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Picture this: you’re stuck in a winter wonderland with a pile of college applications looming over you like Richard, or maybe you're living the carefree life like Karl. Either way, you're in for a treat. We've got non-traditional Christmas movies on our radar, and we're taking you along for a ride through the snow-dusted horror of films like Terrifier and Krampus. Our personal tales of braving Terrifier 3 are enough to make you squirm, but they also spark an intriguing conversation about the artistry of horror and its impact on viewers. And just for fun, we toss around ideas for stories so unique, even a Bishonen Civil War concept makes the cut.

Ever wondered if Jack from Titanic was a time traveler? You're not alone. In this chapter, we speculate wildly about fan theories and let our imaginations run wild with Dungeons & Dragons character creation. We're talking support roles and unconventional builds that might just change the game forever. And speaking of changes, imagine Hayao Miyazaki directing a sci-fi film about our lives—because why not blend his magical charm with futuristic adventures? From quirky theories to director dreams, we're here to turn conventional ideas on their head.

What if historical figures like Rasputin or Houdini found themselves in a dystopian future? We explore those wild scenarios and even concoct bizarre game hybrids like a Monster Hunter meets Mario Kart mashup. Our creativity knows no bounds as we tackle rewriting endings of beloved series and envisioning obscure characters starring in their own films. From critiquing popular narratives to suggesting alternatives, our discussion is a whirlwind of storytelling passion, all while sharing a laugh and savoring the endless possibilities within the realms of sci-fi and fantasy.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Happy I don't know Halloween Sure, and welcome to
Deep Space and Dragons.
I'm Richard, the person whospent way too much energy on
college applications this week.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
And I am, carl, the person who spent zero energy on
college applications this week.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Indeed and yeah, welcome to the show.
How are you this week in theCarl-verse Catchphrase?

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Carl-verse is a catchphrase now.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Into the Carl-verse is, in fact, our most popular
segment, especially since wedon't have the budget or sound
cues to really have segments.
Well, it was until you stoppednearly killing yourself.
It's like, oh, he's going totalk about horror movies.
I'm like that's not nearlydifferent enough in narrative
tone for our main show.
You need to be playing withbuzz sauce.
Yeah that's true.

(00:50):
You got domesticated and yourbuying drops considerably.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Oh man, that's too bad.
I don't really actually have aninteresting thing to talk about
this week, because I was goingto talk about how obviously now
it's heading towards Christmasand so instead of watching
horror Halloween movies, you'vegot to watch Christmas movies.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
You know what would be fun?
Probably not right now, butsome episode listing our top
favorite non-traditionalChristmas movies, because Gundam
Wing Endless Waltz is a greatChristmas movie.
Christmas movies Because GundamWing Endless Waltz is a great
Christmas movie.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Well, you see, for the Halloween season we watched
Terrorfire and Terrorfire 2.
Which, the whole Terrorfireseries I would describe as
gruesome, gory fun.
That's not really narratively,it's not exciting storytelling,

(01:51):
but in the spirit of Christmasyou gotta watch Christmas movies
.
And so we watched Krampus.
That's a good one.
That one was definitely waymore horrifying than I thought
it would be.
And then we also watchedTerrifier 3, because it takes

(02:13):
place at Christmas time, youknow, I feel like Christmas,
horror is a surprisinglypopulated genre.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
I'm even thinking like Futurama has taken Robot
Santa and I'm like that isabsolutely a hot take.
And this is going to be anepisode entirely of hot takes,
with our random questions stackready to go, but um, yeah, no.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
So I mean the.
The basic overarching plot ofthe terrifier series is that
there's scary, uh, some sort of.
There's some sort of.
There's some sort of demon thatis using the clown serial
killer as a tether to try andcome into the real world.
Yeah, and then he leaves behindvictims for the demon to

(03:03):
possess, okay.
He leaves behind victims forthe demon to possess, okay.
And I mean that's Then the maincharacter of Terrifier 2 and 3
is the daughter of a comic bookartist who appears to have been
part of some sort of angelicanti-demon force and used his

(03:27):
life experience as an anti-demonhunter to write comics.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
That feels like a much better manga than it would
deserve to be.
Well, like me and my friendtoday, we're brainstorming ideas
for like J novel clubs.
Write a light novel and submitit by December contest.
And some of the ideas webrainstormed.
One of them was you know, it'dbe really funny an anime
retelling like Legend of Arslan,but the American Civil War, but

(03:55):
everyone's needlessly prettyand Bishonen, so you'd have
pretty Bishonen Abraham Lincolnshooting Confederates.
It'd be great and like thelogic.
It's like they all have thesedumb cinemas on their side and
rifles and you can do sickchoreography if you just use
them like right, right, someonedoes the thing where you club
someone with the rifle and thencatch it and spin it around your

(04:17):
neck so the bullet fires gurn,logging style, like that's how
it's done um, but I mean.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
So, like I say that they're not pushing the
narrative envelope when you knowdemons and angels and whatnot.
Um, but, uh, I'm, I'm, investednow.
But the most important thing tonote about terrifier 3 um, even
more so than the second one,the Terrifier 3 has gained a

(04:47):
reputation of being so gross anddisgusting that people throw up
, pass out, call ambulances orleave the theater because they
just can't handle it.
Or a redacted theater I used towork at never fixed that oven
and it's a carbon monoxide leak.
Well, so, uh, me and my fiancewent to see terrifier.

(05:09):
We were, uh, two out of fourpeople who were in the theater
that night, um, and uh, theother two people, uh, they, they
left after a half hour.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
They couldn't, they couldn't hack it hooray, you had
a private screening, a romanticmoment of a Deeply disturbing,
disgusting movie.
Good job.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah, yeah, it was.
Art the Clown has his ownChristmas theme song and the
gist of it is that he's Justtrying to outdo himself with how
gruesome His killings can be,all the while trying to torment
the daughter of the comic bookartist so that her spirit will
break and the demon can possessher.
Spooky yeah.

(05:56):
Anyways, I mean that's Ihaven't really been doing much
interesting stuff lately, and Imean Just been working which
involves To be fair for doinginteresting stuff.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
this is going to be a hot take.
I probably do more interestingstuff.
You just live in a moreinteresting hell infested
hellscape Like it's not that youhad an interesting day because
you chose to get robbed.
It's not like you saw someonedragged off the street into an
ambulance.
It's like the active versuspassive protagonist.

(06:32):
You're more in a side timesituation where nonsense happens
around you and you're largelyunaffected by it, where I'm more
Regan from mob psycho, wheremost things that happened to me
are super dramatic andabsolutely my fault.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Well, I mean once it, once it snows.
Hopefully it snows a lot.
I'm really hopeful.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
It's like, I mean, it went outside of today to
t-shirt and shorts.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Well, anyway, I'm really hoping in snow today in a
t-shirt and shorts.
Well, anyway, I'm really hopingthe snow is here and that we
get lots of snow and then I canbuild a Quincy, and then I will
regale people with tales of theQuincy.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
I'm sorry.
What Like the bleach Quincy ora different Quincy?

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Well, basically you just pile a bunch of snow, then
you dig it out, and apparentlythey're so warm that when you're
in there, uh, you might have toactually make a chimney to
allow some of the heat to escape, otherwise you'll overheat you
see, the the thing is, I knewthat word, what you're talking
about, but I also have beengoing through the new season of
bleach and I'm like you're gonnamake a giant snow, uriu.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
I don't know why, but i'm'm intrigued.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Well, yeah, I mean I'm going to be like Luke
Skywalker in the one where heclimbs into the snow monster.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
And this is the danger of yes anding each other.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Yeah, well, yeah, firstly you make a giant statue
of someone out of snow the Queenof the King, yeah and then I
don't know where the best placeto create the hole to climb in
would be, but I mean, I guessprobably in the gut that's
probably the best place.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
You know what's great ?
People went through like 90hours of this show.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Anyways, hypothetical snow forts aside, what's that?
What's new in the in therichard?

