April 1, 2025 • 24 mins
Josh aka Bearded_Nova
I'm from Australia and am what you would call a father who games. I have 5 kids so not as much time to game as I used to. But I still game and stream when I can. So come join me on Twitch in chat as we chill out.
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Josh aka Moorph
I'm a US-based husband and father of two boys. I work full-time and have been a content creator since 2000. I'm a YouTube partner, Twitch and LiveSpace streamer who founded a content creation coaching company called Elev8d Media Group (elev8d.media). I'm a blogger, streamer, podcaster, and video-er(?).
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Turning off normal human male mode.
Switching to dad mode.
Welcome in to dad mode Withyour hosts Bearded, Nova and
Morph.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
So we had an episode a little while ago where we
talked about the potentialTikTok ban.
Was it going to happen?
Was it not?
It happened.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
But briefly talking about the potential tiktok ban
wasn't gonna happen, but was itnot?
It happened.
But briefly, yeah, I I call itthe the jesus moment for tiktok,
where it was killed and thenresurrected the next day, like,
and it's funny because, like Ilike to me, I find it funny
because the whole point of thetiktok ban was around china
stealing information fromeveryday american citizens like
(00:51):
they really give a shit.
And then the alternative thateveryone tend to migrate to was
another chinese app.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah, red, no like yeah just it was.
It's.
It's hilarious.
I mean you're absolutely right,like the worrying about people
making stupid dancing videos andwhat is china going to do with
with that information?
But the the ban was was funny.
Leading up to it, like I wasall over tiktok the day or two
before every creator I they knowwas like leaving goodbye
(01:26):
messages and posting, um, yeah,all their drafts and follow me
here, follow me there, and atmidnight it'll be gone.
But it was gone at like 11.
It was gone like an hour and ahalf early yeah, okay okay.
And then I went and I'm like,well, I guess that's it, I guess
it's done.
So I I started using red note.
I deleted the tiktok app yep,because I'm like it's guess
that's it, I guess it's done.
So I I started using red note.
I deleted the tiktok app yep,because I'm like it's okay on oh
(01:48):
, when it came, when it cameback, I can't re-download it
because it's still blocked onthe app store that's, that's
what I was about to say.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Apparently, they blocked the app.
Both apple and google removedit from the app store for these
regions.
Yeah, yep, so, but, but, butyou're on android.
So the beautiful thing aboutandroid is you could just
download the apk off theinternet and install it, right I
can, I, I get.
I'm wary of that okay,sometimes understandable, but
you know in it.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I'm looking at it as you know what.
I don't mind a break fromtiktok.
Yeah, I don't.
I don't mind it.
Do I miss it a little bit?
Sure, but I'm not waking upevery morning grabbing my phone
and seeing what's on tiktok well, that makes it okay, that's it.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
That just makes it even more interesting for me,
since the band right andeveryone coming back, a lot of
your videos in particular, aregetting repushed.
My videos, yeah, you've beenpopping up on my feed a lot,
some of your older content andstuff.
Like that.
I'm like hold on.
At first I'm like, is this newstuff you come back with?
Like a tiktok band, like yes,energy, I'm into tiktok then.
(02:52):
Then I realized no, it's someof your older videos.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
But yeah, there, it's like they deleted all your
content and then they'rerepublishing everyone's content
again yeah with the servicecoming down and back up yep,
that's interesting because Iobviously I literally haven't
logged on since, since the ban,because I can't get back in.
Yeah, when I try to look at iton the web, it keeps forcing me
to try to download the app,which I can't, and then, okay,
(03:17):
the experience is not the same,like it keeps crashing and and
whatnot the other hilariousthing that came out of this
tiktok band my wife brought itup to me was the, the farewell
trend, I guess.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Did you hear about this trend?
Yeah, where goodbye.
So long blah, blah but but no,no, no, the coming up with their
confessions, influencers comingup with their confessions.
And to meencers coming up withtheir confessions and to me, to
one.
There was a lot of peoplecrying about how their
livelihood's gone.
Blah, blah, blah.
There's never going to beanything.
The US government wrecked theirlife.
(03:53):
Fucking.
Do not commit to one app.
I don't know.
We've talked about this agesago.
We've talked about this waybefore.
We even did this stuff.
Never commit to one app.
Like, you should be publishingyour tiktoks up on youtube
shorts and in facebook,instagram, keeping your content
in multiple directions, becauseyou shouldn't invest all your
eggs into one basket.
Obviously, yeah, but a lot ofthese influencers the ones that
(04:18):
had been making money or hadbeen a larger following on
tiktok decided to start using aFamily Guy clip to come up with
their confessions.
A lot around their content andhow their content was full of
shit.
A lot of people were feeling Ihaven't seen the one.
One of the ones my wife broughtup was a lady who's been
showing about lots of exercisesto work on getting the perfect
(04:42):
ass, because she has this assand all these people have been
following along with herexercises.
Yeah, turned out, none of herexercises did anything.
She actually got butt implantsbefore the account, really, but
everyone was following her,thinking that they're going to
get an ass like her fromfollowing her exercises.
Another one, another influencerwas around making special ice
cubes like really fancy icecubes with bits and pieces in it
(05:05):
, blah, blah, blah.
Yeah, turned out she neveractually used any in her drinks.
She never would Really, justsome like yeah, confessions of
you know, I didn't actually loseweight from this exercise.
I've been using, I've hadsurgery for this or I've been
using a Zempec A lot of thingsthat people were following
thinking it was real.
