Pete Evick (Bret Michaels band)

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Chuck Shute (00:13):
Welcome, Pete.
Welcome. You just got here.
How's it going? Chuck? Great.
Great. Yeah, so no so much newstuff to talk about new whiskey
new book. You did? Well, I don'tthink we've chatted since you
put out the new song with Brettback in the day. Right. And
well, I heard something about anew marinade or a sauce or

(00:34):
something.

Pete Evick (00:36):
Oh, so that's before COVID I started the Virginia
sauce and Spice Company. Andthen COVID came and it was just
trying to keep Shining Soul mycandle company afloat. I
couldn't focus on too manythings during COVID yet to
bunker down and do matter. So Ilet that go to the side. And now

(00:59):
we're picking back up on thatit's um, but it's interesting.
It's interesting. The Virginiasalsa Spice Company, is
something I designed it to, tobe an inspiration and a help to
a lot of my friends here inVirginia. barbecue sauces, and
things like that are huge,everyone, everyone makes a
barbecue sauce. And, and there'salways tons of friends that are

(01:22):
always like, Oh, how do I dothis? How do I get distribution?
Or how do I put this out, or Iwish I could sell this. And, you
know, as you've read in my book,and you know, when we talk more
than anything, I try to be aninspiration to people that
anybody can do anything. So Iactually started this company, I
don't have a ton of interest inthe food industry at all. I do

(01:42):
have one marinade or one saucething that I make. It's kind of
this. It's kind of a half cageand half jerk sauce that I put
on shrimp and stuff that I'vemade my whole life. And I use
that as the product to launchthis with my friend Clark. But
the idea of the Virginia salsaSpice Company is an I did all

(02:04):
the groundwork so that myfriends who have these recipes
can sell their stuff, like youknow, so it's basically like a
record company for barbecuesauces and marinades. So I will
sign you to my company and putyour product out if I like it.

Oh, okay, interesting. So when does that
that hasn't officially launchedyet then

Pete Evick (02:25):
know in two weeks, the first product will be
available, which is my sauce,which is called Epic number
four. And then it'll be followedby a ketchup that my partner
Clark makes. And it's reallyinteresting. My partner in that
company, Clark is a master chef,and he's amazing. And when he
had his first child, he thoughtin his head, you know, he's

(02:47):
really health conscious that allchildren have children basically
get addicted to catch up rightoff the bat. And ketchup is
nothing but sugar. And what canI do to make a more healthy
ketchup. And so to me, that hasmeaning behind it, right. And so
that's going to be our secondproduct. And then we have some

(03:07):
other ideas. And then we'llstart addressing our friends and
family that have these differentproducts and put them out. But
it's going to be up to thosepeople to promote it. Like for
instance, if I if I, you know,if you had something and you
came to me and I signed you toput your product out. I'm not.
It's got to be your marketingdollars, I'll tell you what to
do. I'll open all the doors foryou. I'll do all the things that

(03:30):
I've become good at doing. Butyou still have to do the work.
Does that make sense? Like yeah,just like a band. You know? That
sounds fun. Yeah. So I took justlike the chanting saw, I don't
know if you remember talking tome about it. But I always said
in the candle industry. What Ifelt was interesting about the
candle industry was it was abillion dollar industry without

(03:52):
a face without any logos oranything like that. And I took
everything that Gene Simmons hadever taught me in life, not
personally, but just being inmusic industry. And I applied
that to the candle industry. AndI've always said if you can
succeed in the music business,you can succeed at anything. So
as I've gotten older, it'sinteresting to apply all the
things from the music industry,to other industries and see how

(04:16):
it works.

And it seems like it's doing pretty well but
candles stuff is taking off oryou have a couple of brick and
mortar stores, right? Yeah, I

Pete Evick (04:22):
have a store in Myrtle Beach and I have a store
here in Manassas. We did have astore in Rehoboth Beach,
Delaware, but it it it was doinggood. It was making us money.
But the time it was taking me tomanage all three stores was was
just too much because I wantedto do some other things I wanted
to do. I wanted to write mybook. We had the party girl tour

(04:44):
coming. So it's one of thosethings you hear people say that
you have two kids is is okaythree kids is too much. It was
the same thing with the store. Ican balance two stores really
easy. The third one was wasbecame overwhelming for me

Yeah, so I mean, kind of your work ethic is so
amazing. You talk about that inthe book that I think at one
point, you said, I was workingmyself almost literally to
death. And you say, I suppose Ican thank my dad, for my work
ethic. So is that like, youinherited that gene from your
dad? Or did your dad teach youthe work ethic?

Pete Evick (05:19):
You know, I think that I must have the gene,
because I do it. You know, mydad certainly taught it to me.
But I didn't realize that I'dbecome him till I already had.
So I there has to be certainlevel of genetics, but it was
also just what I grew up on myfather work. Like, I still don't

(05:41):
know a man that worked like him.
I mean, to be honest with you,Brett works almost like my dad,
but my dad was a hard labor guy.
So that gives you a little morestreet cred. But it's just, he
was 24/7. If he was awake, hewas making money to provide for
our family. And somehow that'sin my soul. If I'm awake, you
know, I'm not greedy. And I'mnot rich. I haven't done amazing

(06:04):
for myself, especially, youknow, I'm not like bread, I
don't have a private plane andnine houses. But, but I have a
sense, whether it's the musicbusiness, or any of my other
businesses, if I'm awake. I, Ifeel like I have to be working.
Like, like, if you were to askmy girlfriend, Tina, she would
probably agree that, like, Idon't even wake up, my alarm

(06:30):
goes off. And I am workingbefore I get out of bed. And I
don't know anything else. So itdoesn't feel wrong. I know that
as I'm getting older, I'mgetting tired or make sense. But
but it just, it's just all Iknow. That's all there is to it.
Well, yeah, cuz

that's interesting.
You mentioned in the verybeginning of the book, about how
you're, you're an emotionalperson, person, and you have
like, panic and anxiety orconstant companions. And
there's, like hurricanesswirling in your head, like, so
I was gonna ask you, like, doyou feel like that's getting
easier with age, or it soundslike you still have that urge to
work. And you gotta I gotta dothis. But that's like, harder to

(07:10):
do it as you go.

Pete Evick (07:13):
You're exactly right. And that actually, to me
probably creates more anxietythan I think my anxiety is
getting worse with time. Iliterally wake up every morning
with a panic of fuck, I've gotto do all of this today. And in
my brain, in my brain, I'm like,10 years behind, and all of my

(07:36):
goals and all of my aspirationsand all the things that I want
to accomplish.

I'm like, 25 years behind. So you're, so you get
it. Yeah, I mean, I'm trying tostart something. I started
something when I was 40. Youknow, I was like, Oh, I'm gonna
start a podcast. Like, I'm like,I should have done this when I
was 20. Like, you started. Like,what? Like, what you say in the
book was like, 13 or something?
You I mean?

Pete Evick (07:59):
Well, I started playing guitar five, five. Yeah.
First band was like, 1213.
Right. But I was, yeah, my firstband was my first real band was
the first week of high school in1987. I literally gotten
abandoned started going, but itwas in my junior year that I was
playing professionally. I was inyour high school, I was in the
clubs playing. And by my senioryear, I was playing four and

(08:20):
five nights a week.

Yeah, that's so so I mean, really like your whole
life. So why do you feel likeit's, you're 10 years behind. I
mean, I feel like you've beenpreparing for this and working
hard the whole time.

Pete Evick (08:33):
I just there's, there's there's other things, I
haven't written enough musicyet. I still have songs in me
that I have verses and chorusesthat I wrote 20 years ago, that
I haven't finished yet. I mean,I've finished other songs. But
you know, I have so many ideasand different things that that I
just haven't done yet. And it'snot lazy. It's time. It's

(08:57):
prioritizing what you have todo, versus what you want to do.
And sometimes writing songs, weall know, there's no money in
that anymore. Unless it's supersmash hit country song or it
gets used in a video game ormovie. So sometimes you have to
prioritize, I'll get around towriting, finishing that song.
And then a year goes by and thenanother year, and then 10 years

(09:18):
go by, I mean, you know, look ata different kind of truth from
Van Halen. The entire record was30 years old, for the most part.
You know, it was all Van Halenideas, you know, so I don't
think I'm alone in the way thathappens. You know, but but, you
know, I just have so many ideasand so many things that that I

(09:38):
want to do. And you know,interestingly enough, I'll tell
you, I, I have gotten reallyinto the just the primitive
camping world, like take a tentand go out in the woods and,
and, and I go online, and Idon't know if you have ever
researched this. There's peoplemaking Living out of just

(10:01):
filming themselves camping,right? Oh,

yes, I know I want to do that I want I've been
looking at RVs and trailers. Ilove watching those YouTube
channels.

Pete Evick (10:09):
i It's It's my only recreation sometimes like two
o'clock in the morning when Ifinally decide to wind down.
I'll put on YouTube and justwatch these people. And it's
fascinating to me. And it's, Iwant to live. I may, if you go
to my YouTube page, we made onevideo of a camping trip we did
to give it a shot. I wanted tosee if I could I could do this.

(10:30):
I think I made a video thatlooked pretty cool. And it and I
kept it short. And I it's I didall the things I was supposed to
do. And to be honest with you,it only got it. It hasn't even
had 500 views. I'm like, Oh, Iguess I suck at this. I don't
because they have like millionsof views those people?

