September 16, 2024 • 36 mins
How do you live in rhythm with your spirituality? What do you do in life to feed your spirit? Join us on this episode as we uncover the nuanced differences between soul and spirit, and explore the invisible life force known as prana, or qi. Through Dan's unique experiences in a cadaver lab and insights from ancient practices like yoga and Chinese medicine, we'll shed light on how spirit can be observed and nurtured. This episode promises to deepen your understanding of breath as the essential link between our physical existence and spiritual vitality.
In our exploration of true spirituality, we’ll discuss the importance of living in harmony with nature and recognizing the spirit within all living things. We’ll delve into how societal challenges can obscure our true desires and how practices like deep listening and reverence for life can reconnect us with our spiritual journeys. From examining the influence of truth on the human spirit to sharing powerful personal anecdotes, including stories of healing, this episode is a heartfelt invitation to reflect on what truly feeds our spirit. Tune in and share your own experiences as we navigate these profound aspects of human existence together.
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
oh gosh, here we are back recording another session.
What do we call these Episodes?
Episodes of Become One?
Living with JodiDahmerstad-Boysitz and her
husband, me, dan, and today thetopic is a huge topic,
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spirituality, which you know.
It's kind of like jumping inthe ocean.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Okay, let's just jump in.
And why don't you start?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Sure.
Well, I mean soul versus spirit, I mean you know which way do
you want to go?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
So spirituality is the study of non-physical things
, and in yoga, spirituality wecall prana.
Prana means life force, andthis life force, this prana,
animates the human body.
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So let me let me backtrack tosay this when people say I don't
believe in spirituality, howdon't you believe in
spirituality?
When people will say sometimes,oh, her spirit's low, her
spirits are low, or oh, you'rein high spirits, well, what do
you mean if you don't thinkspirituality exists?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Right, I mean.
Well, a chunk could bemisunderstanding or meshing the
idea of soul and spirit together.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
And maybe religion.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
And maybe religion.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
As soon as you start opening up this book or this
conversation of spirituality,everyone will have a
preconceived idea of whatspirituality is and think
perhaps we're or other peopleare trying to guide you into
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this airy fairy, wooey kind ofthinking.
That is not of the earth,that's not here, that's not real
.
But there's so many things thatwe can't see that are real
because they're happening.
That's spirit.
Spirit animates us and you cansee it, as I just said, when
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someone says oh Dan, spirits arelow today.
Did you see that?
How can we say that thatdoesn't exist when we witness
that in people?
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Right, so I mean.
So there is a relationship witha physical in some sense.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Right, although what we are speaking of when we
explain somebody's spirit tendsto be energetic, experiential
and so less provable, orsomething like that.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
but it to me is we are a conduit or a channel for
the expression of the spiritright spirit is measurable.
To me, the soul is not this.
Your soul is unmeasurable,unattainable.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
That's the more eternal yes but your spirit your
spirit to me is measurable.
Yes, when I did the cadaver labwith Gil, one of the first
exercises we did after we said aprayer Tell them what a cadaver
lab is, because some might notknow.
Okay, so Gil Headley has createdthe opportunity by way of his
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business to afford people towork on dead bodies, work on
them being open up the skin andsee what's beneath the skin, and
then see the muscles, etc.
Etc.
See what's inside the skull,cap, the brain and, um, spirit.
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How does that relate to spirits, bodies, up for just such an
educational experience.
And so the first, so cadaver,means to see for yourself, right
.
So that's what the wholeeducational experience is about
to see the body for yourself,what's beneath the skin.
And we held hands and he askedus you know, what's the
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difference between us and thesetwo bodies?
And the essential was that thespirit of these two bodies has
left.
Yes, I can make up a story asto what this body was like and
what their sense of humor waslike, and if they were depressed
or if they were happy, or ifthey died of something just was
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old age, or if they died ofsomething catastrophic that was
an early death.
And you can start to make upall these stories, but the
significance was that theirspirit is gone.
You, you can't tell that.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
That's the difference between a living body and a
body of the deceased isabsolutely and that's also
another word we could use is chiChi, c-h-i ki, k-i.
Prana these in qigong, tai chi,in yoga, prana these words and
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practices, and there's practicesthat help cultivate life force
and spirit.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Right Versus soul, which, again, I believe, is that
eternal energetic peace thatgoes on and on the soul of
Jackie, the soul of Jody, thesoul of David, that can go on
and on and on.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
And the spirit of things of the world.
We learn through our body andin yoga, just as an example, the
grossest, most subtle way tothe spirit is your breath.
And I say grossest meaning thebody is the grossest thing.
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Thickest dent, then most dense,yeah, so what is the most
subtle thing, thickest, mostdense?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
So what is the most subtle thing, before there's
nothing else is your breath.
So your breath.
It's not that your oxygen is alife force.
They're not saying that that'swithin the oxygen is a life
force.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Right.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Does that make sense?
People think, oh, if I dovinyasa yoga and I breathe, I'm
doing pranayama yoga.
Pranayama exercises Notnecessarily because prana, a
yama, means to extend the lifeforce.
So if we're not doing exercisesor techniques that extend the
life force or add to the lifeforce bank account, then it's
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not technically a pranayama,it's just breathing.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yeah, and the metaphor that always comes to me
in this is the breath is to thehuman as water is to the fish,
right?
So what happens when you take afish out of water?
You know what happens when youtake the breath, the prana, away
from human.
So this fills you up withenergy and essential yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
And there's many different beliefs.
The yogis believe your spiritwill be refilled through
breathing, Like the less breathsyou take, the more you'll live.
Meaning, or the longer breathyou take, means you don't have
to take as many.
Your life expectancy will bemore longer and in Chinese
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medicine they believe you'reborn with a certain amount of
life force.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Like a bank account.
Yeah, they call that prenatal.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
And then postnatal is .
You can build your qi or yourspirit through food and other
activities, but once theprenatal that you were given in
this lifetime is done, that'sdone.
So you can only then do thingsin life.
And that's where I want tobring this into.
Is what do you do in life thatfeeds your spirit, right?
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Not your mind, I'm not sayingreading books, intellect, but
the spirit, your spirit, and it.
