December 10, 2024 • 29 mins
Have you ever wondered how technology in schools affects not just education but also safety and creativity among students? Join us as we step into dad mode and tackle the highs and lows of live streaming on Twitch, sharing our gaming adventures in Black Ops 6. We explore the fascinating shift in school policies over the past decade—where smartwatches get a pass while phones are under lock and key—and how students ingeniously find ways around these rules.
But that's not all! A hot topic on our radar is Australia's bold move to ban social media for under-16s. We delve into this contentious legislation, examining the enforcement challenges, age verification methods, and the broader implications on youth activities. With Elon Musk's critique echoing in the background, we also touch on the potential for similar regulations in the US, highlighting the debates around children's online safety, mental health, and the enormous support this bill received.
As we gear up for global tech trends, we proudly wear our dad badges, juggling family, careers, and our unwavering passion for gaming. Despite the challenges, our controllers remain firmly in hand, and no one is taking them away! Connect with us on social media and podcast platforms under DadModePodcast, and join our growing community as we continue to share insights, laughs, and thoughtful discussions about technology, education, and family life.
Josh aka Bearded_Nova
I'm from Australia and am what you would call a father who games. I have 5 kids so not as much time to game as I used to. But I still game and stream when I can. So come join me on Twitch in chat as we chill out.
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Josh aka Moorph
I'm a US-based husband and father of two boys. I work full-time and have been a content creator since 2000. I'm a YouTube partner, Twitch and LiveSpace streamer who founded a content creation coaching company called Elev8d Media Group (elev8d.media). I'm a blogger, streamer, podcaster, and video-er(?).
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Turning off normal human male mode.
Switching to dad mode.
Welcome in to dad mode Withyour hosts Bearded, Nova and
Morph.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
So here's how I know I have a habit problem.
As soon as I hit, put this onI'm reaching for the bottle of
whiskey.
I don't need to do that.
That is not what I need.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
I just have it.
I mean I would, but I'm drivingafter this.
I've got a lot of driving to dotoday, oh, I.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I don't.
It's 7, 30 in the evening.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I'm not it is what is up you missed my stream so
badly.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I, you know, I I still know stuff.
Not a lot, but I still knowsome stuff.
Some stuff doing well, somestuff I haven't been paying a
lot of attention to like thestreamer space since I stopped
doing so much of that.
I've been doing a lot more ofthis dad mode stuff.
So this, this is the secondtime doing it on Twitch.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
This is the second time doing live, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah, so we've been doing this podcast for a little
over a year and Nova came upwith the idea of hey, why don't
we do it?
And we kind of kicked it offfor a while but why don't we
just go ahead and do it onTwitch?
We'll record it live and then,so we'll get a stream out there
and then we can chop it down asour normal podcast.
So we're going to give it ashot.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Backing up Because we've had a lot of problems,
technical errors on both sidesof things, so this is like a
safety way to cloud saveeverything.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Rando, what is up?
Man?
I hope you're playing Black Ops6.
Spicy, I see you.
How are you doing?
My friend?
It's good to see you.
I've been playing so much BlackOps 6.
Dude.
I will probably hit Prestige 8tonight.
I think that's pretty far in.
Yeah, yeah, I'm not going toget into it, but I've had some
(01:59):
time on my hands lately.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
I mean we talked about your killings, the kills,
the skills, the skills that arenot shown on this screen anymore
.
Basically, you know you're adifferent person to what you
were last time you streamed thegame yeah, it wasn't great I had
I was.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I'm not going to post it on screen because on my
phone, but I had a game and thisis not representative of how
good I, of how good or bad I amin the game, but I did have a
game last week where I got 102kills in in hardpoint I think it
was.
That is not my usual game.
I just was going on boosted.
Yeah, that was not my note,that was not my usual game.
(02:39):
Um, doing well, yeah, I havethanks right thanks, yeah, yeah,
yeah.
So we're gonna get started herein a second.
But, eggroll, if you had aquestion that I can try to
answer before we actually start,you know we'll do our best
through the podcast.
I'll be happy to answer for you.
But yeah, we'll get startedwith our normal topics in just
(03:02):
about a minute and the way itworks is we, like we did last
time, we're going to recordprobably two episodes.
We kind of kick off eachepisode with saying whatever,
and then we'll do it, and thenafter about 20 to 30 minutes we
kind of stop that and then we'lltake a short break to answer
your questions and then we'llstart the second episode and go
(03:25):
from there.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
yeah, no, I was a totally different thing.
For us though we're stillworking that out, I guess is the
best way yeah to handle it, Iwill.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
If you have questions while or comments while we're
doing it, feel free to put themin.
I may or may not react to them.
Live, it depends how it fitsinto what we're what we're doing
it feel free to put them in.
I may or may not react to them.
Live, it depends how it fitsinto what we're what we're doing
.
We did last time and I I feltit was a little messy but you
know, it turned out all rightand we were also going in some
weird directions yeah, we were,yeah, we were it's because we
(04:00):
had.
We had moose on here we had.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
We had, we had an influence affecting that.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
We did, but.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
I do want to bring up our first topic, though,
because I think it's weird,Weird and good and it could mean
a lot.
What happens in this canactually affect the world, I
guess, is Australia has passed alaw now that all social media
will be banned for under 16 yearolds.
So, as the law is passed, thesecompanies such as Facebook,
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Twitter, Snapchat, so forth theyhave a year now to implement a
way that they can monitor andenforce the age limit.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
What's the driving age in Australia?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
and enforce the age limit is what's the driving age?
In australia, you can get yourlicense at 17 and your learners
at 16 so maybe they have to.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
They should do something like you know you got
to put in like some kind ofstate id or something you know,
I think that's.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
I think that's one way to do it.
I think the other way would beI've heard and give or take on
what level you are aboutconspiracies.
I guess is facial ID, using AIand facial ID with the camera to
scan your face, to kind of scanage, age identify you.
(05:19):
I guess the other one is usingthird party person, so you have
to get someone else to agreethat that person is of age, or
something like that.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
There's been a few different, yeah, a few different
ways to handle it yeah, if it'slike online naked people, you
know, versus are you over 18?
Yeah, that's not gonna work,you know?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
no, definitely, definitely not that, that type
of age identification.
But the whole idea is gettingthe kids back outdoors.
Okay, that's what.
That's what the prime minister,our leader, wants to see.
More is kids getting offdevices and more outdoors and
they feel like social media bandwill stop.
