November 27, 2024 • 27 mins
Discover the secrets to optimizing backyard chicken health with Baylor Lansden, a seasoned livestock consultant from the Fertrell Company. Baylor's fascinating journey from political science studies in Louisiana to becoming a go-to expert on poultry nutrition in Pennsylvania offers a wealth of knowledge and practical tips. In our conversation, we tackle the challenges posed by sweltering Louisiana summers, where the heat can drastically affect feed intake and protein levels in chickens. With Baylor's guidance, learn how and why to adjust nutritional plans to improve chicken behavior and egg production, underscoring the pivotal role proper diet plays in managing poultry health.
Beyond feed adjustments, we explore the enriching benefits of free-ranging, allowing chickens to naturally diversify their diet and get ample exercise. We also delve into the decision-making process behind choosing quality chicken feed, emphasizing the importance of whole ingredients over fillers. Baylor shares insights on the positive impact of supplements like apple cider vinegar and Greek yogurt for enhancing gut health. With a balanced approach, we celebrate the joys of treating our feathered companions while avoiding the pitfalls of excessive sweets or starches, ensuring a healthy and happy flock.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Are we ready, pawpaw?
Hello friends and welcome toChicken.
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and mine.
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(00:24):
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So, without further ado, let'sstart today's show.
How was that?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Hello everybody and welcome to the show.
I have a special guest with metoday.
I'm very excited to introducethis guy to you.
His name is Baylor Lansden.
He's from the Fortrell Companyand these guys are livestock
nutritionists.
And I actually met him throughmy chickens and I had some
issues going on with my chickensand I emailed him and he
quickly responded back to me,helped me out with my birds.
(00:55):
So then I begged him to come onthe show and talk to you guys
about it and we're going to talkabout the health of our birds
and what we can do to make themeven healthier and happier.
And he's going to give you alittle bit of the bio.
He's actually originally fromLouisiana, which I find real
cool to have found someone wayup northeast like that.
That's from Louisiana, baylor,welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yeah, thank you.
Thank you for having me.
Thanks for the invite.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Let's start off and tell the audience.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
You know a little bit about you and what got you over
to portrayal and some about thecompany.
Sure, well, I just started outin the FFA as a kid.
In high school I went into myundergraduate in political
science.
I thought I was going to gointo law.
I realized that was not thetrack for me.
I went back to school for foodsecurity, which is basically
like the study of the foodsystem.
Went back to school for foodsecurity, which is basically
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like the study of the foodsystem.
Through that realized I wantedto get back into practical
agriculture.
And then that's what drew me upto Pennsylvania from Louisiana.
I worked on a research farm.
I was a livestock manager on aresearch farm and then from
there, fortrell hired me as alivestock consultant, trail
hired me as a livestockconsultant.
So here, me and the otherlivestock consultants.
(02:07):
We basically just consult onour products that we produce.
So we produce a poultry neutralbalancer, which you're aware of
, and other mineral blends forlivestock.
So we consult on them and partof that consulting is building
rations out for differentanimals.
So the majority of our workdayis constructing rations for
various livestock.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Someone will actually get in touch with you guys and
say this is what I have on myfarm and this is my conditions
and what do I need to feed them,and you will build.
That's exactly how it goes.
Yes, well, it was almost whatyou guys did for me.
What my issue was?
It was very, very hot.
We were having anotherLouisiana hot snap and you know
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we're having some hundred andseven hundred and nine degree
days, and with our humiditycombined with that over here in
Louisiana, it just made it awful.
And so I contacted Baylor andhe was talking to me, said I
needed a little bit more proteinI remember correctly in my feed
and a little bit more balanceto some of the things that help
them work, that protein.
So what I did?
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I sent him the tags off of thefour different feeds that are
available in my area.
He looked them over, hedissected them, he came back,
said Gary, this is the one thatyou need, as far as all four of
them together goes.
I started with that with mybirds and within about a week
and a half I saw a difference,not only in their egg laying,
but just in the way they wererunning around the yard being
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chicken and over here at SendLawn Backyard Chickens, we want
our birds to be chickens.
My girls free range.
Every day they have a blast outthere.
I think it's important if I cando this and it really really
helped and since then we've kindof stayed in touch and went
back and forth with things,especially with you being from
Louisiana and knowing what wehad up here for our weather.
(03:55):
I really can't thank you enough.
If my chickens could speakEnglish they would probably say
the same thing, but when theystarted feed them better, I'm
taking all the credit for themright now but why do chickens in
the heat of the summer likethat, with mine especially?
why did they need that extralittle bit of bruce, the protein
(04:16):
?
Because usually we say 16 forlaying hens and that's it yeah,
sure, I think.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Um, actually, when you think about it in terms of
like yourself, when a personthinks about it, they can kind
of see what I'm about to say.
In themselves, that makes sense.
Um, on a really hot day, um,even if you're looking at like a
you know big steaming thing ofjambalaya, if it's really hot
and you've been working out allday, you may not want to I was
(04:45):
trying to be relatable you maynot want to really, like you
know, go in on that.
You may think, oh, I'd reallyprefer, you know, a cool drink
of water and maybe a snack orsomething like that.
So the heat actually just drawsdown the need for energy for
all organisms, need for energyfor all organisms.
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So, for humans, for chickens,whenever it's that hot, we don't
need as much energy and wedon't desire as much energy,
because needing more energycreates more heat.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
So, necessarily energy, is it?
Speaker 3 (05:18):
No, but whenever a chicken is going after feed,
it's going to be eating for itsdesired energy intake.
So it's very hot.
It wants less energy.
While it's eating less energy,it's consuming less protein if
your feed is, say, a 16%.
So if we have a 16% feed, itgets really hot.
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It doesn't want as much energy,it eats less feed and then gets
less protein.
