November 18, 2024 • 34 mins
Discover the transformative world of bodywork and energy healing with Jody and Dan. They guide us through the nuances of physical alignment and body reading, emphasizing the importance of recognizing imbalances without judgment. From discussing what it is to, "field a body" and subtleties of postural alignment in various postures. Dan will bring you through his process of seeing where the spaces need to be in the body for optimal health. Jody and Dan share their expertise, helping practitioners cultivate a trained eye for supporting optimal body alignment and functional movement.
We discuss the importance of body awareness and the essential role of trust between practitioner and client. Our guests share insights on achieving a healing state similar to a wakeful sleep, where true transformation begins, and the importance of altering daily habits for lasting change. Through this conversation, we shed light on techniques such as craniosacral therapy and Source Point Therapy, unveiling their use of sacred geometry to facilitate healing.
Words have the power to heal, as illustrated by our personal journey with Hugh, a practitioner whose profound presence and verbal insights offered us relief. This episode underscores the significance of self-work for practitioners and the impact of their internal dialogue on client interactions. We offer practical advice for clients on finding the right practitioner and emphasize the importance of patience and multiple sessions to fully appreciate a practitioner's approach. Connect with experts like Bob, Donna, and Hugh through our extensive network, and embrace a holistic approach to well-being with guidance from Jody and Dan.
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
how good morning or good afternoon and welcome back
to become one living where we'reexploring yoga, body work,
energy work, life, emotion,emotion feeling with Jodi
Dahmerstad and Dan Boisitz.
Today I'd like to take theopportunity to sort of give a
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big, broad brushstrokes as thedifference between bodywork and
energy work.
As a practitioner, the approachin bodywork is very nuts and
bolts, very physical In otherwords, I imagine that we're
going to move some tissue,reorganize some tissue, very
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physical.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
And so when we take that approach and we get the
body aligned in that way, we dodiminish pain and there are
certain things you look for inthe body, meaning when you study
what we've studied, there'steachings called body reading
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and you look at certain areas inthe body to see where they're
lining up and where they don'tline up in body work.
Example talus.
That's a bone in your foot,where the lower bones of your
leg sit on, where the lowerbones of your leg sit on, and
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100% of your weight isdistributed through the talus
into your toes and it'sdispersed.
So let's say you would look atthe talus and say, okay, is it
rotating in, is it turned out?
And then you go up to the kneeand this gives you a broad idea
about reading the bodyphysically in body work right,
good, good point, joe.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
So there are essential and we're talking
about, you know, the, the bulkof society, we, we, I always it.
What always comes to mind iscertainly there's congenital
concerns, um, and, and we'rewe're not downplaying those or
or anything like that, but we'rejust saying, talking by and
largely right, the, the ordinaryperson yeah, we're not
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absoluting.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
What we share isn't all or nothing right.
This is a discussion because Iteach functional yoga, which is
body autonomy right, so we'retalking whatever's happening in
your body is what we're honoring.
So we're looking at every dayJoe coming in or Sally, and
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we're not trying to fit bodywork into a cookie cutter.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
But we need a general place to start.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Right, and so the general place to start in terms
of a physical body, if you wantto start from the ground up is
is the talus bone andessentially the second toe
pointing forward and and theknee cap essentially pointing
forward and above the talus, andbalanced in between the second
toe right there and then, as yougo up right above, we'll have
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the most prominent part of thehip bone, the ASIS.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Part of the pelvis.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
The pelvis.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
The two bony parts that stick out above your pubic
symphysis, which is near yourgenitals.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
The bottom of your pelvis the top two bones stick
out, called anterior superioriliac spine.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Right.
And then, as we move upward,we're going to look at the
costal arch, because the costalarch can show whether there's an
overly anterior pelvis, becauseit will flare right a little
bit.
And then we want to look at theshoulders.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Come back.
How can we describe more thecostal arch?
Little bit.
And then we want to look at theshoulders.
What's to come back?
What's?
How can we describe more thecostal arch?
Speaker 1 (04:10):
costal arch.
How can we?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
describe where is it?
Is it t12?
Speaker 1 (04:15):
uh, yes, and and, and it is really just the bony in
in the front body it's, it's the, the bony part that envelops
the belly right.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
So okay, so it's your ribs, part of your ribs, that
come out and flare left rightright so the front part of your
body, those ribs that flare andcover some of your side body and
your front body.
Right, that's the costal arch,right, right, okay, right.
And then we move up and look atthe arm bones or collar bones.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah, Collar bones and arm bones in relationship.
So the collar bones in an idealthey're horizontal Right, and
when you look at the arms at theside body, we want to be able
to ideally see space in betweenthe thumb and the index finger
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so when your arms and this isfunctionally I want to sneak
this in we don't do tadasana,where people bring their
shoulder blades on their backand palms face front of the room
.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
That's face front of the room.
That's anatomical.
The way we do it is shoulderblades are on the back and the
arms fall and relax at the sidebody so we can see the rotations
in the arm and to allow thearms to hang naturally and
unwind.
There isn't that rigid palmsface the front of the room.
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No, that's not how we function.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Right right.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
So that's how you would look at a body in body
work.
You're looking generally.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Yeah, yeah, it's safe to say for an audience that's
not practicing this or apractitioner, we're just going
over general guidelines.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Go ahead Sorry.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
No, because it's really a trained eye that's
going to see this.
It's not something anyoneordinarily cares about, unless
you're in this business.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
And the trained eye that you have and I have, that
we've worked on for 30 years.
When someone walks in for yogaclass, I see them, the
imbalances, no judgment.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
It's discerning right , you see a favoring of a leg or
a knee or or one shoulderhigher than the other, or the
butt sticking out.
Another one is we call this um.
When the chin leads, we callthat that the cervical spine is
stuck in extension.
Right.
So we don't want to be stuck inextension, we want lengthened
up.
So the chin's down.
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I'm from the side view, at theear, the head of the arm bone,
the head of the leg bone.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Oh, and in yoga therapy in the become one method
.
