how we areon the brink of a critical
threshold where everything willchange for human civilization.
Suleyman emphasizes that wewill soon be surrounded by
artificial intelligence, whichwill influence our lives and
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manage our governments andbusinesses.
This includes the innovationsuch as DNA printers, weapons
and robot assistants, and hewarns that we are not
sufficiently prepared for thistransformation prepared for this
transformation.
Joe (36:05):
Well, he may be right.
Suleyman contends that theupcoming decades will be
characterized by a surge inpower and new technologies based
on a model, with AI beingdriven by significant political
and commercial incentives, whichwill generate wealth and tackle
global, global crises.
However, we should also preparefor upheavals of unimaginable
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scale.
Currently, our governments arein a precarious position,
potentially heading towardsdisaster, due to unprecedented
challenges arising fromunchecked opennesses on one side
of the and the threat of excess, excessive surveillance on the
other.
And in his it's called theglossary of key terms, he
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introduces what he refers to asa coming wave, which encompasses
an emerging cluster of relatedtechnologies which are focused
on AI and something that hecalls synthetic biology, which I
think is exactly what it soundslike.
And these technologies possesstransformative potential to
empower humanity, while alsoposing significant risks.
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And he elaborates on the notionof containment, which is the
capability to monitor, limit,control and, if necessary, shut
down these systems.
So he gives a ratherapocalyptic view, in a lot of
ways, about AI.
He also addresses thecontainment problem, saying that
these so-called waves may proveunpredictable and virtually
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uncontrollable, which could leadto unforeseen, disastrous
security consequences unforeseendisastrous security
consequences.
Laurie (37:47):
He also stated, on page 61 of the book, that a
large-scale rollout of AItechnology is already in
progress.
Software has revolutionizednumerous sectors, facilitating
the collection and analysis ofvast data, and this data is now
being utilized to train AIsystems to develop more
efficient and accurate products.
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Across nearly all areas of ourlives, artificial intelligence
is becoming increasinglyaccessible, with programs
designed to equipnon-specialists with advanced
machine learning capabilities.
In a few short years,artificial intelligence will be
capable of communicating,reasoning and interacting within
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the same world we inhabit, withsensory systems on par with our
own.
Furthermore, ai is alreadyembedded into products, services
and devices we rely on daily,and it is used to identify
cracks in water pipes, managetraffic flow, model fusion
reactions for cleaner energyproduction, optimize shipping
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routes, enhance system securityand assist in designing more
sustainable building materials.
It even plays a crucial role indriving cars and trucks, as
we're witnessing.
Joe (39:08):
Yeah, the applications for it seem endless, and we still
have to wonder just how suchintuition and knowledge can come
to us only from if it does comefrom a cosmic field, in other
words, this intelligence that wehave and we pass on to AI, if
it isn't something universal,meaning it's just simply
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something higher than us, andthen we are able to exhibit it
and then we're able to create itin the forms of computers and
the software they execute.
We also get help from otherforms of life that may have
learned to do it Some of thisalready what we're talking about
.
Maybe they've had many morecenturies, maybe thousands of
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years more uh experience withworking with an artificial
intelligence.
Now, when we consider how DavidGrush uh has commented uh, he
said in an article where, uh,it's called the intelligence the
debrief is the name of thearticle.
The debrief intelligenceofficials say that the us has
retrieved craft of non-humanorigin, and this is an article
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by Leslie Kean and RalphBlumenthal.
It's dated June 5th, 2023.
Grush, says he that therecoveries of both partial
fragments and intact vehicleshave been conducted for decades,
and they continue to thepresent day, by our government
and its allies and defensecontractors.
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Analysis has determined thatthese objects retrieved are of
what he calls exotic origin,which would be non-human
intelligence, whether it'sextraterrestrial or of some
unknown origin altogether, andbased on the vehicle
morphologies, the materialscience testing and radiological
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signatures is how they come tothis conclusion.
Laurie (40:59):
But the material includes intact and partially
intact vehicles, and he alsostated that the U.
S.
has retrieved non-humanbiological matter from the
pilots of these crafts.
And this information comes fromindividuals who are currently
involved and have directknowledge of the program.
(41:19):
And you know, the hearing atCongress was a significant
moment for disclosure, withmilitary officials and leaders
from various aerospace companiesthat were present.
So one must wonder you knowwhat's really going on, and are
they preparing us for somethingsignificant to emerge on the
coming horizon?
Joe (41:39):
Yeah, I know.
I mean Grush has said that theU.
S.
military has retrievednon-human biological matter from
the pilots of these aircraft Imean not aircraft but spacecraft
indicating that they are notrobots, that they are life forms
and therefore they are not AI.
They are extraterrestrialspecies, and some forms of
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organisms operate in fullyintact and partially intact
vehicles.
And he seems to be saying thatthe incidents, namely the
Roswell one, the most well-knownone, and with alien bodies,
whether they're alive or dead,they're being recovered and
taken to places like Area 51 andWright-Patterson Air Force Base
(42:25):
.
Laurie (42:26):
Exactly so.
We did some digging and cameacross a government dossier
released by the NSA the NationalSecurity Agency on October 21,
2004, under the Freedom ofInformation Act, specifically
case number 41472.
And it is titled Communicationwith Extraterrestrial
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Intelligence and it's authoredby Lambros de Calamaos.
It begins with proclaiming thatwe are certainly not alone in
the universe, and that remindedme of the scene in the 1996
movie Independence Day, wherethe president announces to the
world the question of whether weare alone in the universe has
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been answered.
And, of course, per the moviestory, it was answered because
of all the giant spaceshipsarriving and hovering over our
major cities.
Joe (43:19):
Yeah, it would be quite obvious then.
That would be the undeniableproof that we have all been
looking for.
But in this article you'retalking about, Calamehos
explains that well.
A few years ago this ideaseemed far-fetched.
That today and that was in 2004, the existence of intelligent
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and sentient alien life forms istaken for granted by most
scientists Remember this is adocument that is on file with
the NSA and it was declassifiedafter 30 years.
He also alludes to Sir BernardLovell, one of the world's
leading radio astronomers, whoin the 60s calculated that, even
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if you allow for a margin oferror of 5,000% which means 50
times more likely to beincorrect in the mathematical
extrapolations that there isstill estimated in our own
galaxy to be about 100 millionstars that have planets with the
right chemistry, temperatureand size to support organic
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evolution, temperature and sizeto support organic evolution.