Turns out at the last minutethese influencers have just, you
(05:28):
know, popped the balloon andgone.
Hey, yeah, no, it's all fake.
Yeah, how do you come back fromthat?
like now you know your tiktokwas gone for what 12 hours and
you're back like how do youaddress this to your?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
to you.
It was one of the creator Ifollowed and he never showed his
face.
And he goes.
I got something to you know toadmit, and he showed, did a face
reveal.
Okay, you know, with that fun,and then it's back outside.
Obviously I can't go back rightnow and see what, what happened
with that, but it's prettyfunny yeah you know, how do you,
how do you come back from this?
Speaker 3 (05:59):
you know, I'm gonna go over one right here now
monroe.
She was maddie monroe.
She was famous for attempting atiktok challenge where she
accidentally set her hair onfire.
Oh shit, yep, she was fine, butthe video certainly got tons of
views, heaps of attention, youknow, created this massive thing
.
Her confession was that she lither fire on her hair on fire on
purpose, on purpose.
(06:20):
Yeah, you know all these peoplethought it was, you know,
accident.
You know being fooled for five,six years following these
curators, where all of a suddenthat is coming out and I feel
like it's.
It shows a bit of the truth ofthe internet, what it's really
like.
You know what I mean.
It's not always what you see.
The influencer lives.
People may think that they'reearning so much money and
(06:43):
they're doing this and doingthat.
Do not believe it.
It's all face value.
You know what?
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I mean, it is Even the influencers that were making
money, I imagine I don'tbelieve they were making a real
living off of it.
It probably just supplementedtheir regular income, or maybe
they were a stay-at-home parentor something, and so it gave
them a little extra cash.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
I don't know, but I think some were.
But then there's, you know, Ithink we've talked about it and
we've seen it in the past wherecreators have gone full-time on
on twitch or they're goingfull-time streaming, but their
income for full-time streamingis relatively low.
They need they, you know theneeds of that income is
relatively low.
They don't actually need to bemaking that much.
(07:26):
So as much as they can say I'mgoing full, you know, I've gone
full time on twitch, right, it'snot costing them that much to
do it right, they're, they'rethey.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Maybe they have a partner who's actually paying
all the bills and has beenpaying the bill.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yeah, I'm living in my parents basement and I don't
plan on ever leaving home typeeffect.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah, yeah now if my kid said that I'd get on in
their chat like, yeah, you are,you're leaving home, but I'm
gonna happen yeah, where do youthink this uncertainty with
TikTok's going Like?
Speaker 3 (07:59):
I know it's back, but it's not safe 100%.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
It's not, and it's interesting.
So the new US president was theperson who first touted the
idea of getting rid of it,because he didn't like that
people were basically organizingon there and causing mayhem for
him, yeah.
But now that he's elected he'slike like it's not that big of a
deal.
You know what kind of?
(08:25):
In fact he said the other daywhat kind of data they're really
getting from people.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
I mean, that's what that's what I've been saying
since the start.
What are they really?
Are they really that interestedin you that there's not?
There's not that muchinteresting data that you can
get from someone off tiktok.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Let's be honest there isn't, like you most likely
won't get someone's real nameunless they put it out there on
purpose and then they know it'sout there.
You're probably not going tofigure out where people live.
You can lose geolocationpotentially, but I don't think
they make it that big of a deal,like I'd never give my actual
location, but I've given enoughhints.
You can probably just figure itout.
It's not like I'm really hidinganything, but it's like what
(09:01):
are you really going to?
Speaker 3 (09:01):
get?
Do you really think thatcorporate businesses are going
to be creating conversationsbusinesses, you know,
conversations in privateinformation that they don't want
out in public?
Are they really going to beusing tiktok as a platform to
shoot those dms to each other?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
no, no, no, there's no chance.
In fact, like most companies,you'd get in trouble if you try
to do that exactly, there's this.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
There's nothing in harm's way that tiktok could
really do that hasn't alreadybeen done by facebook, instagram
, twitter.
You know, youtube, youtubeguarantee.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Google's got way more you on you than china will ever
have on you absolutely, because, like like anyone else, I you
pick an ecosystem right and Ipicked google, so they know
everything they know.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
They know me better than I know myself.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I feel at times I think you're right, I think, but
so it's uncertain what's goingto happen with a ban?
Tiktok has has reopened theirservers.
App stores are still shut down.
The law is still the law.
It hasn't been hasn't beenchanged and even if the there's
an executive order from thepresident, that doesn't really
(10:09):
mean anything, because you can'tuse an executive order to
change a law.
So they're either have torepeal the law or they have to
find another buyer, or it'sgoing to get shut down again,
like this.
I don't know that this is apermanent unlock for it.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
I guess the hardest part, and an interesting point I
think it was the president thatmentioned it.
You know, by tiktok to be owned, 50 by a us company, by us, the
china yeah, china and twopercent.
You know as much as you go intohow much china actually has of
tiktok and then us is.
(10:46):
But how do you evaluate thisbusiness?
Because with the us it's worthso much, without the us it's
worth a different value.
Yeah, who's, who's, who'srealistically willing to front
that money right?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
right it's, and I for a while I wonder why was tiktok
even worried about it?
Like it's okay, we dropped theus, but I think the us was
supplying a lot of income to theapp.
You know, I think there was alot of purchases from the us, so
that'sa big hit, and so to themis.
Is it worth starting to splitthings 50 with the us?