It doesn't want as much energy,it eats less feed and then gets
less protein.
So when we bump it up to a 19%,it's still eating for its
energy, but it's going to eatmore protein while eating that
smaller amount of food.
Does that?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
make sense.
I've heard Jeff and Jeff Maddox.
I don't know if Jeff is yourboss or a co-worker or how all
that is.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Boss.
Yeah, definitely boss.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
But I've heard him say on some other shows that
birds eat more in the winterthan they do the summer and it
almost sounds counterintuitivebecause you know, you think that
they're going to be morelethargic in the wintertime but
it takes more energy to keeptheir body heat up and going.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Yeah, and again, I think we could probably see the
same things for ourselves Ifwe're out on cold days.
You don't want a salad, youwant a stew, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, absolutely I do .
I've been there.
Okay, well, someone's lookingat the tag on a bag of chicken
feet and you know they've got amild climate or whatever the
climate is.
What are some of the key thingsthat they want to look for on
that food?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Well, I'd say, like a typical backyard mild climate
ration would be about 17%protein, could go down to 16,
but 16-17% protein you do want afair amount of fat in there
just to help keep the burnhealthy overall.
So to help keep the plumagehealthy, help keep the skin
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healthy, to really take inenough Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
What I'm not going to know is fat.
I mean, is it soybean fat, oryou know?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
No, so on a tag it should just say fat, it should
be a percentage of fat yeah, itshould be a percentage of fat,
and I would want it to be atleast three percent and ideally
five percent.
That's also going to correspondto like usually a higher energy
in the ration too, which isgood.
So we want that fat aroundthree to five, hopefully about
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five, and then we want our fiberto be and this will usually say
crude fiber on the tag.
I would want that to be aroundfive percent.
Again, at least three, but fivepercent about up to six.
That is one problem you'll see,especially in some conventional
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rations that use a lot ofbyproducts is you may have a
really high fiber, so you mayhave fiber that goes up over
seven percent, and we don't wantthat.
Oh, okay, yeah, and the reasonfor that is again coming back to
the human analogy.
You know, when you're eating abunch of fiber, you just can't
consume as much food, which forus might be a good thing.
(08:30):
Do that, though.
Yeah, that might be somethingwe should try out more often,
but a lot of times you want your, your chicken, to consume more
for production, um, so you don'twant to limit its intake by
high fiber.
Makes sense, makes perfectsense.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
I know through my own research and having chickens
since I was a boy.
Calcium is very, very importantfor legs.
The relationship betweencalcium and vitamin D, am I
correct?
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Yeah, there should be an adequate amount of vitamin D
in your feed.
It won't necessarily be listedon the tag because it's not
required of a feed producer toput it on the tag, but there
should be an adequate amount ofvitamin D in a balanced feed.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah, okay, and I would assume you know, if you
buy, you know, from a reputablefood company and you know you're
going to get that in there,yeah, you should, you should,
yeah, and so you know, over herein louisiana, you know soybeans
are a big thing, you know, andand in this country, uh, they've
raised a lot of soybeans.
They raise a lot of cotton onthere, so it's it's soybean.
(09:39):
You know.
I've seen soybean or soybeanmeal or soybean byproduct on
feed bags before.
Is that something good that Ilike for my bird?
Speaker 3 (09:49):
So soybeans are in there for a good reason, because
they're a very digestible formof protein with a good amino
acid profile.
And amino acids are yourlisteners will know are parts to
a protein, so they have a sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
No, I've.
I found that interesting.
I don't know they were likethat.
Okay, yeah, yeah so.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
So, um, the crude protein matters, but what
matters more is the balance ofindividual amino acids that make
up that protein.
So in a soybean, we usesoybeans because, um, there's
not a lot of quote-unquoteanti-nutritional factors.
So if a soybean is properlyroasted or the meal has been
processed correctly, there's nolimit to the amount we can use
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in a ration and you usually geta fair amount of amino acids in
the correct balance that youneed.
There are some people thatdon't want soy in a ration.
Those are for reasons becauseof phytoestrogens that are in
soy, and I'll respect anybody'sdesire to take soy out of a
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ration if they want to.
But I could say that it's muchharder to formulate a ration
without soy.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
I would think so.
But what are some of thesupplements that people can
think about using Withoutalternatives?
Or soy, it can be analternative for soy.
But I mean, I know, you know,from your, from your company, I
buy nutrition supplements that Iwill mix into my chicken feed
and it's just kind of a boostfor them, and I forget the name
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of it.
I know you could tell me.
I don't do this, but I do thisother supplement.
Maybe there's some things thatpeople can get locally if they
want to add to their chickenspeed, just to get them, you
know, that extra little step.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Sure.
So if you want to build up thenutrition on your feed, if you
want to do increase the protein,you could use something like a
high protein soy meal or a fishmeal.
Fish meal really gets therefaster because it's a high
protein, like 62% protein, greatamino acids so you don't need a
lot of it to get the protein up.
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The only negative side of fishmeal is that it can drive a bad
taste in the egg if you use toomuch of it.
So there's a good balance thereand then other nutritional
products will be like thepoultry neutral balancer.
Like you've been mentioning.
That's our biggest seller here.
That's the main driver of thecompany.
See why?
Speaker 2 (12:20):
I like using it.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Yeah, good.
So that is actually just thebasic mineral and vitamin pack
to make up the ration.
I tell people it's the kale andliver smoothie of the ration.
You know, it's like all of thenutrients, all the things that
are good for you, they don'twant to eat.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
It's that on top of the grits and shrimp of the
ration, I guess and guys outthere, the nutrition ration that
is that he's talking aboutcomes in a bag and it's very,
very dry.
It's almost a very, very smallpellet.
But what I did not only I hopethat this is proper to do that,
because it takes a very littleamount that you actually mix in
the feed.
I will.
