May 1, 2024 • 52 mins
Yohoho and a bottle or rum! Former Congressman Ted Yoho makes a return to the world stage after admitting that he did call Congresswoman AOC an “F’ing B”.
Comedian and Tik Tok star, Ben Palmer, pranked Congressman Yoho in 2020 for a couple of months, pretending to be a conservative with the website “Parler.” If you are not familiar with the website, Parler was going to be the new Facebook for conservatives, until it imploded and disappeared (or it might still be there but it may as well have disappeared). Ben recorded Congressman Yoho over several phone calls and in April of 2024 released video footage of his phone calls and an in-person meeting with Congressman Yoho.
Ben’s story and video release of Congressman Yoho’s confession may be viewed on his YouTube Channel: https://youtu.be/rMG_yyRM_Zk
In honor of his confession, we bring you this encore episode (our San Francisco studio is having some electrical work done)!
And as usual, we also include our robot overlord’s summary of the episode:
In this provocative episode of "Apologies Accepted," hosts Theo and Juliette engage in a detailed analysis of the infamous altercation between former Representative Ted Yoho and Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. The hosts dissect the incident, Yoho's denial of his derogatory remarks, and the broader issue of gender-based verbal abuse in political arenas.
The episode doesn't merely recount the incident but also invites the listeners for introspection on unprofessionalism, the effects on public apologies, and their absence. In their charming yet insightful discussion, Theo and Juliette make this dire issue digestible without shying away from the harsh realities.
The thought-provoking discourse extends not only to political apologies but also touches upon the golden years of Hollywood with discussions related to famed actress Liza Minnelli and her memorable projects. By exploring Yoho's misguided apology, this episode illuminates the significant role of sincere apologies in our public discourse.
Explore with us the hidden motivations and potential strategies behind Yoho's tirade. Was it a manifestation of personal disdain or a calculated move for his political future? Prudently related personal stories, thoughtful reviews of our actions, and enlightened lessons have all found a place in this episode.
Immerse yourself in this absorbing examination of power dynamics, personal intents and the far-reaching ramifications of such political clashes as we unmask the intricacies of the Yoho-AOC controversy.
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Music.
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I'm Theo. And I'm Juliette. And this is Apologies Accepted. We offer an entertaining
look at some of the big issues in history by examining public apologies of the famous and infamous.
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Music.
Hey, everybody. I am still not Juliet. And I am not Theo again.
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And this is Apologies Accepted, right? The podcast. Did I get the name right? I did.
Who knows what I'm going to come out with one of these days.
Same. How are you, Theo? It's so good to see you and your plants in the background. I am so great.
Yes. We have winter weather in Austin and nobody knows what to do. It is snowpocalypse.
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It has not snowed yet, but it will. This will be the second time ever since
I've lived here 11 years that it snowed twice.
Maybe it snows for an hour or two every five years. and it's pretty.
It lays on the ground for 15 minutes and it goes away. So everybody is tucked inside and afraid.
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If it's going to be 20 degrees or whatever, it's going to stay on the ground
longer than that, don't you think? I don't know a lot about snow.
That's true. You lived in North Carolina and then California and now Texas.
So you're not the snow expert.
Well, we'll find out next week. It'll be exciting. I'm glad you brought your
plants inside because they're really nice looking plants and they deserve to be treated well.
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Which makes it look like I care a lot about plants and I'm some sort of a plant
person, and I am totally not.
I just buy plants that are hard to kill. I think maybe you are.
No, no. It turns out that baby olive trees are just really hardy.
Wow. I believe they outlawed olive trees in Arizona because they give people such bad allergies.
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I am just a rebel. I see. Of course. The minute they outlawed olive trees,
I went out and I bought some. And you bought some.
So what are we talking about today we're talking about ted yo yo ho yo ho ho
and a bottle of rum and that's not the only joke i wrote for this episode boy i'm glad.
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So sorry everybody apologies in advance yeah apologies in advance so okay so let's get into to it.
So here is how I imagine this went down. Right.
OK, so right. So Ted Yoho and AOC and the the encounter that they had. Yes.
Yes. So in July 2020, our friend Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was
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walking gracefully up the steps of the Capitol, dressed to fucking kill,
thinking about an upcoming vote when now former Representative Ted Yoho of Florida
slimed up to her on the steps, leaned over her elegant five-foot-four frame,
shoved his finger in her face, and started screech-whining at her about how
poor people are less than human and her ideas about treating them with respect are ridiculous.
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Ocasio-Cortez looked him up and down, calmly said, rude,
and continued up the steps and into the building, while Yoho,
now joined by Representative Roger Williams, a Republican from Texas,
who had joined Yoho and had started screaming at that Ocasio-Cortez,
about throwing urine for some reason,
walked down a few steps before Yoho mindlessly uttered, fucking bitch.
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Or he said bullshit. He denied calling her a bitch. He says he muttered the word bullshit.
And this is something I played during a game I played when all of this happened, right?
Did you play this game where you say the word bullshit and see if it sounds
like fucking bitch? Yeah, it doesn't.
It doesn't. And then I was like, if I'm on a stairway and maybe I'm 10 feet
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away and the wind's blowing,
could it still, you know, does bullshit turn into the tender caressings of fucking bitch?
I mean, what does it even matter if he said that she's a fucking bitch or called all her ideas bullshit.
It's kind of all rude, in my opinion.
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I mean, honestly, it's all ridiculous.
There are ways in which we work through our differences with people. Right.
And calling somebody names isn't what we're supposed to do.
And in a professional environment, we don't call people's ideas bullshit.
Only on podcast are you allowed to do this. That's right. Right.
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If I did this in my job, I would be fired so fast.
People get fired for this. People do. And he should have been probably.
But anyway, so the next day, our dear friend AOC told Yahoo News,
Yoho comes up to me and puts his finger in my face and flies off in a rage.
He started going off about shootings and bread and nonsense,
calling me crazy, shameful, out of my mind, etc.
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At first, I tried to talk to him, but that just made him yell over me more.
I said he was being rude and this was unbelievable and started to walk away.
He said, I'm rude. You're calling me rude. And I just kept walking to my vote.
So she then said that she confronted him later that day about what he did.
And she said he doubled down, yelling at me again for a second time later in the afternoon.
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So it was unpleasant all the way around. The guy that was there,
Roger Williams from Texas, said that he hadn't heard the discussion.
But in a tweet the following morning, I think, AOC accused him of having blatantly lied.
You were yelling at me, too, she wrote, about throwing urine.
I don't get the throwing urine thing. I never quite got to the bottom of where
the urine was allegedly was thrown.
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What? But it's yeah, it's something that she's reported and she didn't go into great detail.
It was just mentioned in a tweet. I couldn't find anything on it either.
And I don't know any expressions that are like, yeah, you're so bad.
I'm just going to throw urine out the window. Right, right.
I don't know. No, you're a pile of urine. Yeah, I'm so mad.
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I'm going to throw urine at you. I'm so mad. I'm just going to pee.
Maybe what he meant, maybe what he said, this is where she actually misheard
something. Shame on her.
You're in trouble. You're in trouble. You're in trouble.
So, AOC told The Hill that she never had that kind of confrontation ever.
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I've never had that kind of abrupt, disgusting kind of disrespect levied at me.
In all these intense news cycles, I have never, ever been treated that way by
another member before. I'm frankly quite taken aback.
So why was Yoho mad? Who is Ted Yoho for you?
So Ted Yoho, not a lot out there on him prior to really, really until he entered
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Congress. There's just not a lot there.
So he, in my opinion, is the embodiment of all American 1950s white culture.
He was born in Minneapolis, Minnesota on April 13th, 1955, which makes him an
Aries. That might explain some of this.
Aren't you an Aries? Yeah, yeah.
But I'm an early Aries. He's a later Aries. You're more like Pisces.
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The sweeter fruit of the Aries vine. The good side, yeah. Yeah, totally.
And so at the age of 11, he moved to Florida. And in elementary school,
he met his second wife, Carolyn, in the fourth grade.
They were married 19 years later. They were married at the age of 19.
Wait, he met his second wife, Carolyn, in the fourth grade?
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He met his first, did I say his second wife? Yes.
Lady, his first wife. His first wife, Isabel, died tragically on the playground in the third grade.
That's the real shame. Nobody tells you about the horrors of elementary. I mean, the horrors.
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Just to be clear, that was horrors of elementary school.
Oh, God. Anyway, back to Ted Yoho.
No, so Ted Yoho met his first and only wife, Carolyn, when they were both in
the fourth grade at appropriate age to be in the fourth grade.
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He wasn't the substitute teacher.
This went off the rails real quick. It's all right. It's fun.
But that's, yeah. Okay. So, so.
So he met his wife while they were children. They were childhood sweethearts,
and they got married early at the age of 19.
He went to community college, and then he climbed up the educational ladder.
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He went to the University of Florida.
Then he went to the University of Florida of Veterinary Medicine,
and then he got his doctorate.
His doctorate? He got a doctorate, or did he get a DVD or whatever it is? A VD.
Veterinary doctor. Okay. is a wedding guy. Great. All right.
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And I looked that up. That's a certified.
They're not all. He's the VD. Okay.
Let's see. So he is a member of the American Veterinary Medical Association
because he would have to be.
Florida Veterinary Medical Association, Florida Association,
and I'm sorry to inform you of Equine Practitioners. I know how much you love Of horses.
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Oh. Yeah. And the Florida Cattlemen's Association and, no surprise,
the National Rifle Association.
So he's essentially the generic white guy, but even worse, the idealized version
of the generic 1950s white guy.
So childhood sweethearts, got married, still married, a lot of kids.
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Great. Worked his way up to being a veterinarian. Worked his way up.
Yeah. Became a doctor. her. Vets are amazing.
She's not my friend, but I want my vet to be my friend. So I'm getting a dog
just so I can see Dr. Heidi again. I love you, Dr. Heidi.
But not in a romantic way. No. Okay. Let's see.
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Okay. So given that he's this 1950s generic white guy, what are his politics? So let's see.
He's a Tea Party Republican already. The stuff just starts to right itself.