(06:01):
But that's not saying gaming,that's not affecting, you know,
your xbox lives and yourfortnights, and that it's more
affecting everything else thatabsorbs.
You know tiktoks and that wherethe kids get absorbed in yep and
there's a lot, it's a, it's amixed bag.
There's a lot of parents thatsay I don't want it, but there's
also a lot of parents that sayyes, and at the same time the
(06:23):
prime minister mentioned this isthe government saying it's now
illegal.
So instead of the parentshaving that hard choice with
their kids coming of age andcoming into high school and then
going oh, I don't feelcomfortable with my kid being on
social media, but I kind offeel like I have to because
their friends are on it, this isthe way of you know, basically
(06:43):
palming the blame off to thegovernment saying, hey, sorry,
it's not, I didn't choose thelaw, the government chose the
law.
They said that you're notallowed on it I, I like it.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
My kids are 13 and 11 and they do not.
They do not have social mediaand we're probably not going to
give it to them much before theyturn 16, anyway, you know.
But now we're the bad guys.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
So I uh, the interesting one that I'm really
interested in seeing how it goesis actually, obviously I have a
daughter that's over 16 now, soshe's she's gonna scoot through
life without getting into this.
But the next daughter, who'sstarting to get into her phone
and has snap you know snapchatand talks to her friends and etc
(07:23):
on that she's not 16, she's 12.
Oh shit, so she's gonna getcaught.
You know, I'm interested to seehow that plays out.
What does that life look likefor her now?
Speaker 2 (07:35):
yeah, so she's probably like what the.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Yeah, yeah, I can see , you know, she can see that
she's frustrated, she's nothappy with this, that it's
happening, but it's, you knowit's.
The social media is a weaponfor bullies.
Now, yeah, I mean, it's a, it'sa weapon that wasn't around
when we went to school, right?
But yeah, yeah, you know, bythe, by the end of my high
school career life, we had, youknow, msn messenger.
(07:59):
Yeah, early, early one had icqor irc, etc.
But it's a lot, you know, Idon't remember seeing bullies on
there because the people thatwere on those platforms at a
time were nerds.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
You know what I mean yeah, yeah, yeah, um.
You know, one thing we didn'tmention at the beginning of this
is we're doing this live now.
We're recording these livewhere we have an actual audience
.
Sometimes we're going to getmessages from people that we are
or questions.
We're doing this live now.
We're recording these livewhere we have an actual audience
.
Sometimes we're going to getmessages from people that we are
or questions we're going toread out.
And we just got one that I wantto mention, if you're good with
that Aerosol Rondo, saying mykid is 16 and I'm not at all
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comfortable with it.
The problem was that it wasreally hard for me to control
with having Wi-Fi at schools.
She'd come home with cellphones that her friend had given
her.
We got into a huge argumentonce because I took one of the
phones that her friend gave herbecause she had been hiding it
from me at school.
So it is a problem, right, mykids aren't allowed to have.
The school tells them theycan't use their phones on the
(08:58):
bus.
They can't use their phones atschool.
They can use them when they gethome.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
But you can have it with you in case of some kind of
an emergency.
That's about it.
So that's interesting.
In my state it is actually zeromobile phones at school policy.
So when the kids show up toschool this their phones have to
go into this little containerthis this case as such and it
stays in there, basically like ablocker.
I guess it gets locked andtheir phones stay in this couch
the whole day.
They can't pull it out at lunch.
(09:35):
They can't obviously pull itout in class.
Yeah, mobile phones are bannedat all schools in Queensland, at
least in my state.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, one thing you mentioned a second ago is how
your daughter is getting intoTikTok, and you remember we
brought this up earlier too.
But US they passed that lawthat was going to ban TikTok if
they didn't sell by a certaindate and people kind of forgot
about it.
That date is about 60 days fromnow or less than 60 days from
(10:06):
now.
So if you're in the us, I meanwe don't have a a total social
media ban coming, but we mayhave a tiktok ban coming
literally for everybody.
So and it's the number onesocial media site in the us.
So that will seriously affectkids too oh yeah yeah it's.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
It's crazy how long this tiktok ban has been going
on.
For you guys, though, yeah,like I was, you know, I think a
lot of people were arming forthe apocalypse and ready for it
to be the end of tiktok twoyears ago, a year ago, I don't
know.
Now I feel like it was ages ago.
Yeah, so I guess I'm bringingup.
(10:47):
Moose here said when she was inhigh school 10 years ago, they
weren't allowed to have phoneson us whatsoever, even in the
event of emergency.
So yeah, did most studentsrespect that?
I guess it's a.
I guess, in a way, nowadayskids have a different level of
respect for authority yeah, yeah, I mean, I guess.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I mean I never had respect for authority, which is
part of the problem I hadgrowing up, but I I do too.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I guess what I'm trying to think more so is the
kids.
Either way, you know, there'san ass whooping attached to it
or something horrible is at theend of it as us growing up
compared to nowadays, is becausemy mom and I'm, you know.
I think I've talked about thisway too much over the past year.
But my mom says I'm entitled,so you can't tell me what to do.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, I grew up with nothing and still somehow had a
sense of entitlement?
I don't, I don't.
It doesn't make any sense.
You know, yeah.
So who's the saying that shehad to leave her phone in a
locker?
That's what my kids have to do,still.
You know, yeah, you can have iton you, but you have to put it
in your locker.
If they see you with it inschool, they will take it away.
(11:57):
But here's the weird thing theylet you have smart watches.
You can't do the same thing ina smart watch, but you can still
text, you can still make calls,you can still do a couple
things.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
So yeah well it's that's interesting, like I guess
that shows I don't know, in away it's the best way to put it.
I know with our kids and smartwatches, they can have smart
watches but they can't use anyof the phone features.
And I guess if the phones arein these little protective cases
that don't allow them toreceive signal etc, there's no
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way the phone, there's no waythe, there's no way the watch is
actually getting those features.
I guess, unless you have a, acell cell watch, not a wi-fi
watch or something like thatright.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, like I got a smart watch, uh, last last year
and I got the lte, so it doesn'tI don't necessarily need the
phone with me.
Yeah, and now I know the kidshave my kids have.
Their phones are banned.
But I kind of want to get theman lte smart watch.
In cases anything goes wrong atschool and they can't run to
their locker to grab it.