(13:02):
And when I mix it in the feedit helps it to cling to the food
, to the, instead of, you know,slowly migrating itself down.
Then I makes me feel better,makes it makes me think that
they're getting it all throughthat batch of food, because I
use an 80 pound two-quart feederat a time, so I'll dump a whole
sack in there, then I'll mix,mix through with with the
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nutribalancer.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
That's just slightly damp enough that I feel like it
sticks to my pellet as long asit's being consumed fast enough
that it doesn't mold or go off,then it's fine girls can eat
okay.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
45 chickens out there .
You think you never feed them.
You know, yeah, they eat.
Okay.
My birds free range every day,so and I tell people all the
time with either my videos orpodcasts that I do that free
ranging is a wonderful thing,you know, letting me the bugs
and crickets in the grass andthings like that.
I'm assuming you guys thinkthat as well.
(13:58):
Now I'm not in an industrialsetting where I want to just
micromanage my feed to the nthdegree to get the maximum weight
gain or get the maximum egglayout.
These are my backyard girls outhere, so free ranging is still
a good thing from y'all's pointof view.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Absolutely yeah, in terms of what they're going to
consume, it's going to be extra,you know, assume it's, it's
going to be extra, you know, um,but it's probably going to all
balance itself out becausethey're getting a lot of great
exercise out there and they'regetting a lot of nutrition.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
If they're eating some more calories while they're
out there, it's all going toprobably balance out with
exercise so watching, watchingchickens or at least watching my
chickens is one of the funniestthings that you can do sitting
in the backyard.
My wife will drink a glass ofwine while she does it and we
just can't help but laugh.
You know, it's just something.
Yeah, to back up a little bitto you know, whenever you and I
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first got acquainted with oneanother and I want to use that
analogy between a $25 bag offeed versus a $15 bag of feed
what can you tell that theaudience is some of the biggest
differences that those two bagsare going to give you in the
relationship between that andthe chicken nutrition.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Yeah.
So I don't want to alwaysassume that the more expensive
feed is better, because I'm surethat's not always true.
But when we're looking at ahigher quality bagged feed it's
usually going to be fresher,hopefully.
A lot of times that can meanit's a local feed not always,
but you want a fresher feed.
You don't want as manybyproducts there because you
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want basically ingredients thathaven't been processed as much
so they've lost a lot of theirnutritional value.
So while byproducts might have alittle bit of their space and
by that I mean like wheat, mids,stuff like that they're a lot
of time just filler, you knowthat have lost a lot of their
nutritional value, so you don'twant that to be the bulk of your
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feed.
You don't want to pay for abunch of fillers, basically yeah
.
So I would say if you couldread the first few ingredients,
it's almost similar.
If you're looking at processedfood, you want to see stuff like
corn, soybean, soybean meal,wheat, flaxseed, stuff like that
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alfalfa.
You want to see whole,recognizable ingredients for
your first series on youringredient list.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Okay.
Well, I know if, with a foodingredient, if I picked up I
don't know a bag of beans orsomething like that or something
that's been processed food-wise, the way the FDA makes them
label that and list things, thehighest percentage is listed
first and it goes down.
(16:56):
Will a chicken label be thesame way on animal food?
If it's done properly, yes, itshould be Okay.
So what they see at the top isgoing to be the highest
percentage in that mix that theyhave.
Yep.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Yep, so it'll typically be corn.
If there's growing around,it'll typically be corn.
After that, it should besoybean meal, soybeans and it's
off from there.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
We all need to pay attention to the label that's on
our food bag, don't we?
Yeah, I think so.
Two or three things that I liketo do with my girls.
I'll mix up some apple cidervinegar maybe one cup or so.
Good for that, but I will doanother podcast listening with
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Jeff and he talked about applecider vinegar, but he also
talked about Greek yogurt.
You know, completely plainGreek yogurt, nothing added to
it, no flavoring, anything likethat, and how they both promote
good gut bacteria by less roomfor the bad stuff to grow.
You know they're not going inthere and attacking the bad
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stuff, they're creating lessroom for the bad stuff to grow.
They're not just going in thereand attacking the bad stuff,
they're creating less room forthe bad stuff to grow.
They're slightly differentbacteria and helping slightly
different ways to help your bird.
Correct, correct, yes, I'm agood listener then.
Yes, okay, let's talk abouttreats.
Everybody loves to give theirchickens treats.
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I will give mine a lot of worms.
Our black fly larva People sendme black fly larva for
Christmas and shirts.
I've never bought a chickenshirt.
I'm wearing one today and I'veprobably got half a dozen of
them in my closet.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Chicken podcasters with chicken shirts seems to be
a thing.
I'm that guy.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
I will give my chickens apples, maybe in the
summer, once a month.
I take the core out of theapple because I know the seeds
are not necessarily good forthem and I know it's a sweet.
The sweet's not the best thingfor them, but I will do that
once a month or so In the summer.
I give them a little bit ofmelon as well, but I do enjoy
giving them good chicken scrapsfrom the house.
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We have leftover, you knowgreens and things like that.
I don't give them rice, as muchas I'm from Louisiana.
There's usually no rice left inthe house to give them for one
thing, but I eat it all.
But rice is a heavy start andwhy would I want to give them a
heavy start when I don't want mygrandkids to have that?
You know it's not really notgood for them.
But what is it that we can feelokay about giving our birds.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Yeah well, I would say something like those black,
like black soldier fliesmealworms, scraps of not that
fatty meat or not very saltymeat, all that that's completely
fine and I would say you cangive it in semi-liberal amounts.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Wild or cooked meat, or either.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I mean really, it's either I would say cooked, just
because I would want to like ofbringing a pathogen in, if you
had some kind of.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
I keep a dust bath underneath my coop.
