35. Color Coding, Calendar Wars, and the G2 Pen That Got Away with Guest Angel Wilborn

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Welcome to Caffeinated Chaos,where business deals happen
between diaper changes andfriendships are fueled by
caffeine.
I'm Whitney GaN, your host, andI'm here to talk all things
business parenthood, and ofcourse keeping up with the BFFs,
whether you're juggling theboardroom, the playroom, or just
here for some coffee fuel chaos.
We've got you covered.
Get ready for real talk, laughsand a whole lot of heart as we

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dive into the beautiful messthat is entrepreneurship,
parenthood, and everything inbetween.
So let's embrace the chaostogether.
Ated, of course.
Today we are joined by AngelWilborn, who is the host of the
Mod Co podcast, the PR Toolkitpodcast, and an author.

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She's also the wife and a mom.
And in her spare time, sheenjoys organizing, having game
nights with her family, tryingnew restaurants, and most
importantly, my favorite thingin the world napping.
So let's welcome Angel to thepodcast.
Welcome to the show, angel.
Thanks for joining us.
Thank you so much for having me,Whitney.
I'm so excited to be here.

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I feel like we've been talkingon threads for a little while
now, and then we just spent likethe last like, I don't know,
five, 10 minutes talking to eachother before we even hit record.
Yes.
That seems to happen with me alot, is like by the time I hit
record with someone.
I feel like I've already knownthem for forever, and it's all
because of, like you said,talking before the show starts

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recording or even talking onthreads or social media or
something like that.
Oh my God.
Do you love threads?
'cause I love threads right nowI do love threads and sometimes
I forget about it because I'mreally big on scheduling, like
my social media posts to help melimit my time on social media.
And then I'll get anotification.
I'm like, oh man, threads, Iforgot all about you.

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And I'll go back and I'll doomscroll on it for forever in a
day.
And then I'll remember it forlike two or three days straight
and I'm doom scrolling on it.
And then I'll forget about it.
And I'm like.
Threads, I'm sorry.
I don't mean to put you on theback burner like that.
I, I really do love you andenjoy you.
I recently was like.
Doom scrolling like at nighttoo.

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And I don't know, I was like,must have been like hilariously
tired or something.
But I thought everything I wasposting was seriously funny.
And I was just like, I was likescrolling and like, people were
like this and that, and I'mlike, wow, you people are still
up.
And so I decided to post.
I was like, Hey, hey you.
Yeah, I see you doom scrollingright now.
I was like, how long have youbeen quote, going to bed?

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And then somebody, somebody waslike.
Two and a half hours and I go,me, I was like, oh dang, you
beat me by 30 minutes.
I guess you're number one.
That is hilarious.
It does because it.
You don't realize it, thatyou're like, okay, I picked it
up for this one thing, and thenext thing you know, you're
like, Ooh, this is interesting,and oh, I wanna connect with
this person and let me do this.

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And then you look up and you'relike, Hmm.
Four hours later.
And here, here we are.
Like I was supposed to go backto bed there.
Or I'll wake up in the middle ofthe night sometimes and I'll try
my hardest to go back to sleep.
And finally after, you know, 30,40 minutes of the whole toss and
turn routine, I'll be like,okay, let's see what's happening
on Threads or some other socialmedia site and.

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Then, yeah, you just down arabbit hole.
Yeah, I, I feel like sometimesmy husband is always just like,
he'll come into bed becauseusually what he'll do is he'll
put the newborn to sleep.
Okay.
I keep seeing newborn.
She's like six months now, buthe'll put her to sleep and then
he'll come in and put her in abed and then come into the
bedroom and then he'll like seeme and I'm just like watching TV

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and he'll like, pick up my phone'cause I won't have it in my
hand by then.
He'll pick up my phone, he'llplug it in and I swear he puts
it like the farthest reach awayfrom me.
And I'm like, oh.
I know what you're doing.
I get it.
And he's like, remember you havean 8:00 AM tomorrow.
And I was like, right.
Right.
8:00 AM and it's like 1:00 AM Ihave to go to sleep right now.

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Right now, right.
This.
But then when you tell yourself,I have to go to sleep right now,
then you don't go to sleep.
Yeah.
Right now.
And so it's like, well, I needthat to.
Kind of doom.
Scroll some more.
Or I'll be like, Ooh, this onereel was really funny.
And I'm like, okay, I'm gonnawatch one more.
I'm like, Ooh.
But that one was funny.
Let me see if I get evenfunnier.
Or if I don't know if this everhappened to you, I'll be like
watching reels and I'll get one.

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I'm like, oh, that one wasn'tthat great.
I really wanna end on a highnote.
So yes.
You know, that's trying to endon a high note.
Ends up taking me about another30, 40 minutes to find just the
right video to end on.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I feel you that way.
Gosh, I'm glad to know that I'mnot alone here.
And then I'll send them to, tomy husband and I get a little
frustrated sometimes.

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'cause he doesn't really, hedoesn't do social media like
that.
He has a Facebook page and Itell, I'm like, dude, just
delete your Facebook page'causeyou don't use it.
But I'll send him the videos.
And at one time he is like, oh,it won't let me see it because
it's like trying to make me login.
But then I think he figured outa way to be able to look at it
without logging in.
And so the next morning I'mlike, Hey, did you watch the 45

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reels that I sent you?
No, no.
I, I did and I'm like, oh, areyou going to, he's like, prob,
probably not.
Oh, but I really.
I really took time and effort todecide which ones to send you
because I probably watched about200 and I only sent you like 45
out of those 200.
So I, I don't feel like youappreciate the fact that I
didn't send you every single onethat I looked at.

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Yeah, we are like museumcurators.
We curated a collection for you.
I like really took my time andthought this out here and.
Yeah.
So I'm glad to know that, youknow, I'm not the only one that
has this issue here, I feel likeso many people are being like,
oh my God.
Yeah.
Yeah.
My partner does that too.
Mm-hmm.
And, and my husband too, when helike, tries to give you to go to

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sleep and stay away from myphone, he'll be like, Hey, come
here.
You wanna cuddle?
I'll watch all the videos yousent me and I was like, oh yeah.
'cause they're hits.
I like, let me just watch thehits.
Yeah.
And so he'll be holding it andbe scrolling and I can like see
the phone start to tilt'causehe's falling asleep and I'm just
like, no, no watch.
This is a good one.
I was like, pay attention tothis.
It did crack me up because.