In yoga therapy in private, Iteach people and Dan does.
Dan comes in, he does thiswhole segment on teaching you as
a practitioner to look atsomeone's body, because we want
to help people realign theirbody to become a conduit for
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their potentiality.
So if someone's shoulders arerounded or arm bones are in
front of their ears when youlook sideways, that could be a
problem Hearing, eyesight, jawpain, cognitive imbalances and
that's what we do in yogatherapy.
There's an aspect of it wherewe look at the whole being,
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which is part of the body.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Sure, and then you begin to add on and take
shortcuts with the experience ofknowing essential things.
Let me think you know.
So let's, let me give.
Let me think for a second.
So, for example, the crural, orthe outside of the lower leg,
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is the most weight bearing partof the human body, right.
So knowing that we can focus inon that part of the body and
then, in relationship, look atthe knee and the foot and begin
to see is this person standing?
A lot, you know, you'll findclues there.
The head stuck in extension isanother one, but I have to.
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What keeps buzzing in my headis, honestly, when I first field
somebody or meet somebody forthe first time they come to the
office, I honestly can tell youthat I look at their face and
their eyes.
The eyes are the most revealingwhen it comes to somebody in
pain.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Wow, that made me I felt sad.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
When you what you just said.
Here we are talking, oh, bodyworks, about the body, and this
is how my husband works.
This is why he is amazing atwhat he does, and that's hard
because he's my husband andy'all think I might be saying
that, but that's what he does.
He sees the face, the eyes andthe spirit.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Most definitely, and I want to just take a half a
step back and say to theaudience that, as much as Joe
appreciates the work that I doand I hear it's important to
know that unless you findsomebody, a practitioner, that
you trust, nothing's reallyproductive is going to happen.
(09:34):
So I could be the greatestpractitioner in the world and
all these celebrities couldproclaim that you have to go see
this practitioner or thatpractitioner and that's great.
I'm not saying that they're notgood practitioners, however,
they could be the bestpractitioner on the face of the
planet.
But if you don't resonate ortrust that person for whatever
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reason, it's not going to be asproductive, right?
So just the headline is I couldbe the greatest practitioner in
the world sitting right here,but if the person coming in, the
client, doesn't receive oragree with me or trust me or
whatever, whatever the thing is,whatever the hang up or the
obstacle is for us beingproductive, then I would
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encourage that client to move onand find something, a modality
that they do appreciate.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
And that's a whole nother thing.
The modality could be.
We've had that happen, wheresomeone will work with Dan a few
times and then come to me andwe Dan did work and it did work
for them.
They don't even know it, thoughand then they come to me and we
I'm able to get in more becauseof what he did, and and some
people don't connect with me-they don't want to work with me,
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and I send them to Dan, and wealso send them out to other
people.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
It's not just us two that exist and then and then,
and in the defense ofpractitioners, just so they have
a piece to feel supported, isthat just like in psychology
typically, that that that istheir the own person's or the
client's resistance to change ortransformation?
(11:10):
Yeah, um, and and I shared thisthe last time we talked about
body work in a prior episodethat the kiss of death is.
Somebody comes in.
I hold right, you know, I'll doa double contact where I'll
hold in by the ileocecal valveand hold the lower back and
they'll go out in about.
It's usually 12 minutes rightBefore the body totally relaxes,
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and then probably 25 minuteswhere their eyes it's like our
dog when she's trying to stayawake, but she's falling asleep
and they go into the zone, andthey go into a deep zone and I
stay there because that is isthe magic touch.
But then, 75 minutes, 80 minuteslater, after holding them just
that in that one place, I startto bring them out of the session
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and and they'll say somethinglike wow, I guess I really
needed that.
Huh.
Additionally, they won't feelthe hamstring pain that they
came in for, but but in thatmoment.
But then I don't see them againand and I don't I never take
that personal because I knowthat it's we're getting close to
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them, really seeing what it isthey need to work on for
themselves, not not that they'regoing to, but they're seeing
that in their face.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Something rose.
We don't know In IFS, we don'tknow what part came up, what
happened, and we also knowneurologically the world I want
to say 95, 98% of the world isafraid to slow down.
So relaxation and deep rest isvery vulnerable to the world we
live in because we live in asociety of hustle.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Hey, you got to hustle, you got to go?
Speaker 2 (12:50):
You got to go, yes, and hypervigilance, like where
am I going?
What am I doing?
I got to go get the kids, I gotto do this.
And then they lay on your table, you put them out, they're in
drool and in that state that isachieved.
We're going to talk about thisas we dive in I like the word
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using you drop in and you dropin from the physical body, you
go under, you go into a thetastate, these brain waves where
you're kind of conscious and notlike a wakeful sleeping state.
That's where you start healing.
That's when people get off thetable and now they're rushing
home to go do something or goingto the gym.
When I ask, what are you doing?
I'm going to the gym, going tothe gym.
You just completely alteredyour being Great point.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
So another phrase that we hold in our mind when
we're doing body work is thatthe awareness makes the change
right.
So, as a practitioner, yes, I'mdoing stuff and I'm hydrating
tissue and rearranging things toa degree, and just just
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hands-on alone is a healing inand of itself.
However, if the person goesback and does the same
repetitive motions with the sameintensity and doesn't use the
awareness that was just createdto start to shift, even if it's
just a little bit, and changethe way they're using their body
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, it's just going to be likewatching this Groundhog's Day
yeah, light style thisGroundhog's Day, yeah, lifestyle
.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
This is how what I've witnessed People come in and
they don't want to transform,they don't really want to change
.
Anthony DeMilo he was amazing.
He talked about how he was apriest, he was a psychologist,
he spoke on how he would counselpeople and he would say right
to their face you don't reallywant to change, you want to be
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happy and feel better living theway you're living.
You don't want to be happy, hewould say.
And he would say also you getmarried sleeping.
You get married.
You eat sleeping, go to worksleeping.
Yeah, you're sleeping.