It's a couple of feet off theground and so I keep a dust bath
under it, so year-round they'llhave a place to do that and I
move that dust bath out one day.
And of course if I'm doingsomething in the chicken yard,
chickens are all right there.
I moved about three little tinybaby mice took off.
They made it about five stepsand you know what, although did
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that?
Speaker 3 (20:37):
you know that's about as raw as you can yeah, I think
the rawest thing I've ever seena chicken do was I saw a baby
bird fall out of a nest into thechicken pen.
They took the baby bird out.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
This summer I found the chickens all in a corner.
I ran over to the corner.
I didn't know what washappening.
They had killed a snake.
It wasn't a huge snake, I don'tknow, a foot and a half or
something like that.
They kept checking its head,they knew where to go and the
snake was trying to get into apile of bricks to get away from
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them.
But it was like they ganged upand they that bad boy out.
You know uh, it's true.
You know they are descendantsfrom dinosaurs that they are
just amazing on what they do andand how.
You know how tough that theythey can be at the same time no,
yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
So yeah, like a little bit of meat, that's fine.
Um, fresh vegetables and fruit.
Honestly, you can give themquite a lot of that, because a
lot of that is just water.
Like so much of its water.
You could, you could.
Yeah, I think you can get awaywith more apples, for sure
They'll be happy for you.
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I think the things exactly likewhat you were saying, the
things that you want to limitmore of, are things that are
just higher energy, so thingslike a bunch of rice, a lot of
bread, just foods that are heavyin total calories.
You don't want to have as muchof that just because you don't
want to get them overweight, andyou also don't want to give
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them a bunch of really highenergy food that's going to take
away from all the othernutrients that they're supposed
to be eating.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Okay, so as we start to wind down a little bit, while
people out there who arelooking to get into chickens,
you know, I want to know what tofeed my birds.
Should I free range?
Should I not free range?
Which that you know?
That's all kind of you knowwhat you have locally going on.
Why do people need to know froma from from your end?
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What would what you specializein when they want to get into
raising chickens?
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Well, honestly, it's been, I think it's now other
than the fact that there's notas many people on the farm.
It's easier than ever justbecause there's so many
resources, so less people aregrowing up with it.
But if you want to get into it,there's chicken houses
everywhere.
There's resources like thiseverywhere.
There's a lot of informationthere.
So I would say, honestly, takea little time to get some
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information, listen to podcasts,watch youtube videos and stuff
like that, but then just jumpright into it, because I mean,
get a small but well-builtchicken coop or build one of
your own and go get a fewchickens.
They're pretty inexpensive.
Get a good feed that again, youknow.
That's pretty available too.
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A fair feed is pretty availableand then just get rocking and
rolling.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Yeah, and you know I tell people relatively often.
You may think a $25 bag of feedis expensive, but if all you've
got is three or four chickens,that's going to last a couple of
months, and especially ifyou've got them free range on
top of that, it's going to lasteven longer.
So it's really not an expensivething to do.
Some of the poorest people inthe world raise chickens and do
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so successfully.
It doesn't have to be thisextreme adventure.
One more thing I wanted tomention Recently this summer,
and not from my local feedsupply, but I got some feed from
a big box store.
I had feed mites in it.
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I didn't realize it until I putthem in there in in my my two
quarts feeder.
And then, you know, a few dayslater I went and got me a big
scoop out because I was going toferment the feed.
I like to do that about once aweek and when I took that scoop
out they were just runningeverywhere and I noticed the
bottom of my feeder.
It was mostly dust where thesethings were eating.
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I started researching.
I cleaned out the feed and Ireplaced it with with different
feed.
But if I understood my researchcorrectly that the feed mites
weren't necessarily bad for thechicken, they would eat them,
but they're also consuming thenutrition that we want to have
our birds it's exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
It's that they're going through and eating a lot
of starch, a lot of protein, andjust cycling it into their own
grass or in food and then theirown cells and then they're just
dying and they're just reducingthe total nutrients of the feed
over time, especially if theinfestation has been going for a
while.
If it's a fresh infestation,they really haven't done much
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and it's really not that bad andthey'll eat the mites
themselves.
But yeah, if it's been in a bagand they've been working on it,
yeah, I would say it's not agood deal.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, for my birds it actually ended up being two
bags that I went through, so itwas probably at least a
four-week process before I said,oh, at least a four-week
process before I said, oh, Ican't deal with this anymore.
And one of the fixes for that,if you can't change who you get
your feed from, I was told toput the feed in the freezer for
two weeks.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
You know and go for it you know, yeah, if you have a
bag that's just got a littleinfestation, put it in the
freezer.
That's a great way to kill themoff, cool.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
So what would you like to kill them off, cool.
So what would you like to tellthe audience about the Fortrell
company and how they can gettheir hands on some of your
products and how they can learnabout your product?
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Well, what I would say is basically, we're here.
You know you can email us, soyou can email livestock at
Fortilcom with any questions.
Yes, sir, and we have a prettygood presence on Facebook, as
you know, so you could contactus there and we can answer any
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questions that you have aboutour products, but also just feed
and livestock in general.
If you want our products, we dohave feed and livestock in
general.
If you want our products, we dohave an online store that
includes shipping.
It doesn't have all of ourproducts, but it has a fair
amount of them that can be costeffective for smaller amounts,
like if you're a homestead or abackyard person.
If you're looking for more,then you can contact us and
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we'll hook you up with a dealerthat could get you a bigger,
larger amount of our products.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Yeah Well, I know that your nutritional supplement
, I get it at a 10 pound bag ata time it ain't like three
months.
Yeah, yeah, really does a greatjob.
Well, baylor, I can't tell youenough how much I've enjoyed
having you on the show today.
You are a wealth of informationand such a gentleman to be able
to do this.
The audience is going to have agreat time whenever they listen
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to this and they're going tolearn something.