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Like right before TikTok gotbanned, or, you know, for the
four hours that it was on, I'venever really been big on TikTok,
but my sister-in-law, so myhusband's, sister, she sent him
something she needed like somecode or coupon or something like
that for TikTok.
And so since he didn't have anaccount, he could sign up for it
and she would get like TikTokbucks or something.
I don't know.
She would get more.
Okay, so he signed, so he signedup for it so that she could get

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the point or whatever.
And he did that, and we watch alot of cooking shows.
And so he started finding likeall these like recipes.
So at first he's just sending merecipes and stuff, and the next
thing I know he's like sendingme like videos.
I'm like, Hmm.
Still on TikTok over there.
I see.
He's like, I need to delete it,but it has good recipes on
there.
And I started saying stuff andhe'd be like, oh, well I saw on

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TikTok and I saw on TikTok.
I said, if you start one moresentence with I saw on TikTok,
I.
Even.
Even our son was like, daddy, Ithought you said you were gonna
delete TikTok.
He was like, I am.
Today's the day.
He's like, I'm gonna do it.
I'm like, ah, okay.
Now you've been bitten by thebug here and you know what's
happening.
Yeah, I know.
It's so nice when it comes backand I'm just like, yeah.

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Yeah.
Send me another TikTok from thebathroom.
That's, I'm like, dude, I getit.
I don't need another TikTok.
Every time I looked down at myphone, I was like, oh, is this
how you feel when I'm sendingyou all the videos and reels and
stuff like that?
So, yeah.
Payback both ways, I should say.
Yeah.
Oh my God.
Okay, so we went on the.
Huge tangent.
We did it.
But I feel like so many peopleare like, oh my God.

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Yeah.
Yeah, me too.
So before we go any furtherthough, let's tell the listeners
about you.
Okay.
So I am Angel.
I am the host of the Mod Copodcast, and I'm also the owner
of the Modest Company, whichtalks about public relations and
how solopreneurs and smallbusiness owners can incorporate

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it into their business.
My podcast talks.
About the realness oforganization, entrepreneurship,
life in general.
We have all types ofconversations.
We have faith filledconversations, entrepreneurial
filled conversations,organization, just all kind of
things.
As I said, I'm a wife, and amom.
I have a 9-year-old son.
And so yeah, that's pretty muchme in a nutshell.

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Wow.
You love Instagram and sometimesTikTok.
Yes, yes, yes, I do.
I do my guilty pleasures.
Okay.
So you said that you doorganization, so like how do you
stay organized with, a kid and awife and a mother and your
business and on a podcast?
Because I know, like I juststarted my podcast recently and

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I'm still trying to fit it inlike.
Listeners before we even startedthis, the landscaper, company
was here and they were superloud outside that we had to
actually wait a little bitbefore we started recording.
And I thought I was being superorganized, scheduling it during
a time where they're supposed toalready be done, but you know,
things happen.
Yeah.
So how do you like.

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How do you stay organized?
Okay, so one, I like planners.
I'm very big on to-do listplanner, list and planners.
Yes, I'm a pen to paper type ofgirl.
I've tried digital planners.
I'm not a fan of them.
So I have two paper planners.
So one is.
My everyday like, life ishappening, this is what's going

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on.
And then I have my podcastplanner as well where I write
down my episodes, so I can keeptrack with like what number
episode it is, who was on there,all of that stuff.
And then also we have, I havemy, I guess like my Google
calendar.
So it's kind of digital, but notreally digital.
So my phone calendars where Iput, all of the stuff on there

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and.
My husband and I also have ajoint calendar and then
downstairs, so I have a lot ofcalendars downstairs.
We have a big, like it's awhiteboard, but it's a
whiteboard calendar.
Me too.
Yes.
It's, oh, I love it.
I, I love it.
I update it, once a month, everymonth we update it with the new
month.
I was looking at one of those, Ithink it's like a skylight, but

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I was like, do I want this or doI just wanna keep writing on my
calendar?
But I think I might do a littlebit more research on that and
put that on my wishlist.
So, one thing that I do is everyyear with school.
I know you said you have anewborn.
Is that the only child you have?
So I have a newborn and a athree-year-old toddler.
Okay.
Okay.
So, every year, like when we getthe school calendar, I

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automatically go through and onmy main calendar, on my paper
calendar, I'll write down allthe days that they're like outta
school and stuff like that.
Then I'll put that on.
Our joint calendar.
So we already know like whatdays he's outta school.
When my son, he plays soccer, sowhen he gets his soccer
schedule, I'm putting all thaton the joint calendar so that we
can see when soccer practices,when the game is, if it's not on

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the calendar, it does not exist.
To me, it's not gonna happenbecause I need to be able to see
it.
And one of the issues that I wasrunning into at first when I
first started my business was Ididn't have my calendars talking
to each other.
Mm-hmm.
So I would have something on.
My business calendar, but then Iwould have something like maybe

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on my personal calendar or myjoint calendar, like if I was
gonna go to my son's school orif I was gonna meet somebody for
breakfast or lunch or somethinglike that.
And I realized that they wereclashing with each other.
So what I started doing, justfor my own peace of mind and so
that I wouldn't have so manycalendars on my phone, is that I
just started putting, I'vestarted blocking time on my
business calendar or likeputting in on my business

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calendar what it was.
So that way when somebody wentto go book an appointment.
My scheduling app that I use isconnected to my calendar, so
there that time's not showing asavailable.
Even if it would be a time thatI would normally be available,
it's now not available because Ihave something else.
Right on there.
So that helped me a lot.
And then every Sunday, sometimesI do on, sometimes Sunday,

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sometimes I do it on Mondays.
It just depends on how I feel.
I'll look at my paper plannerand I'll look at my calendar on
my phone, and I'll write downwhatever I have going on for
that week.
Because most of the time.
When you're out, you don't haveyour paper planner with you.
You have your phone.
If you're at the doctor's officeor you're wherever and you're
scheduling an appointment,you're putting it in your phone
because I try not to get thosecards because that's just extra

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junk that ends up on the floorof my car.
So I'm like, Nope, I'll put itin my phone.
So every week I'll sit down andI'll look to see, okay, this is
what I have going on this week,and make sure that I have it on
my paper planner,'cause thatsits on my desk that I look at.
So those are some of the waysthat I stay organized as like my
to-do list.
My calendar and just trying tohave routines as well for stuff.

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Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
So I am very much like you.
I have a paper planner.
I have my Google, apple, I.
I, I don't even know what it'scalled.
The one that comes on theiPhone.
Right.
I got you.
and then I have the bigwhiteboard one, and I've been
trying to get my husband and myhousemate on this, like, you
gotta update the whiteboard.
You gotta update the whiteboard.

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And sometimes they forget.
Right.
So like, if you were to giveadvice to someone who's like us.
Who we do our calendars, butthey're trying to get more
people in their like household.
Maybe it's their kids who areold enough to write stuff on the
calendar or like a spouse or apartner.
What are some tips that youcould like.

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That you suggest for people likeus who's trying to get other
people around us to kind of comeon the calendar journey.
So one thing that I'll say isthat I don't like for anyone to
touch my calendar.
My whiteboard calendar is not,is not to be touched.
I remember a friend came overone day and I had two friends
over one day and we wereplanning like a get together.