Speaker 1 (08:31):
sphere.
I spent 700 in universityapplications this week and I am
deeply destroyed.
Every law school is like 200bucks, every master program is
like 150 bucks and I'm like I'mgonna better myself.
Goodbye paycheck.
It's like it's gambling too.

(08:51):
It's like we only let in somany people like this is such a
racket boo.
This I'm paying.
Nothing like paying a fee toearn the privilege to give them
money.
It's like a Taylor Swift ticketlottery.
So that's been.
Oh, I also went to a poetryworkshop, which was fun, where

(09:12):
one of the poetry exercises theydid is they had a random word
generator yell out words andyou're supposed to like grab the
words as you were writing andintegrate them.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Admit it, that sounds kind of fun.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
That does sound kind of fun.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
Right.
So we went through this writingworkshop with this famous poet
and I'm like I've been doingmore school events, because if I
get off work at four atRedacted and the event's at six
and a friend meets up for me fordinner, then, boom, I've had a
full day.
Ah, so, honestly, like besideswriting countless essays and
portfolios and things for lawschool and master's programs and

(09:48):
setting up like five to sixaccounts and things, and working
full time and writing my newbook and somehow sneaking in
beating the entirety ofre-metaphor,
re-fantasmo-metaphor orsomething or other from Atlas,
I've had a pretty full timelately.
Like I'm good, I've been busy.

(10:11):
I don't know if I've ever beenmore busy.
I also got a Fiverr request,Someone wanting to write those.
You know those tacky Instagramrevenge stories where it's like
someone did something and theylike stole their car.
Someone wrote me an offer tocommission me to write those.
I'm like I normally don't turndown writing work, but those are
really lame and I'm busy well,I mean, if you're writing it,

(10:34):
you can make it not so lame no,you really can't.
so my girlfriend broke up withme.
But the revenge is that my 1982chevrolet that she keyed is now
worth more money.
Like those are always just sopetty, Like the moral of those.
If you're literally writingjustified revenge stories, that
means that neither person'sbeing the bigger person, and I

(10:55):
hate those.
Yeah, okay, okay, I guessthat's fair.
It's like she stole my car butdidn't realize that the engine
needed to be changed.
It got stuck in the woods.
Ha ha, That'll learn her.
I'm like you both suck.
Sure, the story makes you soundlike a bad person, but cackling
at your vengeance also makesyou a bad person.
As a professional villain, Ican safely say the difference

(11:18):
between a villain and asupervillain is theatrics, and
no theatrics are at play in anyof those stories.
In is theatrics and notheatrics are at play in any of
those stories.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
You just made me think of something that is
actually interesting and new,kind of I have a work friend.
I know friends are hard to comeby nowadays.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Have they tried to smoke an orange peel?

Speaker 2 (11:43):
No, no, no, they're not that kind of person.
They're much more.
No, no, they're not that kindof person.
They're much more stable thanthat.
They're just the kind of personwho plays Warhammer 40K and has
a couple thousand dollars withthe minifigs.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
Okay, this is suspicious, this is super
suspicious.
A co-worker of yours playsWarhammer 40K.
Before I could even make thejoke about how expensive that
hobby is, you're like, oh, lookat all the figures and I'm like,
how Like are they a methodactor learning to play a
pizzeria character when theyplay Spider-Man in the next

(12:17):
movie?
Like, how do you?
Warhammer and food service?
I did the food service tour.
I could talk this shade foodservice.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
I did the food service tour.
I could talk to this shade I Idon't know.
I don't know how old hiscollection is.
I do know that his his roommateI think is on permanent
disability and he says that heprobably has like a million
dollars worth of like magiccards and warhammer.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
It's called One Warhammer Army.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
In any event, he's part of a play-by-post Vampire,
the Masquerade.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
I do love that game.
I do dislike playingplay-by-post.
So play-by-post is great intheory.
So some people have trains ofthought right.
People who don't have diagnosedadhd.
I have a roomba of thought itjust kind of goes across the
floor at random and if you don'tmess with it it functions fine,

(13:19):
but then it usually just hits awall and bounces right.
So with, so with my attentionspan, even if I really care
about something and we've trieddoing play-by-post things, even
with just the two of us before Iwill get not even lose interest
.
I will lose focus and objectpermanence on a play-by-post
campaign.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Fair enough.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
I'm pretty sure the main reason I DM is playing.
500 characters is enough tokeep me occupied.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Anyways, my character .
I've kind of beenprocrastinating on actually
making a character sheet.
I think I have it's fine, youknow who you play.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
You play Strauss in his Hawaiian shirt.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
I am playing Philip Marlowe, the legendary detective
, but the story is that he wasinvestigating a murder Turned
out to the perpetrator was avampire and then, for the
greater good of society, hemurdered the vampire.
Pause for a second.
I'm going to use up one of ourlimited swears, from the swear
jar society.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
he murdered the vampire.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Pause for a second.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
I have to use up one of our limited swears from the
swear jar Shit.
That's good.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
So, then, because he obviously has quite a bit of
talent as an investigator, andif the feat of a normal human
defeating a vampire isimpressive, he got turned so
that no other vampire clan mightbe able to use his skills
against them so when we weredoing our noir episode a while
back.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
You know, I've never seen like a straight up noir
vampire story and I'm like thatfeels so obvious though the noir
vampire detective right um.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
So so far all that he's done is he?
Is he um?
Detective Right.
So so far, all that he's doneis he.
I walked up to the mansionwhere we're having this initial
meeting that I'm not really sureexactly what's going on yet I
know that a whole bunch ofpeople have been invited to this
mansion, turned hideout andthere's a werewolf there for
some reason Part of our party.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
I mean to be fair.
If you build a team of vampires, some asshole's going to want
to be a werewolf there, for somereason Part of our party.
I mean to be fair.
If you build a team of vampires, some asshole's going to want
to be a werewolf, and it'dprobably be me, I don't know.
When I play characters, Iusually play because I'm so used
to DMing.
I basically build an NPC so Ican facilitate other people's
playing in the game, like I'veliterally built warlocks without
Eldritch Blast and only havehelp.

(15:44):
So I can encourage other peopleto do more stuff right right
yeah, you heard the internet.
I built a 5e warlock that hadguidance as a cantrip and
control flame but didn't havefirebolt or Eldritch Blast
because attacking is for jumps.
So I reversed min max.
I specifically picked a koboldso I could have a strength stat

(16:06):
of six to start that's funny, um, but yeah, I haven't actually
finished my character sheet yet.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
I just I introduced my character and, um, I don't
know if I'm gonna, like the dmdidn't ask, ask me for any sort
of roles when I was walking upto the mansion and being like
I'm checking the windows andlooking for footprints and
making note of all the names onthe tombstones.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
So to follow that up, one of our random questions,
because this is a randomquestion episode kind of segues
in nicely.
What is a conspiracy theory ina fictional universe you
secretly believe could be truein our universe?
So you need to find a fictionalconspiracy that turned out to
be a conspiracy in that fictionthat you think is a surprisingly
legit theory a fictionalconspiracy theory that could be

(17:04):
legit, yeah or that's let's dothe less complicated version of
that.
What is a conspiracy theory?
What is a fan theory in afictional universe you believe
could be true, like I think,that usopp is soga king has some
merit despite that being anabsurd fan theory.
So let's change that question abit.
What's a fan theory in afictional universe you believe
could be true?
For a while, I really liked thefan theory in a fictional