Spirit to me is this pulsewithin us that longs to move,
that longs to vibrate, thatlongs to thrive.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah, well, it's such an interesting moment in
history because, with artificialintelligence, it, like, you
know what's the point, what'sthe point of of being, and I
suppose the point of being is toexperience life.
Experiencing life and being isspiritual, uh, you know, and,
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and to describe something youjust look out the window, you,
you wouldn't describe, Iwouldn't just use the same words
to describe you as I would todescribe some of my friends or
or family members, or somebodythat I'm looking at walking down
the street, and so we eachindividually have a spirit that
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is unique.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah, that longs to be expressed physically through
us.
That's where you say, wow,she's so energetic or lively, or
he's so peaceful.
That, to me, is the Spirit'sexpression through you, and you
shared something that pierced myheart.
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I want to go back to pierced myheart.
I want to go back to we're,here on earth, in this spirit,
in physical form, in limitation,to remember who we are we're,
we're spirit, we're nature,we're regenerating, we're dying,
we're growing.
This idea that we're separatefrom plants, we're separate from
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each other, it, it creates sucha division and a death.
And we have a social brain, bythe way, my friends, and the
social brain is when we feelconnected and we feel safe.
We grow.
There there's unlimitedpotentiality.
And if we don't express ourspirit, we die, there's a death.
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And when we're low spirits, wefeel like we want to die.
And that's where people say youhave to have a purpose.
What if the purpose was lifeand experiencing what life has
to offer?
Not perfectly, not the way youwant, but you get to experience
yourself in this lifetime.
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What if that's the gift?
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sometimes the early childhoodbecomes the entrained or the
problem of curtailing orsuppressing the true spirit of
little humans.
And so sometimes a lot of ourlife is overcoming the
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entrainment of our own familiesto find our truest self.
I think that, as shamans orpractitioners, one of the
requisites of becoming a reallygood practitioner is removing
yourself from your nuclear andextended family.
It's to go out into the worldand make it on your own,
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essentially Discover your truestself in the world.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Not being in relationship to people that
think they know who you areRight, and something you shared
as a child.
I would write a lot.
I loved writing and I would say, oh, I'm writing a book or I'm
writing poems.
That's all I would do.
And I grew up in a house withno artists.
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It was blue collar, mom and daddid cleaning, my brother was an
accountant, my sister wasartistic in many ways, but no
artists, and it was as if mywriting was thrown away.
And as I moved through life, Ifelt the dying within me, like
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the spirits dying, like.
I love teaching yoga, but youknow what?
I really love this conversation, and I thought it was oh, I
live for yoga.
No, I live to live the yoga, totalk about my spirit and the
spirituality in this way thatyour body is an instrument to
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know yourself.
You want to take care of yourbody so you don't have pain, so
you can experience thepotentiality that exists beyond
your limiting thoughts, beyondwhat you see.
Because in the Course inMiracles I'm studying, I'm a
minister, I'm a rev, I'm areverend and soon to be a
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reverend.
In the Course in Miracles, thefirst lesson is things only have
meaning because you give itmeaning.
So this microphone only hasmeaning because I give it
meaning.
And if I say this microphone iscrap, that's because I decide
that.
And again, that's yoga Comingin with memories, concepts,
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entrained programming.
We lose that pulsation ofspirit that innately, on its own
volition, will guide us towardssomething yeah gosh.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
I remember being seven playing the drums and my
parents saying you're going toplay out for, you're going to
try out for baseball.
I was like, oh my god, I don'teven want to do that, you know
um um so if you live in ahousehold that supports your
true nature and your ownpursuits.
I did that with my nephews thebest that I could.
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James was communicative fromearly on.
He was like oh, go for it, kid,go for it.
Read and write and speak.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
He's awesome.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
He knows everything about sports and now he's
working for a news channel whatyou said.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Why me and Dan?
There's many aspects of ourrelationship I enjoy, and one is
we support each other increative endeavors.
It's never.
That's crazy, don't do that.
When Dan said I want to makemusic and I want to play, I said
listen, get the leather pants,go on tour.
I'm not coming if it's after 10pm.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yeah, that's where I think.
That's where each of us in theworld can be our own worst enemy
in terms of pursuing our truestnature.
I feel like part of me wouldn'tdo that, almost out of fear and
I'm not sure fear of what?
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Maybe it's fear of success.
Maybe it's fear of being afailure.
I don't know, we don't know,hang know.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
We don't know Hang on , we don't know what part.
So there's a part of you.
Right, right, right, we'rebringing in IFS.
There's a part of you that,when I shared, that feels
fearful.
Like I don't know why I didn'tgo for that.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Right, you know, but again so, this guy that I'm
interested in, david Hawkins,you know, one thing that caught
my eye is this, and I'm going tosay quote is actually fictional
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and their average level oftruth is at a calibration level
190, as are slick-appearingspiritual magazines that
glamorize fallacious fantasiesof other dimensions and so on.
And that only caught my eye inrelationship to this
conversation, because the waythat you and I live and have
conversations about spiritualityand pursue it in your own right
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and in my own right is really apurer version of pursuing
spirituality you can get caughtup in, like the astrologer, the
channeler, the medium religion,tarot card reader Tarot card.
All these things are soseductive Psychic.
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Religion, tarot card reader,tarot card All these things are
so seductive, psychic, but it'sreally, they're just it could be
a prey on a vulnerability.
These people could be adept atseeing somebody's vulnerability
and just sort of not supportingthem in growing in spirituality,
but exploiting that piece.
Yes, so my greater point tothis is it really is a personal,
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very personal journey, which iswhy I've kind of always felt a
tug towards a spiritual journeyversus religion for me.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Me too.
I tried religion to find me meand it didn't work.
And why spirituality works is Iwant to allow spirit to enliven
me, to create and co-createwith divine energy or innate
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energy.
Dan is a body worker.
If you're new to us and we'vediscussed this innate
intelligence the body has, ifthe body has an innate
intelligence to heal and create,you start out as one cell.
When you come, when you'reconceived and you turn into a
trillion cells and each of thesecells know what to do, then how
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can we not say there's anotherintelligent energy that's
holding us all?