(11:18):
Like what do they get?
Do they get 50 of the revenue?
Do they get to own half theservers?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
half the data just insight.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Insight into, yeah, into the data, like what do you
really get for a 50 ownership?
Yeah, like that's what it iswhich tiktok said they would
never sell because it's alwaysbeen about whatever it's.
The algorithm that makes them,makes it what it is, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Special algorithm, you know it's the it's the K,
it's the KFC of the social media, which it's 11,000 sponsors.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
It is.
It is Exactly so.
When it got banned, wementioned before, a lot of
people were going to red note,which mentioned before, a lot of
people were going to red note,which trended and had like 30
million downloads or somethinglike that in like a short period
of time, yeah.
And then the us was like, well,we're gonna ban that now too,
but but almost nobody was reallygoing over to more.
Back to facebook and instagram,and in fact, it was a big trend
(12:12):
to delete facebook andinstagram and twitter off your
phones, which I also did, yes,and I don't miss them either.
I really don't miss them either.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
One of the other ones was I had the red one and then
there was Lemon something.
There was another one Lemonade.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Which is owned.
It's owned by ByteDance, ownedby TikTok.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
It blew my mind.
I just could not understand.
Hold on.
The whole point about China isguys, why are we going to move
to another Chinese app?
Point about china is.
Guys, why are we going to moveto another chinese app it's
going to face if this ban wentthrough 100, that app would be
the next target.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (12:45):
it just moves straight to the next target,
that's yep, I think that the us,if they really want, they could
remove tiktok from the list ofcomp apps or whatever companies
that this, at this law is, isoverseeing.
However, for anyone that'slistening understand, the law
that was passed wasn'tspecifically about tiktok.
(13:05):
It was about it basically saidany app that is not owned and
run in the us can be banned.
Yes, so while they may removetiktok from this, just remember
any single application you useon your phone or wherever, if
it's not run by us company outof the us, it could be banned at
any time, because that's whatthis law does yeah, yeah, I mean
(13:28):
, look at that.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Look at it's.
In a way it's slightlydifferent, but we've got the
social media ban for minorsunder 16.
It's in a way that, you know,none of the social media
platforms are actually owned byan australian company in any way
.
But we've turned around andsaid, well, you are going to do
something for us.
This is what you're going to do.
Yeah, you know, the governmentcan.
The government can do what thegovernment wishes.
(13:49):
You just live inside it, youjust put up with it.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Really, I would say, yeah, that's.
That's pretty much it.
I'm curious to see what theshort-term or medium-term
fallout's going to be from this,if there's others that have
kind of enjoyed their break fromsocial media like I have, or if
people are just going to getright back into what they were
doing, or if they're going to besmart and start to divest where
their content is now instead ofkeeping it one place, like Nova
(14:14):
was mentioning.
I hope there's a lot to belearned.
I think I question if anyone'sactually gonna heed any of those
lessons or if they're justgonna fall right back to the
same traps they were in I I say,fall back into the same traps
they're in.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
I dare say most of the people, like we're talking
at the start of this episode,will be doing massive apologies,
trying to to call back.
I mean, how do you come back,especially if you did have any
sponsorship to a degree orpeople were paying you to
advertise?
I think you've lost thosepeople.
I really do think you've lostendorsements, sponsorships,
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moving forward.
You have to find a whole newavenue, but I don't see them
going to another platform.
They either shut up and theyjust don't come back at all and
just you know, oh crap, I don'twant to ever face the public
over this.
You know, hot, two girl wayswhere she's just disappeared
into the neither.
Thank god, thank god for nowshe'll be back and or they, yeah
(15:10):
, diverse, which is probablysomething they're not going to
have, especially if you, ifyou've got a creator that's
that's divulging and coming outwith all this information
spilling the beans.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
As such, you're not smart enough to to diverse your
content, obviously yeah, yep,when I was really into content
creation and I had a pretty goodsize tiktok following and
whatnot, I was on all the appsbut tiktok was by far the one
that drove stuff to my otherplatforms like not even close.
When I was doing sponsorships,people would sponsor me to do
(15:44):
promos for them on tiktok.
They didn't even want to touchthe other platforms I was on,
just because they're not.
They weren't what you know theywere looking for.
So I I think if people who mayhave lost the sponsorships, you
may have a hard time getting itback because a company's gonna
be like well, do I really wantto invest a lot more money in
this when I'm not sure what'sgoing to happen with it?
You know what I mean, I thinkeverything's kind of messy.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
You mean similar to Adpocalypse.
Remember Adpocalypse Of YouTubeera where lots of people were
pulling their ads from YouTubesaying, well, we don't want our
ads to be affiliated with thesepeople, yeah, and Twitter too,
having.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Twitter yeah, affiliated with these people
yeah they just and twitter too.
Having twitter, the companiesare like nah, we're good, we
don't, we don't want toadvertise in your stupid
platform, but that's you knowit's, it's.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
I guess all social media platforms go through this
period, though I can't think ofa social media platform that
hasn't had a hiatus from theadvertisement, because really
advertisement is what pays theseplatforms to survive most of
the time it's you know that's.
That's where the money is.
Every social media platformgoes through an adpocalypse to a
(16:54):
degree.
Yep, it's full out andpersonally it's back.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Personally, I believe that tiktok, while it's sort of
back, I actually think it'sgoing to go away again.
I think that there's going tobe a lot of lobbying from Google
, from YouTube, other folks, toreally push, keep the ban in
place.