(17:26):
universe you believe could betrue.
For a while, I really liked thefan theory that Obito was the
second Hokage and not theobvious Obito, because that
would have actually been a twist.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
That would have been quite the twist, yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
Oh wait, One came up recently that Aizen is Captain
Hippie's son.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Aizen is Captain Hippie's son.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
There's a fan theory.
They both have illusion powers.
They talk to each other on afirst name basis.
There's a flashback to CaptainHippie, kind of like Aizen, and
that's why he releases Aizen,because he's actually secretly
his dad.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
And also he's a harlot, so the statistical odds
that he has children out thereare pretty good well, see, I, uh
, unfortunately I really don'tdo that much additional research
after I watch, or before orafter I watch anything, so like

(18:30):
I'm not really up to date withmany fan theories, like like the
only fan theory thatimmediately comes to mind, or
well, not even fan, okay, Iguess, no, no, okay now.
Now I gotta think back, becausegame theory here we we go.
My favorite theory is the onethat Leonardo DiCaprio from

(18:53):
Titanic is a time traveler.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yes, yes, I don't know what episode.
I think we talked about this onour Avatar episode forever ago,
but please recap episodeforever ago.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
But please recap, because james cameron, uh, the
legendary sci-fi director thathe is, uh, has exactly one
romance to his name, namely, uh,the titanic.
Uh, but leonardo dicaprio'scharacter, jack, uh.
He makes at least threereferences to man-made objects
that were not made when theTitanic set sail.
His backpack is noterror-appropriate and he swoops

(19:32):
out of nowhere, wins a game ofchance to get onto the ship and
then disappears without a trace.
That, with the fact that JamesCameron almost always does
sci-fi, and you got a recipe forthe idea that he's a time
traveler and, honestly, the ideathat time travel actually
exists.
I think that's.

(19:54):
I think it's possible.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
So an interesting follow up to that, which is kind
of unhinged.
They recently released a newseason of the Legend of Vox
Machina, which is a criticalrole anime series, and they have
two characters on a doorfloating away.
It's a good thing this doorfits two people and that just
made me laugh, like they knewwhat they were doing and I'm

(20:18):
like, wow, it's like okay, guys,you kickstarted for millions of
dollars made to season three tomake this bit happen.
I cannot believe no one elsehas ever done this bit.
This is amazing.
So our question three on ourlist for Comtex, the last one
was question six.
Question three If your life hadto be directed by a famous
sci-fi director, who would youpick and what would the plot

(20:40):
twist be?

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Who would I pick your ?

Speaker 1 (20:44):
James Caverin opening there.
That pivots into this weirdquestion very nicely.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah, okay, now I'm thinking about sci-fi movies.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
So I'm going to weird one.
And you might say I can't getaway with this, but I kind of
want to go.
So sci-fi and fantasy is alwaysa weird line, cause I kind of
want.
Yato Miyazaki to direct mysci-fi movie life, cause it just
be full of like deep themes andcute shit, like if I was in

(21:19):
like a Howl's Moving Castlesci-fi situation that would be
so cool.
So it's like I want to takesomeone who doesn't sci-fi and
make them sci-fi to see whathappens.
But it might not be the bestchoice to do with my life.
What I really need to do is Ineed to look up who directed
Star Trek Lower Decks, because Iwould fit very well.

(21:40):
Like Star Trek is like the bestfictional sci-fi setting to be
in.
Like it has the highest odds ofjust having a good life.
Oh, and the twist would be forif I got Miyazaki to do it, that
it was sci-fi is the twist.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Right, right.
Hmm, I gotta look up lists ofsci-fi directors and I mean like
sci-fi directors and see 20most of sci-fi directors, and I
mean like sci-fi directors andsee 20 most beloved sci-fi
directors.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Kelly is a supervising director for the
anime series Star Trek LowerDecks yeah, that's who I need
directing it.
That works for me.
Or Mike Mahan is the showrunneryeah, and the plot twist being,
if I'm on a Star Trek show withmy personality, then I'm not a
villain.
Oh.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Oh man, hmm, I do like RoboCop, robocop is great.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
I don't know if you want to be in robocop.
However, the idea that thatpizza robbery went bad and now
you're a robocop robocop takingplace in saskatchewan just
immediately adds some magic toit yeah, I feel, I feel like
that would be.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
That'd be the twist.
There'd be like a half hour to40 minutes of me just being
normal stuff and then likecutting away to like some sort
of like crazy guy doing crazystuff, and then he breaks into
the store and boom you know whatwould be wild actually?

Speaker 1 (23:14):
it starts as a clerks movie.
It turns into Robocop at thethree quarters point.
Alright, here's the next one,which this one's pretty fun.
Not related in any way, but Ikind of enjoy the train of
thought here.
What sidekick do you thinkwould make the worst main
character, despite being a dopesidekick, if they got their own

(23:36):
story?

Speaker 2 (23:38):
A dope sidekick that makes a terrible main character.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Like.
My first thought is GenosBecause like, if you didn't have
like.
Genos Because like if youdidn't have.
Genos just loses every fight,despite being really cool, and
if it's like if it was his story, I'm like, oh man, it would
just be like watching Worf's theshow.
Master Roshi, Master Roshi,would be deeply problematic to

(24:05):
run a show.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Oh, yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Like they made him a little better in Super, but not
really ugh and like he was aniconic character, but time time
has made that this man could nothave a show yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Hmm, man, I'm I'm so blanking on sidekicks Like dang,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Like I'll allow side characters.
Like if you want to just belike Sasuke, I'd be like yeah,
that's fair actually.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
I don't know.
I actually really like theSasuke side story where the guy
was using Ido Tensei toresurrect dinosaurs.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
So I'm mad because Ido Tensei is broken and I mad
that sasuke, with the power tomake meteors, didn't drop a
meteor on the dinosaur and it'salso like he went undercover.
When he's so stupidly broken,there's no reason he it's like
it'd be like if goku wentundercover, just like.
But you can blow up this entirecity.
Why are you bothering?
You specifically have a powerto brainwash people to tell you
the truth.
It's like I think if that sidestory starred his daughter, I

(25:11):
would have been on board, butSasuke himself literally has a
power to trap someone for 72hours and slap them with a trout
.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
That is true.
Sasuke is a walking nuclearbomb.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Yeah, Sasuke and Boruto forgot that when he was
12, he could do this shit, andthey're like they didn't nerf
him he just forgets that he'sbroken.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Hmm, you know, uh, what sidekick would make a
terrible main character Kit fromKnight Rider.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
Oh man, If he was the main character, I don't know
how you would do that you know Iwas gonna say robin, and then I
remember teen titans existedand had to quickly backtrack off
that one because it's like ohno, wait that no no, his show ed
young justice not turns out.
He actually makes a better maincharacter than batman somehow
patrick star from sponge robsquarepants.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
I think he'd be a pretty bad.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
He got his own show.
I think they made the Patrickstar show.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Yeah, that sounds like it'd be awful.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
I would not find that with the watch.
No, no, I would not but thatwas a good random question.
Okay, all right, the next one.
I know particular order, okayall right.
The next one, in no particularorder which magical creature
would make the best ceo of amodern tech company and why, uh,