You don't want you eat sleeping.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Go to work sleeping.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yeah, you're sleeping .
You don't want to wake up.
And coming back to what yousaid, that's not being mean.
I want to share.
I didn't want to wake up.
I also didn't know I wassleeping.
I didn't know I was lost.
What came to my realization waswhat I'm doing isn't working
and this doesn't feel good.
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It's not working.
I have nowhere to go.
And to go back to the pointthat you shared, to bring it
back to lifestyle, people cometo you me, or yoga, or a
therapist, someone and theythink one session, boom, you're
done and I'm going to go home,eat, drink and engage in
whatever I used to do.
(15:47):
The same way, I carry my bag onthe same shoulder in which you
just helped me realign, andthat's what me and Dan want to
offer you in this podcast is.
This is long-term change, thisis lifestyle stuff.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Lifestyle, lifestyle yes.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
You don't get to wholeness and healing from
biohacking.
I'm sorry, I know some peopleare going to disagree and that's
cool, yeah, but I've triedeverything.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
I'm sure we're going to have plenty of people that
disagree, but a lot of thesethings, it's like 20 years ago
when I was hearing about peoplebecoming nutritionists right,
you, you, you, you.
Um, when you have a, whenyou're, when you're a
nutritionist, you're almost overbreaking down ingredients and
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stuff like that.
It's like, okay, I got to putthe exact ingredients into this
human body and and once I putthis in, they'll get what they
need.
And they're overlooking thatwhat you put in a person's body,
there's a reaction andinteraction with that.
So it that you know?
So it's like it might notexactly be, it's not, it's not.
It doesn't work like that.
There there is the, there isthis thing and that thing, and
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then there's the interaction inbetween the things, right, and
that's just like a practitionerand a client.
And then there's theinteraction between the
practitioner and the client.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
One plus one equals three.
Right In the philosophy it's meand you equal a third and so
you and body work and a personis a third thing that comes from
that.
It's not from about you or themand your individuality.
It's what can you co-createtogether?
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And to see if we can talk alittle more about the energy you
were saying Right right.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
So energy work versus body work.
So now, in my mind, energy work, let's say craniosacral energy
work, it has a particulartechnique.
There are layouts of techniquesto address specific, say,
headaches.
However, by and largely, in thebiggest broad brushstrokes,
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body work is more physical nutsand bolts and energy work is
more.
The concept that I always comeback to is lying hands and
touching the body and beingpatient enough to allow the body
to use that contact, toorganize, reorganize around that
contact.
So it's calm, slow, patienttime.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Which is spirit.
Spirit is calm, it's conscious,it's regenerative.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Regenerative yeah.
Thank you, and I would almostpose to the audience to say you
know, find someone that wouldallow you to and just put your
hands on them and set a timerfor 20 minutes.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
And see what happens.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
No, speaking, just lie your hands on somebody for
20 minutes and see what happens.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Dan and I also studied something called source
point therapy, which is anenergy work created by Bob Shree
and Donna they're in New MexicoSometimes and it's based off of
nature.
It's based off of the FibonacciCode and it's based off of
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nature, and the concept is it'scalled Source Point because
everything comes from one source, and even in utero sperm egg
you become one cell, one thing.
From there you unfold, and thatunfolding nature they have
found within everything thatexists and everything that's
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alive.
That's the Fibonacci code, andso we learned which Dan said
we're working with energy.
You can't see energy in energywork.
Example Reiki.
Reiki has symbols.
Source point has sacredgeometry and why the brain needs
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the symbols to trick it intobelieving in it, because most
people don't believe what theydon't see.
Does that make sense?
So, in the end, though, if Itouch you with an open heart and
say may Dan receive what heneeds to receive, in my
experience you will unwind andyou will receive whatever is
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meant for you.
The diamond points in sourcepoint, the sacral hold, and in
cranial sacral.
Those techniques are conduits,if you will, tools.
Tools, just like the body is inyoga To connect, to feel, feel
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something, to open something, toallow it all comes back to
awareness and allowance, like wedon't allow ourselves to just
be and allow our body to comeback to its natural state of
calm.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Right and where there may be a crossover.
Everything to me starts to comeinto one with these types of
things, and an example is Bob.
I can't remember if it wasOxford or where he was studying,
but essentially Bob wasstudying architecture.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
He was an architect.
He's an architect.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
And his drawings is essentially how he lies his
hands on people is.
I mean, I don't know where youstart the conversation or what
door you go in, because it'sit's really.
I'd love to be in Bob's headfor a second just to see like I
could see his like paintings.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Oh my God, his paintings are beautiful.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
And simple.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Oh, basic.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
I mean, I'm saying simple just to describe it, but
I don't know if it's simple tocreate but really bold in its
simplicity.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
And it holds the power.
So Bob was a rolfer andrealized people weren't holding
the 10 series, meaning they'dget rolfed and it would go back.
And his wife channeledSourcePoint and they practiced
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it for years on their own,privately, and he found that
when he did just one point, justone point, that the person,
some people, never came back Onesession free of pain and
because it reconnected you tothe blueprint that exists.
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There's an innate intelligencebeyond us that when you cut your
arm, how do you think it heals?
You think I call or I press abutton and it happens.
It's innate and we get brokenoff from that innate
intelligence from nature.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Oh, gosh, yeah, I mean so many of those things
that are that powerful, are thatsimple, or those things that
are simple and powerful we takefor granted and overlook all of
the time, like we.
It's just like we forget aboutit.
And and that always takes meback to it's like when you're
conceived as a, as a being, it'slike you don't have bones.
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You're literally, you'reliterally entered a bunch of
cells rallying around someenergetic center.
There is nothing to it, there'smore space than anything.
Then the intelligence of thosecells begin to form into bones
and heart and lungs and kidneys,perfectly designed mechanical
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structure that that helps youlive a life.
I mean, it's just like how doyou take that for granted?
Speaker 2 (24:16):
and we do but I mean, and we remove the energy piece
from that meaning we're not thespirit.