They could make an emergencycall to me, you know, and I
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could.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
I don't know what I could do but it's, it's funny, I
didn't even think about that.
In a way, I'm like why wouldyou?
What's going to go horriblywrong at school that you need
your?
You don't have mass shootings,and that's exactly what I
realized where we're going nowI'm like hold on, that's right,
I don't, I don't have to, wedon't worry about, that's not a.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
That's not a thing you have lockdown shooter drills
in schools.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
It's freaking insane our kids have lockdowns.
It's freaking insane.
Our kids have lockdowns here inschools and that like, but
that's only for I don't know.
Like there's a suspect in thearea with a knife or something
and, yeah, the police are on thelook, so the school will lock
down yeah that's it.
(13:49):
But all but all the schools haveto keep some money.
In Australia, a 10-foot highfear top fencing.
Really, they call it perimeterfencing.
It looks like, yeah, I don'tknow because you guys have
different building standards soI can't say pool fencing.
It's like a black aluminium,say, inch by inch square.
Yep, that's four inches apartand they go 10-foot high.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
And they run two, three rails across the middle so
you can't really climb up itthat's.
That's really hard to climb up,but you can't really get
through it.
So all the schools most schoolshave got that around the whole
thing nowadays.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Yeah, so active shooter drill.
So so in our chat someone wassaying that they had a shooter
drill at at their kid's school.
Didn't warn the parents first,so I get.
Parents were probably upsetabout that, but I'm fine with it
, because if you tell me that'sreality of a drill, I'll tell
the kid and they'll be ready.
You want them to kind of besurprised, you know, so you kind
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of get a real reaction.
That's yeah that's what I wasthinking, kids but you, you,
they have to understand whatthat feels like so they can be
prepared for that emotion whenand that when it happens.
If it happens when, yeah it'slike.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
It's like a fire drill.
I guess there's no point if youknow any, any drill, it's like
a test, etc.
If you know it's going tohappen, then you're prepared.
Something like that youshouldn't be prepared for it,
should just be spontaneous.
Maybe two people in the schoolknow about it, a handful of
teachers know about it.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
That type of thing, practice it, cancel it
afterwards and good job, you didit right yeah, yeah, um, so
back to the original topic there, before we get any further down
this road.
So I'm wondering how kids aregoing to get around it.
Right, because, like my kid, myolder kid you know we have,
like we use google family linkbecause we have android phones
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and a lot of things are lockeddown he has still found a way
around it, like youtube.
We said you can only useyoutube two hours a day because
he's sitting, sit there foreverjust doom scrolling youtube.
What he found out is if he goesand uses the chrome browser and
looks at youtube, that way hecan look as long as he wants,
because you, the family linkdoesn't allow you to set limits
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on the browser.
Yeah, so you gotta run it thatway.
So I feel like the kids unlessthey put in some kind of age,
real age verification, thesesocial media sites, the kids are
just going to find ways aroundit well, I'm going to go for a
couple of comments around that.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
I've that I came across in the news.
So a mother over in perth youknow she's a mother of 15 and 20
year old she calls the band atoothless tiger, like a blunt
tool.
Ultimately it won't workbecause the kids will just find
another platform to move to,which I guess.
Yeah, new platforms are alwayspopping up, but if this law is
in place, that shouldn't forceany platforms to pop up over the
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given time.
You know what I mean.
Unless, I guess, the onlyplatform I can think of that
probably isn't caught up in thesocial media band and it might
be is Discord.
Really, I'm going to look it up.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I mean for a long time Discord and for some people
Discord is my main chattingtool.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Yeah, discord is my main chatting tool to everyone.
If you want to talk to me,that's the way to talk to me.
So I'm just going through justto see what platforms are
actually caught up and see if Ican get the full list of
platforms.
77% of Australians, though, dosupport the band apparently
going off polls.
Elon musk did say that it'ssubmission to inquire about the
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platforms.
It's not wide twitter is notwidely used by minors.
I don't know, I don't know thattwitter's I don't possibly,
possibly, I I don't know whatabout.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
What about youtube?
Because youtube it's not, it'snot traditional social media,
but it's still a time suck.
You can still go on commentsand and do shit.
Yeah, you know, there's there's, there's the, the messaging
message boards that every siteover like 500 users can have,
where you can go back and forthand stuff.
So it's not traditional, butit's still, you know okay, here
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we go.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
The ban aims to address impact and excess social
media use of children'sphysical.
Anyway, the impact on excessivesocial media use for children's
physical and mental healthaffects social media platforms,
including twitter, facebook,instagram, tiktok, snapchat.
Including Twitter, facebook,instagram, tiktok, snapchat and
Reddit, but not YouTube.
(18:16):
So there you go.
Youtube's not affected intothis.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
And you know, I wonder what it is they're
looking for on a site toconsider it social media?
Because if it's video, if it'schatting, why not Twitch, why
not Kik, right Well, yeah, Iguess maybe the fact that video.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
It's hard to say You're putting a ban on a
company such as TikTok, but notYouTube, who offers shorts.
Right, right, yeah, but at thesame time, youtube does very
much focus on long-form content.
I don't, so maybe.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
If YouTube is exempt because of that, because they
have a site that does otherthings, tiktok will say all
right, well, we're going toredesign our site to be like
youtube and then we're going toskip, we're going to get out of
the band.
So I get the purpose of the lawI.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
I agree it's going to be hard to control it, hard to
regulate it and hard to hard toenforce it yeah, facebook has
has Australia to delay thelegislation passing, saying it
needs more time to assess thepotential impact of the ban see
Bright Dance said they need moretime as well.
Elon Musk blasted the ban lastweek as a backdoor way to
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control the access of theinternet to all Australians.
So I'm sorry, I don't agreewith that.
It's not definitely not tryingto control access for kids to
use the internet.
You know, I mean every.
They've still got access to theinternet um, but yula musk, he
doesn't care about the welfareof kids, he just he's got like
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21 of them he just wants I knowhe just wants to make money that
plans to enforce the age cardby trialing an age verification
system could include biometricsor government id.
So what we thought about up atthe start, which no other
country has tried, raisingprivacy concerns yeah, yeah,
that's true but you know,australia, we're doing this.
(20:16):
We are also the one that forcedonline returns for digital games
yeah but the world, the worldwould not be able to get refunds
yeah, for digital games if itwasn't for australia, where
australia said fuck off, that'snot fair, you can't do that.
So and we got that through.