(26:37):
so a sneakle bolus for me well,I mean, I was definitely
leaning towards dragon.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Uh, that kind of seems like the.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
I should have said Niv's Mizit.
Instead I went with the mucheviler one.
That's on me Like the correctanswer is Niv Mizit, but instead
I just put Niko Bolas in chargeof Tesla, which might result in
it being slightly more ethical.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
I think Niko Bolas is probably a better CEO than Niv
Mizit.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Remember that time Niko Bolas is probably a better
CEO than Niv-Mizzet.
Remember that time Nicol Bolaswiped out the entire population
so their gods would cease toexist.
So he could hack them and takecontrol of them and then
laminate the entire civilizationso they'd be objects and could
be warped to another world tomurder them.
Top tier CEO behavior.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Well I mean, yeah, people don't really man.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Magic War was so cool before they started doing their
infinite universe crossoverbullshit.
Ah, anywho.
So I think we just agreed on me,I agreed on nico and you agreed
on bolus, like fair enough Iguess really I definitely think
dragon, for sure, I mean I Iwant to put a jabberwocky in

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charge of one of these likebuzzword startups, like in
charge of crypto, like a literalJabberwocky in charge of one of
these buzzword startups, likein charge of crypto, like a
literal Jabberwocky.
The nonsense Boogaloo do.
The nonsense Boogaloo do istelling you that the blockchain
will hold the fungible tokens ittracks.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
It definitely tracks.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
And I'm pretty sure Microsoft is actually just run
by Sphinx.
Hmm.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Yeah, well, see, I mean, the thing is that you have
to choose like something orsomeone or something that's like
psychotic.
They have to be sophisticated.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
I mean Mr Mixoplexis would be great, but I don't
think that's a magical creature.
I think the part of two is likewe're defining best because me
and you are on best.
So we immediately wentanti-capitalist and went evilist
, definitely, immediately.
My first thought was NicolBolas, a character famous for

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evil.
Well, I mean, okay, so hissignature move is cruel
ultimatum.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Fundamentally, I I think that when a company gets
to a certain size and I don'tknow what the size is, but when
a company gets to a certain size, or maybe it's a success they
begin to care more about profitsthan they do about their
consumers.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Although I have this weird take like that.
I believe it's a company's jobto make profit and the
government's supposed to step in, and that's where the real
problem is.
That's probably true.
Asking the literal goldhoarding dragon Smaug to be good
on his own and believing intrickle-down economics is just
foolish.
He's a gold-hoarding dragonnamed Smaug.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
But see, smaug would make a great CEO because he
would focus so heavily onprofits.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Although counterpoint Because of my deep hatred of
some of these tech companies.
Godzilla in charge, and thenthe tech companies solved.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Godzilla's so smart he has two brains.
You're not wrong.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Also, I just think it'd really be funny to just put
a majestic unicorn behind thefront desk.
And they're on a swivel chair.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Well, I mean Sphinx seems pretty majestically wise.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
But let's be real.
If I was the one writing thisstory, it would just be a
regular kobold that worked hisway to the top with a sideways
tie.
It'd be great.
His name would be like GlipZipor something.
Maybe GlipZip would startselling GlipZip's ointment.
And now GlipZip is in charge ofJohnson, johnson, johnson.

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Shall, we move on to the nextone Sure.
What item or artifact from anyfictional world do you think
would make it a surprisinglygreat reality TV show premise?

Speaker 2 (30:51):
An artifact.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
Or item from a fictional world to be used as a
reality TV show premise.
So I'm going to start with myfavorite, one of the sort that
puts you into people'sbackstories stories.
The entire reality TV show iswe film this person, just
injecting themselves into thisperson's entire life story in an

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instant.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Well, see, I was thinking about like the Dragon.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Balls would be pretty sad actually To literally watch
them find seven magic balls andthe prize is an actual wish.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Well, I mean, I was thinking like the D&D Pocket
Castle.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Ooh, pocket Castle, yeah, actually.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
That'd be a pretty good one.
Or the Ring of Invisibility, Imean specifically, I guess I'd
be thinking about the One Ring.
That'd be an interestingreality TV show.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
I'm pretty sure that was just called the Apprentice.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Watching people run away from the Nazgul.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
Yeah, that is accurate.
I love the idea For one milliondollars.
Bring this ring to Morador.
Can you ring it?
Yes, definitely, not the DeathNote.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Okay, the Dragon Balls would definitely be a
pretty good one.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
The TARDIS would be pretty good for a reality TV
show.
So was the Hyperbolic TimeChamber.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Well, I mean so was a spaceship just in general, Like
an actual reality TV show ofpeople just living their life on
a spaceship?

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Probably not the Ark of the Covenant.
However, Shendu's DragonTalisman is a pretty good one.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Ooh yeah, that's true , Shendu's Dragon Talisman.
Let's see.
Hmm.
The Millennium Puzzle.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Just yes, like an actual reality TV show that just
followed the king of gamesgoing around with messing with
people especially season zeroyami today's episode.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
We're playing ice hockey with gunpowder.
Like I was gonna go thedirection like the dual disc
would be great reality tv, butactual king of games, yami oof.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
That is just captivating, that would be a
pretty good reality tv show allright, our next one on this
arbitrary list.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
I'm gonna jump ahead to arbitrary list.
I'm going to jump ahead tonumber 19.
I've had this conversation withyou before a few times you get
to become the author of oneclassic book, but you have to
rewrite it as fantasy or sci-fi.
Which book do you pick andwhat's the twist?
Rewrite a classic book asfantasy or sci-fi, what's the

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book and what's the twist.
So I had this conversationearlier today.
I kind of want to do a GreatGatsby, just like the super,
super American cast of the GreatGatsby, thrown in some Elf
Kingdom.
I'm also really pro doing theChristian Bible as steampunk ooh
, I'm also really pro doing theChristian Bible as steampunk ooh

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that won't come back to bite me.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
I was thinking Huckleberry Finn, but obviously
the black people, who are slaves, are aliens.
And so then, our main characteruses one of the, uses one of
the aliens to try and escapedown the river on a raft and has
to come to terms with the factthat, and the river is space.
Yes, yeah, space, it's space,huckleberry Finn.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Huckleberry Finn in space is pretty good.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Where the main character realizes that, even
though you look different on theoutside, it's what's on the
inside that counts.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
I kind of want to rewrite Harry Potter without the
transphobia, maybe as a sci-fiwhile I'm at it.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
What would you do to make it sci-fi?

Speaker 1 (35:19):
I don't know yet.
Like the exact premise of HarryPotter, but instead of you're a
wizard, you're a Jedi.
Nah, harry Potter's not worth arewrite.
Like it's, the more classic thebook, the better.
Like if you did Pride andPrejudice but Muppets that's
more a movie situation and Prideand Prejudice and Zombies has

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been done.
I also really liked SherlockHolmes in the 22nd century as a
cartoon, so I'm completely onboard where if Sherlock Holmes,
actual Sherlock Holmes in the22nd century as a cartoon, so
I'm completely on board withSherlock Holmes, actual Sherlock
Holmes frozen in a block of iceand brought back to solve
future crimes.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
I like the idea of James Bond in a fantasy setting.
You know, yes, with gadgets.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
He's just a straight-up halfling like James
Bond, the halfling, yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah, that would be pretty good.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
They already did Romance of the Free Kingdom's
Gundam.
They just beat me to it.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
I don't know.
Dracula in space would also beinteresting.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
You know what Dracula in the Civil War?

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
There's a lot of interesting.
I do enjoy sci-fi retellings.
I think I told you one of myacquaintances wrote a sci-fi
retelling of the Count of MonteCrystal in space and it was
awesome.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
But also I am the target audience for that
property.
I also really love, likebrothers grim's fairy tale done
as sci-fi are always interestingbecause they get like
horrifying xenomorph werewolvesand things that that is true so
to move to the next question,because it's kind of a nice
natural segue.