Because even if people are notgoing back to those apps the way
(17:21):
they were before, still havingless competition from TikTok
makes their lives a lot easier.
Apps the way they were before,still having less competition
from tiktok, makes their lives alot easier, makes the ads they
put out there more expensive tothe companies that are
purchasing them.
So I don't think tiktok's gonnabe back for long do you think
that's the case?
Speaker 3 (17:36):
because I thought, with trump being coming
president, that all the socialmedia platforms, including
tiktok, were there for hisinauguration and all that
weren't, they, weren't they alltogether in a sense.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah, if anyone can tell, by my deep size, how I
feel about the state of politicsand the new president.
It's not hard to figure out.
But you're right, everyone'slike kissing up right now.
I just, I just can't see itlasting.
Okay.
Okay, you know what?
Maybe I'm hoping it doesn'tlast, you know?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Okay Well, all right, we'll have to just wait and see
then for you if that's actuallygoing to be the case.
You're hoping that it's demise.
I mean I hope it stays.
I think it has been a goodplatform overall.
It doesn't feel like all thesocial media platforms are based
in one country either.
I think that's another nicething to think about, that it's
not majority controlled.
(18:32):
It is still is majority control, but there's a there's an
opportunity for other peopleoutside to to create yeah, yep,
absolutely.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
I know we touched on the social media ban, the
blanket social media ban thatAustralia put in place.
Yeah, so it's been a few weeksnow, or a few months, whatever.
Yeah, nothing's changed.
How's it going?
Nothing's changed.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Nothing's changed.
But the whole point was thatthere's 12 months to implement.
We're in that 12th period sorealistically, we're not going
to see something about what'shappening here, where we're
going with here.
Nothing is going to be untilthis time next year.
Realistically, 2020, start of2026 is where we'll see.
Maybe towards the later half ofthis year we might start seeing
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that progression change andpeople dropping off.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
But as of right now I'm curious how they're going to
implement off, but as of rightnow, I'm curious how they're
going to implement.
I mean, I was working at a jobwhen a law came out in
california that requiredeveryone that had information on
their, on the people of thestate, they could call and
request everything you had.
Yes, and there was a similar 12month time frame implement and
(19:40):
the company was with.
It took nine to 12 months forus to figure out how to make
this work and implement it, andI'm thinking all these companies
are trying to do the same thing.
How do we actually do ageverification Right now?
We say you must be 13 orwhatever in the terms and
(20:01):
agreements, but we don't enforceshit.
So I'm curious, from atechnical standpoint, how
they're going to do it.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
I think it'd be similar to.
My friend was telling methey're back into the dating
game and all the dating apps andstuff and a part of the dating
apps you can verify your face,which uses your phone camera, so
you upload the photos of whatyou want, blah, blah, blah, and
then it's using your phone'scamera to verify that your face
matches the face in the photos.
(20:29):
I would say that's probablygoing to be something along the
lines of using faceidentification where you're
going to have to Every time youlog in?
I wouldn't say log in, I thinksetting up the account.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
That's BS.
You know that that is bad.
Bad.
You get an older friend to doit and then they go away yeah,
yeah, there's always going to bea workaround like that's.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
That's, that's the reality of it.
There is a workaround, and whenwe talked about the social
media ban in australia, I thinkI brought up that the the
government was more so, sayingthere's lots of parents out
there that have, and I think itis worldwide.
It's not any.
You know.
Australia's not the onlyexception.
There's a lot of the parentsout there that feel like they
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have to allow their children tobe on social media because other
parents have said so.
You know what I mean?
It's that peer pressure asadults or as parents, to do
something that you don't feelcomfortable with, just to keep
your child in the loop, orwhatever way.
The australia government wasbasically trying to say, hey,
we'll be the bad guy and back upanyone here, so you can't feel
(21:34):
bad as a parent, whether or it'snow us be the one saying, yeah,
exactly I.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
It's funny you mentioned the parental peer
pressure.
My wife and I don't ever fallinto that trap like we'll hear
things you know from my kids,like but you know someone's
friend's mom and dad, let themdo it, and I and I always say
the same thing.
I'm like well, I'm sorry thattheir parents don't love them
enough, but you're not gettingit yeah, I would probably say
the opposite way.
(22:00):
I'm sorry, I don't love youenough to actually do that,
because really, that's how yourchildren are feeling at the time
but it is, you're evil, you'rethe devil, all that stuff.
But you know tiktok's banned ornot.
Who knows if it's gonna stickaround.
But it'll be interesting to see.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
It'll be interesting to see what happens yeah, I mean
I will say I kind of hope itdoesn't because, like, even
though I haven't done any any,anything at any time, because
you know quite some time, theappeal of especially like
getting games because I stillget games offered to me and I
have accepted games that Ihaven't done anything with their
(22:41):
appeal is actually my tiktokaccount.
Now it's not my twitch anymore,where it was like can you
stream games it's actually theappeal of can you make content
with our games on tiktok?
so I kind of, kind of don't wantanything to go because I kind
of I think I think in reality of80 of my followers, the us.
So, yeah, there is a yeah.
That was always, always mybiggest gripe when it came to
(23:04):
streaming and tiktok, where myfollowers was oh, I had put my
viewership in a total differenttime zone to me.
That was hard for me to do livestreaming with the numbers
where most of my followers wereeither asleep or just getting up
to go to work, when I would golive yeah, I remember when I was
(23:24):
, you know, I had the mentorprogram going.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
I had a number of people who were not in the us
base.