We talked about spirit on oneof our episodes.
It animates us.
So if we didn't have spirit, wewould have these little
creatures, human creatures,walking around like hi hi,
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robots or just empty bodies.
Because spirit, prana and yogaanimates you and energy work
touches that.
Energy work touches the lifeforce.
It hangs with your life forceand you have to, you're invited
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to.
You don't have to do anything,but you're invited to study your
own life force.
That's the thing.
When we don't have energy, wedrink coffee.
When we're tired, we'll sleepall day.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
No, we'll drink coffee.
What we do is tend to avoid allthe red flags.
We just ignore all the redflags.
Which awareness.
If we get better and better atbeing aware, we would listen to
all those and get better, restand eat better and live better.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Another aspect of energy work I also studied with
Dr Nikki Elliott.
She was based out of.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
California.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Yeah, Pasadena.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
I think, so, California.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
I went and stayed with her for a week or two and
learned inner light method andit was for children and she has
her PhD in education and shebrought energy work, which is
similar to neurosculpting, tokids and found that when she
spoke about energy and colorsand feelings, that stomach aches
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disappeared, headachesdisappeared, that children
weren't able to say I'm sad.
So she would go in and saywhat's going on?
I have a stomach ache.
Well, what does it feel like?
What does it look like?
Can you imagine taking a deepbreath and blowing it out?
And because the kids aren'ttainted or have limiting beliefs
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, their imagination came in andallowed them to release stomach
pain and allow some of them tolower their impact of sensory.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yeah, to summarize those ideas.
Essentially, the energeticpiece of that is what you're
saying to this little human is Isee you, yeah, and say, when
you just lie hands on somebody,you're witnessing them.
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And what more do we want thanto be long somewhere and to be
seen?
And those are energetic piecesof this work that, again, we can
overlook all day long.
But for those practitionerslike me in the early days, it's
just working so hard to helpsomebody feel something and it
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really didn't take that much.
All you had to do is lie themon the table and let them you
know, especially outside of NewYork City just let them relax
for an hour and they felt like anew person.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, dan's teacher and mine.
I studied with him briefly,hugh Milne.
When I walked in for a sessionand that man looked at me and he
just sat and he talked to me.
I said whatever you do to me isfine, talk about trust.
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I didn't even know what wasgoing to happen.
But Dan said, joe, you need tofly toregon and you need to meet
this guy.
And I said, all right, let's doit and we are going to have him
on the podcast with bob.
We'll reach out to bob and lisawimberger.
We've asked all our teachersand friends.
We'll.
We'll get there.
We promise for a deeper, moreexpansive yeah.
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Conversation about that.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
But to your point, hugh, before my he has seven
parts of his primary educationalseries, right, and the first
time I went out to see himbefore he even laid hands on me
with words, he was the first,you know.
So I'm a man and he's a man.
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He was the first man in my lifethat used words and made me
feel like he saw exactly who Iwas like on a cellular level,
using a poetic terms and andadjectives, and that alone set
me at ease, made me feel feelrelaxed and so diminished
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inflammation and pain in my body, just by using words to let me
know that he sees me.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Yeah, he saw.
He asked the class what do yousee about this guy?
And Dan was sitting there andpeople.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
I was swinging my legs a little bit.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
He was swinging his legs and he's tense.
He what they say you're tense,you're anxious and unhappy
unhappy and if you, if you evermeet this guy in person, those
really aren't things you wouldever ever say about him maybe me
, but not him.
And hugh turns around and sayshe's in his buddha nature he's.
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He's happy as could be, he'she's done a lot of work right he
said this guy has done a lot ofwork and he's in his buddha
nature.
Dan came home different fromthat.
That's a beautiful point.
Words, words hold energy.
Matrika, shakti Bhakta InSanskrit, word has vibration,
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word has power, and words havethe potential to lift you,
empower you or cut you destroyyou.
And, as a practitioner, thereason I do work on myself is to
change how I talk to myself,because that's how I talk to you
.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Yeah, I mean and are you kidding?
Being a practitioner?
That's what it's all about.
That's a cornerstone, that'skey.
You can't do anything withoutthat right.
The work on yourself, yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
I have a tendency if you listen to all our podcasts
or episodes or some, I can bevery clear which comes off
sometimes as harsh or sassy, um,and that doesn't land well.
That could be allowing someoneto become defensive, right, and
I've had to work on or not workon work with those parts that
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are dry or harsh and ask how canI speak more tenderly.
But then I look back and askhow am I not tender with me?
Right, there's that, this wholething.
We're talking about body workand energy work, and yet under
it all is relationship andintimacy with self and with
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someone else.
And, if you have, there arestudents that say whatever you
do, I'll do Not, because I'm aguru or a magical that they
trust me so much that that wecan just sit and be and things
change.
And then there's other peoplethat are repulsed by me, which
is cool, it's all good.
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They, they will find someoneelse that can do that for them.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yes, but if you're a client and you go find somebody
to work on you and they're like,oh, we're going to do this and
I'm going to do that, and I'mgoing to do this on you, we're
going to fix that, and you won'tfeel this and everything's
going to be great.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
That's not a good sign.
That's not a good sign.
And if someone says we're gonna, I'm gonna, really I'm going to
release that block in yourheart chakra and your pelvis is
closed, y'all, please don't tellpeople what you think or you're
projecting on them what's wrongwhen energy starts or when you
do energy work or body work.
(32:28):
You don't know really what'shappening.
I don't know.
I trust that if I'm connectedto source, to intelligence, and
I get out of the way and we havethis connection, that whatever
is meant for you to happen will.
I'm not God, I'm not divineuniverse, I'm not innate
intelligence.
(32:48):
I don't know anything besidestechniques and hope and knowing
you're already whole, I'm hereto remind you and witness you.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
And just finally, hugh has a recipe, but I would
say something like this Finally,if you come across a
practitioner as a client, givethat practitioner at least a
handful of sessions before youin your small mind and
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uneducated mind.
