The Art of Reboot-Quills

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Richard and Karl explore the emerging phenomenon of "reboot-quills" - sequels that remake the original story with new characters. They discuss how these productions allow studios to secure funding by pitching familiar IPs while attempting to capture new audiences.

• Richard shares updates about attending a student gala and his transition between academic programs
• Karl discusses watching "The Bondsman" starring Kevin Bacon, prompting a conversation about media recycling
• The hosts coin the term "reboot-quill" to describe sequels that essentially remake the original story
• They analyze successful examples like Top Gun: Maverick and Tron Legacy alongside failures like Matrix 4
• The financial motivations behind reboot-quills are examined, highlighting how studios secure investor funding
• Various franchises across movies, TV shows, and anime are analyzed for their reboot-quill approaches
• The episode concludes with random questions about outsourcing experiences and renaming Earth

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello galactic travelers.
Slash monster hunters, spaceRathalos Jedi.
I don't know.
Picture Darth Vader as aRathalos.
Anyway, I'm Richard.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
And I am Carl, the co-host of this currently
unnamed podcast, because whoknows what we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
I mean I did have to like have someone look up our
podcast today because it came upin Natural Conversation and
Deep Space and Dragons is prettysolid.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yeah, well, I mean, that's the actual title.
In case anyone was confusedover 100 episodes in about what
the title of our podcast is itcould be.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
People are fascinating for their ability to
not pick up on things.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Right right.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
People are fascinating, Never underestimate
human anti-ingenuity Rightright, like never underestimate
human anti-ingenuity.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
So this is normally where I ask what's new with you,
but I want you to ask what'snew with me first this time.
Ooh, spicy, mixing it up, Allright.
All right.
What's new in the Richard verse?

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Nice, you even did the verse.
I'm so proud of you.
So, having wrapped up mysemester for whatever audience
is listening to this I'vestumbled my way into having a
bunch of things to do this week.
So, to those uninitiated, I'mbasically in a break between my
bachelor's degree and mymaster's program, and one of my

(01:22):
good friends was saying youshould come to this gala because
it happens every year and it'sour last year and we're
graduating and I said I'm cheap,so right I now have a ticket.
So now that I've been given aticket, I must go to this gala,
because the problem view thatI'm cheap defense is if someone
then gives you a ticket, youcan't really.

(01:42):
It's game over.
I've been trapped, you've beentrapped.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
You've been trapped.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Although, to be fair, it's kind of like an ultimate
hustle because I want to wear asuit and go to a gala.
That is more my scene thangoing to a club or a bar.
To be honest, I'm more likelyto succeed at waltzing than I am
at.
I can't even think of acontemporary dance.
I was about to say GangnamStyle.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
That shows how unqualified I am for this.
So wait, are you going to wearyour green Riddler suit?

Speaker 1 (02:11):
I am considering it because it's Easter.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
And this gala is Thursday night.
Yeah, alright, I think I couldright.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Like I think if I go like green suit, purple
undershirt, like I could getaway with it, yeah With, like I
could get away with it.
Yeah, like a pastel tie, but Imight just wear a suit suit
because it's a gala, but I thinkI'm going to go green vest
either way.
So like there's a little bit ofthat there.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah, but so like what?
Even?
What even is a gala?

Speaker 1 (02:39):
So a gala can mean many things In this context for
the student union.
Put redacted College, puttingon this scala it's you pay your
50 bucks, you sit down and havea nice meal, there's an open bar
and you dance and chat and it'snot overly loud, so it's more
like a classy dancing situation.
Picture a wedding.

(02:59):
Actually it's a wedding, but noone's getting married.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah, okay, I mean, I guess that does seem up your
alley.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yeah, because it's like oh, I can sit at a table
and make small talk with myclassmates while sipping.
And then my friend brought up areally good point this gal is
$50 with an open bar.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Current prices.
How much would it cost if Iwent out and had a couple drinks
?

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Well, yeah, I mean the meal plus two drinks.
You've already made your 50bucks back.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Right.
So it's efficient to go, butit's one of those things where
it's like the Stray Cat I am.
I needed to be specificallyinvited.
I fully intend to pay them backfor the ticket.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Right.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
But it was the concept that's like I will buy
you a ticket to come to thisthing and then you could pay me
back someday.
Then like, oh, you genuinelywant me there enough that you
would wait till the fall when Iget paid to pay me back for this
ticket.
Therefore, I feel justified tocome to this thing and will in
fact reimburse you for yourticket after the fact, because
for me it's the ego boost so so,gala aside, you said the

(04:08):
master's you're going into is afairly small program.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Are there any other students that are in your
current program that applied forand got into the master's, or
do you know?