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And so I said, okay, well justlet me know date.
She's like, I told you date.
Now she's walking out.
She like grabs a marker andwrites on my whiteboard.
I said, did you just touch mywhiteboard?
I was like, you have lost yourmind.
Do not write on my board.
And I remember when my sonwanted to start helping with
like when he saw me doing itevery month.
So he wanted to do it and oneday I came downstairs and he is
like, look mommy.

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He is like, I wrote the date andall the numbers on there, the
numbers in the month.
And I'm like.
Thank you, sweetie.
Thank you.
Thank you very, very much.
Mommy appreciate that.
And he's like, what can I writeon this?
So then he started like writinghis days off from school and I
was like, oh, I'm really tryinghere.
But I do not like people writingon my whiteboard.

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Please just don't touch it.
So what my husband does is myhusband, actually, he'll put it
in our joint calendar.
That's on.
Okay.
That's on the phone because eachmonth I sit down,'cause like I
said, it's just a monthlywhiteboard.
So at the end of each month I'llerase it and I'll put the stuff
on there.
And when I do that, I sit downand I look at our calendar for
like, since March is gearing tocome up, I'll sit down, I'll

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look at our calendar for March,and I'll write everything that
we already have on our calendar.
Mm-hmm.
Onto the whiteboard.
And then as we add stuff, youknow, throughout, like if my
husband comes home, he's like,oh, hey, me and a coworker are
gonna go out after work.
Okay, cool.
Make sure you put that on.
The joint calendar in the phoneand then I'll write it on the
board and usually when he saysit, I'll go ahead and I'll write

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it on the board.
Or if something comes up with myson's like school or something
like that, an event that we,that I we need to go to, then
I'll write that on there aswell.
So.
That's my tips.
I don't like for people to touchmy board, but, if you're not
like me and you don't mindpeople touching, you, don't mind
people touching your board.
You just have to like get themin the habit of letting them

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know that.
I try your hardest.
Like, if you don't tell me, thenhonestly it does not exist.
Mm-hmm.
And I may book something elsefor that time.
'cause I remember one time myhusband had told me that I think
Kim and his coworkers were goingout or something.
I said, oh, okay, cool.
And then I was trying toremember the date and I'm
looking at my phone and I waslike, Hey, such and such day,
let's do this.
And he's like, I, I'm going out,supposed going out today.

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I was like.
Didn't put it on the calendar,it does not exist in my mind.
So just kind of getting theminto that routine.
Maybe asking them like anyupdates going on, for this week
on Sundays.
Like pick a, pick a day.
Like I said, I do Sunday,sometimes Monday, so on Sundays
or Mondays be like, Hey, anyupdates for this week?
Did anything change?

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You have any appointments comingup?
You know, did you have any plansto go out with friends?
Just trying to get thatconversation going to see, and
if they do, you can say, Hey.
Go, go write it on the calendar.
Make sure you put it on thecalendar.
So then that becomes a part ofthat routine that okay, they
know on Sundays I need to checkmy schedule to see, yeah, if
anything has came up for thisweek or if anything's changed

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and I need to put that on thecalendar.
I mean, give them breaks becauseit's going to take time.
But that would be my tip.
That would be my tip for it.
Mm-hmm.
I love that.
I love the fact that now I'mlike, oh, maybe I'm not gonna
let anyone touch my boardanymore.
Because like then the, like theboard is like, Ooh, Whitney has
seen it and she is aware thatthat's what you're doing.

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Right?
Right.
And so I'm like, okay, if I saw,if they put it into the,
electronical calendar, which wejust use one calendar that just
says home.
Mm-hmm.
And it's like anything that'sour housemate or like the
children or whatever.
That way we don't have to manageall the different colors and all
that.
Right.
I manage the colors for me, likeblues for podcasting and all
that.
Yeah.
But then, yeah, but then that'sa great idea.

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'cause if I have them put theminto the electronical one and
then I look at it like I alwaysdo and update the whiteboard,
then I'm like, okay, this is nowstone.
This is set in.
Stone.
Right, right.
So it's like if you're not, ifyou don't get it in by Sunday,
then you ain't doing it thisweek.
It does not exist.
It does not exist all.
And I like to color coordinatetoo.

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Even with, like in my paperplanner that I write in, I'll
color coordinate in that.
And then also on the planner,I'll color coordinate on that
too.
Now, I don't use, not soparticular that I use the same
colors every single month forlike the same thing.
It's usually just.
Whatever color I grab first andthe first thing that I write,
like if it's a no school or halfday, if I happen to grab the red

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marker first and write no schoolon this day, then all school
activities for the month ofMarch are going to go in red.
If I grab the green one first,then all of them go in green.
But I know that I.
When I look at the calendar,okay, green is this, the only
person who I will say that has acolor that usually kind of
sticks with them is my husband,because his favorite color is

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brown, which I've just always,he's the o, that's the word.
My fa my husband's favoritecolor is Brown too.
Are you serious?
Is it a guy thing?
It must be Whitney.
When I first met him and he saidhis favorite color was brown, I
was like, you're kidding, right?
Like, who likes to color brown?
That's so, that's so weird.
So, well, I, I know guys tend tobe colorblind, maybe.
Maybe that's it.

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I don't know.
That's weird.
But yeah, that's his, that's hisfavorite color.
So his stuff usually getswritten in Brown because I, this
is weird, but I don't like theway the Brown bar it.
They all came out the same pack,but for some reason that one's
like thinner than the rest of'emor something.
I don't know.
I just, it's so weird.
Yeah, so the brown one usuallygets reserved for him, so he's
usually the only one that hasthe same code.

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So if I look on the calendar CBrown, I'm like, okay, that's
something that he has going onor needs to do.
So I love G two pens, right?
Mm-hmm.
And they have to be the 0.7.
Like I just love how they writeand they feel.
Yeah.
Um, maybe,'cause my mom reallyliked them when I was growing
up, so they were the pens thatwere always around our house.
Mm-hmm.
So I just like, they just feelright to me.
Yeah.
It's like when you're like brandloyal, so I have, I found this

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great thing and people see meall the time with it.
I'll bust out my planner andit's a pack of 20 4G two pens
and Angel, it opens up like abook and that's how they came
packaged.
It opens like a book and they'reall snapped into place and I
just never took them out.
And then I just close it and itresnap like Tupperware and then
you just go.

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And I was just like, oh my God,this is the most amazing thing
in my whole world and I needthis in my life.
I know, right?
I have to show it to you, whenwe end.
But it's amazing.
I feel like I've been using thesame color coding system for
like, most of my life where I'mjust like, okay.
I was like, orange is myfavorite color, so that is my
color.
Anything that's personal isorange, and then green was

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money.
Even before I bet my husband,like keeping myself organized, I
was like, green is money, moneygoing in, money going out.
So I just know where it's going.
And then my daughter, once she,I, I did like, uh, like red, no,
red is like, red is likeimportant, but then hers was
like the hot pink, you know,color that they have, right?
Um, but now that she is older,she's like, no, I want purple.

