January 20, 2025 • 26 mins
When the soul does not radiate it's own glory it is a sign that the thinking faculty has manifested itself in place of the soul. - BKS Iyengar
Welcome back as we continue to navigate the teachings of the Sutras. Have you ever wondered how your mind's stories may be steering you away from your true self? Our discussion, drawing from Iyengar’s insights, offers a fresh perspective on the fivefold movements of consciousness—valid knowledge, pervasive knowledge, illusion, sleep, and memory—helping you identify and navigate the fluctuations that hinder your presence and self-awareness.
Embrace the complexities of consciousness as we explore the balance of being both an observer and participant in your own life. Journey with us through the intricate dance of nostalgia and memory, and how these elements shape your reality. We delve into the ancient wisdom of spiritual texts, offering practical techniques for harnessing the courage to embrace new experiences and cultivate a mindset of non-attachment. We implore you to not just listen to this episode but reflect on your own experiences and explore what rises.
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Hello, welcome back to Become One Living, where
today we're going to talk alittle bit more of some
philosophical stuff in yoga thesutras.
We're returning to the sutrastoday.
Jodi's going to lead the way.
My name is Dan.
This is Jodi.
Welcome to Become One Living.
So today we're going to talkabout the sutras again.
(00:34):
Right and just so the audienceknows, the material that we've
covered up to now really is justthe surface.
I mean, we're just trying tointroduce the essential concepts
, the essential notions of whatthere is.
Because it just trying tointroduce the essential concepts
, the essential notions of whatthere is, because it just, you
know, once you start digging,you can go deep and deep and
deep and deep and deep, right,so what are we going to cover
today?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
In past episodes we have discussed up to the Yoga
Sutra 1.3.
And I want to lead into 1.4,1.5.
Going back to what Dan said, inYoga Sutra 1.2, there's a word
(01:16):
called chit.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Chit knowledge.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yoga, chitta virdi narodaha.
Yoga is the ceasing of thefluctuations of the mind, and in
chit alone there's three otheraspects of chit.
So when Dan just said, we'rejust touching the surface right
(01:39):
now.
This is just an introduction ofthe yoga sutras.
If you haven't heard them andinterpreted through me as close
as I can be and how I've usedthem and experienced them.
We will go back to the threedifferent chits, like buddhi,
(02:00):
manas Manas means mind, buddha,buddhi is intelligence,
amakaraaha kara is ego.
So, as I use one word, there'sso many more levels to it,
there's a depth to it, just likea depth in yoga right and it
has to be this way.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Just to reiterate that sanskrit is an energetic
language, right?
So the way you say something,the energetic form, if you add
an A before something, all ofthese things can change a word
and each word can have variousand sundry meanings depending on
the context of things.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yes, my philosophy teacher stated multiple times as
new people came in to sit byhim and listen, because it was
never written down.
It's an oral tradition that theword yoga has 150 meanings in
Sanskrit, but in the West it'sunion.
There isn't words sometimes inthe Western culture that can
(03:05):
describe.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Accurately with the depth.
Yes, how?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
it has this full life of its own.
So again I'm going to, when youget a glimpse of what life is
(03:29):
without a story, the truth oflife like what's here, without
your lens, your interpretation,you abide in a state of
neutrality.
You abide in a state ofconnectivity, of compassion, of
calm, of clarity.
When you yoga, okay, that'sSutra 1.3.
(03:52):
1.4 says and other times you'regoing to attach to an object,
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
So it honors the dance even between duality and
non-duality.
Yes, it honors the dance evenbetween duality and non-duality.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yes, and I want to read you this from Iyengar's
interpretation of the YogaSutras.
It says when the soul does notradiate its own glory, it is a
sign that the thinking facultyhas manifested itself in place
of the soul.
(04:24):
Thinking faculty has manifesteditself in place of the soul.
So when you're not present andbeing self, when you're not
neutral and self is livingthrough you, it's a sign that
your thinking, your intellect,your thinking faculties have
manifested itself, pretending tobe your soul.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Wow, it's like hijacked.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yes, yes, and that's why there's levels that
hijacking can occur.
That's Yoga Sutra 1.5.
It says that that object, orthe fluctuation of consciousness
, shows up in five differentways.
Yeah, this is big.
(05:07):
When someone says, hey, joe,jody, not many people call me
Joe, but when they say Jody, Iread the Yoga Sutras I'm like,
oh, congratulations.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
It's not a read.
These aren't books you read.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
These are a discussion and a study.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Unpacking yeah, discovering yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
So Sutra 1.3 says you abide in this state of calm
self highest potential.