Allow the practitioner the timeto work with you in mind.
Allow the practitioner the timeto work with you so that you
can fully feel the results orthat person's worth.
Because it takes that time, itcould take that time to get
there.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
This could take some time.
Yeah, if you have questionsabout SourcePoint Inner Light
Method, cranial Sacral andGoogle it, or reach out to us if
you want some practitionersnear you.
We know people pretty mucheverywhere.
We could even put you incontact with Bob and Donna and
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Hugh, and that's it.
So becomeonelivingatgmailcom.
See you later.
how good morning or good afternoon and welcome back
to become one living where we'reexploring yoga, body work,
energy work, life, emotion,emotion feeling with Jodi
Dahmerstad and Dan Boisitz.
Today I'd like to take theopportunity to sort of give a
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big, broad brushstrokes as thedifference between bodywork and
energy work.
As a practitioner, the approachin bodywork is very nuts and
bolts, very physical In otherwords, I imagine that we're
going to move some tissue,reorganize some tissue, very
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physical.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
And so when we take that approach and we get the
body aligned in that way, we dodiminish pain and there are
certain things you look for inthe body, meaning when you study
what we've studied, there'steachings called body reading
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and you look at certain areas inthe body to see where they're
lining up and where they don'tline up in body work.
Example talus.
That's a bone in your foot,where the lower bones of your
leg sit on, where the lowerbones of your leg sit on, and
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100% of your weight isdistributed through the talus
into your toes and it'sdispersed.
So let's say you would look atthe talus and say, okay, is it
rotating in, is it turned out?
And then you go up to the kneeand this gives you a broad idea
about reading the bodyphysically in body work right,
good, good point, joe.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
So there are essential and we're talking
about, you know, the, the bulkof society, we, we, I always it.
What always comes to mind iscertainly there's congenital
concerns, um, and, and we'rewe're not downplaying those or
or anything like that, but we'rejust saying, talking by and
largely right, the, the ordinaryperson yeah, we're not
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absoluting.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
What we share isn't all or nothing right.
This is a discussion because Iteach functional yoga, which is
body autonomy right, so we'retalking whatever's happening in
your body is what we're honoring.
So we're looking at every dayJoe coming in or Sally, and
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we're not trying to fit bodywork into a cookie cutter.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
But we need a general place to start.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Right, and so the general place to start in terms
of a physical body, if you wantto start from the ground up is
is the talus bone andessentially the second toe
pointing forward and and theknee cap essentially pointing
forward and above the talus, andbalanced in between the second
toe right there and then, as yougo up right above, we'll have
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the most prominent part of thehip bone, the ASIS.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Part of the pelvis.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
The pelvis.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
The two bony parts that stick out above your pubic
symphysis, which is near yourgenitals.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
The bottom of your pelvis the top two bones stick
out, called anterior superioriliac spine.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Right.
And then, as we move upward,we're going to look at the
costal arch, because the costalarch can show whether there's an
overly anterior pelvis, becauseit will flare right a little
bit.
And then we want to look at theshoulders.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Come back.
How can we describe more thecostal arch?
Little bit.
And then we want to look at theshoulders.
What's to come back?
What's?
How can we describe more thecostal arch?
Speaker 1 (04:10):
costal arch.
How can we?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
describe where is it?
Is it t12?
Speaker 1 (04:15):
uh, yes, and and, and it is really just the bony in
in the front body it's, it's the, the bony part that envelops
the belly right.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
So okay, so it's your ribs, part of your ribs, that
come out and flare left rightright so the front part of your
body, those ribs that flare andcover some of your side body and
your front body.
Right, that's the costal arch,right, right, okay, right.
And then we move up and look atthe arm bones or collar bones.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah, Collar bones and arm bones in relationship.
So the collar bones in an idealthey're horizontal Right, and
when you look at the arms at theside body, we want to be able
to ideally see space in betweenthe thumb and the index finger
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so when your arms and this isfunctionally I want to sneak
this in we don't do tadasana,where people bring their
shoulder blades on their backand palms face front of the room
.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
That's face front of the room.
That's anatomical.
The way we do it is shoulderblades are on the back and the
arms fall and relax at the sidebody so we can see the rotations
in the arm and to allow thearms to hang naturally and
unwind.
There isn't that rigid palmsface the front of the room.
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No, that's not how we function.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Right right.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
So that's how you would look at a body in body
work.
You're looking generally.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Yeah, yeah, it's safe to say for an audience that's
not practicing this or apractitioner, we're just going
over general guidelines.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Go ahead Sorry.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
No, because it's really a trained eye that's
going to see this.
It's not something anyoneordinarily cares about, unless
you're in this business.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
And the trained eye that you have and I have, that
we've worked on for 30 years.
When someone walks in for yogaclass, I see them, the
imbalances, no judgment.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
It's discerning right , you see a favoring of a leg or
a knee or or one shoulderhigher than the other, or the
butt sticking out.
Another one is we call this um.
When the chin leads, we callthat that the cervical spine is
stuck in extension.
Right.
So we don't want to be stuck inextension, we want lengthened
up.
So the chin's down.
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I'm from the side view, at theear, the head of the arm bone,
the head of the leg bone.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Oh, and in yoga therapy in the become one method
.
In yoga therapy in private, Iteach people and Dan does.
Dan comes in, he does thiswhole segment on teaching you as
a practitioner to look atsomeone's body, because we want
to help people realign theirbody to become a conduit for
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their potentiality.
So if someone's shoulders arerounded or arm bones are in
front of their ears when youlook sideways, that could be a
problem Hearing, eyesight, jawpain, cognitive imbalances and
that's what we do in yogatherapy.
There's an aspect of it wherewe look at the whole being,
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which is part of the body.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Sure, and then you begin to add on and take
shortcuts with the experience ofknowing essential things.
Let me think you know.
So let's, let me give.
Let me think for a second.
So, for example, the crural, orthe outside of the lower leg,
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is the most weight bearing partof the human body, right.