I want to know that and live inrhythm with that.
That's what I mean byspirituality.
I want to live in rhythm.
When it's hot out, I want tosweat.
When it's cold, I want tohibernate, like how did we lose?
That's what spirituality meansto me is I'm sorry, I have an
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excited part.
Right them like that or treesare alive.
It's like.
No, they're not.
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It's.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Everything is so alive with spirit yeah, he
reminded me of when we hosted amoda and kavi and nunu.
Our dog barked and I shushedher and I'm gonna said you're,
you're not allowing her truespirit, you know, and uh yeah,
amodama is an amazing spiritualteacher and we were blessed to
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host her um and our.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
We just had gotten our dog and she was barking,
yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Amona said you're, you're, that's her true nature.
You gotta let her be her truenature, and I just took that and
plugged it right in to tohonoring people that I interact
with, and myself too, oh my gosh.
All right, so that's a journey.
How do I begin to uncover,unearth or reveal, discover
again, rediscover my, my truenature?
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And a lot of that can be donein just and practice and just
being.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Most people can't be that.
This goes back to almost everypod, every episode of our
podcast we talk about is do youhave the potential to just be as
is and be okay?
I'm okay with who I am.
You don't have to like me, youdon't have to agree with me, but
I'm.
I've done enough work to withwho I am.
You don't have to like me, youdon't have to agree with me, but
I'm.
I've done enough work to knowwho I am and enough work to know
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when I'm not nice, I'm not cool, I, I and I can make amends for
those things.
And spirit to me.
If my, if I'm not feeding myspirit, I'm dying.
When I have someone come in andthey tell me something and they
light up, I say go with that, Idon't need to worry how they're
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going to do it.
Like, one of my girls lovesclothes and makeup.
When she talks about clothingand when she walks in the room,
everyone in the room turns.
It's like I love that color.
That's amazing.
She brightens up the room.
I tell her that that's herspirit expression, right, and
and the clothes and the makeupand she wants to do this.
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I'm like go with that.
Why can't we promote or supportsomeone to follow their spirit,
to follow what feeds theirspirit.
It's always how you're going todo that.
Are you going to do this?
It's like I don't know, but butit calls to me and that's what
I was saying about us.
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Dan has never said that's acockamamie idea you have there
that that was an old word, buthe's never said joe, I can't
believe you're going to do that.
It's yeah, go for it.
How are you going to do it?
It's let's do it, Because ifyour spirit is pulling you, how
could you quell that?
How can you stop that?
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And I have a belief that a lotof the world is so angry or
cranky or judgmental becausethey're not doing what their
heart wants.
And when I ask people what doyou want?
What do you want to do?
You?
Speaker 1 (22:08):
know what they say?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
I don't know.
I don't know.
We don't know what we want.
We don't know what lifts ourspirits.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
What's happening.
Well, some of the practicesthat would be considered
spiritual practices, likesitting, take you there, but I
don't know too many people whoare able to sit.
I mean it's not easy for me butI know that you've done quite a
bit of sitting.
But what I do know about myselfis that I can listen quite a
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bit of sitting.
But what I do know about myselfis that I can listen, and I
listen deeply, which is aspiritual.
If there's something that youenjoy, let's see.
I'm trying to remember I thinkHugh practices this but just the
idea of revering other thingspeople places, the idea of
reverence towards life andthings outside of yourself,
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helps build that capacity tostrengthen your own spiritual
journey.
You know, this isn't somethingthat you do again on a weekend
workshop.
This is a lifestyle that youlearn bits and pieces and you
plug them in and you integratethem into your life and slowly
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but surely it could be fiveyears you get a hit and then it
tools that support you alongyour journey to being the best
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being that you can be, ormaximizing, or reaching and
experiencing your own potentialas a human being.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
There's so much you said that is so powerful.
The Course in Miracles is abouthealing the mind.
Oh, that's what I wanted toshare.
What you're talking about isalso a privilege.
If you're in fight or flight,if you're worrying about
finances, if you have a dis-ease, if you have a dis-ease, it
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will be challenging to createthese practices to connect with
something bigger, different,thinner, less subtle than the
physicality that's calling toyou every day.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, asterisk, but asterisk.
There are tenacious people wholiterally use their challenge.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Yes, and it could be, congenital could be, but that's
the goal is that's that's thegoal in life to me is when you
meet life with what it offers,it changes you, yes it and how
does it change you.
I'm not saying we need tosuffer.
What I'm saying is brainsurgery was another way to a
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deeper spiritual connection tomyself.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yes, and you're not saying suffer.
But it is worthwhile to keep inmind that transformation is a
tall order, like the chickenhatching out of the egg.
It's painful, it's painful.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
It's challenging.
I'm not taking that, I'm notminimizing that, but I don't
want to say some people have toget hit over the head with a two
by four right what and hit rockbottom.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
That may be you, but I'm saying, if you, you don't
always have to go that far yeah,and I'm just pointing out, I'm
really just wanted to reflectand reveal the paradoxes that
that abound, right, it's.
It's it's kind of like somepeople's accessing some, some
people's way of accessing theirtruest nature, literally like a
lightning bolt, the pattern thatit makes in the sky is the path
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of least resistance, right?
So, yes, transition, we canimagine it in our minds.
If it serves us, that it'sgoing to be transition and
transformation is going to bedifficult.
Or if we're really just sittingin ourselves and being our
truest selves, well, maybethere's not much going on and
it's so simple.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
You said, I sit still , you listen.
I sit still in silence and Danlistens.
And there's a word in Sanskritfor for listening.
It's called shravana.
Shravana is from the upanishads, thousands of years ago, and
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it's an ancient tool forlearning and being with someone.
And shravana means that youshush, you don't think, you
listen with all your senses, youlisten with your eyes, you
listen with your nose your mouthand you don't judge, and you
almost don't even interact.
You don't contemplate either.
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It's, I'm here.
You don't come up with ananswer before the person's
finished talking.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Yeah, I love that.
I listen so deeply, so oftenthat I'll be interacting with
somebody, and to me it's thebest way of improvising
conversation, and some peoplewill say things that maybe I
would like to expand on or Idon't agree with, but if they
keep going, I let them keepgoing so long that I even forget
that I was going to want toexpand on something.
