February 25, 2025 • 65 mins
This episode originally aired on YouTube on February 23, 2025.
In this episode, we delve into the intricate lexicon of Scientology, exploring key terms like “blown,” “Xenu,” and “overts” to understand their meaning and underlying implications on members. Through a nuanced discussion of how language functions as a control mechanism within the church, we uncover the profound effects of these terms on identity, belief, and community cohesion.
• Discusses the term "blown" and its implications for those who leave Scientology
• Explains the concept of Xenu and its significance in the church
• Explores "overts and withholds" as mechanisms for moral policing within the group
• Examines the role of "implants" and "Thetan" in members’ spiritual beliefs
• Analyzes the principles of ARC and their impact on communication within Scientology
We're also sharing some exciting updates about our channel and a new giveaway at the end of the show!
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Hey guys, welcome back to the channel.
I'm Mark Hedley and I am joinedtoday by my lovely wife, claire
.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hello everybody, thank you for being here.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Claire, hello everybody, thank you for being
here.
Hopefully you guys can hear usand hopefully we look good and
sound good.
We're a little bit rusty.
We haven't done this in a whileand, yeah, we're having all
kinds of fun.
If you want to tell us in thecomments where you're watching
from today, we always like to dothat at the beginning of the
video and then, if you addhashtag Zinu into the comments,
(00:47):
you will be entered into ourgiveaway that we're going to do
at the end of the end of theshow today.
If we, if we end up, if we getthrough what we're where we have
lined up a little early, wemight do a Q and a, but no
matter what, we'll do a giveawayat the uh, at the end of the
stream yes and um people arecommenting on your beard, honey
(01:10):
oh well, the beard.
Oh yes, I do have a beard now,because I was in the northeast
for uh for the winter and, um,yeah, it was uh, it was very
cold, it was single digits orlower.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Um didn't you say it was negative 10 degrees?
Your first day on site?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
It was some unbearable temperatures, but we
made it.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
We thought we had it bad here in Colorado, but hell
no, maine is much colder.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Yeah, it was very cold.
Claire just gave up my location.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Oh, an entire state yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I was in Maine.
Scientology couldn't find me.
Um, anyway, yeah, so it's allgood we're back.
Um, we, uh, we've.
We built this fancy studio inthe basement and, uh, got it all
set up so we could move out ofmy Depeche Mode listening room,
which is where my, our setup was, my setup was, and Claire had
(02:10):
hers in her office.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, and office and studio don't really combine well
together.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
So you know, when you it's just mixing topics,
accounting and exposingScientology are a little
challenging, for Zoom calls tohave all the paraphernalia being
appropriate yeah, we um, we gotthe studio, we got the, the
listening room back and then webuilt all this up and um, and
then we uh, stopped doing videosbecause I went off to do work
(02:35):
and claire had work and butwe're back, we're gonna try to
do this.
I have another project that I'mjust about to start.
Actually, tomorrow is reallythe first big day, but then I'll
be doing that for a few weeks.
Then I got to go off to anotherstate and then we'll try to do
(02:55):
the Sundays.
As long as I'm in town, we'lltry to do Sundays.
But let's put up some of thesefolks and where they're coming
from.
Yes, did you star any?
You want to?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
put them up.
I starred a bunch, yeah, butI'll star some more, and it's
good to see Catherine here.
Thank you, catherine, clara.
Thank you, clara.
Thanks for your help.
Okay, suzanne Keller.
Hello, mark and Claire.
Sue from Michigan, good to seeyou here.
Silvo Sings, england.
(03:26):
Awesome.
Michelle from Long Island, newYork.
Good to see you.
Bock Buddy, minnesota.
Betsy Sue, just call me Betsy.
Hello, betsy.
Greetings from Myrtle Beach,south Carolina.
Katrina Lunn hey, hey guys.
Welcome back from Reading, uk.
(03:47):
Hi, petrina, nice.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Awesome Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
And, of course, I saw we have apostate Alex here.
Danielle Chamberlain, thanksfor joining us.
Let's see.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Oh, Tracy, you got to do.
You got to do that with the X.
I only have it one way, so yougot to go X-E-N-U.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
To get in because it's looking for that exact text
to enter into win.
So make sure you spell Xenuwith an X.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yes, but once you've spelled it with an X, you only
need to do one.
Oh, and I saw Jacob Harkey ishere.
Good to see you, jacob, thanks,you only need to do one.
Oh, and I saw Jacob Hark.
He is here.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Good to see you, Jacob.
Thanks for joining us, mattDenny.
Yay Kind of long.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah, it's been a minute, hasn't it?
Yeah, it is good to be back.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Oh yeah, there's apostate, alex.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
There we go.
Hey at SP Crusader Leany, therewe go, mark, missed you.
Mark from Merrimack, NewHampshire.
Awesome, nice, yes.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Awesome guys.
Well, today we wanted to dosomething a little different and
this may or may not have beendone on other channels, where
they give you Scientologydefinitions or Scientology words
and explain them to you.
We just thought it would be funto do this and we a lot of
people that watch the channel,we assume have been here and
(05:12):
watched tons of episodes and allthat other stuff.
But then we do have new peoplethat every once in a while come
in and it's always good for youguys just to get a refresher on
the Scientology crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah, and for me, the reason I wanted to do this is
because I've been reading thebook Cultish.
I've been reading all kinds ofbooks, but Cultish really talks
about some of the semantics anduse of language to control
people, and I think that that'sa really important part to talk
(05:45):
about, specifically inScientology, because in my mind,
a lot of the language andconcepts program you to
eventually do the work yourselfin addition to them doing the
work of keeping you in the cult,and it makes it very difficult
to get out, and you and I havetalked about when we first got
(06:06):
out and we're in Kansas city,missouri we, cold Turkey,
stopped using the language, noteven realizing the power of it.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
You know I mean you have to.
I would always give up you.
I was like don't talk, likethat Don't talk and that we
would.
I want to say for probably ayear or so at least right,
probably a year or so we didn'tuse any of that language and we
knew it was good when we had totry to figure out what's the
(06:34):
real world word for the samesort of thing.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah, and to me there's two pieces of this.
Number one there's the controlmechanisms that in your mind you
start doing the work,inadvertently, of keeping
yourself in, like in my case, Iwas taught that language before
I was even taught the Englishlanguage.
I was taught Scientology as myfirst language really from the
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age of four.
But also it's just so bizarrehow there are so many words in
Scientology that mean somethingcompletely different than what
it means in the real world andit trips you up.
And anyway, we've, we've talkedabout it many times but we
figured you know, hey, let's,let's talk about this and really
break it down and we can kindof talk about some of our
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experiences associated withthose words as well, some of our
experiences associated withthose words as well.
And for anyone watching, ifthere's words that you think we
should add and talk about, let'sdo it.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Yeah, we'll do whatever.
We just picked a few for today.
We're getting back into thiswhere we didn't you know we
didn't go.
It wasn't some massive.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
It's not some deep dives that we're doing here, not
a whole lot of planning, justfun conversation, as we usually
do.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
And, to be honest, I just wanted a way to work in
some stuff that I've been doing,and so Claire said, hey, why
don't we do Scientology words?
And I said, okay, maybe you doone and then I do one, and we'll
go back and forth like that,and she was like perfect, so you
ready.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Okay, without further ado, we got the first word.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Below definition and unauthorized leave or departure.
Anyone who leaves Scientologywithout permission is considered
blown, as many people arebrought back after they escape
or leave.
Some who are blown for goodcannot be gotten back.
So this is obviously a goodword to talk about, because your
(08:36):
book is blown for good behindthe iron curtain of Scientology.
You started posting veryinitially as anonymously as
blown for good, but anyone who'sbeen in the world of
Scientology that statement blownfor good is really like okay,
(08:56):
game on, you ain't going back,yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Blown in the C organization.
Within Scientology, blow orblown is the same as going AWOL.
Yes, but if you go, if you're aregular, you can blow as a
regular Scientologist as well.
If you leave a course, ifyou're doing a course or
studying a course in Scientologyand they say if you're blown
(09:20):
from the course, that means youjust stopped doing the course.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yep loan from the course.
That means you just stoppeddoing the course, Yep.
And also, so there's yeah,you're right, there's levels of
unauthorized departure.
But also let's talk about thefact that, okay, we always use
the word escape because it isescape when you have below
builds in several concepts in aScientologist's mind Number one,
(09:46):
that you have to haveauthorization to leave, you do
not.
And number two, it also buildsinto it, because of many
different Hubbard concepts andpolicies and whatever that you
study over and over and overagain, that the only reason
anyone ever leaves is becausethey've done bad things.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah, they either have misunderstood words or they
have overts and withholds whichwe're going to get to or both.
We'll get to this later.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
And that is coercive control, completely, 100%,
because it makes you think, oh,if you want to leave, you must
have done bad things.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Yeah, exactly, or you don't understand something.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Okay, so that was your word.
Okay, now let's do my word.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Xenu.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Surprise, surprise.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Xenu is an intergalactic alien.
It was tasked with solvingoverpopulation and did so by
bringing billions of aliens toEarth, dumped them into
volcanoes, froze their spirits,which then attached themselves
to humans.
This is a very interesting one,because Scientologists
themselves they deny that thereis such thing as Xenu.
(11:03):
If you just ask somebody inScientology about Xenu, they'll
say there's no such thing.
We don't know what you'retalking about.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
But we should clarify they deny it, not because it's
not true, but because they'renot allowed.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Well, there's actually two reasons they deny
it.
The main reason they deny it isbecause, as a Scientologist,
you genuinely do not know whatthe person's talking about.
Because in the levels ofScientology you don't learn
about Xenu until what's calledthe operating Thetan levels and
you don't learn about Xenu untiloperating Thetan level three.
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So a majority of Scientologistshave not achieved that level,
so they don't know about Xenuand it's a secret in Scientology
.
It's called confidential.
These operating Phaeton levels,all of the operating Phaeton
levels, from one all the way upto 15, are confidential and
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Scientologists are, even ifthey're at those levels.
They're not allowed to discussthat with other Scientologists.
So you have this thing whereScientologists themselves can't
talk about Xenu.
If somebody asks you about Xenu, you suppressive act in
Scientology because you'rediscussing upper level
confidential materials whichHubbard believed, if you weren't
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at that level, that learningabout that level would cause you
to get pneumonia and die.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
We need a music video of we can't talk about Xenu.
We don't talk about Xenu.
We don't talk about Xenu.
We don't talk about zinu.
We don't talk about zinu.
We don't talk about zinu.
We don't talk about zinu anyway.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
So that's zinu, and there's a nice little picture of
him there as well okay.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
So let me just comment for a moment, because
somebody wants to comment?
Yeah, everybody stop hold thepresses hold the press while
it's on you.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah, oh, you want it's like, it's on you.
I want to talk.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
So I know that your whole thing is that you know
Xenu and the body Thetans looklike aliens, but do they
actually look like aliens?
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Can't they be normal people?
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Here's the thing, people, I mean it seems kind of
judgmental.
Listen, listen here.
Okay, nobody's trying to callanybody out for being a little
green.
You know what I'm saying.
But, to be honest, when Xenu,if we're going to go back to,
I'll go back to the slide allthese aliens into the volcanoes.
(13:43):
Um, he had these giant machinesthat caught them as their souls
left the volcanoes.
And then, um, and then he, hegathered all those guys up and
then he did some stuff, whichwe're going to talk about later
in the video.
But, um, the thing I wanted tosay was that in scientology, we
actually we got to do, then wehave to do the next words,
(14:03):
because it sort of explains allthis Claire's jumping, claire's
jumping the gun.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
I just didn't want to forget that, you know.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
No one's going to forget.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
And let's put it back on Claire and let's give her
the next word.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
All right, overts and withholds or OWs, and that's
another piece of Scientology.
Everything is an acronymEverything, and that's another
piece of Scientology.
Everything is an acronym,everything.
Definition Acts that go andthis is over it's acts that go
against the mores of the group,anything that is determined to
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be against Scientology oragainst Scientology's rules, we
could add withholds are actsthat the person is worried that
someone will find out about.
Yeah, so they go togetherbecause, like, as an example,
billy steals an apple and thenhe withholds from his mom that
he stole an apple and he doesn'ttell his mom.
And you know, anyway, you getinto the whole cycle.
And again, this is importantand ties in with the word blow
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or blown, because, as we talkedabout, a Scientologist believes
that the only reason they wouldever even consider leaving
Scientology is because they'vedone bad things, which is, of
course, a complete fallacy andgaslights you into staying in a
dangerous cult.
I made it with hold, with holdsinstead of with holds, right,
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yeah as we said, we did not do awhole lot of uh planning or
review here sorry about to befair, just claire.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Didn't spell check my work.
That's really all that happened, she would have fixed that in a
second if she would have lookedat it.
Yep true okay, so that's a goodone.
And that kind of ties in to thenext thing that we're going to
do, which is implant An implantin Scientology.
Basically, after Xenu froze thealien souls that tried to
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escape from the volcanoes, heput them all in front of a giant
projection screens and showedthem images of Christ, the man
on the cross, angels, demons andother images.