So knowing that we can focus inon that part of the body and
then, in relationship, look atthe knee and the foot and begin
to see is this person standing?
A lot, you know, you'll findclues there.
The head stuck in extension isanother one, but I have to.
(08:30):
What keeps buzzing in my headis, honestly, when I first field
somebody or meet somebody forthe first time they come to the
office, I honestly can tell youthat I look at their face and
their eyes.
The eyes are the most revealingwhen it comes to somebody in
pain.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Wow, that made me I felt sad.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
When you what you just said.
Here we are talking, oh, bodyworks, about the body, and this
is how my husband works.
This is why he is amazing atwhat he does, and that's hard
because he's my husband andy'all think I might be saying
that, but that's what he does.
He sees the face, the eyes andthe spirit.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Most definitely, and I want to just take a half a
step back and say to theaudience that, as much as Joe
appreciates the work that I doand I hear it's important to
know that unless you findsomebody, a practitioner, that
you trust, nothing's reallyproductive is going to happen.
(09:34):
So I could be the greatestpractitioner in the world and
all these celebrities couldproclaim that you have to go see
this practitioner or thatpractitioner and that's great.
I'm not saying that they're notgood practitioners, however,
they could be the bestpractitioner on the face of the
planet.
But if you don't resonate ortrust that person for whatever
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reason, it's not going to be asproductive, right?
So just the headline is I couldbe the greatest practitioner in
the world sitting right here,but if the person coming in, the
client, doesn't receive oragree with me or trust me or
whatever, whatever the thing is,whatever the hang up or the
obstacle is for us beingproductive, then I would
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encourage that client to move onand find something, a modality
that they do appreciate.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
And that's a whole nother thing.
The modality could be.
We've had that happen, wheresomeone will work with Dan a few
times and then come to me andwe Dan did work and it did work
for them.
They don't even know it, thoughand then they come to me and we
I'm able to get in more becauseof what he did, and and some
people don't connect with me-they don't want to work with me,
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and I send them to Dan, and wealso send them out to other
people.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
It's not just us two that exist and then and then,
and in the defense ofpractitioners, just so they have
a piece to feel supported, isthat just like in psychology
typically, that that that istheir the own person's or the
client's resistance to change ortransformation?
(11:10):
Yeah, um, and and I shared thisthe last time we talked about
body work in a prior episodethat the kiss of death is.
Somebody comes in.
I hold right, you know, I'll doa double contact where I'll
hold in by the ileocecal valveand hold the lower back and
they'll go out in about.
It's usually 12 minutes rightBefore the body totally relaxes,
(11:32):
and then probably 25 minuteswhere their eyes it's like our
dog when she's trying to stayawake, but she's falling asleep
and they go into the zone, andthey go into a deep zone and I
stay there because that is isthe magic touch.
But then, 75 minutes, 80 minuteslater, after holding them just
that in that one place, I startto bring them out of the session
(11:52):
and and they'll say somethinglike wow, I guess I really
needed that.
Huh.
Additionally, they won't feelthe hamstring pain that they
came in for, but but in thatmoment.
But then I don't see them againand and I don't I never take
that personal because I knowthat it's we're getting close to
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them, really seeing what it isthey need to work on for
themselves, not not that they'regoing to, but they're seeing
that in their face.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Something rose.
We don't know In IFS, we don'tknow what part came up, what
happened, and we also knowneurologically the world I want
to say 95, 98% of the world isafraid to slow down.
So relaxation and deep rest isvery vulnerable to the world we
live in because we live in asociety of hustle.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Hey, you got to hustle, you got to go?
Speaker 2 (12:50):
You got to go, yes, and hypervigilance, like where
am I going?
What am I doing?
I got to go get the kids, I gotto do this.
And then they lay on your table, you put them out, they're in
drool and in that state that isachieved.
We're going to talk about thisas we dive in I like the word
(13:11):
using you drop in and you dropin from the physical body, you
go under, you go into a thetastate, these brain waves where
you're kind of conscious and notlike a wakeful sleeping state.
That's where you start healing.
That's when people get off thetable and now they're rushing
home to go do something or goingto the gym.
When I ask, what are you doing?
I'm going to the gym, going tothe gym.
You just completely alteredyour being Great point.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
So another phrase that we hold in our mind when
we're doing body work is thatthe awareness makes the change
right.
So, as a practitioner, yes, I'mdoing stuff and I'm hydrating
tissue and rearranging things toa degree, and just just
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hands-on alone is a healing inand of itself.
However, if the person goesback and does the same
repetitive motions with the sameintensity and doesn't use the
awareness that was just createdto start to shift, even if it's
just a little bit, and changethe way they're using their body
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, it's just going to be likewatching this Groundhog's Day
yeah, light style thisGroundhog's Day, yeah, lifestyle
.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
This is how what I've witnessed People come in and
they don't want to transform,they don't really want to change
.
Anthony DeMilo he was amazing.
He talked about how he was apriest, he was a psychologist,
he spoke on how he would counselpeople and he would say right
to their face you don't reallywant to change, you want to be
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happy and feel better living theway you're living.
You don't want to be happy, hewould say.
And he would say also you getmarried sleeping.
You get married.
You eat sleeping, go to worksleeping.
Yeah, you're sleeping.
You don't want you eat sleeping.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Go to work sleeping.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yeah, you're sleeping .
You don't want to wake up.
And coming back to what yousaid, that's not being mean.
I want to share.
I didn't want to wake up.
I also didn't know I wassleeping.
I didn't know I was lost.
What came to my realization waswhat I'm doing isn't working
and this doesn't feel good.
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It's not working.
I have nowhere to go.
And to go back to the pointthat you shared, to bring it
back to lifestyle, people cometo you me, or yoga, or a
therapist, someone and theythink one session, boom, you're
done and I'm going to go home,eat, drink and engage in
whatever I used to do.
(15:47):
The same way, I carry my bag onthe same shoulder in which you
just helped me realign, andthat's what me and Dan want to
offer you in this podcast is.