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You just take in the person forwhat they're offering,
completely until they'refinished.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
That's spiritual.
To me, spirituality is healingour mind in the way of thinking
black and white.
Spirituality, to me, iscontinually regenerating.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Self-generating, self-generating and changing.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
And how can we get back into the spirit and the
rhythm of the world and theplants and nature?
Because we're so far removed.
Everything is in our reach.
People don't move.
We've become slugs.
You don't have to do this,don't have to do that, it's.
How can we come back to therhythm of go to bed when it's
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dark, wake up when it's light.
Right, sweat when you need tosweat, cool when you need to
cool.
A time and a place foreverything.
Even eating, right, there'srhythms to eating.
I wonder what it would be likeif we all lived in accordance
with rhythms of the world andour own rhythm, right.
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What works to me, that'snurturing and nourishing your
spirit, and a question I offeryou and Dan I'm curious how you
feel lately is how is yourspirit Like?
I feel my spirit is low, low,even while I'm here talking to
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you on the podcast.
I could still be here, becausethat's just a part, but yeah, my
spirits feel a little depletedtoday.
Okay, that's that's important,to check in with yourself, and
that doesn't mean I'm gonna gotry to pick up my spirits.
It it's asking then did I dosomething to feed my spirit, to
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feed my soul?
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
What nourishes this energy in the body that sustains
you?
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Yeah, it's the paradox.
So it's like the yoga practicesit's important to practice on
your own and it's important topractice in community.
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I feel the challenges and sothat concept essentially, it's
like when I talk to you, it'slike taking responsibility right
for things in life and all thatstuff.
And there's always the impassewhere you're like, yes, yes,
it's me, it's me, I got to goinward and I got to work on
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myself because it's my ownjourney and there's always the
other, there's always therelationship right With my
brother, my mother, my friends,my co-workers, my clients.
It's like in the spiritualjourney, you can never get hung
up on something.
You always have to be gentlymoving, gently moving just
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enough, because if you get hungup on something, you're missing.
You're missing the dance.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yes, yes, you're missing the dance because you
made a story about something,because you didn't like it.
We go back to the yoga and theneuroscience.
That's spirituality and science.
They're very much one in thesame in many ways.
And the science of it is if I'mstuck in this story and I'm
still doing the same thing overand over again, then I'm not
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feeding my spirit, I'm drainingmyself.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Because I'm not growing.
If you're not growing, you'redying.
That's a quote.
If you're not deepening yourrelationships with self, you're
dying.
And's a quote.
If you're not deepening yourrelationships with self, you're
dying.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
And.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
I apologize, I don't know.
We'll look up who quoted.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Who said that that might just be from like the
Shawshank Redemption Get busyliving or get busy dying.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
And that is what I've witnessed, or that's what my
dad did.
My dad just worked.
What I've witnessed or that'swhat my dad did my dad just
worked.
My dad worked, worked, worked.
My dad was a workaholic workedall the time cleaning, taking
odd jobs, doing whatever he hadto do, and as soon as he stopped
working he died 66 years old.
Done and what I mean?
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He was sick and what I mean.
He was sick, copd, but it wasas soon as they closed his
business.
Four weeks later he died.
He had no love for anythingelse, no spirit.
His spirit was dull, yeah, butthe society we live in is get a
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job, work, put your head down,save money and retire.
Yeah, but where's our spirit inthat?
Where's this life force?
And is it being drained?
Is it being filled, Sure.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
I mean, and look, there's great risk.
I mean, I think Gartoli it waslike he sat on a bench for six
years and didn't move right andthen he started to write his
books.
I mean, that's a pretty biggamble to decide.
You're going to sit on a benchfor six years and not move.
I mean, what did ParamahansaYoga do for money?
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I mean, it's like Jesus acarpenter.
I mean, like, what my point isis that we're entertaining and
we've been fortunate enough tobe able to actually play with
these ideas.
But I don't for one secondpretend that this is an easy
thing to do, right?
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I mean, and so I just wanted tobalance that you know for
listeners that it's like, yeah,this, you know economics, you
know economics, you know, if youhave a couple, children, etc.
Etc.
It's like yeah, no, no, we, we,we are a couple, that you know,
we live pretty simply and andthat living simply allows us to
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entertain these things.
But otherwise I, I, you know, Imight just be like your dad.
That's how my dad was it justworked?
Speaker 2 (33:42):
yeah, dr hawkins, dr david hawkins, we love his books
.
Power Versus Force, truthVersus Falsehood what's the name
of this book?
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Discovery of the Presence of God.
What's the I?
One Eye of the Eye.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah, the Eye of God.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
He's got a whole catalog of he's dead now, but he
did amazing stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
He's a dead guy.
He studied the vibration ofpeople places and things.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
He kinesiologically tested every sentence in his
books for whether it was true ornot.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yes, and we discussed this a little in the trauma
episode that lying makes thebody go weak 50% weak or cursing
.
And cursing.
Yes, lying and cursing makesthe body go weak, which means it
turns off its innate ability toheal, to function, to produce
cells, to do its job and itsduties about 50% to 80% from
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distorting reality or holdingthings in.
Now, if we just bring that backinto place here for a second,
what I just said, if you'relying, yeah, I love my job, I
love my job, I love my job or Ican deal with it.
That's what I hear a lot.
I could handle it Really andyou really can't.
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That's a lie to yourself.
So you're not going to have astrong spirit.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Yeah, and that's not a complete sentence.
It's kind of more like I canhandle this and I just smoke a
pack of cigarettes a day.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Or yes, or watch TV or complain or get mad, and I've
done all these things to share.
When Dan and I are sharing andtalking about spirit, I had no
idea that there was more thanwhat was in front of me, and it
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took a lot of yoga and practiceand brain training and curiosity
to hear things that I couldn'teven believe existed, and hear
things that I didn't even thinkcould happen, to the point where
I healed myself from a strokewhere the one doctor said most
people wouldn't come back fromthis the way you did.
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That potentiality isn't inbooks.
I had to believe in somethingbigger and more this innate
intelligence that lives within.