And this is the reason whyScientology believe.
These implants are why peoplebelieve in all these different
things and basically otherreligions or religions, period
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instead of Scientology.
And Another thing sorry, Igot't believe in any other
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religions except for Scientologyas a belief system, or that you
know any other gods or anythinglike that.
And a lot of Scientologistsdon't know this yet because they
haven't gotten to operatinglevel, operating fate in level
three, so that that soundaccurate.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah, yeah, I lost a little bit of the thought there,
but I did want to say toimplants are not limited to the
upper levels.
So, for example, one of themost commonly talked about
implants is called the betweenlives implant, which Hubbard
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talks about, that when someonedrops their body aka dies or
passes away that they are, thenthey go to the between lives
implant where they arereprogrammed, made to forget
everything, and then they, thenthey go and pick up a new body.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
This is perfect.
I'm going to put up your wordbecause this ties into your word
.
So, this is the next word isThetan.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yeah, but by the way, also, jacob Harkey asked a
really good question of areengrams and implants related?
And so, yes, an implant isconsidered to be an engram.
There are many differentengrams, but yes, anyway, great
question.
So Thetan Thetan not pronouncedThetan.
Uh, as Scientology's well-paidlawyers sometimes said in our
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depositions, which was terribly,just go, they are clueless.
Come on now.
Definition a person's immortalspiritual identity or soul.
Thetans are believed to passfrom one body to another.
Yeah, so thetan isScientology's word for soul.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
I'll take that off, because there was another typo
in that one too.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Oh my gosh, so many typos.
So sorry guys so sorry.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
I just cranked them down like 10 minutes.
Okay, look at this.
It's got a little scientologywords, it's got yes, they're all
the same there was.
It was a lot of work that went.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
A lot of five minutes worth of work that went into
making yeah, and, to be fair,obviously I had no involvement
in that work, so I will not takeany credit nor discredit for
missing your typos.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Yeah, somebody said I like this, it's Satan with a
lisp.
That is exactly there you go,satan.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah, and even that, like it seems intentional by
Hubbard.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, I don't know about that.
I mean he was up to all kindsof nonsense.
I don't know if he, if he wasany method to a lot of the
madness, okay so, but the thingI wanted to tie it in is that
they believe it says at the end,where there's no typos Thetans
are believed to pass from onebody to another.
So when they in Scientologythey believe that when you die,
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your Thetan finds a new body andthen is the soul of that new
body.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yeah, and goes and picks up a new body.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yeah, and I think the reason that Hubbard then
decided later on, when he madeup body thetans or when he
learned about body thetans, whenhe learned the truth about body
thetans, that he already hadthe word Satan.
So he was like, well, what arethe ones that are attached to
your body, that aren't your soul?
(20:14):
That aren't your soul, but justthese like hitchhiker souls.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
They're what?
Do you call it Lemmings or?
Speaker 1 (20:21):
whatever they're body things.
We like to call it spacecooties, that's much.
I think Tony Ortega might havebeen the one that coined the
term or coined the phrase spacecooties, and I like space
cooties more than anything else.
I thought, I thought that camefrom you, because Well, I say it
all the time, but I think I gotit from Tony, I don't remember,
but space cooties is good,space Cooties is very Space
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Cooties.
They're cooties, but they'refrom space.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Right, and it ties in perfectly with the whole.
Xenu is my homeboy theme thatyou love so much.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah, I own the domain.
By the way, xenu is my homeboy.
I own that.
I actually own that.
I have all that.
That's my IP.
Xenu is my homeboy.
I've been saying it for 20years now.
I probably won't stop.
Okay, let's see what we gothere.
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Thetan, we did Thetan.
Okay, it's time for my one.
Body Thetan.
Yeah, there you go.
So definition the disembodiedspirit that is attached to a
human body.
Scientologists believe that allhuman bodies are inhabited by
body things which can causemental illness and bad emotions.
So that is literally what youlearn about on these upper
levels and when you get is it OTseven, like there's all
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different levels of operatingthing, levels where you're
basically doing stuff with thebody Thetans.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Oh yeah, from from three to seven is all is all
about that.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah, so from operating level three, four,
five, six and seven, all arededicated to dealing with body
Thetans.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Hold on.
I got to tell you this.
Somebody said so.
Recat 99 said said I misheardit as face cooties at first.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
That's amazing yeah, face cooties.
That's what the makeup industryis very interested in get rid
of face cooties.
Okay, scientology they'reworking on the space I would
prefer to remove my face cootiesthat's uh some people,
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depending on where you're from,that's what they consider a
beard face cooties or boogers,you know whatever.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
There's other things that could mean okay, now I'm
completely.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I don't know what we were talking about, but it's
claire's.
It's time for claire's wordokay, but anyway.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Somebody was also commenting that our definitions
here are, um, what would becalled, in scientology, verbal
tech, because, um, we're notquoting the exact words of
hubbard.
And there's a reason for that,because if we were to use the
exact policies, we would go downso many rabbit holes we would
get lost in just talking aboutcrazy words, right?
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, well, the thing is that in Scientologies they
have dictionaries.
They have actually they havemultiple dictionaries.
They have a technicaldictionary, they have an
administration dictionary, theyhave a lot of words that Hubbard
made up and there's a lot ofwords that are actually.
They have a.
Completely.
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It's just the same regularEnglish word, but it has a
completely different definition,like almost the opposite
definition, and I was trying tothink of one of those and we
didn't really cover it heretoday.
But I'll just say what it is.
It's called reasonable.
I'm trying to think of one ofthose and we didn't really cover
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it here today, but I'll justsay what it is.
It's called reasonable.
Reasonable in the real worldjust means like oh, that's based
on reason.
They just figure out a reasonwhy there's a problem and then
you don't have to solve theproblem and then you just give
in to not solving the problemand that's called being
reasonable.
So it's a.
In Scientology it is a badthing to be reasonable, and that
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is that makes that checks out,because they're not very
reasonable at all Right.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Ok, so you reminded me of another really, really
important one to talk about,just like that, which is
critical.
Critical if you're for aScientologist, if you're being
critical, that's a bad thing andit means you have committed
overts and withholds, so, and itmeans that.
So if I say, hey, mark, youdidn't do a good job on that,
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that's me being critical and itmeans I've done bad things to
you, right?
Speaker 1 (24:53):
It means you have over it's against me.
Yeah, exactly.
Or withholds, yeah, Okay.
So let's do Claire's next word.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
A-R-C.
Oh, my God.
Definition A-R-C is A foraffinity, which in Scientology
they do not use the word love ortrue love, or very rarely.
The language is affinityreplaces the word love, actually
.
Um, so a scientologist will belike oh I, I have a lot of
affinity, I have a lot ofaffinity for you, honey.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Um, yeah, they do say that a lot, or they.
You know I really had a lot ofaffinity for that building or
for that car.
When the car, you know I reallyhad a lot of affinity for that
car.
I'm so sad that it got totaled.
Yeah, anyway.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
And the next one is reality.
The R is for reality, which isyour agreement, like being able
to agree or relate to somebodyabout something and then see,
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obviously, communication.
That's self-explanatory and forthe most part, except that
there is just so much mechanicsbuilt into communication, which
is, I think, what causes a lotof the um, I don't know.
I would say Scientologist isconstantly trying to control.
They're not just having aconversation.
(26:31):
It's like I have to ask you aquestion and it has to go up at
the end and you have to give ananswer to that.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
When you say up at the end, the end of the question
is like do you like birds?
Do birds fly.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Do birds fly?
Speaker 1 (26:45):
It has to if you birds, do birds fly?
Do birds fly?
It has to.
If you say, do birds fly,that's not a question.
If you say do birds fly, that'sa question.
And this is something inScientology.
You spend hundreds, if notthousands, of hours having to
perfect how you ask questions.
When you ask a question, theperson has to understand the
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question.
Then they have to acknowledgethat you said something.
Then they have to answer thequestion, then you have to
acknowledge that they answeredit and all these things.
So if you listen to TV orpodcasts or interviews, that
host will ask a question andthen the person will answer it
and then the host will just askanother question and in this
drive Scientologists that arelistening to these things it's
(27:30):
like breaking their circuitry,like, oh my God, he never
acknowledges that person, henever like they when he asks the
question and then they answerthe question.
In the real world, the answer tothe question is an
acknowledgement that you saidsomething and then, once you
said that, they ask the nextquestion.
There's not like we don't,there's not a whole cluster over
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the mechanics and thesignificances of what you said
than what I said.
Then you have to acknowledgewhat I said, then I have to
acknowledge what you said.
It's inside.
They really, in Scientology,attach a lot of significances.
But the other thing that yougot to read the rest of it.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
OK In Scientology, if you have all three of these
things, it should result inunderstanding, or it actually
will.
The theory is that affinity,reality and communication all
together add up to understanding, and that's why it's the ARC
triangle is how it's depicted inScientology.
If one of these things has beendamaged meaning affinity,
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reality, communication orlowered, this is considered an
ARC break or upset, and I'm surethat people would.
I've actually listened toScientology books that like on
Audible audible where the personreads it as arc break and it
drives me nuts because it's justone of those things Like when
you say Scientology book, whatare you?
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talking about A book aboutScientology.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
No, no, no, no, no, oh, when like oh, yeah, memoir.
Yeah, we know that that's right, you're like dude.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
that's not authentic.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
It's not arc break.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
We won't say who's's that you'll have to listen to
them.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
You have to listen to all.
Yes, I mean there's hundreds,but there is one.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
There is a book which is by there's probably multiple
, yeah, but they just, they justgive it to somebody to read and
then, yeah, it is what it is,yeah or it's somebody
researching even um scientology,who it might not there, they
were never in Scientology, butthey're talking about the
language of Scientology, but thepoint being that it's not arc
(29:34):
break, it's ARC break and itdoesn't actually matter because
it's I know.
I know, of course you can sayarc.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
You can say just say whatever you want, baby.
Okay, I think I got.
Do we have one more?
Oh, yeah, I got to do one more.
Here we go.
Cluster.
I just actually said cluster.
I just realized that was aFreudian slip Definition.
When you have a large group ofBTs or body thetans, this is
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considered a cluster.
Bts or body Thetans this isconsidered a cluster.
This could be hundreds of BTsor even thousands or tens of
thousands of BTs all jammed upin one location.
So when you get to the upperlevels and this is something
that this is kind of crazyactually, if you think about it,
is that Tom Cruise was shootingall these alien movies like
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World of Worlds and what'sanother one he did a bunch of
alien.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
He did like two or three.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Edge of Tomorrow.
There was one other one, worldof Worlds, edge of Tomorrow,
oblivion.
Okay, he did three alien movies.
Okay, now, this may or may notblow your mind, guys, but when
he was shooting those movies hewas on operating thetan level
seven, and in operating thetanlevel seven, you're supposed to
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just be just be destroying andgetting rid of clusters, lots of
clusters of bts and bts, asmany bts you.
You contact them and then youevict them.
Okay, we're talking abouthomeless aliens here.
That's what we're talking aboutevicting.
Um, these in scientology.
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They have illegal aliens andthey're they're really aliens
for real, from another planet.
Um, anyway, the in scientology,um, you're getting rid of
aliens and tom cruise isshooting all these movies
getting rid of aliens.
I just think that that's acrazy thing, that he's like
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workshopping ideas and paramountis the one paying for it.
Um, so that's what a cluster is?
Speaker 2 (31:43):
um, I think that's all we have yeah, the only, the
only other part that you didn'tcover about the cluster oh yeah
is so it's multiple body things,but the key is that they think
they're one.
Okay, they all, they all thinkthey're one.
That's why that's okay,whatever, just saying, just just
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mentioning I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
I'm not sure that really affects it that much as
much as you think it does.
Okay, fair enough, because it'sall crazy nonsense.
Now can you imagine, let's justpretend, let's just pretend,
okay, and I like to be thedevil's advocate.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Okay, sure Not.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Xenu's advocate.
I'd like to be Xenu's advocate.
Well, that's a new one, we'llcall it that I'd like to be the
Thetan's advocate.
Now, let's pretend.
Let's just pretend that thereare 700 billion aliens that were
on these planets, that thesealiens got taken from so that
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they could depopulate or, likeit was over, they had
overcrowding.
That's why Zini was tasked withgetting rid of these Thetans
from that other place andbringing them here, right, he
was just getting a, he was justa garbage man.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Doing his job.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
He was just like so judgmental again.
Anyway, he was tasked, he didwhat he thought he was supposed
to do, okay, but let's just saythat that the aliens are like
cruising around and they go like, oh, we've dumped.
There should be like 700billion aliens on earth and they
should all be like living,living high on the hog, because
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that's where we left them.
And then they find out thesescientologists have been just
evicting them full time for 50,60 years.
That's not going to be a goodlook for them.
That's going to be.
There's going to be problems.
They're basically putting usall in risk.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
At risk with messing with these aliens.
We should just be like themoral of the story is I think
you should embrace the aliens Ifthey're really there.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
yeah, I mean help you to to play advocate, z news
advocate as well.