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And I go, fine.
Purple wasn't being used foranything.
You could have purple.
You could have only because itwasn't being used for anything.
If it was being used forsomething, you're, you're outta
luck there.
And then, and then she goes.
Jasmine, who's her littlesister, my six month old, she's
like, Jasmine is now pink.
And I go, okay, sure.
Jasmine's now pink.
And I'm like, and so it's gonnabe funny if Jasmine decides she

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wants purple when she gets oldertoo.
Oh my God.
I'm just gonna be like, no, youguys just work it out.
Or maybe purple will just be thekids color, you know?
Oh yeah.
That could work too.
Yeah.
Just like you guys just.
Take it to the arena first.
You last one standing getspurple.
Gets purple.
I love it.
Yeah, I feel like I've beenusing the same color coding

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system forever and there aretimes too where I'm just like,
oh man, I only have black.
And like if I have the basicsjust black and red that I always
keep in my purse and I'm justlike.
Okay, I'm gonna flip to the backof my planner where all those
dotted extra pages are.
I'm gonna write it in there.
Mm-hmm.
And then when I come back,you're gonna get color coded for
the week view, right?

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So I used to have, I've recentlyfell in love with the, I used to
use the ones that you did, butI've recently fell in love with
the Sharpie brand pinned, and soI use their Those are good too.
Yes.
I love them.
So I use their ink pens, andthen I also use like.
I still consider it a pen, but Iguess it's like a pen slash
permanent marker type thing.

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But it's really thin.
It writes like a pen, like itdoesn't bleed through the page,
but the outside of it kindalooks more like a permanent
marker.
But anyways, huh.
So I fell in love with those andI think it's still like a fine
point or something like that.
So at one point in time I had, Ibought a whole pack that was in
my purse.
So one pack was in my purse.
When I worked my corporate job,I brought, bought my own pack

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for work that I had, and then Ihad like another pack.
Um, at home as well.
And the ones in my purse, Istarted using them so much that
they died down and I didn'treplace them.
And so now I think I'm just downto the orange one and I'm like,
Ooh, I really need to replacethis.
I did the same thing.
I went in my purse the otherday, think we were at church and
I was getting ready to startwriting notes for church.

(22:15):
And I like, that's probably howmost of'em died.
'cause I would do my note, youknow, into like a different
color, whichever color.
I pulled out my purse and I wentto go pull it out and I was
like, all I have is black pensin here.
I was like.
Well, that's boring.
I, I said, well, I guess I don'treally have a choice, but how
did I get down to three blackpens in my purse?
And I was like, where are mycolorful ones at?

(22:36):
So I need to restock so that Ican have my colorful pens.
Okay.
I'm two, my gosh, we're talkingabout pens now.
Two pen stories.
Um, those like thin pointsharpies that you were talking
about.
Yes.
Mm-hmm.
Um, so I actually got like afive pack and what we do is we
have it like, rubber bandtogether, and we take them to
Disneyland.
And my daughter has, um, thislike 100 Disney characters book.

(23:00):
Oh yeah.
Where that has little bios aboutthem.
Yeah.
So you're not going in justgetting like, just the autograph
book all the time.
And so we use those pens andthen the character can pick one
of the five and then write.
Over the section That's liketalking about Mulan or talking
about Gean.
Oh, cool.
And so then like when she learnsto read, she can read about her
characters, and then there'salso like the autograph and then

(23:22):
the picture that go with herthat goes with it.
Like, you know, and we just usethem as Yeah.
Little bookmarks.
Oh, that's really cool.
I like that.
Yeah.
We're such a big Disney family.
Um, me and my husband we met atDisneyland and my, my mom and my
sisters have both worked atDisney, so it's like.
Big old Disney family.
Yeah.
And then, my husband is intothose Sharpie pens.

(23:44):
He loves those.
Yes.
Yeah.
They're so amazing.
Like, they just write so niceand so smooth and, I'm obsessed.
And then I found out that they,because at first I only had'em
in, I think like just black and.
I found out that they came inlike different colors, so I
bought like a whole differentpack.
Not only did they come withdifferent colors, but the
outside of the pen also comes inlike a different color than

(24:07):
just,'cause the first ones Ihad, I think were just maybe
like a standard white on theoutside or something.
But then I also discovered thatthey come in like different,
colors on the outside and so Ibought, yeah, I bought a four
pack because it came with myfavorite shade of green and I
was like, oh, I need this in mylife.
Like if you could, I know my.
My screen's kind of blurred, butyou can probably see kinda like
the color on my wall here.

(24:28):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, so that's like pretty muchmy favorite shade of green.
So my keyboard is that color.
My mouse is that color.
The case that I bought for mycomputer, that color.
And yeah, I found out thesharpie pens had it, that color.
I was like.
Heck yeah, I'm, I'm on it.
So, and listeners, we are notsponsored by these, uh, pen
companies, but I mean, come on,Sharpie and, and G two pilots.

(24:52):
Our info's down below it isbecause we can, apparently, we
can talk a whole podcast aboutthis.
We can.
I mean, I'm currently looking atabout probably 15 to 20 sharpie
pins over here, so we're justsaying.
Okay, so let's move on frompens, although I know it's gonna
be hard.
It's okay.

(25:12):
So you have a 9-year-old son.
Yes.
So what is your favorite thingabout being a business owner and
a parent?
Or, or like, what's yourchallenges?
Anything you wanna talk about?
It can be hard.
I'll say a challenge is that.
It can be hard sometime to findthat balance between being a
business owner and being aparent, because there's times

(25:34):
when I'm like, I really need towork on something.
Like I really need to dosomething.
And we're really big on, we dolike family game nights.
We play games almost every nightin our house, and we're
currently stuck on.
Mega monopoly.
And I mean, everybody knowsMonopoly could take a while.
And so Mega Monopoly takes awhile as well.
And so there's like nights wheremy husband saying like, oh, you

(25:55):
wanna play Monopoly?
And I'm like, sure.
Yeah.
'cause you don't wanna miss outon that family time.
And I'm like, okay, I'll juststay up late and get stuff done
and then I actually end up notstaying up late to get stuff
done.
So I would say like definitelyjust trying to find that balance
of.
I have to work on this stuff.
And then I also need to makesure that I'm spending time

(26:18):
with, you know, my kid with myfamily.
This summer was a really biglearning curve.
Um, for me.
It was my first summer beinghome full-time with my son, so
he was home full-time.
He wasn't in camp or anythinglike that.
Mm-hmm.
And I was just like, yes, I'mgonna get so much stuff done
this summer.
It's gonna be great.
Like.
We're home every day and I'mjust gonna be knocking stuff

(26:40):
out.
Well, not thinking that I haveto entertain a 9-year-old and
he's an only child, whichthere's nothing wrong with that.
I, grew up as an only child,and, but they wanna be
entertained like at some pointin time, you get bored just
doing stuff by yourself.
Yeah.
And it would be like, he's like,so what are we doing today?
Mom and I ended up looking uplike all these different
activities that we could do.