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Question 20 okay if you couldchange one minor, often-rooked
rule or trope in science fictionor fantasy, what would it be
and how would it explore thegenre?
I'm going to steal yours Sayinghow long something will take to
then have it take longer thanthe thing we need.
The planet will blow up in 10minutes and then we do a
50-minute hike.
Will blow up in 10 minutes andthen we do a 50 minute hike.
I hate setting a ticking clockin sci-fi and fantasy and then

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not accurately having theticking clock matter.
I hate it Like.
I hate.
Like you didn't have to say itwill an hour, you just say it
will.
It takes a while to charge, butbecause you told us how long,
you then made the sceneridiculous.
And it happens a lot.
Every Marvel movie is like inten minutes to beam and you're

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like alright, I'll start mytimer.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
You're like that wasn't ten minutes he had ten
minutes getting dressed alone,okay, so one unwritten or one
rule about fantasy or sci-fi, ortrope Tro, trope or meme, hmm,
what would you change?

Speaker 1 (38:11):
or murder.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
Change or murder, I mean, if this was an anime
question, I'd go off.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
But sci-fi and fantasy is a little less go-off
Because I've mentioned before Iwould age up every anime
character by four years.
So they make logical fits ofthe genre they're in.
Hmm.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
Whoa.
See it.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
You know I really enjoy that.
We have our subtle backgroundmusic for you to just be like
super contemplative.
Would you like to skip and comeback to this one?

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yeah, maybe I'm trying to just like
contemplative, would you like toskip and come back to this one?
Yeah, maybe I'm trying to justlike.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Or did you take a moment to rapidly go up TV trope
sci-fi as fast as you could tofind a trope?

Speaker 2 (38:57):
to hate.
Maybe I should TV tropes.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
Shout out to TV tropes.
Not a sponsor, just a fan.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
I do like science fiction tropes on TV.
Okay, let's see.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
You know what trope I love and you can take it over
my cold dead fingers Is giantnovelty, giant robot weapons
that make no sense, like thesteam power, jackhammer type
weapons.
They're so dumb and they makeme so happy.
My most hated trope in allgenres Is born sexy yesterday.
That should just never be inanything.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's true.
That should not be in anything.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
The fact that that's a trope, same with the classic
fridging tropes Anything on ourMarvel movie bingo card.
Really we do not need colorcoded sky beams, you know that's
another trope color-coded beamweapons in sci-fi and fantasy,
although like as a viewer it'skind of handy, but like as a

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writer it's terrible or here'sanother trope I'm gonna hate on
in sci-fi beam weapons that havea hammer you pull back.
I've seen that more than once,that you cock your beam weapon
and I'm like no, just no.
Either build a cool sci-fi gunor have a regular gun, you don't
need to come by.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
I call nonsense okay, okay, I I think, I think I've
got this um, I have another 20minutes of ranting in me, but
please.
Well, I am slightly annoyed athow often humanoid aliens appear
, because humans are just notthe ideal evolutionary path for

(40:41):
other life forms.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
It's true.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
It's oxycodles.
Oh yeah, I'm not sure whatexactly the aliens should look
like, but it's like not only arethese aliens humanoid, uh, but
like to the point where, likesaiyan children, that saiyans
can mate with humans and theirchildren are more powerful
because they're half-blooded sohere's an interesting mini-rant.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
So first I was playing through that Reef of
Ascend Fantazo something othermetaphor, something other game
and they had their variousfantasy races.
They're elf, they're triclops,they're furry.
And then later in the gamespoilers for this game for
people we learned that they'rebasically war mutants of humans
and that's why they're allhumanoid.
So that they're basically warmutants of humans and that's why
they're all humanoid.
Hmm, so the one trope I'llcounterpoint to that one is, if

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you have like a progenitor race,like I know Robotech made a
point of it and Stoat is atarget of we spread this ancient
human-like race.
Humans are just one of theoffsprings of this race that
went out of their way to do that.
Right, like it can be good.
And there was a dnd explanationI heard where they came up with
this lore reason for someone'soriginal dnd world, that the

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reason there's half humans istheir.
You know, like the dwarves arecreated to craft and the elves
were created to be pretentious,humans were created to multiply
and, like their racial abilityis they can crossbreed with
everything.
That was just like their thingwas to go out and multiply was
the thing their god made them todo, so they're just

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specifically have the magicalability of compatibility.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
I guess.
Yeah, it's not so much thehumanoid races that bother me as
much as the insane level ofcompatibility, like even in, uh,
invincible.
It's like the viltrumites, uh,like they, they can mate with
humans and then their offspringare essentially just viltrumites

(42:40):
and it's like how really.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
And then, like you, start going into such weird
territory too, of like, not onlywhy can humans do this, or why
should they, or how are kidscoming out, but where's the line
?
The line gets real blurry.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
All right, that's for how that would change the sci
fi genre.
I mean we would see a lot moreinteresting alien designs.
I think that's way moreinteresting and unique character
designs.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
I will say in Star Trek's defense with the budget
they had they could afford headridges and occasionally a corn
suit.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
It's like in Star Trek everyone was humanoid,
because you could afford that.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
You could afford green body paint and super
gluing antennas on someone'shead.
But yes, I agree that too muchhumanoid.
It's like to go to Kaido, thelast evolution, for example,
where it's like it only lookshuman because, its actual form
would just blow your brain up.
It's like that's a fourthdimensional, dimensional cube.

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You can't actually he's like.
You can't figure out what Ilook like.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
I'm a fourth dimensional cube, it's like
touche, yeah uh, except thatthen the humans still had
children with the fourthdimensional beings, and that was
this twist ending the solution.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
It was the only logical conclusion that show
could have reached.
Clearly, all right number 18what fictional language would
you want to speak fluently?
Was the only logical conclusionthat show could have reached
clearly Alright number 18.
What fictional language wouldyou want to speak fluently and
how would you use it in reallife?
What Huh?
So I'm gonna be a jerk here andtake the voice from Dune and I

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would use it for crime mostly.
Intimidation my enemies parkingtickets.
It'd be real bad to give methat power, which is technically
a language.
Especially with that language.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
I'm thinking animal speak.
I don't really want to speak toa specific kind of animal, I
just kind of want to be able tospeak to all of them.
I guess maybe beast speak youmight call it.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
See.
I want to be a dick about itand be like, oh, I can do that
right now here, meekle, kitty,kitty, kitty.
And be like, yeah, you canalready talk to animals, but no,
no, the understanding's impliedhere in this context, you can
speak it fluently right, right.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
So like you can actually like give more clear
commands to animals, or you canjust like use it to gather
information, or like.
I mean, the most fun thing isjust to like set up a troop of
squirrels and teach them how tolike do backflips and stuff.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
But then the squirrels will know that you
know too much.
Alright, to pivot off that one.
If Aliens Visited demanded athree-part documentary
explaining Earth's pop culture,what three shows or movies would
you include?

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Explaining Earth's current pop culture.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
Yeah, so hot take.
I know one show would covermost of it.
It's actually animaniacs.
They go under their way torecap human history in multiple
occasions in that show okay, sothat's my first one is I'm going
with animaniacs, you can pick asecond and we have to agree on
the third.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
The social network.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
I hate how you're using that, oh no.
All right, so we got Animaniacsand we have to give up the sum
total of humanity's knowledge.
And so far we have Animaniacsand the social network.
All right, we need a third oneto try and round this out a bit.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
I'm thinking Doctor who.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
You know what Agreed?
This was easy to reachconsensus.
Yeah, because not only doesthat cover a lot of our history
and values, but also we'll scarethe shit out of those aliens if
they think any of this ispossible.
It's like, oh no, the humanswere able to stop the Daleks and
we're all going to be like, ohno, the Daleks are real.
Uh-oh, it's like, yeah, theshow was written by the Doctor

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himself, you idiot.
Oh, that makes so much sense.
Alright number 15, 15.
Which historical figure wouldhave the best chance of
surviving in a dystopian sci-fifuture?
Okay uh, dystopian sci-fifuture, huh although, to be fair

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, that could still be a roadwarrior situation or a cyberpunk
situation, who knows?