And your highest potential isbeyond your intellect and your
limited thinking capacity,because most of us only believe
what we see.
So if we get into the intellectand now, we go to the
(05:48):
hippocampus and we pull frommemories and we bring them
forward.
Memories are one of the fivestates of fluctuations that we
want to cease.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Memories yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Because that can take you down a nostalgic road.
Memories, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Because that can take you down a nostalgic road.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yes, it can take you down a nostalgic road, but it
can also, dan, if you're actinga certain way, I can go back and
say I remember when my dad didthat and I could bring that
memory in and start to projectonto you what daddy did to me,
do you see?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Right and then essentially, you're not being
present.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yes, and now that soul, my soul, isn't radiating.
A story is radiating Gosh, aprojection.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Right.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Through a lens that was created a long time ago.
Lenses get created in childhoodand they can be created in womb
.
They could be generational,which that's not woo-woo-wee.
That's proven now that traumacan get passed down through
generation Remembering.
(06:58):
As children we imitate.
So if we imitate mom and dad,aunt and uncle, brothers,
sisters, we become them.
And yoga says sisters, webecome them.
And yoga says hey, stop thosestories.
Who are you really?
Who are you under that story?
When people say to me that'sjust who I am, is it really?
(07:19):
Who are you?
You're always a yeller.
Someone I know has a loud voice, talks really loud, and I said
do you think you could loweryour voice a little?
No, that's who I am, that's whoyou are.
You're a loud talker.
Yes, Congratulations.
That was a family member, bythe way, so I can say that it
(07:42):
wasn't a student.
But I and this person, thelouder they would speak, they
thought I heard them more.
Meanwhile I shut down, so I'mgoing to go back because I get
excited about this stuff, soYoga Sutra 1.1 says now there's
the system of yoga.
Two says says now there's thesystem of yoga.
Two says yoga is stopping thestories, these fluctuations.
(08:07):
Three says when you do attainthat, even briefly, you get a
hit of bliss, of peace, of void,of neutrality, then you
remember who you are.
I'm not a yoga teacher.
That's not just who I am, I'mnot just a wife.
I'm more than these things thatI too limit myself to think I
(08:32):
am and keep me from being otherthings too because of those
limitations.
And then we go into Sutra 1.4that says and then sometimes, my
friends, the fluctuations willhappen and you will attach to an
object, a food.
I'm not giving that up, I'm notgoing to give that food up.
(08:53):
Are you nuts?
We attach or to a job or to amarriage.
A marriage is a status.
We attach to statuses and inneuroscience I got to sneak this
in in neuroscience status, whenwe lose status, it's actually
(09:13):
seen as a physical threat.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Like painful.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yes, as if someone's going to take your life.
So losing a job in which you'rea VP and you hold that high in
status, that could feel as ifyou're dying.
It could feel like you're beingattacked and chased with a
knife or a gun, that someone isgoing to kill you.
That's what the braininterprets when status gets
(09:40):
impacted.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Wow, it's almost like status is proprioceptive.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Oh, say more.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
If you drive a car in the old days, before the screen
could help you back up, whathappens is your brain takes on
the entity of what you're in.
So when you're backing up you ayoga studio, if you're managing
(10:15):
the room with 17 people in it,your brain takes on that space.
So proprioceptively,essentially, you become that
whole space.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Oh my God, this guy.
So if you're going to lose yourarm or if somebody's
threatening you, you feel that?
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yeah, that's brilliant.
Because in friendship sometimesI struggle not being a teacher,
right?
I've been teaching since I canremember I I used to teach my
little cousins they're fiveyears younger when they lived
upstairs school when they werelike three, and I would yell at
them why can't you speak?
They're three, you know whycan't you speak?
(10:52):
They're three, you know whycan't you do your math.
So I was a teacher forever,right.
And in friendship, when I'mwalking with someone or talking
I have to I notice that I'mstill in teacher mode sometimes.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
That's this idea that we become an object.
My friends, do you understandthat?
It's not consciously that wewake up and say that, it's not
consciously that we wake up andsay I'm going to be this today.
I love what you said.
We take on that entity.
We become this whole thing.
Where you leave caretaking youcan't leave your caretaking role
at work because you're a bodyworker you come home and you
(11:30):
let's say, remain that, and thenyou think you are that.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Well, that's who I am , I'm a caretaker right oh my
god, this is blowing my own mind, but but the interact, the
interplay of, of the differentsutras too, it's like it's it.