They're all asking how do I getto be part of the us?
You know demographics, how do Iget my videos and whatever
shown there?
And now I guess you don'ttechnically have to worry about
it too much yeah, you've beenlistening to Dad Mode.
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Welcome in to dad mode Withyour hosts Bearded, Nova and
Morph.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
So we had an episode a little while ago where we
talked about the potentialTikTok ban.
Was it going to happen?
Was it not?
It happened.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
But briefly talking about the potential tiktok ban
wasn't gonna happen, but was itnot?
It happened.
But briefly, yeah, I I call itthe the jesus moment for tiktok,
where it was killed and thenresurrected the next day, like,
and it's funny because, like Ilike to me, I find it funny
because the whole point of thetiktok ban was around china
stealing information fromeveryday american citizens like
(00:51):
they really give a shit.
And then the alternative thateveryone tend to migrate to was
another chinese app.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah, red, no like yeah just it was.
It's.
It's hilarious.
I mean you're absolutely right,like the worrying about people
making stupid dancing videos andwhat is china going to do with
with that information?
But the the ban was was funny.
Leading up to it, like I wasall over tiktok the day or two
before every creator I they knowwas like leaving goodbye
(01:26):
messages and posting, um, yeah,all their drafts and follow me
here, follow me there, and atmidnight it'll be gone.
But it was gone at like 11.
It was gone like an hour and ahalf early yeah, okay okay.
And then I went and I'm like,well, I guess that's it, I guess
it's done.
So I I started using red note.
I deleted the tiktok app yep,because I'm like it's guess
that's it, I guess it's done.
So I I started using red note.
I deleted the tiktok app yep,because I'm like it's okay on oh
(01:48):
, when it came, when it cameback, I can't re-download it
because it's still blocked onthe app store that's, that's
what I was about to say.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Apparently, they blocked the app.
Both apple and google removedit from the app store for these
regions.
Yeah, yep, so, but, but, butyou're on android.
So the beautiful thing aboutandroid is you could just
download the apk off theinternet and install it, right I
can, I, I get.
I'm wary of that okay,sometimes understandable, but
you know in it.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I'm looking at it as you know what.
I don't mind a break fromtiktok.
Yeah, I don't.
I don't mind it.
Do I miss it a little bit?
Sure, but I'm not waking upevery morning grabbing my phone
and seeing what's on tiktok well, that makes it okay, that's it.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
That just makes it even more interesting for me,
since the band right andeveryone coming back, a lot of
your videos in particular, aregetting repushed.
My videos, yeah, you've beenpopping up on my feed a lot,
some of your older content andstuff.
Like that.
I'm like hold on.
At first I'm like, is this newstuff you come back with?
Like a tiktok band, like yes,energy, I'm into tiktok then.
(02:52):
Then I realized no, it's someof your older videos.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
But yeah, there, it's like they deleted all your
content and then they'rerepublishing everyone's content
again yeah with the servicecoming down and back up yep,
that's interesting because Iobviously I literally haven't
logged on since, since the ban,because I can't get back in.
Yeah, when I try to look at iton the web, it keeps forcing me
to try to download the app,which I can't, and then, okay,
(03:17):
the experience is not the same,like it keeps crashing and and
whatnot the other hilariousthing that came out of this
tiktok band my wife brought itup to me was the, the farewell
trend, I guess.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Did you hear about this trend?
Yeah, where goodbye.
So long blah, blah but but no,no, no, the coming up with their
confessions, influencers comingup with their confessions.
And to meencers coming up withtheir confessions and to me, to
one.
There was a lot of peoplecrying about how their
livelihood's gone.
Blah, blah, blah.
There's never going to beanything.
The US government wrecked theirlife.
(03:53):
Fucking.
Do not commit to one app.
I don't know.
We've talked about this agesago.
We've talked about this waybefore.
We even did this stuff.
Never commit to one app.
Like, you should be publishingyour tiktoks up on youtube
shorts and in facebook,instagram, keeping your content
in multiple directions, becauseyou shouldn't invest all your
eggs into one basket.
Obviously, yeah, but a lot ofthese influencers the ones that
(04:18):
had been making money or hadbeen a larger following on
tiktok decided to start using aFamily Guy clip to come up with
their confessions.
A lot around their content andhow their content was full of
shit.
A lot of people were feeling Ihaven't seen the one.
One of the ones my wife broughtup was a lady who's been
showing about lots of exercisesto work on getting the perfect
(04:42):
ass, because she has this assand all these people have been
following along with herexercises.
Yeah, turned out, none of herexercises did anything.
She actually got butt implantsbefore the account, really, but
everyone was following her,thinking that they're going to
get an ass like her fromfollowing her exercises.
Another one, another influencerwas around making special ice
cubes like really fancy icecubes with bits and pieces in it
(05:05):
, blah, blah, blah.
Yeah, turned out she neveractually used any in her drinks.
She never would Really, justsome like yeah, confessions of
you know, I didn't actually loseweight from this exercise.
I've been using, I've hadsurgery for this or I've been
using a Zempec A lot of thingsthat people were following
thinking it was real.
Turns out at the last minutethese influencers have just, you
(05:28):
know, popped the balloon andgone.
Hey, yeah, no, it's all fake.
Yeah, how do you come back fromthat?
like now you know your tiktokwas gone for what 12 hours and
you're back like how do youaddress this to your?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
to you.