Speaker 2 (47:30):
hmm, now historical figure thinking, thinking,
processing, buffering.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
I'm like you know.
I don't want to say GenghisKhan, he's pretty hard to kill,
though but I'd like to like setsomeone like more useful right.
I don't want to say GenghisKhan, he's pretty hard to kill
though, but I'd like to setsomeone more useful right.
I want to be like I'm feelingEinstein, but I'm not actually
feeling Einstein.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Hmm, Well see, it'd be nice if it was like someone
who actually has like battleprowess right, like my brain
kind of went.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
Joan of Arc weirdly Rasputin would be stupid, but he
is the hardest to killhistorical figure it's hard to
kill Rasputin it is hard to kill.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Rasputin.
So I'm foolishly sending inRasputin.
It is hard to kill a Rasputin.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
So I'm foolishly sending in Rasputin like an
idiot.
Please tell me you have someonebetter you can send in than
Rasputin.
Uh, hmm.
Like I love the part where hesuccumbed to drowning.
Allegedly he could still bearound.
We don't know.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Uh, allegedly he could still be around, we don't
know.
Okay, I think Houdini.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
That's fun.
I don't even care how well hedoes, I'd watch that movie.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Houdini sent to dystopia.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
Like my brain's, like do I want to go like William
the Conqueror or MiyamotoMusashi?
Queen Elizabeth the first,honestly, is pretty hard to kill
, you know what?
I'm gonna go wild here.
I'm just setting outright BearGrails yeah, I mean, I don't

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know if he's the historicalfigure at this point, but he's
famous yeah, but I just mademyself sad because I'm like,
well, I guess I'll send steveerwin then, and then I made
myself sad I hope there aren'tany stingrays in this dystopian

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future.
Well, with the way he's goingthere will not be oh, they'll
probably be mecha stingrays inthis dystopian future.
Well, with the way humanity'sgoing there, will not be.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Oh, there'll probably be mecha stingrays.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
On that note, question 16.
You're a game designer forcedto merge two games into one
bizarre hybrid.
What are the games and how doyou combine them?

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Forced to combine two games into a bizarre hybrid.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Man, most of my combos just turn into SD Gundam
Gadgetpon Wars Because I'm like,yeah, fire Emblem and Gundam
Braille, that existed.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
And it was peak Mario .

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Kart, Monster Hunter.
Please explain me the gameplayloop of this because you have my
interest, Because we tend toweirdly actualize things we talk
about on this podcast.
If someone's listening and youget Monster Hunter Kart, that's
your chance to pitch this tosomeone, because I am deeply

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intrigued.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Well, okay, so the battle mode, specifically, would
probably be one of the like.
Obviously, there will also be arace mode where you're chasing
down the monsters to differentareas, um, but uh, you know, you
have different weapons alreadywithin the mario kart franchise,
um, and then you could justbasically add monsters to the

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tracks and be trying to avoidbeing hit by the monsters, uh,
getting to the finish line first, while also completing quests,
of sub-quests, of trying todestroy a certain number of
monsters and collecting enoughloot to upgrade your cart.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
I think you invented Kirby Air Ride.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Well, I mean, that's kind of like Kirby Air Ride, I
suppose.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
I'm picturing the part where Dynablade comes down
and swipes at you and if youkill Dynablade it gives you a
bunch of power-ups for themystery events.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Yeah, I mean I'm kind of cutting out the mystery
events and adding more of thewhole, like Monster Hunter
upgrade trees.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
See, I'm loving the like, especially the more
Monster Hunter it is where, like, the carts are made out of
monster pieces.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, like I'm getting behindon this idea.
It is a peak idea, I think itwould be a pretty bizarre hybrid
no-transcript Tales of Fantasiaor something Like I want to

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take like a hard, well-written,like let's go.
I want to combine Final FantasyVII and Yu-Gi-Oh, where the
combat system is Yu-Gi-Oh butthe storytelling is Final
Fantasy VII.
Like I want a game that I'mplaying card games with a really
good plot and the card game isjust like the battle system.
Like, instead of clicking mymenus, I'm just straight up

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playing a full game of Magic theGathering against this boss
battle.
That would go very well for my.
Actually, no scratch that.
I know what I actually want.
I want Mario Maker plus ArmoredCore.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
So you make Armored Core levels?

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Yes, so you make armored core levels yes, so you
make awesome gauntlet arenachallenges for people to pilot
their giant robots through.
That is correct hmm, so it'd belike building poro stages for
your mech suit.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
I really did enjoy the front mission games for the
super nintendo right.
They were pretty like sidescrolling mecha games, where
you're like really did enjoy thefront mission games for the
Super Nintendo Right.
They were pretty likeside-scrolling mecha games where
you're like platformers, whereyou're going through like
gauntlets of enemies.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Like realistically.
I actually just want Mega manZero and Mario Maker called Mega
man Zero Maker.
But Mega man Maker kind ofexists, it just wasn't an
official game.
But I feel like I could be morecreative than this.
I also kind of want a GundamBreaker Battle Royale, but
Battle Royales get boring to mequickly, so TLDR, I think I

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because I like creating, like Ilike the stage makers type stuff
more than I like the games, soit's like alright, I want to
take one of my favorite gameswith a six-story mode and then
build a fun easy maker for it.
Like you know, actually I kindof want a Final Fantasy maker,
like not like an RPG studio, butlike a Final Fantasy maker.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Okay, I think I have a more interesting and unique
combination.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Your combo was good, though you already won this
round, I mean.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Crypt of the Necrodancer plus Gundam Breaker.
Oh what yeah?
A rhythm-based Gundam Breakergame.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
So I was playing this game called Broforce the other
day on Xbox Game Pass.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
And it's awesome it is.
You have four buttons jump,shoot, punch and grenade okay
the main gory play loop is whenyou get hit by any one shot, you
die.
But when you die you switch toanother character and when you
rescue characters, they becomeyour backup lives every
character is an homage to a 90saction movie.
So they have the brominatorfrom terminator, which is a

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gatling gun, and his grenadeturns into a robot mode.
They got ripley from predator,which was brupley we got uh mr
broderson from the matrix, whosegun is just punching people and
has a bullet time grenade.
Bro, cop, who's time cop?
So, bronan the barbarian.
So that was this game was likeit made you, these bros, and you

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were running gun and the entireenvironment was destructible.
But it was like okay kind ofcrummy, you know, like indie
game crummy right I would love.
so my crossover game is I wouldtake that gameplay idea of your
lives or your characters.
You have all these funcharacters homages, you're
blowing up the environment and Iwould apply it probably to

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Dragon Ball Z.
So a 2D Dragon Ball Zplatformer, action platformer
with fully destructibleenvironments and a massive
roster of characters where youjust run, pew, pew and punch and
command maya things and like ahigh speed running gun situation
Like basically Contra X, dragonBall Z.
Shall we move on to the nextone then?