And if we consider that our owngalaxy, the Milky Way galaxy,
is but one of at least a billionother galaxies and that's
putting it rather conservativelywhich are similar to ours in
the observable universe, thenthe number of stars that could
support some form of life isjust simply too staggering to
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think about.
Laurie (44:46):
But then Kellen House wrote that Dr Frank Drake, who
worked for the National RadioAstronomy Observatory at Green
Bank, west Virginia, saidputting all our knowledge
together, the number ofcivilizations which could have
arisen from now is about onebillion.
So the question is where iseverybody?
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And the nearest neighbor to oursolar system is Alpha Centauri,
only 4.3 light years away, butstill its planetary system is
probably too young for theemergence of life.
However, there are two otherplanetary systems called Epsilon
, eridani and Tau Citi,approximately 11 light years
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away and are stronger contendersfor harboring life.
If superior civilizations areabundant, the nearest would
probably be at least 100 lightyears away.
Therefore, a reply would take200 years.
This should make littledifference to us in view of the
enormous potential gained fromour contact with a superior
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civilization.
So we must assume that theother civilizations are far more
advanced than we are.
A 50-year gap would betremendous not 50 years behind
us but ahead of us and a500-year gap will boggle our
imagination.
But you can imagine what a5,000-year gap would be like.
Joe (46:14):
Well, kalamajos also claimed that these other
civilizations may have probes inspace retransmitting back to
them anything that soundsorganized meaning not random or
intelligent an intelligentsignal, and be picked up by the
probe.
Now, after reading this, Ithought about the Omuamua
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asteroid that visited our solarsystem back in October of 2017.
It flew by Earth at the righttime, just as Earth was
approaching it, and it wasredirected.
It made its turn as trajectoryin its orbit and went back into
the interstellar space, and wediscussed that a few years ago.
(46:56):
As we mentioned, the oddbehavior of a Moa Moa was in how
it was observed to beaccelerating away from the solar
system as if it was propelled,and this has led some to
speculate that it might havebeen a type of alien space probe
.
Laurie (47:12):
I have been thinking more about this too, since our
episode about Oumuamua, andthere may be an even bitter
explanation as to how that thingcame into our solar system and
did that thing came into oursolar system and did that?
So?
Could it be because you knowplanets with a civilization or
star systems?
They are so far away, like wewere just saying, light years
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away, alpha, centauri and suchand that, with the behavior of
this so-called asteroid seemingto be so mathematically precise
in its approach to Earth to slowdown and then speed off?
Maybe it came from a mothershipthat is still out there, hidden
behind some planet not too faraway where we can't see it.
(47:56):
So it's like in Star Wars, aNew Hope, right when they
encounter that lone TIE fighterand I can't remember which
character said it, I think AnSolo, maybe, but he said
something like it's too far outto be on its own, or something
like that.
And that's when they come uponthe Death Star, and Obi-Wan
Kenobi quotes the famous linethat's no moon, it's a space
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station.
So could Oumuamua have been ascout ship or a probe sent out
from a non-visible starshiphiding beyond a planet you know,
waiting outside our solarsystem?
Joe (48:30):
So, interestingly enough, the meaning of the Hawaiian word
Omuamua is messenger from afarto lead to the idea that
something sentient is out thereobserving us, perhaps trying not
to interfere with our evolution, at least not too much.
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Think of how it is shown inStar Trek, where the Enterprise
starship crew is watching aplanet and they may send down
away teams to mingle amongst theinhabitants to get further
information, or send shuttles tofly through the skies.
So whether or not a Moa Moa issuch a thing as that, or if an
advanced civilization did sendmessages or messengers, they may
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very well have called usseveral thousand years ago and
probably more than once, maybethroughout our history.
We have received it and havenot been able to comprehend it.
Laurie (49:33):
Well, they may be waiting for an answer or, worse
yet, they've given up.
Perhaps they have made suchimpressive technological
advances in the same manner wehave that they have destroyed
themselves in some terribleholocaust, a world war iii, on
their planet.
So it could be that the threatswe are facing here, like
nuclear annihilation, are thesame ones that other species
throughout the universe arefacing yeah, we have to wonder,
(49:55):
you know, where does non-humanintelligence, in any of its
forms, actually take us?
Joe (50:00):
some believe it will lead the human race into a utopia of
a peaceful and prosperous worldin which there is harmony
everywhere for all time.
Others look to it as being morelike something that will bring
about Armageddon, where we willend up back in the Dark Ages,
and an honest opinion of it willsee that there is the potential
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for both.
Like many things, there is aduality, with good possibilities
and bad possibilities.
Laurie (50:28):
I'll even say that potential for good and bad is
silical.
Something may start off as agreat achievement and turn into
a horrific demise.
One of the ideas that we findfrom examining the history of
the world is that civilizationsrise and fall.
From what Zacharia Sitchintells us in his work in The
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Earth Chronicles, humanity'slong-forgotten stone age of the
past was preceded by a great andmarvelous technological age
when the gods had dwelt.
Here he could be talking aboutthe Anunnaki or the gods of
Atlantis, but could thistechnological era we are living
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in now be one that likewiseprecedes our next Stone Age?
Joe (51:17):
There's definitely something to ponder and
definitely something for you,the audience, to decide.
So this will conclude ourepisode today.
We hope you enjoyed it as muchas we did.
Please feel free to share yourcomments with us on our Facebook
page or on our website atwwwaliantpodcastcom, and we
would love to hear your thoughtsand questions on this.
Laurie (51:40):
Yeah, we want to thank you all for tuning in.
Today, Our next show.
We will discuss the future ofhumanity and our venture to Mars
it's in the news a lot latelyand we will discuss how NASA's
mission to send astronauts tothe red planet is moving forward
at a very rapid pace and we areexcited because this is all
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happening in our lifetime.
A lot of people are talkingabout it.
Joe (52:07):
Yeah, they certainly are.
So, yeah, we'll discuss how allthis is going to be achieved,
not only through governmentfunding but through the
commercial aerospace sector, andthe question of whether we have
already been there and whetherthis is humanity's actual return
to Mars Should be a veryinteresting topic to get into.
So until we join you next time,folks have a great month Again,
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have a happy new year, Be safeand, as always, stay curious.
Hello, everybody, and thank you for joining us on Alien
Talk Podcast.