Yeah, it takes a lot of time with the YouTube
stuff. I can tell you that it'salmost five years. I mean, I'm
four years in and it's like,there's so it's yeah, it's so
competitive. But I really lovethose videos. I want to get
through them or have you seenthose?

Pete Evick (11:02):
What is it an earth Romer? What is it? It's like

an off road RV. And so you could take it, it's got
four wheel drive, and it's alllike jacked up. But it's like
it's a recreational vehicle youcan live in it. I mean, I was
like, I just want to take anearth Romer and just travel the
country for like a year. I thinkit'd be so fun.

Pete Evick (11:19):
The very second are done this. I'm going to look
that up. You'll love it. Yeah,that's cool that you're into it,
too. And you get it. You know, Ialso think that it's a, I think
that it's, uh, you know, I see alot of people, especially during
COVID, I saw a lot of people buythose Sprinter vans, and live in
those things. And it'sfascinating to me, I'm not

(11:40):
spending 20 years of my life ina tour bus, living that kind of
nomad life anyway. But that'seven more freedom. Like, like,
you could just It's fascinatingto me, I you know, I still have
one kid that's in his senioryear high school right now. And
when he graduates, I don't knowwhat I'm going to do, because

(12:03):
there's, I would love that life.
I would love to just, you know,

even just temporarily, right? Like, he
just did it for a few months.
Like, maybe that's enough of aand you could just focus on your
music and writing songs andrecording part of record, you
know, in an RV or something.

Pete Evick (12:18):
I mean, you know, that's what I for 20 years, me
and Brett have made records onbuses, we've recorded on his
plane, I have a mobile, Mystudio is a mobile rig that I've
built, and I've been building itfor 20 years, I replace it i
When new technology comes out,I'm always on the top of the
recording industry gear. And Butliterally, we've made records on

(12:39):
Brett's plane before we so theidea of I actually one of my
best friends is a guy named JeffGiuliano, who is a world class
mixer, he has probably probably200 gold and platinum records,
mixing stuff, he started mixingfor Dave Matthews. He produced
and mixed the first John Mayerrecord. And he's gone on to do

(13:01):
all the Florida Georgia Linestuff and it has so many CMAs or
awards. And he it this moment,right now today, he probably has
three or four songs that hemakes that are on the charts on
the country charts. And for thelast three years, he's in an RV.
And he's mixing those records ona boat, or at a picnic table

(13:25):
looking at a lake. And andthat's the life. You know what I
mean? You can do it?

Yeah, that's what I want. I just want to travel the
country and just record podcastsfrom an RV. I think it'd be
amazing.

Pete Evick (13:35):
Yeah. Why wouldn't you do that? Like, you know,
what can you do to get mygirlfriend to do not want to do
it?

I don't think so.

Pete Evick (13:43):
Yeah, I to be honest with you, I think about getting
rid of everything and doingthat. And just for one year, the
money that I might be able tosave up from from getting rid of
some of my other living expenseswould be amazing, you know,
smart.

Yeah. Interesting that you have this thing. And
you talked about the book. Wejust talked about it, but just
how it's so weird to me that youthink that you haven't worked
hard enough? Like I mean, youliterally talk in the book about
driving and falling twice. Youfell asleep driving, not from
being drunk. You fell asleepjust because you're exhausted.
Yeah, both.

Pete Evick (14:21):
Both. Both times were 10 o'clock in the morning.
Yeah,

because you're working yourself to death. But
you're saying I'm 10 yearsbehind. I'm like, what? Like
you're one of the hardest peoplehardest working people that I
know. I mean, unless there'ssomething I'm missing.

Pete Evick (14:34):
No, no, I don't know that. There's anybody in the
world that would say anydifferent. I don't know that.
It's a point of bragging orsomething to be super proud of.
But it's true. It's all I know.
But uh, yeah, those accidentswere terrible. Have you ever
fallen asleep at the wheel?

I almost did. So when I first moved to Arizona,
it was like when the housingmarket crashed or whatever, and
I came a job so I got a job at amethadone clinic. Which was
really, really eye opening.
Yeah, but the thing withmethadone, so for people who
don't know, methadone is asubstitute to heroin, and people
take it, but a lot of them areconstruction workers and stuff.
And they have to go to work atlike five in the morning. So

(15:11):
they come to the methadoneclinic, because you they don't
trust you to take it home veryrarely. So you have to come to
the methadone clinic at likefour in the morning. So I had to
get there like 330 in themorning. So it's like you're
trying to figure out like, do Istay up all night? Or do I try
to go to bed early and set analarm I could never get get it
right. But after I'd be drivinghome be like 11am. And I'd be
like, I'd be like, Oh, shit, I'mfalling asleep at the wheel. So

(15:32):
I finally just had to quit. Iwas like, I'm gonna crash. I
didn't crash. But I see whereyou're coming from.

Pete Evick (15:38):
Yeah. So the very first time that that happened to
me. When I, when I came to, Ilooked up at the car. And the
car I hit had a baby seat in thebackup. And the all my very
first thought was, I just killeda fucking kid. Like it. To this
day, I still feel that emotionseeing that I didn't the kid

(16:00):
wasn't in the car, but couldhave been, you know what I mean?
And it's funny, because my son,my, my oldest son, who's
pursuing a music career of hisown, has very similar work ethic
as me, which is surprising thisday and age. And it's not
exactly the same, let's, let'ssay on a grading curve of what a

(16:21):
work ethic is, to hisgeneration. He's like me.

Yeah, no, it's very different. It's very different.
But I

Pete Evick (16:30):
oftentimes he drives Myrtle Beach is 500 600 miles
from us, and my store MyrtleBeach Hill drive there and back
in a day, to deliver a productto that store for me. And I do,
I used to do it during COVID. Idrove back and forth there every
week to deliver product. Andbecause I wasn't on tour, and

(16:52):
I'm frightened that he's gonnafall asleep, too. It's like,
most parents are like, I hopeyou don't do drugs. I hope you
don't drink. I'm like, I hopeyou don't fall asleep at the
wheel. That's what my fear is,you know? Well, yeah, don't

they have some of the new cars have this
technology that, like, I thinkit was a Mercedes or something.
And it can, like subtle picks upon your eye movement, and it
will beep if you start to closeyour eyes.

Pete Evick (17:11):
Yeah. And I have one of those new Ford Broncos. And
it it is considered one of thesafest cars on the market. In
fact, my insurance droppedhundreds of dollars from just
buying that car. And it has allthese kind of the has the lane
assist thing, it will pull youin and out. It'll warn you that

(17:31):
you need to take a rest it'sit's certainly harder to wreck
or fall asleep at the wheelthese days than it used to be so

yeah, well, that's good. Well, when you look back
besides, I mean, obviously thatterrible incidents with the car
wrecks, but those early days,man, that's what the first third
of the book is about. I thinkone of the most interesting
parts to me was when you broughtup long Long's, because that's
an Arizona but I didn't movehere until 2008. I think it was
already gone. But it was. Idon't want to tell I don't want
to spoil the story. Because it'sa really great story. So people

(18:00):
need to get the book to hear thefunny story about long ones, but
just general about playingthere. And the whole scene
because it was funny. You'relike explaining like, yeah, I
played with this guy, RogerKlein. I'm like people that live
in Arizona. They all know RogerKlein. But yeah, he's the king.
He did the theme song for Kingof the Hill. And yes, to talk
about the Arizona scene back inthe day. It sounds cool. So

Pete Evick (18:19):
real quick, I have to do something. So this is this
is going to be a moment in mylife of aging is happening on
your podcast, right? Just amoment. I didn't want to happen.
I'm literally looking at yourscreen and my eyes are starting
to hurt because I'm going blind.
So I'm putting my glasses on.
Because I'm starting to get aheadache. So no worries there.

(18:41):
Live on your podcast. The worldgets to see the moment where I
had to put my glasses on. Solong Long's one was was in Tempe
right down on it. Yeah. As youcampus. And it's funny. I don't
know, I feel like I told youthis last time we talked my
entire life. I'm drawn toArizona, even though I'm an East

(19:04):
Coast guy, I dreamed of what itmust be like I just again, I'm a
Star Wars fan to the end of thelife. So I probably related to
tattooing or something likethat, whatever, whatever it is.
And so when my first record cameout, with my band, some odd
reason, and we started gettingsome airplay and some pickup and
some stuff started happening inArizona. I just got so excited.

(19:26):
I called all the booking agents.
I was like, Oh, this is awesome.
We're gonna break in Arizonasent me out there. And so that
was the first thing we did wasstart going out there to play.
And it was just it wasinteresting because they called
what I did desert rock. Theystill call it desert rock to you
out there.

Yeah, I haven't even really hurt. No, I haven't
heard that term very much. Yeah,

Pete Evick (19:47):
I remember I was labeled a desert rock band. And
but right at that moment, it wasonly a couple of years after the
Jim blossoms broke. And youknow, the Jim blossoms were from
Tempe. And as far as the scene,it was alive. I remember. I
remember, down there on middleTempe on mill Mill Street, there

(20:10):
was another club calledGibson's. And there was like
clubs on every corner of thearea. And we I remember one
night, we played long, longtime. And then the next night,
we played across street atGibson's and then, on a third
night, we played in that same,that same little area, and
anywhere else had ever been inthe country. You couldn't do

(20:30):
that you couldn't play threenights in a row, 10 feet from
each other. And we did and wehad great gigs every single
night. And it was just a lot ofthat was a lot of fun. I don't
know what else to say. Becauseas the book tells you, that was
a very intense time of partyingin my life. Yeah. All right. And

we're still working hard. I mean, it wasn't like

Pete Evick (20:56):
that one experience I tell about that book was
extreme. That was that was likenothing else in my life. But uh,
but it was just great. Peopleout there loved live music at
that time. And were supersupportive of it. They people, I
felt like in that Tempe andMesa, and even Scottsdale, and I
never got down into the city ofPhoenix, which there used to be

(21:19):
a place called maybe it's stillthere called the mason jar.