If scientology truly recoversyour whole track recall and
every ability you've ever had onthe whole track that's how it's
hubbard says it like you'regonna, lifetime after lifetime
after lifetime, every skillyou've ever had, you'll be able
to recover that, that, everylanguage you've ever known.
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So couldn't one argue then thatby evicting these body things,
as you said, that they wouldjust like build a spaceship and
head on back?
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Catherine and many others.
It was in the trillions.
Actually, philip Jones, it was76.
This is from the actualoperating phaeton, level three.
This is what he get.
This was what hubbard says 76planets, 178 billion per planet,
13 trillion people.
There are likely trillions ofbody things here.
(34:40):
Okay, so there's trillions ofbody things.
The scientologists are muckingthem up, messing with them full
time and now we're going to haveto pay the price.
Okay, when those aliens comeback.
Scientology auditing 1 millionBTs per year might take several
million years to audit outExactly.
Thank you, phil.
Thank you, phil Jones.
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Scientology.
If there's one thing, if you'rea Scientologist and you're
watching this and you're likethere's no way, this is true,
this is nonsense.
These guys are making it up,it's not.
You can just Google operatingfate, level three, hubbard
handwriting and it'll be in hiswriting.
All the stuff that we've beentalking about, and one of the
(35:23):
things that I think is a greatway to like kind of twist, uh, a
view some scientologistsunderstanding of scientology and
what's going on is that theirmain mission is to clear the
planet.
That's the main, that's theoverriding goal in Scientology,
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and the way you clear the planetis you get rid of a person's
engrams.
They're the things that arecausing them to have mental
problems.
And then you find out that it'sactually the body thetans which
are doing all the bad work andmaking all this happen.
Then you have to get rid of allyour body thetans and
Scientologists believe if theydo that with everybody then they
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will clear the planet.
Scientology can't even cleartheir own zip codes, much less
the planet.
So if you take the amount ofpeople that are going clear in
your zip code let's say it's 100a year then you just all you
have to do is just divide yourthe population of your zip code
(36:26):
by a hundred.
That's how many years it'sgoing to take Scientology to
clear your zip code, and nomatter where you're a
Scientologist in the world,that's in the hundreds or
thousands of years that that'sgoing to take.
Now there's a kind of a hiccupthat gets into this and Claire
knows about this because weworked with David Miscavige for
many years at the internationalheadquarters and in I want to
(36:49):
say in the when it was in theearly two thousands when he
canceled last lifetime clears.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Oh yeah, yeah, that was late nineties or early 2000,
2000.
Yeah, 2001.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Yeah, he basically said there's no such thing as a
last lifetime clear.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
so somebody who went clear in their last life and
then found a new body, they gotmore in grams somehow and, by
the way, we should mention Imean it's all fine and dandy for
david miscavige to cancel that,but there is uh, hubbard hcob
see, this is where claire says,like david miscavige's bullshit
is not the correct bullshit.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Hubbard had some actual bullshit which was legit
bullshit.
So, regardless, I'm just sayinglike, currently they're not
allowed to continue.
So if you say, if you so mything, that I was saying where
you take the number of peoplethey're clearing and then you
divide that by the year, well,you can't do a cumulative,
(37:46):
because every half, every 100,let's say 100 years, let's just
say everybody's going to live to100.
Every 100 years you have tozero the board and start over,
because you're constantlygetting rid of people and then
you got to start all over again.
So you're never going to do,you're never going to clear the
planet.
That's the, that's the moral ofthe story.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
I don't think we did a very good job of explaining
last lifetime clears, though itdoesn't matter, nobody cares.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Okay, if you got audited last life, the point
being that Scientology, so what?
Claire's going to tell us, nomatter what we do.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
The first clear is quote unquote if there is which
there isn't, but whatever, and Isee your point, I just, I just,
we can do it very easily.
So if the first clears weremade in 1950, when Hubbard, you
know, wrote Dianetics, dianetics, the modern science of mental
health, then it follows thatsome of those people have died
(38:44):
now and come back in new bodies.
So there was a practice wheresome people claimed oh, last
lifetime I was a Scientologistand I reached the state of clear
, and now I've come back.
So I'm claiming my state ofclear.
I want my credit Right Anyhow,whatever, yeah, it is.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
whatever the amount of people, let's just we'll just
say that as well, like I wantto say, at the international
headquarters, at one point therewas almost a thousand people
there on that property.
How many last lifetime clearswould you say were at that
property?
The top of all of scientology.
(39:25):
You had OT8s and the highesttrained Scientologists, and this
was the creme de la creme ofScientology.
How many last lifetime clearsdo you think were there at that
property?
A handful maybe.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Yeah, 50 to 100, maybe.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
It's not a lot of people in the overall scheme of
things.
So it's sort of if you had 100people that were clear, maybe
five of those people would havebeen last lifetime clears.
So that it still holds thatyou're not more than you think.
Scientology is not clear inanything.
They can't even freaking clearit.
(40:04):
Yeahi, yeah um okay, that's iton the words.
Let's just, let's um, let's zipin and see how our tally is
doing here on the xenu uh, sothere's 52 entries.
Should we do a giveaway now?
What time is it?
Speaker 2 (40:16):
yeah, we'll do a giveaway now.
Then we'll do answer a bunch ofquestions and comments.
There have been some reallygood questions hopefully
somebody's been starring.
Yeah, no, I've been fallingdown on the job.
I'll try and get back to that.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Okay, we're going to do a draw here, folks.
Okay.
So, claire, you say when?
To do it, claire, you're up onthe screen, you're the big,
you're the big boss.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Oh yay, oh, let's do it like that, okay, or?
Speaker 1 (40:40):
this, let's do it like that.
Or this, let's do it like that.
There we go.
Okay, are you ready?
Yep, oh, I gotta push.
Draw on the actual thing, noton the screen of the thing.
Okay, here we go draw.
There it is.
See, I wrote, put Zeno in thecomments, so I got entered in to
win too.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Didn't.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
I oh my goodness.
That was.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Shannon.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Has Shannon won before?
No, I don't think she ever wins.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
She has not.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
It always goes right by her name and then sometimes
it hangs on her, like it did onthat last one.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Congratulations, Shannon.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
And.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
I will say Shannon, and I think that Shannon was the
very first person to comment Inthe chat.
Yes, she commented about thethumbnail I'm going to go to it
now because of this, because Imake sure that there you go, she
commented, I think like an hourafter I put up the thing
yesterday.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yeah, I saw that.
Anyway, congratulations.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Shannon Finally.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Shannon and her husband are very good friends of
ours that we met actually inSan Antonio Texas.
Yeah, we met them in SanAntonio Texas and they knew who
we were, but we didn't know whothey were.
Anyway, we're not going to saywhere we met, but we did meet at
a a fun place.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Anyway, congratulations, sharon we are
shannon why don't I keep sayingsharon, I don't know, um, sorry
guys, I'm just like, I'm likeI'm getting back into this again
um congratulations, shannon umand um, we are gonna.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
She's going to call me like Brian.
Oh, she said I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
She'll call you Mark, with a K.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Shannon said I would like to donate my gift back to
somebody.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Awesome, we're going to do another draw then.
There you go Can we do that,let me see how we do this.
Does it say draw again?
There it is, draw again, sureenough.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Thanks see how we do this.
Does it?
Speaker 1 (42:37):
say draw again.
There it is, draw again.
Sure enough, thanks, shannon.
That's thank you, shannon.
That's fair, that is verygenerous of you, okay we're
gonna draw again sharon.
That was very generous of you,sharon.
Um, shannon, shannon, be sharon.
Oh my goodness, it was apreeminent faux pas.
(42:58):
I kept calling her Sharonbecause she was going to be
Sharon, okay.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Oh boy.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
We're going to draw again.
Claire, claire's going to callit.
Okay, you ready?
Yep, go for it.
Draw again.
Here we go, oh my goodness Okay.
Here we go, oh my goodness.
Okay, here we go.
It's doing it, it's doing it.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Witness.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Yay, there you go, congratulations Good to see you
here.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Witness, it has been a minute.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Yeah, okay, so it's how many minutes are we in?
Okay, good, we can docongratulations.
You know the drill you have to.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Oh yeah, here we go.
See, we're so rusty, yeahWitness.
Please send me an email, claire, at blown for goodcom.
Include the link to whateveryou would like from either the
blown for good merch store orthe SP shop.
Sp shop, we have Leahbobbleheads, mike bobbleheads,
sp bracelets, davey elves, soany of the regular edition items
(44:00):
from there.
Mark's book, whatever you'dlike.
Uh, audio book, kindle,actually not Kindle.
I don't know how to do that.
Audio book.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
I know how to do Um anyway, you can go to Amazon and
get a Kindle.
People that do Kindles knowwhere Kindles are.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Well, I know, but for for giveaway, I mean there's no
Kindle giveaways.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
Everybody has to pay for a Kindle.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
That was my point, Vanessa.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Amazon doesn't like me giving free stuff away.
Amazon wants their cut.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Yes, exactly, precisely Okay, All right so.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
You want to do some questions real quick and then
we'll do one last giveaway rightat the end.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Yeah, so sorry, guys.
Like we said, we're rusty here,so if you had a question, just
put it back in the comments withquestion so I can mark it,
cause I'm not very good at goingback through the chat to mark
those.
Well, there's 17 stars I know,but I'm just saying there were
some really good questions.
So if you had a really goodquestion that you wanted us to
(44:55):
answer right now, put it in nowand I'll keep an eye on it.
And as we go through thequestions we have marked, I'll
mark these.
Okay, there we go.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Cool.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Good, oh, look at that Shannon be sharing some
more.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
Shannon on a sharing roll.
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
It's Casey.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
For anyone new here, this has been a long standing.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
That's why her name is spelled that way.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Yes, exactly Cassie.
It's so good to see you here.
Thank you for being here,Thanks.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Only in a cold do you need to get permission to leave
.
Yeah, exactly.
Yes, that's from Phil Jones.
Thank you, Phil.
Oh, look, there you go.
Question.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Yeah, hold on.
How long did it take you?
Jennifer Arnold question howlong did it take you guys to
stop talking Scientologies?
That's a great question.
So, as we mentioned, we kind ofdid a force a force quit, if
you will when we moved.
So Mark escaped to Kansas CityMissouri.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
I followed three weeks later and there was no
Scientology in Kansas CityMissouri, though I did randomly
Do you remember the apartment westayed at and randomly like
Scientology promo startedshowing up at the person right
across the hall from us and wewere completely spooked by that,
the person that lived acrossthe hall was getting, like all
(46:27):
these mailers that we knew wecould see exactly what they were
Like for the purificationrundown and we were just like oh
no, all the way to Kansas Cityand our next door neighbors get,
yeah, junk man.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
but but like so literally, I went from being in
the hole, trapped in the hole,escaping uh.
So let's see, I escaped onmonday and seven days later
exactly, I started a job as awaitress at a pizza restaurant.
Talk about worlds apart, likethat's right, the pizza shop
(47:01):
yeah, so kansas city.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Kansas city lee summit pizza shop.
Yeah, the pizza shop guys, some, uh, some love there, go and
get some, go get a uh, and ofcourse, pizza and a slice.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
We've said this so many times but we, so I went and
got a job there.
Mark was waiting for me outsideand.
I went out and I was like, yeah, I got the job.
And he's like how much are theygoing to pay you?
I said I don't know.
I forgot to ask who cares.
It's not a cult, yay, anyway.
Oh, whoops, I promised to bemarking questions and I
completely forgot here.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
Well, I'm going to put up a Dr X.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
Okay, awesome Dr.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
X.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
Dr X, great to see you.
Hey guys, flight delay equalsBFG goodness.
Yay.
If you grew up in a Scientologyhousehold, do you actually talk
like that, or do you use normalterms like the rest of us Was
being born in help with theseterms for the core supervisor
post?
So, oh, that's such a greatquestion, such a good question.
(47:56):
Such a great question.
It's such a good question, sucha good question.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
You use those all the time, all the time In your
house.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
Yeah, all the time.
And so this is true for you,because your experience growing
up in Scientology was verydifferent to my experience,
mainly because my mother joinedthe Sea Organization when I was
four years old, at which point Ibecame a cadet, so I was, you
(48:22):
know.
The explanation of the cadetarc that I've now realized best
explains that experience is it'sLord of the Flies meets
orphanage, meets Nazi youth.
That's kind of the elementsthat really define what it's
like to grow up in the cadetorganization.
(48:42):
But yes, whether or not youwere in the C organization or
just born into a Scientologyfamily, those words are just
your language.
Like I said, that's the firstlanguage you learn.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
If you get in trouble .
When you're a Scientology kidyou have to go write up your OWs
If you get in trouble.
They have a thing inScientology called the
conditions.
Conditions are states ofexistence and you have
conditions above non-existenceand then you have conditions
below non-existence and thoseare conditions below
non-existence and those arecalled lower conditions and
(49:19):
those are like punishment.
So if you I don't know if youif you're egging cop cars from
the, from your apartment rightnext to the hollowade freeway,
you got to do ows and lowerconditions, yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
So um the other the other word that's very commonly
used.