It, like I said before, ithonors that in comes the wave
and you're all this stuff, andthen the wave retreats, recedes
and then there's a void.
(11:54):
It's like getting used to the Ijust love the word the dance of
all these things.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah, we'll talk in another episode about the dance
of consciousness.
We'll talk about Leela and thatplay of consciousness.
I want to introduce a word herenot in any of these sutras, but
for you to think about is donka, and donka means suffering.
Stay with me here.
(12:22):
It means suffering and it meansunsteady.
So what donka says is life issuffering that's in Buddhism and
it's in the yoga sutras issuffering, that's in Buddhism
and it's in the Yoga Sutras.
But all it's saying and peopleget mad when they hear oh, life
is suffering, why bother?
No, what it's saying is life isunstable.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
It's always changing, right, and look at how that
affects you, right.
So flash back and forth betweenthe neuroscience.
If we can honor the fact thatlife is unsteady, if we can
honor the fact that life isunsteady, then we can use a
synonym and say it'sunpredictable.
And the brain doesn't likeunpredictability, it prefers
predictability.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Right, right.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
However, although, and then, so it views it
dangerous yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
You can see it as dangerous, but there are little.
It's like working with thedough again.
It's like there are times whereyou want to stretch yourself a
little bit, because then youexpand in your awareness and
your consciousness and onceyou're aware of something, you
can't be unaware of something.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Once you know it, you can't unknow it, Right?
That's what usually happenswith my clients when we do yoga
therapy and IFS.
They go.
I don't know.
I'm suffering.
I'm so upset because I knowwhat I'm doing.
Now I'm witnessing myself dothis thing that I don't want to
do, and I can't unsee it.
What do I do?
Speaker 1 (13:47):
If you embark on this journey, you may have to leave
your family behind.
No comment, Judy.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Domerstadt, leave your family behind, do, do, do.
No comment.
Judy Domerstadt Any family.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
No, any family.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
I did run for the hills, I did leave my family
when I was very young, Anyway.
So vritti svarupyam itaratra.
That is, at other times theseer identifies with the
fluctuation of consciousness andthe mind wants to hook onto
something.
(14:23):
And you shared neuroscience I'mvery proud of you, Dan that
idea that neuroscience says welove predictability.
So there's nothing wrong withyou.
As we're talking about this, Iget people that say I can't calm
my mind, I can't sit still, Ican't focus.
Perfect, You're human.
There's nothing wrong with you.
(14:44):
It is that you have to train amind that was designed to be
hypervigilant, it's designed toscan for danger.
That's the prehistoric brain.
So we live with this brainstem,prehistoric primal brain,
longing to keep us alive, topredict what's going to happen.
(15:05):
And then here comes yoga sayinglet it go, man.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Go with the flow.
Well, it's like, oh my God,this is incredible.
So it's like hopping in aPorsche on an island, say,
Jersey, Like there's an islandoff the coast of Ireland and
it's called Jersey and there's alot of wealth there.
And there's these people withreally fast cars, really fast
(15:31):
cars, but there's nowhere to go.
Really fast cars, really fastcars, but there's nowhere to go.
You can't do like 300 miles anhour on a mile.
It's like a little Island,right.
But this, this ebb and flow,I'm of the belief that more and
(15:54):
more and more that if somebodyhas a question, the answer is
already there.
A question doesn't arisewithout you having some sense of
the answer.
So, and then the Bhagavad Gitaright, being the player and
seeing the field being, you knowyou're part of the field and
you're the knower of the field,right, it's like all of these
(16:16):
things, the more you can wrapyour head around that, that you
are at once it and not it.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Yes, you're both, it's always both.
And to go back to what you weresharing, this idea that we're
both right, that it's thispulsation of life.
We have to get really good atbeing with both, with something
(16:49):
happening and not liking it, orsomething we like.
We like it a lot and it leaving.
It's a process.
It's this pulsation and thedance of life.
Where.
How do we practice this?
I mean, I'm sorry, I'm, I can'teven get my thoughts because he
(17:11):
said so many amazing things.
I'm like what do I say fromhere?
Because he blows me away.
It invites a deeperconversation and that's what's
so overwhelming in the moment isI want to share so much, but I
want to come back to something.
You said that nostalgia isdangerous, because I'm going to
(17:35):
Sutra 1.5.
The movements of consciousnessare fivefold and they can be
painful or non-painful, theycould be recognizable or
unrecognizable, and that's whatyou just said.
So, after you attach to anobject, there's these five folds
(17:56):
of consciousness and one ismemories.