This is long-term change, thisis lifestyle stuff.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Lifestyle, lifestyle yes.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
You don't get to wholeness and healing from
biohacking.
I'm sorry, I know some peopleare going to disagree and that's
cool, yeah, but I've triedeverything.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
I'm sure we're going to have plenty of people that
disagree, but a lot of thesethings, it's like 20 years ago
when I was hearing about peoplebecoming nutritionists right,
you, you, you, you.
Um, when you have a, whenyou're, when you're a
nutritionist, you're almost overbreaking down ingredients and
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stuff like that.
It's like, okay, I got to putthe exact ingredients into this
human body and and once I putthis in, they'll get what they
need.
And they're overlooking thatwhat you put in a person's body,
there's a reaction andinteraction with that.
So it that you know?
So it's like it might notexactly be, it's not, it's not.
It doesn't work like that.
There there is the, there isthis thing and that thing, and
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then there's the interaction inbetween the things, right, and
that's just like a practitionerand a client.
And then there's theinteraction between the
practitioner and the client.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
One plus one equals three.
Right In the philosophy it's meand you equal a third and so
you and body work and a personis a third thing that comes from
that.
It's not from about you or themand your individuality.
It's what can you co-createtogether?
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And to see if we can talk alittle more about the energy you
were saying Right right.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
So energy work versus body work.
So now, in my mind, energy work, let's say craniosacral energy
work, it has a particulartechnique.
There are layouts of techniquesto address specific, say,
headaches.
However, by and largely, in thebiggest broad brushstrokes,
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body work is more physical nutsand bolts and energy work is
more.
The concept that I always comeback to is lying hands and
touching the body and beingpatient enough to allow the body
to use that contact, toorganize, reorganize around that
contact.
So it's calm, slow, patienttime.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Which is spirit.
Spirit is calm, it's conscious,it's regenerative.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Regenerative yeah.
Thank you, and I would almostpose to the audience to say you
know, find someone that wouldallow you to and just put your
hands on them and set a timerfor 20 minutes.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
And see what happens.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
No, speaking, just lie your hands on somebody for
20 minutes and see what happens.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Dan and I also studied something called source
point therapy, which is anenergy work created by Bob Shree
and Donna they're in New MexicoSometimes and it's based off of
nature.
It's based off of the FibonacciCode and it's based off of
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nature, and the concept is it'scalled Source Point because
everything comes from one source, and even in utero sperm egg
you become one cell, one thing.
From there you unfold, and thatunfolding nature they have
found within everything thatexists and everything that's
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alive.
That's the Fibonacci code, andso we learned which Dan said
we're working with energy.
You can't see energy in energywork.
Example Reiki.
Reiki has symbols.
Source point has sacredgeometry and why the brain needs
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the symbols to trick it intobelieving in it, because most
people don't believe what theydon't see.
Does that make sense?
So, in the end, though, if Itouch you with an open heart and
say may Dan receive what heneeds to receive, in my
experience you will unwind andyou will receive whatever is
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meant for you.
The diamond points in sourcepoint, the sacral hold, and in
cranial sacral.
Those techniques are conduits,if you will, tools.
Tools, just like the body is inyoga To connect, to feel, feel
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something, to open something, toallow it all comes back to
awareness and allowance, like wedon't allow ourselves to just
be and allow our body to comeback to its natural state of
calm.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Right and where there may be a crossover.
Everything to me starts to comeinto one with these types of
things, and an example is Bob.
I can't remember if it wasOxford or where he was studying,
but essentially Bob wasstudying architecture.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
He was an architect.
He's an architect.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
And his drawings is essentially how he lies his
hands on people is.
I mean, I don't know where youstart the conversation or what
door you go in, because it'sit's really.
I'd love to be in Bob's headfor a second just to see like I
could see his like paintings.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Oh my God, his paintings are beautiful.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
And simple.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Oh, basic.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
I mean, I'm saying simple just to describe it, but
I don't know if it's simple tocreate but really bold in its
simplicity.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
And it holds the power.
So Bob was a rolfer andrealized people weren't holding
the 10 series, meaning they'dget rolfed and it would go back.
And his wife channeledSourcePoint and they practiced
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it for years on their own,privately, and he found that
when he did just one point, justone point, that the person,
some people, never came back Onesession free of pain and
because it reconnected you tothe blueprint that exists.
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There's an innate intelligencebeyond us that when you cut your
arm, how do you think it heals?
You think I call or I press abutton and it happens.
It's innate and we get brokenoff from that innate
intelligence from nature.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Oh, gosh, yeah, I mean so many of those things
that are that powerful, are thatsimple, or those things that
are simple and powerful we takefor granted and overlook all of
the time, like we.
It's just like we forget aboutit.
And and that always takes meback to it's like when you're
conceived as a, as a being, it'slike you don't have bones.
(23:41):
You're literally, you'reliterally entered a bunch of
cells rallying around someenergetic center.
There is nothing to it, there'smore space than anything.
Then the intelligence of thosecells begin to form into bones
and heart and lungs and kidneys,perfectly designed mechanical
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structure that that helps youlive a life.
I mean, it's just like how doyou take that for granted?
Speaker 2 (24:16):
and we do but I mean, and we remove the energy piece
from that meaning we're not thespirit.
We talked about spirit on oneof our episodes.
It animates us.
So if we didn't have spirit, wewould have these little
creatures, human creatures,walking around like hi hi,
(24:37):
robots or just empty bodies.
Because spirit, prana and yogaanimates you and energy work
touches that.
Energy work touches the lifeforce.
It hangs with your life forceand you have to, you're invited
(24:58):
to.
You don't have to do anything,but you're invited to study your
own life force.
That's the thing.
When we don't have energy, wedrink coffee.
When we're tired, we'll sleepall day.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
No, we'll drink coffee.
What we do is tend to avoid allthe red flags.
We just ignore all the redflags.
Which awareness.