Every you know but dare say,this will go through, they'll
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work out a way for it and thenother countries will use it.
There there'll be peoplethat'll say no, but I guarantee
you, once it gets through, othercountries will move on.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
We'll move on it so you know I was talking about the
tiktok, upcoming tiktok ban inthe us.
That law actually gives thegovernment now, now that it's
passed, it gives the governmentthe right to add pretty much any
other site they want to thatlist, even though it's already
passed, like they left that openfor themselves.
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So if they said, hey, we likewhat Australia is doing and we
want to go and add Facebook andother sites to our ban, they can
just do it.
They don't have to get itpassed again.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
So the platforms bear the sole responsibility of
enforcement.
They have one year to figure itout, like I said, and how to
implement the age limit, whichis the highest set by any
country.
If there are systematicfailures, if the platform fails
to keep children from having theaccounts, the platform is
liable of fines up to 50 millionaustralian 50 million.
(21:38):
Wow, so about 30 35 million us.
This bill was largely supportedby everyone in parliament that
it passed in the house ofrepresentatives, of
Representatives, with a vote of102 to 13.
Wow, so that was very easilyput in place.
(21:58):
Yeah, but I said we've got alot of days in our school system
already about social mediabullying for kids.
Like nearly every month there'ssomething there they're always
going on about social mediabanning and our kids not banning
, but kids on social mediabanning and our kids not banning
but kids on social media andbullying and stopping suicide at
a young age yeah this is justanother step to just be like nah
(22:22):
, we've had enough of this.
We've had enough of our childrengoing down this rabbit hole.
We've lost way too manychildren to digital online
bullying and and how they'retreated.
So yeah, this is, this is a wayto protect children, I guess
yep, um, I was just looking up.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
So there is a bill in our congress that I think that
they're looking to try to pass,called kids off social media act
, where they're looking for kids13 or under and they want
anyone under age 17 to socialmedia companies to change the
algorithms so they only get acertain kind of content.
(22:58):
So the US is trying to dosomething similar already, but
it doesn't sound like they'vehad the same success.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Here we go.
I'm just looking at, I'm tryingto find an exempt rule here for
the kids.
Those six are the only ones.
Roland said there are going tobe more, so it's not just them.
Now here we go again.
We don't have an exhaust, uh,an ex, a massive list, but the
(23:28):
government has flagged facebookmessenger kids, whatsapp, reach
out, peers kids, helpline, myCircle, google Classroom and
YouTube will be exempt.
So they're looking at the onesthat actually and I guess in a
way I think Facebook does havethat ability, not Facebook.
Youtube has that ability to havekids.
You know how you got YouTubekids.
(23:49):
Youtube kids can't have ads init.
Youtube kids can't have.
There's a lot of features inYouTube kids that they don't
have and I guess that's probablywhat they're looking at.
Same with the facebookmessenger kids.
I brought that up in the earlydays of our the early days of
our podcast.
Here is that what my kids allstarted with their social media
was facebook messenger kids.
So they're looking at apps thatactually do have a proper kids
(24:13):
platform attached to it that canprotect children.
As I said, in facebookmessenger kids they can't send
each other photos.
They can't send each other.
They can't send each otherphotos.
But there's a lot of thingsthey can't do and it's and it's
all up to agreeing on parents,the kids, etc.
It, it's easy way to the kidsto protect themselves and so
(24:34):
forth yeah, there's.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
There's an app I think I mentioned it a long time
ago called bark and it's it'smeant to you install it on your
kid's phone and what it does isit looks at, among other things
like blocking sites, but itlooks at emails they get and it
looks at text messages they getand it evaluates the context and
the content of those.
So, like, if it sees somethingthat sounds like bullying or
(24:59):
sounds inappropriate, it'll thenmessage the parent so that
technology they could perhapskeep these things available for
kids, but kind of take thattechnology and apply it to it.
If the account is like under 15, it's kind of evaluating all
the messages and when it seessomething, like you know,
problematic, then it shuts itdown, alerts the parents,
(25:20):
whatever, but it still gives thekids access to enjoy it.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Maybe that's the solution for these companies.
It's not.
How do we implement a solutionto no matter what.
They're going to have to put inan age verification system in
some degree.
But if they don't want to losethose viewers, those users on
the platform, then they need tolook at how do they create an
(25:48):
e-safety.
I guess, in a way, not justsafety, we'll call it e-safety.
Yeah, there's also here videogames and some messaging
services will also be exempt.
So all video games are exempt,obviously because you don't have
to have voice chat.
You can just not there's.
You don't need chat orcommunication in games.
If you want to play rightmultiplayer, you can turn all
(26:11):
that shit off.
That's a, that's a personal.
That's, I guess, protected onyour end.
I know, I know we talked aboutkids, how they should learn how
to ban, block and etc.
But people just create newaccounts etc, etc.
Those kids are gaming and theydon't want to hear people
bullying.
They can just turn offcommunication.
You can say I only want tocommunicate with my friends and
(26:31):
and no one can once you'veclicked that, I only want to
talk to my friends, no one caninterfere with that.
There's nothing they can do tocommunicate to you.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, I you know.
We both know how toxic videogame voice chat is Like even.
I like I play Call of Duty andI've had.
I've had every all the gamechat turned off for like six or
seven months now, cause I justjust I don't want to hear it
anymore.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
yeah, so very, so, very often you just turn it back
on here one word and go yeah,that's why turn it back off
again, exactly, exactly, I loveit.
When I was doing vr and hardenedto vr, a lot of people would
turn the voice and voice chatoff in vr because when the Quest
2 came out and went sowidespread and mainstream, it
(27:21):
introduced what they calledsqueakers.
So every other platform you'reused to hearing people being
abusive and angry and all that.
In VR it's the opposite.
There are people that do that,but the biggest problem is
squeakers, which are kids thatare like 10 years old, jumping
off these headsets and they'vegot that squeaky loud voice and
(27:42):
they just get into the voicechat and just start going off.
So that's why most people in VRdon't do voice chat is because
of squeakers.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Yeah.
Yeah, I've had some youngpeople in my chat from time to
time and I'm just like why areyou here, you're annoying, go
away.
So in my chat from time to time, and I'm just like why are you
here, you're, you're annoying,go away.
So anyway, I think we shouldwrap this one up.
Anything you want to say aboutit?
Any last words on it?
Speaker 3 (28:03):
no, I mean I'll chat back in.