So you know we're just startingthis conversation about spirit.
This is just letting it Jumpingin.
Yeah, becomeoneliving atgmailcom.
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I'd love to hear, we would loveto hear your idea about spirit.
What does spirit mean to you?
What does spirit mean to you,what does spirituality mean to
you?
What do you do for that?
And we will keep theconversation going on this.
Thank you, and may you feedyour spirit today yeah.
oh gosh, here we are back recording another session.
What do we call these Episodes?
Episodes of Become One?
Living with JodiDahmerstad-Boysitz and her
husband, me, dan, and today thetopic is a huge topic,
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spirituality, which you know.
It's kind of like jumping inthe ocean.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Okay, let's just jump in.
And why don't you start?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Sure.
Well, I mean soul versus spirit, I mean you know which way do
you want to go?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
So spirituality is the study of non-physical things
, and in yoga, spirituality wecall prana.
Prana means life force, andthis life force, this prana,
animates the human body.
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So let me let me backtrack tosay this when people say I don't
believe in spirituality, howdon't you believe in
spirituality?
When people will say sometimes,oh, her spirit's low, her
spirits are low, or oh, you'rein high spirits, well, what do
you mean if you don't thinkspirituality exists?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Right, I mean.
Well, a chunk could bemisunderstanding or meshing the
idea of soul and spirit together.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
And maybe religion.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
And maybe religion.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
As soon as you start opening up this book or this
conversation of spirituality,everyone will have a
preconceived idea of whatspirituality is and think
perhaps we're or other peopleare trying to guide you into
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this airy fairy, wooey kind ofthinking.
That is not of the earth,that's not here, that's not real
.
But there's so many things thatwe can't see that are real
because they're happening.
That's spirit.
Spirit animates us and you cansee it, as I just said, when
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someone says oh Dan, spirits arelow today.
Did you see that?
How can we say that thatdoesn't exist when we witness
that in people?
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Right, so I mean.
So there is a relationship witha physical in some sense.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Right, although what we are speaking of when we
explain somebody's spirit tendsto be energetic, experiential
and so less provable, orsomething like that.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
but it to me is we are a conduit or a channel for
the expression of the spiritright spirit is measurable.
To me, the soul is not this.
Your soul is unmeasurable,unattainable.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
That's the more eternal yes but your spirit your
spirit to me is measurable.
Yes, when I did the cadaver labwith Gil, one of the first
exercises we did after we said aprayer Tell them what a cadaver
lab is, because some might notknow.
Okay, so Gil Headley has createdthe opportunity by way of his
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business to afford people towork on dead bodies, work on
them being open up the skin andsee what's beneath the skin, and
then see the muscles, etc.
Etc.
See what's inside the skull,cap, the brain and, um, spirit.
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How does that relate to spirits, bodies, up for just such an
educational experience.
And so the first, so cadaver,means to see for yourself, right
.
So that's what the wholeeducational experience is about
to see the body for yourself,what's beneath the skin.
And we held hands and he askedus you know, what's the
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difference between us and thesetwo bodies?
And the essential was that thespirit of these two bodies has
left.
Yes, I can make up a story asto what this body was like and
what their sense of humor waslike, and if they were depressed
or if they were happy, or ifthey died of something just was
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old age, or if they died ofsomething catastrophic that was
an early death.
And you can start to make upall these stories, but the
significance was that theirspirit is gone.
You, you can't tell that.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
That's the difference between a living body and a
body of the deceased isabsolutely and that's also
another word we could use is chiChi, c-h-i ki, k-i.
Prana these in qigong, tai chi,in yoga, prana these words and
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practices, and there's practicesthat help cultivate life force
and spirit.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Right Versus soul, which, again, I believe, is that
eternal energetic peace thatgoes on and on the soul of
Jackie, the soul of Jody, thesoul of David, that can go on
and on and on.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
And the spirit of things of the world.
We learn through our body andin yoga, just as an example, the
grossest, most subtle way tothe spirit is your breath.
And I say grossest meaning thebody is the grossest thing.
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Thickest dent, then most dense,yeah, so what is the most
subtle thing, thickest, mostdense?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
So what is the most subtle thing, before there's
nothing else is your breath.
So your breath.
It's not that your oxygen is alife force.
They're not saying that that'swithin the oxygen is a life
force.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Right.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Does that make sense?
People think, oh, if I dovinyasa yoga and I breathe, I'm
doing pranayama yoga.
Pranayama exercises Notnecessarily because prana, a
yama, means to extend the lifeforce.
So if we're not doing exercisesor techniques that extend the
life force or add to the lifeforce bank account, then it's
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not technically a pranayama,it's just breathing.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yeah, and the metaphor that always comes to me
in this is the breath is to thehuman as water is to the fish,
right?
So what happens when you take afish out of water?
You know what happens when youtake the breath, the prana, away
from human.
So this fills you up withenergy and essential yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
And there's many different beliefs.
The yogis believe your spiritwill be refilled through
breathing, Like the less breathsyou take, the more you'll live.
Meaning, or the longer breathyou take, means you don't have
to take as many.
Your life expectancy will bemore longer and in Chinese
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medicine they believe you'reborn with a certain amount of
life force.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Like a bank account.
Yeah, they call that prenatal.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
And then postnatal is .
You can build your qi or yourspirit through food and other
activities, but once theprenatal that you were given in
this lifetime is done, that'sdone.
So you can only then do thingsin life.
And that's where I want tobring this into.
Is what do you do in life thatfeeds your spirit, right?
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Not your mind, I'm not sayingreading books, intellect, but
the spirit, your spirit, and it.
Spirit to me is this pulsewithin us that longs to move,
that longs to vibrate, thatlongs to thrive.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah, well, it's such an interesting moment in
history because, with artificialintelligence, it, like, you
know what's the point, what'sthe point of of being, and I
suppose the point of being is toexperience life.
Experiencing life and being isspiritual, uh, you know, and,
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and to describe something youjust look out the window, you,
you wouldn't describe, Iwouldn't just use the same words
to describe you as I would todescribe some of my friends or
or family members, or somebodythat I'm looking at walking down
the street, and so we eachindividually have a spirit that
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is unique.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah, that longs to be expressed physically through
us.