This is the show where wediscuss all things about aliens
and UFOs and, as always, we pushthe limits of our understanding
.
Joe Landry and Laurie Oldfordhere once again to seek out the
truth and find the factspertaining to the highly
discussed issues about thefascinating prospects of
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extraterrestrial life and theexistence of UFOs.
We're back with you at thebeginning of the new year.
2025 is now upon us and weexpect it to be an exciting time
.
I really think it will be so.
Happy New Year to all of you,and we hope that it was a nice
holiday season for everyone outthere.
Laurie (00:43):
Yeah, the year went by very quickly and I'm sure many
others agree with me that 2024really is almost like a blur.
The month of December just flewby.
It seemed like the holidayswere upon us before we knew it,
but certainly it was a festivetime and, as always, it was a
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great time to be around familyand friends.
Hopefully it was the same forall of you.
So, this is a milestone episode, Joe, like you said, and it's
one that seemed very far offwhen we first started the show
Almost inconceivably actuallyand that is this being our 100th
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episode.
Joe (01:27):
That's right, Laurie, we've hit our centennial.
It is hard to believe, I know.
Looking back to when we beganthis podcast three and a half
years ago going on four years,which was back in April of 2021,
we were inspired by a rathersimple goal, and that was to
share our insight and knowledgethat we've obtained from our own
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investigative as well asreligious backgrounds, to let
others get a chance to explorethe same understanding about the
ancient alien theory in the waythat we did, and our approach
has always been to ask thequestions and see where the
evidence takes us, in the hopesof advancing our understanding
of these mysteries, ourcomprehension of them.
So, indeed, 2021 seems like apretty long time ago now,
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doesn't it?
But we have really expanded theformat of the program to cover
a lot of various topics, notjust those about ancient alien
astronauts, but subjects likethe existence of
interdimensional beings, theimmortality of our consciousness
, the mythological connotationsto the beliefs of contacts with
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extraterrestrial life and viceversa.
And we've also dabbled in quitea few famous UFO stories and
some impactful current eventsthat have been big in the latest
news headlines.
Laurie (02:46):
Yeah, and we want to thank all of our listeners, of
course, for sticking with us andwho made it possible for us to
reach 100 episodes that havebeen downloaded in 168 countries
by over 300,000 people,touching every continent in the
world now.
And, man, that is a lot ofresearch that we have done over
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the past four years.
Remember when you and I started, we were airing this once a
week, like every Sunday, so Iguess we just had more free time
back then.
I don't know.
I don't know how we did it.
Even today, I'm like how did weget through that?
Joe (03:25):
Yeah, that's right.
I don't know.
I don't know how we did it.
Even today, I'm like how did weget through that?
Yeah, that's right, I don'teither.
Laurie (03:27):
Yeah, I mean that changed and you know we went to
doing it every other week, twicea month, and and now we're
lucky to get an episode doneonce every month.
So that is a testimony to howboth of our lives have become
busier since 2021.
Is a testimony to how both ofour lives have become busier
since 2021.
(03:48):
Yeah, and I don't know if thatis good or not, but it is you
folks out there who havemotivated us to keep doing what
we do, and I suppose thequestion that some people may
have is you know, how long areyou guys going to keep doing the
podcast?
Well, that's hard to say nowthat 100 episodes are under our
(04:09):
belt.
Well, we have to wonder justhow long does one keep something
like this going right?
The simple answer may bewhenever we run out from getting
into doing a podcast where thesubjects are covered on all
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things about aliens, UFOs isthat there seems to be a
never-ending plethora of topicsand stories that come to the
surface and are worthy of a goodbit of serious dialogue, and we
may not have yet covered allthings about UFOs and aliens,
but we have gone into a lot ofit.
Joe (04:52):
Well, yeah, I mean, we are now stretching out the time
between the airing of theepisode, so maybe, in that
regard, less is more and that weare able to delve a little more
thoroughly into a concept or anarrative and give people more
opportunity to fully listen toit before the next one comes out
.
And you're right, there isalways something new to touch on
(05:13):
.
So I don't know, I think weplan on doing this until the
internet shuts down or something, and podcasting is no longer
around.
Who knows?
Like you said, Laurie, it is alot of research, but we enjoy
learning about all of it andpresenting it to everyone in
this forum.
Let's just say, for right now,we plan on going through 2025.
(05:34):
And don't forget that we alsorun some of our shows on YouTube
, so you can anticipate that aswell.
In our repertoire ofdiscussions.
For tonight, we want to getinto the idea of something that
is called non-human intelligence, or NHI.
Now, the first thought thatcomes to mind, of course, is
(05:54):
aliens, ets, because theintelligence they possess would
certainly not be human.
However, when we get into thesemantics and theory of NHI, we
find that it explains a wholelot more than just
extraterrestrial intelligenceand extraterrestrial life forms.
Certainly we've all heard of AI, which is artificial
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intelligence, which is thecapacity that computer software
systems have so as to executefunctions in a manner that
resembles that of humandecision-making, problem-solving
, cognitive judgment andcommunication using language.
It has actually been around fordecades in various forms.
Just take voice recognition,you know, like speak-to-type and
(06:37):
music synthesizers, or alsorobotic assembly lines.
Those have been around for awhile now.
Even the Google search enginecan be considered a form of AI.
Then there is also somethingthat you can call
ultra-intelligence or higherintelligence, which would imply
some form of consciousness orawareness throughout the
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universe that is onlyperceivable in a select way, or
even in an esoteric way.
Laurie (07:08):
Yeah, and the term, you know, encompasses several
discrete concepts, includingartificial intelligence,
extraterrestrial intelligence,animal intelligence and anything
considered intelligent, in thatit transcends the human brain,
at least in an abstract, andartificial intelligence pertains
to how computers can be taughtto exhibit and apply human-like
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cognitive and operationalcapabilities, ultimately, you
know, enabling them to performtasks at a higher, surpassing or
at a higher level surpassingthat of even the most
intelligent humans.
And all of us are prone to makemistakes, errors, incorrect
judgments due to being confusedor having flawed sensory inputs,
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and misperceptions.
One cutting-edge aspect of thisfield is something called
artificial superintelligence,asi, which is a more advanced
system that can think a trilliontimes faster than humans, with
less chance of mistakes beingmade.
Not only that, but ASI holdsthe potential for its algorithms
(08:15):
to design, maintain and governitself, which actually sounds a
little scary.