And now, if you're stuck in atraumatic state okay,
post-traumatic stress syndromeor trauma and you're stuck in
that, the lens you see is traumaand therefore you're projecting
that onto the world and peoplethink that's airy-fairy.
(18:16):
It's not.
It's actually your perceptionis altering what's happened
according to memories, accordingto an experience, and that's
when people say if you changeyour perspective, you see
differently.
That's not airy-fairy Like.
Life is a hologram, meaningyou're projecting through a lens
(18:36):
of your memories onto what'shappening.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
So you color it, you flavor it, instead of it just
being neutral in the presentmoment.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Yeah, Hallmark cards music, Nostalgia is like a
gazillion dollar business.
Hallmark cards music Nostalgiais like a gazillion dollar
business.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
To keep us where, stuck in, somewhere Attached,
yes, to that past memory.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Remember that time when, yes, and it's almost
cultural, it's like a cultureright.
And so as far as, like you know, having a podcast where we're
talking about the sutras, aspirit-led life, I mean, if I
(19:24):
didn't have you, it's a verylonely journey in terms of
practical day-to-day being,ascension, being earthly being.
It's pretty lonely because itrequires you to comes.
(19:45):
Calm.
Peace, quiet silence, alonenessbecome appealing.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
But yes, in the beginning you said this word in
other episodes courageous.
It's courageous at first to sayI want more than my memories.
I want to create new memories.
That entails so much of yogaabout being present.
If you're in memory, you're notpresent, then you're not doing
(20:18):
yoga.
Also, there's five differentstates of consciousness, so in
1.16, it shares what they areand I'm not going to go in depth
.
I want to read them to you andwe'll talk more about them.
Yes, One is valid knowledge,meaning you studied it and it's
(20:42):
validated.
The second is pervasiveknowledge.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Someone it's becoming commonly known.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Yes, the other is illusion Sleep meaning inertia,
you're dull, you're not awake.
Memory.
And we added in, we said twowords for some things like
inference, when you, when it'scloudy out and you say, oh, I
(21:16):
think it's going to rain right,because of this, you think this
yeah so these five states, wewill dive into them because each
five have subcategories, right.
So I just am kind of touchingthat we think the mind just
thinks in one way.
But the yoga sutras say there'smultiple ways.
(21:36):
And in IFS we say the samething internal family systems.
We say there's multiple partsthat come up that block you from
being in self energy.
So this says your brainfluctuates, the virtis, the
fluctuations.
And there's five differentmemory, sleep, incorrect
(21:59):
knowledge, right knowledge andinference.
I know, stay with me.
The rest of the sutras describethem in depth.
That's what we'll go into,because it gets really heady, my
friends.
That's why I'm skipping theheadiness, because I want to
share something.
How do you get through this?
(22:20):
Let's give you one point beforewe wrap up.
One point how?
Practice and non-attachment,Abhyasa and Vyagraham.
You keep practicing andpracticing, and practicing.
When you don't want to.
I have a hashtag that's calledno matter what, and I have
(22:45):
another one that we use at homelife or death.
When I want to change a habit,I understand that I am primal,
instinctual and I want to stayalive.
I'm a dinosaur, guys.
Okay, everyone listening, Jodigets in dinosaur mode.
She doesn't want to change.
I think it's life or death.
So when I want to wake up andmeditate I say it's life or
(23:09):
death.
That means I'm doing it becauseI want to live.
I want to know myself.
I want to know the trickery,the stories, the lies, the
rational rationalizations I makefor doing something.
So you have to keep practicingsomething in yoga Focus, and
(23:35):
then you have to be not attachedto the result of getting it or
not getting it.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
There's some good stuff, do you have?
Yeah, no, I don't have anythingto add, really, because I know
that we're going to continuethis journey.
It's just important, I think,for the audience to hear the
concepts so that they can joinin.
You know, one bite at a time,take time to chew, slow down.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yeah, I will go back and wrap up.
And the way the brain learns isrepetition over time.
If you think she says the samething over and over again, you
got me.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Congratulations.
And then one day, one dayyou'll really get her.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
And so the repetition over time is me teaching you
and sharing with you so that youbecome this.
I know Yoga Sutra 1 says yogais a gift.
Are you ready for it?
It's a system the stories, theattachments, the fluctuations.
(24:48):
Three allows you to find selfpeace, equanimity, calmness,
relaxation.
Then the fourth says andsometimes you're going to attach
back to that object because themind loves to think.