That's where you say, wow,she's so energetic or lively, or
he's so peaceful.
That, to me, is the Spirit'sexpression through you, and you
shared something that pierced myheart.
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I want to go back to pierced myheart.
I want to go back to we're,here on earth, in this spirit,
in physical form, in limitation,to remember who we are we're,
we're spirit, we're nature,we're regenerating, we're dying,
we're growing.
This idea that we're separatefrom plants, we're separate from
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each other, it, it creates sucha division and a death.
And we have a social brain, bythe way, my friends, and the
social brain is when we feelconnected and we feel safe.
We grow.
There there's unlimitedpotentiality.
And if we don't express ourspirit, we die, there's a death.
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And when we're low spirits, wefeel like we want to die.
And that's where people say youhave to have a purpose.
What if the purpose was lifeand experiencing what life has
to offer?
Not perfectly, not the way youwant, but you get to experience
yourself in this lifetime.
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What if that's the gift?
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sometimes the early childhoodbecomes the entrained or the
problem of curtailing orsuppressing the true spirit of
little humans.
And so sometimes a lot of ourlife is overcoming the
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entrainment of our own familiesto find our truest self.
I think that, as shamans orpractitioners, one of the
requisites of becoming a reallygood practitioner is removing
yourself from your nuclear andextended family.
It's to go out into the worldand make it on your own,
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essentially Discover your truestself in the world.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Not being in relationship to people that
think they know who you areRight, and something you shared
as a child.
I would write a lot.
I loved writing and I would say, oh, I'm writing a book or I'm
writing poems.
That's all I would do.
And I grew up in a house withno artists.
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It was blue collar, mom and daddid cleaning, my brother was an
accountant, my sister wasartistic in many ways, but no
artists, and it was as if mywriting was thrown away.
And as I moved through life, Ifelt the dying within me, like
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the spirits dying, like.
I love teaching yoga, but youknow what?
I really love this conversation, and I thought it was oh, I
live for yoga.
No, I live to live the yoga, totalk about my spirit and the
spirituality in this way thatyour body is an instrument to
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know yourself.
You want to take care of yourbody so you don't have pain, so
you can experience thepotentiality that exists beyond
your limiting thoughts, beyondwhat you see.
Because in the Course inMiracles I'm studying, I'm a
minister, I'm a rev, I'm areverend and soon to be a
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reverend.
In the Course in Miracles, thefirst lesson is things only have
meaning because you give itmeaning.
So this microphone only hasmeaning because I give it
meaning.
And if I say this microphone iscrap, that's because I decide
that.
And again, that's yoga Comingin with memories, concepts,
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entrained programming.
We lose that pulsation ofspirit that innately, on its own
volition, will guide us towardssomething yeah gosh.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
I remember being seven playing the drums and my
parents saying you're going toplay out for, you're going to
try out for baseball.
I was like, oh my god, I don'teven want to do that, you know
um um so if you live in ahousehold that supports your
true nature and your ownpursuits.
I did that with my nephews thebest that I could.
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James was communicative fromearly on.
He was like oh, go for it, kid,go for it.
Read and write and speak.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
He's awesome.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
He knows everything about sports and now he's
working for a news channel whatyou said.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Why me and Dan?
There's many aspects of ourrelationship I enjoy, and one is
we support each other increative endeavors.
It's never.
That's crazy, don't do that.
When Dan said I want to makemusic and I want to play, I said
listen, get the leather pants,go on tour.
I'm not coming if it's after 10pm.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yeah, that's where I think.
That's where each of us in theworld can be our own worst enemy
in terms of pursuing our truestnature.
I feel like part of me wouldn'tdo that, almost out of fear and
I'm not sure fear of what?
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Maybe it's fear of success.
Maybe it's fear of being afailure.
I don't know, we don't know,hang know.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
We don't know Hang on , we don't know what part.
So there's a part of you.
Right, right, right, we'rebringing in IFS.
There's a part of you that,when I shared, that feels
fearful.
Like I don't know why I didn'tgo for that.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Right, you know, but again so, this guy that I'm
interested in, david Hawkins,you know, one thing that caught
my eye is this, and I'm going tosay quote is actually fictional
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and their average level oftruth is at a calibration level
190, as are slick-appearingspiritual magazines that
glamorize fallacious fantasiesof other dimensions and so on.
And that only caught my eye inrelationship to this
conversation, because the waythat you and I live and have
conversations about spiritualityand pursue it in your own right
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and in my own right is really apurer version of pursuing
spirituality you can get caughtup in, like the astrologer, the
channeler, the medium religion,tarot card reader Tarot card.
All these things are soseductive Psychic.
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Religion, tarot card reader,tarot card All these things are
so seductive, psychic, but it'sreally, they're just it could be
a prey on a vulnerability.
These people could be adept atseeing somebody's vulnerability
and just sort of not supportingthem in growing in spirituality,
but exploiting that piece.
Yes, so my greater point tothis is it really is a personal,
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very personal journey, which iswhy I've kind of always felt a
tug towards a spiritual journeyversus religion for me.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Me too.
I tried religion to find me meand it didn't work.
And why spirituality works is Iwant to allow spirit to enliven
me, to create and co-createwith divine energy or innate
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energy.
Dan is a body worker.
If you're new to us and we'vediscussed this innate
intelligence the body has, ifthe body has an innate
intelligence to heal and create,you start out as one cell.
When you come, when you'reconceived and you turn into a
trillion cells and each of thesecells know what to do, then how
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can we not say there's anotherintelligent energy that's
holding us all?
I want to know that and live inrhythm with that.
That's what I mean byspirituality.
I want to live in rhythm.
When it's hot out, I want tosweat.
When it's cold, I want tohibernate, like how did we lose?
That's what spirituality meansto me is I'm sorry, I have an
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excited part.
Right them like that or treesare alive.
It's like.
No, they're not.
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It's.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Everything is so alive with spirit yeah, he
reminded me of when we hosted amoda and kavi and nunu.
Our dog barked and I shushedher and I'm gonna said you're,
you're not allowing her truespirit, you know, and uh yeah,
amodama is an amazing spiritualteacher and we were blessed to
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host her um and our.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
We just had gotten our dog and she was barking,
yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Amona said you're, you're, that's her true nature.