Yeah, it's been rebranded as the rebel lounge, I
believe, Oh, that was famous.
Yeah,

Pete Evick (21:28):
I never made it to that venue. And I wanted to
always make it to that venue.
But people just embraced rock Isold a lot of records in Arizona
and people would throw partiesand and, and then once that bam,
someone reason broke up, and Ireconstructed it into epic. The
first thing I did before therecord was even out I got us out
and got us back out in front ofthose people at long Long's.

(21:49):
And, you know, I was a giant,Roger Klein fan, with his band
the refreshments.

Yeah, that first record is so good. Yeah, that

Pete Evick (22:01):
song Bandidos, I still play that to this day, I
cover it. To this day, when I docover gigs or just any
opportunity. Something comes up.
I'll sing that song all thetime. And

I think the song What do you think about the song
Mexico because I think that'sone of the most underrated
songs. I heard. That was yearsafter it was released. And I was
like, Why have I never heardthis song? It's brilliant.

Pete Evick (22:21):
It's a brilliant song. And what was the other one
that it's been a bad year forgood days or something? You
know, that's all

I know. Is it on that first album? I know. I'm
terrible at song titles. Yeah,they're all great. Have you met
Roger. I have never met him. Ihave tried to get him on the
podcast a few times. And I'venot been able to I had Robin
Wilson from Gin Blossoms and gasgiants on when I was terrible. I
mean, I'm still not great. But Iwas like really wrong. And

Pete Evick (22:49):
how was he? Robin Wilson?

Yeah. Oh, he was amazing. He was so nice and kind
and he probably shouldn't havedone my shitty little show at
that point. But I think becauseI'd had the black moods on in
some other local Arizona. Ithink he was trying to like kind
of help me out a little, which

Pete Evick (23:05):
is cool. We've done some stuff with him as the Bret
Michaels band. We've played withJim Balsam a few times. And he's
super cool. I got it. And I lovethe Jim blossoms because you
know that Jim, Jim blossoms anda handful of bands like that,
like matchbox, 20 and stuff.
Were what I gravitated to, whenthe grunge stuff came. And I
just didn't. I appreciate thegrunge now, but I didn't feel it

(23:28):
then when you know I was I lovepoison. And I loved Warren and I
love Van Halen. And I didn't. Ididn't connect with that stuff.
So it wasn't. It wasn't until afew years later, that all of a
sudden there were bands likehooting the blowfish and
Matchbox 20. And Jim blossomsthat had pop songs again. That
felt good. Yeah. And I reallyenjoyed that stuff in the sugar

(23:51):
race. You know, Mardi Gras, agood buddy of mine. And it's
funny, he doesn't. I've knownMark a long time, but he was
just out on the party grow withus. And I don't think he he,
he's always known me like this.
And there was a time in the inthe 90s where I had the exact
haircut he has with the shorthair and the frosted tops. And

(24:17):
he didn't I don't think he everbelieved that was anything but
this ever. And I showed him allthose pictures during the party
girl. And we got a good laughabout that. But during that
time, that shift I didn't thepoint of this was I enjoyed the
gym blossoms I enjoyed therefreshments, because it was it
was just straight up rock androll stuff again. Instead of the
I hate to say it the gloomy killyourself like, you know, but I

(24:39):
was in now that I've traveledthe world. I see that grunge
stuff completely differentbecause I've been to Seattle so
much that I understand. Iunderstand more now than I did
as a kid. The influence of yourenvironment creates the sound.
You know, the LA scene wascreated because it was all about

(25:00):
partying, those songs were aboutwhat was happening. Right. I was
a happy kid in DC and Virginia.
So I didn't understand what theywere talking about. And, and
it's it seemed made up to me,you know?

Well that's interesting. You say that
because I grew up in Seattle inthe 90s. And but I and I was
kind of a depressed kid. So Ididn't like listening to the I
like the grunge I respect to themusic, but I didn't really love
listening to it because I waslike, Well, I'm already
depressed. I want to hearsomething like poison or Motley
Crue that's gonna pump me up,you know, that's gonna get me
like feeling good. Because I wasalready feeling shitty. I didn't

(25:34):
want to feel shittier.

Pete Evick (25:35):
Right. But so it's interesting, even though you're
kind of saying the opposite whatI'm saying you're also proving
the point, you were depressed.

Because I lived in Seattle in the 90s.

Pete Evick (25:46):
Yeah, and I didn't understand that until I got to
travel the world and start tosee. And even though I was so
anti, that Seattle movement,once I've, it taught me a huge
lesson because it taught me Ittaught me that your sound is no
New York had a sound natural hasa sound. You know, Florida has a
sound, and Seattle, that thatmusic was just an audio version,

(26:12):
an audio painting of the reallife there. And I get I
understand that now. I when Iwas a kid, I didn't want to even
talk about it. It was all stupidand fake. And there's no way
anyone's that upset. You knowwhat I mean? Yeah,

that's interesting.
I had the basis from CollectiveSoul on my show. And he told me,
he told the story sointeresting. So they were
touring with Van Halen, andSammy Hagar and Bret Michaels
was friends with Sammy Hagar. SoBret Michaels came backstage one
time. And this was like, rightwhen the grunge thing was
happening, and he was like, Whatam I going to do? And it was
like, Oh, that's so interesting.

(26:45):
Does he does Bret ever tell youstories about those days,
because that gap when he kind oflike, he's kind of like he
didn't have much to do?

Pete Evick (26:53):
Well, he talks a lot about it. And he has a positive
attitude about it, because he'lloften say that Nirvana saved the
industry. He'll say the exactopposite of what you would think
that that someone from that erawould, but he, he was very aware
that it was growing stale. Andhe was very aware that it was

(27:18):
oversaturated. And something hadto change, something always has
to change. So in Brett, youknow, Brett, like me has a list
of things he still hasn't done,you know, and he really wanted
to pursue acting and writingmovies and that kind of stuff.
So when the grunge thing cameafter the after the shock of

(27:41):
that it happened so quick. Heembraced that time to try and do
other things. You know, hestarted that movie company with
Charlie Sheen. And then theymade those movies together. I
mean, he did a lot of he did alot of other things, but was
never quit during that time. Imean, they, you know, you you
could possibly attribute some ofthe some of the lack of interest

(28:05):
that happened in that time wasCC leaving, you know, and then a
revolving door of guitar playersfor a couple of years till CC
came back, because once CC cameback, it was great again, and
people were they were playingamphitheaters Who is this never
played a club to this day, a lotof those bands went back to
clubs poison has never they'vestayed true to that arena rock

(28:27):
stuff, you know what I mean?
They never had to do it. And youknow, there's few bands that
were like that they're Bon Joviand, and Van Halen, and a
couple. But um, but he embracedit. And he loves nirvana. He
loves all that stuff, though.
Man, he, he, I have lots ofmusic me and Brett have written

(28:47):
in the early days, I probablyhave a hard drive full of stuff
20 years ago, that is incredibly90s influenced very Smashing
Pumpkins, there's a lot offields like smashing pumpkins
and Bush feel to it, and stufflike that. And, and we would
listen to those recordstogether. And then and we
enjoyed them. And we'd like Ireally liked this song, and we

(29:09):
should do something like thisand something like that. And he,
you know, the one thing that Iwill say about Brett, that's
very inspiring, is you know, andthere's a million people that
probably put a bullet in my headfor just saying this, but he's
Pete. Let me let me explain thewhole thing before your eyes get
big when I say I can't wait forthis. He's more. I'm not saying

(29:35):
he's exactly like, but he's morelike Princeton. He is definitely
wrong. He is experimental. Heholds no boundaries. When he
wants to write a song. Hedoesn't care. He doesn't go I
gotta make it sound like this.
He'll say he'll say let's writesomething that this is inspiring
me today. Let's write somethinglike this. But he'll he'll he'll
do anything in the studio. He'llhe'll tell Take anything that's

(29:59):
sitting on the table and make itan instrument and a lot of
people don't understand thatabout him. He there's a millions
of our solo songs that he beatboxes on, or he'll home these
parts or do these parts of hisvocals that you never even know
or have a human voice about. Andhe's always in the just
experimenting, he doesn't. He's,he's, you know, grab this

(30:21):
guitar, grab that guitar, let'shave this kind of drum sound,
that kind of drum sound. And alot of people when they make a
record, want the record to soundlike the record, like that
similar production frombeginning to end, he doesn't
even want that. He he treatsevery song as its absolutely own
song. And, and he pushes theboundaries, nine times out of 10
I'm the one that has to reel himback in. I'm like, Brett, come

(30:45):
on, let's let's, let's pull thisback in a little bit. You You
aren't going to, you know, we'renot going to go out and record
you digging a hole in the dirtand turn that into the drum
sound, you know, but those areideas he had.

Okay, that sounds that's interesting that you say
that I can you know, the firstfew poison albums are pretty
straight, you know, straightahead rock, but then even flesh
and blood and the native tongueand then crack a smile. I mean,
that and I hear what you'resaying that because that when
there is stuff where he's like,beatbox and it gets more
dependent. His solo stuffobviously took off too.