Speaker 1 (04:16):
So what's interesting is in my relatively small
program and this made into theschool newsletter of 60 students
, about 15 made it into variousmaster's programs.
Okay, that's pretty good, noneare going into mine, but a good
friend of mine is going to avery similar program at a
different university, To thepoint where technically in our

(04:37):
co-op semesters it might bepossible to do a
cross-university project if wewanted to.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
To work together on our final project, Okay project
if we wanted to, to worktogether on our final project.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
Okay, so it's entirely possible that me and my
friend then make a sciencefiction magazine together
between our two colleges to havea larger pool of resources and
submissions.
That makes sense.
No one that I'm aware of isgoing direct.
I know of one person who'sgoing to my school but is going
going to a different programbecause the one I'm going to
offered communications,languages of modernity, sorry

(05:09):
literature of modernity andprofessional communications.
I picked one and then one of myfriends is going into a
different one.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Makes sense.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
So screenwriting is the one I didn't end up doing,
even though I considered it,because it was like they had a
section for game screenwriting.
But screenwriting isn't myforte.
It's one of those things I'msure I could do and happily take
a paid job doing.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Wait, is there a master's of screenwriting that
you'd be able to go into?

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah, there's three master's programs I was talking
about specifically.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Master's of screenwriting.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Yeah, master's basically just means I'm good
enough to teach people withbachelors.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
So if you have a master of screenwriting it means
you can train screenwriters,where if you have a bachelor of
screenwriters it means you canscreenwrite, kind of sort of.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Wait, can you get a doctorate in screenwriting?

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Probably.
I haven't had any experience sofar.
No, I know you could get adoctorate in communications and
you could get this interestinghybrid doctorate of, like a
literature communication hybriddoctorate.
I'm staring at.
We'll see how much school Ifeel like doing after this one
Right right, Because the oddsthat I stake in school until I

(06:25):
have a doctorate and see if theworld's still standing afterward
or not Zero.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Even in the apocalypse, you'll be able to
call yourself a doctor.
Someone will be having amedical emergency and they'll be
like, is there a doctor in here?
And you'll be like, yeah, I'm adoctor.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
Technically, sure, pretty much.
That is a great endgame.
There is a certain irony thatif I, of all people, had a
doctorate, to you personallyit'd be the funniest thing
imaginable.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
It would be pretty funny.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
So because I have my little four-month stint between
programs, I'm signing up for asmany things to do as possible.
So next weekend I go to theindie author convention because
I got like funding to go attendthis convention of independent
authors.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Of which you happen to be one.
So that's right.
So a nice segue to plug yourbooks.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
I mean, yeah, but no, like I'll do it after the
conference, because one of thelectures is literally how to
plug your books better.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
OK, I mean, I guess that's fair.
I don't want to plug your bookson our podcast in a mediocre
way I mean I'm gonna do itanyway.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yo, if you're 112 episodes in, buy the video of
sorcery and waltz of blades.
We have entertained you greaterthan the length of, I think,
all of gundam, like all of them.
Right, because we do likehour-long pod.
That's 100 hours of content.
You can buy a book.
Come on cheapskates you'regonna book.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
Come on cheapskates.
You're going to learn not tocall people cheapskates when you
go to the convention.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
No, that's probably going to be the exact tactic
because you make chicken noisesuntil they buy your book Like as
much shade as my classmatesthrow at me for being like Mr
Self-Promo in my first year itworked Like a friend of mine was
like well like how do you icebreak?
I'm like you walk up you say youhand them a business card and
say want to hear about my book,because they'll hate you but

(08:10):
they'll remember you till theday that you die.
So yeah, I'm heading to thatfor, like, some various lessons
and conferences and things.
So hopefully, if I play summerright, I'll be able to survive
on writing commissions for thesummer.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
That'd be pretty good .