You gotta let her be her truenature, and I just took that and
plugged it right in to tohonoring people that I interact
with, and myself too, oh my gosh.
All right, so that's a journey.
How do I begin to uncover,unearth or reveal, discover
again, rediscover my, my truenature?
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And a lot of that can be donein just and practice and just
being.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Most people can't be that.
This goes back to almost everypod, every episode of our
podcast we talk about is do youhave the potential to just be as
is and be okay?
I'm okay with who I am.
You don't have to like me, youdon't have to agree with me, but
I'm.
I've done enough work to withwho I am.
You don't have to like me, youdon't have to agree with me, but
I'm.
I've done enough work to knowwho I am and enough work to know
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when I'm not nice, I'm not cool, I, I and I can make amends for
those things.
And spirit to me.
If my, if I'm not feeding myspirit, I'm dying.
When I have someone come in andthey tell me something and they
light up, I say go with that, Idon't need to worry how they're
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going to do it.
Like, one of my girls lovesclothes and makeup.
When she talks about clothingand when she walks in the room,
everyone in the room turns.
It's like I love that color.
That's amazing.
She brightens up the room.
I tell her that that's herspirit expression, right, and
and the clothes and the makeupand she wants to do this.
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I'm like go with that.
Why can't we promote or supportsomeone to follow their spirit,
to follow what feeds theirspirit.
It's always how you're going todo that.
Are you going to do this?
It's like I don't know, but butit calls to me and that's what
I was saying about us.
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Dan has never said that's acockamamie idea you have there
that that was an old word, buthe's never said joe, I can't
believe you're going to do that.
It's yeah, go for it.
How are you going to do it?
It's let's do it, Because ifyour spirit is pulling you, how
could you quell that?
How can you stop that?
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And I have a belief that a lotof the world is so angry or
cranky or judgmental becausethey're not doing what their
heart wants.
And when I ask people what doyou want?
What do you want to do?
You?
Speaker 1 (22:08):
know what they say?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
I don't know.
I don't know.
We don't know what we want.
We don't know what lifts ourspirits.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
What's happening.
Well, some of the practicesthat would be considered
spiritual practices, likesitting, take you there, but I
don't know too many people whoare able to sit.
I mean it's not easy for me butI know that you've done quite a
bit of sitting.
But what I do know about myselfis that I can listen quite a
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bit of sitting.
But what I do know about myselfis that I can listen, and I
listen deeply, which is aspiritual.
If there's something that youenjoy, let's see.
I'm trying to remember I thinkHugh practices this but just the
idea of revering other thingspeople places, the idea of
reverence towards life andthings outside of yourself,
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helps build that capacity tostrengthen your own spiritual
journey.
You know, this isn't somethingthat you do again on a weekend
workshop.
This is a lifestyle that youlearn bits and pieces and you
plug them in and you integratethem into your life and slowly
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but surely it could be fiveyears you get a hit and then it
tools that support you alongyour journey to being the best
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being that you can be, ormaximizing, or reaching and
experiencing your own potentialas a human being.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
There's so much you said that is so powerful.
The Course in Miracles is abouthealing the mind.
Oh, that's what I wanted toshare.
What you're talking about isalso a privilege.
If you're in fight or flight,if you're worrying about
finances, if you have a dis-ease, if you have a dis-ease, it
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will be challenging to createthese practices to connect with
something bigger, different,thinner, less subtle than the
physicality that's calling toyou every day.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, asterisk, but asterisk.
There are tenacious people wholiterally use their challenge.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Yes, and it could be, congenital could be, but that's
the goal is that's that's thegoal in life to me is when you
meet life with what it offers,it changes you, yes it and how
does it change you.
I'm not saying we need tosuffer.
What I'm saying is brainsurgery was another way to a
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deeper spiritual connection tomyself.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yes, and you're not saying suffer.
But it is worthwhile to keep inmind that transformation is a
tall order, like the chickenhatching out of the egg.
It's painful, it's painful.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
It's challenging.
I'm not taking that, I'm notminimizing that, but I don't
want to say some people have toget hit over the head with a two
by four right what and hit rockbottom.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
That may be you, but I'm saying, if you, you don't
always have to go that far yeah,and I'm just pointing out, I'm
really just wanted to reflectand reveal the paradoxes that
that abound, right, it's.
It's it's kind of like somepeople's accessing some, some
people's way of accessing theirtruest nature, literally like a
lightning bolt, the pattern thatit makes in the sky is the path
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of least resistance, right?
So, yes, transition, we canimagine it in our minds.
If it serves us, that it'sgoing to be transition and
transformation is going to bedifficult.
Or if we're really just sittingin ourselves and being our
truest selves, well, maybethere's not much going on and
it's so simple.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
You said, I sit still , you listen.
I sit still in silence and Danlistens.
And there's a word in Sanskritfor for listening.
It's called shravana.
Shravana is from the upanishads, thousands of years ago, and
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it's an ancient tool forlearning and being with someone.
And shravana means that youshush, you don't think, you
listen with all your senses, youlisten with your eyes, you
listen with your nose your mouthand you don't judge, and you
almost don't even interact.
You don't contemplate either.
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It's, I'm here.
You don't come up with ananswer before the person's
finished talking.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Yeah, I love that.
I listen so deeply, so oftenthat I'll be interacting with
somebody, and to me it's thebest way of improvising
conversation, and some peoplewill say things that maybe I
would like to expand on or Idon't agree with, but if they
keep going, I let them keepgoing so long that I even forget
that I was going to want toexpand on something.
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You just take in the person forwhat they're offering,
completely until they'refinished.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
That's spiritual.
To me, spirituality is healingour mind in the way of thinking
black and white.
Spirituality, to me, iscontinually regenerating.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Self-generating, self-generating and changing.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
And how can we get back into the spirit and the
rhythm of the world and theplants and nature?
Because we're so far removed.
Everything is in our reach.
People don't move.
We've become slugs.
You don't have to do this,don't have to do that, it's.
How can we come back to therhythm of go to bed when it's
(28:10):
dark, wake up when it's light.