Thank you again, have awonderful day and have a
wonderful holiday you too.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Yeah, thank you, have a good Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Bye.
That's all we have time fortoday.
I really hope you enjoyedlistening to the podcast.
Be sure to watch our videos.
So, on behalf of my Papa, gary,and me, sylvie, thanks for
listening.
Are we ready, pawpaw?
Hello friends and welcome toChicken.
Every Day, a podcast for you,the backyard chicken enthusiast,
and mine.
Your host is my Pawpaw, gary,Gary Valerie of Senla Backyard
Chickens.
Here we have fun while sharingideas and learning how to care
for our foul-feathered friends.
Check out our videos at Senlathat's C-E-N-L-A Backyard
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Chickens on YouTube, tiktok andFacebook.
So, without further ado, let'sstart today's show.
How was that?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Hello everybody and welcome to the show.
I have a special guest with metoday.
I'm very excited to introducethis guy to you.
His name is Baylor Lansden.
He's from the Fortrell Companyand these guys are livestock
nutritionists.
And I actually met him throughmy chickens and I had some
issues going on with my chickensand I emailed him and he
quickly responded back to me,helped me out with my birds.
(00:55):
So then I begged him to come onthe show and talk to you guys
about it and we're going to talkabout the health of our birds
and what we can do to make themeven healthier and happier.
And he's going to give you alittle bit of the bio.
He's actually originally fromLouisiana, which I find real
cool to have found someone wayup northeast like that.
That's from Louisiana, baylor,welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yeah, thank you.
Thank you for having me.
Thanks for the invite.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Let's start off and tell the audience.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
You know a little bit about you and what got you over
to portrayal and some about thecompany.
Sure, well, I just started outin the FFA as a kid.
In high school I went into myundergraduate in political
science.
I thought I was going to gointo law.
I realized that was not thetrack for me.
I went back to school for foodsecurity, which is basically
like the study of the foodsystem.
Went back to school for foodsecurity, which is basically
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like the study of the foodsystem.
Through that realized I wantedto get back into practical
agriculture.
And then that's what drew me upto Pennsylvania from Louisiana.
I worked on a research farm.
I was a livestock manager on aresearch farm and then from
there, fortrell hired me as alivestock consultant, trail
hired me as a livestockconsultant.
So here, me and the otherlivestock consultants.
(02:07):
We basically just consult onour products that we produce.
So we produce a poultry neutralbalancer, which you're aware of
, and other mineral blends forlivestock.
So we consult on them and partof that consulting is building
rations out for differentanimals.
So the majority of our workdayis constructing rations for
various livestock.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Someone will actually get in touch with you guys and
say this is what I have on myfarm and this is my conditions
and what do I need to feed them,and you will build.
That's exactly how it goes.
Yes, well, it was almost whatyou guys did for me.
What my issue was?
It was very, very hot.
We were having anotherLouisiana hot snap and you know
(02:50):
we're having some hundred andseven hundred and nine degree
days, and with our humiditycombined with that over here in
Louisiana, it just made it awful.
And so I contacted Baylor andhe was talking to me, said I
needed a little bit more proteinI remember correctly in my feed
and a little bit more balanceto some of the things that help
them work, that protein.
So what I did?
(03:11):
I sent him the tags off of thefour different feeds that are
available in my area.
He looked them over, hedissected them, he came back,
said Gary, this is the one thatyou need, as far as all four of
them together goes.
I started with that with mybirds and within about a week
and a half I saw a difference,not only in their egg laying,
but just in the way they wererunning around the yard being
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chicken and over here at SendLawn Backyard Chickens, we want
our birds to be chickens.
My girls free range.
Every day they have a blast outthere.
I think it's important if I cando this and it really really
helped and since then we've kindof stayed in touch and went
back and forth with things,especially with you being from
Louisiana and knowing what wehad up here for our weather.
(03:55):
I really can't thank you enough.
If my chickens could speakEnglish they would probably say
the same thing, but when theystarted feed them better, I'm
taking all the credit for themright now but why do chickens in
the heat of the summer likethat, with mine especially?
why did they need that extralittle bit of bruce, the protein
(04:16):
?
Because usually we say 16 forlaying hens and that's it yeah,
sure, I think.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Um, actually, when you think about it in terms of
like yourself, when a personthinks about it, they can kind
of see what I'm about to say.
In themselves, that makes sense.
Um, on a really hot day, um,even if you're looking at like a
you know big steaming thing ofjambalaya, if it's really hot
and you've been working out allday, you may not want to I was
(04:45):
trying to be relatable you maynot want to really, like you
know, go in on that.
You may think, oh, I'd reallyprefer, you know, a cool drink
of water and maybe a snack orsomething like that.
So the heat actually just drawsdown the need for energy for
all organisms, need for energyfor all organisms.
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So, for humans, for chickens,whenever it's that hot, we don't
need as much energy and wedon't desire as much energy,
because needing more energycreates more heat.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
So, necessarily energy, is it?
Speaker 3 (05:18):
No, but whenever a chicken is going after feed,
it's going to be eating for itsdesired energy intake.
So it's very hot.
It wants less energy.
While it's eating less energy,it's consuming less protein if
your feed is, say, a 16%.
So if we have a 16% feed, itgets really hot.
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It doesn't want as much energy,it eats less feed and then gets
less protein.
It doesn't want as much energy,it eats less feed and then gets
less protein.
So when we bump it up to a 19%,it's still eating for its
energy, but it's going to eatmore protein while eating that
smaller amount of food.
Does that?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
make sense.
I've heard Jeff and Jeff Maddox.
I don't know if Jeff is yourboss or a co-worker or how all
that is.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Boss.