Pete Evick (31:17):
Yeah, he it's funny.
He loves crack a smile.

He loves to lose on the show. He's a great guitar
player.

Pete Evick (31:25):
Oh, yeah. He's unbelievable. Like, like, you
know, Cece, he's a legend. AndRichie is Kotzen then Constans
incredible.

I had him on the show, too. He is fat. He did you
know that he almost he actuallygot the job for Ozzy, but they
just then they the internetkilled it. But he for a short
time he was on his guitarplayer.

Pete Evick (31:47):
I don't know that. I didn't know that. I met Richie
for the first time actually ayear ago this weekend. I was at
that monsters on the mountainevent? I don't know if you hear
about that. Yeah, in Tennessee,right? Yeah, I was there. And he
has a his manager, CraigBradford who looks almost like
you do you know, Craig? No, I

don't. But he sounds like a good looking guy.

Pete Evick (32:08):
The first time I ever did when the first time I
did that podcast with you andyou popped up. I thought you
were Craig. And I was like, Oh,is this a joke? Like Craig's
doing a podcast now? But But um,he introduced me to Richie for
the very first time. And it wasreally awkward. He he thought he
was being funny. But he came upand he goes in a weird way.
Richie, this was yourreplacement. And like, you

(32:30):
shouldn't have said that thatwas that was you know, cuz
becoming Brett's guitar. I'mtrying to

remember if that was the guy I dealt with when I
when I did Ritchie's interview,because it was interesting. That
was an interesting interviewbecause I asked him some stuff
about the poison. And I didn'tknow his manager was or whoever
was publicists was listening inon the call. And he said, Can
you cut some of that stuff out?
And I was like, okay, yeah,sure.

Pete Evick (32:52):
That's funny. Yeah, I thought he was a wonderful
guy. He's got a reallyinteresting sense of humor.
Richie Kotzen does.

It doesn't you know, I didn't I didn't pick up
on the sense of humor.

Pete Evick (33:01):
It's super dry.
Like, Oh, I love I love drawing.
Yeah. And I've never met blues.
But, but I remember when I firstjoined Bridgespan just thinking
man, you know, it's not it's notlike Ozzy where you're following
in the footsteps of RandyRhoads. And, and Brad Gillis and
Jakey Lee and Zack, but I wasstepping into the shoes of some

(33:23):
great players. There was somenerves to fill about that. You
know what I mean? Well, yeah, so

obviously, a lot of your book is about your time
with. The entire second part isabout your life and Bret
Michaels band, but explain to mea little bit more in depth about
how you got the job because yousay in the book that you dropped
some hints. Now, how do you dothat without because I tried to
do that a little bit, but I justfeel like a douche if I do if
I'm too obvious about it. Imean, what do you say like, oh,

(33:53):
boy, it sure would be great toplay in Bret Michaels band what
like how do you drop a hitwithout being kind of like
obvious,

Pete Evick (34:01):
you know? Well, so the guitar player prior to me
was a guy named Steve Fangio.
Dacus. And me and Steve becamereally good friends. Because my
band was his opening band. Myfor two years, our band opened
up for bred on the East Coast,on his dates, and I got to be
real tight with all the guys inthe camp. And and something

(34:24):
happened. So if I remember thisexactly correctly, poison was
going on tour kiss. And becauseof that, Brett had to cancel his
entire solo tour that wasbooked. Putting his band out of

(34:46):
work. Right. And so Steve haddecided that he wasn't going to
return because he had, duringthat time that something during
that time, he had to dosomething else. And so whatever
that something else was, he wasgoing to continue to do. And so,

(35:08):
but Steve was still very much inBrett's ear, about. Steve helped
Brett build a new band. So Stevewas the first to go to Bret. And
I would I would say to Steve,hey, if you're not going to do
that, you know, I love thosesongs. And so those were the
hints I would drop, you know, Iwould drop the hints of Steve.
And Big John, do you know BigJohn is

I just heard about him in the book that he was the
tour manager. And then he was onrocket love a little bit and
then

Pete Evick (35:38):
use Brett security guard for poison for a lot of
years. And then he became thetour manager and security for
Brett on the solo career. But Iwould drop hints to him too. I
would just like, hey, I don'tknow what's going on, you know?
And then one day out. And, youknow, I don't know exactly how I
explained it in the book. Butthe truth of the matter is one
day Brett called me himself.
Well, his his, his personalmanager, Jana called me and

(36:04):
said, a blocked number is goingto call answer this call. You're
gonna want to answer this call.

So you didn't explain that point. That's
fucking cool.

Pete Evick (36:13):
Yeah. And so the phone rang. And I answered,
that's back. That was landlines.
I don't think I had a landline.
And he just said, Hey, Peter,how you doing? I have this gig
in Detroit. And just like I toldI tell this part of the book,
this gig in Detroit. And I, youknow, I know your whole band
knows the stuff just come up andplay. And we didn't rehearse.

(36:38):
And so we went and did the gig.
It was all I tell this in thebook. Yeah. It was awful. And I
remember, we talked

about on the last episode, episode two and then a
second chance.

Pete Evick (36:53):
But he gave me the second chance. And here we are.
So that's basically the story,you know, but yeah, I would just
drop hints to his guitar playerbefore him knowing that the
guitar player was leaving. Hewasn't trying to steal anyone's
job. Right, right. Yeah, no, youknow, and I've pushed the limits
with that. Sometimes I've donesome dumb stuff that I regret.
Like there's been a severaltimes I've been in Sammy Hagar

(37:15):
his dressing room, and I alwayswill go hey, Vic, you know if
you ever sick? Call me, let mefill in or if you happen to
break. I remember telling him acouple of years ago, see ever
break your leg or anything I canfill in for you? And then he
broke his fucking leg? Do youremember? Eric Johnson breaking
his leg?

I don't know. But that's,

Pete Evick (37:35):
yeah, he broke his leg. But he went out on the tour
with a broken leg anyway, but Ifelt like I I willed that to
happen. I felt guilty. You know,you know, but um, yeah, that's
it. I just dropped hints likethat. That was the original
question.

Yeah, no, I just Yeah. Because I'm always like,
always feel kinda like douchey.
Like doing that kind of stufflike

Pete Evick (37:56):
it is if if you actually tried to poach a gig,

it's not perfect.
But like, so for me. For my, forexample, for me, as a as a
podcast, I'm always trying toget guests. You know what I
mean? Like, I just feel weird,like this one, older podcaster.
He said, There was a, I don'twant to say who it was. But
there was a, there was a bandplaying, I really wanted to get
this guy on my podcast, and Iwas friends with the drummer. So
the drummer invited me out tothe gig. So afterwards, I meet
the musician, and I and so he'slike, You should ask him at the

(38:22):
gig, you know, to do yourpodcast. And I asked him, and
then he's like, Oh, I don't wantto do any more podcasts. And
then I just felt so stupid. Iwas like, Oh, I wish I wouldn't
have asked him that as in.

Pete Evick (38:32):
I get exactly what you're saying. But I also know
that I know that you can't getwhat you want. Unless you ask.

Exactly. That's what I struggle with. I don't
know. It's like, it's a weirdthing about,

Pete Evick (38:47):
you're at that point where you should, I don't know,
your inner workings. So forgiveme, but your podcast has grown
so much. And I mean, you're theking of this right now. You have
to know that at least in ourworld, in our genre, you're,
you're the king. And

no, I've never heard that. But thank you.
That's a lot to me.

Pete Evick (39:05):
You know, everybody that does a podcast looks up to
you and all of us that have doneyour show. enjoy it so much. I
mean, you're winning. But you'reat that point where you should
have someone booking for you doyou have a manager or someone
that goes out and gets the guestfor you?

No, that would be fucking amazing. That's what I
want. I want a producer somebodythat can do that. and edit the
episodes and edit the clips andstuff like that. I've been
looking for that I posted avideo about it explaining what I
want. But it's just it's hard.
It's hard to the hardest thingabout the podcasting thing is
just as making money off of itand getting people to listen to
an entire podcast even sometimesI have some really big name

(39:43):
famous people on the show. Andput you know, if they do like
100 interviews, no one's gonnalisten to 100 interviews, even
if you're the biggest fan of theguest or whatever, like it's
just so it's really competitive.
That's Thank you for saying thatthough. It's really flattering
to hear that

Pete Evick (40:00):
I mean, I, you know, I don't mean to take away from
anyone else because I know it'sa small community. And, you
know, Steve helped me write mybook. So you know, Steve. Oh,
Steve is great. I love him. Andhe does a great podcast and, and
I have a lot of friends. Do youknow Bay?

The Bay regni Yeah, he's super nice.

Pete Evick (40:16):
He's great, too.
They're great. And I am honoredto do all the podcasts. But I
remember just being 100% honestwith you. I remember the day I
got the new book in my hand. Andall I thought was, I gotta get
back on Chuck show.

That was so amazing to hear. I don't know how to
react to that. I don't get a lotof compliments. So it's like,

Pete Evick (40:38):
but you know, and I gotta tell you part of it is
your production level your valuewhen you post who's coming on
your show and stuff. All you allof your advertisement all of
your marketing. It just looksnext level to me. I think it
looks great.