Right, sweat when you need tosweat, cool when you need to
cool.
A time and a place foreverything.
Even eating, right, there'srhythms to eating.
I wonder what it would be likeif we all lived in accordance
with rhythms of the world andour own rhythm, right.
(28:31):
What works to me, that'snurturing and nourishing your
spirit, and a question I offeryou and Dan I'm curious how you
feel lately is how is yourspirit Like?
I feel my spirit is low, low,even while I'm here talking to
(28:53):
you on the podcast.
I could still be here, becausethat's just a part, but yeah, my
spirits feel a little depletedtoday.
Okay, that's that's important,to check in with yourself, and
that doesn't mean I'm gonna gotry to pick up my spirits.
It it's asking then did I dosomething to feed my spirit, to
(29:14):
feed my soul?
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
What nourishes this energy in the body that sustains
you?
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Yeah, it's the paradox.
So it's like the yoga practicesit's important to practice on
your own and it's important topractice in community.
(29:46):
I feel the challenges and sothat concept essentially, it's
like when I talk to you, it'slike taking responsibility right
for things in life and all thatstuff.
And there's always the impassewhere you're like, yes, yes,
it's me, it's me, I got to goinward and I got to work on
(30:07):
myself because it's my ownjourney and there's always the
other, there's always therelationship right With my
brother, my mother, my friends,my co-workers, my clients.
It's like in the spiritualjourney, you can never get hung
up on something.
You always have to be gentlymoving, gently moving just
(30:29):
enough, because if you get hungup on something, you're missing.
You're missing the dance.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yes, yes, you're missing the dance because you
made a story about something,because you didn't like it.
We go back to the yoga and theneuroscience.
That's spirituality and science.
They're very much one in thesame in many ways.
And the science of it is if I'mstuck in this story and I'm
still doing the same thing overand over again, then I'm not
(30:59):
feeding my spirit, I'm drainingmyself.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Because I'm not growing.
If you're not growing, you'redying.
That's a quote.
If you're not deepening yourrelationships with self, you're
dying.
And's a quote.
If you're not deepening yourrelationships with self, you're
dying.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
And.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
I apologize, I don't know.
We'll look up who quoted.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Who said that that might just be from like the
Shawshank Redemption Get busyliving or get busy dying.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
And that is what I've witnessed, or that's what my
dad did.
My dad just worked.
What I've witnessed or that'swhat my dad did my dad just
worked.
My dad worked, worked, worked.
My dad was a workaholic workedall the time cleaning, taking
odd jobs, doing whatever he hadto do, and as soon as he stopped
working he died 66 years old.
Done and what I mean?
(31:47):
He was sick and what I mean.
He was sick, copd, but it wasas soon as they closed his
business.
Four weeks later he died.
He had no love for anythingelse, no spirit.
His spirit was dull, yeah, butthe society we live in is get a
(32:07):
job, work, put your head down,save money and retire.
Yeah, but where's our spirit inthat?
Where's this life force?
And is it being drained?
Is it being filled, Sure.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
I mean, and look, there's great risk.
I mean, I think Gartoli it waslike he sat on a bench for six
years and didn't move right andthen he started to write his
books.
I mean, that's a pretty biggamble to decide.
You're going to sit on a benchfor six years and not move.
I mean, what did ParamahansaYoga do for money?
(32:42):
I mean, it's like Jesus acarpenter.
I mean, like, what my point isis that we're entertaining and
we've been fortunate enough tobe able to actually play with
these ideas.
But I don't for one secondpretend that this is an easy
thing to do, right?
(33:02):
I mean, and so I just wanted tobalance that you know for
listeners that it's like, yeah,this, you know economics, you
know economics, you know, if youhave a couple, children, etc.
Etc.
It's like yeah, no, no, we, we,we are a couple, that you know,
we live pretty simply and andthat living simply allows us to
(33:36):
entertain these things.
But otherwise I, I, you know, Imight just be like your dad.
That's how my dad was it justworked?
Speaker 2 (33:42):
yeah, dr hawkins, dr david hawkins, we love his books
.
Power Versus Force, truthVersus Falsehood what's the name
of this book?
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Discovery of the Presence of God.
What's the I?
One Eye of the Eye.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah, the Eye of God.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
He's got a whole catalog of he's dead now, but he
did amazing stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
He's a dead guy.
He studied the vibration ofpeople places and things.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
He kinesiologically tested every sentence in his
books for whether it was true ornot.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yes, and we discussed this a little in the trauma
episode that lying makes thebody go weak 50% weak or cursing
.
And cursing.
Yes, lying and cursing makesthe body go weak, which means it
turns off its innate ability toheal, to function, to produce
cells, to do its job and itsduties about 50% to 80% from
(34:44):
distorting reality or holdingthings in.
Now, if we just bring that backinto place here for a second,
what I just said, if you'relying, yeah, I love my job, I
love my job, I love my job or Ican deal with it.
That's what I hear a lot.
I could handle it Really andyou really can't.
(35:05):
That's a lie to yourself.
So you're not going to have astrong spirit.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Yeah, and that's not a complete sentence.
It's kind of more like I canhandle this and I just smoke a
pack of cigarettes a day.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Or yes, or watch TV or complain or get mad, and I've
done all these things to share.
When Dan and I are sharing andtalking about spirit, I had no
idea that there was more thanwhat was in front of me, and it
(35:39):
took a lot of yoga and practiceand brain training and curiosity
to hear things that I couldn'teven believe existed, and hear
things that I didn't even thinkcould happen, to the point where
I healed myself from a strokewhere the one doctor said most
people wouldn't come back fromthis the way you did.
(36:01):
That potentiality isn't inbooks.
I had to believe in somethingbigger and more this innate
intelligence that lives within.
So you know we're just startingthis conversation about spirit.
This is just letting it Jumpingin.
Yeah, becomeoneliving atgmailcom.
(36:23):
I'd love to hear, we would loveto hear your idea about spirit.
What does spirit mean to you?
What does spirit mean to you,what does spirituality mean to
you?
What do you do for that?
And we will keep theconversation going on this.
Thank you, and may you feedyour spirit today yeah.
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