Uh, when you're a child growingup in, Scientology is out
exchange.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Yes, if your parents are giving you a place to live
and food and everything, thenyou whatever let's just say
that's 500 bucks worth of goodsand services that your parents
are doling out to you Then youneed to be putting in $500 worth
of chores and work to equal outyour exchange.
Otherwise you're out exchange.
But yes, that is a very goodquestion and yes, at least our
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upbringings in Scientology, weuse the language full-time.
And yes, if you're a kid, ifyou're a Scientologist and your
kid in Claire's case, she was inthe cadet org when she was
young, so it was mandatory thatshe did Scientology courses.
But in our family, in order tostay in good standing in the
family, you also had to doScientology courses.
(50:30):
So if I wasn't on course atnight after school, then I was
considered out exchange and outethics.
If I wasn't on course at nightafter school, then I was
considered out exchange and outethics.
So as a child I did lots ofScientology courses, and not I
did the kids ones at first, butthen after you do a few kids
courses, they're like okay, kidtime's over, you know what the
score is.
Now you're going to do the bigboy courses and when I was 12,
(50:51):
11 or 12, I was doing regularScientology courses that adults
were doing.
I was doing Scientologycounseling that adults would do.
So they didn't treat me anydifferent than a regular
Scientologist, I would say,starting when I was like 11 or
12.
So when you get into the Corganization after being
(51:12):
indoctrinated your whole life,you're even as a 15 year old.
That's when I joined the Corganization, when I was 15
years old, 120 hours a week,seven days a week for 15 years
basically.
But when you join the Corganization as a Scientology
kid that went to Scientologyschools and already did
(51:34):
Scientology courses, I was lightyears ahead of any of the other
people that were just joiningthe Sea Org, because I'd already
spent years and years and yearsstudying Scientology and
knowing all the terminology andknowing how to do counseling and
word clearing and all thosethings that you're supposed to
learn.
So yes, in Claire's case itwould help.
(51:58):
It helped her to get an easyposition.
I mean, when I was 15 years oldI was the vice president of two
different divisions in aninternational Scientology
organization.
I was the vice president forpersonnel, which in the
Scientology world they haveanother name for it.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
It's called the HCO area secretary but again rabbit
hole, we won't go down.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
But because because the organization I worked for
was not a Scientologyorganization, it was a non, it
was.
It was basically they werecalling it a secular or
non-secular.
It was the way they made itSecular.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
Yeah, secular means they don't use any of the
Scientology words.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
Yeah, so it was a secular division of Scientology
where they basically kind ofhomogenize all the Scientologies
into regular words.
Anyway, I was the vicepresident for personnel and then
I was the vice president foraccounts or treasury, whatever
they called it there.
So, yeah, they didn't careabout being a kid.
(52:58):
Okay, there's another one foryou.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
Yeah, question Is there any sort of weird
competition around what OT levelor auditor level you all are or
were, or who was the youngestto achieve clear or whatever?
Did baby David's set a record?
Clear by five, great question.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
It is a great question.
Yes, and he did.
Yeah, and he was known what wasit as the youngest class four
auditor or the youngest uh, theyoungest auditor to do the St
Hill special briefing course orsomething like that.
He did, david Miscavige, whenhis dad, ron Miscavige, went to
St Hill.
I want to say in the seventies,right, the sixties, or the
(53:45):
seventies, late sixties or theearly seventies.
Speaker 2 (53:48):
I guess it must've yeah it must've been the sixties
.
Speaker 1 (53:51):
I don't know.
Anyway, it was the sixties orthe seventies.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
I'm sure Janice Grady would know the answer to that
question.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
It's probably in Ron's book too.
Yeah, I'm sure it is.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
But also I love the story I think it was from Jesse
Prince who told the story abouthow, even though David Miscavige
, yes, was one of the youngestauditors and you're actually not
supposed to brag about thesethings, helen, but it's
absolutely a status thing 100%yes but then the actual story
(54:20):
was that David Miscavige, as theauditor or counselor, yelled at
the person he was auditing,which is a complete no.
No, you're absolutely notsupposed to do that.
Yeah, whatever.
Speaker 1 (54:33):
He was also.
Speaker 2 (54:34):
I mean, as long as we're telling david miscavige
stories oh, danielle chamberlainjust said he was at school with
me in the year uh, above hismid-70s.
There you go there you go.
Speaker 1 (54:45):
Poof, there you go, thank you danielle it's cool
with me in the year above, inthe mid-70s.
There you go.
So I was right, it was in the70s.
Um, they used to call himenrique in theta.
In theta is like a trouble, orwhen you're causing mis-emotion,
and you're in turbulent theta,which is like life energy.
Speaker 2 (55:05):
Yeah, and they called him enrique in theta because he
was like a little terror yeah,which, by the way, that's
another word and theta, that isabsolutely part of any
Scientology household.
If you're a child growing up inScientology or in the cadet org
, doesn't matter Like stop beingentheta.
Stop being entheta.
Speaker 1 (55:25):
Okay, there's one last question, and then we're
going to do the last giveaway.
Speaker 2 (55:28):
Okay, awesome Question.
Pakonopluk Question when youleft, how did you know which
words were Scientology words?
Speaker 1 (55:39):
My answer to that is I'm still figuring that out in
some cases, I'm not figuring itout, the ones people don't say
those are the Scientology onesOf course that's Mark.
Speaker 2 (55:47):
Can you tell that Mark's personality in
Scientology was rebel and minewas rule follower?
And now we're just figuringthings out.
Speaker 1 (55:55):
It was like yeah, you know, you know which ones I
mean you.
For the most part, yeah, andalso when you work in
Scientology, you're not, you'renot at a business meeting going,
you guys have OWs and and we'regoing to find out where the the
crazy body, things are.
(56:16):
And you're at no, when you're ina regular world, you switch off
the Scientologies and sometimesand that is a good point
sometimes Scientologists don'tswitch that off and they say
those words like outreality orviewpoint is another thing that
they say a lot in ScientologyInstead of point of view, they
say viewpoint.
They say a lot in Scientologyinstead of point of view, they
say viewpoint.
There's a few words that if youhear somebody say if you, if
(56:43):
they say one or two of thesewords and you're just watching
them in a video or somethingthey're talking to, you go like,
oh, this person might be aCylon and like when?
If I hear somebody say, um,affinity, if I hear somebody say
affinity.
If I hear somebody say Out.
Speaker 2 (56:56):
Ethics is a dead giveaway.
Speaker 1 (56:58):
Ethics or get your ethics in, like Tom Cruise said.
Speaker 2 (57:01):
Get your manners in, even the use of the word in.
Speaker 1 (57:05):
Yes, get your manners in, that's right.
That's a telltale In and outare.
Speaker 2 (57:12):
Those are very specifically used in Scientology
in a way that nobody uses thosethat way in the outside world
yeah, that's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (57:22):
So okay, um, great to see you, bfg.
Speaker 2 (57:25):
You gave up the great work just wanted to say thank
you, cannonball, appreciate youbeing here yeah, and thank you
for um, everybody who did superchats.
Speaker 1 (57:32):
We're not.
We don't.
I mean, if you want to supportthe channel, that's one way to
do it, and if you want, we'llput up the before we do this
last giveaway, we'll put up thelast of the stuff.
If you want to get any otherBFG merch, that's the best way
to support the channel is to getmerch, or the bobbleheads.
The bobbleheads and the SPdolls and all that go to support
(57:53):
the Aftermath Foundation, andthat's where you get a fake Navy
Davy dolls.
And do we have one of thoseguys here?
Speaker 2 (58:01):
You got a whole bunch of them back there at the
rocket here which which,speaking of the aftermath, we
made the big announcement thispast week that we changed the
name to the Michael J Rinderaftermath foundation.
For anyone watching here, wewould really appreciate if you
would go to the website RinderAftermath Foundation.
For anyone watching here, wewould really appreciate if you
would go to the website sign upfor the newsletter.
There'll be news newsletterscoming out starting this year
(58:25):
and in addition to that, we dohave a YouTube channel for the
Michael J Rinder AftermathFoundation.
We would love to get thesubscriber count there up past
10,000, which will mean that wecan, on occasion, do YouTube
fundraisers through that channel, and this channel would support
that.
So there you have it, but wecan do.
(58:46):
We'll have lots of foundationnews coming soon and we'll do a
dedicated talk about updatesthere and what's been going on,
because there's a lot going on.
So there you have it.
Speaker 1 (58:57):
Nice, I'm putting up all the comments.
There's some nice commentsabout that, so I'm putting those
up.
Cool, cool, cool, danielle.
Speaker 2 (59:04):
Chamberlain Yep.
Thank you, and Danielle, I'mvery sorry for your loss as well
, by the way.
Yes, rest in peace, nev.
Wonderful tribute to Mike, yes.
Speaker 1 (59:16):
Okay, cool.
Speaker 2 (59:17):
Thank you, Clara.
Speaker 1 (59:20):
We're going to do the last.
There you go, perfect, okay,yes, one last giveaway.
We're going to do one more draw.
Let's see, here we go.
You ready?
Tell me when.
Speaker 2 (59:32):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (59:34):
Go for it, click it.
Oh, there it is, it's clicking.
Speaker 2 (59:37):
I was clicking my clicking.
Speaker 1 (59:38):
Clicking Okay, here we go.
Oh stinky cat Almost.
Speaker 2 (59:46):
Oh M All right, wow, descriptive yeah.
Speaker 1 (59:49):
So M Good job, m Congratulations M.
Speaker 2 (59:54):
Congratulations M, congratulations M,
congratulations M.
Please send me an email with alink to what you would like.
Yeah there you have it.
Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Awesome guys.
Well, um, we did it.
We got another one in the bookswe're going to get.
Like I said, we're going to tryto uh, we'll try to do these
more often.
Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
I whenever I say that we go for like a month and we
don't do one, I know we weregonna do one last week.
We were.
It was just too much.
It was really.
We've been exhausted, burningboth ends of the stick as they
say, both ends of the candle.
Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
We were burning the candle.
If you were burning a stick, itwould just be smoky oh my gosh,
and yet, and anyway cool yeah,cool, cool, we's all good.
We did this one.
Yeah, okay, guys, thanks a lot.
Did I do all the things?
I did all the things.
Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
I think we did all the things.
Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
If we didn't thank you for staying to the very end,
like and subscribe and all thathappy hoo-ha.
And then you can listen to thisvideo where I'm going to tell
you a lot of other things youcan do.
Oh, let me say one other thingthat I've been wanting to say
I'm glad.
Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
I remembered.
So we have been um it becausewe haven't been doing these
lately.
We've been putting up someolder episodes on um on the
podcast platforms.
Um, if, uh, we've received alot of messages through the
podcast platforms, we have noway to respond to those.
(01:01:14):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
I'll say this in the podcast for those of you who
listen to the podcast, whichthere's a lot of people that
download the podcast I thinkwe're up to, I think, eight
9,000 downloads a week orsomething like that, which is
pretty good for a podcast.
But we went back.
We had a lot of requests to putold episodes that we did with
Mike Rinder and any old Q andA's that we did.
(01:01:36):
So we started for some reason,whenever we did videos on
YouTube, all of them would goonto the podcast.
For some reason we didn't do Qand A's.
I don't know why, but for somereason, maybe because it was
just so many of them or I don'tremember the reason, but
whatever the reason, we didn'thave the Q and A's up there and
a lot of people requested it.
So we went back to the verybeginning of the Q&As and we
(01:01:58):
just started releasing them andI think, out of 50 or 60 Q&A
episodes, I think I want to saywe're in the 30s or something
like that high 20s or 30s, sowe're going to keep doing that.
But there's a lot of old MikeRinder Q&As that are on there
and so people were hearing themnewly and um, and that's why?
Just because we were requested.
(01:02:19):
At the very top of the podcastdescription it says when that
episode originally aired.
If you're, if you want to goback and watch the actual video,
you can do that on our channel.
Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Yeah, but my point being that if you um have a
question and want to um want usto respond to it, best way is to
reach out to us through theBlown for Good website or clara
at blownforgoodcom.
Anyway, Clara says if you wantto send a video about Mike's
impact on you, you can view thetribute to Mike to learn how
(01:02:51):
Perfect Thank you, Clara.
Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
We'll put these links in the description as well, yes
, thank you, clara.
We'll put these links in thedescription as well.
Yes, okay, that was it.
Are we good now?
Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Yes, we're good now.
Sorry, I just wanted to getthat in because it was very
frustrating to me that we weregetting messages through the
podcast and couldn't respond andpeople were like is this how to
reach you?
Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
It says there was a cell number on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
Really.
Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
I don't think so that wasn't us?
Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
I don't think so.
Okay, I didn't put my cellnumber in there, me neither, oh
boy, anyway if you go to thepodcast.
Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
I think what it does is it says send a message or
text a message and you can justclick it and it'll send us a
message.
We do see those messages.
We just can't respond we justdon't have a way to respond,
because it would, we can pin.
I think we can pin yourquestion somewhere, but it's
it's a new feature.
That's not totally flushed no,we.
Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
We even messaged buzzsprout and we said hey, how
do we respond to these messages?
And they're like you, don't?
Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
yeah, apostate.
Alex says it was z news, so hemight have the technology to put
that in there.
Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Yeah, anyway, he's expecting.
Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
Okay, we did.
We went three minutes over.
Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
I'm a stickler for time People.
People say, if anything over anhour, it's just like they're
already tuned out.
Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Yep, there you go I don't know.
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Hey guys, welcome back to the channel.
I'm Mark Hedley and I am joinedtoday by my lovely wife, claire
.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hello everybody, thank you for being here.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Claire, hello everybody, thank you for being
here.
Hopefully you guys can hear usand hopefully we look good and
sound good.
We're a little bit rusty.
We haven't done this in a whileand, yeah, we're having all
kinds of fun.
If you want to tell us in thecomments where you're watching
from today, we always like to dothat at the beginning of the
video and then, if you addhashtag Zinu into the comments,
(00:47):
you will be entered into ourgiveaway that we're going to do
at the end of the end of theshow today.
If we, if we end up, if we getthrough what we're where we have
lined up a little early, wemight do a Q and a, but no
matter what, we'll do a giveawayat the uh, at the end of the
stream yes and um people arecommenting on your beard, honey
(01:10):
oh well, the beard.
Oh yes, I do have a beard now,because I was in the northeast
for uh for the winter and, um,yeah, it was uh, it was very
cold, it was single digits orlower.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Um didn't you say it was negative 10 degrees?
Your first day on site?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
It was some unbearable temperatures, but we
made it.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
We thought we had it bad here in Colorado, but hell
no, maine is much colder.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Yeah, it was very cold.
Claire just gave up my location.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Oh, an entire state yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I was in Maine.
Scientology couldn't find me.
Um, anyway, yeah, so it's allgood we're back.
Um, we, uh, we've.
We built this fancy studio inthe basement and, uh, got it all
set up so we could move out ofmy Depeche Mode listening room,
which is where my, our setup was, my setup was, and Claire had
(02:10):
hers in her office.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, and office and studio don't really combine well
together.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
So you know, when you it's just mixing topics,
accounting and exposingScientology are a little
challenging, for Zoom calls tohave all the paraphernalia being
appropriate yeah, we um, we gotthe studio, we got the, the
listening room back and then webuilt all this up and um, and
then we uh, stopped doing videosbecause I went off to do work
(02:35):
and claire had work and butwe're back, we're gonna try to
do this.
I have another project that I'mjust about to start.
Actually, tomorrow is reallythe first big day, but then I'll
be doing that for a few weeks.
Then I got to go off to anotherstate and then we'll try to do
(02:55):
the Sundays.
As long as I'm in town, we'lltry to do Sundays.
But let's put up some of thesefolks and where they're coming
from.
Yes, did you star any?
You want to?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
put them up.
I starred a bunch, yeah, butI'll star some more, and it's
good to see Catherine here.
Thank you, catherine, clara.
Thank you, clara.
Thanks for your help.
Okay, suzanne Keller.
Hello, mark and Claire.
Sue from Michigan, good to seeyou here.
Silvo Sings, england.
(03:26):
Awesome.
Michelle from Long Island, newYork.
Good to see you.
Bock Buddy, minnesota.
Betsy Sue, just call me Betsy.
Hello, betsy.
Greetings from Myrtle Beach,south Carolina.
Katrina Lunn hey, hey guys.
Welcome back from Reading, uk.
(03:47):
Hi, petrina, nice.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Awesome Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
And, of course, I saw we have apostate Alex here.
Danielle Chamberlain, thanksfor joining us.
Let's see.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Oh, Tracy, you got to do.
You got to do that with the X.
I only have it one way, so yougot to go X-E-N-U.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
To get in because it's looking for that exact text
to enter into win.
So make sure you spell Xenuwith an X.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yes, but once you've spelled it with an X, you only
need to do one.
Oh, and I saw Jacob Harkey ishere.
Good to see you, jacob, thanks,you only need to do one.
Oh, and I saw Jacob Hark.
He is here.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Good to see you, Jacob.
Thanks for joining us, mattDenny.
Yay Kind of long.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah, it's been a minute, hasn't it?
Yeah, it is good to be back.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Oh yeah, there's apostate, alex.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
There we go.
Hey at SP Crusader Leany, therewe go, mark, missed you.
Mark from Merrimack, NewHampshire.
Awesome, nice, yes.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Awesome guys.
Well, today we wanted to dosomething a little different and
this may or may not have beendone on other channels, where
they give you Scientologydefinitions or Scientology words
and explain them to you.
We just thought it would be funto do this and we a lot of
people that watch the channel,we assume have been here and
(05:12):
watched tons of episodes and allthat other stuff.
But then we do have new peoplethat every once in a while come
in and it's always good for youguys just to get a refresher on
the Scientology crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah, and for me, the reason I wanted to do this is
because I've been reading thebook Cultish.
I've been reading all kinds ofbooks, but Cultish really talks
about some of the semantics anduse of language to control
people, and I think that that'sa really important part to talk
(05:45):
about, specifically inScientology, because in my mind,
a lot of the language andconcepts program you to
eventually do the work yourselfin addition to them doing the
work of keeping you in the cult,and it makes it very difficult
to get out, and you and I havetalked about when we first got
(06:06):
out and we're in Kansas city,missouri we, cold Turkey,
stopped using the language, noteven realizing the power of it.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
You know I mean you have to.
I would always give up you.
I was like don't talk, likethat Don't talk and that we
would.
I want to say for probably ayear or so at least right,
probably a year or so we didn'tuse any of that language and we
knew it was good when we had totry to figure out what's the
(06:34):
real world word for the samesort of thing.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah, and to me there's two pieces of this.
Number one there's the controlmechanisms that in your mind you
start doing the work,inadvertently, of keeping
yourself in, like in my case, Iwas taught that language before
I was even taught the Englishlanguage.
I was taught Scientology as myfirst language really from the
(06:59):
age of four.
But also it's just so bizarrehow there are so many words in
Scientology that mean somethingcompletely different than what
it means in the real world andit trips you up.
And anyway, we've, we've talkedabout it many times but we
figured you know, hey, let's,let's talk about this and really
break it down and we can kindof talk about some of our
(07:21):
experiences associated withthose words as well, some of our
experiences associated withthose words as well.
And for anyone watching, ifthere's words that you think we
should add and talk about, let'sdo it.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Yeah, we'll do whatever.
We just picked a few for today.
We're getting back into thiswhere we didn't you know we
didn't go.
It wasn't some massive.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
It's not some deep dives that we're doing here, not
a whole lot of planning, justfun conversation, as we usually
do.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
And, to be honest, I just wanted a way to work in
some stuff that I've been doing,and so Claire said, hey, why
don't we do Scientology words?
And I said, okay, maybe you doone and then I do one, and we'll
go back and forth like that,and she was like perfect, so you
ready.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Okay, without further ado, we got the first word.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Below definition and unauthorized leave or departure.
Anyone who leaves Scientologywithout permission is considered
blown, as many people arebrought back after they escape
or leave.
Some who are blown for goodcannot be gotten back.
So this is obviously a goodword to talk about, because your
(08:36):
book is blown for good behindthe iron curtain of Scientology.
You started posting veryinitially as anonymously as
blown for good, but anyone who'sbeen in the world of
Scientology that statement blownfor good is really like okay,
(08:56):
game on, you ain't going back,yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Blown in the C organization.
Within Scientology, blow orblown is the same as going AWOL.
Yes, but if you go, if you're aregular, you can blow as a
regular Scientologist as well.
If you leave a course, ifyou're doing a course or
studying a course in Scientologyand they say if you're blown
(09:20):
from the course, that means youjust stopped doing the course.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yep loan from the course.
That means you just stoppeddoing the course, Yep.
And also, so there's yeah,you're right, there's levels of
unauthorized departure.
But also let's talk about thefact that, okay, we always use
the word escape because it isescape when you have below
builds in several concepts in aScientologist's mind Number one,
(09:46):
that you have to haveauthorization to leave, you do
not.
And number two, it also buildsinto it, because of many
different Hubbard concepts andpolicies and whatever that you
study over and over and overagain, that the only reason
anyone ever leaves is becausethey've done bad things.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah, they either have misunderstood words or they
have overts and withholds whichwe're going to get to or both.
We'll get to this later.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
And that is coercive control, completely, 100%,
because it makes you think, oh,if you want to leave, you must
have done bad things.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Yeah, exactly, or you don't understand something.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Okay, so that was your word.
Okay, now let's do my word.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Xenu.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Surprise, surprise.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Xenu is an intergalactic alien.
It was tasked with solvingoverpopulation and did so by
bringing billions of aliens toEarth, dumped them into
volcanoes, froze their spirits,which then attached themselves
to humans.
This is a very interesting one,because Scientologists
themselves they deny that thereis such thing as Xenu.
(11:03):
If you just ask somebody inScientology about Xenu, they'll
say there's no such thing.
We don't know what you'retalking about.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
But we should clarify they deny it, not because it's
not true, but because they'renot allowed.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Well, there's actually two reasons they deny
it.
The main reason they deny it isbecause, as a Scientologist,
you genuinely do not know whatthe person's talking about.
Because in the levels ofScientology you don't learn
about Xenu until what's calledthe operating Thetan levels and
you don't learn about Xenu untiloperating Thetan level three.
(11:37):
So a majority of Scientologistshave not achieved that level,
so they don't know about Xenuand it's a secret in Scientology
.
It's called confidential.
These operating Phaeton levels,all of the operating Phaeton
levels, from one all the way upto 15, are confidential and
(12:00):
Scientologists are, even ifthey're at those levels.
They're not allowed to discussthat with other Scientologists.
So you have this thing whereScientologists themselves can't
talk about Xenu.
If somebody asks you about Xenu, you suppressive act in
Scientology because you'rediscussing upper level
confidential materials whichHubbard believed, if you weren't
(12:33):
at that level, that learningabout that level would cause you
to get pneumonia and die.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
We need a music video of we can't talk about Xenu.
We don't talk about Xenu.
We don't talk about Xenu.
We don't talk about zinu.
We don't talk about zinu.
We don't talk about zinu.
We don't talk about zinu anyway.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
So that's zinu, and there's a nice little picture of
him there as well okay.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
So let me just comment for a moment, because
somebody wants to comment?
Yeah, everybody stop hold thepresses hold the press while
it's on you.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah, oh, you want it's like, it's on you.
I want to talk.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
So I know that your whole thing is that you know
Xenu and the body Thetans looklike aliens, but do they
actually look like aliens?
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Can't they be normal people?
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Here's the thing, people, I mean it seems kind of
judgmental.
Listen, listen here.
Okay, nobody's trying to callanybody out for being a little
green.
You know what I'm saying.
But, to be honest, when Xenu,if we're going to go back to,
I'll go back to the slide allthese aliens into the volcanoes.
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Um, he had these giant machinesthat caught them as their souls
left the volcanoes.
And then, um, and then he, hegathered all those guys up and
then he did some stuff, whichwe're going to talk about later
in the video.
But, um, the thing I wanted tosay was that in scientology, we
actually we got to do, then wehave to do the next words,
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because it sort of explains allthis Claire's jumping, claire's
jumping the gun.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
I just didn't want to forget that, you know.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
No one's going to forget.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
And let's put it back on Claire and let's give her
the next word.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
All right, overts and withholds or OWs, and that's
another piece of Scientology.
Everything is an acronymEverything, and that's another
piece of Scientology.
Everything is an acronym,everything.
Definition Acts that go andthis is over it's acts that go
against the mores of the group,anything that is determined to
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be against Scientology oragainst Scientology's rules, we
could add withholds are actsthat the person is worried that
someone will find out about.
Yeah, so they go togetherbecause, like, as an example,
billy steals an apple and thenhe withholds from his mom that
he stole an apple and he doesn'ttell his mom.
And you know, anyway, you getinto the whole cycle.
And again, this is importantand ties in with the word blow
(15:00):
or blown, because, as we talkedabout, a Scientologist believes
that the only reason they wouldever even consider leaving
Scientology is because they'vedone bad things, which is, of
course, a complete fallacy andgaslights you into staying in a
dangerous cult.
I made it with hold, with holdsinstead of with holds, right,
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yeah as we said, we did not do awhole lot of uh planning or
review here sorry about to befair, just claire.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Didn't spell check my work.
That's really all that happened, she would have fixed that in a
second if she would have lookedat it.
Yep true okay, so that's a goodone.
And that kind of ties in to thenext thing that we're going to
do, which is implant An implantin Scientology.
Basically, after Xenu froze thealien souls that tried to
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escape from the volcanoes, heput them all in front of a giant
projection screens and showedthem images of Christ, the man
on the cross, angels, demons andother images.
And this is the reason whyScientology believe.
These implants are why peoplebelieve in all these different
things and basically otherreligions or religions, period
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instead of Scientology.
And Another thing sorry, Igot't believe in any other
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religions except for Scientologyas a belief system, or that you
know any other gods or anythinglike that.