(27:00):
Our local park had a lot ofstuff going on.
We spent, probably every week inthe pool between two of his
friends neighborhood pools, andwe'd be there pool dates that
were supposed to last for, twohours end up lasting like five
or six hours.
We get there like 10 o'clock inthe morning and yeah, we're
leaving at like four or fiveo'clock in the afternoon, and so
it just ended up being allstuff.
So I had to find that finebalance sleeping like, okay,

(27:24):
Tuesdays are my day to work.
So I'd have to tell'em like,okay.
Tuesday, this is what mommy'sdoing on Tuesday.
I have three podcast recordingsin, I have this that I have to
work on, so you're gonna have toentertain yourself, play with
your switch, do whatever.
And then be like, Monday andWednesday are the days that,
'cause I think it was likeWednesday.
I know for sure on Wednesdays.
Every Wednesday we go dowatercolor, painting in the

(27:46):
park.
We would do that.
Mm-hmm.
And then he'd play around thepark for a little bit and we
usually go get something to eat.
And that was definitely our dayto just hang out.
And then.
Another day of the week, we gotscheduled with our swim dates.
We tried to keep those on trackfor the same day of the week.
So I think towards the end ofthe summer I kind of got like my
balancing act down a little bitof.

(28:09):
Having a day strictly to belike, okay, this is the day that
I work on.
These are the days that we'redoing other things.
And when we have some downtimein between doing activities,
I'll work some stuff in thereor, and I also work really well
at night too, and it was easierthrough the summertime because
we're sleeping in a littlelater.
So if I stay up a little later,then it's okay because I get to

(28:30):
sleep in a little bit later.
So I would say that that.
Was one of the challenges.
I would say the reward of it isthat you do get that extra time
to, to spend with them.
Being able to like pick'em upfrom school.
It's really cool.
Or just like dropping'em offbecause my husband would always
do drop offs when I work, sobeing able to drop'em off or.

(28:53):
Just being able to go to eventsthat he has at a school in the
middle of the day without havingto worry about taking time off
of work, or is somebody gonnasay something or have an
attitude because I needed toleave early or take the whole
day off, especially when.
They would have something at theschool at 10 o'clock in the
morning.

(29:13):
Well, I don't wanna get to workat seven o'clock and then turn
around and leave two and a halfhours later to come to this
event at 10 o'clock.
That's going to, and usuallyevents at schools is elementary
schools.
They last like.
30, maybe 40 minutes, so, right.
I'm not going back to work afterthat.
'cause my job was like 30, 40minutes away, so I'm not going
back to work after that.
So it'd be a whole day that Iend up taking off.
So now being able to be like,okay, cool.

(29:35):
I'm gonna go to this event at 10o'clock in the morning, or I'm
gonna go and volunteer for lunchat his school.
That's really rewarding and I'mreally happy that I'm able to be
able to do that.
Yeah.
You definitely got through likethe chaotic moments of just
being like, yeah, full time.
Oh wait, hi son.
Like, right, right, right.

(29:56):
Yes, definitely.
I'm like, I'm starting to getback into the rhythm too, so I
still work part-time for my oldboss.
They just, I'm just like anassistant for them getting their
stuff up to speed and.
Before this, I had just gotten,you know, I'm, I'm still
postpartum because, that tendsto last for a while, but I feel
like now I'm like starting tofeel.

(30:19):
Fully energized again, and likeback in the rhythm of like,
okay, I feel good today.
You know, instead of just beinglike, oh my God, the life is
being sucked out of me.
Like mm-hmm.
Every time I'm like, breastfeed.
And it just feels like, it'salso just like drawing the
energy and, my six month old,she's a good 17 pounds and so.
You know, and that's a lot oflike weight you're holding up

(30:42):
and just being like, are youdone yet?
Are you done?
Yeah.
Like, are you full?
Yeah.
Let's wrap this up here, please.
I swear we have so many, mydaughter has so many of those,
like, marshmallows.
Marshmallows.
Um, yeah.
And I'm just like, tuck it underthe baby.
Like something to help you, likebalance it out and take some of
the, the weight off of it.

(31:03):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm like, oh, go get Chewbacca.
I was like, Mikayla, go getChewbacca.
All right, come on.
Okay.
Oh, um, a little bit more.
Go get Mickey Mouse.
Like, come on.
Yeah, stick.
Just stick them all under here.
I listen.
I completely get it.
My son is almost 90 pounds andsometimes he'll like fall asleep
on my arm or something.
And one morning I woke up.
I was like, why does my arm hurtso bad?

(31:25):
I was like, like, I didn't workout yesterday.
I don't know what's happening.
And then like the next daystill.
Really hurts what's happening.
So then in my mind, still goingcrazy, I'm like, are these
symptoms of a heart attack?
What's happening?
I was like, and it finally.
A 90 pound kid was laying hishead on my arm.

(31:47):
Mm-hmm.
And now, you know, my arm is, Idon't even know if it's asleep
or what it is that's going on,but I'm like, oh, that's what's
wrong with my arm.
Not a heart attack.
Glad, glad to know that.
Just, yeah, just the 90 poundhead.
Because it's totally, it'stotally like arm day, you know,
where it's just like, or, orwith my daughter too.
She's not as clingy anymore whenshe was then, when her sister

(32:07):
was born.
But I'm like, okay, I got thebaby and then I got the toddler,
you know, and then I'm justlike, my arms are gonna be like
two different strengths.
Because one's holding like a 30pound kid and one's holding like
a seven pounder at the time.
And I was just like, alrightguys, like, okay, can we swap?
You know, I gotta, I, you haveto like swap arms with'em like,
okay, today you get on the rightarm, this one gets on the left

(32:30):
arm and we gotta balance thisthing out here.
Yeah.
Okay.
Like even days you are on theright.
Odd days you're on the left.
And then I'm like, oh, sorry,legs, I guess we're not doing
anything unless I walk aroundholding them at the same time,
all your legs, right?
You had to like put'em on yourlegs and like lift your legs up
or something like that.
Or you could let your daughterlike lay across your legs and
like lift her up on, on yourlegs or something.

(32:52):
She thinks me sitting at theedge of the bed is me always
wanting to play Seesaw and I'mlike.
I'm like, okay, 1, 2, 3, up, andSeesaws broken.
Okay, we're done.
Yeah.
Toddlers, once you startsomething with them, you can't,
heck, nine year olds, once youstart something with them, you,
you can't stop.
So I, I get it.
I would say that it gets betterwith age, but it doesn't unless

(33:14):
it's just a boy thing.
'cause I mean, I love my son,but he's definitely a stage five
clinger.
Like, I'm honestly surprisedthat he has not come running in
here yet.
So, yeah, he's, he's attached tome at the hip.
I don't know.
I think I got lucky.
My, my daughter Mikayla, thetoddler, she's like, oh mommy,
you're back.
Like, you know, all sweet.
And then, and then the next dayor whatever, I come walking and

(33:37):
she goes.
What are you doing here?
And I'm like, I live here.
Like I live here, right Mom?
I'm like, okay.
And then she'll be like, youbrought me something.
And I'm like, no, your dad justpacked my lunch in a target bag
and I'm just bringing home emptyTupperware.
And some she just opens it upand she goes, Aw, it's dirty.