You know, over time I guesswe'll probably check back in on
this and just see how it's going.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
I'll bring updates as as soon as they start coming
through from my end and what Isee with my own children and if
we, if I hear anything moreabout what's going on with the
tiktok band, we'll definitelymake another episode of that.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
So yeah, just, I guess the only thing I can say
is be ready, world, because nowwe've done this it's banter,
it's bad.
I can see it rolling out inother countries.
You know uk, europe, us, that,canada.
It's only a matter of time thatother countries will be like
stuff it.
It's give it two years.
It's right for australia, we'lldo it here yeah, yeah, thanks,
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australia thanks you're welcomeyou've been listening to dad
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Switching to dad mode.
Welcome in to dad mode Withyour hosts Bearded, Nova and
Morph.
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As soon as I hit, put this onI'm reaching for the bottle of
whiskey.
I don't need to do that.
That is not what I need.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
I just have it.
I mean I would, but I'm drivingafter this.
I've got a lot of driving to dotoday, oh, I.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I don't.
It's 7, 30 in the evening.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I'm not it is what is up you missed my stream so
badly.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I, you know, I I still know stuff.
Not a lot, but I still knowsome stuff.
Some stuff doing well, somestuff I haven't been paying a
lot of attention to like thestreamer space since I stopped
doing so much of that.
I've been doing a lot more ofthis dad mode stuff.
So this, this is the secondtime doing it on Twitch.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
This is the second time doing live, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah, so we've been doing this podcast for a little
over a year and Nova came upwith the idea of hey, why don't
we do it?
And we kind of kicked it offfor a while but why don't we
just go ahead and do it onTwitch?
We'll record it live and then,so we'll get a stream out there
and then we can chop it down asour normal podcast.
So we're going to give it ashot.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Backing up Because we've had a lot of problems,
technical errors on both sidesof things, so this is like a
safety way to cloud saveeverything.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Rando, what is up?
Man?
I hope you're playing Black Ops6.
Spicy, I see you.
How are you doing?
My friend?
It's good to see you.
I've been playing so much BlackOps 6.
Dude.
I will probably hit Prestige 8tonight.
I think that's pretty far in.
Yeah, yeah, I'm not going toget into it, but I've had some
(01:59):
time on my hands lately.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
I mean we talked about your killings, the kills,
the skills, the skills that arenot shown on this screen anymore
.
Basically, you know you're adifferent person to what you
were last time you streamed thegame yeah, it wasn't great I had
I was.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I'm not going to post it on screen because on my
phone, but I had a game and thisis not representative of how
good I, of how good or bad I amin the game, but I did have a
game last week where I got 102kills in in hardpoint I think it
was.
That is not my usual game.
I just was going on boosted.
Yeah, that was not my note,that was not my usual game.
(02:39):
Um, doing well, yeah, I havethanks right thanks, yeah, yeah,
yeah.
So we're gonna get started herein a second.
But, eggroll, if you had aquestion that I can try to
answer before we actually start,you know we'll do our best
through the podcast.
I'll be happy to answer for you.
But yeah, we'll get startedwith our normal topics in just
(03:02):
about a minute and the way itworks is we, like we did last
time, we're going to recordprobably two episodes.
We kind of kick off eachepisode with saying whatever,
and then we'll do it, and thenafter about 20 to 30 minutes we
kind of stop that and then we'lltake a short break to answer
your questions and then we'llstart the second episode and go
(03:25):
from there.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
yeah, no, I was a totally different thing.
For us though we're stillworking that out, I guess is the
best way yeah to handle it, Iwill.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
If you have questions while or comments while we're
doing it, feel free to put themin.
I may or may not react to them.
Live, it depends how it fitsinto what we're what we're doing
it feel free to put them in.
I may or may not react to them.
Live, it depends how it fitsinto what we're what we're doing
.
We did last time and I I feltit was a little messy but you
know, it turned out all rightand we were also going in some
weird directions yeah, we were,yeah, we were it's because we
(04:00):
had.
We had moose on here we had.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
We had, we had an influence affecting that.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
We did, but.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
I do want to bring up our first topic, though,
because I think it's weird,Weird and good and it could mean
a lot.
What happens in this canactually affect the world, I
guess, is Australia has passed alaw now that all social media
will be banned for under 16 yearolds.
So, as the law is passed, thesecompanies such as Facebook,
(04:32):
Twitter, Snapchat, so forth theyhave a year now to implement a
way that they can monitor andenforce the age limit.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
What's the driving age in Australia?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
and enforce the age limit is what's the driving age?
In australia, you can get yourlicense at 17 and your learners
at 16 so maybe they have to.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
They should do something like you know you got
to put in like some kind ofstate id or something you know,
I think that's.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
I think that's one way to do it.
I think the other way would beI've heard and give or take on
what level you are aboutconspiracies.
I guess is facial ID, using AIand facial ID with the camera to
scan your face, to kind of scanage, age identify you.
(05:19):
I guess the other one is usingthird party person, so you have
to get someone else to agreethat that person is of age, or
something like that.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
There's been a few different, yeah, a few different
ways to handle it yeah, if it'slike online naked people, you
know, versus are you over 18?
Yeah, that's not gonna work,you know?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
no, definitely, definitely not that, that type
of age identification.
But the whole idea is gettingthe kids back outdoors.
Okay, that's what.
That's what the prime minister,our leader, wants to see.
More is kids getting offdevices and more outdoors and
they feel like social media bandwill stop.
(06:01):
But that's not saying gaming,that's not affecting, you know,
your xbox lives and yourfortnights, and that it's more
affecting everything else thatabsorbs.
You know tiktoks and that wherethe kids get absorbed in yep and
there's a lot, it's a, it's amixed bag.
There's a lot of parents thatsay I don't want it, but there's
also a lot of parents that sayyes, and at the same time the
(06:23):
prime minister mentioned this isthe government saying it's now
illegal.
So instead of the parentshaving that hard choice with
their kids coming of age andcoming into high school and then
going oh, I don't feelcomfortable with my kid being on
social media, but I kind offeel like I have to because
their friends are on it, this isthe way of you know, basically
(06:43):
palming the blame off to thegovernment saying, hey, sorry,
it's not, I didn't choose thelaw, the government chose the
law.
They said that you're notallowed on it I, I like it.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
My kids are 13 and 11 and they do not.
They do not have social mediaand we're probably not going to
give it to them much before theyturn 16, anyway, you know.