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Sure.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
I think we have time for two more based on my
arbitrary plots, because we didnot get through this full list,
because there's just someserious winners here.
So to follow up the whichsidekick would make a bad solo
movie or TV.
Get through this full listbecause there's just some
serious winners here.
So, to follow up the whichsidekick would make a bad solo
movie or TV?
Which obscure superhero villaindeserves a solo movie or TV and
who would you cast for it?
Ooh.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Obscure huh.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
So I do legitimately think that One Punch man live
action if we got the rightperson for saitama would
actually be really good.
I like we need like someoneeffortlessly funny to be saitama
, and I like like not ryanreynolds funny, we need someone

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who's deadpan funny, like ayoung Jon Stewart Because old
Jon.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Stewart wouldn't do it.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
So yeah, I think Saitama would be a very
interesting actual movie,because it's such a good parody
already, but it'd probably beworse in live action a good
parody already, but it'dprobably be worse in live action
.
But if we want to go actual, dc, marvel, whoever superhero
villain that deserves a solomovie.
I'm gonna be real and I'm gonnabe rough here.
John Oliver is Calendar man.

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Just the movie, straight upCalendar man, the idea of him
doing his crimes on holidays,hoping Batman will eventually
care.
Hmm.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Hoping that Batman will eventually care.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
Man, I was about to say Channing Tatum Gambit, like
that wasn't a huge thing, thatstill somehow didn't happen.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
Well, yeah, that's.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
You know I'm going to go.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
weird, I'm going to go weird.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
Follow me on this journey for a moment.
Keanu Reeves is Mr Sweetengu.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
Why.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Why not?
So, first off, mr Sweetenguobviously would be a sick solo
movie because it was better thanthe main character in his movie
.
Like Mr Sweetagoo obviouslywould be a sick solo movie
Because it was better than themain character in his movie.
Like, mr Sweetagoo is just aweird villain to get a solo
movie.
I don't know if Keanu Reeves isright.
Like I want someone moregrounded and angry.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Right.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Plus people seeing Keanu Reeves as just an overt
villain.
I think would be fun for KeanuReeves let's see okay oh now,
I'm just for the record, kirbydeserves a solo movie, but he

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doesn't get to be either ofthose things and you cast as
Kirbyby, as the original voiceactor of kirby, and it has to
either be the best puppetanyone's ever made or kirby's.
Uh, you, you know what is mostlikely an obscure option here.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Uh is most likely an obscure option here.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Doron to Doron.
I don't think that's asuperhero or supervillain,
though, but it is an obscuremovie.
I'll give you that.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Hey, he's kind of a superhero.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
Like I'm allowing it.
Obviously I'm allowing it.
Who do you have playing thischaracter?

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Who do I have playing the main character?

Speaker 1 (59:24):
So the thing is, I think, the main character for
that movie you need new talentfor.
I think the real question is,who do you have voicing as
Gastrodon?
Because that has to be someonebeloved playing the little
adorable demon on his shoulder.
That needs to be like.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Like Patrick Stewart, or demon on his shoulder.
That needs to be like LikePatrick Stewart, or Ooh.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
That's good.
Yes, I was going, michael Caine.
Or Ian McKellen Right, I likehow we went like gruff, like old
mad voice, for the adorablething as to him going like
Taylor.
Swift or something.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Oh, adorable thing is to have going like Taylor Swift
or something Rest in peace,duran, duran, duran.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Indeed, that's pretty obscure.
Andy Sandberg as psychicdetective Chihiro would be
pretty great that's a prettyperfect casting feeling pretty

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good about that one.
But like, obscure heroes andvillains are hard to think
because like nothing in marvelor dc is actually obscure
anymore.
The moment rocket raccoonshowed up in a film, those two
were basically.
Genres were tapped out.
Yeah, that's true.
Like you have to go in adifferent direction for
superheroes and villains.

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Like I'm not just going to belike.
You know what I'm going to doI'm going to bring back Heath
Ledger from the grave and havehim play Kefka in my Final
Fantasy VI movie.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
So I mean a movie about Jace the mind sculptor,
okay, okay okay.
I mean, if you talk to anybodyabout Magic he's pretty iconic
but outside of the nerds he'skind of unheard of.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
It's an interesting concept.
Who do you have playing him,though?
I'm curious the directionyou're going with this.
Or is it just going to be KeanuReeves again?
You know, Robert Downey Jrwould actually do a great Jace.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
Keanu Reeves is not the right answer for every role,
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
No, I feel Robert Downey Jr would do a good Jace,
actually unironically, BecauseJace is basically just Sherlock
Holmes, but wizard.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
I'm thinking a little bit more unhinged.
I really like Gene Wilder.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
That's pretty unhinged.
Yeah, I can get behind that.
And for our final question Nowthat's a Pokemon question, I'll
skip that one.
If you could rewrite the endingof any fantasy or sci-fi series
or movie, which would you pickand how would you change it?

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
well, the obvious answer is Kaido, the right
answer, but the change?

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
what would you do is so?
Here's how I'd end Kaido.
I'll help you out with this one.
Here's how I'd end.
Kaido it would be a rocks falls, everyone die line.
They would lose the negotiation, earth would be devoured into
the cube and he would say, wellplayed, and flick over a chess
piece.
That's how I would have endedit.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Yeah, okay, I would have.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
Evangelion mentioned.
It would be very satisfying,and yet not at the same time or
like I like the idea that helike wipes out the earth and
like the guy negotiated to havelike our golden disc go out into
space.
So at least humankind left arecord hmm, um, but oh, ed

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Dikaito, you made a task foryourself.
But you're right, I'm going lowhanging fruit, so I'm going
Rise of Skywalker, right?
Okay and here's how I'm fixingit.
You ready, so I'm throwing itout.
Going back to the last Jedi, thethings they said in the last
Jedi, like Rey going evil, kyloRen going good, them inverting

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the roles, the Empire and theRebels basically being wiped out
, new children learning theForce.
I would have just wrote themovie they thought they were
setting up.
And no one is living throughthat thing.
No iconic character issurviving.
It is the opposite of A NewHope.
If you have your namedcharacter, you are not living
through Richard's version of theRise of Skywalker, which

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instead is the Fall of Skywalker.
But I'm also going to give aneven easier answer for a sci-fi
fantasy series.
Check it.
Here's how I rewrite it.
At the end of Naruto, right,you following me?
Naruto and Sasuke get marriedand don't have children.
Nailed it Done, fixed man.

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Kaido's a hard one to fix.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Since the ending was so bad.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
But also so hard to end.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Cause like my thoughts are like to end, yeah
Ugh, because, like my thoughtsare like going for like the
nihilistic ending or, to quoteStar Trek Lower Decks, if both
sides leave it away from anegotiation unhappy, it means it
was successful.
So it's like, yeah, like it.
Ending with like a negotiationwhere mankind lives and he loses

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under some sort of rationalargument is just hard to do.
But is what it'd have to be?
Yeah, yeah I agree like he'dhave to do one of those the
negotiation breaks down toeffectively be you need us to be
conscious, to work as yourbattery.
So the negotiation is if you gothrough putting us in the cube,

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all of our brains will now shutoff and you get nothing.
Like you basically have to belike I'll kill us all.
You kept us alive for a reason.
The bombs have been primed.
Either leave or die.
He's like I gave you free powerand everything.
It's like not worth it.
Brah, we no deal.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Okay, now I'm getting thinking about movies that have
had mediocre endings.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
Yep, probably not the funnest topic to end on, but a
good one.
See, like there's so many animeand manga where I'm like oh
yeah, give me a pen in 30minutes and I'll fix that, but
like Bleach is weirdly fixingitself right now, so I'm just
gonna let him cook.
Oh yeah, because he's basicallywriting everything he wanted to

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write when he had cancer yeah,and then is also working on the
sequel that happens afterward tolike dive into the whole health
thing he set up and never paidoff.
Like I'm gonna let you cook.
You actually have a chance toget, not boruto yourself, naruto
also.
Like I've went in probablythree hours over this podcast
explaining how the ninja, greatninja war would be fixed by

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having four or less boss battlesin the boss rush.
At the end the last jedi isharder to like.
Rise of scarwalker is harder tofix, but it really is.
Last jedi was so polarizingthat the solution was to write a
movie that followed that,instead of trying to course
correct back into the blandestpossible route.
Like you, wanted the last movieof that trilogy to either be

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objectively good or objectivelybad, but they made it
objectively bland, which made itobjectively bad, and I'll never
not get over that dagger that'sstanding on a hill lines up to
the Death Star to find thelocation.
It's the single worst writtenthing that's ever happened.
Death Star to find the location.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
It's the single worst written thing that's ever
happened Lines up with thebroken Death Star that has not
broken down any further sincethat knife was forged.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
So bad that's perched in the ocean on a planet.
But is in the exact rightposition.
If the dagger was straight upmagic, it would have made me
less mad.
Also, you haven't seen GundamWitch from Mercury, but they
kind of forgot to have a lastbattle and I'd fix that by
having the last battle.