If we get better and better atbeing aware, we would listen to
all those and get better, restand eat better and live better.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Another aspect of energy work I also studied with
Dr Nikki Elliott.
She was based out of.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
California.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Yeah, Pasadena.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
I think, so, California.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
I went and stayed with her for a week or two and
learned inner light method andit was for children and she has
her PhD in education and shebrought energy work, which is
similar to neurosculpting, tokids and found that when she
spoke about energy and colorsand feelings, that stomach aches
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disappeared, headachesdisappeared, that children
weren't able to say I'm sad.
So she would go in and saywhat's going on?
I have a stomach ache.
Well, what does it feel like?
What does it look like?
Can you imagine taking a deepbreath and blowing it out?
And because the kids aren'ttainted or have limiting beliefs
(26:28):
, their imagination came in andallowed them to release stomach
pain and allow some of them tolower their impact of sensory.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yeah, to summarize those ideas.
Essentially, the energeticpiece of that is what you're
saying to this little human is Isee you, yeah, and say, when
you just lie hands on somebody,you're witnessing them.
(27:06):
And what more do we want thanto be long somewhere and to be
seen?
And those are energetic piecesof this work that, again, we can
overlook all day long.
But for those practitionerslike me in the early days, it's
just working so hard to helpsomebody feel something and it
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really didn't take that much.
All you had to do is lie themon the table and let them you
know, especially outside of NewYork City just let them relax
for an hour and they felt like anew person.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, dan's teacher and mine.
I studied with him briefly,hugh Milne.
When I walked in for a sessionand that man looked at me and he
just sat and he talked to me.
I said whatever you do to me isfine, talk about trust.
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I didn't even know what wasgoing to happen.
But Dan said, joe, you need tofly toregon and you need to meet
this guy.
And I said, all right, let's doit and we are going to have him
on the podcast with bob.
We'll reach out to bob and lisawimberger.
We've asked all our teachersand friends.
We'll.
We'll get there.
We promise for a deeper, moreexpansive yeah.
(28:24):
Conversation about that.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
But to your point, hugh, before my he has seven
parts of his primary educationalseries, right, and the first
time I went out to see himbefore he even laid hands on me
with words, he was the first,you know.
So I'm a man and he's a man.
(28:46):
He was the first man in my lifethat used words and made me
feel like he saw exactly who Iwas like on a cellular level,
using a poetic terms and andadjectives, and that alone set
me at ease, made me feel feelrelaxed and so diminished
(29:07):
inflammation and pain in my body, just by using words to let me
know that he sees me.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Yeah, he saw.
He asked the class what do yousee about this guy?
And Dan was sitting there andpeople.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
I was swinging my legs a little bit.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
He was swinging his legs and he's tense.
He what they say you're tense,you're anxious and unhappy
unhappy and if you, if you evermeet this guy in person, those
really aren't things you wouldever ever say about him maybe me
, but not him.
And hugh turns around and sayshe's in his buddha nature he's.
(29:49):
He's happy as could be, he'she's done a lot of work right he
said this guy has done a lot ofwork and he's in his buddha
nature.
Dan came home different fromthat.
That's a beautiful point.
Words, words hold energy.
Matrika, shakti Bhakta InSanskrit, word has vibration,
(30:11):
word has power, and words havethe potential to lift you,
empower you or cut you destroyyou.
And, as a practitioner, thereason I do work on myself is to
change how I talk to myself,because that's how I talk to you
.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Yeah, I mean and are you kidding?
Being a practitioner?
That's what it's all about.
That's a cornerstone, that'skey.
You can't do anything withoutthat right.
The work on yourself, yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
I have a tendency if you listen to all our podcasts
or episodes or some, I can bevery clear which comes off
sometimes as harsh or sassy, um,and that doesn't land well.
That could be allowing someoneto become defensive, right, and
I've had to work on or not workon work with those parts that
(31:05):
are dry or harsh and ask how canI speak more tenderly.
But then I look back and askhow am I not tender with me?
Right, there's that, this wholething.
We're talking about body workand energy work, and yet under
it all is relationship andintimacy with self and with
(31:26):
someone else.
And, if you have, there arestudents that say whatever you
do, I'll do Not, because I'm aguru or a magical that they
trust me so much that that wecan just sit and be and things
change.
And then there's other peoplethat are repulsed by me, which
is cool, it's all good.
(31:46):
They, they will find someoneelse that can do that for them.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yes, but if you're a client and you go find somebody
to work on you and they're like,oh, we're going to do this and
I'm going to do that, and I'mgoing to do this on you, we're
going to fix that, and you won'tfeel this and everything's
going to be great.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
That's not a good sign.
That's not a good sign.
And if someone says we're gonna, I'm gonna, really I'm going to
release that block in yourheart chakra and your pelvis is
closed, y'all, please don't tellpeople what you think or you're
projecting on them what's wrongwhen energy starts or when you
do energy work or body work.
(32:28):
You don't know really what'shappening.
I don't know.
I trust that if I'm connectedto source, to intelligence, and
I get out of the way and we havethis connection, that whatever
is meant for you to happen will.
I'm not God, I'm not divineuniverse, I'm not innate
intelligence.
(32:48):
I don't know anything besidestechniques and hope and knowing
you're already whole, I'm hereto remind you and witness you.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
And just finally, hugh has a recipe, but I would
say something like this Finally,if you come across a
practitioner as a client, givethat practitioner at least a
handful of sessions before youin your small mind and
(33:21):
uneducated mind.
Allow the practitioner the timeto work with you in mind.
Allow the practitioner the timeto work with you so that you
can fully feel the results orthat person's worth.
Because it takes that time, itcould take that time to get
there.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
This could take some time.
Yeah, if you have questionsabout SourcePoint Inner Light
Method, cranial Sacral andGoogle it, or reach out to us if
you want some practitionersnear you.
We know people pretty mucheverywhere.
We could even put you incontact with Bob and Donna and
(33:58):
Hugh, and that's it.
So becomeonelivingatgmailcom.
See you later.
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