We are witnessing the emergenceof this technology unfold before
our very eyes, and actually itis an extraordinary, complex and
(08:35):
highly technical concept, andwe could spend an entire episode
just talking about theartificial intelligence systems
that are out there and how theyare taking the place of human
thinking and cerebral processes,especially in areas like
cybersecurity, for example, andalso in virtual reality, and
(08:56):
graphic animation, like with theCGI we see in the movies.
It can even handle sensoryinformation like sight and sound
.
It can generate voice and moveobjects around.
So artificial intelligence cantake the place of actual human
essence.
We've all seen it demonstrated,and not just in the way that
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machines have always been ableto take on our work.
AI is machines acting andprocessing data more like we do.
As the old saying goes, when itcomes to computers garbage in,
garbage out.
So clearly human ingenuity,cognition and mental ability are
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vital to the proper operationof artificial intelligence.
You know, otherwise there is noreal intelligence to it.
Joe (09:46):
Right and a lot of the connotations that are implied
from NHI or AI is that it'ssuperior to ordinary human
intelligence.
A posteriori meaning inrelation to empirical evidence,
certainly, to give credit tocomputers is to give credit to
the designers.
We can see that microprocessorscan execute more calculations
(10:07):
and do it faster than ourthought patterns can do it.
The latest Intel Core andPentium microprocessors that are
found in IBM systems which runthe Microsoft programs I think
it is the Core i9.
It's the latest update.
It can perform 158 billionmathematical calculations per
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second.
Now people can probably at bestdo three, maybe four per second
if we're really sharp and quick.
So, computers do what we do,but much, much faster, by a
factor of billions.
Laurie (10:47):
Yeah, and that's what machines do.
They help us with the tasksthat we're capable of
accomplishing, but with morespeed, volume, accuracy,
repetition.
Electrons move at the speed oflight.
Our mental processes do not,and obviously the human mind is
what has designed the electroniccircuits and algorithms that go
into AI for it to do what itdoes, which perceive its
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environment and apply learningand memory in order to build the
comprehension about it and tocarry out the multiple functions
, such as language, thatinteract with it in much that
same way as a person.
Joe (11:28):
Yeah, and we know that the language that is applied through
computer upgrades and usagethat can be both verbal and
non-verbal, just as it is withpeople when we communicate with
one another it can be verbal andnon-verbal.
So human cognitive processingis, a priori meaning from
logical deduction more superior,yet the capabilities of AI
(11:52):
exceed it, particularly in speed.
So this leads us to concludethat without human intelligence
there would be no artificialintelligence in computer
software.
This in turn leads us to ask ifAI is the product of the human
mind, then is our epistemologythe product of something else?
That something else, by itsnature, whatever it is, can
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really only be considered anintelligence that is not human?
Laurie (12:19):
Now, one of the colliery explanations of the ancient
astronaut theory is thepossibility of extraterrestrial
invention with the evolution ofour species, homo sapiens.
So with that, a non-humanintelligence may have been the
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cause for human intelligence.
The same can be inferred from aspiritual perspective, in which
a divine intelligence isresponsible for the creation of
the human brain, through which,you know, the mind is manifested
.
So could it be that this andextraterrestrial intelligence
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are one in the same thing?
When we're talking about ourown abilities of the mind, we
can see that non-humanintelligence takes on a larger
and more profound meaning whenunderstood through a spectrum of
what can only be labeled asuniversal consciousness stood
(13:24):
through a spectrum of what canonly be labeled as universal
consciousness, something thatcan be exhibited through
different entities, dependingupon one's belief system.
Joe (13:31):
Right, like from a transcendental perspective, like
with an Eastern mysticism,intelligence and consciousness
is pervasive throughouteverything in nature and goes
far beyond anybody's ability tofully comprehend all that is,
has and will take place.
And we also get this in Westernthinking from the religious
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doctrine of, say, Saint ThomasAquinas, in which the very
spirit of God, whose greatnessand understanding exceeds
anything that we think we couldpossibly know about the universe
and truly what we do possess insuch a capacity, is derived
from our contemplation of thenon-human intelligence that
comes from a deity, for Godalone is the source of all
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wisdom.
So, yes, NHI does seem to be acosmological model of the
structure of knowledge and howit is conceived and implemented
by humanity so as to serve acosmological model of the
structure of knowledge and howit is conceived and implemented
by humanity so as to serve agreater purpose.
Laurie (14:30):
Well, joe, you and I attended a Luis Elizondo
conference a couple months agoNovember 3rd I think to be exact
and the topic of non-humanintelligence was brought up.
Of course, we already mentionedthat he had nothing to say about
it or UAPs being related toanything mystical, spiritual, or
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supernatural.
However, he did point it out assubject material found in the
Pentagon's DIRDs, or DefenseIntelligence Reference Documents
these are official reportswithin the Defense Intelligence
Agency that detail the researchand investigation going on into
many of the special accessprograms revolving around UFOs
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and UAPs, and these are thedocumentations of things that
include quantum warp bubbles,negative power sources and trans
dimensions.
You know, stuff that most of ushave never heard of, that is,
quite literally, you know, outof this world.
So, within the context of a lotof the other subject matter,
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the issue of NHI falls, thenon-human intelligence falls
within that of alien technologyand something that has been
referred to as non-human craftand non-human pilots slash
non-human officers.
So this seems to suggest thatwhen we hear all the academic
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and military experts referencingnon-human intelligence, they
mean extraterrestrial, notsomething philosophical, but
something very tangible andalive.
Now, granted, a robot, or anandroid or a cyborg could all be
things that have come here frombeyond our planet and they
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would be considered non-living,but they also would not be of
human design or human origin.
So there is a viable connectionbetween the ideals of advanced
machine intelligence and ourgovernment's contact with alien
spacecraft and alien beings.
And there was something to thatprogram or codename for some
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project that is calledImmaculate Constellation, of
which Elizondo didn't want toeven speak a single word.
But in looking at thecongressional memorandum, some
of which we read last time, itseems to at least allude
somewhat to the idea of workbeing coordinated with non-human
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intelligence and non-Earthinitiatives.
Joe (17:04):
Yeah, elizondo hinted.
That is exactly what is takingplace, I remember, with the
testimony given by the formerAir Force intel officer, David
Grush, in July of 2023, whichwas under oath he testified to
the House Oversight Committeethat biologics were part of the
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recovery of UFO wreckages and hesaid that with no ambiguity,
that the bodies or parts ofbodies found were non-human.