He defeated old term, old Republican, a guy named Cliff Stearns,
who was first elected to office in 1988 and was running again in 2012.
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Yeho won by just 1%. And yeah, and it's a ruby red district.
So no surprise, he beat the Democrat by 65 to 32.
And then, and let's see, in 2013, he supported a birther investigation into
Obama's birth certificate. Remember all that?
Right. Yeah. And he also thought that attacks on tanning beds was racist against white people.
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Because brown people don't use them. So the only people who would be paying
this tax would be the white people who are trying to be brown. That's crazy.
Well, yeah, that is a little. He's got a couple of things out there.
He's got a lot of things that are crazy.
But even even in the world of crazy, like that's just a stupid idea. But whatever.
So obviously he's pro gun. He's a gun owner. He supports concealed carry laws
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and he carries a gun with him at all times when he's at home in Florida.
So don't approach him. See, he's compared having a gun to having a cell phone.
And he says, I have the right to protect myself. And I feel like I have a very
good aim. My wife is better.
And that statement right there to me, that's just somebody who's afraid.
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I'm letting you all know I've got a gun. And if you come after my wife,
she'll shoot you, too. So these are people who definitely should have guns.
Let's see. And he's all for guns at the Capitol, probably even still,
even after the insurrection.
I read that he voted against making lynching a federal hate crime.
That was my big surprise for you, but I see that you know Wikipedia too.
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I was like, lynching is a federal hate crime. I mean, hi, what?
Hello? Okay. If that's not a federal hate crime, what is?
I was very surprised. So you can always find and common ground with somebody.
And in these stories, I do like to, not that I like to, but I do put myself
in the villain's shoes. Yeah. Right?
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And so there's always common ground. Drugs! He's all for drugs.
States determining their own laws around marijuana.
And I couldn't be more surprised.
And he supports the medical use. So he's not all bad, except mostly bad.
He supported Texas versus Pennsylvania. And that bullshit thing about Trump,
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of course, you know, won the presidential election and he is still presidenting just from Florida.
And I would say the only thing that seems honorable about him that I can point
to would be he said that he would only run for four terms and he stuck by that
promise. You mean two terms?
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Oh, somehow in here I have four terms, but I also said Carolyn was a second
wife and she's his first. So let's just say instead of the number of terms,
Juliette, what's most important is that I'm right somehow.
I know he, yeah, he joined in 2013 and now he's retired.
So however many terms that comes out to, it's two years for 12,
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13, 14, 17, 18, 19. I guess it was four.
Yeah. Okay. See? You're right.
I know. I know.
I didn't question my rightness at all. And he's also anti-choice, not surprisingly.
Oh, well, I mean, come on. Yeah, of course. I'm sure he has a picture of a fetus
on a T-shirt somewhere in his house.
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And he was replaced by his chief of staff, his former chief of staff.
So she is now the rep for District 3.
And then, yes. And so there's not too much about him.
I was looking for anything, like, did he have an affair? Couldn't find anything.
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I thought maybe for a while, oh, maybe he's like super Christian and he's Christian,
but he's not one of those Avenue C guys.
So let's see. So we've talked about the AOC encounter because unfortunately
for Ted Yoho, this is the most interesting thing that's happened to him in his
career. Yeah, definitely.
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The only instance of Ted Yoho fighting with anybody I could find was the AOC encounter.
Yeah. Weirdly, he's never called a man disgusting. Well, that's crazy.
Or it's never been reported. Who would believe that?
Well, I mean, that's... Targeting a woman? I don't get it. That's where I don't know, right?
It's like, maybe he did confront, I don't know, name a liberal.
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Maybe he did confront Bernie Sanders and said, you're disgusting.
And Bernie Sanders was like, meh. And it didn't get reported.
I have some stuff on that later, but yeah. Oh, good. Good. Okay. Cause I need that.
Okay. So he was, he was obviously not going to be AOC's biggest fan, right?
Clearly. Yeah. And he was mad about some statements that she made during a virtual
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town hall in early July about a recent spike in crime in New York City.
Exactly. And she had argued that unemployment and poverty were partly to blame
for the spike in crime and that more policing was not the answer,
which Fox News and all the other conservative news outlets took to mean that
she was making excuses for violent crime.
Of course they would. She said.
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Stimulus checks and unemployment payments has helped trigger the crime spike.
So she said they're in a position where they feel like they either need to shoplift
some bread or go hungry that night.
Which is the eternal question of LaMiz.
And these guys have clearly never been to a Broadway show, right?
Because without Jean Valjean stealing a loaf of bread, we have no Anne Hathaway in that movie.
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Right. What a tragedy that would be. And so in that typical way that Fox News
pundits have of taking any event and twisting it in just such a way as to fit a narrative,
Mike Huckabee said, there's a big difference between shoplifting and cold-blooded murder.
And for her not to know the difference is frankly astonishing,
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which wasn't even the fucking thing. Right.
She didn't even mention that. It wasn't even a part of the conversation.
Of course, she had to put it in there to make it sound like she's ridiculous,
because that's the attempt. That's the story.
That's the story. She's ridiculous. She's crazy. She's nuts.
So, have you seen Cabaret? Yeah.
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Trick question? With Liza Minnelli? Yes. With Liza Minnelli.
Well, is there another Cabaret? Yeah, there's the other one that I really want
to see, but I don't think there's a recording of it.
There wouldn't be. There's not. There's only one, and it's that one.
I think the other one's probably pretty good, too.
But I watched about two thirds of it. And then I thought, well, OK.
And that was that was that was my experience with Cabaret.
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You know, I just don't like Liza Minnelli. I'm probably either. OK, good.
Yeah. I mean, they don't hate her. They don't want to hate. Well,
I mean, there are people that I, actors that I just like the idea of them I
hate, right? Yeah. And now I can't think of one.
But yeah, so I'll say this about Liza Minnelli.
I had a, God, I'm sure this professor will never hear this podcast or this episode.
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So I had this really dumb class called Hollywood and something.
And part of it was we had to watch a bunch of movies.
And one of those movies we had to
watch was a star is born and i was
like oh god liza minnelli jesus christ please oh
the original oh there
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was one before oh okay oh yeah oh jesus christ we tried to watch that barbara
streisand one and it i was like oh my god that barbara streisand one She doesn't have a job.
Nobody's looking for her. She just meets this guy who's, or he discovers her
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or whatever. Like the Barbra Streisand one was a train wreck.
Oh, okay. It made no sense. Okay.
It was super popular when it came out. The Lady Gaga one was good.
Well, I didn't Barbra Streisand. Right, right, right, right.
Disco. She could read a phone book and people would pay to go see it.
People would pay for it. Yeah.
So anyway, the whole point of this was that I went into the original Star is
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Born thinking it was going to suck.
Yeah. And, oh, my fucking God, Liza Minnelli was like, I was floored.
Yeah. I still don't love her.
Right. But talented, totally. Huh.
Maybe I'll watch it. Not in a Mel Gibson kind of way where he's talented,
but racist. It's more that. Is she racist?
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Well, I mean, she's 1950s. Well, I suppose everyone's racist.
But did she come out saying, you know, the Jews were.
Okay here's where we take the fox news template and
we start twisting things to fit narratives that we want liza bedelli was an
incurable racist god oh we're in so much trouble now carried a brick with her
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at all times okay let's move on,
So the next bit that I.
Someone asked Yoho whether he would be apologizing for his outburst and for
calling AOC a fucking bitch.
And Yoho lied. I can't apologize because I didn't say that.
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However, several congressmen actually stood up and strongly condemned Yoho demanding
an apology on AOC's behalf, have, including House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer,
whose name I love, Steny, who stated Mr.
Yoho owes not only the Congresswoman an apology, but an apology on the floor of the House.
And Minnesota's Dean Phillips tweeted, like AOC, I believe poverty to be a root cause of crime.
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Wonder why Representative Yoho hasn't accosted me on the Capitol steps with
the same sentiment. Shameful.
And Arizona's Ruben Gallego wrote, I have suggested the same thing that AOC
has. Poverty and unemployment lead to crime.
Weird. Neither Yoho or any other member has ever talked to me that way.
So after the men asked, Yoho did stand up in the House and say,
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I rise to apologize for the abrupt manner of the conversation I had with my
colleague from New York.
It is true that we disagree on policies and visions for America,
but that does not mean we should be disrespectful, said Yoho,
adding, having been married for 45 years with two daughters,
I'm very cognizant of my language. What the fuck?
The offensive name-calling words attributed to me by the press were never spoken
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to my colleague, and if they were construed that way, I apologize for their misunderstanding.
Yoho continued, continued as my colleagues know i'm passionate
about those affected by policy and here's the funny
part my wife carolyn and i started out together at the
age of 19 with nothing we did odd jobs and we
were on food stamps i know the face of poverty and
for a time it was mine i just can't
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get over that anyway this is why i know people in this country can
still with all its faults rise up and succeed and not be encouraged
to break the law i will commit to each of you that i will conduct
myself from a place of passion and understanding that policy and political disagreement
be vigorously debated with the knowledge that we approach the problems facing
our nation with the betterment of the country in mind and the people we serve
i cannot apologize for my passion or for loving my god my family and my country
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da da da fuck off seriously.
I mean nobody first i know we're not at the point yet where we're at the apology
analysis yeah but But nothing in that addresses the issue at all.
Nope. Nobody said shit about your God.
Nope. Nobody said anything about your wife. Nope. Didn't come up, right?
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Nope. And all this did was give Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez a great opportunity
to publicly address this non-apology and the situation.
Yep. And her takedown, her analysis was so good, so moving, and exactly on point.
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You know, she didn't she didn't take it to places it didn't need to go. Yeah.
Whereas I agree with her, her statement that he is using his wife and daughters
as a shield. Look, I've got kids.
I'm so nice. Yeah. Right.
Yeah. She said so. She said, I never spoke to a representative Yoho before he
decided to accost me on the steps of the nation's capital yesterday.
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Believe it or not, I usually get along fine with my GOP colleagues.
We know how to check our legislative sparring at the committee door.
But hey, bitches get stuff done. And then to underscore the point,
she posted a video of herself in front of the Dome of the Capitol building set
to Doja Cat's boss bitch, which was good.