Wow, that's that's Thank you for saying I feel like
my production is not goodenough. When I look at other
podcasts and things I'm tryingto level that out. That's like,

Pete Evick (41:02):
You got to aspire to be you always have to aspire to
be better, right? But I thinkall of us I know for a fact all
of us look forward to getting tobe on your show. And and you get
you get some bigger names and alot of your your your peers get
you know that yeah, you're doingsomething extremely special.

Thank you. That's really nice. Yeah, a lot of it
is just grinding, I'm sure asyou know, it's just sending out
so many emails and so muchrejection. And I saw this thing
yesterday was so cool said like,Don't fake it till you make it.
Fake it till you fail, like justfail, get back up, try again.
That reminds me of this quotethat I wanted to talk about
asked you about from your bookwhere you said that you learned

(41:41):
so much from Bret Michaels tothe reason we never made it.
When I looked at all the lessonsthat I learned from Brett was
because I didn't walk. The walkwas even our internal identity
was that of a bar band, we neveractually thought of ourselves as
real rockstars. So we neverthought to carry ourselves as
such. The knowledge made mecrazy. I would scream at my
guys. Why do we give Brett whatwe give him? What we don't give

(42:03):
the same thing to our ownfucking band. So talk about that
about walking that what wouldyou have done? How do you do
that differently? I don'tunderstand.

Pete Evick (42:09):
You know. So it's interesting. It's a neat
question. I appreciate. Iappreciate you asking this
question because it still hauntsme to this day. You know, my
band became Bridgespan. So, theother I was the lead singer of
epic. But other than my guitarplayer, our whole band became
reds fan. And overnight, we werepros. Not that we weren't pros,

(42:32):
before we'd release records, wewere club man. But there's a
mentality that you get inplaying the bars. And there's
something different that happenswhen you become next level. And
I'll give you example, Brettwill often tell stories about
how he would even as far back aswhen they were called Paris, him

(42:54):
and Ricky would come to the gigearly, dressed up different
other hair up and hats. So theywere completely unrecognizable.
While they would set their gearup. So that when Paris who was
just a little bar man hit thestage, they looked like
rockstars. Because in a club,I'm you know, you get there at

(43:16):
five o'clock, and you're settingyour gear up, and you're setting
your gear up and yoursoundchecking while people are
eating dinner, right? Andthey're watching you do this,
you don't look like a star. Youget them going. And I and I
never thought much about thatkind of stuff. And you know, I

(43:36):
don't mean to give Brett'ssecrets away. But similar to
what you were just saying, Brettwould call people and pretend to
be someone else. And to beBrett's manager, but it was
really Brett.

I didn't realize he did. I've heard so many stories
about people doing that. Sothat's interesting that he did
it too, though.

Pete Evick (43:55):
And put all that stuff gave you a perception that
was different. Because if you'rein a local area and you want to
play this local bar, and I calland go, Hey, it's Pete, I'd like
to have a gig then I'm just thatlocal guy. But if I go hey on
Pete EBIX manager and we'relooking at just that little step
makes you a little bit more pro.
Do you know what I mean? Oh,yeah, no, that's right. And I

(44:16):
was I was never that I I was akick the dirt guy and I was you
know, I I just never presentedmyself they it's funny they say
dress for the job you want notthe job you have and that's a
good example of what I neverdid. I just stayed at a bar band

(44:36):
until I was in a bar bandinstead of trying to not be a
bar band in the bar. You knowthat you know kids what would
you have done

differently though?
Would you have weren't Yeah,would you weren't kiss makeup
would you have worn big hair andmakeup or like different dress
differently or?

Pete Evick (44:53):
I don't know that I would dress differently because
even on the stage with Brett tothis day, I just wear a t shirt
and my vans and it. And that'svery important to me to be who I
am. I wouldn't have faked itlike that. But I would have
maybe I wouldn't have gottensuper drunk every night on stage
I was drinking with theaudience, instead of I was one

(45:14):
of them instead of the rock staron the stage. Does that make
sense? And it worked for me atthat level, we were the kings of
what we were doing. There werelines out the door to see our
band play at a bar, right. Butno one would have ever walked
into that bar. And gone, theseguys deserve to be on an arena
stage. Because all we did wasdrink Jagermeister and party on

(45:38):
the stage. And I was bringingthat level. I was bringing the
best of that level. You could.
And if that's all I ever wantedin life, that would have been
great. But I would go home andwonder why I wasn't Van Halen.
Right. And, and that first nightI ever played with Bret, I
understood everything. It wasjust, you bring your A game all

(45:58):
the time. I remember I'd playseven nights a week, you know,
sometimes out in Panama City,Florida, play four sets a night,
seven nights a week. So you'd beon a Monday night. And under the
sun. This is I tell the story.
And I thought it was funny for alot of years. And I look back,
there was a night that I was sobored on a Monday night an all
season at a beach town gettingpaid to play and I was so bored

(46:22):
that I decided that to play thecome on feel the Noize guitar
solo in every single song weplayed. So I played it in the
right key in the right sample.
But I played the, to me that wasa funny joke. And the entire
night surfaced around whether Iwas going to be able to pull
this off on every single song.
And I was entertaining myself.
That was unpro that was unpro iBack then I thought it was the

(46:46):
funniest thing in the world. Butthere was maybe nine people in
that club, I should have treatedthose nine people like they were
10,000 and played my ass off andwanted them to walk out thinking
we were the best man in theworld. And instead, I just
wanted to see if I could dosomething stupid.

Huh? That's really interesting. Yeah. Because I
feel like, that kind of was thepoison mentality to that I think
they talked about and like, how,like he would make these flyers?
And did they have like, like,maybe I even heard that they
kind of had like, some smokemachines or lights or something
like maybe that was part of ittoo, like building more of a Oh,
with the along with the music.
That's yeah.

Pete Evick (47:23):
And when I was younger, you know, like you read
in the book, there's a wholesection where we used to use the
flash pots in the bars. And Iyou know, we did used to bring a
show. And then when the grungething hit, and I was still
playing in the clubs. I rememberthinking, well, they don't have
a show. So I, I slacked off. Istopped doing all that because

(47:43):
it wasn't cool anymore for along time. You know what I mean?
And it's just, there was justdifferent things that I knew I
could play good. I knew the bandwas good, but we just we just
treated it. And I thought I wasbeing pro that's the problem is
hindsight, right? Because at anygiven time back in that day, I

(48:05):
would have told you I'm workingharder than anybody. And I was I
did wake up and I worked hard.
But I was I was working harderinstead of smarter. If that made
sense. It was more important forme to have seven gigs a week
than have two that looked likearena shows it where I could
have probably pulled in moremoney charged more and had a
more valuable product. As youknow, truck, it's hard to it's

(48:28):
hard to explain what I'm saying.
Other than the way I did in thebook. I just didn't know what I
was doing. But I thought I did,because I was so you become a
big fish in a small pond. Andthere's one in every single
town, right. And there's one inevery single day, there's the
top band in every town, three orfour top bands, whatever. And

(48:51):
you just you just start tobelieve you know, everything.
There's a whole segment in thatbook, I think, I don't know if
you would remember where I talkabout my drummer, in some odd
reason, Keith Sarna, me and him,but it heads all the time. He
had different ideas abouteverything. And I just disagreed
with him all the time, becauseit was my band. And I was the

(49:11):
one getting the calls to do thegigs. And it must be me no one a
drummer doesn't know anything.
And and there's good chance hewas right about a lot of that
stuff. You know?

Oh, yeah. Yeah, no, it is. It's like Hindsight is
2020. And I don't know, that'swhat I try to learn about all
the stuff. I try to learn thepath, I guess. I think it's
whether you're doing music, orpodcasting or starting a
business or whatever, it's allthis like learning success. And
I feel like Bret Michaels isyou've learned a lot from him
because he's he's done all ofthose things. He's had a

(49:43):
business. He's got a TV show.
He's had a band.

Pete Evick (49:46):
Yeah. How can you not I always make the show and I
may have told this to you. Thelast time we were on the show.
It's one of my favorite momentsever is. Eddie trunk was out
watching my band play. And hethis was only like three years
ago i Eddie's come to see meplate lots. But on this
particular night, he's come tosee me play my acoustic thing a

(50:06):
lot. But this was my full liveband with me and Eric
Brittingham and a couple otherpeople. And he walks up and he
goes, Man, your voice is great.
And you're such a good frontman.
And it was a compliment. But Iremember my brain. And I said,
Eddie, I said, Well, I've spentthe last 20 years next to the
best frontman in the world. If Ididn't learn something, that

(50:28):
that's pretty embarrassing.
Like, I should be a goodfrontman. If I'm, if I'm not a
good frontman after 20 years,standing next to the best, then
fuck me, right? And I'm a bigidiot.

Yeah, and you learned, you're talking about
the book, how you learned how tobe a tour manager from Dana
strum of slow because like,because, and he had been doing
it for Vince O'Neill and stuff.
And so you, you reach out tohim. And you learned a ton about
how to be a good tour managerfrom him.

Pete Evick (50:52):
One of the scariest phone calls in my life, to be
honest with you, because Ididn't know Dana. I knew who he
was. He kind of knew who I was,or whatever. But I remember the
phone ringing and I remembergoing, I don't even know how to
ask this question. And in Dana,Have you ever talked to Dana?

No, I've tried to get him on the show. But I know
that they're not doing pressbecause there's a slaughter
documentary coming out orsomething like that.