(34:01):
And I was like, yeah, baby.
It's just empty.
Tupperware, my bad.
He was like, uh, I'm done withyou.
Nevermind.
No, no, thank you.
Leave, leave me alone.
Now, see my son, my son's theopposite.
He's like, where are you going?
When are you gonna be back?
Who are you going with?
And if I'm going out with likeone of his friend's moms, he's
like.
Well, are they coming?
Like he'll, are the boys comingtoo?
And I'm like, no, it's just themoms going out.

(34:24):
It's always just the moms goingout.
Like y'all are always out.
Did you forget about the 800play dates that y'all had over
the summer and on top of that?
Two of, because all three of'emused to go to the same school,
but now one of'em goes to adifferent school.
But I'm like.
You saw'em at school today, youand I.
One time we were laughingbecause one of'em, this was when

(34:46):
they were in the first grade, sothey were in the same first
grade class together.
Mm-hmm.
They played on the same soccerteam, went to after school
together, and we also went tothe same church.
And so like one Sunday afterchurch, they're holding like
this 10 minute conversation andsomebody was like, what is it
that they have to talk about?
He was like.
They've only seen each otherthis entire week, like literally

(35:08):
every day.
This week they have beentogether.
Not sure what this conversationis about or why we have to spend
an extra 10 minutes here forthem to have this conversation,
but yeah, he's like, but whereare you coming back?
Where are you going?
How long can I come with you?
I'm like, no, it's for adultsonly.
But please can I just, can Iplease just come with you
though?
I'll just, I'll be really quiet.
I promise I'll be quiet.
I'm like, Nope.

(35:29):
For adults, you always have togo on adult only things.
Sorry, sorry, my, my once amonth of going out with other
moms is really putting a damperin your life right here.
I apologize.
So I, I know that one night isreally messing up their social
calendar, man.
It is the audacity.
I mean, when, you know the, Imean, his whole social calendar,

(35:50):
my whole calendar is filled up.
One time he had two birthdayparties in the same day.
Like, dude, come on.
Two, oh my gosh.
In the same day.
In the same day.
One was from like.
10 to 12 or 11 to one, somethinglike that.
And the other one was from likethree to five.
Same day, like the month of Junelast year, he had a birthday
party every single weekend.

(36:12):
Every single weekend, excuse me,for going out to eat once a
month.
I'm so glad that my kid is.
Like, she's not in school yet,but like the only two other kids
in our, that she knows is one ofour friends has a 2-year-old
daughter.
Okay.
So like, she's like in themiddle of my two kids.
Right.
And, and she's finally, youknow, they're finally able to

(36:33):
kind of start relating to eachother because the two year old's
catching up, and like being ableto talk and like form sentences
where my toddler just like,let's play this.
And, and the two year old'slike.
Nah.
You know, like not, not quiteinterested yet in kind of like
the bigger toys yet.
Um, and then the other kids thatmy daughter knows are, twin boys

(36:55):
who are also like one and ahalf, right.
She was the first born in ourgroup of friends.
Gotcha.
And so she's just like, come on,like, you know, to play with
people and then.
So, but she'll go and she'll belike, oh, uncle, like, you know,
come play with me.
And he's like, don't you wannaplay with my daughter?
And she goes.

(37:16):
Mm, no, come on uncle, you playwith me.
It's like, no, thank you.
She's not, she's not veryentertaining.
I don't, I don't wanna do that.
And it's a, so then like his2-year-old and my six month old
are just staring at each otherat the same LightUp toy and
they're just like, okay.
And my toddler has taken her dadoff and uncle, and they're just

(37:36):
like, let's play, let's playBarbies.
Or let's play like.
What is she into?
She's into bluey scavenger hunt.
It's this super simple like cardgame, okay.
Where like you spin a littledial and it gives you a color.
It's kinda like Candyland.
So then you go to that color.
Okay.
And then that, that color haslike a magnifying glass, which
means like pick up a card and gofind something.

(37:57):
So then she'll like go findsomething red.
And my three-year-old doesn'tknow how to read the room.
Obviously she gets the one toythat the two other kids are
looking at that happens to beread.
And she goes, I got it.
And now they're just like, whatthe, where'd it go?
Like it's right now they'recrying and they're upset, ed.
And I was like, okay, you get apoint, but go put it back for an

(38:20):
extra points.
Right.
Oh my goodness.
Poor, poor kid.
She's just like, I just wantsomebody to play with and
they're just not doing it forme.
It is not, it's not working outfor me.
No.
Oh my goodness.
Yeah.
And I've said this, I've saidthis to like other guests too.
Um.
Where she'll go and she'll likego into my housemate, he really
likes playing magic or likegetting like card games, right?

(38:43):
Mm-hmm.
And she'll, she's supercomfortable in public.
She'll go out, she goes, hi, I'mMcKayla, and that's uncle, and
that's mommy, and that's Jasmineand that's daddy.
And we're looking for Pokemoncards.
And then they're like.
Okay.
Um, but it's, it's over that inthat aisle.
And she goes, come on uncle,let's go.
And I'm like, and I'm like,dang, she got you by the leash,

(39:06):
right?
Like, dude.
And he's just like, okay, comeon, let's, let's go.
He, but I mean, it's good thathe's like a good sport and he
plays along, but yeah, she'sdefinitely, definitely got him
wrapped around her finger.
Oh, 100%.
Yeah.
That's gonna be, they're likebest friends though.
That's cute though.
And that's what uncles andaunties are supposed to be.

(39:27):
You know, it's like, oh, mommysaid no.
Okay.
Mommy and daddy said no.
Okay.
Well, call me.
I, I got this for you.
I'll do it for you.
Yep.
I suppose my sister-in-lawcalled one Day'cause she's like,
my niece wanted some LightUpshoes, and she's like, I'm not
paying no money for LightUpshoes.
She's like, that's stupid.
I was like, if you don't getthat baby those LightUp shoes,
she's like, I'm not buying them.
I said, well then you shouldn'thave called me.
I said, you need to get her theshoes.
And she's like, I'm not gettingher.
I said, put her on the phone.

(39:48):
So I was like, auntie's gonnaget you the shoes.
I was like, you tell mommy toget the shoes?
I said, and Auntie's gonna giveyou, auntie's gonna give you
shoes.
She said, okay.
But then they didn't have her,my sister-in-law claims they
didn't have her size.
I was like, mm-hmm.
Did they really not?
Are you still at the store?
Lemme speak to them and see ifthey actually did not have her
size.
'cause I don't believe you rightnow.
So yeah.