I'm just going to say everybody should have gotten the memo by now.
Don't fuck with AOC. I know. Totally.
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Yeah. And for his apology, she quickly tweeted after his floor speech that it wasn't an apology.
Republican response to calling a colleague disgusting and a fucking bitch was
I cannot apologize for my passion and blaming others, she wrote.
Wrote, I will not teach my nieces and young people watching that this is an
apology and what they should learn to accept. Yoho is refusing responsibility.
She further tweeted that Yoho does not apologize or name any action he did,
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does not accept responsibility, lies.
This was not a conversation. It was verbal assault. Says everyone else is wrong
and the incident never happened.
Mr. Yoho mentioned that he has a wife and two daughters. I am someone's daughter
too. My father, thankfully, is not alive to see how Mr. Yoho treated his daughter.
My mother got to go got to see Mr. Yoho's disrespect on the floor of this house
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towards me on television.
And I am here because I have to show my parents that I am their daughter and
they did not raise me to accept abuse from men.
I mean, it's beautiful again.
It's just it is it's a perfectly crafted rebuttal.
And, you know, I mean, at the same time, it's also what am I trying to say?
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Like, I don't want to say it feels of course, I'm going to support AOC.
Right. So I want to keep in mind
that, like, it's very easy to pile on Ted Yoho for being a moron. Yeah.
And not that I don't want to do that. I just want I want listeners to be aware
that I'm very well aware that I have a bias.
And so I might not be looking at the situation fairly.
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I mean, does poor Ted Yoho have a point?
I love you. Nobody can see the look on your face. And the look on your face
is so like, why are you talking about why the earth is flat and there's no gravity?
I mean, no, he doesn't have a point.
Okay, good. We just, we need to raise that, right?
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So that we're not accused of being so terribly one-sided.
Yeah but i mean this is an easy it's an easy it's unfortunate and apparently it's a very common,
scenario oh yeah one that i'm not qualified to to speak on i mean you'd be hard-pressed
to find a woman anywhere who had not been called a fucking bitch for something as simple as existing,
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like if you sit there and you have the wrong expression on your face you might
be called a fucking bitch.
So it totally happens all the time. Women are constantly accosted by men who
think they should be doing something other than whatever it is they're doing.
So it happens a lot on Twitter, I think. And when I had a feminist magazine,
it happened a lot in email.
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I got a lot of death threats and stuff like that. Oh, you never told me that.
Well, I just thought it was stupid. I mean, and this is totally my response
to the death threats that I got. I got tons of death threats every day.
Email, you know, but to me, it's just, oh, this is the email.
These people don't know me.
They're mostly anonymous. They're not going to kill me. I'm just going to shove
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all these emails right into the trash. And that worked for me.
Now, but a lot of people who get death threats on Twitter take them very seriously.
And it may be because the times have changed. I mean, that was 20 years ago.
Times have changed. It's very easy to find out who somebody is now.
Now, it seems like it should be impossible, but if somebody wanted to invest
the time, they could ease, I shouldn't say easily because I don't,
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I don't really know, but you're right.
It's easier. It was pretty easy back then too. I mean, it was,
you could, if you looked up my domain name, it would, it had my address.
So it was easy to find out who I was, but you know, but whatever,
you know, what works for one person doesn't always work for someone else.
So I don't blame any women for being afraid when they get death threats. It's frightening.
Yeah. I've never gotten a death threat. And of all people on the planet?
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I mean, yeah, I've had people say, I'm going to fucking kill you.
Yeah. But it's usually followed by a hug. Oh.
I'm going to fucking kill you with love.
No, I've never had a death threat. Never, ever, ever. Have you become a fucking bitch?
I mean, undeservedly? No.
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For having the wrong expression on my face? No, no.
Uh, no. So I just have to say that, you know, it's, I, I, I'm, I'm tired of it.
I'm tired of the whole topic of, you know, harassment against women just because
it's so constant and it's everywhere.
And I don't have a whole lot to add to what other people have more smartly said
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than me, but yeah, it happens all the time.
So, and then, and it seems like Ted Yoho is just not a nice man.
Cause when she went up to him like the next day or something and said, if you do that
to me again i won't be so nice next time and he said oh boohoo well it's like
what is he 12 i mean he's very 12 how did he end up with these babies like in
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congress these men who are other babies elected them i mean i don't know if
you've been to florida's third district.
I hear bad things about florida it's a shame i lived there for five years it's
not my choice I was a child. Such a beautiful state.
It was great. I loved it. Florida was amazing.
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And Florida gets picked on unfairly a lot because they have the sunshine law
where every crime is public record or something.
So it's really easy for media to go in and like, we're crazy.
And there is that website, you know, afloradaman.com or floridawoman.com.
It just tells you all the crazy Florida stuff.
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And yeah, the crazy stuff happens everywhere. So Florida, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry. I know you get picked on a lot.
You are the redheaded stepchild in America. And I am sorry to the redheaded
stepchildren in America.
That's like a racist saying. Did you know that?
To look on my face right now as one of glee, because good.
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You're gleeful because you said something racist? About redheaded stepchildren? Totally.
Everyone hates them. I'm sorry. Oh, God, this is terrible. I'm going to go straight to hell.
Well, you are going straight to hell. So you're right. I should double down.
That's exactly what i was thinking i could see
why i'm not sure if it is or not now i'm getting different answers
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so maybe it's not okay so it is in that
people who are air quotes around ginger yeah get picked on a lot in the uk for
being ginger in my family which has some irish blood there is nothing better
than red hair like that is something that people want to have my mother her
dyed her hair red in Auburn for a long while.
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And it's just a glorious trait.
So I was thinking that it was like the only way you would get a redheaded stepchild,
but that's a stepchild. So I don't know.
Let's just not, we'll research this and get back to everyone later.
So we'll figure it out. We'll find an apology about redheaded stepchildren.
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This will be my mission this week to find that. And that'll be our next episode.
And then we can We could talk about the genetics and commingling of gingers
and brunettes. And non-gingers.
Okay. So do you want to talk about the apology?
I mean, the short answer is yes, but also it just is such a non-apology.
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And AOC did such a great job talking about the apology that anything I said
would just simply be any analysis I have would not be the analysis she did.
Well, I think I'm just as good as AOC.
So I'm going to analyze the apology. Good, please.
So it starts out okay with I rise to apologize, right? You can't go too far wrong with that.
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But then he changes the subject and minimizes the offense by saying he rises
to apologize for the abrupt manner of the conversation, which is not what was in question.
Furthermore, he claims he didn't do anything wrong, saying that his words were
never spoken to my colleague.
So I didn't say fucking bitch to her. I sent it to the mouse in my pocket.
Right. It was someone else's fault.
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Furthermore words never spoken to my colleague and if
they were construed that way i apologize for my colleagues
misunderstanding so aoc misunderstood that i
was talking to her and not the mouse in my pocket it's all her fault it's all
her fault all that says and then he goes on to refuse to apologize by saying
i cannot apologize and praise jesus and wave the flag for loving my family my
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god and my country and what the hell that has to do with calling afc a fucking
bitch which I have no idea.
Who herself is a Christian and a believer. Is she? Yeah. That's too bad.
Well, no, I mean, we can't all be perfect. We can't all be perfect.
She's pretty close. She's pretty close.
She's pretty close. But yeah, she's gotten death threats. She's been followed.
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She's been harassed. She's gotten bomb threats.
And in a secret Facebook group, the border protection agent circulated Photoshopped
images of her being violently raped, which is horrific. Terrific.
All of those men should have to sit down with their mothers and show them the images.
And explain to their mothers why they thought that was a good idea to do.
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Well, it depends what their mothers are like. I think they should just be fired.
Well, and that, too. And that, too. But then bring the mommies in.
And then bring the mommies and the grandmothers.
The nannas. The nannas. Yeah. So if we rate the apology, which we're now going
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to do, so from 1 to 10, with 1 being the crappiest,
lamest apology of all time, and 10 being perfect, how would you rate this apology?
I mean, I'm going to give it the lowest score. And if one is the real limit,
then let's call it a two because maybe there'll be another apology.
This is the worst apology I've heard.
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Yeah. And I rank it right up there with Bill Clinton's apology to Monica Lewinsky.
Yeah, that was pretty bad. Yeah.
Yeah, I gave it a one because he uses the word apologize. So So that's the reason it gets a one.
Well, then maybe it should get a two because one is the lowest.
But that's all because he lies, he deflects, he blames other people,
and he panders. And I hate pandering.
Oh, absolutely. It's a complete non-apology. And this was my thing, right?
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It's sort of like, why did this happen?
The guy's leaving office. It's his last year, right?
So he doesn't need to, I don't know, to get approval from his district because
he's not going to run again, right?
So there's no political points in his district to be scored for confronting AOC.
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He doesn't know the press is around, or he claims he doesn't know that the press is around.
And at this point, now that I'm mentioning the press, I have to jam in here
that The Hill, which is the online newspaper that reported this incident,
was founded in 1994 by a guy named Jerry Finkelstein. Huh. Yeah.
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And I just love that I get to say Finkelstein because that is the best last
name I've ever heard. I went to grade school with a Finkelstein.
Stinnerstein. Stan. Okay. Not related. I got real excited.
I was like, you've got to find him now. Yeah. I wonder what he's doing.
And so, well, he didn't found the hill, apparently. Yeah. So I get this point. Who cares?
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Also, he's not a Stein. All right. So where was I going with that?
It was so this must be how Yoho actually really feels.
And he did this in front of Roger Williams from Texas.
And I was like, OK, so is this a show for Roger Williams? Why does he confront AOC?
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Right. She never said you, Ted Yoho, are the face of poverty and your face is a crime.
I mean, she didn't say anything about him at all, right? Not in his history
because nothing to do with Florida. Why?
Why he felt empowered to approach a woman and yell in her face, that I get.
Yeah. The rules are set up in his favor. The culture is set up in his favor. Yeah.
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I get all that, right? Who is this show for?
And I'm wondering if, well, he promised never to run for Congress again.