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Oh yeah, I'd be so happy I mean I say survive
loosely If I end up as a writerand end up making sub-minimum
wage.
But I did it writing.
I'll probably still be prettyhappy about the outcome.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah, that would be impressive.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
So that's what's new with me is transitioning between
life phases, signing up forclasses, being forced to go to a
gala.
I got through the door likefive minutes ago because it was
my last class of the semester,so we went to the Friend Zone
Club.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
The Friend Zone Club.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
So it's supposed to be like an icebreaker
cross-program get to know eachother, sing some karaoke, play
some board games, mixer typeclub.
Okay, that is terribly named.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, that is a terrible name.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Like me and my friend enjoy poking fun at it, but we
determined the best use of yourcalling something the friend
zone is it should be a lesbianonly podcast.
I said there's like enoughlevels to irony to that to make
it not a cringy statement that'spretty funny because it's like

(09:35):
yeah, no, like anyone who's eversaid the phrase the friend zone
is a bad person or anuneducated person, and I hope
most of them are uneducated so Ican then educate them that the
friend zone doesn't exist.
Buddy, there's no amount ofhitting the gym and power thirst
that'll undo this, because it'snot a real thing.
But good try.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Power thirst.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
I stand by the power thirst callback.
So, all in all, I'm in a prettyhigh spirits right now, despite
the fact that I could bespending the next week doing
nothing, but now I have to go dothings right direct tour
between the introvert.
I actually am in the extrovert.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
I pretend to be on tv you can only pretend for so
long before it becomes true no,firmly disagree.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Looking at the state of world politics, I firmly
disagree that if you believe insomething long enough, it
becomes true.
Absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
No, no, no.
If a person pretends to besomething for long enough,
eventually it becomes true.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
No, like we got someone pretending to be a king
right now Deporting theircitizens, and we cannot let them
pretend he's king Until itbecomes true.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
That would be bad, it would be bad, it would be bad,
but I'm saying it could happen.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
I think it did happen , though I think that's why I'm
fighting so hard back againstthis is I'm pretty sure he did
just pretend to be a king longenough until he gained the power
to somehow ignore the entireSupreme Court.
Hypothetically, if we weretalking about such a real-world
figure, guess who we're talkingabout?
Geared zombie.
Who are we talking about?
Such a real-world figure?

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Guess who we're talking about Girid Zabi or a
current American politician?

Speaker 1 (11:09):
It's tough to say oh man, I swear, real world's more
ridiculous than fiction.
Eisen's got nothing on some ofthese politicians.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Well, Eisen had no political ambition.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
Yeah, but Eisen's hypnosis was less effective than
some news organizations atconvincing people of things that
are just blatantly untrue, LikeI don't even think Aizen's
kogetsu sigetsu could convincesomebody that repeated market
crashes while people were doingmass insider trading was good
for the price of their groceries.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Well, anyway.
Also this is a parody podcast.
Don't sue.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Don't sue us, please do not sue us, do, do I should
actually record a pre-reel, likethe technologies there that we
could do a we're a comedy, don'tsue us.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Disclaimer and auto put it retroactively on every
episode I mean we, we definitely, maybe we should at this point.
I mean, we try to avoidpolitics, but eventually it'll
come up in some way or another.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
It's so hard to avoid politics as a writer, so like
right now, one politician wantsto defund the CBC Canadian
Broadcasting Company and replaceit with nothing, which will
result in foreign media,predatory algorithms, meta and
darkness filling more newsstories.

(12:32):
The other side's like no.
Public broadcasting is goodbecause it keeps our Canadian
culture alive.
As a writer, my side is spokenfor.
I can't vote against the personwho wants Canadian literature to
succeed versus the one thatwants to slash it completely.
Because CBC does a lot of bookpublishing, book promotion,

(12:55):
radio promotion and probablyemploys some of the most
creatives in Canada of anybusiness.
And the arts need funding fromthe Canadian government or they
die and we don't have arts.
And if we don't have arts weget culturally indoctrinated and
then we get aforementionedpeople talking themselves into
being literal god kings.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Right right.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Coming out saying my physical says I'll live till I'm
a million, despite beingvisibly fat, so it's so hard.
I personally try to keep mysocial medias and things
anti-political.
One party's gonna fund me, theother one's not gonna.
I think I have a vestedinterest and there's not a whole
lot I can do to stay impartisanon that one that is fair like.

(13:39):
imagine if you're in mysituation where one party will
give a tax cut to small businessowners at pizzerias and the
other one's going to defundpizzerias, ban them and deport
you for working at one.
Who are you voting for?
Because?

Speaker 2 (13:54):
they say that pizzerias quote encourage people
to be corrupt.
That would make my vote clear.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Pretty easy.
Right, they made it easy for me, but I digress, that's enough
about me for now, I supposewhat's new with you?