And then five says well, weattach or fluctuate in five
(25:11):
different ways and they could bevery painful or not painful,
and even when it's not painful,it could cause pain, meaning we
get attached to bliss and joyand sweetness and we don't want
to let that go.
And then in six, seven, eightand nine, we will dive in deeper
and deeper and deeper to thosefive fluctuations of
(25:34):
consciousness and leave you withthis Keep practicing and let go
of the results, just practiceand practice until you wake up
and you are different, you sitin self and meet self and you
live more in this spaciousnessof self and calm and
connectedness and compassion.
(25:55):
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Hello, welcome back to Become One Living, where
today we're going to talk alittle bit more of some
philosophical stuff in yoga thesutras.
We're returning to the sutrastoday.
Jodi's going to lead the way.
My name is Dan.
This is Jodi.
Welcome to Become One Living.
So today we're going to talkabout the sutras again.
(00:34):
Right and just so the audienceknows, the material that we've
covered up to now really is justthe surface.
I mean, we're just trying tointroduce the essential concepts
, the essential notions of whatthere is.
Because it just trying tointroduce the essential concepts
, the essential notions of whatthere is, because it just, you
know, once you start digging,you can go deep and deep and
deep and deep and deep, right,so what are we going to cover
today?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
In past episodes we have discussed up to the Yoga
Sutra 1.3.
And I want to lead into 1.4,1.5.
Going back to what Dan said, inYoga Sutra 1.2, there's a word
(01:16):
called chit.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Chit knowledge.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yoga, chitta virdi narodaha.
Yoga is the ceasing of thefluctuations of the mind, and in
chit alone there's three otheraspects of chit.
So when Dan just said, we'rejust touching the surface right
(01:39):
now.
This is just an introduction ofthe yoga sutras.
If you haven't heard them andinterpreted through me as close
as I can be and how I've usedthem and experienced them.
We will go back to the threedifferent chits, like buddhi,
(02:00):
manas Manas means mind, buddha,buddhi is intelligence,
amakaraaha kara is ego.
So, as I use one word, there'sso many more levels to it,
there's a depth to it, just likea depth in yoga right and it
has to be this way.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Just to reiterate that sanskrit is an energetic
language, right?
So the way you say something,the energetic form, if you add
an A before something, all ofthese things can change a word
and each word can have variousand sundry meanings depending on
the context of things.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yes, my philosophy teacher stated multiple times as
new people came in to sit byhim and listen, because it was
never written down.
It's an oral tradition that theword yoga has 150 meanings in
Sanskrit, but in the West it'sunion.
There isn't words sometimes inthe Western culture that can
(03:05):
describe.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Accurately with the depth.
Yes, how?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
it has this full life of its own.
So again I'm going to, when youget a glimpse of what life is
(03:29):
without a story, the truth oflife like what's here, without
your lens, your interpretation,you abide in a state of
neutrality.
You abide in a state ofconnectivity, of compassion, of
calm, of clarity.
When you yoga, okay, that'sSutra 1.3.
(03:52):
1.4 says and other times you'regoing to attach to an object,
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
So it honors the dance even between duality and
non-duality.
Yes, it honors the dance evenbetween duality and non-duality.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yes, and I want to read you this from Iyengar's
interpretation of the YogaSutras.
It says when the soul does notradiate its own glory, it is a
sign that the thinking facultyhas manifested itself in place
of the soul.
(04:24):
Thinking faculty has manifesteditself in place of the soul.
So when you're not present andbeing self, when you're not
neutral and self is livingthrough you, it's a sign that
your thinking, your intellect,your thinking faculties have
manifested itself, pretending tobe your soul.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Wow, it's like hijacked.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yes, yes, and that's why there's levels that
hijacking can occur.
That's Yoga Sutra 1.5.
It says that that object, orthe fluctuation of consciousness
, shows up in five differentways.
Yeah, this is big.
(05:07):
When someone says, hey, joe,jody, not many people call me
Joe, but when they say Jody, Iread the Yoga Sutras I'm like,
oh, congratulations.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
It's not a read.
These aren't books you read.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
These are a discussion and a study.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Unpacking yeah, discovering yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
So Sutra 1.3 says you abide in this state of calm
self highest potential.
And your highest potential isbeyond your intellect and your
limited thinking capacity,because most of us only believe
what we see.
So if we get into the intellectand now, we go to the
(05:48):
hippocampus and we pull frommemories and we bring them
forward.
Memories are one of the fivestates of fluctuations that we
want to cease.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Memories yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Because that can take you down a nostalgic road.