It was one of the creator Ifollowed and he never showed his
face.
And he goes.
I got something to you know toadmit, and he showed, did a face
reveal.
Okay, you know, with that fun,and then it's back outside.
Obviously I can't go back rightnow and see what, what happened
with that, but it's prettyfunny yeah you know, how do you,
how do you come back from this?
Speaker 3 (05:59):
you know, I'm gonna go over one right here now
monroe.
She was maddie monroe.
She was famous for attempting atiktok challenge where she
accidentally set her hair onfire.
Oh shit, yep, she was fine, butthe video certainly got tons of
views, heaps of attention, youknow, created this massive thing
.
Her confession was that she lither fire on her hair on fire on
purpose, on purpose.
(06:20):
Yeah, you know all these peoplethought it was, you know,
accident.
You know being fooled for five,six years following these
curators, where all of a suddenthat is coming out and I feel
like it's.
It shows a bit of the truth ofthe internet, what it's really
like.
You know what I mean.
It's not always what you see.
The influencer lives.
People may think that they'reearning so much money and
(06:43):
they're doing this and doingthat.
Do not believe it.
It's all face value.
You know what?
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I mean, it is Even the influencers that were making
money, I imagine I don'tbelieve they were making a real
living off of it.
It probably just supplementedtheir regular income, or maybe
they were a stay-at-home parentor something, and so it gave
them a little extra cash.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
I don't know, but I think some were.
But then there's, you know, Ithink we've talked about it and
we've seen it in the past wherecreators have gone full-time on
on twitch or they're goingfull-time streaming, but their
income for full-time streamingis relatively low.
They need they, you know theneeds of that income is
relatively low.
They don't actually need to bemaking that much.
(07:26):
So as much as they can say I'mgoing full, you know, I've gone
full time on twitch, right, it'snot costing them that much to
do it right, they're, they'rethey.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Maybe they have a partner who's actually paying
all the bills and has beenpaying the bill.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yeah, I'm living in my parents basement and I don't
plan on ever leaving home typeeffect.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah, yeah now if my kid said that I'd get on in
their chat like, yeah, you are,you're leaving home, but I'm
gonna happen yeah, where do youthink this uncertainty with
TikTok's going Like?
Speaker 3 (07:59):
I know it's back, but it's not safe 100%.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
It's not, and it's interesting.
So the new US president was theperson who first touted the
idea of getting rid of it,because he didn't like that
people were basically organizingon there and causing mayhem for
him, yeah.
But now that he's elected he'slike like it's not that big of a
deal.
You know what kind of?
(08:25):
In fact he said the other daywhat kind of data they're really
getting from people.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
I mean, that's what that's what I've been saying
since the start.
What are they really?
Are they really that interestedin you that there's not?
There's not that muchinteresting data that you can
get from someone off tiktok.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Let's be honest there isn't, like you most likely
won't get someone's real nameunless they put it out there on
purpose and then they know it'sout there.
You're probably not going tofigure out where people live.
You can lose geolocationpotentially, but I don't think
they make it that big of a deal,like I'd never give my actual
location, but I've given enoughhints.
You can probably just figure itout.
It's not like I'm really hidinganything, but it's like what
(09:01):
are you really going to?
Speaker 3 (09:01):
get?
Do you really think thatcorporate businesses are going
to be creating conversationsbusinesses, you know,
conversations in privateinformation that they don't want
out in public?
Are they really going to beusing tiktok as a platform to
shoot those dms to each other?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
no, no, no, there's no chance.
In fact, like most companies,you'd get in trouble if you try
to do that exactly, there's this.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
There's nothing in harm's way that tiktok could
really do that hasn't alreadybeen done by facebook, instagram
, twitter.
You know, youtube, youtubeguarantee.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Google's got way more you on you than china will ever
have on you absolutely, because, like like anyone else, I you
pick an ecosystem right and Ipicked google, so they know
everything they know.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
They know me better than I know myself.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I feel at times I think you're right, I think, but
so it's uncertain what's goingto happen with a ban?
Tiktok has has reopened theirservers.
App stores are still shut down.
The law is still the law.
It hasn't been hasn't beenchanged and even if the there's
an executive order from thepresident, that doesn't really
(10:09):
mean anything, because you can'tuse an executive order to
change a law.
So they're either have torepeal the law or they have to
find another buyer, or it'sgoing to get shut down again,
like this.
I don't know that this is apermanent unlock for it.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
I guess the hardest part, and an interesting point I
think it was the president thatmentioned it.
You know, by tiktok to be owned, 50 by a us company, by us, the
china yeah, china and twopercent.
You know as much as you go intohow much china actually has of
tiktok and then us is.
(10:46):
But how do you evaluate thisbusiness?
Because with the us it's worthso much, without the us it's
worth a different value.
Yeah, who's, who's, who'srealistically willing to front
that money right?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
right it's, and I for a while I wonder why was tiktok
even worried about it?
Like it's okay, we dropped theus, but I think the us was
supplying a lot of income to theapp.
You know, I think there was alot of purchases from the us, so
that'sa big hit, and so to themis.
Is it worth starting to splitthings 50 with the us?
(11:18):
Like what do they get?
Do they get 50 of the revenue?
Do they get to own half theservers?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
half the data just insight.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Insight into, yeah, into the data, like what do you
really get for a 50 ownership?
Yeah, like that's what it iswhich tiktok said they would
never sell because it's alwaysbeen about whatever it's.