And this is according toBernardo Castro.
With Debrief.
O rg, it's dated January 6,2024, oddly enough, almost
exactly one year ago 2024.
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And this leads us, like manyothers, to speculate.
The Immaculate Constellation asyou mentioned that may refer to
a very highly, highly top-secret project that integrates
an overall effort to reverseengineer.
TUO, which is Technologies ofUnknown Origin in concert with
non-human intelligence, has beentaking place for the past 80
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years unbeknownst to the public.
So, with the notion that themilitary-industrial complex has
been working on systems builtaround applications related to
extraterrestrial intelligence,does that mean that our ability
to develop similar systems couldbe explained to us from
learning from ETs?
Could they have taught ourengineers and technical experts
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how AI can be perfected to thepoint that we are now seeing it
being implemented in our world?
Did we benefit from AI by whatmay have been learned through
that kind of reverse engineering.
Laurie (18:46):
Well, that is an interesting thought.
Considering how impactfulcomputers have been on the
overall evolution of humansocieties, particularly in the
past 50 years, and especially soin the past 10 years, it's been
absolutely astounding.
The rise of artificialintelligence and how quickly we
integrate it into our lives hasalways raised some questions.
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Are we moving so fast that werisk letting it spiral out of
control?
Are we at the right stage inour evolution to have AI in our
everyday lives, or do we need toslow things down a bit to
maintain control?
And, most importantly, are webecoming too dependent on it?
So it's amazing how advanced AIhas become in our development
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as a species, and looking at therapid advancement of AI makes
me wonder about the truths.
In James Cameron's Terminator2: Judgment Day movie, you know,
concepts that once seemed sofar-fetched now appear to be on
the brink of reality.
I mean, are we headed toward aJudgment Day scenario like in
that movie, where machines,cyborg, robots, possess most, if
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not all, of the characteristicsthat not only make something
human but superior to humans?
And this really isn't sciencefiction anymore, is it?
Joe (20:07):
Yeah, so you know, the human brain is incredibly
sophisticated and advanced, andfrom it you know, we have
created AI which, as we've said,is able to do what we do just
more persistently, without thepsychological and physiological
drawbacks that we, as life formsand organism, we must succumb
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to.
We need food, water, sleep,comfort, contentment, emotional
satisfaction.
We get sick, we age, and we arenot always accurate, reliable
and enduring, at least notwithout a lot of effort.
A computer is not affected bysuch parameters.
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It can do the same tasksconsistently with the same
degree of accuracy, precisionand speed, and does not need to
eat, drink, sleep or seekcompanionship to sustain itself.
But what we're seeing in theadvancement of AI is the
tendency for computers to becomeso much like humans in how they
operate that they're becomingprogrammed to exhibit things
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like consciousness, emotionalsensitivity and situational
awareness.
Take Siri, that system developedby Apple, or Alexa, made by
Amazon Lab 126.
These are called digitalassistants, which use computer
software to interface withpeople using sounds and voices.
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There's also Cortana byMicrosoft.
These are AI applications thathave been around for more than a
few years now.
Watson is another one and,according to one of Amazon's
press releases dated April 25th2019,.
These apps have increased from1,000 function skills to over
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90,000 function skills justbetween the years 2015 and 2019.
And we're all familiar withthem as we've seen them on TV
commercials, advertised all overthe place, and they can answer
just about any question you comeup with.
We've seen those Siri and Alexacommercials.
They can also turn things onand off just based off of what
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it knows of your learningpatterns.
It can learn your patterns ofyour daily life and execute
functions like turning on offlights or on and off appliances.
It knows when you go to bed.
It knows when you come homefrom work.
It is watching and interactingwith you much like how another
person would.
Laurie (22:40):
That's funny.
You should say that because wehave Alexa in our house and I
noticed yesterday that thescreen was just black.
So I was like, is it on?
And then I just decided to askalexa, are you asleep?
And then it responded no, I'mwide awake, you know.
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Yeah, so, uh, strange, but I'msure the inventors of that thing
, the creation of it, thought ofeverything, or was it somewhat
self-aware to know that this wassomething that was going to be
a natural response for a human.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, it's a little scary, butyeah, and there are programs
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that can quite literally do yourhomework assignments too, like
they can give completeexplanations to complex
questions and a whole bunch ofwhat you would call cerebral
tasks.
ChatGPT is able to haveconversations with people and
write out speeches and paper,and I think Meta AI has an app
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that can recreate paintings andphotographs to make something in
it appear completely brand newas well as better looking.
So we have to wonder if AI isever going to get to a point
where it completely andperfectly emulates human thought
and behavior and maybe is evenable to surpass us in that way.
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We essentially gave a brain,gave it a brain, so to speak, to
a machine.
Think about that.
So we have made significantprogress in our evolution
quickly and deserve praise forour achievements.
But this concept is reminiscentof the stories of the gods as
understood through the ancientastronaut theory, in which it is
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proposed that a race ofextraterrestrial beings had
created humans far in thedistant past to perform their
task as slave species.
If so, are we now becomingsmarter than those said gods?
We have developed computersthat can think faster than we do
and store all the world'sinformation in, and we have
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created systems that retaininformation far more effectively
than our minds can.
At any moment, a computer mightinterpret certain actions as
attacks and respond defensively.
I mean, who's to say that anadvanced computer system won't
view humans as enemies somedayand this scenario feels more
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plausible now than it ever didand AI could be the catalyst
that triggers the next world war, potentially leading to a
nuclear conflict.
Joe (25:28):
Yeah, and that all illustrates how artificial
intelligence from computers mayfit into the bigger picture of
what is called non-humanintelligence.
Our conceptualization of thisNHI shows that it definitely
transcends the schemata of ourown minds and thus illuminating
how human intellect is just onepart of something else,
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something bigger.
If you recall, how you know, awhile back we discussed the
notion of consciousness, andthat you know, in the story of
Ramanujan, the Indianmathematician who credited his
own genius to divinity,specifically the goddess
Mahalakshmi, and he claimed thatshe appeared to him in a dream
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and that drops of blood fellfrom her hands to the ground and
from those appeared scrollscontaining intricate calculus
equations that he was able todecipher.
So this is an example of howhigher intelligence, from some
other plane or dimension is atwork and is imparting knowledge
to the human mind.