And a lot of Scientologistsdon't know this yet because they
haven't gotten to operatinglevel, operating fate in level
three, so that that soundaccurate.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah, yeah, I lost a little bit of the thought there,
but I did want to say toimplants are not limited to the
upper levels.
So, for example, one of themost commonly talked about
implants is called the betweenlives implant, which Hubbard
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talks about, that when someonedrops their body aka dies or
passes away that they are, thenthey go to the between lives
implant where they arereprogrammed, made to forget
everything, and then they, thenthey go and pick up a new body.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
This is perfect.
I'm going to put up your wordbecause this ties into your word
.
So, this is the next word isThetan.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yeah, but by the way, also, jacob Harkey asked a
really good question of areengrams and implants related?
And so, yes, an implant isconsidered to be an engram.
There are many differentengrams, but yes, anyway, great
question.
So Thetan Thetan not pronouncedThetan.
Uh, as Scientology's well-paidlawyers sometimes said in our
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depositions, which was terribly,just go, they are clueless.
Come on now.
Definition a person's immortalspiritual identity or soul.
Thetans are believed to passfrom one body to another.
Yeah, so thetan isScientology's word for soul.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
I'll take that off, because there was another typo
in that one too.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Oh my gosh, so many typos.
So sorry guys so sorry.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
I just cranked them down like 10 minutes.
Okay, look at this.
It's got a little scientologywords, it's got yes, they're all
the same there was.
It was a lot of work that went.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
A lot of five minutes worth of work that went into
making yeah, and, to be fair,obviously I had no involvement
in that work, so I will not takeany credit nor discredit for
missing your typos.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Yeah, somebody said I like this, it's Satan with a
lisp.
That is exactly there you go,satan.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah, and even that, like it seems intentional by
Hubbard.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, I don't know about that.
I mean he was up to all kindsof nonsense.
I don't know if he, if he wasany method to a lot of the
madness, okay so, but the thingI wanted to tie it in is that
they believe it says at the end,where there's no typos Thetans
are believed to pass from onebody to another.
So when they in Scientologythey believe that when you die,
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your Thetan finds a new body andthen is the soul of that new
body.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yeah, and goes and picks up a new body.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yeah, and I think the reason that Hubbard then
decided later on, when he madeup body thetans or when he
learned about body thetans, whenhe learned the truth about body
thetans, that he already hadthe word Satan.
So he was like, well, what arethe ones that are attached to
your body, that aren't your soul?
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That aren't your soul, but justthese like hitchhiker souls.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
They're what?
Do you call it Lemmings or?
Speaker 1 (20:21):
whatever they're body things.
We like to call it spacecooties, that's much.
I think Tony Ortega might havebeen the one that coined the
term or coined the phrase spacecooties, and I like space
cooties more than anything else.
I thought, I thought that camefrom you, because Well, I say it
all the time, but I think I gotit from Tony, I don't remember,
but space cooties is good,space Cooties is very Space
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Cooties.
They're cooties, but they'refrom space.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Right, and it ties in perfectly with the whole.
Xenu is my homeboy theme thatyou love so much.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah, I own the domain.
By the way, xenu is my homeboy.
I own that.
I actually own that.
I have all that.
That's my IP.
Xenu is my homeboy.
I've been saying it for 20years now.
I probably won't stop.
Okay, let's see what we gothere.
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Thetan, we did Thetan.
Okay, it's time for my one.
Body Thetan.
Yeah, there you go.
So definition the disembodiedspirit that is attached to a
human body.
Scientologists believe that allhuman bodies are inhabited by
body things which can causemental illness and bad emotions.
So that is literally what youlearn about on these upper
levels and when you get is it OTseven, like there's all
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different levels of operatingthing, levels where you're
basically doing stuff with thebody Thetans.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Oh yeah, from from three to seven is all is all
about that.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah, so from operating level three, four,
five, six and seven, all arededicated to dealing with body
Thetans.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Hold on.
I got to tell you this.
Somebody said so.
Recat 99 said said I misheardit as face cooties at first.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
That's amazing yeah, face cooties.
That's what the makeup industryis very interested in get rid
of face cooties.
Okay, scientology they'reworking on the space I would
prefer to remove my face cootiesthat's uh some people,
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depending on where you're from,that's what they consider a
beard face cooties or boogers,you know whatever.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
There's other things that could mean okay, now I'm
completely.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I don't know what we were talking about, but it's
claire's.
It's time for claire's wordokay, but anyway.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Somebody was also commenting that our definitions
here are, um, what would becalled, in scientology, verbal
tech, because, um, we're notquoting the exact words of
hubbard.
And there's a reason for that,because if we were to use the
exact policies, we would go downso many rabbit holes we would
get lost in just talking aboutcrazy words, right?
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, well, the thing is that in Scientologies they
have dictionaries.
They have actually they havemultiple dictionaries.
They have a technicaldictionary, they have an
administration dictionary, theyhave a lot of words that Hubbard
made up and there's a lot ofwords that are actually.
They have a.
Completely.
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It's just the same regularEnglish word, but it has a
completely different definition,like almost the opposite
definition, and I was trying tothink of one of those and we
didn't really cover it heretoday.
But I'll just say what it is.
It's called reasonable.
I'm trying to think of one ofthose and we didn't really cover
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it here today, but I'll justsay what it is.
It's called reasonable.
Reasonable in the real worldjust means like oh, that's based
on reason.
They just figure out a reasonwhy there's a problem and then
you don't have to solve theproblem and then you just give
in to not solving the problemand that's called being
reasonable.
So it's a.
In Scientology it is a badthing to be reasonable, and that
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is that makes that checks out,because they're not very
reasonable at all Right.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Ok, so you reminded me of another really, really
important one to talk about,just like that, which is
critical.
Critical if you're for aScientologist, if you're being
critical, that's a bad thing andit means you have committed
overts and withholds, so, and itmeans that.
So if I say, hey, mark, youdidn't do a good job on that,
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that's me being critical and itmeans I've done bad things to
you, right?
Speaker 1 (24:53):
It means you have over it's against me.
Yeah, exactly.
Or withholds, yeah, Okay.
So let's do Claire's next word.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
A-R-C.
Oh, my God.
Definition A-R-C is A foraffinity, which in Scientology
they do not use the word love ortrue love, or very rarely.
The language is affinityreplaces the word love, actually
.
Um, so a scientologist will belike oh I, I have a lot of
affinity, I have a lot ofaffinity for you, honey.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Um, yeah, they do say that a lot, or they.
You know I really had a lot ofaffinity for that building or
for that car.
When the car, you know I reallyhad a lot of affinity for that
car.
I'm so sad that it got totaled.
Yeah, anyway.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
And the next one is reality.
The R is for reality, which isyour agreement, like being able
to agree or relate to somebodyabout something and then see,
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obviously, communication.
That's self-explanatory and forthe most part, except that
there is just so much mechanicsbuilt into communication, which
is, I think, what causes a lotof the um, I don't know.
I would say Scientologist isconstantly trying to control.
They're not just having aconversation.
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It's like I have to ask you aquestion and it has to go up at
the end and you have to give ananswer to that.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
When you say up at the end, the end of the question
is like do you like birds?
Do birds fly.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Do birds fly?
Speaker 1 (26:45):
It has to if you birds, do birds fly?
Do birds fly?
It has to.
If you say, do birds fly,that's not a question.
If you say do birds fly, that'sa question.
And this is something inScientology.
You spend hundreds, if notthousands, of hours having to
perfect how you ask questions.
When you ask a question, theperson has to understand the
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question.
Then they have to acknowledgethat you said something.
Then they have to answer thequestion, then you have to
acknowledge that they answeredit and all these things.
So if you listen to TV orpodcasts or interviews, that
host will ask a question andthen the person will answer it
and then the host will just askanother question and in this
drive Scientologists that arelistening to these things it's
(27:30):
like breaking their circuitry,like, oh my God, he never
acknowledges that person, henever like they when he asks the
question and then they answerthe question.
In the real world, the answer tothe question is an
acknowledgement that you saidsomething and then, once you
said that, they ask the nextquestion.
There's not like we don't,there's not a whole cluster over
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the mechanics and thesignificances of what you said
than what I said.
Then you have to acknowledgewhat I said, then I have to
acknowledge what you said.
It's inside.
They really, in Scientology,attach a lot of significances.
But the other thing that yougot to read the rest of it.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
OK In Scientology, if you have all three of these
things, it should result inunderstanding, or it actually
will.
The theory is that affinity,reality and communication all
together add up to understanding, and that's why it's the ARC
triangle is how it's depicted inScientology.
If one of these things has beendamaged meaning affinity,
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reality, communication orlowered, this is considered an
ARC break or upset, and I'm surethat people would.
I've actually listened toScientology books that like on
Audible audible where the personreads it as arc break and it
drives me nuts because it's justone of those things Like when
you say Scientology book, whatare you?
(28:52):
talking about A book aboutScientology.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
No, no, no, no, no, oh, when like oh, yeah, memoir.
Yeah, we know that that's right, you're like dude.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
that's not authentic.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
It's not arc break.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
We won't say who's's that you'll have to listen to
them.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
You have to listen to all.
Yes, I mean there's hundreds,but there is one.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
There is a book which is by there's probably multiple
, yeah, but they just, they justgive it to somebody to read and
then, yeah, it is what it is,yeah or it's somebody
researching even um scientology,who it might not there, they
were never in Scientology, butthey're talking about the
language of Scientology, but thepoint being that it's not arc
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break, it's ARC break and itdoesn't actually matter because
it's I know.
I know, of course you can sayarc.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
You can say just say whatever you want, baby.
Okay, I think I got.
Do we have one more?
Oh, yeah, I got to do one more.
Here we go.
Cluster.
I just actually said cluster.
I just realized that was aFreudian slip Definition.
When you have a large group ofBTs or body thetans, this is
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considered a cluster.
Bts or body Thetans this isconsidered a cluster.
This could be hundreds of BTsor even thousands or tens of
thousands of BTs all jammed upin one location.
So when you get to the upperlevels and this is something
that this is kind of crazyactually, if you think about it,
is that Tom Cruise was shootingall these alien movies like
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World of Worlds and what'sanother one he did a bunch of
alien.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
He did like two or three.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Edge of Tomorrow.
There was one other one, worldof Worlds, edge of Tomorrow,
oblivion.
Okay, he did three alien movies.
Okay, now, this may or may notblow your mind, guys, but when
he was shooting those movies hewas on operating thetan level
seven, and in operating thetanlevel seven, you're supposed to
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just be just be destroying andgetting rid of clusters, lots of
clusters of bts and bts, asmany bts you.
You contact them and then youevict them.
Okay, we're talking abouthomeless aliens here.
That's what we're talking aboutevicting.
Um, these in scientology.
(31:15):
They have illegal aliens andthey're they're really aliens
for real, from another planet.
Um, anyway, the in scientology,um, you're getting rid of
aliens and tom cruise isshooting all these movies
getting rid of aliens.
I just think that that's acrazy thing, that he's like
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workshopping ideas and paramountis the one paying for it.
Um, so that's what a cluster is?
Speaker 2 (31:43):
um, I think that's all we have yeah, the only, the
only other part that you didn'tcover about the cluster oh yeah
is so it's multiple body things,but the key is that they think
they're one.
Okay, they all, they all thinkthey're one.
That's why that's okay,whatever, just saying, just just
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mentioning I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
I'm not sure that really affects it that much as
much as you think it does.
Okay, fair enough, because it'sall crazy nonsense.
Now can you imagine, let's justpretend, let's just pretend,
okay, and I like to be thedevil's advocate.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Okay, sure Not.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Xenu's advocate.
I'd like to be Xenu's advocate.
Well, that's a new one, we'llcall it that I'd like to be the
Thetan's advocate.
Now, let's pretend.
Let's just pretend that thereare 700 billion aliens that were
on these planets, that thesealiens got taken from so that
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they could depopulate or, likeit was over, they had
overcrowding.
That's why Zini was tasked withgetting rid of these Thetans
from that other place andbringing them here, right, he
was just getting a, he was justa garbage man.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Doing his job.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
He was just like so judgmental again.
Anyway, he was tasked, he didwhat he thought he was supposed
to do, okay, but let's just saythat that the aliens are like
cruising around and they go like, oh, we've dumped.
There should be like 700billion aliens on earth and they
should all be like living,living high on the hog, because
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that's where we left them.
And then they find out thesescientologists have been just
evicting them full time for 50,60 years.
That's not going to be a goodlook for them.
That's going to be.
There's going to be problems.
They're basically putting usall in risk.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
At risk with messing with these aliens.
We should just be like themoral of the story is I think
you should embrace the aliens Ifthey're really there.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
yeah, I mean help you to to play advocate, z news
advocate as well.
If scientology truly recoversyour whole track recall and
every ability you've ever had onthe whole track that's how it's
hubbard says it like you'regonna, lifetime after lifetime
after lifetime, every skillyou've ever had, you'll be able
to recover that, that, everylanguage you've ever known.
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So couldn't one argue then thatby evicting these body things,
as you said, that they wouldjust like build a spaceship and
head on back?