The algorithm that makes them,makes it what it is, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Special algorithm, you know it's the it's the K,
it's the KFC of the social media, which it's 11,000 sponsors.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
It is.
It is Exactly so.
When it got banned, wementioned before, a lot of
people were going to red note,which mentioned before, a lot of
people were going to red note,which trended and had like 30
million downloads or somethinglike that in like a short period
of time, yeah.
And then the us was like, well,we're gonna ban that now too,
but but almost nobody was reallygoing over to more.
Back to facebook and instagram,and in fact, it was a big trend
(12:12):
to delete facebook andinstagram and twitter off your
phones, which I also did, yes,and I don't miss them either.
I really don't miss them either.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
One of the other ones was I had the red one and then
there was Lemon something.
There was another one Lemonade.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Which is owned.
It's owned by ByteDance, ownedby TikTok.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
It blew my mind.
I just could not understand.
Hold on.
The whole point about China isguys, why are we going to move
to another Chinese app?
Point about china is.
Guys, why are we going to moveto another chinese app it's
going to face if this ban wentthrough 100, that app would be
the next target.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (12:45):
it just moves straight to the next target,
that's yep, I think that the us,if they really want, they could
remove tiktok from the list ofcomp apps or whatever companies
that this, at this law is, isoverseeing.
However, for anyone that'slistening understand, the law
that was passed wasn'tspecifically about tiktok.
(13:05):
It was about it basically saidany app that is not owned and
run in the us can be banned.
Yes, so while they may removetiktok from this, just remember
any single application you useon your phone or wherever, if
it's not run by us company outof the us, it could be banned at
any time, because that's whatthis law does yeah, yeah, I mean
(13:28):
, look at that.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Look at it's.
In a way it's slightlydifferent, but we've got the
social media ban for minorsunder 16.
It's in a way that, you know,none of the social media
platforms are actually owned byan australian company in any way
.
But we've turned around andsaid, well, you are going to do
something for us.
This is what you're going to do.
Yeah, you know, the governmentcan.
The government can do what thegovernment wishes.
(13:49):
You just live inside it, youjust put up with it.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Really, I would say, yeah, that's.
That's pretty much it.
I'm curious to see what theshort-term or medium-term
fallout's going to be from this,if there's others that have
kind of enjoyed their break fromsocial media like I have, or if
people are just going to getright back into what they were
doing, or if they're going to besmart and start to divest where
their content is now instead ofkeeping it one place, like Nova
(14:14):
was mentioning.
I hope there's a lot to belearned.
I think I question if anyone'sactually gonna heed any of those
lessons or if they're justgonna fall right back to the
same traps they were in I I say,fall back into the same traps
they're in.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
I dare say most of the people, like we're talking
at the start of this episode,will be doing massive apologies,
trying to to call back.
I mean, how do you come back,especially if you did have any
sponsorship to a degree orpeople were paying you to
advertise?
I think you've lost thosepeople.
I really do think you've lostendorsements, sponsorships,
(14:48):
moving forward.
You have to find a whole newavenue, but I don't see them
going to another platform.
They either shut up and theyjust don't come back at all and
just you know, oh crap, I don'twant to ever face the public
over this.
You know, hot, two girl wayswhere she's just disappeared
into the neither.
Thank god, thank god for nowshe'll be back and or they, yeah
(15:10):
, diverse, which is probablysomething they're not going to
have, especially if you, ifyou've got a creator that's
that's divulging and coming outwith all this information
spilling the beans.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
As such, you're not smart enough to to diverse your
content, obviously yeah, yep,when I was really into content
creation and I had a pretty goodsize tiktok following and
whatnot, I was on all the appsbut tiktok was by far the one
that drove stuff to my otherplatforms like not even close.
When I was doing sponsorships,people would sponsor me to do
(15:44):
promos for them on tiktok.
They didn't even want to touchthe other platforms I was on,
just because they're not.
They weren't what you know theywere looking for.
So I I think if people who mayhave lost the sponsorships, you
may have a hard time getting itback because a company's gonna
be like well, do I really wantto invest a lot more money in
this when I'm not sure what'sgoing to happen with it?
You know what I mean, I thinkeverything's kind of messy.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
You mean similar to Adpocalypse.
Remember Adpocalypse Of YouTubeera where lots of people were
pulling their ads from YouTubesaying, well, we don't want our
ads to be affiliated with thesepeople, yeah, and Twitter too,
having.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Twitter yeah, affiliated with these people
yeah they just and twitter too.
Having twitter, the companiesare like nah, we're good, we
don't, we don't want toadvertise in your stupid
platform, but that's you knowit's, it's.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
I guess all social media platforms go through this
period, though I can't think ofa social media platform that
hasn't had a hiatus from theadvertisement, because really
advertisement is what pays theseplatforms to survive most of
the time it's you know that's.
That's where the money is.
Every social media platformgoes through an adpocalypse to a
(16:54):
degree.
Yep, it's full out andpersonally it's back.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Personally, I believe that tiktok, while it's sort of
back, I actually think it'sgoing to go away again.
I think that there's going tobe a lot of lobbying from Google
, from YouTube, other folks, toreally push, keep the ban in
place.
Because even if people are notgoing back to those apps the way
(17:21):
they were before, still havingless competition from TikTok
makes their lives a lot easier.
Apps the way they were before,still having less competition
from tiktok, makes their lives alot easier, makes the ads they
put out there more expensive tothe companies that are
purchasing them.