Memories, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Because that can take you down a nostalgic road.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yes, it can take you down a nostalgic road, but it
can also, dan, if you're actinga certain way, I can go back and
say I remember when my dad didthat and I could bring that
memory in and start to projectonto you what daddy did to me,
do you see?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Right and then essentially, you're not being
present.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yes, and now that soul, my soul, isn't radiating.
A story is radiating Gosh, aprojection.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Right.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Through a lens that was created a long time ago.
Lenses get created in childhoodand they can be created in womb
.
They could be generational,which that's not woo-woo-wee.
That's proven now that traumacan get passed down through
generation Remembering.
(06:58):
As children we imitate.
So if we imitate mom and dad,aunt and uncle, brothers,
sisters, we become them.
And yoga says sisters, webecome them.
And yoga says hey, stop thosestories.
Who are you really?
Who are you under that story?
When people say to me that'sjust who I am, is it really?
(07:19):
Who are you?
You're always a yeller.
Someone I know has a loud voice, talks really loud, and I said
do you think you could loweryour voice a little?
No, that's who I am, that's whoyou are.
You're a loud talker.
Yes, Congratulations.
That was a family member, bythe way, so I can say that it
(07:42):
wasn't a student.
But I and this person, thelouder they would speak, they
thought I heard them more.
Meanwhile I shut down, so I'mgoing to go back because I get
excited about this stuff, soYoga Sutra 1.1 says now there's
the system of yoga.
Two says says now there's thesystem of yoga.
Two says yoga is stopping thestories, these fluctuations.
(08:07):
Three says when you do attainthat, even briefly, you get a
hit of bliss, of peace, of void,of neutrality, then you
remember who you are.
I'm not a yoga teacher.
That's not just who I am, I'mnot just a wife.
I'm more than these things thatI too limit myself to think I
(08:32):
am and keep me from being otherthings too because of those
limitations.
And then we go into Sutra 1.4that says and then sometimes, my
friends, the fluctuations willhappen and you will attach to an
object, a food.
I'm not giving that up, I'm notgoing to give that food up.
(08:53):
Are you nuts?
We attach or to a job or to amarriage.
A marriage is a status.
We attach to statuses and inneuroscience I got to sneak this
in in neuroscience status, whenwe lose status, it's actually
(09:13):
seen as a physical threat.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Like painful.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yes, as if someone's going to take your life.
So losing a job in which you'rea VP and you hold that high in
status, that could feel as ifyou're dying.
It could feel like you're beingattacked and chased with a
knife or a gun, that someone isgoing to kill you.
That's what the braininterprets when status gets
(09:40):
impacted.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Wow, it's almost like status is proprioceptive.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Oh, say more.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
If you drive a car in the old days, before the screen
could help you back up, whathappens is your brain takes on
the entity of what you're in.
So when you're backing up you ayoga studio, if you're managing
(10:15):
the room with 17 people in it,your brain takes on that space.
So proprioceptively,essentially, you become that
whole space.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Oh my God, this guy.
So if you're going to lose yourarm or if somebody's
threatening you, you feel that?
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yeah, that's brilliant.
Because in friendship sometimesI struggle not being a teacher,
right?
I've been teaching since I canremember I I used to teach my
little cousins they're fiveyears younger when they lived
upstairs school when they werelike three, and I would yell at
them why can't you speak?
They're three, you know whycan't you speak?
(10:52):
They're three, you know whycan't you do your math.
So I was a teacher forever,right.
And in friendship, when I'mwalking with someone or talking
I have to I notice that I'mstill in teacher mode sometimes.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
That's this idea that we become an object.
My friends, do you understandthat?
It's not consciously that wewake up and say that, it's not
consciously that we wake up andsay I'm going to be this today.
I love what you said.
We take on that entity.
We become this whole thing.
Where you leave caretaking youcan't leave your caretaking role
at work because you're a bodyworker you come home and you
(11:30):
let's say, remain that, and thenyou think you are that.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Well, that's who I am , I'm a caretaker right oh my
god, this is blowing my own mind, but but the interact, the
interplay of, of the differentsutras too, it's like it's it.
It, like I said before, ithonors that in comes the wave
and you're all this stuff, andthen the wave retreats, recedes
and then there's a void.
(11:54):
It's like getting used to the Ijust love the word the dance of
all these things.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah, we'll talk in another episode about the dance
of consciousness.
We'll talk about Leela and thatplay of consciousness.
I want to introduce a word herenot in any of these sutras, but
for you to think about is donka, and donka means suffering.
Stay with me here.
(12:22):
It means suffering and it meansunsteady.