He's only going to serve X number of
terms. But Roger Williams is under what's-his-butt's wing. Oh, God, Rick.
Oh, Jesus Christ. I can't. The Texas governor and secretary of energy for a while.
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I have to Google his name. I don't know.
It is when I say it, you're going to be like, oh, yeah, Rick,
Texas, Rick Perry, Rick Perry.
So I'm wondering if this is Ted Yoho's way of laying groundwork for future.
Oh, we need a secretary of should the next administration be a Republican.
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Right. Right. This was, I think, his way of currying some favor so that people
would remember that Ted Yoho was a real firebrand.
He sure yelled at that AOC. see i think maybe
but i think really he was just pissed off he he just
didn't like what she had to say and thought that she was out of her
out of her lane saying what she said and decided to go up to her and bring her
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down a notch as a woman i just feel like i mean and this is me because maybe
that maybe that is it right maybe maybe that is it he saw a woman he didn't
like what she had to say and decided he was going to let her know.
But it, and maybe that's all there is to the story.
Maybe I'm trying to make it bigger because I can't understand why somebody would do that.
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I mean, if somebody says something to me, sure, I'll say something back, right?
And if somebody has said something about me, sure, I'll go up to that person
and say, I understand we need to have a conversation, right?
But if somebody gave a speech in their district about something.
I mean, yeah, but I guess it's just all based on the person I am.
And so I'm trying to rationalize it as if I'm the person who approached AOC.
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What you know, there's got to be more than just I didn't like what you said.
This makes me look like a superstar to this Roger Williams, who's going to be
in politics for a long while.
Maybe Roger Williams can make me the ambassador of Spain or wherever he might
want to be secretary of something.
But maybe it is just Just that straightforward. He hated AOC's language and didn't like AOC.
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What do they call it? Not two birds with one stone, but it's his peanut butter and his chocolate.
Yeah. Yeah. So. Yeah. Yeah. Just just terrible. I will say that this is not
the only fight in Congress, but it's certainly one that has,
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has found its place in the history books. So I was wondering,
like, well, what other fights have there been in Congress other than that one
that we all remember from history class,
which is the one senator hit the other senator with a cane prior to the Civil War?
I don't remember that. Just before. Yeah.
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And that seems to be the other big one. I mean, there probably are some other things.
There's something about in that same cane wrapping incident,
some other senator had his wig snatched off of his head, which is great,
but only now happens on RuPaul Drag Race, I understand.
I'm sure this sort of thing must happen a lot, but I don't know.
I can't think of any examples. So maybe I'm wrong.
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I mean, let's just say it happens somehow, somewhere on some level,
and maybe just hasn't received this type of attention. Yeah,
because AOC is such a public figure.
Well, and also the nation is so polarized. So maybe not surprising there's some
parallel to pre-Civil War conflict within Congress and now un-Civil War conflict within Congress.
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I mean, I don't know. But yeah, yeah.
We're going to have to, our next apology is going to have to be not political,
not racist, because they're too down.
It's just like, it's too real. At least Trump's not president anymore.
Or is he? That's right. He did a face swap, I saw.
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They face swapped them out. And Biden's stuttering is Trump learning Biden's
speech patterns because they did a face swap.
And it's really, Trump is really Biden and Biden is really Trump.
And whatever, whatever, you crazy people. You're nuts.
I mean, honestly, it is just beyond. Beyond. It's just beyond.
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And here's I was thinking about this last night when when I was thinking like,
OK, what are sort of my ideas around what's happening in with the Ted Yoho apology? Right.
And and this idea of men confronting, well, confronting, that doesn't feel like
the word to use men verbally assaulting women. Women, right,
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for no reason or for little reason.
And it was like, oh, well, maybe this is just the boomer culture dying and recognizing
that they are dying. And I have to make it big.
There's got to be like, you know, a metaphysical, esoteric.
I remember when we were in high school, we thought when all the old people died,
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it would be great. But no, that didn't happen.
The old people have died. I'm going to say, so far, it's kind of not wrong.
It's the old people have died and it's worse than ever now that now we have new old people,
Oh, yeah, that's true. I'm always really surprised when I hear somebody my age with shitty opinions.
It's like, are you fucking kidding me? You're supposed to be cool.
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Come on, you really fucking care about that issue? People get a little bit of
money and a little bit of something and they want to keep it and they don't
want anyone else to have anything in case it takes it away from them. And it's just stupid.
It's just totally stupid, which is why I, society, I am officially dropping out. You're on your own.
Enjoy. joy, mazel tov. Taking your plants and you're moving to Palm Springs.
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I'm going to grow tomatoes and make bread and get drunk and high all the time, 24-7.
I deserve it now.
I deserved it when I was 20 as well. Yes, especially now.
Yeah. I mean, I just, it is going into not crazy land, but sort of,
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I mean, people take this shit personally.
Ted Yoho took what AOC So you said personally. Yep.
Absolutely. And that's not a professional thing to do. So who's sorry now?
Oh, good question. I do have an apology. All right.
So I was trying to think about any time where I might have gone up to somebody
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and said, blah, blah, blah, in their face and was wrong.
And so my apology goes back to high school, weirdly.
It is not you. I am sorry. Sorry, my behavior towards you has always been impeachable,
impeccable, and another M word that would rhyme and give me an alliteration.
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So it's to Billy Martin, who was the publisher of our school underground newspaper
called The Glass Goblin. Well, he wasn't called that at the time.
No, no. Pardon? I was just going to say, can we call him by his former name
because he was using that name at the time?
I i'm the short answer
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is i don't know the protocols around that and so i
just figured that rather than possibly dead
name somebody i would just i would
just use pronouns and names that are
appropriate and did not what's the word preface this so that we could have an
honest conversation about that aspect of of this as well okay because yes billy
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is openly openly transgendered and now is very happy and situated.
So back in the day.
Billy had a school newspaper that he would like Xerox and staple.
And I think it came out every week, right? Yeah. And Billy was super picked
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on in high school. I mean, it was so bad he had to change schools. Yeah.
And I can remember my mother saying to me once, wow, that child had better,
we shouldn't say that child.
She said, you know, he had better be careful or he'll find himself burned in
effigy at the school one day. and I was like, what's effigy?
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And that's when I learned what an effigy was. But yeah, so anyway,
so what kids in high school would do would be shove notes into Billy's locker.
And a lot of notes were like, you suck and die, the original death threats, right? Pre-email.
And in Billy's newspaper every week, he had a cartoon that was something, I remember all of this,
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something about how the world exploded at the end, But John Lennon was kind
of there to deliver a message of peace before the world exploded.
And it was always about how John Lennon was so great.
Right. So John Lennon was the cartoon character that had something wise and
profound to say. But nobody listened to John Lennon. And then the world exploded.
That was always the end of the cartoon.
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And I got really tired of the world exploding and John Lennon always being right.
Right. And so I put a note in Billy's locker that said, Dear Boobie,
please stop with the cartoon or whatever.
Love, John. Right. And I thought that that was really funny.
And I did it for two reasons. One.
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Didn't love the cartoon so much. Yeah. And two, I wanted to be part of like everybody else.
Just seven and O in the locker. Right. I mean, cause that was the thing.
It was like what all the cool kids were doing. Right.
And so Billy approached me a couple of days later and was like,
Hey, did you put a note in my locker?
And I said, yes. And I apologized. But that, that weakness has stayed with me
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even through today. day.
And it is small grain of shame that I carry forever in my soul.
I feel really horrible about the child that did that. That child grew up to
be me, and I'm already like trying to get some distance here,
but that child over there, not me.
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But yeah, so that's my apology, because I feel And I feel like that's sort of
akin to this as in approaching somebody who didn't do anything to me.
Right. Just expressing their opinions. Right. But I had something that they needed to hear.
Right. I put a note in his locker, too.
But I said how great I thought the zine was and that I thought that they should keep doing it.
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He should keep doing it. And he put a note in my locker back and said,
thank you for your support or something like that.
So that is you are the best person of all time.
You're so much better than I am. No, I just thought they probably could use
some support, I guess. And I thought it was a great scene, so I wasn't lying.
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And then he later became a famous author, and so I'm right.
You were totally right. And that is so lovely. And you never mentioned that
you put a note in his locker.
I was kind of embarrassed that I put a note in somebody's locker to tell them
how great I thought they were. I mean, that's kind of nerdy.
Oh, hi. Here we are.
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But now I'm glad I did. Oh, now I'm glad you did, too, because I've never heard—
So if it comes from me, it comes from you, too.
So you're exonerated.
See how great I am, everybody?
I remember that she used to do cartoons about things that were happening.
He—I'm so sorry. He used to do cartoons— No, that's okay.
I couldn't help it. We're allowed to make mistakes. Okay, good.
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It's about intention. Things that were happening in his life,
and he was dating my friend.
Well, Colin— Pat, yeah. Yeah, he was dating Pat at the time and had a cartoon
about how Pat like was looking at some other girl, some girl in a tube top or something.
And that, you know, it was like, oh, you don't want to be my boyfriend anymore or whatever.
It was like totally high school. It was so funny. But it was I for some reason that stuck with me.
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I don't know why, because probably
because it seems like Pat is the least likely person to be like that.
To be a hound dog or whatever. Yeah.
Yeah. So I heard from Pat not long ago, and he seems to be doing pretty well.
You shut up. When we're off the air, you're telling me everything. Okay.
Yeah. Because, oh, I didn't mean you shut up. Like, now I'll stop.
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Okay, I've shut up. I meant more like, shut the front door. Gosh,
I'm so surprised. Gee willikers.
But I don't have an apology except to say that. Of course not.
I've done nothing wrong. You've done nothing wrong. I'll give you. I'm perfect.
I apologize I didn't put two notes of support in the locker.
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Two notes of support. I do have kind of apology I would like.
It's work-related, though, and I don't know how interesting it would be,
except the project that I'm on right now, we've already spent 38 hours,
and I counted, doing requirements gathering for this project.
And now they've hired a new person to come in on the business side,
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and that person wants to reexamine all the requirements, which is going to—to
do 38 hours of requirements gathering and analysis is going to take us three
weeks because you can't just do it all at once.