(40:09):
My daughter has taken to, takingpictures of things she wants in
the store, like at Target orwhatever, and then being like,
can you send that to Lola, whichis grandma in my culture.
And she's like, send that toLola.
And I was like, okay.
I was like, Hey mom.
Mikayla wants me to send youthis.

(40:29):
And then, so then my mom wouldcall and she'd be like,
FaceTiming.
She goes, put Mikayla on.
And I was like, okay, here yougo, Lola.
And she goes, what do you want,baby?
And then she's like this, andshe's like, holding it up super
close that my mom can't and seewhat it is, right?
And then she goes, how much isit?
And my daughter, she get, sheknows her numbers, right?
She knows the individualnumbers, but she, she doesn't

(40:50):
get reading them from left toright sometimes, or she'll like,
just mix them up.
Or she'll get sidetracked andshe goes, uh, it's 4, 5, 2, 1.
And I was like, my mom's like$54or whatever I said, and I was
like, oh, no, no, it's, it's$25,you know, 26 probably.

(41:11):
And then she goes, okay, I'll Zyou.
And I was like, okay, sure.
And she goes, go ahead baby,grab it.
And she goes, I don't want that.
I want this one now.
And I'm like.
Great.
And I was like, all right, fiveminutes in the target until Lola
picks one.
Yep.
That's sounds about like my son,he still does that.
He, he'll say something, I'mlike, well, guess you need to

(41:32):
call Gaga, which is my mom.
I'm like, guess you need to callGaga or Paul, or Nana because
nope, not doing it again.
He'll call'em and they'll do it.
Or he had this obsession.
He went through this phase wherehe was obsessed with monster
trucks.
Like he had to have all thesemonster trucks.
So he had everyone like in thestore, my mom, my husband's mom,
my husband's sister, they're allin the store looking for like

(41:54):
these certain monster trucks.
For him.
He just had to, he had to have'em.
So they're all looking for'em.
Then when he was really into PJMask, they came out with like
the water toys or something, Idon't know.
So, and the toys were.
I think maybe like 25,$30 apiece.
I can't remember.
But he wanted to have them all,I think him and my husband went

(42:16):
to the store and I think myhusband got'em like two.
And he's like, no, we're notbuying because there's like, not
PJ Mass Paw Patrol.
Sorry, not pj.
Mass Paw Patrol.
Okay.
And my husband's like, we're notbuying all of these.
It's six paw patrols and thesethings called I, I really think
they're like$25 a piece orsomething like that.
He's like, no, he's not, right.
We're not.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, he's like, no, we'renot doing it.
So I don't know who he happened,who my husband happened to be on

(42:39):
the phone with when they were inthe store.
But next thing we know, we'regetting Zealed and Apple pay
money from all differentdirections and they're like,
y'all need to take'em back tothe store and get it.
So took'em back to the store.
He gets all six of them, I thinklike maybe two or three days
later.
He's like, yeah, I'm over it.
I don't want'em anymore.
It's like, yeah.

(43:00):
Yep.
We tried.
Yeah, we tried to tell you guysthat.
So it again doesn't get betteras they get older.
No, I wish I could say it.
We've, we've talked about likeso much.
I love this.
I, I love the fact that we, westarted off with talking about
social media and threads, andthen we went into like pens.
Yep.
Yep.
So good.
I've never talked that muchabout pens ever in my life, but

(43:21):
I'm so here for it because I'mlike, someone needs to know my
love of all these colored pens.
Yeah.
It's like a special, I don'tthink people understand it, but
it's like a very serious loveand it's very important.
I don't like when people take mypens.
I don't like mm-hmm.
Yeah.
No, give them back to me,please.
So, no, I'm here for it.
I, I understand, I understand.

(43:43):
It's a very important, it's avery important relationship.
Yes.
Yes.
Okay.
But before we wrap up, I wannamake sure that people, get to
hear about your new podcast hub.
Yes.
So myself and another podcasthost, her name is, Ellen.
She goes by Coach Ellen.
We actually, we connected onthreads as well.

(44:04):
We connected on threads, I thinkback in like.
August or September, and it tookus until probably November or
December to actually have aconversation with each other.
Finally had a conversation witheach other.
We hit it off much like me andWhitney have, hit it off with
each other.
We were both on each other'spodcast.
And then after the podcast wejust happened to be talking,

(44:25):
about something and was like,let's stay connected, you know,
in case there's like any otherideas that come across.
And I was like, oh yeah.
I said Yes, and I've been havinglike this really like.
Idea that's been nagging at me.
I wanna start like a podcastdirectory and she's like, oh my
gosh.
She said, me too.
She's like, alright, let's putour brains together on this and
like talk about us.
Okay.

(44:46):
So that was at the end of lastyear, 2024.
And we like took the holidaysand stuff like that and then we
regrouped in like maybemid-January.
We both did like some marketresearch for it regrouped in
mid-January and we launched it.
The first Monday in February.
I wanna say dates are like ablur to me right now, but I
think it was like the firstMonday in February.

(45:08):
But anyways, it's called thePodcast Hub and it is a,
directory.
It's a paid directory, so we'redoing$50 for the a year or$5 a
month for the first 50 peoplethat sign up.
And then after the first 50people sign up, it'll be$10 a
month or a hundred dollars ayear.
We're currently at.
I think like 22, 23 members fromour launch.

(45:30):
Nice.
That just happened like two anda half, three weeks ago.
Thank you.
Yeah.
So it's, a directory where ifyou're looking to be a guest on
a podcast, you can go in thereand post that.
You know, you'll, you arelooking to be a guest, what it
is that you speak about.
If you need a guest for yourpodcast.
You post in there about meetinga guest and what it is that
you're looking for.
We also have like podcast techsupport in there.

(45:51):
There's a guy who's in there whodoes like the techie side of
podcasts and stuff, so you couldask him questions and pick his
brain about that.
Awesome.
We've also put like resources inthere from our own businesses,
so I put some public relationsresources in there.
I did a webinar, the 12th ofthis month about how to be a
good podcast guest, so Iuploaded that information into

(46:13):
there.
I've also put some of myinformation in there about like
how to pitch yourself anddifferent things related to PR
and podcasting in there.
Ellen has put some stuff inthere.
We also have another list ofresources of like tools that we
use ourselves for our businessand for podcasting as well.
So we created it because we werejust tired of all the fluff and

(46:34):
spam that you can get.
Sometimes I'm not.
Mm-hmm.
Facebook groups are great.
I got a lot of.
Guests from Facebook groups whenI was first starting out, but we
also realized how overwhelmingit can be and how sometimes,
yeah, it can just be like reallyspammy being in there.
Or when you're in a group with,you know, a hundred thousand
people, you kind of get lost init.
And we're also tired of like thepay to play type thing where

(46:58):
you're talking with somebodyabout being on their show.
And you're like, okay, this is agreat fit.
And then you go and they'relike, oh, well it's$50 to be on
my show, or, you know, it'swhatever.
Because that's happened to mebefore.
Someone put out the, in one of apodcasting group that they were
interested in, you know, guests.
And I said that I wanted to be aguest.
And then we're messaging andwe're talking and we set up the
time and they're like, okay, soit's$45.