Laurie (26:32):
Well, and then there is also the question of non-human
intelligence being found inanimals or even plants.
I mean, while an argument canbe made that many different
animal species exhibit theability to perceive and respond
to their environments from theprocesses of learning and
decision-making, and evenutilize some communication, it
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is quite evidence that it is notas sophisticated as ours.
That has been quite easilydemonstrated for as long as
we've been around.
So I think if there are levelsto intelligence with something
extraterrestrial out there beingon the higher end, then animals
would be on the lower end of it, and the same would be with
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plant life.
Whenever we mean.
So whatever we mean we say, youknow they communicate or
exhibit some kind of awareness.
It is not the same way as wemean when we're referring to us.
Joe (27:30):
Yeah, I've heard that hypothesis about plant species
being able to communicate witheach other through
electrochemical signals thatemanate in their leaves and
roots and roots, and thatsingle-celled protozoans can
also exhibit behaviors that showsemblance to communication or
consciousness, and how theyrespond to different stimuli.
And you're right.
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It's not language in the waywe're conceptualizing it, in the
way that we're talking about it, and it's more the processes of
chemical reaction, followingthe laws of physics and the laws
of nature.
Within the cells of theseorganisms there are molecules
that combine or break apart toresult in molecules of different
composition and structure,along with a release or an
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absorption of energy.
If there really is a universalintelligence that manifests
itself in many ways, then itwill be that there is a spectrum
or a range in which some thingshave more of it than others,
kind of like the force.
It is present everywhere and ineverything, but some entities
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are able to tap into it andmanipulate it to great extent,
as we can with language,imagination and creativity and
problem-solving and ethicsimagination and creativity and
problem solving, and ethics.
With others very little, ormaybe not at all.
It's difficult to describe orillustrate these notions as they
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are very abstract, consideringwe don't have a concise
definition of something likeintelligence or consciousness,
or even life itself, for thatmatter.
We are only able to recognizeit and identify it based off of
certain traits and processesthat are exhibited.
We know when it is present andwhen it is not, and that's based
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on our own understanding of it,and a lot of that revolves
around the idea of metaphysicsand of individual faith.
What life and consciousness andsentience and intelligence
truly are, by any measure of ascientific definition of
existence, it's still very mucha mystery.
Laurie (29:39):
Right.
And of course, the chemicalactivity, following the laws of
chemistry and physics, as yousaid, also takes place within
all of the cells in our bodies,with nerves, blood, brain and
heart all undergoing them, justlike in the plant cells.
Obviously, there is a bigdifference in the complexity
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between us and plants andmicroscopic organisms.
You know we compared ourcomputer system that has the
proper right hardware installedis to be able to go online and
access information that is fromsomewhere else out on the
worldwide web.
So what if our brains, likecomputers, are able to upload
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and download software, so tospeak, along an energy field
that permeates throughout thecosmos?
Could this be the be analogousto internet cloud in the way
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that our minds define physicalexistence?
Joe (31:01):
in his theoretical work in analytic psychology, with
something he called thecollective unconscious, in which
there possibly exists a type ofinterconnectivity which binds
our own psyche and intellect tosomething beyond our own minds,
and he hinted that this is onthe level where the mind of God
is at work.
He also expounded on this ideathrough something called
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synchronicity, in whichmeaningful experiences which may
seem to lack concrete causationand we've all experienced these
situations, I think, and wewere just, you know, say we were
thinking about someone wehaven't seen or heard from in
years, and then, maybe in just amatter of minutes, we come
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across them, bump into them atthe mall, or we get a phone call
or a letter from them.
So, in a similar manner, wehave to ask are we now able to
connect our higher cognitivepowers to the computers that we
have created from out of our ownminds?
Laurie (32:03):
Well, you know, what do you think about this, Joe, like
I've always wondered.
You know that the saying is,when you die, people say that
their lives flash before theireyes, like they start seeing
their life from when they'reyoung to you know, to the time
they die, or whatever you know.
Could that be some type ofdownload, like your mind is now
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downloading all of these imagesand everything that it's
gathered over all these years,you know, to take with you on
your next journey, into the nextlife or wherever that may be?
I mean, what do you?
What do you think of that?
Joe (32:37):
Yeah, that is an interesting analogy.
I mean, we've all heard that ofyou know the expression of you
know life flashing before youreyes and you know there's
different ways to explain.
Of you know the expression ofyou know life flashing before
your eyes and you know there'sdifferent ways to explain that
you know it just could be thetrauma of whatever you're going
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through just makes you kind ofgo to a different point in your
consciousness.
I don't know, I never had ithappen to me, so I can't really
get a firsthand account of it,but that does seem to be the
theme.
It does fit well with thatnotion of a higher consciousness
, of something beyond our ownhuman mind to which we tap, and
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that has been a theme throughoutcultures since the beginning of
time that there is a higherpower, a higher plane to which
we all connect to at some point,even though our, you know, our
physical minds, or physicalbrains rather, are limited in
how they can process informationthat would pertain to our
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conscious thinking.
We're aware of, you know, know,what is happening in our
environment, and it's almostlike information and sensory
overload.
Our, our brain, for the mostpart, can only handle, at any
given time, that to which weperceive from our senses.
To be able to access orperceive that which is beyond
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our senses, uh, means that wehave to go into a different
state of consciousness whichtakes a certain measure of, I
guess, meditation, contemplation, relaxation.
There are all kinds of differenttechniques that, um, you know,
I've been taught of how you can,you know, you know, kind of
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attain that level of awareness,uh, you know, through yoga,
transcendental mental meditationand various things.
Like I said, I, I have neverexperienced anything like that
myself and and there's alsoother ways to look at that
people could say well, justsimply saying your life flashes
before your eyes is just youknow you reflecting on your life
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flashes before your eyes, isjust you reflecting on your life
at that very second that youthink you're going to die or
perhaps you are at the brink ofdeath.
But yeah, it is an interestingnotion that maybe this is a
software download.
It would seem to almost makesense with what we're talking
about here.
Laurie (35:02):
Yeah, no very good points here.
Yeah, yeah, no very good points.
And to expand upon what youwere saying earlier too, is you
know?
I think we also need to ask ifthis is just part of humanity
evolving, by which it is, youknow, it's learning from
something higher and then, youknow, passes that knowledge
along.
Like, Mustafa Suleyman haswritten a compelling book titled
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the Coming Wave AI Power andthe 21st Century's Greatest
Dilemma.