And you've got to find times around people's schedule and things like that.
So it took us three weeks the first time. It's going to take us three weeks the second time.
So our project is probably now going to be three weeks late,
which is pissing me off because it doesn't have to happen that way.
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But at least you can point to why. Huh?
At least you can point to why. Oh, yeah. I can point to the person.
And it's a specific work-related reason. Yeah. Right. Her. Exactly. That person.
So I'd like an apology from that person, but that's never going to happen.
For being hired? For being hired.
Yeah, for being hired and for wanting to go over all the requirements again.
She should just assume that they were done perfectly the first time. I mean, duh.
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So, yeah, that's my apology. Well, that apology will be forthcoming in about three weeks' time.
Yeah, when the project is late. Right.
Okay. All right. So do we know what we're going to do next week?
Speaking of late, everybody. Do we want to do something happy and cheerful next week?
We want to do something so stupid next week and completely cotton candy for
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the apology-minded. All right.
Awesome. Don't know what it'll be. We'll find out next week.
Thanks, everybody, for joining us. Thank you, everybody. We'll see you next week.
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look at some of the big issues in history by examining public apologies of the famous and infamous.
We're looking at politicians, serial killers, actors, and you.
Send us a public apology you would like to make, and we'll read it on the air
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Hey, everybody. I am still not Juliet. And I am not Theo again.
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And this is Apologies Accepted, right? The podcast. Did I get the name right? I did.
Who knows what I'm going to come out with one of these days.
Same. How are you, Theo? It's so good to see you and your plants in the background. I am so great.
Yes. We have winter weather in Austin and nobody knows what to do. It is snowpocalypse.
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It has not snowed yet, but it will. This will be the second time ever since
I've lived here 11 years that it snowed twice.
Maybe it snows for an hour or two every five years. and it's pretty.
It lays on the ground for 15 minutes and it goes away. So everybody is tucked inside and afraid.
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If it's going to be 20 degrees or whatever, it's going to stay on the ground
longer than that, don't you think? I don't know a lot about snow.
That's true. You lived in North Carolina and then California and now Texas.
So you're not the snow expert.
Well, we'll find out next week. It'll be exciting. I'm glad you brought your
plants inside because they're really nice looking plants and they deserve to be treated well.
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Which makes it look like I care a lot about plants and I'm some sort of a plant
person, and I am totally not.
I just buy plants that are hard to kill. I think maybe you are.
No, no. It turns out that baby olive trees are just really hardy.
Wow. I believe they outlawed olive trees in Arizona because they give people such bad allergies.
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I am just a rebel. I see. Of course. The minute they outlawed olive trees,
I went out and I bought some. And you bought some.
So what are we talking about today we're talking about ted yo yo ho yo ho ho
and a bottle of rum and that's not the only joke i wrote for this episode boy i'm glad.
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So sorry everybody apologies in advance yeah apologies in advance so okay so let's get into to it.
So here is how I imagine this went down. Right.
OK, so right. So Ted Yoho and AOC and the the encounter that they had. Yes.
Yes. So in July 2020, our friend Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was
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walking gracefully up the steps of the Capitol, dressed to fucking kill,
thinking about an upcoming vote when now former Representative Ted Yoho of Florida
slimed up to her on the steps, leaned over her elegant five-foot-four frame,
shoved his finger in her face, and started screech-whining at her about how
poor people are less than human and her ideas about treating them with respect are ridiculous.
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Ocasio-Cortez looked him up and down, calmly said, rude,
and continued up the steps and into the building, while Yoho,
now joined by Representative Roger Williams, a Republican from Texas,
who had joined Yoho and had started screaming at that Ocasio-Cortez,
about throwing urine for some reason,
walked down a few steps before Yoho mindlessly uttered, fucking bitch.
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Or he said bullshit. He denied calling her a bitch. He says he muttered the word bullshit.
And this is something I played during a game I played when all of this happened, right?
Did you play this game where you say the word bullshit and see if it sounds
like fucking bitch? Yeah, it doesn't.
It doesn't. And then I was like, if I'm on a stairway and maybe I'm 10 feet
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away and the wind's blowing,
could it still, you know, does bullshit turn into the tender caressings of fucking bitch?
I mean, what does it even matter if he said that she's a fucking bitch or called all her ideas bullshit.
It's kind of all rude, in my opinion.
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I mean, honestly, it's all ridiculous.
There are ways in which we work through our differences with people. Right.
And calling somebody names isn't what we're supposed to do.
And in a professional environment, we don't call people's ideas bullshit.
Only on podcast are you allowed to do this. That's right. Right.
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If I did this in my job, I would be fired so fast.
People get fired for this. People do. And he should have been probably.
But anyway, so the next day, our dear friend AOC told Yahoo News,
Yoho comes up to me and puts his finger in my face and flies off in a rage.
He started going off about shootings and bread and nonsense,
calling me crazy, shameful, out of my mind, etc.
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At first, I tried to talk to him, but that just made him yell over me more.
I said he was being rude and this was unbelievable and started to walk away.
He said, I'm rude. You're calling me rude. And I just kept walking to my vote.
So she then said that she confronted him later that day about what he did.
And she said he doubled down, yelling at me again for a second time later in the afternoon.
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So it was unpleasant all the way around. The guy that was there,
Roger Williams from Texas, said that he hadn't heard the discussion.
But in a tweet the following morning, I think, AOC accused him of having blatantly lied.
You were yelling at me, too, she wrote, about throwing urine.
I don't get the throwing urine thing. I never quite got to the bottom of where
the urine was allegedly was thrown.
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What? But it's yeah, it's something that she's reported and she didn't go into great detail.
It was just mentioned in a tweet. I couldn't find anything on it either.
And I don't know any expressions that are like, yeah, you're so bad.
I'm just going to throw urine out the window. Right, right.
I don't know. No, you're a pile of urine. Yeah, I'm so mad.
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I'm going to throw urine at you. I'm so mad. I'm just going to pee.
Maybe what he meant, maybe what he said, this is where she actually misheard
something. Shame on her.
You're in trouble. You're in trouble. You're in trouble.
So, AOC told The Hill that she never had that kind of confrontation ever.
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I've never had that kind of abrupt, disgusting kind of disrespect levied at me.
In all these intense news cycles, I have never, ever been treated that way by
another member before. I'm frankly quite taken aback.
So why was Yoho mad? Who is Ted Yoho for you?
So Ted Yoho, not a lot out there on him prior to really, really until he entered
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Congress. There's just not a lot there.
So he, in my opinion, is the embodiment of all American 1950s white culture.
He was born in Minneapolis, Minnesota on April 13th, 1955, which makes him an
Aries. That might explain some of this.
Aren't you an Aries? Yeah, yeah.
But I'm an early Aries. He's a later Aries. You're more like Pisces.
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The sweeter fruit of the Aries vine. The good side, yeah. Yeah, totally.
And so at the age of 11, he moved to Florida. And in elementary school,
he met his second wife, Carolyn, in the fourth grade.
They were married 19 years later. They were married at the age of 19.
Wait, he met his second wife, Carolyn, in the fourth grade?
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He met his first, did I say his second wife? Yes.
Lady, his first wife. His first wife, Isabel, died tragically on the playground in the third grade.
That's the real shame. Nobody tells you about the horrors of elementary. I mean, the horrors.
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Just to be clear, that was horrors of elementary school.
Oh, God. Anyway, back to Ted Yoho.
No, so Ted Yoho met his first and only wife, Carolyn, when they were both in
the fourth grade at appropriate age to be in the fourth grade.
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He wasn't the substitute teacher.
This went off the rails real quick. It's all right. It's fun.
But that's, yeah. Okay. So, so.
So he met his wife while they were children. They were childhood sweethearts,
and they got married early at the age of 19.
He went to community college, and then he climbed up the educational ladder.
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He went to the University of Florida.
Then he went to the University of Florida of Veterinary Medicine,
and then he got his doctorate.
His doctorate? He got a doctorate, or did he get a DVD or whatever it is? A VD.
Veterinary doctor. Okay. is a wedding guy. Great. All right.
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And I looked that up. That's a certified.
They're not all. He's the VD. Okay.
Let's see. So he is a member of the American Veterinary Medical Association
because he would have to be.
Florida Veterinary Medical Association, Florida Association,
and I'm sorry to inform you of Equine Practitioners. I know how much you love Of horses.
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Oh. Yeah. And the Florida Cattlemen's Association and, no surprise,
the National Rifle Association.
So he's essentially the generic white guy, but even worse, the idealized version
of the generic 1950s white guy.
So childhood sweethearts, got married, still married, a lot of kids.
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Great. Worked his way up to being a veterinarian. Worked his way up.
Yeah. Became a doctor. her. Vets are amazing.
She's not my friend, but I want my vet to be my friend. So I'm getting a dog
just so I can see Dr. Heidi again. I love you, Dr. Heidi.
But not in a romantic way. No. Okay. Let's see.
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Okay. So given that he's this 1950s generic white guy, what are his politics? So let's see.
He's a Tea Party Republican already. The stuff just starts to right itself.
He defeated old term, old Republican, a guy named Cliff Stearns,
who was first elected to office in 1988 and was running again in 2012.
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Yeho won by just 1%. And yeah, and it's a ruby red district.
So no surprise, he beat the Democrat by 65 to 32.
And then, and let's see, in 2013, he supported a birther investigation into
Obama's birth certificate. Remember all that?
Right. Yeah. And he also thought that attacks on tanning beds was racist against white people.
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Because brown people don't use them. So the only people who would be paying
this tax would be the white people who are trying to be brown. That's crazy.
Well, yeah, that is a little. He's got a couple of things out there.
He's got a lot of things that are crazy.
But even even in the world of crazy, like that's just a stupid idea. But whatever.
So obviously he's pro gun. He's a gun owner. He supports concealed carry laws
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and he carries a gun with him at all times when he's at home in Florida.
So don't approach him. See, he's compared having a gun to having a cell phone.
And he says, I have the right to protect myself. And I feel like I have a very
good aim. My wife is better.
And that statement right there to me, that's just somebody who's afraid.