Pete Evick (51:15):
So Dana's business, like, like, you're not gonna go
hit the town party and, andlaughing and joking with Dana.
And I knew that about him. AndI, I just remember thinking,
this fucking guy's just gonnahang up on me. Like, I'm gonna
call and I have to ask aquestion that I'm certainly no
one's ever asked him. And it'snot gonna be interesting to him.
And why would he want to tell meany of the stuff? And when he

(51:38):
answered the phone, and I said,I said, I don't know how to. I
don't even know how to ask youthis question, but I'm put in
this position to be what you areright now. And I don't know how
to do it. And he just opened thefloodgates man, and he was so
cool. taught me everything. And,and it's funny. I just sent him
a copy of the book yesterday.
Sorry, my dogs chiming. Allright. All right. Well done. But

(52:01):
he's wonderful. He's so smart.
Dana knows everything. You know?
Yeah. Dana's from Silver Spring,Maryland. Most people don't I
don't think know that. Which isright up the road from where I'm
from. And, but he's instrumentalin finding, you know, Randy
Rhoads. Do you know that he was?

(52:23):
He was the one that got RandyRhoads into Ozzy I was. I don't
think I didn't know that. Yeah,yeah. I laugh with him sometimes
because he he is responsible forfinding Randy Rhoads. And he's
responsible for finding VinnieVincent. So he found one of the
greatest of all time, and one ofthe biggest train wrecks of all
time.

Well, and you know what else they found? I thought
I'm assuming that he found theirdrummer. What's kind of now I'm
blanking Zoltan Cheney.

Pete Evick (52:52):
I think his name is Zoltan is actually

he is frickin the most insane drummer. I love
them. It's incredible

Pete Evick (52:59):
to watch right?
Yeah. Yeah, so he was actuallyBrando's friend. Okay. Him and
Blanda. We've known each otherfor a lot of years and that's
where he came from. Yeah,

but he's talking about a guy who plays like he's
like doing a show for a millionpeople by endo knows oh, by the
way, he like the other visuals.
Like I don't even know. I don'tknow a lot about drumming. So I
don't maybe he's technically nota good drummer, but I think he's
so fun to watch. I love watchingdrummers. I mean, I think
they're amazing.

Pete Evick (53:29):
technic.
Technically, you know, he'splaying Motley Crue songs in the
Vince Neil van. And Tommy isconsidered one of the best,
right? So he's pulling that off,and he's pulling it off all the
jump and 20 feet in the air. Sohe's he's an incredible
gentleman without it.

He's so fun to watch. I mean, I just love
watching any musician. I justlove music. I mean, I'm still
fascinate because I suck. So Iwant anybody like the new guns
and roses song came outyesterday. And I was and I'm
like, This is amazing. It's waybetter anything I can write, you
know, people would criticize itor whatever. But I didn't

Pete Evick (54:03):
listen yet. I read an article where it said it was
a throwaway song from ChineseDemocracy. And I thought I don't
I don't know if I want to hearthat. But I have to listen. I
feel

Yeah, I mean, I know it's not their best song or
whatever, but it's still waybetter than anything I could
ever make.

Pete Evick (54:20):
I got I got it. What is their best song to you?

Oh, man, that's that's a tough I really like the
song you could be mine. I thinkthat's one of my that was like,
right when that era kinda iswhen I got into rock and Guns
and Roses. And then I went backand obviously I mean, I'd heard
some of the singles fromappetite when I bought the
album. And then like it's soeasy. I was like, you know, just
the way they had that like fuckyou attitude like we don't give
a shit because I didn't havethat as a kid so listening to

(54:47):
somebody else who had it I waslike, You guys are fucking cool.

Pete Evick (54:50):
i my i feel still think my favorite Guns and Roses
on his rocky queen. I love it.

That's a good one too. It's got a cool groove and
it's got the you know the storybehind it. Are they It's still
having sex with Steven Adler'sgirlfriend, like those sounds
are on.

Pete Evick (55:05):
Yeah, but I love that I love that song. I love
appetite man who doesn't though,right?

Yeah, you ever have any run ins with those the guns
guys or

Pete Evick (55:13):
Steven Adler's played with us a few times?
Other than that, no, no, I, Ihadn't even seen Guns and Roses
till last year. First time in mylife was last year, or maybe two
years ago. And I was a big fanof the music but I I just never
got around to go and see him andwhen I went to see it, I was

(55:36):
mine. I was already a giant fanof slash. But have you seen it
live? Like recent actually,

I've seen I've seen the new one, I think three or
four times I saw him withChinese Democracy ones. And then
my first concert ever wasMotorhead, Guns and Roses and
Metallica and the kingdom andSeattle.

Pete Evick (55:52):
Oh, right on, right.
So I've never seen slash live.
And he blew my mind, man, heblew my mind. Like not a missed
note. Not just pure. Just, hejust lives and breathes it. It.
A lot of times, people the onething people say about me is
that make it look easy. And Ithink he makes it look easy.

(56:17):
It's like he's just breathing,whatever that stuff is. It was
like, he could be in the shower.
Or he could be driving a car andstill be playing like that. I
was blown away. And whoever thatother guitar player is with him
right now is Richard Schwartz.
Holy fuck, dude. That guy'sincredible. Like, Next Level
incredible. I had no idea. Idon't know why they had him in

(56:39):
the band. I mean, he didn't playlike that. You know what I mean?
But, but that guy. There's somany good players out there.

Yeah, I'm a huge Disney fan. Especially his
songwriting. I just felt like hewas an integral part of the
songwriting. I feel like we needto.

Pete Evick (56:55):
It's clear, right?
Because he's the missingelement. And, and that's what's
missing still is that sound. Soyou never know. You know? I
don't know if I told you thisbefore but and this is not a
diss. It's just a story on theone record that me and Brett did
called jammin with friends wherewe had different players play on
the different records ondifferent songs. We had Joe
Perry play. And Joe Perry sentus his tracks. And they were

(57:19):
great. But they weren't what weexpected. Right. And and who's
the other guitar player BradWoodford. Me and Brett literally
had a conversation we're like,did we get the wrong guy?

No.

Pete Evick (57:37):
Should we have gotten Brad Whitford to play? He
joked played slide guitar on ourcountry remake of every rose. So
all that sly guitar in thatrecording is Sam. But it didn't
sound Aerosmith the if you knowwhat I'm saying?

Maybe he wasn't maybe he was

Pete Evick (57:58):
trying to make it sound. Maybe I just remember me
and Brett put in the tracks andexpecting something a little
different. It was great. Youunderstand I'm saying it was
great. We just thought it wasgonna be something different and
we were like, oh, man, should wegotten Brad to do this? And and
it's the same thing with Izzyslash is this amazing guitar
hero. But is he clearly clearlydefine that sound? That's the

(58:22):
part that we're still wanting tohear that doesn't happen yet.
Has to be him some missing link.
Right.

And I when I love I think Steven Adler I think his
drumming is something about it.
I don't again, I don't know anyof the technical things or
whatever. You could say MattSorum is a better drummer or the
I think is at Frankfurt, or theguy they have now is technically
better. But there was somethingabout they say Steven Adler had
this swing or whatever, butthere's something about that
first album, he did drums is sothe cowbell and stuff I love it.

Pete Evick (58:49):
And, and rocket queen is a prime example of
that. And to better to get toget a better data get better at
that. Yeah, there's somethingthere's, you know, yeah, I'm
gonna go on record and saysomething right now that I never
say. You know, it's it's, it'sno known. It's, it's. I'm gonna

(59:11):
push the limits here. Good. Ilove it. Hey, on that last time,
I did a show. I said some shitabout Panthera. And it went
viral. Did you see all thathappen? No. When was that? Maybe
six months ago? Oh, I saidsomething about the singer
Panther that perhaps I shouldn'thave said and I still believe

(59:32):
what I said. I never took itback and never apologized. But,
you know, so. So there's nosecret to the rock neural
community that that me and me.
You know, me and CeCe are reallygood friends. But me and rocket,
we don't get along very well.
And it's funny his birthdaysthat day at the day before mine
were both Leo's were probablymore similar than anyone would

(59:55):
ever dream. Right? But he doesDon't love that. He doesn't love
the school band. And he, heknows how much a part of that I
am. And so he's the last time Isaw him, we gave each other a
hug. And everything was really,really nice, but I'm not his
favorite person in the world.
And but there's a lot of peopleit's no secret that he's not

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considered one of the greatestdrummers. Right? It, there's no
secret to that. You know, butstylistically, he made that
poisoned sound. Same thing withSteven Adler, he does drum in a
very unique way that createsthat sound. And that's what just

(01:00:43):
like Guns and Roses are justlike any of those bands. Back in
the day. It was the sum, itreally was a sum of all four of
those four or five members, thatwould create something, not It
didn't have to begroundbreaking. It just had to
sound somehow fresh, or new, orsomething different, you know?
And rocket does this thing withthe high hats that no one else

(01:01:07):
does. He has a swing on the highhats, that that created part of
poisoned style. Because if youwould have just had Fred curry,
or even Tommy Lee plan on hispoison songs, they would have
just been hard rock songs. Andhe had this rock and has this
jazz influence that was able togive those songs a twist that no

(01:01:30):
other drummer would have had. Ityou know, and, and so my point
is going back to Adler and yousaying you don't know a lot
about drums? Just like just likeKurt Cobain. It doesn't matter
whether you are good or not. Itwas Did you deliver something
brand new to the world?

Chuck Shute (01:01:50):
That Well, that sounds like a compliment to
Ricky?

Pete Evick (01:01:53):
Well, as I'm saying, this is the first time in
history I've ever complimentedthe guy. That's what I'm saying.