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Oh, uh have you heard of the show the Bondsman with
Kevin Bacon?

Speaker 1 (14:21):
I've heard of Kevin Bacon.
I heard he was one of theAvengers.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
He did get kidnapped by the Guardians of the Galaxy
for the Christmas special.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Marvel deep cuts aside.
Rest in peace.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Marvel Universe, it ended in a game my fiance.
She, is a big fan of KevinBacon and his work.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Honestly Based.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
So we saw the show the Bondsman.
I believe it's on Prime TV.
I don't know.
We have so many streamingservices.
I never know what's on what.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
I don't really want to make a Canadian streaming
service.
That's just Canada TV, that'sjust Canadian content, that's
clearly labeled.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
That would be pretty excellent.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
We could sell people house hippos again.
I would absolutely put thosehistory moments on the streaming
service instead of commercials.
It would be great.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
So we decided to watch the first episode.
We ended up watching the wholeseries.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
That's usually a good sign or a really bad sign?

Speaker 2 (15:31):
It was good.
After watching the firstepisode, I found myself thinking
that it was like more gory andviolent Supernatural.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Oh good, because Supernatural was weirdly PG-13
for what they were trying to do.
It really was.
It's the cw effect.
Like the cw will be like.
Well, we'll have people die ingraphic gun violence.
But, oh man, does everyonesleep wearing a sheet around
their body in full clothing?

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yeah, but so I mean, the basic premise of the show is
that this bondsman, bailiffbondsman, he dies, goes to hell
and then gets brought back as ademon bounty hunter.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
You know what?
I think we should do somethingnew for our podcast going
forward, I think we'll go what'sNew With Us and the Can't Be
Show Reviews, but then we'regoing to go New Show of the Week
and then go into our properpodcast.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
So that way we each say what's new with us and then
give like a new show and then gointo our normal topic.
Well see, I really enjoyed theshow.
Just a quick recap.
I would recommend watching it.
It was a fun watch.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
I'm not saying you're not allowed to talk about it.
I'm saying we need toacknowledge this in our runtime.
So these chapter markers areaccurate.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
But, as I said, I likened it to Supernatural,
which is somewhat untrue, but itgot me thinking about I don't
know I can't cite where I heardthis, but it kind of seems to be
anecdotal.
It seems to be anecdotally truethat markets for cinema don't

(17:17):
want something new.
We want reboots, we wantsequels, we want spin-offs.
What's just the?

Speaker 1 (17:25):
safer financial investment to pitch to your
backers has never been about us.
It's a movie studio can gettheir funding easier if they
know they have a certainguaranteed audience.
That's it.
That's all it is.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Yeah, I mean.
I just I'm wondering, becauseit almost seems like it's some
sort of like Stockholm Syndrome,where the mainstream media, a
lot of the mainstream audiences,have come to believe that that
is what's good for us is, arethese reboots and remakes?

Speaker 1 (17:53):
I'm going to have to give my hot take and stop you on
that one.
So here's what's actuallyhappening with these reboots and
remakes?

Speaker 2 (17:59):
And I would bet hypothetical money on it.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
I have a bachelor's degree now I know things.
So here's what I think ishappening and I'm going to put
this in the disclaimer.
This is just my theory.
When you go to make a movie, noone ever uses their own money
for anything anymore.
Like you know that billionairesjust borrow money based on
their assets and then borrowmoney to pay off the money in an
infinite circle, so they don'tpay taxes, right?

(18:23):
So to pay out the money in aninfinite circle, so they don't
pay taxes, right?
So no one owns anything and noone buys anything.
When you go to make a movie,these days you don't pay to get
your movie made.
You pay investors to invest inyour movie.
If you have an existing IP, youcan show those investors
numbers and projections, right?
So if you say okay, iron man 3gave this much money, let's do

(18:48):
iron man 4 or iron spider, andwe can assume iron spider would
fall somewhere between iron man4 and iron man 1.
Now it doesn't actually matter.
The movie does that good.
What matters is that theinvestors will give them the
money to make this movie so theydon't have to use their own
money to make this movie.
Which is why we're in thisbasically proto-ai slop of

(19:09):
regurgitating concepts is youcan pitch an existing concept.
Even when pitching new novelsyou're recommended to go x
proper property, xx property, asyour pitch.
Like.
My new novel is Ghost in theShell meets I don't know the
Canterbury Tales.
I think that's the actual one Iused in class.