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I'm letting you all know I've got a gun. And if you come after my wife,
she'll shoot you, too. So these are people who definitely should have guns.
Let's see. And he's all for guns at the Capitol, probably even still,
even after the insurrection.
I read that he voted against making lynching a federal hate crime.
That was my big surprise for you, but I see that you know Wikipedia too.
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I was like, lynching is a federal hate crime. I mean, hi, what?
Hello? Okay. If that's not a federal hate crime, what is?
I was very surprised. So you can always find and common ground with somebody.
And in these stories, I do like to, not that I like to, but I do put myself
in the villain's shoes. Yeah. Right?
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And so there's always common ground. Drugs! He's all for drugs.
States determining their own laws around marijuana.
And I couldn't be more surprised.
And he supports the medical use. So he's not all bad, except mostly bad.
He supported Texas versus Pennsylvania. And that bullshit thing about Trump,
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of course, you know, won the presidential election and he is still presidenting just from Florida.
And I would say the only thing that seems honorable about him that I can point
to would be he said that he would only run for four terms and he stuck by that
promise. You mean two terms?
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Oh, somehow in here I have four terms, but I also said Carolyn was a second
wife and she's his first. So let's just say instead of the number of terms,
Juliette, what's most important is that I'm right somehow.
I know he, yeah, he joined in 2013 and now he's retired.
So however many terms that comes out to, it's two years for 12,
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13, 14, 17, 18, 19. I guess it was four.
Yeah. Okay. See? You're right.
I know. I know.
I didn't question my rightness at all. And he's also anti-choice, not surprisingly.
Oh, well, I mean, come on. Yeah, of course. I'm sure he has a picture of a fetus
on a T-shirt somewhere in his house.
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And he was replaced by his chief of staff, his former chief of staff.
So she is now the rep for District 3.
And then, yes. And so there's not too much about him.
I was looking for anything, like, did he have an affair? Couldn't find anything.
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I thought maybe for a while, oh, maybe he's like super Christian and he's Christian,
but he's not one of those Avenue C guys.
So let's see. So we've talked about the AOC encounter because unfortunately
for Ted Yoho, this is the most interesting thing that's happened to him in his
career. Yeah, definitely.
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The only instance of Ted Yoho fighting with anybody I could find was the AOC encounter.
Yeah. Weirdly, he's never called a man disgusting. Well, that's crazy.
Or it's never been reported. Who would believe that?
Well, I mean, that's... Targeting a woman? I don't get it. That's where I don't know, right?
It's like, maybe he did confront, I don't know, name a liberal.
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Maybe he did confront Bernie Sanders and said, you're disgusting.
And Bernie Sanders was like, meh. And it didn't get reported.
I have some stuff on that later, but yeah. Oh, good. Good. Okay. Cause I need that.
Okay. So he was, he was obviously not going to be AOC's biggest fan, right?
Clearly. Yeah. And he was mad about some statements that she made during a virtual
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town hall in early July about a recent spike in crime in New York City.
Exactly. And she had argued that unemployment and poverty were partly to blame
for the spike in crime and that more policing was not the answer,
which Fox News and all the other conservative news outlets took to mean that
she was making excuses for violent crime.
Of course they would. She said.
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Stimulus checks and unemployment payments has helped trigger the crime spike.
So she said they're in a position where they feel like they either need to shoplift
some bread or go hungry that night.
Which is the eternal question of LaMiz.
And these guys have clearly never been to a Broadway show, right?
Because without Jean Valjean stealing a loaf of bread, we have no Anne Hathaway in that movie.
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Right. What a tragedy that would be. And so in that typical way that Fox News
pundits have of taking any event and twisting it in just such a way as to fit a narrative,
Mike Huckabee said, there's a big difference between shoplifting and cold-blooded murder.
And for her not to know the difference is frankly astonishing,
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which wasn't even the fucking thing. Right.
She didn't even mention that. It wasn't even a part of the conversation.
Of course, she had to put it in there to make it sound like she's ridiculous,
because that's the attempt. That's the story.
That's the story. She's ridiculous. She's crazy. She's nuts.
So, have you seen Cabaret? Yeah.
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Trick question? With Liza Minnelli? Yes. With Liza Minnelli.
Well, is there another Cabaret? Yeah, there's the other one that I really want
to see, but I don't think there's a recording of it.
There wouldn't be. There's not. There's only one, and it's that one.
I think the other one's probably pretty good, too.
But I watched about two thirds of it. And then I thought, well, OK.
And that was that was that was my experience with Cabaret.
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You know, I just don't like Liza Minnelli. I'm probably either. OK, good.
Yeah. I mean, they don't hate her. They don't want to hate. Well,
I mean, there are people that I, actors that I just like the idea of them I
hate, right? Yeah. And now I can't think of one.
But yeah, so I'll say this about Liza Minnelli.
I had a, God, I'm sure this professor will never hear this podcast or this episode.
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So I had this really dumb class called Hollywood and something.
And part of it was we had to watch a bunch of movies.
And one of those movies we had to
watch was a star is born and i was
like oh god liza minnelli jesus christ please oh
the original oh there
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was one before oh okay oh yeah oh jesus christ we tried to watch that barbara
streisand one and it i was like oh my god that barbara streisand one She doesn't have a job.
Nobody's looking for her. She just meets this guy who's, or he discovers her
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or whatever. Like the Barbra Streisand one was a train wreck.
Oh, okay. It made no sense. Okay.
It was super popular when it came out. The Lady Gaga one was good.
Well, I didn't Barbra Streisand. Right, right, right, right.
Disco. She could read a phone book and people would pay to go see it.
People would pay for it. Yeah.
So anyway, the whole point of this was that I went into the original Star is
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Born thinking it was going to suck.
Yeah. And, oh, my fucking God, Liza Minnelli was like, I was floored.
Yeah. I still don't love her.
Right. But talented, totally. Huh.
Maybe I'll watch it. Not in a Mel Gibson kind of way where he's talented,
but racist. It's more that. Is she racist?
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Well, I mean, she's 1950s. Well, I suppose everyone's racist.
But did she come out saying, you know, the Jews were.
Okay here's where we take the fox news template and
we start twisting things to fit narratives that we want liza bedelli was an
incurable racist god oh we're in so much trouble now carried a brick with her
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at all times okay let's move on,
So the next bit that I.
Someone asked Yoho whether he would be apologizing for his outburst and for
calling AOC a fucking bitch.
And Yoho lied. I can't apologize because I didn't say that.
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However, several congressmen actually stood up and strongly condemned Yoho demanding
an apology on AOC's behalf, have, including House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer,
whose name I love, Steny, who stated Mr.
Yoho owes not only the Congresswoman an apology, but an apology on the floor of the House.
And Minnesota's Dean Phillips tweeted, like AOC, I believe poverty to be a root cause of crime.
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Wonder why Representative Yoho hasn't accosted me on the Capitol steps with
the same sentiment. Shameful.
And Arizona's Ruben Gallego wrote, I have suggested the same thing that AOC
has. Poverty and unemployment lead to crime.
Weird. Neither Yoho or any other member has ever talked to me that way.
So after the men asked, Yoho did stand up in the House and say,
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I rise to apologize for the abrupt manner of the conversation I had with my
colleague from New York.
It is true that we disagree on policies and visions for America,
but that does not mean we should be disrespectful, said Yoho,
adding, having been married for 45 years with two daughters,
I'm very cognizant of my language. What the fuck?
The offensive name-calling words attributed to me by the press were never spoken
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to my colleague, and if they were construed that way, I apologize for their misunderstanding.
Yoho continued, continued as my colleagues know i'm passionate
about those affected by policy and here's the funny
part my wife carolyn and i started out together at the
age of 19 with nothing we did odd jobs and we
were on food stamps i know the face of poverty and
for a time it was mine i just can't
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get over that anyway this is why i know people in this country can
still with all its faults rise up and succeed and not be encouraged
to break the law i will commit to each of you that i will conduct
myself from a place of passion and understanding that policy and political disagreement
be vigorously debated with the knowledge that we approach the problems facing
our nation with the betterment of the country in mind and the people we serve
i cannot apologize for my passion or for loving my god my family and my country
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da da da fuck off seriously.
I mean nobody first i know we're not at the point yet where we're at the apology
analysis yeah but But nothing in that addresses the issue at all.
Nope. Nobody said shit about your God.
Nope. Nobody said anything about your wife. Nope. Didn't come up, right?
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Nope. And all this did was give Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez a great opportunity
to publicly address this non-apology and the situation.
Yep. And her takedown, her analysis was so good, so moving, and exactly on point.
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You know, she didn't she didn't take it to places it didn't need to go. Yeah.
Whereas I agree with her, her statement that he is using his wife and daughters
as a shield. Look, I've got kids.
I'm so nice. Yeah. Right.
Yeah. She said so. She said, I never spoke to a representative Yoho before he
decided to accost me on the steps of the nation's capital yesterday.
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Believe it or not, I usually get along fine with my GOP colleagues.
We know how to check our legislative sparring at the committee door.
But hey, bitches get stuff done. And then to underscore the point,
she posted a video of herself in front of the Dome of the Capitol building set
to Doja Cat's boss bitch, which was good.
I'm just going to say everybody should have gotten the memo by now.
Don't fuck with AOC. I know. Totally.
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Yeah. And for his apology, she quickly tweeted after his floor speech that it wasn't an apology.
Republican response to calling a colleague disgusting and a fucking bitch was
I cannot apologize for my passion and blaming others, she wrote.
Wrote, I will not teach my nieces and young people watching that this is an
apology and what they should learn to accept. Yoho is refusing responsibility.
She further tweeted that Yoho does not apologize or name any action he did,
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does not accept responsibility, lies.
This was not a conversation. It was verbal assault. Says everyone else is wrong
and the incident never happened.
Mr. Yoho mentioned that he has a wife and two daughters. I am someone's daughter
too. My father, thankfully, is not alive to see how Mr. Yoho treated his daughter.
My mother got to go got to see Mr. Yoho's disrespect on the floor of this house
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towards me on television.
And I am here because I have to show my parents that I am their daughter and
they did not raise me to accept abuse from men.
I mean, it's beautiful again.