So what donka says is life issuffering that's in Buddhism and
it's in the yoga sutras issuffering, that's in Buddhism
and it's in the Yoga Sutras.
But all it's saying and peopleget mad when they hear oh, life
is suffering, why bother?
No, what it's saying is life isunstable.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
It's always changing, right, and look at how that
affects you, right.
So flash back and forth betweenthe neuroscience.
If we can honor the fact thatlife is unsteady, if we can
honor the fact that life isunsteady, then we can use a
synonym and say it'sunpredictable.
And the brain doesn't likeunpredictability, it prefers
predictability.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Right, right.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
However, although, and then, so it views it
dangerous yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
You can see it as dangerous, but there are little.
It's like working with thedough again.
It's like there are times whereyou want to stretch yourself a
little bit, because then youexpand in your awareness and
your consciousness and onceyou're aware of something, you
can't be unaware of something.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Once you know it, you can't unknow it, Right?
That's what usually happenswith my clients when we do yoga
therapy and IFS.
They go.
I don't know.
I'm suffering.
I'm so upset because I knowwhat I'm doing.
Now I'm witnessing myself dothis thing that I don't want to
do, and I can't unsee it.
What do I do?
Speaker 1 (13:47):
If you embark on this journey, you may have to leave
your family behind.
No comment, Judy.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Domerstadt, leave your family behind, do, do, do.
No comment.
Judy Domerstadt Any family.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
No, any family.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
I did run for the hills, I did leave my family
when I was very young, Anyway.
So vritti svarupyam itaratra.
That is, at other times theseer identifies with the
fluctuation of consciousness andthe mind wants to hook onto
something.
(14:23):
And you shared neuroscience I'mvery proud of you, Dan that
idea that neuroscience says welove predictability.
So there's nothing wrong withyou.
As we're talking about this, Iget people that say I can't calm
my mind, I can't sit still, Ican't focus.
Perfect, You're human.
There's nothing wrong with you.
(14:44):
It is that you have to train amind that was designed to be
hypervigilant, it's designed toscan for danger.
That's the prehistoric brain.
So we live with this brainstem,prehistoric primal brain,
longing to keep us alive, topredict what's going to happen.
(15:05):
And then here comes yoga sayinglet it go, man.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Go with the flow.
Well, it's like, oh my God,this is incredible.
So it's like hopping in aPorsche on an island, say,
Jersey, Like there's an islandoff the coast of Ireland and
it's called Jersey and there's alot of wealth there.
And there's these people withreally fast cars, really fast
(15:31):
cars, but there's nowhere to go.
Really fast cars, really fastcars, but there's nowhere to go.
You can't do like 300 miles anhour on a mile.
It's like a little Island,right.
But this, this ebb and flow,I'm of the belief that more and
(15:54):
more and more that if somebodyhas a question, the answer is
already there.
A question doesn't arisewithout you having some sense of
the answer.
So, and then the Bhagavad Gitaright, being the player and
seeing the field being, you knowyou're part of the field and
you're the knower of the field,right, it's like all of these
(16:16):
things, the more you can wrapyour head around that, that you
are at once it and not it.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Yes, you're both, it's always both.
And to go back to what you weresharing, this idea that we're
both right, that it's thispulsation of life.
We have to get really good atbeing with both, with something
(16:49):
happening and not liking it, orsomething we like.
We like it a lot and it leaving.
It's a process.
It's this pulsation and thedance of life.
Where.
How do we practice this?
I mean, I'm sorry, I'm, I can'teven get my thoughts because he
(17:11):
said so many amazing things.
I'm like what do I say fromhere?
Because he blows me away.
It invites a deeperconversation and that's what's
so overwhelming in the moment isI want to share so much, but I
want to come back to something.
You said that nostalgia isdangerous, because I'm going to
(17:35):
Sutra 1.5.
The movements of consciousnessare fivefold and they can be
painful or non-painful, theycould be recognizable or
unrecognizable, and that's whatyou just said.
So, after you attach to anobject, there's these five folds
(17:56):
of consciousness and one ismemories.
And now, if you're stuck in atraumatic state okay,
post-traumatic stress syndromeor trauma and you're stuck in
that, the lens you see is traumaand therefore you're projecting
that onto the world and peoplethink that's airy-fairy.
(18:16):
It's not.
It's actually your perceptionis altering what's happened
according to memories, accordingto an experience, and that's
when people say if you changeyour perspective, you see
differently.
That's not airy-fairy Like.