So I don't think tiktok's gonnabe back for long do you think
that's the case?
Speaker 3 (17:36):
because I thought, with trump being coming
president, that all the socialmedia platforms, including
tiktok, were there for hisinauguration and all that
weren't, they, weren't they alltogether in a sense.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah, if anyone can tell, by my deep size, how I
feel about the state of politicsand the new president.
It's not hard to figure out.
But you're right, everyone'slike kissing up right now.
I just, I just can't see itlasting.
Okay.
Okay, you know what?
Maybe I'm hoping it doesn'tlast, you know?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Okay Well, all right, we'll have to just wait and see
then for you if that's actuallygoing to be the case.
You're hoping that it's demise.
I mean I hope it stays.
I think it has been a goodplatform overall.
It doesn't feel like all thesocial media platforms are based
in one country either.
I think that's another nicething to think about, that it's
not majority controlled.
(18:32):
It is still is majority control, but there's a there's an
opportunity for other peopleoutside to to create yeah, yep,
absolutely.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
I know we touched on the social media ban, the
blanket social media ban thatAustralia put in place.
Yeah, so it's been a few weeksnow, or a few months, whatever.
Yeah, nothing's changed.
How's it going?
Nothing's changed.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Nothing's changed.
But the whole point was thatthere's 12 months to implement.
We're in that 12th period sorealistically, we're not going
to see something about what'shappening here, where we're
going with here.
Nothing is going to be untilthis time next year.
Realistically, 2020, start of2026 is where we'll see.
Maybe towards the later half ofthis year we might start seeing
(19:17):
that progression change andpeople dropping off.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
But as of right now I'm curious how they're going to
implement off, but as of rightnow, I'm curious how they're
going to implement.
I mean, I was working at a jobwhen a law came out in
california that requiredeveryone that had information on
their, on the people of thestate, they could call and
request everything you had.
Yes, and there was a similar 12month time frame implement and
(19:40):
the company was with.
It took nine to 12 months forus to figure out how to make
this work and implement it, andI'm thinking all these companies
are trying to do the same thing.
How do we actually do ageverification Right now?
We say you must be 13 orwhatever in the terms and
(20:01):
agreements, but we don't enforceshit.
So I'm curious, from atechnical standpoint, how
they're going to do it.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
I think it'd be similar to.
My friend was telling methey're back into the dating
game and all the dating apps andstuff and a part of the dating
apps you can verify your face,which uses your phone camera, so
you upload the photos of whatyou want, blah, blah, blah, and
then it's using your phone'scamera to verify that your face
matches the face in the photos.
(20:29):
I would say that's probablygoing to be something along the
lines of using faceidentification where you're
going to have to Every time youlog in?
I wouldn't say log in, I thinksetting up the account.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
That's BS.
You know that that is bad.
Bad.
You get an older friend to doit and then they go away yeah,
yeah, there's always going to bea workaround like that's.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
That's, that's the reality of it.
There is a workaround, and whenwe talked about the social
media ban in australia, I thinkI brought up that the the
government was more so, sayingthere's lots of parents out
there that have, and I think itis worldwide.
It's not any.
You know.
Australia's not the onlyexception.
There's a lot of the parentsout there that feel like they
(21:12):
have to allow their children tobe on social media because other
parents have said so.
You know what I mean?
It's that peer pressure asadults or as parents, to do
something that you don't feelcomfortable with, just to keep
your child in the loop, orwhatever way.
The australia government wasbasically trying to say, hey,
we'll be the bad guy and back upanyone here, so you can't feel
(21:34):
bad as a parent, whether or it'snow us be the one saying, yeah,
exactly I.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
It's funny you mentioned the parental peer
pressure.
My wife and I don't ever fallinto that trap like we'll hear
things you know from my kids,like but you know someone's
friend's mom and dad, let themdo it, and I and I always say
the same thing.
I'm like well, I'm sorry thattheir parents don't love them
enough, but you're not gettingit yeah, I would probably say
the opposite way.
(22:00):
I'm sorry, I don't love youenough to actually do that,
because really, that's how yourchildren are feeling at the time
but it is, you're evil, you'rethe devil, all that stuff.
But you know tiktok's banned ornot.
Who knows if it's gonna stickaround.
But it'll be interesting to see.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
It'll be interesting to see what happens yeah, I mean
I will say I kind of hope itdoesn't because, like, even
though I haven't done any any,anything at any time, because
you know quite some time, theappeal of especially like
getting games because I stillget games offered to me and I
have accepted games that Ihaven't done anything with their
(22:41):
appeal is actually my tiktokaccount.
Now it's not my twitch anymore,where it was like can you
stream games it's actually theappeal of can you make content
with our games on tiktok?
so I kind of, kind of don't wantanything to go because I kind
of I think I think in reality of80 of my followers, the us.
So, yeah, there is a yeah.
That was always, always mybiggest gripe when it came to
(23:04):
streaming and tiktok, where myfollowers was oh, I had put my
viewership in a total differenttime zone to me.
That was hard for me to do livestreaming with the numbers
where most of my followers wereeither asleep or just getting up
to go to work, when I would golive yeah, I remember when I was
(23:24):
, you know, I had the mentorprogram going.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
I had a number of people who were not in the us
base.
They're all asking how do I getto be part of the us?
You know demographics, how do Iget my videos and whatever
shown there?
And now I guess you don'ttechnically have to worry about
it too much yeah, you've beenlistening to Dad Mode.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!