It's just it is it's a perfectly crafted rebuttal.
And, you know, I mean, at the same time, it's also what am I trying to say?
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Like, I don't want to say it feels of course, I'm going to support AOC.
Right. So I want to keep in mind
that, like, it's very easy to pile on Ted Yoho for being a moron. Yeah.
And not that I don't want to do that. I just want I want listeners to be aware
that I'm very well aware that I have a bias.
And so I might not be looking at the situation fairly.
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I mean, does poor Ted Yoho have a point?
I love you. Nobody can see the look on your face. And the look on your face
is so like, why are you talking about why the earth is flat and there's no gravity?
I mean, no, he doesn't have a point.
Okay, good. We just, we need to raise that, right?
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So that we're not accused of being so terribly one-sided.
Yeah but i mean this is an easy it's an easy it's unfortunate and apparently it's a very common,
scenario oh yeah one that i'm not qualified to to speak on i mean you'd be hard-pressed
to find a woman anywhere who had not been called a fucking bitch for something as simple as existing,
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like if you sit there and you have the wrong expression on your face you might
be called a fucking bitch.
So it totally happens all the time. Women are constantly accosted by men who
think they should be doing something other than whatever it is they're doing.
So it happens a lot on Twitter, I think. And when I had a feminist magazine,
it happened a lot in email.
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I got a lot of death threats and stuff like that. Oh, you never told me that.
Well, I just thought it was stupid. I mean, and this is totally my response
to the death threats that I got. I got tons of death threats every day.
Email, you know, but to me, it's just, oh, this is the email.
These people don't know me.
They're mostly anonymous. They're not going to kill me. I'm just going to shove
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all these emails right into the trash. And that worked for me.
Now, but a lot of people who get death threats on Twitter take them very seriously.
And it may be because the times have changed. I mean, that was 20 years ago.
Times have changed. It's very easy to find out who somebody is now.
Now, it seems like it should be impossible, but if somebody wanted to invest
the time, they could ease, I shouldn't say easily because I don't,
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I don't really know, but you're right.
It's easier. It was pretty easy back then too. I mean, it was,
you could, if you looked up my domain name, it would, it had my address.
So it was easy to find out who I was, but you know, but whatever,
you know, what works for one person doesn't always work for someone else.
So I don't blame any women for being afraid when they get death threats. It's frightening.
Yeah. I've never gotten a death threat. And of all people on the planet?
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I mean, yeah, I've had people say, I'm going to fucking kill you.
Yeah. But it's usually followed by a hug. Oh.
I'm going to fucking kill you with love.
No, I've never had a death threat. Never, ever, ever. Have you become a fucking bitch?
I mean, undeservedly? No.
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For having the wrong expression on my face? No, no.
Uh, no. So I just have to say that, you know, it's, I, I, I'm, I'm tired of it.
I'm tired of the whole topic of, you know, harassment against women just because
it's so constant and it's everywhere.
And I don't have a whole lot to add to what other people have more smartly said
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than me, but yeah, it happens all the time.
So, and then, and it seems like Ted Yoho is just not a nice man.
Cause when she went up to him like the next day or something and said, if you do that
to me again i won't be so nice next time and he said oh boohoo well it's like
what is he 12 i mean he's very 12 how did he end up with these babies like in
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congress these men who are other babies elected them i mean i don't know if
you've been to florida's third district.
I hear bad things about florida it's a shame i lived there for five years it's
not my choice I was a child. Such a beautiful state.
It was great. I loved it. Florida was amazing.
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And Florida gets picked on unfairly a lot because they have the sunshine law
where every crime is public record or something.
So it's really easy for media to go in and like, we're crazy.
And there is that website, you know, afloradaman.com or floridawoman.com.
It just tells you all the crazy Florida stuff.
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And yeah, the crazy stuff happens everywhere. So Florida, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry. I know you get picked on a lot.
You are the redheaded stepchild in America. And I am sorry to the redheaded
stepchildren in America.
That's like a racist saying. Did you know that?
To look on my face right now as one of glee, because good.
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You're gleeful because you said something racist? About redheaded stepchildren? Totally.
Everyone hates them. I'm sorry. Oh, God, this is terrible. I'm going to go straight to hell.
Well, you are going straight to hell. So you're right. I should double down.
That's exactly what i was thinking i could see
why i'm not sure if it is or not now i'm getting different answers
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so maybe it's not okay so it is in that
people who are air quotes around ginger yeah get picked on a lot in the uk for
being ginger in my family which has some irish blood there is nothing better
than red hair like that is something that people want to have my mother her
dyed her hair red in Auburn for a long while.
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And it's just a glorious trait.
So I was thinking that it was like the only way you would get a redheaded stepchild,
but that's a stepchild. So I don't know.
Let's just not, we'll research this and get back to everyone later.
So we'll figure it out. We'll find an apology about redheaded stepchildren.
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This will be my mission this week to find that. And that'll be our next episode.
And then we can We could talk about the genetics and commingling of gingers
and brunettes. And non-gingers.
Okay. So do you want to talk about the apology?
I mean, the short answer is yes, but also it just is such a non-apology.
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And AOC did such a great job talking about the apology that anything I said
would just simply be any analysis I have would not be the analysis she did.
Well, I think I'm just as good as AOC.
So I'm going to analyze the apology. Good, please.
So it starts out okay with I rise to apologize, right? You can't go too far wrong with that.
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But then he changes the subject and minimizes the offense by saying he rises
to apologize for the abrupt manner of the conversation, which is not what was in question.
Furthermore, he claims he didn't do anything wrong, saying that his words were
never spoken to my colleague.
So I didn't say fucking bitch to her. I sent it to the mouse in my pocket.
Right. It was someone else's fault.
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Furthermore words never spoken to my colleague and if
they were construed that way i apologize for my colleagues
misunderstanding so aoc misunderstood that i
was talking to her and not the mouse in my pocket it's all her fault it's all
her fault all that says and then he goes on to refuse to apologize by saying
i cannot apologize and praise jesus and wave the flag for loving my family my
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god and my country and what the hell that has to do with calling afc a fucking
bitch which I have no idea.
Who herself is a Christian and a believer. Is she? Yeah. That's too bad.
Well, no, I mean, we can't all be perfect. We can't all be perfect.
She's pretty close. She's pretty close.
She's pretty close. But yeah, she's gotten death threats. She's been followed.
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She's been harassed. She's gotten bomb threats.
And in a secret Facebook group, the border protection agent circulated Photoshopped
images of her being violently raped, which is horrific. Terrific.
All of those men should have to sit down with their mothers and show them the images.
And explain to their mothers why they thought that was a good idea to do.
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Well, it depends what their mothers are like. I think they should just be fired.
Well, and that, too. And that, too. But then bring the mommies in.
And then bring the mommies and the grandmothers.
The nannas. The nannas. Yeah. So if we rate the apology, which we're now going
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to do, so from 1 to 10, with 1 being the crappiest,
lamest apology of all time, and 10 being perfect, how would you rate this apology?
I mean, I'm going to give it the lowest score. And if one is the real limit,
then let's call it a two because maybe there'll be another apology.
This is the worst apology I've heard.
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Yeah. And I rank it right up there with Bill Clinton's apology to Monica Lewinsky.
Yeah, that was pretty bad. Yeah.
Yeah, I gave it a one because he uses the word apologize. So So that's the reason it gets a one.
Well, then maybe it should get a two because one is the lowest.
But that's all because he lies, he deflects, he blames other people,
and he panders. And I hate pandering.
Oh, absolutely. It's a complete non-apology. And this was my thing, right?
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It's sort of like, why did this happen?
The guy's leaving office. It's his last year, right?
So he doesn't need to, I don't know, to get approval from his district because
he's not going to run again, right?
So there's no political points in his district to be scored for confronting AOC.
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He doesn't know the press is around, or he claims he doesn't know that the press is around.
And at this point, now that I'm mentioning the press, I have to jam in here
that The Hill, which is the online newspaper that reported this incident,
was founded in 1994 by a guy named Jerry Finkelstein. Huh. Yeah.
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And I just love that I get to say Finkelstein because that is the best last
name I've ever heard. I went to grade school with a Finkelstein.
Stinnerstein. Stan. Okay. Not related. I got real excited.
I was like, you've got to find him now. Yeah. I wonder what he's doing.
And so, well, he didn't found the hill, apparently. Yeah. So I get this point. Who cares?
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Also, he's not a Stein. All right. So where was I going with that?
It was so this must be how Yoho actually really feels.
And he did this in front of Roger Williams from Texas.
And I was like, OK, so is this a show for Roger Williams? Why does he confront AOC?
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Right. She never said you, Ted Yoho, are the face of poverty and your face is a crime.
I mean, she didn't say anything about him at all, right? Not in his history
because nothing to do with Florida. Why?
Why he felt empowered to approach a woman and yell in her face, that I get.
Yeah. The rules are set up in his favor. The culture is set up in his favor. Yeah.
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I get all that, right? Who is this show for?
And I'm wondering if, well, he promised never to run for Congress again.
He's only going to serve X number of
terms. But Roger Williams is under what's-his-butt's wing. Oh, God, Rick.
Oh, Jesus Christ. I can't. The Texas governor and secretary of energy for a while.
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I have to Google his name. I don't know.
It is when I say it, you're going to be like, oh, yeah, Rick,
Texas, Rick Perry, Rick Perry.
So I'm wondering if this is Ted Yoho's way of laying groundwork for future.
Oh, we need a secretary of should the next administration be a Republican.
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Right. Right. This was, I think, his way of currying some favor so that people
would remember that Ted Yoho was a real firebrand.
He sure yelled at that AOC. see i think maybe
but i think really he was just pissed off he he just
didn't like what she had to say and thought that she was out of her
out of her lane saying what she said and decided to go up to her and bring her
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down a notch as a woman i just feel like i mean and this is me because maybe
that maybe that is it right maybe maybe that is it he saw a woman he didn't
like what she had to say and decided he was going to let her know.
But it, and maybe that's all there is to the story.
Maybe I'm trying to make it bigger because I can't understand why somebody would do that.