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Catherine and many others.
It was in the trillions.
Actually, philip Jones, it was76.
This is from the actualoperating phaeton, level three.
This is what he get.
This was what hubbard says 76planets, 178 billion per planet,
13 trillion people.
There are likely trillions ofbody things here.
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Okay, so there's trillions ofbody things.
The scientologists are muckingthem up, messing with them full
time and now we're going to haveto pay the price.
Okay, when those aliens comeback.
Scientology auditing 1 millionBTs per year might take several
million years to audit outExactly.
Thank you, phil.
Thank you, phil Jones.
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Scientology.
If there's one thing, if you'rea Scientologist and you're
watching this and you're likethere's no way, this is true,
this is nonsense.
These guys are making it up,it's not.
You can just Google operatingfate, level three, hubbard
handwriting and it'll be in hiswriting.
All the stuff that we've beentalking about, and one of the
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things that I think is a greatway to like kind of twist, uh, a
view some scientologistsunderstanding of scientology and
what's going on is that theirmain mission is to clear the
planet.
That's the main, that's theoverriding goal in Scientology,
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and the way you clear the planetis you get rid of a person's
engrams.
They're the things that arecausing them to have mental
problems.
And then you find out that it'sactually the body thetans which
are doing all the bad work andmaking all this happen.
Then you have to get rid of allyour body thetans and
Scientologists believe if theydo that with everybody then they
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will clear the planet.
Scientology can't even cleartheir own zip codes, much less
the planet.
So if you take the amount ofpeople that are going clear in
your zip code let's say it's 100a year then you just all you
have to do is just divide yourthe population of your zip code
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by a hundred.
That's how many years it'sgoing to take Scientology to
clear your zip code, and nomatter where you're a
Scientologist in the world,that's in the hundreds or
thousands of years that that'sgoing to take.
Now there's a kind of a hiccupthat gets into this and Claire
knows about this because weworked with David Miscavige for
many years at the internationalheadquarters and in I want to
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say in the when it was in theearly two thousands when he
canceled last lifetime clears.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Oh yeah, yeah, that was late nineties or early 2000,
2000.
Yeah, 2001.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Yeah, he basically said there's no such thing as a
last lifetime clear.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
so somebody who went clear in their last life and
then found a new body, they gotmore in grams somehow and, by
the way, we should mention Imean it's all fine and dandy for
david miscavige to cancel that,but there is uh, hubbard hcob
see, this is where claire says,like david miscavige's bullshit
is not the correct bullshit.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Hubbard had some actual bullshit which was legit
bullshit.
So, regardless, I'm just sayinglike, currently they're not
allowed to continue.
So if you say, if you so mything, that I was saying where
you take the number of peoplethey're clearing and then you
divide that by the year, well,you can't do a cumulative,
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because every half, every 100,let's say 100 years, let's just
say everybody's going to live to100.
Every 100 years you have tozero the board and start over,
because you're constantlygetting rid of people and then
you got to start all over again.
So you're never going to do,you're never going to clear the
planet.
That's the, that's the moral ofthe story.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
I don't think we did a very good job of explaining
last lifetime clears, though itdoesn't matter, nobody cares.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Okay, if you got audited last life, the point
being that Scientology, so what?
Claire's going to tell us, nomatter what we do.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
The first clear is quote unquote if there is which
there isn't, but whatever, and Isee your point, I just, I just,
we can do it very easily.
So if the first clears weremade in 1950, when Hubbard, you
know, wrote Dianetics, dianetics, the modern science of mental
health, then it follows thatsome of those people have died
(38:44):
now and come back in new bodies.
So there was a practice wheresome people claimed oh, last
lifetime I was a Scientologistand I reached the state of clear
, and now I've come back.
So I'm claiming my state ofclear.
I want my credit Right Anyhow,whatever, yeah, it is.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
whatever the amount of people, let's just we'll just
say that as well, like I wantto say, at the international
headquarters, at one point therewas almost a thousand people
there on that property.
How many last lifetime clearswould you say were at that
property?
The top of all of scientology.
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You had OT8s and the highesttrained Scientologists, and this
was the creme de la creme ofScientology.
How many last lifetime clearsdo you think were there at that
property?
A handful maybe.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Yeah, 50 to 100, maybe.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
It's not a lot of people in the overall scheme of
things.
So it's sort of if you had 100people that were clear, maybe
five of those people would havebeen last lifetime clears.
So that it still holds thatyou're not more than you think.
Scientology is not clear inanything.
They can't even freaking clearit.
(40:04):
Yeahi, yeah um okay, that's iton the words.
Let's just, let's um, let's zipin and see how our tally is
doing here on the xenu uh, sothere's 52 entries.
Should we do a giveaway now?
What time is it?
Speaker 2 (40:16):
yeah, we'll do a giveaway now.
Then we'll do answer a bunch ofquestions and comments.
There have been some reallygood questions hopefully
somebody's been starring.
Yeah, no, I've been fallingdown on the job.
I'll try and get back to that.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Okay, we're going to do a draw here, folks.
Okay.
So, claire, you say when?
To do it, claire, you're up onthe screen, you're the big,
you're the big boss.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Oh yay, oh, let's do it like that, okay, or?
Speaker 1 (40:40):
this, let's do it like that.
Or this, let's do it like that.
There we go.
Okay, are you ready?
Yep, oh, I gotta push.
Draw on the actual thing, noton the screen of the thing.
Okay, here we go draw.
There it is.
See, I wrote, put Zeno in thecomments, so I got entered in to
win too.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Didn't.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
I oh my goodness.
That was.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Shannon.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Has Shannon won before?
No, I don't think she ever wins.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
She has not.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
It always goes right by her name and then sometimes
it hangs on her, like it did onthat last one.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Congratulations, Shannon.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
And.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
I will say Shannon, and I think that Shannon was the
very first person to comment Inthe chat.
Yes, she commented about thethumbnail I'm going to go to it
now because of this, because Imake sure that there you go, she
commented, I think like an hourafter I put up the thing
yesterday.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yeah, I saw that.
Anyway, congratulations.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Shannon Finally.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Shannon and her husband are very good friends of
ours that we met actually inSan Antonio Texas.
Yeah, we met them in SanAntonio Texas and they knew who
we were, but we didn't know whothey were.
Anyway, we're not going to saywhere we met, but we did meet at
a a fun place.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Anyway, congratulations, sharon we are
shannon why don't I keep sayingsharon, I don't know, um, sorry
guys, I'm just like, I'm likeI'm getting back into this again
um congratulations, shannon umand um, we are gonna.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
She's going to call me like Brian.
Oh, she said I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
She'll call you Mark, with a K.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Shannon said I would like to donate my gift back to
somebody.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Awesome, we're going to do another draw then.
There you go Can we do that,let me see how we do this.
Does it say draw again?
There it is, draw again, sureenough.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Thanks see how we do this.
Does it?
Speaker 1 (42:37):
say draw again.
There it is, draw again.
Sure enough, thanks, shannon.
That's thank you, shannon.
That's fair, that is verygenerous of you, okay we're
gonna draw again sharon.
That was very generous of you,sharon.
Um, shannon, shannon, be sharon.
Oh my goodness, it was apreeminent faux pas.
(42:58):
I kept calling her Sharonbecause she was going to be
Sharon, okay.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Oh boy.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
We're going to draw again.
Claire, claire's going to callit.
Okay, you ready?
Yep, go for it.
Draw again.
Here we go, oh my goodness Okay.
Here we go, oh my goodness.
Okay, here we go.
It's doing it, it's doing it.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Witness.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Yay, there you go, congratulations Good to see you
here.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Witness, it has been a minute.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Yeah, okay, so it's how many minutes are we in?
Okay, good, we can docongratulations.
You know the drill you have to.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Oh yeah, here we go.
See, we're so rusty, yeahWitness.
Please send me an email, claire, at blown for goodcom.
Include the link to whateveryou would like from either the
blown for good merch store orthe SP shop.
Sp shop, we have Leahbobbleheads, mike bobbleheads,
sp bracelets, davey elves, soany of the regular edition items
(44:00):
from there.
Mark's book, whatever you'dlike.
Uh, audio book, kindle,actually not Kindle.
I don't know how to do that.
Audio book.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
I know how to do Um anyway, you can go to Amazon and
get a Kindle.
People that do Kindles knowwhere Kindles are.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Well, I know, but for for giveaway, I mean there's no
Kindle giveaways.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
Everybody has to pay for a Kindle.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
That was my point, Vanessa.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Amazon doesn't like me giving free stuff away.
Amazon wants their cut.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Yes, exactly, precisely Okay, All right so.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
You want to do some questions real quick and then
we'll do one last giveaway rightat the end.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Yeah, so sorry, guys.
Like we said, we're rusty here,so if you had a question, just
put it back in the comments withquestion so I can mark it,
cause I'm not very good at goingback through the chat to mark
those.
Well, there's 17 stars I know,but I'm just saying there were
some really good questions.
So if you had a really goodquestion that you wanted us to
(44:55):
answer right now, put it in nowand I'll keep an eye on it.
And as we go through thequestions we have marked, I'll
mark these.
Okay, there we go.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Cool.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Good, oh, look at that Shannon be sharing some
more.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
Shannon on a sharing roll.
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
It's Casey.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
For anyone new here, this has been a long standing.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
That's why her name is spelled that way.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Yes, exactly Cassie.
It's so good to see you here.
Thank you for being here,Thanks.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Only in a cold do you need to get permission to leave
.
Yeah, exactly.
Yes, that's from Phil Jones.
Thank you, Phil.
Oh, look, there you go.
Question.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Yeah, hold on.
How long did it take you?
Jennifer Arnold question howlong did it take you guys to
stop talking Scientologies?
That's a great question.
So, as we mentioned, we kind ofdid a force a force quit, if
you will when we moved.
So Mark escaped to Kansas CityMissouri.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
I followed three weeks later and there was no
Scientology in Kansas CityMissouri, though I did randomly
Do you remember the apartment westayed at and randomly like
Scientology promo startedshowing up at the person right
across the hall from us and wewere completely spooked by that,
the person that lived acrossthe hall was getting, like all
(46:27):
these mailers that we knew wecould see exactly what they were
Like for the purificationrundown and we were just like oh
no, all the way to Kansas Cityand our next door neighbors get,
yeah, junk man.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
but but like so literally, I went from being in
the hole, trapped in the hole,escaping uh.
So let's see, I escaped onmonday and seven days later
exactly, I started a job as awaitress at a pizza restaurant.
Talk about worlds apart, likethat's right, the pizza shop
(47:01):
yeah, so kansas city.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Kansas city lee summit pizza shop.
Yeah, the pizza shop guys, some, uh, some love there, go and
get some, go get a uh, and ofcourse, pizza and a slice.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
We've said this so many times but we, so I went and
got a job there.
Mark was waiting for me outsideand.
I went out and I was like, yeah, I got the job.
And he's like how much are theygoing to pay you?
I said I don't know.
I forgot to ask who cares.
It's not a cult, yay, anyway.
Oh, whoops, I promised to bemarking questions and I
completely forgot here.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
Well, I'm going to put up a Dr X.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
Okay, awesome Dr.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
X.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
Dr X, great to see you.
Hey guys, flight delay equalsBFG goodness.
Yay.
If you grew up in a Scientologyhousehold, do you actually talk
like that, or do you use normalterms like the rest of us Was
being born in help with theseterms for the core supervisor
post?
So, oh, that's such a greatquestion, such a good question.
(47:56):
Such a great question.
It's such a good question, sucha good question.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
You use those all the time, all the time In your
house.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
Yeah, all the time.
And so this is true for you,because your experience growing
up in Scientology was verydifferent to my experience,
mainly because my mother joinedthe Sea Organization when I was
four years old, at which point Ibecame a cadet, so I was, you
(48:22):
know.
The explanation of the cadetarc that I've now realized best
explains that experience is it'sLord of the Flies meets
orphanage, meets Nazi youth.
That's kind of the elementsthat really define what it's
like to grow up in the cadetorganization.
(48:42):
But yes, whether or not youwere in the C organization or
just born into a Scientologyfamily, those words are just
your language.
Like I said, that's the firstlanguage you learn.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
If you get in trouble .
When you're a Scientology kidyou have to go write up your OWs
If you get in trouble.
They have a thing inScientology called the
conditions.
Conditions are states ofexistence and you have
conditions above non-existenceand then you have conditions
below non-existence and thoseare conditions below
non-existence and those arecalled lower conditions and
(49:19):
those are like punishment.
So if you I don't know if youif you're egging cop cars from
the, from your apartment rightnext to the hollowade freeway,
you got to do ows and lowerconditions, yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
So um the other the other word that's very commonly
used.
Uh, when you're a child growingup in, Scientology is out
exchange.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Yes, if your parents are giving you a place to live
and food and everything, thenyou whatever let's just say
that's 500 bucks worth of goodsand services that your parents
are doling out to you Then youneed to be putting in $500 worth
of chores and work to equal outyour exchange.
Otherwise you're out exchange.