Yeah, definitely boss.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
But I've heard him say on some other shows that
birds eat more in the winterthan they do the summer and it
almost sounds counterintuitivebecause you know, you think that
they're going to be morelethargic in the wintertime but
it takes more energy to keeptheir body heat up and going.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Yeah, and again, I think we could probably see the
same things for ourselves Ifwe're out on cold days.
You don't want a salad, youwant a stew, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, absolutely I do .
I've been there.
Okay, well, someone's lookingat the tag on a bag of chicken
feet and you know they've got amild climate or whatever the
climate is.
What are some of the key thingsthat they want to look for on
that food?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Well, I'd say, like a typical backyard mild climate
ration would be about 17%protein, could go down to 16,
but 16-17% protein you do want afair amount of fat in there
just to help keep the burnhealthy overall.
So to help keep the plumagehealthy, help keep the skin
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healthy, to really take inenough Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
What I'm not going to know is fat.
I mean, is it soybean fat, oryou know?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
No, so on a tag it should just say fat, it should
be a percentage of fat yeah, itshould be a percentage of fat,
and I would want it to be atleast three percent and ideally
five percent.
That's also going to correspondto like usually a higher energy
in the ration too, which isgood.
So we want that fat aroundthree to five, hopefully about
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five, and then we want our fiberto be and this will usually say
crude fiber on the tag.
I would want that to be aroundfive percent.
Again, at least three, but fivepercent about up to six.
That is one problem you'll see,especially in some conventional
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rations that use a lot ofbyproducts is you may have a
really high fiber, so you mayhave fiber that goes up over
seven percent, and we don't wantthat.
Oh, okay, yeah, and the reasonfor that is again coming back to
the human analogy.
You know, when you're eating abunch of fiber, you just can't
consume as much food, which forus might be a good thing.
(08:30):
Do that, though.
Yeah, that might be somethingwe should try out more often,
but a lot of times you want your, your chicken, to consume more
for production, um, so you don'twant to limit its intake by
high fiber.
Makes sense, makes perfectsense.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
I know through my own research and having chickens
since I was a boy.
Calcium is very, very importantfor legs.
The relationship betweencalcium and vitamin D, am I
correct?
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Yeah, there should be an adequate amount of vitamin D
in your feed.
It won't necessarily be listedon the tag because it's not
required of a feed producer toput it on the tag, but there
should be an adequate amount ofvitamin D in a balanced feed.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah, okay, and I would assume you know, if you
buy, you know, from a reputablefood company and you know you're
going to get that in there,yeah, you should, you should,
yeah, and so you know, over herein louisiana, you know soybeans
are a big thing, you know, andand in this country, uh, they've
raised a lot of soybeans.
They raise a lot of cotton onthere, so it's it's soybean.
(09:39):
You know.
I've seen soybean or soybeanmeal or soybean byproduct on
feed bags before.
Is that something good that Ilike for my bird?
Speaker 3 (09:49):
So soybeans are in there for a good reason, because
they're a very digestible formof protein with a good amino
acid profile.
And amino acids are yourlisteners will know are parts to
a protein, so they have a sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
No, I've.
I found that interesting.
I don't know they were likethat.
Okay, yeah, yeah so.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
So, um, the crude protein matters, but what
matters more is the balance ofindividual amino acids that make
up that protein.
So in a soybean, we usesoybeans because, um, there's
not a lot of quote-unquoteanti-nutritional factors.
So if a soybean is properlyroasted or the meal has been
processed correctly, there's nolimit to the amount we can use
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in a ration and you usually geta fair amount of amino acids in
the correct balance that youneed.
There are some people thatdon't want soy in a ration.
Those are for reasons becauseof phytoestrogens that are in
soy, and I'll respect anybody'sdesire to take soy out of a
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ration if they want to.
But I could say that it's muchharder to formulate a ration
without soy.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
I would think so.
But what are some of thesupplements that people can
think about using Withoutalternatives?
Or soy, it can be analternative for soy.
But I mean, I know, you know,from your, from your company, I
buy nutrition supplements that Iwill mix into my chicken feed
and it's just kind of a boostfor them, and I forget the name
(11:25):
of it.
I know you could tell me.
I don't do this, but I do thisother supplement.
Maybe there's some things thatpeople can get locally if they
want to add to their chickenspeed, just to get them, you
know, that extra little step.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Sure.
So if you want to build up thenutrition on your feed, if you
want to do increase the protein,you could use something like a
high protein soy meal or a fishmeal.
Fish meal really gets therefaster because it's a high
protein, like 62% protein, greatamino acids so you don't need a
lot of it to get the protein up.
(11:59):
The only negative side of fishmeal is that it can drive a bad
taste in the egg if you use toomuch of it.
So there's a good balance thereand then other nutritional
products will be like thepoultry neutral balancer.
Like you've been mentioning.
That's our biggest seller here.
That's the main driver of thecompany.
See why?
Speaker 2 (12:20):
I like using it.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Yeah, good.
So that is actually just thebasic mineral and vitamin pack
to make up the ration.
I tell people it's the kale andliver smoothie of the ration.
You know, it's like all of thenutrients, all the things that
are good for you, they don'twant to eat.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
It's that on top of the grits and shrimp of the
ration, I guess and guys outthere, the nutrition ration that
is that he's talking aboutcomes in a bag and it's very,
very dry.
It's almost a very, very smallpellet.
But what I did not only I hopethat this is proper to do that,
because it takes a very littleamount that you actually mix in
the feed.
I will.
(13:02):
And when I mix it in the feedit helps it to cling to the food
, to the, instead of, you know,slowly migrating itself down.
Then I makes me feel better,makes it makes me think that
they're getting it all throughthat batch of food, because I
use an 80 pound two-quart feederat a time, so I'll dump a whole
sack in there, then I'll mix,mix through with with the
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nutribalancer.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
That's just slightly damp enough that I feel like it
sticks to my pellet as long asit's being consumed fast enough
that it doesn't mold or go off,then it's fine girls can eat
okay.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
45 chickens out there .