But now we're the bad guys.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
So I uh, the interesting one that I'm really
interested in seeing how it goesis actually, obviously I have a
daughter that's over 16 now, soshe's she's gonna scoot through
life without getting into this.
But the next daughter, who'sstarting to get into her phone
and has snap you know snapchatand talks to her friends and etc
(07:23):
on that she's not 16, she's 12.
Oh shit, so she's gonna getcaught.
You know, I'm interested to seehow that plays out.
What does that life look likefor her now?
Speaker 2 (07:35):
yeah, so she's probably like what the.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Yeah, yeah, I can see , you know, she can see that
she's frustrated, she's nothappy with this, that it's
happening, but it's, you knowit's.
The social media is a weaponfor bullies.
Now, yeah, I mean, it's a, it'sa weapon that wasn't around
when we went to school, right?
But yeah, yeah, you know, bythe, by the end of my high
school career life, we had, youknow, msn messenger.
(07:59):
Yeah, early, early one had icqor irc, etc.
But it's a lot, you know, Idon't remember seeing bullies on
there because the people thatwere on those platforms at a
time were nerds.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
You know what I mean yeah, yeah, yeah, um.
You know, one thing we didn'tmention at the beginning of this
is we're doing this live now.
We're recording these livewhere we have an actual audience
.
Sometimes we're going to getmessages from people that we are
or questions.
We're doing this live now.
We're recording these livewhere we have an actual audience
.
Sometimes we're going to getmessages from people that we are
or questions we're going toread out.
And we just got one that I wantto mention, if you're good with
that Aerosol Rondo, saying mykid is 16 and I'm not at all
(08:36):
comfortable with it.
The problem was that it wasreally hard for me to control
with having Wi-Fi at schools.
She'd come home with cellphones that her friend had given
her.
We got into a huge argumentonce because I took one of the
phones that her friend gave herbecause she had been hiding it
from me at school.
So it is a problem, right, mykids aren't allowed to have.
The school tells them theycan't use their phones on the
(08:58):
bus.
They can't use their phones atschool.
They can use them when they gethome.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
But you can have it with you in case of some kind of
an emergency.
That's about it.
So that's interesting.
In my state it is actually zeromobile phones at school policy.
So when the kids show up toschool this their phones have to
go into this little containerthis this case as such and it
stays in there, basically like ablocker.
I guess it gets locked andtheir phones stay in this couch
the whole day.
They can't pull it out at lunch.
(09:35):
They can't obviously pull itout in class.
Yeah, mobile phones are bannedat all schools in Queensland, at
least in my state.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, one thing you mentioned a second ago is how
your daughter is getting intoTikTok, and you remember we
brought this up earlier too.
But US they passed that lawthat was going to ban TikTok if
they didn't sell by a certaindate and people kind of forgot
about it.
That date is about 60 days fromnow or less than 60 days from
(10:06):
now.
So if you're in the us, I meanwe don't have a a total social
media ban coming, but we mayhave a tiktok ban coming
literally for everybody.
So and it's the number onesocial media site in the us.
So that will seriously affectkids too oh yeah yeah it's.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
It's crazy how long this tiktok ban has been going
on.
For you guys, though, yeah,like I was, you know, I think a
lot of people were arming forthe apocalypse and ready for it
to be the end of tiktok twoyears ago, a year ago, I don't
know.
Now I feel like it was ages ago.
Yeah, so I guess I'm bringingup.
(10:47):
Moose here said when she was inhigh school 10 years ago, they
weren't allowed to have phoneson us whatsoever, even in the
event of emergency.
So yeah, did most studentsrespect that?
I guess it's a.
I guess, in a way, nowadayskids have a different level of
respect for authority yeah, yeah, I mean, I guess.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I mean I never had respect for authority, which is
part of the problem I hadgrowing up, but I I do too.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I guess what I'm trying to think more so is the
kids.
Either way, you know, there'san ass whooping attached to it
or something horrible is at theend of it as us growing up
compared to nowadays, is becausemy mom and I'm, you know.
I think I've talked about thisway too much over the past year.
But my mom says I'm entitled,so you can't tell me what to do.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, I grew up with nothing and still somehow had a
sense of entitlement?
I don't, I don't.
It doesn't make any sense.
You know, yeah.
So who's the saying that shehad to leave her phone in a
locker?
That's what my kids have to do,still.
You know, yeah, you can have iton you, but you have to put it
in your locker.
If they see you with it inschool, they will take it away.
(11:57):
But here's the weird thing theylet you have smart watches.
You can't do the same thing ina smart watch, but you can still
text, you can still make calls,you can still do a couple
things.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
So yeah well it's that's interesting, like I guess
that shows I don't know, in away it's the best way to put it.
I know with our kids and smartwatches, they can have smart
watches but they can't use anyof the phone features.
And I guess if the phones arein these little protective cases
that don't allow them toreceive signal etc, there's no
(12:30):
way the phone, there's no waythe, there's no way the watch is
actually getting those features.
I guess, unless you have a, acell cell watch, not a wi-fi
watch or something like thatright.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, like I got a smart watch, uh, last last year
and I got the lte, so it doesn'tI don't necessarily need the
phone with me.
Yeah, and now I know the kidshave my kids have.
Their phones are banned.
But I kind of want to get theman lte smart watch.
In cases anything goes wrong atschool and they can't run to
their locker to grab it.
They could make an emergencycall to me, you know, and I
(13:03):
could.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
I don't know what I could do but it's, it's funny, I
didn't even think about that.
In a way, I'm like why wouldyou?
What's going to go horriblywrong at school that you need
your?
You don't have mass shootings,and that's exactly what I
realized where we're going nowI'm like hold on, that's right,
I don't, I don't have to, wedon't worry about, that's not a.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
That's not a thing you have lockdown shooter drills
in schools.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
It's freaking insane our kids have lockdowns.
It's freaking insane.
Our kids have lockdowns here inschools and that like, but
that's only for I don't know.
Like there's a suspect in thearea with a knife or something
and, yeah, the police are on thelook, so the school will lock
down yeah that's it.
(13:49):
But all but all the schools haveto keep some money.
In Australia, a 10-foot highfear top fencing.
Really, they call it perimeterfencing.
It looks like, yeah, I don'tknow because you guys have
different building standards soI can't say pool fencing.
It's like a black aluminium,say, inch by inch square.