But yes, that is a very goodquestion and yes, at least our
(50:09):
upbringings in Scientology, weuse the language full-time.
And yes, if you're a kid, ifyou're a Scientologist and your
kid in Claire's case, she was inthe cadet org when she was
young, so it was mandatory thatshe did Scientology courses.
But in our family, in order tostay in good standing in the
family, you also had to doScientology courses.
(50:30):
So if I wasn't on course atnight after school, then I was
considered out exchange and outethics.
If I wasn't on course at nightafter school, then I was
considered out exchange and outethics.
So as a child I did lots ofScientology courses, and not I
did the kids ones at first, butthen after you do a few kids
courses, they're like okay, kidtime's over, you know what the
score is.
Now you're going to do the bigboy courses and when I was 12,
(50:51):
11 or 12, I was doing regularScientology courses that adults
were doing.
I was doing Scientologycounseling that adults would do.
So they didn't treat me anydifferent than a regular
Scientologist, I would say,starting when I was like 11 or
12.
So when you get into the Corganization after being
(51:12):
indoctrinated your whole life,you're even as a 15 year old.
That's when I joined the Corganization, when I was 15
years old, 120 hours a week,seven days a week for 15 years
basically.
But when you join the Corganization as a Scientology
kid that went to Scientologyschools and already did
(51:34):
Scientology courses, I was lightyears ahead of any of the other
people that were just joiningthe Sea Org, because I'd already
spent years and years and yearsstudying Scientology and
knowing all the terminology andknowing how to do counseling and
word clearing and all thosethings that you're supposed to
learn.
So yes, in Claire's case itwould help.
(51:58):
It helped her to get an easyposition.
I mean, when I was 15 years oldI was the vice president of two
different divisions in aninternational Scientology
organization.
I was the vice president forpersonnel, which in the
Scientology world they haveanother name for it.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
It's called the HCO area secretary but again rabbit
hole, we won't go down.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
But because because the organization I worked for
was not a Scientologyorganization, it was a non, it
was.
It was basically they werecalling it a secular or
non-secular.
It was the way they made itSecular.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
Yeah, secular means they don't use any of the
Scientology words.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
Yeah, so it was a secular division of Scientology
where they basically kind ofhomogenize all the Scientologies
into regular words.
Anyway, I was the vicepresident for personnel and then
I was the vice president foraccounts or treasury, whatever
they called it there.
So, yeah, they didn't careabout being a kid.
(52:58):
Okay, there's another one foryou.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
Yeah, question Is there any sort of weird
competition around what OT levelor auditor level you all are or
were, or who was the youngestto achieve clear or whatever?
Did baby David's set a record?
Clear by five, great question.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
It is a great question.
Yes, and he did.
Yeah, and he was known what wasit as the youngest class four
auditor or the youngest uh, theyoungest auditor to do the St
Hill special briefing course orsomething like that.
He did, david Miscavige, whenhis dad, ron Miscavige, went to
St Hill.
I want to say in the seventies,right, the sixties, or the
(53:45):
seventies, late sixties or theearly seventies.
Speaker 2 (53:48):
I guess it must've yeah it must've been the sixties
.
Speaker 1 (53:51):
I don't know.
Anyway, it was the sixties orthe seventies.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
I'm sure Janice Grady would know the answer to that
question.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
It's probably in Ron's book too.
Yeah, I'm sure it is.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
But also I love the story I think it was from Jesse
Prince who told the story abouthow, even though David Miscavige
, yes, was one of the youngestauditors and you're actually not
supposed to brag about thesethings, helen, but it's
absolutely a status thing 100%yes but then the actual story
(54:20):
was that David Miscavige, as theauditor or counselor, yelled at
the person he was auditing,which is a complete no.
No, you're absolutely notsupposed to do that.
Yeah, whatever.
Speaker 1 (54:33):
He was also.
Speaker 2 (54:34):
I mean, as long as we're telling david miscavige
stories oh, danielle chamberlainjust said he was at school with
me in the year uh, above hismid-70s.
There you go there you go.
Speaker 1 (54:45):
Poof, there you go, thank you danielle it's cool
with me in the year above, inthe mid-70s.
There you go.
So I was right, it was in the70s.
Um, they used to call himenrique in theta.
In theta is like a trouble, orwhen you're causing mis-emotion,
and you're in turbulent theta,which is like life energy.
Speaker 2 (55:05):
Yeah, and they called him enrique in theta because he
was like a little terror yeah,which, by the way, that's
another word and theta, that isabsolutely part of any
Scientology household.
If you're a child growing up inScientology or in the cadet org
, doesn't matter Like stop beingentheta.
Stop being entheta.
Speaker 1 (55:25):
Okay, there's one last question, and then we're
going to do the last giveaway.
Speaker 2 (55:28):
Okay, awesome Question.
Pakonopluk Question when youleft, how did you know which
words were Scientology words?
Speaker 1 (55:39):
My answer to that is I'm still figuring that out in
some cases, I'm not figuring itout, the ones people don't say
those are the Scientology onesOf course that's Mark.
Speaker 2 (55:47):
Can you tell that Mark's personality in
Scientology was rebel and minewas rule follower?
And now we're just figuringthings out.
Speaker 1 (55:55):
It was like yeah, you know, you know which ones I
mean you.
For the most part, yeah, andalso when you work in
Scientology, you're not, you'renot at a business meeting going,
you guys have OWs and and we'regoing to find out where the the
crazy body, things are.
(56:16):
And you're at no, when you're ina regular world, you switch off
the Scientologies and sometimesand that is a good point
sometimes Scientologists don'tswitch that off and they say
those words like outreality orviewpoint is another thing that
they say a lot in ScientologyInstead of point of view, they
say viewpoint.
They say a lot in Scientologyinstead of point of view, they
say viewpoint.
There's a few words that if youhear somebody say if you, if
(56:43):
they say one or two of thesewords and you're just watching
them in a video or somethingthey're talking to, you go like,
oh, this person might be aCylon and like when?
If I hear somebody say, um,affinity, if I hear somebody say
affinity.
If I hear somebody say Out.
Speaker 2 (56:56):
Ethics is a dead giveaway.
Speaker 1 (56:58):
Ethics or get your ethics in, like Tom Cruise said.
Speaker 2 (57:01):
Get your manners in, even the use of the word in.
Speaker 1 (57:05):
Yes, get your manners in, that's right.
That's a telltale In and outare.
Speaker 2 (57:12):
Those are very specifically used in Scientology
in a way that nobody uses thosethat way in the outside world
yeah, that's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (57:22):
So okay, um, great to see you, bfg.
Speaker 2 (57:25):
You gave up the great work just wanted to say thank
you, cannonball, appreciate youbeing here yeah, and thank you
for um, everybody who did superchats.
Speaker 1 (57:32):
We're not.
We don't.
I mean, if you want to supportthe channel, that's one way to
do it, and if you want, we'llput up the before we do this
last giveaway, we'll put up thelast of the stuff.
If you want to get any otherBFG merch, that's the best way
to support the channel is to getmerch, or the bobbleheads.
The bobbleheads and the SPdolls and all that go to support
(57:53):
the Aftermath Foundation, andthat's where you get a fake Navy
Davy dolls.
And do we have one of thoseguys here?
Speaker 2 (58:01):
You got a whole bunch of them back there at the
rocket here which which,speaking of the aftermath, we
made the big announcement thispast week that we changed the
name to the Michael J Rinderaftermath foundation.
For anyone watching here, wewould really appreciate if you
would go to the website RinderAftermath Foundation.
For anyone watching here, wewould really appreciate if you
would go to the website sign upfor the newsletter.
There'll be news newsletterscoming out starting this year
(58:25):
and in addition to that, we dohave a YouTube channel for the
Michael J Rinder AftermathFoundation.
We would love to get thesubscriber count there up past
10,000, which will mean that wecan, on occasion, do YouTube
fundraisers through that channel, and this channel would support
that.
So there you have it, but wecan do.
(58:46):
We'll have lots of foundationnews coming soon and we'll do a
dedicated talk about updatesthere and what's been going on,
because there's a lot going on.
So there you have it.
Speaker 1 (58:57):
Nice, I'm putting up all the comments.
There's some nice commentsabout that, so I'm putting those
up.
Cool, cool, cool, danielle.
Speaker 2 (59:04):
Chamberlain Yep.
Thank you, and Danielle, I'mvery sorry for your loss as well
, by the way.
Yes, rest in peace, nev.
Wonderful tribute to Mike, yes.
Speaker 1 (59:16):
Okay, cool.
Speaker 2 (59:17):
Thank you, Clara.
Speaker 1 (59:20):
We're going to do the last.
There you go, perfect, okay,yes, one last giveaway.
We're going to do one more draw.
Let's see, here we go.
You ready?
Tell me when.
Speaker 2 (59:32):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (59:34):
Go for it, click it.
Oh, there it is, it's clicking.
Speaker 2 (59:37):
I was clicking my clicking.
Speaker 1 (59:38):
Clicking Okay, here we go.
Oh stinky cat Almost.
Speaker 2 (59:46):
Oh M All right, wow, descriptive yeah.
Speaker 1 (59:49):
So M Good job, m Congratulations M.
Speaker 2 (59:54):
Congratulations M, congratulations M,
congratulations M.
Please send me an email with alink to what you would like.
Yeah there you have it.
Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Awesome guys.
Well, um, we did it.
We got another one in the bookswe're going to get.
Like I said, we're going to tryto uh, we'll try to do these
more often.
Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
I whenever I say that we go for like a month and we
don't do one, I know we weregonna do one last week.
We were.
It was just too much.
It was really.
We've been exhausted, burningboth ends of the stick as they
say, both ends of the candle.
Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
We were burning the candle.
If you were burning a stick, itwould just be smoky oh my gosh,
and yet, and anyway cool yeah,cool, cool, we's all good.
We did this one.
Yeah, okay, guys, thanks a lot.
Did I do all the things?
I did all the things.
Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
I think we did all the things.
Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
If we didn't thank you for staying to the very end,
like and subscribe and all thathappy hoo-ha.
And then you can listen to thisvideo where I'm going to tell
you a lot of other things youcan do.
Oh, let me say one other thingthat I've been wanting to say
I'm glad.
Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
I remembered.
So we have been um it becausewe haven't been doing these
lately.
We've been putting up someolder episodes on um on the
podcast platforms.
Um, if, uh, we've received alot of messages through the
podcast platforms, we have noway to respond to those.
(01:01:14):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
I'll say this in the podcast for those of you who
listen to the podcast, whichthere's a lot of people that
download the podcast I thinkwe're up to, I think, eight
9,000 downloads a week orsomething like that, which is
pretty good for a podcast.
But we went back.
We had a lot of requests to putold episodes that we did with
Mike Rinder and any old Q andA's that we did.
(01:01:36):
So we started for some reason,whenever we did videos on
YouTube, all of them would goonto the podcast.
For some reason we didn't do Qand A's.
I don't know why, but for somereason, maybe because it was
just so many of them or I don'tremember the reason, but
whatever the reason, we didn'thave the Q and A's up there and
a lot of people requested it.
So we went back to the verybeginning of the Q&As and we
(01:01:58):
just started releasing them andI think, out of 50 or 60 Q&A
episodes, I think I want to saywe're in the 30s or something
like that high 20s or 30s, sowe're going to keep doing that.
But there's a lot of old MikeRinder Q&As that are on there
and so people were hearing themnewly and um, and that's why?
Just because we were requested.
(01:02:19):
At the very top of the podcastdescription it says when that
episode originally aired.
If you're, if you want to goback and watch the actual video,
you can do that on our channel.
Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Yeah, but my point being that if you um have a
question and want to um want usto respond to it, best way is to
reach out to us through theBlown for Good website or clara
at blownforgoodcom.
Anyway, Clara says if you wantto send a video about Mike's
impact on you, you can view thetribute to Mike to learn how
(01:02:51):
Perfect Thank you, Clara.
Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
We'll put these links in the description as well, yes
, thank you, clara.
We'll put these links in thedescription as well.
Yes, okay, that was it.
Are we good now?
Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Yes, we're good now.
Sorry, I just wanted to getthat in because it was very
frustrating to me that we weregetting messages through the
podcast and couldn't respond andpeople were like is this how to
reach you?
Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
It says there was a cell number on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
Really.
Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
I don't think so that wasn't us?
Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
I don't think so.
Okay, I didn't put my cellnumber in there, me neither, oh
boy, anyway if you go to thepodcast.
Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
I think what it does is it says send a message or
text a message and you can justclick it and it'll send us a
message.
We do see those messages.
We just can't respond we justdon't have a way to respond,
because it would, we can pin.
I think we can pin yourquestion somewhere, but it's
it's a new feature.
That's not totally flushed no,we.
Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
We even messaged buzzsprout and we said hey, how
do we respond to these messages?
And they're like you, don't?
Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
yeah, apostate.
Alex says it was z news, so hemight have the technology to put
that in there.
Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Yeah, anyway, he's expecting.
Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
Okay, we did.
We went three minutes over.
Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
I'm a stickler for time People.
People say, if anything over anhour, it's just like they're
already tuned out.
Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Yep, there you go I don't know.
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On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!