You think you never feed them.
You know, yeah, they eat.
Okay.
My birds free range every day,so and I tell people all the
time with either my videos orpodcasts that I do that free
ranging is a wonderful thing,you know, letting me the bugs
and crickets in the grass andthings like that.
I'm assuming you guys thinkthat as well.
(13:58):
Now I'm not in an industrialsetting where I want to just
micromanage my feed to the nthdegree to get the maximum weight
gain or get the maximum egglayout.
These are my backyard girls outhere, so free ranging is still
a good thing from y'all's pointof view.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Absolutely yeah, in terms of what they're going to
consume, it's going to be extra,you know, assume it's, it's
going to be extra, you know, um,but it's probably going to all
balance itself out becausethey're getting a lot of great
exercise out there and they'regetting a lot of nutrition.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
If they're eating some more calories while they're
out there, it's all going toprobably balance out with
exercise so watching, watchingchickens or at least watching my
chickens is one of the funniestthings that you can do sitting
in the backyard.
My wife will drink a glass ofwine while she does it and we
just can't help but laugh.
You know, it's just something.
Yeah, to back up a little bitto you know, whenever you and I
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first got acquainted with oneanother and I want to use that
analogy between a $25 bag offeed versus a $15 bag of feed
what can you tell that theaudience is some of the biggest
differences that those two bagsare going to give you in the
relationship between that andthe chicken nutrition.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Yeah.
So I don't want to alwaysassume that the more expensive
feed is better, because I'm surethat's not always true.
But when we're looking at ahigher quality bagged feed it's
usually going to be fresher,hopefully.
A lot of times that can meanit's a local feed not always,
but you want a fresher feed.
You don't want as manybyproducts there because you
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want basically ingredients thathaven't been processed as much
so they've lost a lot of theirnutritional value.
So while byproducts might have alittle bit of their space and
by that I mean like wheat, mids,stuff like that they're a lot
of time just filler, you knowthat have lost a lot of their
nutritional value, so you don'twant that to be the bulk of your
(16:03):
feed.
You don't want to pay for abunch of fillers, basically yeah
.
So I would say if you couldread the first few ingredients,
it's almost similar.
If you're looking at processedfood, you want to see stuff like
corn, soybean, soybean meal,wheat, flaxseed, stuff like that
(16:26):
alfalfa.
You want to see whole,recognizable ingredients for
your first series on youringredient list.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Okay.
Well, I know if, with a foodingredient, if I picked up I
don't know a bag of beans orsomething like that or something
that's been processed food-wise, the way the FDA makes them
label that and list things, thehighest percentage is listed
first and it goes down.
(16:56):
Will a chicken label be thesame way on animal food?
If it's done properly, yes, itshould be Okay.
So what they see at the top isgoing to be the highest
percentage in that mix that theyhave.
Yep.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Yep, so it'll typically be corn.
If there's growing around,it'll typically be corn.
After that, it should besoybean meal, soybeans and it's
off from there.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
We all need to pay attention to the label that's on
our food bag, don't we?
Yeah, I think so.
Two or three things that I liketo do with my girls.
I'll mix up some apple cidervinegar maybe one cup or so.
Good for that, but I will doanother podcast listening with
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Jeff and he talked about applecider vinegar, but he also
talked about Greek yogurt.
You know, completely plainGreek yogurt, nothing added to
it, no flavoring, anything likethat, and how they both promote
good gut bacteria by less roomfor the bad stuff to grow.
You know they're not going inthere and attacking the bad
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stuff, they're creating lessroom for the bad stuff to grow.
They're not just going in thereand attacking the bad stuff,
they're creating less room forthe bad stuff to grow.
They're slightly differentbacteria and helping slightly
different ways to help your bird.
Correct, correct, yes, I'm agood listener then.
Yes, okay, let's talk abouttreats.
Everybody loves to give theirchickens treats.
(18:25):
I will give mine a lot of worms.
Our black fly larva People sendme black fly larva for
Christmas and shirts.
I've never bought a chickenshirt.
I'm wearing one today and I'veprobably got half a dozen of
them in my closet.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Chicken podcasters with chicken shirts seems to be
a thing.
I'm that guy.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
I will give my chickens apples, maybe in the
summer, once a month.
I take the core out of theapple because I know the seeds
are not necessarily good forthem and I know it's a sweet.
The sweet's not the best thingfor them, but I will do that
once a month or so In the summer.
I give them a little bit ofmelon as well, but I do enjoy
giving them good chicken scrapsfrom the house.
(19:13):
We have leftover, you knowgreens and things like that.
I don't give them rice, as muchas I'm from Louisiana.
There's usually no rice left inthe house to give them for one
thing, but I eat it all.
But rice is a heavy start andwhy would I want to give them a
heavy start when I don't want mygrandkids to have that?
You know it's not really notgood for them.
But what is it that we can feelokay about giving our birds.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Yeah well, I would say something like those black,
like black soldier fliesmealworms, scraps of not that
fatty meat or not very saltymeat, all that that's completely
fine and I would say you cangive it in semi-liberal amounts.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Wild or cooked meat, or either.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I mean really, it's either I would say cooked, just
because I would want to like ofbringing a pathogen in, if you
had some kind of.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
I keep a dust bath underneath my coop.
It's a couple of feet off theground and so I keep a dust bath
under it, so year-round they'llhave a place to do that and I
move that dust bath out one day.
And of course if I'm doingsomething in the chicken yard,
chickens are all right there.
I moved about three little tinybaby mice took off.
They made it about five stepsand you know what, although did
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that?
Speaker 3 (20:37):
you know that's about as raw as you can yeah, I think
the rawest thing I've ever seena chicken do was I saw a baby
bird fall out of a nest into thechicken pen.