(19:31):
My upcoming novel is Ghost inthe Shell meets the Canterbury
Tales.
So that way the people havelike an idea of what you're
doing.
But the studios are too lazy toblend two ideas and they just
say I'm doing Spider-Man inspace.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Okay.
So yeah, even like going back,say 35 years did good, old 1990
when Jurassic Park was published.
Jurassic Park, the movie cameout in 1993, a great box office

(20:09):
success.
But it's there's like a ton ofof movies that are are still
just pitches for the books, likeeven before this studio
influence that you're talkingabout.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
Yeah Well, it's so much easier to make two things.
First, there's still alwaysbeen investors Like.
You can't go back far enoughthat you don't try to get
investors Before we had as longof a catalog of movies.
What do you base your movie onthat you already know is
successful?
Fair enough than they make onthe actual book sales.

(20:59):
Yeah, people will deliberatelywrite books to be optioned as
movies, because they'll pay youfor the rights to it and never
make the movie, but they mightwant to someday.
And if you're making a $20million movie, giving some dude
$220,000 for their thing is asmall cost of the movie.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Fair enough.
$20 million would be anextremely cheap movie by modern
standards oh yeah, but if it'smy book but so I mean, um, as it
turns out, I've been thinkingabout a lot of, like, my
favorite movies.
Um, so it's like the princessbride was based on a book.

(21:36):
I've read the book.
I like to read the bookversions of movies.
Uh, but the bride, the, thesecret of nym, that was a great
movie, I like.
I read the book too.
Um, shawshank redemption yeah,oh man, I didn't realize.
Apparently that's based on astephen king book.
Uh, so now I haven't haven'tbeen able to find it.
It's probably not that hard ifI actually really want it,

(21:57):
probably not, but I mean mediccan find it to find it.
It's probably not that hard if Iactually really want it?

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Probably not.
I mean Meta can find it andscrape it for their AI so you
should be able to find itlegitimately.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
But the main reason they actually brought up
Jurassic Park is because that isan incredible.
The first movie was incredible,the second movie was alright,
the third movie didn't reallyneed to exist, and then Jurassic
World as a whole.
They're coming out with thefourth one.
I didn't realize.
The third one did well enoughTo even support the idea of

(22:29):
being in the fourth one ForJurassic World, but apparently,
but I'm actually I'm curiouswhere it all started.
So I was trying to find this, acopy of Jurassic Park the book.
Yeah, we went to the usedbookstore and they didn't have
any copies there.
It was too bad.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Still proud of you for going to the used bookstore
in general.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Well, I mean tangent.
Well, I mean tangent.
I bought that one book at theused bookstore called A Magical
Girl Retires.
Yeah, that book was absolutelyfascinating.
I thought you were about to saychanged my life, and then you

(23:16):
did no, it didn't change my life, Are you sure?
No, I'm not going to like goout and try and cause or fight
climate change by using thepower of time, Are you sure?

Speaker 1 (23:27):
If you had the ability to do so, don't even be.
Don't have me with thisnonsense I call bullshit.
You'd absolutely go do this.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Just be careful, because magical girl powers
awaken through tragedy, yeah,but your life's been pretty
chill.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
So like your tragedy would be like you open a muffin
and then it falls on the floor.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
And then I become the magical quote-unquote girl of
time I was going to say gravity.
Because I wanted to turn backtime.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Right where, like my life, it's a problem I have to
be traumatized.
Like like different peoplerequire different amounts of
traumatized.
Like one of my good friendsputs my trauma to shame and I'm
like, oh, your aunt just raninto the jungle.
It never returned.
Huh, oh, I don't want to knowwhat it did take to traumatize
you.
Oh, anyways, to traumatize youUh-oh.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Anyways, back to the topic at hand.
Unfortunately they did have arandom South Korean translated
novel, but they did not haveMichael Creighton's Jurassic
Park.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
I think you won in that exchange.
One of those sounds far moreinteresting.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Well, but so then we went to Indigo, a Canadian
bookstore.
Do I have beef with?