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I mean, if somebody says something to me, sure, I'll say something back, right?
And if somebody has said something about me, sure, I'll go up to that person
and say, I understand we need to have a conversation, right?
But if somebody gave a speech in their district about something.
I mean, yeah, but I guess it's just all based on the person I am.
And so I'm trying to rationalize it as if I'm the person who approached AOC.
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What you know, there's got to be more than just I didn't like what you said.
This makes me look like a superstar to this Roger Williams, who's going to be
in politics for a long while.
Maybe Roger Williams can make me the ambassador of Spain or wherever he might
want to be secretary of something.
But maybe it is just Just that straightforward. He hated AOC's language and didn't like AOC.
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What do they call it? Not two birds with one stone, but it's his peanut butter and his chocolate.
Yeah. Yeah. So. Yeah. Yeah. Just just terrible. I will say that this is not
the only fight in Congress, but it's certainly one that has,
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has found its place in the history books. So I was wondering,
like, well, what other fights have there been in Congress other than that one
that we all remember from history class,
which is the one senator hit the other senator with a cane prior to the Civil War?
I don't remember that. Just before. Yeah.
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And that seems to be the other big one. I mean, there probably are some other things.
There's something about in that same cane wrapping incident,
some other senator had his wig snatched off of his head, which is great,
but only now happens on RuPaul Drag Race, I understand.
I'm sure this sort of thing must happen a lot, but I don't know.
I can't think of any examples. So maybe I'm wrong.
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I mean, let's just say it happens somehow, somewhere on some level,
and maybe just hasn't received this type of attention. Yeah,
because AOC is such a public figure.
Well, and also the nation is so polarized. So maybe not surprising there's some
parallel to pre-Civil War conflict within Congress and now un-Civil War conflict within Congress.
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I mean, I don't know. But yeah, yeah.
We're going to have to, our next apology is going to have to be not political,
not racist, because they're too down.
It's just like, it's too real. At least Trump's not president anymore.
Or is he? That's right. He did a face swap, I saw.
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They face swapped them out. And Biden's stuttering is Trump learning Biden's
speech patterns because they did a face swap.
And it's really, Trump is really Biden and Biden is really Trump.
And whatever, whatever, you crazy people. You're nuts.
I mean, honestly, it is just beyond. Beyond. It's just beyond.
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And here's I was thinking about this last night when when I was thinking like,
OK, what are sort of my ideas around what's happening in with the Ted Yoho apology? Right.
And and this idea of men confronting, well, confronting, that doesn't feel like
the word to use men verbally assaulting women. Women, right,
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for no reason or for little reason.
And it was like, oh, well, maybe this is just the boomer culture dying and recognizing
that they are dying. And I have to make it big.
There's got to be like, you know, a metaphysical, esoteric.
I remember when we were in high school, we thought when all the old people died,
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it would be great. But no, that didn't happen.
The old people have died. I'm going to say, so far, it's kind of not wrong.
It's the old people have died and it's worse than ever now that now we have new old people,
Oh, yeah, that's true. I'm always really surprised when I hear somebody my age with shitty opinions.
It's like, are you fucking kidding me? You're supposed to be cool.
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Come on, you really fucking care about that issue? People get a little bit of
money and a little bit of something and they want to keep it and they don't
want anyone else to have anything in case it takes it away from them. And it's just stupid.
It's just totally stupid, which is why I, society, I am officially dropping out. You're on your own.
Enjoy. joy, mazel tov. Taking your plants and you're moving to Palm Springs.
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I'm going to grow tomatoes and make bread and get drunk and high all the time, 24-7.
I deserve it now.
I deserved it when I was 20 as well. Yes, especially now.
Yeah. I mean, I just, it is going into not crazy land, but sort of,
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I mean, people take this shit personally.
Ted Yoho took what AOC So you said personally. Yep.
Absolutely. And that's not a professional thing to do. So who's sorry now?
Oh, good question. I do have an apology. All right.
So I was trying to think about any time where I might have gone up to somebody
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and said, blah, blah, blah, in their face and was wrong.
And so my apology goes back to high school, weirdly.
It is not you. I am sorry. Sorry, my behavior towards you has always been impeachable,
impeccable, and another M word that would rhyme and give me an alliteration.
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So it's to Billy Martin, who was the publisher of our school underground newspaper
called The Glass Goblin. Well, he wasn't called that at the time.
No, no. Pardon? I was just going to say, can we call him by his former name
because he was using that name at the time?
I i'm the short answer
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is i don't know the protocols around that and so i
just figured that rather than possibly dead
name somebody i would just i would
just use pronouns and names that are
appropriate and did not what's the word preface this so that we could have an
honest conversation about that aspect of of this as well okay because yes billy
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is openly openly transgendered and now is very happy and situated.
So back in the day.
Billy had a school newspaper that he would like Xerox and staple.
And I think it came out every week, right? Yeah. And Billy was super picked
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on in high school. I mean, it was so bad he had to change schools. Yeah.
And I can remember my mother saying to me once, wow, that child had better,
we shouldn't say that child.
She said, you know, he had better be careful or he'll find himself burned in
effigy at the school one day. and I was like, what's effigy?
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And that's when I learned what an effigy was. But yeah, so anyway,
so what kids in high school would do would be shove notes into Billy's locker.
And a lot of notes were like, you suck and die, the original death threats, right? Pre-email.
And in Billy's newspaper every week, he had a cartoon that was something, I remember all of this,
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something about how the world exploded at the end, But John Lennon was kind
of there to deliver a message of peace before the world exploded.
And it was always about how John Lennon was so great.
Right. So John Lennon was the cartoon character that had something wise and
profound to say. But nobody listened to John Lennon. And then the world exploded.
That was always the end of the cartoon.
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And I got really tired of the world exploding and John Lennon always being right.
Right. And so I put a note in Billy's locker that said, Dear Boobie,
please stop with the cartoon or whatever.
Love, John. Right. And I thought that that was really funny.
And I did it for two reasons. One.
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Didn't love the cartoon so much. Yeah. And two, I wanted to be part of like everybody else.
Just seven and O in the locker. Right. I mean, cause that was the thing.
It was like what all the cool kids were doing. Right.
And so Billy approached me a couple of days later and was like,
Hey, did you put a note in my locker?
And I said, yes. And I apologized. But that, that weakness has stayed with me
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even through today. day.
And it is small grain of shame that I carry forever in my soul.
I feel really horrible about the child that did that. That child grew up to
be me, and I'm already like trying to get some distance here,
but that child over there, not me.
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But yeah, so that's my apology, because I feel And I feel like that's sort of
akin to this as in approaching somebody who didn't do anything to me.
Right. Just expressing their opinions. Right. But I had something that they needed to hear.
Right. I put a note in his locker, too.
But I said how great I thought the zine was and that I thought that they should keep doing it.
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He should keep doing it. And he put a note in my locker back and said,
thank you for your support or something like that.
So that is you are the best person of all time.
You're so much better than I am. No, I just thought they probably could use
some support, I guess. And I thought it was a great scene, so I wasn't lying.
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And then he later became a famous author, and so I'm right.
You were totally right. And that is so lovely. And you never mentioned that
you put a note in his locker.
I was kind of embarrassed that I put a note in somebody's locker to tell them
how great I thought they were. I mean, that's kind of nerdy.
Oh, hi. Here we are.
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But now I'm glad I did. Oh, now I'm glad you did, too, because I've never heard—
So if it comes from me, it comes from you, too.
So you're exonerated.
See how great I am, everybody?
I remember that she used to do cartoons about things that were happening.
He—I'm so sorry. He used to do cartoons— No, that's okay.
I couldn't help it. We're allowed to make mistakes. Okay, good.
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It's about intention. Things that were happening in his life,
and he was dating my friend.
Well, Colin— Pat, yeah. Yeah, he was dating Pat at the time and had a cartoon
about how Pat like was looking at some other girl, some girl in a tube top or something.
And that, you know, it was like, oh, you don't want to be my boyfriend anymore or whatever.
It was like totally high school. It was so funny. But it was I for some reason that stuck with me.
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I don't know why, because probably
because it seems like Pat is the least likely person to be like that.
To be a hound dog or whatever. Yeah.
Yeah. So I heard from Pat not long ago, and he seems to be doing pretty well.
You shut up. When we're off the air, you're telling me everything. Okay.
Yeah. Because, oh, I didn't mean you shut up. Like, now I'll stop.
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Okay, I've shut up. I meant more like, shut the front door. Gosh,
I'm so surprised. Gee willikers.
But I don't have an apology except to say that. Of course not.
I've done nothing wrong. You've done nothing wrong. I'll give you. I'm perfect.
I apologize I didn't put two notes of support in the locker.
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Two notes of support. I do have kind of apology I would like.
It's work-related, though, and I don't know how interesting it would be,
except the project that I'm on right now, we've already spent 38 hours,
and I counted, doing requirements gathering for this project.
And now they've hired a new person to come in on the business side,
(50:21):
and that person wants to reexamine all the requirements, which is going to—to
do 38 hours of requirements gathering and analysis is going to take us three
weeks because you can't just do it all at once.
And you've got to find times around people's schedule and things like that.
So it took us three weeks the first time. It's going to take us three weeks the second time.
So our project is probably now going to be three weeks late,
which is pissing me off because it doesn't have to happen that way.
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But at least you can point to why. Huh?
At least you can point to why. Oh, yeah. I can point to the person.
And it's a specific work-related reason. Yeah. Right. Her. Exactly. That person.
So I'd like an apology from that person, but that's never going to happen.
For being hired? For being hired.
Yeah, for being hired and for wanting to go over all the requirements again.
She should just assume that they were done perfectly the first time. I mean, duh.
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So, yeah, that's my apology. Well, that apology will be forthcoming in about three weeks' time.
Yeah, when the project is late. Right.
Okay. All right. So do we know what we're going to do next week?
Speaking of late, everybody. Do we want to do something happy and cheerful next week?
We want to do something so stupid next week and completely cotton candy for
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the apology-minded. All right.
Awesome. Don't know what it'll be. We'll find out next week.
Thanks, everybody, for joining us. Thank you, everybody. We'll see you next week.
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