In it, he discusses how we areon the brink of a critical
threshold where everything willchange for human civilization.
Suleyman emphasizes that wewill soon be surrounded by
artificial intelligence, whichwill influence our lives and
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manage our governments andbusinesses.
This includes the innovationsuch as DNA printers, weapons
and robot assistants, and hewarns that we are not
sufficiently prepared for thistransformation prepared for this
transformation.
Joe (36:05):
Well, he may be right.
Suleyman contends that theupcoming decades will be
characterized by a surge inpower and new technologies based
on a model, with AI beingdriven by significant political
and commercial incentives, whichwill generate wealth and tackle
global, global crises.
However, we should also preparefor upheavals of unimaginable
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scale.
Currently, our governments arein a precarious position,
potentially heading towardsdisaster, due to unprecedented
challenges arising fromunchecked opennesses on one side
of the and the threat of excess, excessive surveillance on the
other.
And in his it's called theglossary of key terms, he
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introduces what he refers to asa coming wave, which encompasses
an emerging cluster of relatedtechnologies which are focused
on AI and something that hecalls synthetic biology, which I
think is exactly what it soundslike.
And these technologies possesstransformative potential to
empower humanity, while alsoposing significant risks.
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And he elaborates on the notionof containment, which is the
capability to monitor, limit,control and, if necessary, shut
down these systems.
So he gives a ratherapocalyptic view, in a lot of
ways, about AI.
He also addresses thecontainment problem, saying that
these so-called waves may proveunpredictable and virtually
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uncontrollable, which could leadto unforeseen, disastrous
security consequences unforeseendisastrous security
consequences.
Laurie (37:47):
He also stated, on page 61 of the book, that a
large-scale rollout of AItechnology is already in
progress.
Software has revolutionizednumerous sectors, facilitating
the collection and analysis ofvast data, and this data is now
being utilized to train AIsystems to develop more
efficient and accurate products.
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Across nearly all areas of ourlives, artificial intelligence
is becoming increasinglyaccessible, with programs
designed to equipnon-specialists with advanced
machine learning capabilities.
In a few short years,artificial intelligence will be
capable of communicating,reasoning and interacting within
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the same world we inhabit, withsensory systems on par with our
own.
Furthermore, ai is alreadyembedded into products, services
and devices we rely on daily,and it is used to identify
cracks in water pipes, managetraffic flow, model fusion
reactions for cleaner energyproduction, optimize shipping
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routes, enhance system securityand assist in designing more
sustainable building materials.
It even plays a crucial role indriving cars and trucks, as
we're witnessing.
Joe (39:08):
Yeah, the applications for it seem endless, and we still
have to wonder just how suchintuition and knowledge can come
to us only from if it does comefrom a cosmic field, in other
words, this intelligence that wehave and we pass on to AI, if
it isn't something universal,meaning it's just simply
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something higher than us, andthen we are able to exhibit it
and then we're able to create itin the forms of computers and
the software they execute.
We also get help from otherforms of life that may have
learned to do it Some of thisalready what we're talking about
.
Maybe they've had many morecenturies, maybe thousands of
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years more uh experience withworking with an artificial
intelligence.
Now, when we consider how DavidGrush uh has commented uh, he
said in an article where, uh,it's called the intelligence the
debrief is the name of thearticle.
The debrief intelligenceofficials say that the us has
retrieved craft of non-humanorigin, and this is an article
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by Leslie Kean and RalphBlumenthal.
It's dated June 5th, 2023.
Grush, says he that therecoveries of both partial
fragments and intact vehicleshave been conducted for decades,
and they continue to thepresent day, by our government
and its allies and defensecontractors.
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Analysis has determined thatthese objects retrieved are of
what he calls exotic origin,which would be non-human
intelligence, whether it'sextraterrestrial or of some
unknown origin altogether, andbased on the vehicle
morphologies, the materialscience testing and radiological
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signatures is how they come tothis conclusion.
Laurie (40:59):
But the material includes intact and partially
intact vehicles, and he alsostated that the U.
S.
has retrieved non-humanbiological matter from the
pilots of these crafts.
And this information comes fromindividuals who are currently
involved and have directknowledge of the program.
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And you know, the hearing atCongress was a significant
moment for disclosure, withmilitary officials and leaders
from various aerospace companiesthat were present.
So one must wonder you knowwhat's really going on, and are
they preparing us for somethingsignificant to emerge on the
coming horizon?
Joe (41:39):
Yeah, I know.
I mean Grush has said that theU.
S.
military has retrievednon-human biological matter from
the pilots of these aircraft Imean not aircraft but spacecraft
indicating that they are notrobots, that they are life forms
and therefore they are not AI.
They are extraterrestrialspecies, and some forms of
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organisms operate in fullyintact and partially intact
vehicles.
And he seems to be saying thatthe incidents, namely the
Roswell one, the most well-knownone, and with alien bodies,
whether they're alive or dead,they're being recovered and
taken to places like Area 51 andWright-Patterson Air Force Base
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.
Laurie (42:26):
Exactly so.
We did some digging and cameacross a government dossier
released by the NSA the NationalSecurity Agency on October 21,
2004, under the Freedom ofInformation Act, specifically
case number 41472.
And it is titled Communicationwith Extraterrestrial
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Intelligence and it's authoredby Lambros de Calamaos.
It begins with proclaiming thatwe are certainly not alone in
the universe, and that remindedme of the scene in the 1996
movie Independence Day, wherethe president announces to the
world the question of whether weare alone in the universe has
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been answered.
And, of course, per the moviestory, it was answered because
of all the giant spaceshipsarriving and hovering over our
major cities.
Joe (43:19):
Yeah, it would be quite obvious then.
That would be the undeniableproof that we have all been
looking for.
But in this article you'retalking about, Calamehos
explains that well.
A few years ago this ideaseemed far-fetched.
That today and that was in 2004, the existence of intelligent
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and sentient alien life forms istaken for granted by most
scientists Remember this is adocument that is on file with
the NSA and it was declassifiedafter 30 years.
He also alludes to Sir BernardLovell, one of the world's
leading radio astronomers, whoin the 60s calculated that, even
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if you allow for a margin oferror of 5,000% which means 50
times more likely to beincorrect in the mathematical
extrapolations that there isstill estimated in our own
galaxy to be about 100 millionstars that have planets with the
right chemistry, temperatureand size to support organic
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evolution, temperature and sizeto support organic evolution.