Yep, that's four inches apartand they go 10-foot high.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
And they run two, three rails across the middle so
you can't really climb up itthat's.
That's really hard to climb up,but you can't really get
through it.
So all the schools most schoolshave got that around the whole
thing nowadays.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Yeah, so active shooter drill.
So so in our chat someone wassaying that they had a shooter
drill at at their kid's school.
Didn't warn the parents first,so I get.
Parents were probably upsetabout that, but I'm fine with it
, because if you tell me that'sreality of a drill, I'll tell
the kid and they'll be ready.
You want them to kind of besurprised, you know, so you kind
(14:45):
of get a real reaction.
That's yeah that's what I wasthinking, kids but you, you,
they have to understand whatthat feels like so they can be
prepared for that emotion whenand that when it happens.
If it happens when, yeah it'slike.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
It's like a fire drill.
I guess there's no point if youknow any, any drill, it's like
a test, etc.
If you know it's going tohappen, then you're prepared.
Something like that youshouldn't be prepared for it,
should just be spontaneous.
Maybe two people in the schoolknow about it, a handful of
teachers know about it.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
That type of thing, practice it, cancel it
afterwards and good job, you didit right yeah, yeah, um, so
back to the original topic there, before we get any further down
this road.
So I'm wondering how kids aregoing to get around it.
Right, because, like my kid, myolder kid you know we have,
like we use google family linkbecause we have android phones
(15:36):
and a lot of things are lockeddown he has still found a way
around it, like youtube.
We said you can only useyoutube two hours a day because
he's sitting, sit there foreverjust doom scrolling youtube.
What he found out is if he goesand uses the chrome browser and
looks at youtube, that way hecan look as long as he wants,
because you, the family linkdoesn't allow you to set limits
(15:58):
on the browser.
Yeah, so you gotta run it thatway.
So I feel like the kids unlessthey put in some kind of age,
real age verification, thesesocial media sites, the kids are
just going to find ways aroundit well, I'm going to go for a
couple of comments around that.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
I've that I came across in the news.
So a mother over in perth youknow she's a mother of 15 and 20
year old she calls the band atoothless tiger, like a blunt
tool.
Ultimately it won't workbecause the kids will just find
another platform to move to,which I guess.
Yeah, new platforms are alwayspopping up, but if this law is
in place, that shouldn't forceany platforms to pop up over the
(16:36):
given time.
You know what I mean.
Unless, I guess, the onlyplatform I can think of that
probably isn't caught up in thesocial media band and it might
be is Discord.
Really, I'm going to look it up.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I mean for a long time Discord and for some people
Discord is my main chattingtool.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Yeah, discord is my main chatting tool to everyone.
If you want to talk to me,that's the way to talk to me.
So I'm just going through justto see what platforms are
actually caught up and see if Ican get the full list of
platforms.
77% of Australians, though, dosupport the band apparently
going off polls.
Elon musk did say that it'ssubmission to inquire about the
(17:19):
platforms.
It's not wide twitter is notwidely used by minors.
I don't know, I don't know thattwitter's I don't possibly,
possibly, I I don't know whatabout.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
What about youtube?
Because youtube it's not, it'snot traditional social media,
but it's still a time suck.
You can still go on commentsand and do shit.
Yeah, you know, there's there's, there's the, the messaging
message boards that every siteover like 500 users can have,
where you can go back and forthand stuff.
So it's not traditional, butit's still, you know okay, here
(17:55):
we go.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
The ban aims to address impact and excess social
media use of children'sphysical.
Anyway, the impact on excessivesocial media use for children's
physical and mental healthaffects social media platforms,
including twitter, facebook,instagram, tiktok, snapchat.
Including Twitter, facebook,instagram, tiktok, snapchat and
Reddit, but not YouTube.
(18:16):
So there you go.
Youtube's not affected intothis.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
And you know, I wonder what it is they're
looking for on a site toconsider it social media?
Because if it's video, if it'schatting, why not Twitch, why
not Kik, right Well, yeah, Iguess maybe the fact that video.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
It's hard to say You're putting a ban on a
company such as TikTok, but notYouTube, who offers shorts.
Right, right, yeah, but at thesame time, youtube does very
much focus on long-form content.
I don't, so maybe.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
If YouTube is exempt because of that, because they
have a site that does otherthings, tiktok will say all
right, well, we're going toredesign our site to be like
youtube and then we're going toskip, we're going to get out of
the band.
So I get the purpose of the lawI.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
I agree it's going to be hard to control it, hard to
regulate it and hard to hard toenforce it yeah, facebook has
has Australia to delay thelegislation passing, saying it
needs more time to assess thepotential impact of the ban see
Bright Dance said they need moretime as well.
Elon Musk blasted the ban lastweek as a backdoor way to
(19:31):
control the access of theinternet to all Australians.
So I'm sorry, I don't agreewith that.
It's not definitely not tryingto control access for kids to
use the internet.
You know, I mean every.
They've still got access to theinternet um, but yula musk, he
doesn't care about the welfareof kids, he just he's got like
(19:52):
21 of them he just wants I knowhe just wants to make money that
plans to enforce the age cardby trialing an age verification
system could include biometricsor government id.
So what we thought about up atthe start, which no other
country has tried, raisingprivacy concerns yeah, yeah,
that's true but you know,australia, we're doing this.
(20:16):
We are also the one that forcedonline returns for digital games
yeah but the world, the worldwould not be able to get refunds
yeah, for digital games if itwasn't for australia, where
australia said fuck off, that'snot fair, you can't do that.
So and we got that through.
Every you know but dare say,this will go through, they'll
(20:36):
work out a way for it and thenother countries will use it.
There there'll be peoplethat'll say no, but I guarantee
you, once it gets through, othercountries will move on.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
We'll move on it so you know I was talking about the
tiktok, upcoming tiktok ban inthe us.
That law actually gives thegovernment now, now that it's
passed, it gives the governmentthe right to add pretty much any
other site they want to thatlist, even though it's already
passed, like they left that openfor themselves.
(21:03):
So if they said, hey, we likewhat Australia is doing and we
want to go and add Facebook andother sites to our ban, they can
just do it.
They don't have to get itpassed again.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
So the platforms bear the sole responsibility of
enforcement.
They have one year to figure itout, like I said, and how to
implement the age limit, whichis the highest set by any
country.
If there are systematicfailures, if the platform fails
to keep children from having theaccounts, the platform is
liable of fines up to 50 millionaustralian 50 million.