And also, the thing that I love about Ricky rocket
is, first of all, his name isfucking awesome, Ricky rocket.
And then he just he, along withall the other members of poison.
He had that cool look. And likeI think his look kind of
evolved. I kind of liked thatcrack that crack a smile era
where they, they looked reallycool in that in that era, I
thought that was kind of a neat,modern rock. But like, it was

LM there was elements to the garage, but they
still, they still looked. Yeah,all of them had super long hair
at that time, if you remember,like, like, and yeah, I mean,
poison always, always, even tothis day. They they take the
best pictures, let's just say.
They look cool. You know what Imean? They do? Yeah,

well, he's talking about saying things that you
shouldn't say like, I like thatpart in the book where he say,
Maybe I shouldn't spoil it. Butyou just say, look, I probably
shouldn't tell the story. And Iwas like, Oh, this is gonna be
good. And then you kind of getinto a thing about Don Dokken.
Yeah, I don't think it reallythrows threw shade at him or
anything. But people should readthat part, too. I thought that
was interesting. I didn't thinkit was as bad as you kind of

(01:03:04):
built it up to.

I agree. I agree. It was, that was a weird moment.
Because because over the yearswhen I first joined reds fan,
Don wasn't wasn't mean to me.
But he wasn't super nice to me.
I was the new guy in town. Andwe at that point, Dokin and us
were playing together a wholelot. And then maybe, maybe three

(01:03:31):
years into it. He walked up tome, he goes, you got a good you
got a good gig here, kid. Hecalled me kid. You got a good
gig gig here, kid. Keep it up.
You're doing great. And that wasneat to be accepted from Don.
You know what I mean? And thenwe've had a couple moments over
life that have bonded us alittle bit. Yeah, we're
certainly not buddies. We don'tcall each other or anything like

(01:03:54):
that. But he that was thatreally affected him the story I
tell him that book you His facewas he wasn't being a dick about
it. I can't explain it. He justdidn't expect that none of us
expected it to happen. Whetherwe were friends or in the band
or road crew. None of us thoughtrock love was gonna do that. And
it did it overnight. You knowwhat I mean? So all of a sudden

(01:04:16):
Don's playing one night to youknow, rock fans. And the next
night he's playing to popculture fans, and it threw him
for a loop. You know what Imean? He wasn't prepared for it.
But yeah, it's funny that youman, you retain that knowledge
so much. You're right. I don'tthink

I just read the book yesterday. Mostly. I took
copious notes so that I don'tforget. Yeah, I don't retain
I'll probably forget thistomorrow. But

yeah, I wasn't trying to talk shit about Don it
was just, I thought it was aninteresting thing to tell the
story and obviously, I thoughtit was too

wise and then just that whole rock I love I think
this part was really interestingabout how you talk about the
cameras followed you guys aroundon tour. And it is weird to
think about this. You hadcameras was on you 24/7. And
like, you know, like, like, whatif you had cameras on you 24/7
Like, what you're picking yournose or like, your face, you say
an off color joke, my god that,like start to bring a paranoia

(01:05:13):
level that I can imagine to bevery stressful.

It was stressful.
And like I explained in thebook, the stressful part of it
was we weren't even reallycharacters. We were just the
background, but was stillhappening. I mean, they had
cameras everywhere all the time.
And,

and they're only looking for something crazy,
right? So like, if you did makea bad joke, or you did or you
tripped and fell, like, that'sprobably the thing that's going
in the show.

The reason I'm laughing is my girlfriend is
right here. And did you rememberthe show life as I know it?
Which one was that? Life was Iknow, it was the show that came
after rock of love season. Okay,it was more of a TV show about
those kind of like the Osborne'swhere it was more about Brett's
family, but on tour. And wewere, we were playing in Indiana

(01:06:05):
one night. And we had a busparty after the show, and we
film the bus party. And as theparty was over, and we thought
of the cameras were gone, and wethought the whole thing was
over. My girlfriend Tina fallsflat on her fucking face. Oh,
shit, getting getting walkingoff the bus. And fuck if it
didn't show up on the show. Andon the commercials, and it was

(01:06:27):
that week's it was the clip thatweek of the commercials and you
know, coming this week. You knowwhat I mean?

So, your fear is a

sucks. Yeah. So you're exactly right. You know,
can

I think you also kind of got a laugh at some of
that stuff. I mean, that's a whohasn't fallen on their face
before. I mean, everybody'sdone, especially around ice.

Right. And then there was the in the season two
of rock of love. We I don't knowif I said this part in the book
or not. But my drummer Chuck.
They were out filming us playingin the bar, not Season One,
there was a scene. Similar butthis was a this was the next
year. And they they filmed us.

(01:07:11):
And Brett goes back to his room.
And they follow us on the girlsout of the bar. They did this
every season. One episode, theydid this each year, and my
drummer truck gets so fuckingdrunk. So somehow he kisses one
of the girls spreadscontestants. Right? Or one of
the REI club girls. And I sawthe cameras and trucks married.

(01:07:33):
And He's so drunk, he doesn'tknow where he's at. And I saw
the cameras and I saw theproducers. And as soon as it
happened, all the cameras werelike sharks they all ended up
for they're like they're oncomms. You know what I mean?
Like, oh, we got something goodover there. You know what I
mean? And I remember I went tothe producers. I begged them. I
said, Man, he's married. I said,Please don't embarrass his wife.

(01:07:58):
I said he'll tell his wife whathappened? We're not trying to
lie about it. But don'tembarrass his wife by showing
this on national TV show. Oh, weprobably won't. And insurance
fucking enough. It was thehighlight of the fucking
episode, you know?

Yeah, I hate that shit. And that's something I
struggle with as a podcasterwhen I do these interviews,
because I'm like, Okay, do Ibring this up? This is like kind
of gossipy and like, I don'treally want to be known as that.
But also like, it's interestingsometimes. So then you're kind
of it's like an ethical dilemma.
Yeah. Anyone ever asked me bythe way, if anyone ever asked me
to, hey, can you take this partout? I fucking take it out,

(01:08:42):
though.

Right. And you know, as far as those cameras go
again, there was again in theother show. Life was I know it.
There's, I don't remember if Italked about this in the book,
either not to be honest withyou. But there was a season
there was an episode whereBrett's having a conversation
with me and his father, aboutbecause both me and his father

(01:09:06):
were divorced. And part ofBrett's fear of getting married
as he never wanted to be astatistic. He doesn't want to
end up to his parents weredivorced. He remembers that to
this day. And he just doesn'twant to be a statistic. Right?
So he's having thisconversation. They're filming us
for hours, talking about thepros and cons of getting married
and what divorce is like, and Igo on and on and on. About my

(01:09:31):
marriage was great. Say allthese wonderful things about my
ex wife, say all this stuff. Andthen somehow the conversation
leads into me saying, me and herhad become completely different
people. We still get along. Westill love each other. But if I
was presented with a situationtoday, I probably wouldn't marry

(01:09:53):
my wife again. Right? But I givethis whole explanation at a
time. The clip they use is soulLee, I wouldn't marry my wife
again. And they took it so farout of context that it makes me
look, if you were watching, I'dlook like a dick. And my phone,
the second that aired, my phonehas never rang so much her

(01:10:14):
family, my family, everybody,and but you know what, you know
what you're doing when you dothat when you go into those
shows you, you know that soshame on you, not them. They're
there to get you. You get towater with a shark, you know,
you might get bit right, huh,that's,

that's good to know. It's a good tip right
there. If you ever end up on areality show, I know that
they're looking for the dirt.
And

someone had told me that Cece, when we started
filming a rock of love becauseCeCe had done some real life.
Prior to Brett doing right,okay. And CeCe came to me and he
said, he goes, You be careful.
Because all they're looking foris a rating, they're looking for
a moment he goes, that's theirjob is to get you being an
idiot. And so it was always onmy mind, you know what I mean?

That would be so stressed. Because I'm always an
idiot. So I never do that. If Iever

changed my life.
Like I said in the book, itchanged my life because I was
always an outgoing guy. And Iwas always just fine with who I
am. And those cameras turned meinto a different human being
that I still to be honest withyou. It wasn't even my show
wasn't my show. And I wasgrateful. I was grateful for the
success that it was givingBrett, which in turn became

(01:11:28):
success for me in the band. Iwas I can't explain how it
changed the perception. Itchanged my career. It changed
everything about my professionallife, but it killed who I was 20
years ago. I'm not that guyanymore. And it was because of
those cameras following me. Thatturned me into an introvert that

(01:11:49):
I still have not backed out ofor recovered from.

Really Oh, really?
So that's like not a good thing,then.

Do you know what? I play the I toured the world?
I've toured the world. I've donesome cool things. I text message
as freely. You know what I mean?
So there's way more good thanbad. I've just become an
introvert because of that lastseason. I rock love. That's all.

Well, yeah, you talk about because he's talking
about kindness. And I feel likeyou're a pretty kind guy. For
the most part. I mean, sure,nobody's perfect. But one of the
quotes that I wrote down wasreally cool. He said, Never been
satisfied in your careertranslates to never being
satisfied with who you are as aperson. And when you're not
satisfied with who you are, as aperson is difficult to let other
people close to you. Because youfeel you have very little to

(01:12:35):
offer until you reach whateverplace you feel defines success.

Right. Yeah. I mean, it sums up who I think I am.
It's funny to hear that readback. Yeah, but that's very
true. That's very how I feel youknow, very much.