Speaker 1 (24:46):
Indigo.
I don't think I can have beefwith Indigo.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Anyway.
No, you don't have to, they'reCanadian.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yeah, but what have they done for me recently?
They ate Barnes Noble who stockmy book.
Hmm, what have they done for merecently?
Like they ain't Barnes Noblewho stock my book, although, to
be fair, after I go see theseminar, they might tell me how
to get into Indigo.
Yeah, I'm not going to pick afight with Indigo.
That seems stupid.
That seems very unfortunate.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yeah who knows, maybe one day they will sponsor our
podcast and then we'll actuallybe some sort of writing podcast
Also there's like very decentchance I do a book signing at
Indigo.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Like why would I pick a fight with Indigo?
That's just foolish.
I do have beef historicallywith chapters, but that's a
whole other thing.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Hmm.
Anyways, it turns out thatIndigo does have new copies of
well, quote-unquote, new copiesof Jurassic Park.
I say new copy because they'venever been read, but I picked it
up it was only $15.
It's pretty cheap and actually,if I am so inclined, I feel

(25:52):
like I could get most of thatback in credit at the used
bookstore and then just buy moreused books and pay it forward,
you know.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
I support this life hack.
This is such a good infinitemoney glitch because it's
actually just infinite textglitch.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Right.
But I grab the book, I pay forit and then I look at the cover
and it says it's the 25thanniversary edition.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
That would have been like 2015,.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Maybe, yeah, yeah, like I said, said the book came
out in 1990, so the 25thanniversary oh, 2005 would have
been 2015.
I have a bachelor's degree sothat makes me wonder.
And actually, what's new withme ends with a question for you

(26:41):
there, richard spicy.
Um, was this book just sittingon the shelf at chapter or
indigo for 10 years?
Like what do they do?
What do bookstores even do withthe overstock of things like
that?
Where?

Speaker 1 (26:55):
it's like, this is like a full class, but oh man, I
don't know.
This will be hard to give you asuccinct answer because there's
some variables.
But in essence how it works outis and one of my professors got
a negative invoice on one oftheir book sales because of this
Because bookstores order copiesof books right.
And then after a certain periodthat's in the contract for that

(27:16):
book expires, they get sentback to the publisher Then the
publisher can either pulp themor try and purge them on a
discount.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
I see.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
So in the case of this Jurassic Park book, what
probably happened is it actuallyprobably has been sitting on
the shelf the entire time,because if it wasn't selling,
they would have shipped theirshipment of them back to the
warehouse and if they had thestorage, they would have shipped
their shipment of them back tothe warehouse and if they had
the storage, they would havekept them stored.
But if they're a smallpublisher, they would have
popped them down into freshpaper.

(27:48):
I see there's probably just amassive warehouse for when they
release this book with aprobably Jurassic Park movie,
that just has infinite editionsof this book and when they run
out, they just order from thatstock of them.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
I kind of thought that this Jurassic Park book was
supposed to be in line with.
Like I said, I saw a trailerfor a new Jurassic World movie
Jurassic World.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
So, like I said, it's a complicated question.
I'm not sure I did the answerjustice Because there's a lot of
factors, like for someone likeme, for example, because of how
my books are ordered there is nolike printer to get shipped
back to.
So I can't get charged overage.
But it's entirely possible forlike people to Chapters which I
had beef with earlier, for thething they did in the late 90s,

(28:39):
early 2000s is they'd order tonsof books to fill up their
shelves and then after theperiod expired, return them all
because they were ordering morebooks and they knew they would
sell to make their shelves lookmore full, to look like a bigger
store.
And then these publishers wouldtake massive losses Because
chapters opened a distributioncenter, also named Chapters, so
they could get distributorprices to then distribute them

(29:01):
to their own bookstore.
So it's basically they made awarehouse, bought at warehouse
prices to sell to themselves,knowing it wouldn't sell, to
then send back to theirwarehouse, to send back to the
publishers to eat up the damage.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
I see that does seem a little bit seedy and I haven't
.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
I think I might be paraphrasing this because, like
I said, it's weirdly complex and, despite this being like a
degree in publishing, I'd haveto look into the specific story
of this book and the specificstory of this to give you the
correct answer because it's asurprisingly complex process but
yeah, basically what's new withme is that I've been on a

(29:42):
tirade of uh reading books thathave movie adaptations, and my
sites are set on jurassic park,now nice but yeah.
So, man, I really feel like Ididn't answer that question
justice, but it's true that forsomething like if a smaller
press like Redacted Press thatone of my professors works at,

(30:06):
sent out like 50 books to Indigo, a time period would expire
where they want to pull thoseoff the shelf and put something
else on because they're notselling.
And it's in the contract ofwhat that period of time is for
them to send that book back sothey can then stock 30 copies of
Twilight in its spot.
And then the publisher ifthey're too small and don't have
the storage to hold all oftheir books ever will then try
and flash sale them and sellthem and if they still remain to