(21:38):
Wow, so about 30 35 million us.
This bill was largely supportedby everyone in parliament that
it passed in the house ofrepresentatives, of
Representatives, with a vote of102 to 13.
Wow, so that was very easilyput in place.
(21:58):
Yeah, but I said we've got alot of days in our school system
already about social mediabullying for kids.
Like nearly every month there'ssomething there they're always
going on about social mediabanning and our kids not banning
, but kids on social mediabanning and our kids not banning
but kids on social media andbullying and stopping suicide at
a young age yeah this is justanother step to just be like nah
(22:22):
, we've had enough of this.
We've had enough of our childrengoing down this rabbit hole.
We've lost way too manychildren to digital online
bullying and and how they'retreated.
So yeah, this is, this is a wayto protect children, I guess
yep, um, I was just looking up.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
So there is a bill in our congress that I think that
they're looking to try to pass,called kids off social media act
, where they're looking for kids13 or under and they want
anyone under age 17 to socialmedia companies to change the
algorithms so they only get acertain kind of content.
(22:58):
So the US is trying to dosomething similar already, but
it doesn't sound like they'vehad the same success.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Here we go.
I'm just looking at, I'm tryingto find an exempt rule here for
the kids.
Those six are the only ones.
Roland said there are going tobe more, so it's not just them.
Now here we go again.
We don't have an exhaust, uh,an ex, a massive list, but the
(23:28):
government has flagged facebookmessenger kids, whatsapp, reach
out, peers kids, helpline, myCircle, google Classroom and
YouTube will be exempt.
So they're looking at the onesthat actually and I guess in a
way I think Facebook does havethat ability, not Facebook.
Youtube has that ability to havekids.
You know how you got YouTubekids.
(23:49):
Youtube kids can't have ads init.
Youtube kids can't have.
There's a lot of features inYouTube kids that they don't
have and I guess that's probablywhat they're looking at.
Same with the facebookmessenger kids.
I brought that up in the earlydays of our the early days of
our podcast.
Here is that what my kids allstarted with their social media
was facebook messenger kids.
So they're looking at apps thatactually do have a proper kids
(24:13):
platform attached to it that canprotect children.
As I said, in facebookmessenger kids they can't send
each other photos.
They can't send each other.
They can't send each otherphotos.
But there's a lot of thingsthey can't do and it's and it's
all up to agreeing on parents,the kids, etc.
It, it's easy way to the kidsto protect themselves and so
(24:34):
forth yeah, there's.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
There's an app I think I mentioned it a long time
ago called bark and it's it'smeant to you install it on your
kid's phone and what it does isit looks at, among other things
like blocking sites, but itlooks at emails they get and it
looks at text messages they getand it evaluates the context and
the content of those.
So, like, if it sees somethingthat sounds like bullying or
(24:59):
sounds inappropriate, it'll thenmessage the parent so that
technology they could perhapskeep these things available for
kids, but kind of take thattechnology and apply it to it.
If the account is like under 15, it's kind of evaluating all
the messages and when it seessomething, like you know,
problematic, then it shuts itdown, alerts the parents,
(25:20):
whatever, but it still gives thekids access to enjoy it.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Maybe that's the solution for these companies.
It's not.
How do we implement a solutionto no matter what.
They're going to have to put inan age verification system in
some degree.
But if they don't want to losethose viewers, those users on
the platform, then they need tolook at how do they create an
(25:48):
e-safety.
I guess, in a way, not justsafety, we'll call it e-safety.
Yeah, there's also here videogames and some messaging
services will also be exempt.
So all video games are exempt,obviously because you don't have
to have voice chat.
You can just not there's.
You don't need chat orcommunication in games.
If you want to play rightmultiplayer, you can turn all
(26:11):
that shit off.
That's a, that's a personal.
That's, I guess, protected onyour end.
I know, I know we talked aboutkids, how they should learn how
to ban, block and etc.
But people just create newaccounts etc, etc.
Those kids are gaming and theydon't want to hear people
bullying.
They can just turn offcommunication.
You can say I only want tocommunicate with my friends and
(26:31):
and no one can once you'veclicked that, I only want to
talk to my friends, no one caninterfere with that.
There's nothing they can do tocommunicate to you.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, I you know.
We both know how toxic videogame voice chat is Like even.
I like I play Call of Duty andI've had.
I've had every all the gamechat turned off for like six or
seven months now, cause I justjust I don't want to hear it
anymore.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
yeah, so very, so, very often you just turn it back
on here one word and go yeah,that's why turn it back off
again, exactly, exactly, I loveit.
When I was doing vr and hardenedto vr, a lot of people would
turn the voice and voice chatoff in vr because when the Quest
2 came out and went sowidespread and mainstream, it
(27:21):
introduced what they calledsqueakers.
So every other platform you'reused to hearing people being
abusive and angry and all that.
In VR it's the opposite.
There are people that do that,but the biggest problem is
squeakers, which are kids thatare like 10 years old, jumping
off these headsets and they'vegot that squeaky loud voice and
(27:42):
they just get into the voicechat and just start going off.
So that's why most people in VRdon't do voice chat is because
of squeakers.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Yeah.
Yeah, I've had some youngpeople in my chat from time to
time and I'm just like why areyou here, you're annoying, go
away.
So in my chat from time to time, and I'm just like why are you
here, you're, you're annoying,go away.
So anyway, I think we shouldwrap this one up.
Anything you want to say aboutit?
Any last words on it?
Speaker 3 (28:03):
no, I mean I'll chat back in.
You know, over time I guesswe'll probably check back in on
this and just see how it's going.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
I'll bring updates as as soon as they start coming
through from my end and what Isee with my own children and if
we, if I hear anything moreabout what's going on with the
tiktok band, we'll definitelymake another episode of that.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
So yeah, just, I guess the only thing I can say
is be ready, world, because nowwe've done this it's banter,
it's bad.
I can see it rolling out inother countries.
You know uk, europe, us, that,canada.
It's only a matter of time thatother countries will be like
stuff it.
It's give it two years.
It's right for australia, we'lldo it here yeah, yeah, thanks,
(28:45):
australia thanks you're welcomeyou've been listening to dad
mode.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
our passion is navigating this wild journey of
parenthood and modern life, frombalancing family time to
managing your career and stillsqueezing in some gaming and
content creation.
And no matter what the womensay, they will never be able to
pry the controller out of ourcold dead hands.
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