So you feel satisfied with who you are now,
or is more of an introvert.

I wish that I was more outgoing than I am. Now. I
used to love going out to themerch booth after the shows and
interacting with the fans andtalking to people and all that
stuff. And, and sometimes now, Iwalk through the backstage door,
and I think I'm gonna go outthere. And I something cripples
me and I can't walk out thatdoor. And I don't know why that

(01:13:22):
is. I don't know. Some nights Ican do it some nights. I can't.
So no, maybe I'm not. I'msatisfied with who I become
professionally. There's a lot ofwork to do with who I am.
Personally still, I think so.
Maybe I contradict that quote alittle bit.

Yeah. Well, I think there's always work to be done
with who we are. I mean, I lovethat shit. I love self
development and personal growth.
And that's why I love your bookso much. Because I felt like oh,
I can relate to the stories.
It's inspiring. I'm learningknowledge. I mean, I love all
this stuff, the rock talk andstuff too. But I loved like the
journey. That's the thing. Likeyou get the call from Bret
Michaels. Like that's like thedream for everybody. Everybody

(01:14:00):
gets that call someday.
Hopefully, that changes yourlife.

Yeah, very much. And it's funny, I laugh a lot of
times because that movieRockstar is considered kind of
corny, but that movie, everyblock every part of it's true.
It's my life because becausepoison was one of my favorite
bands. I have videotapes ofdoing poison songs in in high
school talent shows and coveringtheir songs. So that story is
rings real true to me, man, youknow, and even even even the end

(01:14:29):
of it where he starts, he endsup back playing acoustic shows.
locally. I've gone back to doingthat too, even though I'm still
in Bridgespan it didn't endexactly like that. But I've even
experienced that I have thiswhole new wonderment in my life
of him for a while I It wasn'tan ego thing. It was a value
thing. I've become this so I'mnot gonna step back down to

(01:14:51):
doing this. And and then whenCOVID happened and all the local
bars that supported me before Iwas in Read, spin and help me
feed my kids were all introuble. This is a longer story
than I thought I was going totell. Sorry. Let me go back and
say when I would play locally,after being in Brisbane for so

(01:15:13):
many years, I, I demand it I'dmanaged to be paid more than
most local bars would pay,because I wasn't just a local
band anymore, I'd done all thisstuff. And I deserve, you know,
and I would, I would have thisdeal with any local bar that I

(01:15:35):
would play, and I would only paya couple times a year. And I
would say, I want you to behonest with me, oh, we'll
negotiate pay, but I want to bepaid the most that you pay
anybody. Because I'm a hybrid.
I'm here as a local musician forthe group here. But I've done
this and that, and this andthat, and that, and I deserve as

(01:15:56):
kind of trying to balance localguy, and Rockstar. And when
COVID happened, I saw all thebars and all the service
industry, hurting and suffering.
And all sudden, I thought, Theseare the guys that supported me

(01:16:16):
when I had nothing. And now Iwalk around cocky, and I demand
a demand more money than maybethey can afford just to have me
play this place. And then mymind changed. And I went back to
all of them. I said, I want toplay everywhere. I want to play
acoustic, I want to get back tomy roots. And I want to I want
to do this. And I'll do it forwhatever you pay everybody else.

(01:16:39):
Because I'd rather help you.
Instead of take your money. I'drather help you get back on your
feet and COVID Change myperception, if that makes sense.

No, absolutely, you're trying to help out, I
totally understand that.

Instead of using what little star power I may
have for myself. It was time touse it to help the people that
helped me. And I started playingthese acoustic gigs again, and I
fucking love it man. Like lastweek, I played in front of
30,000 people at the Tampaamphitheater during during the
party girl tour. And the verynext night, I came home and I

(01:17:14):
played a small bar in front of10 people with my acoustic
guitar. And both gigs were it'sexciting to me.

That's awesome.
That's when you know you foundthe secret, whatever that may be
to happiness is that you can behappy doing both?

Yeah, you just got to. Yeah, eventually you you put
it all behind you and rememberwhat you got into it for. And
you got into it for the love andpassion. Of, of like I said what
MTV famous means watching thatTV watching MTV. And those guys
made me happy. Whether it wasJudas Priest with I remember
love baits was the second videoI ever saw on MTV. First video

(01:17:50):
was Genesis. That's all justnothing and it was going on
right? Wrong thought was right.
And then second video was lovedby Judas Priest, I remember
going, Oh, fuck, this is howthis is gonna be, this is gonna
be great. And it wasn't becausethey didn't play all those metal
videos all the time. I waitedanother week till I saw like Van
Halen or something, you knowwhat I mean? But I remember the
feeling I had Rob Hallford in myliving room, it was the greatest

(01:18:12):
thing in the world. And that'swhat we do this for. And, and
eventually you start to do itfor the chicks and the money and
the drugs and that stuff comesin. It's a luring, but most of
us that it wasn't for any ofthat it was pure passion of the
way music made us feel and comefull circle. And finally get

(01:18:33):
back to that. That's when youwin. That's that's when you win
when you know that that's whatyou're doing it for. And that's
where I am right now. I am verymuch. If one person wants to
hear me sing. I want to sing foryou. You know what I mean?

I love it. Great.
Well, people should definitelyget the book. It's out now MTV
famous, and follow you onInstagram for all the other
Shining Soul Candle Company. Yougot the bourbon whiskey and the
sauce stuff is coming out soon,too. And of course, you're in
Bret Michaels band, you guyshave show dates as well. And
then I always end promoting tocharity. I think last year you
promoted mission 22 Which

Yeah, so I mean, if I if I get to, you know,
obviously there's a prep hikes,Bret Michaels Life Rocks
Foundation, which is you candonate to that right on his
website. And I should havepromoted that before. I should
have kept it in my own family.
But Life Rocks is unique.
Brett's foundation is great. Hehe, he takes the money and then

(01:19:35):
he gives his he calls it $1 Indollar out. There's no
administration fees. There'snobody but him. So every dollar
that comes in, goes out and hesends it to soldiers. He sends
it to animals, a Sims it sendsit to women that have been an
act of violence, domestic crimesand stuff like that. So you

(01:19:57):
never know where the money isgoing to go but it's always
Going somewhere very important.
So if you could promote Brett'sLife Rocks foundation is very
unique charity and very

great. I love all those causes. I'll put that
website in the show notes alongthe links, though, is that do
you have a website that has allthis all your stuff on one or
link tree or something likethat?

I don't have any. I just have my social medias.
There's no.com. But all that'sever up there is if I have a
show date for my band, there'snothing really in there. Okay,
I've lost track of actualwebsites, social media. I just
do it all there.

Okay, cool. I know you got a flight to catch. So
I'll let you go. But thanks fordoing this. This was a lot of
fun. And again, come backanytime when you have something.
Yeah.

I appreciate it.
Man. It's, I would like I saidlast time I when I get to
Arizona again. I would love tojust go out and hang out if you
have it up.

If you're up to Yeah, we talked about you wanted
to go to that jalapeno andFilipino

in Florida. I heard they open the third one now. I
don't know where Gilbert orsomething I heard they. Yeah,
yeah, but I would love it if youwould take the time. Next time.
I'm there. I haven't been there.
We haven't played out there. Wehaven't been around. So but but

if you're going to do a show here because I look a
couple looking at the tourdates. And I didn't see one. But
I saw some openings in Decemberthat maybe you could squeeze on
in

navy. It's not on the books. Now. I know that Live
Nation loved the party girlthing and they're buying some
more data and put them indifferent markets next year. So
I hope we go out west, we didn'tgo west at all. Nothing. It's so
weird

that Mark McGrath is is on that. It's so weird,
because he follows me onInstagram. And I don't mistake
he's never liked anything I'veposted. But I was like why does
he follow me? Is this a mistake?

No, no, Mark. I gotta tell you, man, he is the
coolest guy in the world. Andhe, he knows everything. He is a
researcher. He will spend allday just researching things. So
if anybody he knows has doneyour podcast, he checked it out.
So he knows me. He knows me. Sohe knows you. And tons of other

(01:21:59):
people. He knows you've done,you know? And yeah, Mark is
awesome. Marks amazing. I don'tknow if you're a fan of Sugar
Ray. But as a human being, as afamily

is workout. It was because he was on I thought it
was Entertainment Tonight, butit was extra or was it both?

I can't remember he's done all that kind of
stuff. And he was game show hostand all that stuff. But he is
the interesting thing to meabout Marcus. He can't learn
enough. He just everything evenif you're having conversation
with him. It's educational tohim. He's learning something
about you. And he takes throughand he remembers it. And he'll

(01:22:35):
ask questions he'll always askmy favorite thing with Mark is,
no matter what story you tellhim, because now what year was
that? And he he he he's atimeline. He he is what everyone
thinks Eddie trunk is. You knowwhat I mean? As far as this rock
historian, which Eddie is Eddieis but but Mark Mark knows
everything from the from Elvisto, to, you know, the to Jelly

(01:23:00):
Roll. He just retains it all andkeeps it all in. He does not.
It's almost like fear of missingout. He's afraid to not know
something. So he knowseverything. He knows who you
are. There's no doubt about it.

That's cool. I love stuff like that where people are
really into I'm into so manythings too. And it's not just
music, but that's really I lovehearing stories like that. Yeah.
Awesome. All right, well let youget on your flight. And
hopefully we'll see you inArizona at some point.

Thanks, Chuck. so much. Bye. Alright, see?

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