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Actually happens to have asparkly rainbow killing
everything.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
Okay.
So I don't know if you count amovie like Hellraiser as fantasy
.
No, I count it as sci-fi, butgo ahead.
Well, yeah, because I mean likethe Cenobites and the cube or
whatever, and at the end of themovie the main character, she
manages to escape by burningdown the house, but, um, the end

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, the actual ending is that,like A, the house burns down
like completely, like atomized,within a matter of like ten
minutes in the movie that's agood fire.
And then B, a random demon justshows up and picks up the cube
and flies away.

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I hate it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
That's the end of the movie.
I hate that so much.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
Yeah, I mean, I know that there's sequels and the
sequels might delve more intowhat exactly was happening there
but I should be standalone.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
I firmly believe that .

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Yeah, I really do.
I think, um, I think it wouldhave been just a much more
satisfying ending if she's goingthrough the rubble of the house
and she finds the cube and thenjust hucks it into the ocean.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
No one hucks enough things into the ocean.
People like to hide things inplaces they can find them.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
Well, I mean, and then it still leaves room for
the sequel where someone's doingsome undersea diving and
they're like, oh sweet treasure,and then get you know, taken in
by the centibites into theirdimension or whatever like it.
It leaves it open still becausethe cube isn't destroyed fair
so yeah and what I was thinkingof.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
That would be an easy ending.
A lot of times it's just like.
Not leaving that room for asequel, especially for manga and
anime, makes the ending so muchstronger.
So Inuasha had this dramaticending where, like the jewel
comes alive, tries to absorbthem and defeat it with the
power of love, and then she goesback through the magic well,
finishes school, then comes backto the feudal era and chooses

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to live there.
That was a huge mistake.
So one thing they missed here'swhat confused me about the
ending of Inuasha Is they didn'thave a plot device turn all the
demons into humans at the end,because Inuasha, between the
time period it takes, takesplace, which is like 100 years

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ago, and now there's no demonsat all right so I was shocked
they didn't use the wishing onthe jewel.
For the jewel to be no moredidn't just turn all the demons
into humans, and the cost shouldhave been that she could never
go home, right that's what wouldhave made the choice impactful
and the cost should have beenthat she could never go home.

(01:10:45):
Right.
That's what would have made thechoice impactful.
And then she's just her owngrandmother or some bullshit,
but yeah like they wanted toleave it open so they could
sequel it, I guess.
So they didn't like wipe thestatus quo clean.
Sort of like how the solutionto Death Note was to end it
after he killed L, instead ofbringing it back with a new,
less interesting character.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Like Tokyo Ghoul, where it's like built up all
this like immense, likehorrifying, like war stuff, and
then it's like OK, and we'rejust going to time skip and
start a whole new show.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
Then my hero's pacing Like my hero's problem was that
they rushed the ending by alsomaking it super long.
It's like we have this 200-longfight scene and didn't bother
to give them year two and threeof high school in our high
school show.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
Well, to be fair, are they even actually in school?

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
The final fight took place in the flying school, and
then JJK.
They just needed 5 lesscharacters to jump Sukunov.
That's how they were planningto end this.
I think they needed like 20less characters to jump Sakuna
and also they needed, like, ifyou're gonna use hammer person
at the end, to wake up and youset up Chekhov's hammer person.

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You waited too long for that tohave payoff like and they got
the last shot, I'm like.
But they weren't even in theshow for most of it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
They didn't even make it halfway through the show
yeah, you know I've uh, the showjump app was like read all jjk,
so I started reading it andfirstly, if you skip chapters
zero, it definitely does justfeel way more like a shonen show
.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
But then, secondly, it's like Hammerchick was gone
for so long that I didn't evenrealize she was introduced in
chapter three.
Yeah, she should have been along-running character that
mainstayed and and, but it'slike no, no, they're already
going to the, the idoltransformation.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
People get their souls transformed and die yeah,
like jjk was interesting becauseit's like they wanted to do the
naruto three-man squad and theycopied the Sakura part.
And I don't know why they did,because they wrote a way cooler
character than Sakura to thenSakura them.
The voodoo hammer concept wasactually one of their more

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inspired idea concepts for acharacter.
And they introduced prettyearly on that they were a
natural Sukuna countermeasure, anatural Sukuna's countermeasure
.
It's like they set up thisChekhov's gun, but the
battlefield was so chaotic wedidn't even care which bullets
were being fired.
Because Sukuna got killed fourtimes and like, at one point

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he's literally like well, wecrushed his heart and he should
be dead.
Oh, he did thereverse-inverse-converse by
landing a black flash he couldheal himself.
I'm like that's a rule.
Now.
I don't like that.
Why's that a rule?

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
I don't know something about the black flash
activating on full cylinders.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
A lot of these anime would take too much effort for
me to just fix the ending, tofix it Because it's like.
Kaido's such a good examplebecause they drop the ball at
the last second so here's likewhat I would really fix, so
char's counter-attack was areally good movie, except it had
two dumb things.
It had this piece of psychoframe that was like a little
t-square.

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That felt like it was superimportant, even though that's
technically what the mobile suitwas made of okay so like flies
off and does magic, sparklythings to connect the
battlefield, I'm like okay,whatever, but in the original
cut they failed to stop theasteroid.
It just hits the Earth andthat's where Gundam comes to an
end and they retconned it withthe power of friendship.
See in the original the powerof the friendship.
Everyone worked together to tryand stop it but still failed.

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But then because they all cametogether to try and stop it and
they failed.
Humanity kind of developed, andthen they retconned that with a
few more people.
So like, if you have thecourage to blow up the Earth,
commit to.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
it is my takeaway, and we're not going to do any
random questions, because thatwas the entire episode.
So yeah, you know self-carehydrate.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
Most CEOs are probably probably dragons and
technically, five of them havemore money than smaug.
The math was done more moneythan smaug, oh and let us know
in the comments how yourobjectively correct opinion
would change the ending of yourfavorite sci-fi or fantasy thing
that you think had a bad ending.
Bye correct opinion wouldchange the ending of your
favorite sci-fi or fantasy thingthat you think had a bad ending

(01:15:30):
.
Bye, bye.
I do love the.
With my objectively correctopinion, here's how I'd fix this
movie.
I would go from number three tothe second part of the trilogy,
right, and then write a moviethat follows that one logically
in any way, shape or form.
I was tempted to say I wouldfix Star Wars is pre sequel
trilogy by replacing it withdune, the best star Wars movie

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by far Well, but I'd say thatwent pretty well.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
I think so too yeah.