Life is a hologram, meaningyou're projecting through a lens
(18:36):
of your memories onto what'shappening.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
So you color it, you flavor it, instead of it just
being neutral in the presentmoment.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Yeah, Hallmark cards music, Nostalgia is like a
gazillion dollar business.
Hallmark cards music Nostalgiais like a gazillion dollar
business.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
To keep us where, stuck in, somewhere Attached,
yes, to that past memory.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Remember that time when, yes, and it's almost
cultural, it's like a cultureright.
And so as far as, like you know, having a podcast where we're
talking about the sutras, aspirit-led life, I mean, if I
(19:24):
didn't have you, it's a verylonely journey in terms of
practical day-to-day being,ascension, being earthly being.
It's pretty lonely because itrequires you to comes.
(19:45):
Calm.
Peace, quiet silence, alonenessbecome appealing.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
But yes, in the beginning you said this word in
other episodes courageous.
It's courageous at first to sayI want more than my memories.
I want to create new memories.
That entails so much of yogaabout being present.
If you're in memory, you're notpresent, then you're not doing
(20:18):
yoga.
Also, there's five differentstates of consciousness, so in
1.16, it shares what they areand I'm not going to go in depth
.
I want to read them to you andwe'll talk more about them.
Yes, One is valid knowledge,meaning you studied it and it's
(20:42):
validated.
The second is pervasiveknowledge.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Someone it's becoming commonly known.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Yes, the other is illusion Sleep meaning inertia,
you're dull, you're not awake.
Memory.
And we added in, we said twowords for some things like
inference, when you, when it'scloudy out and you say, oh, I
(21:16):
think it's going to rain right,because of this, you think this
yeah so these five states, wewill dive into them because each
five have subcategories, right.
So I just am kind of touchingthat we think the mind just
thinks in one way.
But the yoga sutras say there'smultiple ways.
(21:36):
And in IFS we say the samething internal family systems.
We say there's multiple partsthat come up that block you from
being in self energy.
So this says your brainfluctuates, the virtis, the
fluctuations.
And there's five differentmemory, sleep, incorrect
(21:59):
knowledge, right knowledge andinference.
I know, stay with me.
The rest of the sutras describethem in depth.
That's what we'll go into,because it gets really heady, my
friends.
That's why I'm skipping theheadiness, because I want to
share something.
How do you get through this?
(22:20):
Let's give you one point beforewe wrap up.
One point how?
Practice and non-attachment,Abhyasa and Vyagraham.
You keep practicing andpracticing, and practicing.
When you don't want to.
I have a hashtag that's calledno matter what, and I have
(22:45):
another one that we use at homelife or death.
When I want to change a habit,I understand that I am primal,
instinctual and I want to stayalive.
I'm a dinosaur, guys.
Okay, everyone listening, Jodigets in dinosaur mode.
She doesn't want to change.
I think it's life or death.
So when I want to wake up andmeditate I say it's life or
(23:09):
death.
That means I'm doing it becauseI want to live.
I want to know myself.
I want to know the trickery,the stories, the lies, the
rational rationalizations I makefor doing something.
So you have to keep practicingsomething in yoga Focus, and
(23:35):
then you have to be not attachedto the result of getting it or
not getting it.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
There's some good stuff, do you have?
Yeah, no, I don't have anythingto add, really, because I know
that we're going to continuethis journey.
It's just important, I think,for the audience to hear the
concepts so that they can joinin.
You know, one bite at a time,take time to chew, slow down.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yeah, I will go back and wrap up.
And the way the brain learns isrepetition over time.
If you think she says the samething over and over again, you
got me.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Congratulations.
And then one day, one dayyou'll really get her.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
And so the repetition over time is me teaching you
and sharing with you so that youbecome this.
I know Yoga Sutra 1 says yogais a gift.
Are you ready for it?
It's a system the stories, theattachments, the fluctuations.
(24:48):
Three allows you to find selfpeace, equanimity, calmness,
relaxation.
Then the fourth says andsometimes you're going to attach
back to that object because themind loves to think.
And then five says well, weattach or fluctuate in five
(25:11):
different ways and they could bevery painful or not painful,
and even when it's not painful,it could cause pain, meaning we
get attached to bliss and joyand sweetness and we don't want
to let that go.
And then in six, seven, eightand nine, we will dive in deeper
and deeper and deeper to thosefive fluctuations of
(25:34):
consciousness and leave you withthis Keep practicing and let go
of the results, just practiceand practice until you wake up
and you are different, you sitin self and meet self and you
live more in this spaciousnessof self and calm and
connectedness and compassion.
(25:55):
Cool, become one.
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