(30:29):
not eat up the storage cut,they'll either cut the covers
off the book and send them tosuper bulk stores or literally
pulp them back into fresh paper.
Yeah, okay, yeah that's justyour book.
Lesson Did that answer yourquestion.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
That answered it adequately.
I mean, yeah, like you say, thespecifics of this 35-year-old
book that's probably been on theshelf for 10 years, we don't
know.
Well, that's what I'm saying,saying because it probably
hasn't been.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
What happens is they would have looked at literally
their inventory system and belike we're low on Jurassic Parks
because it's an evergreen titleand they just order more
Jurassic Parks and the versionof Jurassic Park they get is
whatever version they happen tohave from that distributor.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Because they do have the storage space.
That makes sense.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
And then you get some of these sketchy things like
Lord of the Rings being like wehave the Rings of Power edition,
so if you order those, we'llsend you these ones that promo
our new movie.
And then booksellers will belike no, I don't want that
version.
They're like too bad, the olderversion costs more Because we
got paid to sell this version.
Jeez oh yeah, got paid to tellthis version, jeez, oh yeah,

(31:42):
it's an interesting industry, tosay the least.
So on to our topic.
Half an hour in, now that we'vetalked about the Bondsman and
you never told me if that wasbased on a book Like the tangent
, didn't really go anywhereother than it's a cool book.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
A cool show.
Well, I mean, that tangent wasmore so just about like the
general state of movies, I guess, and movies and television
where we just seem to be eatingup this regurgitated, remade
content.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Yeah, to the point where.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
I'm guilty of that.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
So they released a new Gundam series on Prime last
week.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
It's Gundam G-U-U-U-U-U-U-U-E-X.
There's a bunch of U's in it,gundam.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Quicks.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
And the premise is that it's an alternate retelling
of the One Year War.
Not really, zeon won the OneYear War and that's where this
series starts.
So the premise is Charsuccessfully stole the Gundam,
so the One Year War is differentand we're following this
alternate timeline.
On one hand, that falls guiltyto your criticism of it's a

(32:44):
remake, but it's also not aremake because all the
characters in this are new,because it's not in that
timeline other than, like maybeChar we don't actually know if
he's in the Gundam and a coupleobscure Zeon side characters
that I recognize and no saneperson should.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
Right.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
And it's like, on one hand, it's not really a remake
and on the other hand, ifanything deserves a remake, it's
1960s Mobile Suit Gundam,because I've tried to watch that
trilogy and it does not hold upBecause of graphics alone, like
just production quality.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
It's kind of like Just an interesting thing to me
that it's Even when I sawsomething new, I immediately
compared it To something oldNamely supernatural, and then,
actually watching the Bonds menu, it's like that's not actually
A fair comparison at all.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
Well, here's where it gets interesting.
It's mnemonic evolution, right?
Like we throw a lot of shade atshow and jump for this because
you can, because we've been oldenough to watch show and jump in
our lifetime, it's really easyto see what shows are ripping
off, what shows supernatural isjust jonah hex yeah, okay and
dc's.
Jonah hex is probably theclosest thing to the bondsman of

(33:59):
undead cowboy hiding monstersin the wild west.
And supernatural is like.
Supernatural is a monsterhunting western set with 90s
tropes, or well, I guess morelike 80s tropes right but it's a
western, by the way.
Like they wander into town,kill the monster right right off
on their horse, which is achevy impala right so I'm not

(34:23):
surprised your brain instantlywent there.
But that's just how your brainsorts information too right,
like I could be like freeruns,like lord of the rings, about
autistic elves, it's like no,it's not.
Not every fantasy is lord ofthe rings.
In fact, most fantasies aren'tlord of the Rings at all.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Right.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
If anything, free Run would be Dragon Quest with
elves or like straight up D&D.
Like a good homebrew D&Dlocation is probably closer to
where Free Run takes place thanLord of the Rings is, since
there's mimic chests and booktomes.
Yeah, all right.
So what do we want?

Speaker 2 (34:57):
to talk about.
There's mimic chests and booktomes.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
Yeah, all right.
So what do we want to talkabout?
We didn't really discuss this.
We're down to two topics youfeeling show and jump roundup.
You feeling weird superpowermatchups Because I'm not as
prepared as I should be forweird superpower matchups or do
you have an interesting thirdtopic?
Do you want to just keeptalking about book pulping and

(35:20):
reboots that aren't reallyreboots of things?