And if we consider that our owngalaxy, the Milky Way galaxy,
is but one of at least a billionother galaxies and that's
putting it rather conservativelywhich are similar to ours in
the observable universe, thenthe number of stars that could
support some form of life isjust simply too staggering to
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think about.
Laurie (44:46):
But then Kellen House wrote that Dr Frank Drake, who
worked for the National RadioAstronomy Observatory at Green
Bank, west Virginia, saidputting all our knowledge
together, the number ofcivilizations which could have
arisen from now is about onebillion.
So the question is where iseverybody?
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And the nearest neighbor to oursolar system is Alpha Centauri,
only 4.3 light years away, butstill its planetary system is
probably too young for theemergence of life.
However, there are two otherplanetary systems called Epsilon
, eridani and Tau Citi,approximately 11 light years
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away and are stronger contendersfor harboring life.
If superior civilizations areabundant, the nearest would
probably be at least 100 lightyears away.
Therefore, a reply would take200 years.
This should make littledifference to us in view of the
enormous potential gained fromour contact with a superior
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civilization.
So we must assume that theother civilizations are far more
advanced than we are.
A 50-year gap would betremendous not 50 years behind
us but ahead of us and a500-year gap will boggle our
imagination.
But you can imagine what a5,000-year gap would be like.
Joe (46:14):
Well, kalamajos also claimed that these other
civilizations may have probes inspace retransmitting back to
them anything that soundsorganized meaning not random or
intelligent an intelligentsignal, and be picked up by the
probe.
Now, after reading this, Ithought about the Omuamua
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asteroid that visited our solarsystem back in October of 2017.
It flew by Earth at the righttime, just as Earth was
approaching it, and it wasredirected.
It made its turn as trajectoryin its orbit and went back into
the interstellar space, and wediscussed that a few years ago.
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As we mentioned, the oddbehavior of a Moa Moa was in how
it was observed to beaccelerating away from the solar
system as if it was propelled,and this has led some to
speculate that it might havebeen a type of alien space probe
.
Laurie (47:12):
I have been thinking more about this too, since our
episode about Oumuamua, andthere may be an even bitter
explanation as to how that thingcame into our solar system and
did that thing came into oursolar system and did that?
So?
Could it be because you knowplanets with a civilization or
star systems?
They are so far away, like wewere just saying, light years
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away, alpha, centauri and suchand that, with the behavior of
this so-called asteroid seemingto be so mathematically precise
in its approach to Earth to slowdown and then speed off?
Maybe it came from a mothershipthat is still out there, hidden
behind some planet not too faraway where we can't see it.
(47:56):
So it's like in Star Wars, aNew Hope, right when they
encounter that lone TIE fighterand I can't remember which
character said it, I think AnSolo, maybe, but he said
something like it's too far outto be on its own, or something
like that.
And that's when they come uponthe Death Star, and Obi-Wan
Kenobi quotes the famous linethat's no moon, it's a space
(48:18):
station.
So could Oumuamua have been ascout ship or a probe sent out
from a non-visible starshiphiding beyond a planet you know,
waiting outside our solarsystem?
Joe (48:30):
So, interestingly enough, the meaning of the Hawaiian word
Omuamua is messenger from afarto lead to the idea that
something sentient is out thereobserving us, perhaps trying not
to interfere with our evolution, at least not too much.
(48:51):
Think of how it is shown inStar Trek, where the Enterprise
starship crew is watching aplanet and they may send down
away teams to mingle amongst theinhabitants to get further
information, or send shuttles tofly through the skies.
So whether or not a Moa Moa issuch a thing as that, or if an
advanced civilization did sendmessages or messengers, they may
(49:16):
very well have called usseveral thousand years ago and
probably more than once, maybethroughout our history.
We have received it and havenot been able to comprehend it.
Laurie (49:33):
Well, they may be waiting for an answer or, worse
yet, they've given up.
Perhaps they have made suchimpressive technological
advances in the same manner wehave that they have destroyed
themselves in some terribleholocaust, a world war iii, on
their planet.
So it could be that the threatswe are facing here, like
nuclear annihilation, are thesame ones that other species
throughout the universe arefacing yeah, we have to wonder,
(49:55):
you know, where does non-humanintelligence, in any of its
forms, actually take us?
Joe (50:00):
some believe it will lead the human race into a utopia of
a peaceful and prosperous worldin which there is harmony
everywhere for all time.
Others look to it as being morelike something that will bring
about Armageddon, where we willend up back in the Dark Ages,
and an honest opinion of it willsee that there is the potential
(50:21):
for both.
Like many things, there is aduality, with good possibilities
and bad possibilities.
Laurie (50:28):
I'll even say that potential for good and bad is
silical.
Something may start off as agreat achievement and turn into
a horrific demise.
One of the ideas that we findfrom examining the history of
the world is that civilizationsrise and fall.
From what Zacharia Sitchintells us in his work in The
(50:51):
Earth Chronicles, humanity'slong-forgotten stone age of the
past was preceded by a great andmarvelous technological age
when the gods had dwelt.
Here he could be talking aboutthe Anunnaki or the gods of
Atlantis, but could thistechnological era we are living
(51:11):
in now be one that likewiseprecedes our next Stone Age?
Joe (51:17):
There's definitely something to ponder and
definitely something for you,the audience, to decide.
So this will conclude ourepisode today.
We hope you enjoyed it as muchas we did.
Please feel free to share yourcomments with us on our Facebook
page or on our website atwwwaliantpodcastcom, and we
would love to hear your thoughtsand questions on this.
Laurie (51:40):
Yeah, we want to thank you all for tuning in.
Today, Our next show.
We will discuss the future ofhumanity and our venture to Mars
it's in the news a lot latelyand we will discuss how NASA's
mission to send astronauts tothe red planet is moving forward
at a very rapid pace and we areexcited because this is all
(52:02):
happening in our lifetime.
A lot of people are talkingabout it.
Joe (52:07):
Yeah, they certainly are.
So, yeah, we'll discuss how allthis is going to be achieved,
not only through governmentfunding but through the
commercial aerospace sector, andthe question of whether we have
already been there and whetherthis is humanity's actual return
to Mars Should be a veryinteresting topic to get into.
So until we join you next time,folks have a great month Again,
(52:30):
have a happy new year, Be safeand, as always, stay curious.
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