(47:19):
And I was like, you never saidanything.
About it costing.
And she was like, oh, well I cando a mini session for$10 then or
something.
I'm like, no, no, thank you.
And I went back and looked atthe post to make sure I didn't
miss anything about it costingright.
And I saw other peoplecommenting, saying, Hey, you
need to let people know thatthis costs before we go on
there.
So we were just tired of stufflike that.

(47:40):
So.
In the group, there is no pay toplay.
If you're looking for a guestfor your show, you cannot be
charging people to come onto toyour show.
It's just, like I said, it's nospam, no fluff, no nonsense.
Just straightforward.
Find a guest.
Be a guest.
Get extra help with anypodcasting questions or things
that you may have.
I love that because when I wasbuilding this podcast and I was,

(48:04):
you know, I just had the babyand so I was just like, I really
wanna try to get this down.
Uh, it was something that Iwanted to start during the
pregnancy, but I had a reallyrough pregnancy and so I just
didn't have the energy to, and,and when I was coming out and of
the funk from, having mydaughter.
I was just like, I really wannaget this down.
And luckily somebody who I likewas connecting with anyway, she,

(48:27):
um, her name's Erica Rooney.
She does glass ceilings andsticky floors and her podcast.
Yeah.
Love it.
And she just, she just releasedthe book by the same, um, name
and she was like.
Girl, mama, you got like 30minutes.
I got 30 minutes.
Like hop on, hop on Zoom rightnow.
And I was like, okay.
Yeah.
And she goes, this is what youneed.
Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

(48:48):
And I was like, thank you.
You know, like, and she waslike, and here's my application.
Feel free to just copy it andwrite your, you know, whatever
you need.
And I was just like.
Awesome.
Like, thank you so much.
And she's like, no biggie.
Like, have a great day.
You know?
And then she was gone, you know?
Yeah.
It was just like little fairygodmother, like dust.
Yeah.
And, and we still talk about it.
I, I'm like, I always talk abouthow like lucky I was because

(49:10):
without you, I would've had tolike.
Figure it out, like through allthe noise and all that, right?
Whereas when she just came inand she was like, boom, this is
what you need.
Here's how to do it.
Like, you know, this is what Iuse.
And so I, I love that she sharedthat with me, and so I'm always
sharing that story with people,but I totally get what you're
going from, like literally.
I the 19th.
Today's the 20th when we'rerecording this.

(49:31):
Yesterday I had a PodcastersNetwork group where I just put
it out in the threads and I wasjust like, Hey podcasters, who
wants to network and just likemeet each other and like talk
about what's going on?
And like nine people showed up,which was great for our first
meet.
Yeah.
And two of them hadn't launchedyet, and so they were asking us,
you know, questions.
We had somebody who had apodcast for four years, you

(49:51):
know, and we were like givingeach other advice.
We're telling each other aboutour, our stories and how we
started our podcast.
So I feel like the need for sucha hub is there and I'm so glad
that we're having thisconversation.
Literally the day after I hadthis networking group, you
totally have to come to thenetworking group and like, oh
yeah.
Talk to the other podcasters.
Um, okay.
Definitely.
Yeah, and we're gonna do it oncea month.
I feel like there's such a needfor that because even in that

(50:14):
very small session that I hadyesterday.
Two people who have neverlaunched before, were just like,
oh, can I ask you like, what doyou do for applications?
And I was just like, take mine.
I was given to it.
She said, pass it on.
I'm passing it on to you.
You, your job is to pass it onto someone after, you know?
Right.
Um, and, and so yeah, I thinkthat you should definitely come.

(50:37):
Check out the podcasting groupand talk to the other
podcasters.
'cause I feel like a lot of themtoo would be so down for your
hub.
Like I'm super down for your hubright now.
Cool.
And I just learned about it likeYeah, yeah, definitely.
I would love to let me know whatit is.
I would love to come and chatwith them.
'cause that's what the group isall about.
And the reason that we want tocharge for it is to.

(50:59):
Weed out.
The people that aren't reallyserious about it weed out
mm-hmm.
The spammy people.
And that's why it's not like asuper expensive type of thing.
It's just enough to be like, ifI'm not joining this for the
right reasons, I'm not gonnareally invest in it.
Right.
But if I am joining it for theright reasons, then I don't
mind, you know.
Investing into this to get towhere I need to be.
And we wanna add like some othertools and resources to it and

(51:22):
stuff and really get it to likegrow and find out, you know,
what the people want so that wecan keep people happy.
So I would definitely love tocome and chat with your
networking group.
Yay.
Okay.
Awesome.
So, okay, so how can peoplelearn more about the Hub and
also to connect with you?
So if you want to connect withme, I am at the mod sc on.

(51:44):
Threads, Instagram and Facebook.
LinkedIn.
It is just Angel Wilborn.
And then to learn more about thepodcast hub, you can go to my
website, which is the modsc.com, and there is a link
forth there under the podcasttab.
Awesome.
And listeners, don't worry, I'mgrabbing all of the links from
Angel and I'm putting them downin the show notes as always.

(52:06):
So you can go down there andclick the links as well.
In case you didn't have a pen,but if you did, please tell us
what type of pen you have.
Yes.
And what color it is.
And what color it is.
'cause that's important to us.
It is very important.
Are you, are you team Brown Penor Team?
Purple Pen.
So are you with the husbands orare you with the kids like, yes.

(52:27):
There we go.
Husbands or kids, let us knowy'all.
Angel, thank you so much forcoming on.
I'm like, I absolutely loved ourconversation and I definitely, I
think you should come back afteryou know, you like get the hub
all set and more people learnabout you.
'cause I would love to get arecap of how that's going later
on.
Okay?
Yeah, definitely.
And Whitney, thank you so muchfor having me on the show.

(52:49):
I have enjoyed, this was a greatconversation.
Also, I would love to have youon my show because.
I think that, we'll, I mean,we've obviously already had a
con awesome conversation overhere, so I know that it'll be an
awesome conversation over thereas well.
Yes, yes.
Let's do it.
I'll bring my pens.
We'll schedule you in.
Yes.
Okay.
I love it.
I love it.
That's like our new insidething.

(53:09):
Now we're, we're gonna sendthreads of pens to each other
from now on.
People are gonna be like, whatis going on with them?
Is this something new likesecret society or something?
What's, what do the pen mean?
You have to listen to, you haveto listen to the podcast to find
out.
So, yes.
Exactly.
Well, thank you so much andthank you everybody else.
I will see you on Thursday.

(53:34):
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inspiration, and maybe even anextra shot of motivation.
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Until next time, keep embracingthe mess.

(53:56):
Chase your dreams and make magichappen.
One caffeinated, chaotic momentat a time.
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