They took the baby bird out.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
This summer I found the chickens all in a corner.
I ran over to the corner.
I didn't know what washappening.
They had killed a snake.
It wasn't a huge snake, I don'tknow, a foot and a half or
something like that.
They kept checking its head,they knew where to go and the
snake was trying to get into apile of bricks to get away from
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them.
But it was like they ganged upand they that bad boy out.
You know uh, it's true.
You know they are descendantsfrom dinosaurs that they are
just amazing on what they do andand how.
You know how tough that theythey can be at the same time no,
yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
So yeah, like a little bit of meat, that's fine.
Um, fresh vegetables and fruit.
Honestly, you can give themquite a lot of that, because a
lot of that is just water.
Like so much of its water.
You could, you could.
Yeah, I think you can get awaywith more apples, for sure
They'll be happy for you.
(21:51):
I think the things exactly likewhat you were saying, the
things that you want to limitmore of, are things that are
just higher energy, so thingslike a bunch of rice, a lot of
bread, just foods that are heavyin total calories.
You don't want to have as muchof that just because you don't
want to get them overweight, andyou also don't want to give
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them a bunch of really highenergy food that's going to take
away from all the othernutrients that they're supposed
to be eating.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Okay, so as we start to wind down a little bit, while
people out there who arelooking to get into chickens,
you know, I want to know what tofeed my birds.
Should I free range?
Should I not free range?
Which that you know?
That's all kind of you knowwhat you have locally going on.
Why do people need to know froma from from your end?
(22:43):
What would what you specializein when they want to get into
raising chickens?
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Well, honestly, it's been, I think it's now other
than the fact that there's notas many people on the farm.
It's easier than ever justbecause there's so many
resources, so less people aregrowing up with it.
But if you want to get into it,there's chicken houses
everywhere.
There's resources like thiseverywhere.
There's a lot of informationthere.
So I would say, honestly, takea little time to get some
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information, listen to podcasts,watch youtube videos and stuff
like that, but then just jumpright into it, because I mean,
get a small but well-builtchicken coop or build one of
your own and go get a fewchickens.
They're pretty inexpensive.
Get a good feed that again, youknow.
That's pretty available too.
(23:35):
A fair feed is pretty availableand then just get rocking and
rolling.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Yeah, and you know I tell people relatively often.
You may think a $25 bag of feedis expensive, but if all you've
got is three or four chickens,that's going to last a couple of
months, and especially ifyou've got them free range on
top of that, it's going to lasteven longer.
So it's really not an expensivething to do.
Some of the poorest people inthe world raise chickens and do
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so successfully.
It doesn't have to be thisextreme adventure.
One more thing I wanted tomention Recently this summer,
and not from my local feedsupply, but I got some feed from
a big box store.
I had feed mites in it.
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I didn't realize it until I putthem in there in in my my two
quarts feeder.
And then, you know, a few dayslater I went and got me a big
scoop out because I was going toferment the feed.
I like to do that about once aweek and when I took that scoop
out they were just runningeverywhere and I noticed the
bottom of my feeder.
It was mostly dust where thesethings were eating.
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I started researching.
I cleaned out the feed and Ireplaced it with with different
feed.
But if I understood my researchcorrectly that the feed mites
weren't necessarily bad for thechicken, they would eat them,
but they're also consuming thenutrition that we want to have
our birds it's exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
It's that they're going through and eating a lot
of starch, a lot of protein, andjust cycling it into their own
grass or in food and then theirown cells and then they're just
dying and they're just reducingthe total nutrients of the feed
over time, especially if theinfestation has been going for a
while.
If it's a fresh infestation,they really haven't done much
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and it's really not that bad andthey'll eat the mites
themselves.
But yeah, if it's been in a bagand they've been working on it,
yeah, I would say it's not agood deal.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, for my birds it actually ended up being two
bags that I went through, so itwas probably at least a
four-week process before I said,oh, at least a four-week
process before I said, oh, Ican't deal with this anymore.
And one of the fixes for that,if you can't change who you get
your feed from, I was told toput the feed in the freezer for
two weeks.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
You know and go for it you know, yeah, if you have a
bag that's just got a littleinfestation, put it in the
freezer.
That's a great way to kill themoff, cool.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
So what would you like to kill them off, cool.
So what would you like to tellthe audience about the Fortrell
company and how they can gettheir hands on some of your
products and how they can learnabout your product?
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Well, what I would say is basically, we're here.
You know you can email us, soyou can email livestock at
Fortilcom with any questions.
Yes, sir, and we have a prettygood presence on Facebook, as
you know, so you could contactus there and we can answer any
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questions that you have aboutour products, but also just feed
and livestock in general.
If you want our products, we dohave feed and livestock in
general.
If you want our products, we dohave an online store that
includes shipping.
It doesn't have all of ourproducts, but it has a fair
amount of them that can be costeffective for smaller amounts,
like if you're a homestead or abackyard person.
If you're looking for more,then you can contact us and
(27:02):
we'll hook you up with a dealerthat could get you a bigger,
larger amount of our products.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Yeah Well, I know that your nutritional supplement
, I get it at a 10 pound bag ata time it ain't like three
months.
Yeah, yeah, really does a greatjob.
Well, baylor, I can't tell youenough how much I've enjoyed
having you on the show today.
You are a wealth of informationand such a gentleman to be able
to do this.
The audience is going to have agreat time whenever they listen
(27:30):
to this and they're going tolearn something.
Thank you again, have awonderful day and have a
wonderful holiday you too.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Yeah, thank you, have a good Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Bye.
That's all we have time fortoday.
I really hope you enjoyedlistening to the podcast.
Be sure to watch our videos.
So, on behalf of my Papa, gary,and me, sylvie, thanks for
listening.
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