Speaker 2 (35:24):
well, I mean in that vein.
It's like, since I'm in thebrain space of Jurassic Park,
it's like Jurassic World wasalmost a shot forshot remake of
Jurassic Park, but it was also acontinuation, for, like the

(35:47):
Star Wars, the Force Awakens wasalmost a shot-for-shot remake.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
I was just making that verbatim.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Yeah, almost a shot-for-shot remake of A New
Hope, but it was still like acontinuation sequel and I was
like I don't know how many moreexamples there are of that, but
that's still like a continuationsequel and I was like I don't I
don't know how many moreexamples there are of that, but
that's kind of a weird trendwhere it's like a reboot sequel
so like the reboot quill yeah,I'm gonna call it a reboot quill
.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
So it's kind of funny , is it's like?
When we're talking adaptations,there's like the terrible ghost
in the shell reboot, whichwasn't a reboot, well, it was
just ghost in the shell, but wewhitewashed it and made a live
action.
But reboot quills areinteresting, the idea where it's
a sequel, but you're alsoredoing the story.
So the sequence of the sevendeadly sins anime is an
interesting one, because theybasically are like.

(36:30):
So they made a sequel anime toseven deadly sins, called four
nights of the apocalypse okayand the main character follows
percival has nothing to do withthe main cast, but it basically
boils down to every one of theSeven Deadly Sins kids teaming
up to form their squad to fightKing Arthur, who's the evil
emperor.
And then you realize that thepremise of Seven Deadly Sins, of
oh, I need to find this elitetroop of knights to save the

(36:52):
kingdom it's like they kind ofrebooted it while making it a
sequel.
So I wouldn't hesitate to callthat a reboot brute quill,
because yeah this episode's onreboot quills now, because this
is going to be a fun thoughtexperiment.
Games are also interesting forthis, so I recently binged the
devil may cry anime.
Okay, the devil may cry animeis awesome.

(37:14):
There is a scene and I'm gonnahave to use up my f-bomb here
where the game, where the showknows it's Doofy.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Right.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
And it knows it's trying to be edgy, which is why
it has Linkin Park sing the OMVwhen it opens.
There's a scene where Dantedrives this motorcycle off the
back of a ramp truck right.
Does a flip, grabs thehandlebars midair, the enemy
says that's so fucking cool andthen gets hit by the motorcycle.
Okay, and it's like for theReboot Quill idea which could

(37:45):
have went into our earlieradaptations idea.
But in this one it's like okay,they want to take characters'
concepts and locations for DevilMay Cry, but they want to make
it fresh.
So it's like there's a scene inthe original Devil May Cry
where he shoots a pool ball tohit a bunch of pool balls in
there to hit a bunch of enemies.
They do that scene in thisDevil May Cry.

(38:05):
But this Devil May Cry isn'tattached to the old one in any
way and it wasn't like theyretold the story of Devil May
Cry 1.
They retold a story withdifferent characters that fits
the themes and the basic settingof Devil May Cry.
So it was more like properadaptation.
But reboot quills areinteresting because it's when
you do that while keeping yourprevious show intact.

(38:26):
Somehow, like Boruto wanted tobe a reboot quill so bad it did
it desperately wanted to do thatYashihime the Inuasha one did a
reboot quill where it was likethey had.
Shishomaru's kid Desperatelywanted to do that Yashihime the
Inuasha one did a reboot quillwhen it was like they had.

(38:48):
Shishomaru's kid fall throughthe well to meet the demons, to
collect the MacGuffin shards, solike it was like a sequel, but
like they literally, magicallysealed away all the characters
that would be strong enough tojust solve the problem.
So they just had to had to goon their adventure.
It wasn't as good, but I thinkit would fall in reboot-quill
territory.
I was actually reallydisappointed in Yashihime for a
dumb reason.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
So Inuasha had slow pacing and was shockingly
violent.
Right, the sequel show had fastpacing where every episode was
one, being like one episode.
It was one episode thinghappened instead of Iwasha's two
episode things happened.
But the slower pace is good forbuilding anxiety and horror in
a way.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
I'm not saying.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
Iwasha was a horror series but I'm saying giving the
mad switching doctor a coupleepisodes to breathe kind of made
things unravel at a pace.
So Yashihime is running throughthe show but also it just
doesn't have blood in.
It just doesn't at all, like noone ever bleeds or gets injured
and I'm like, alright, inuwashwasn't the edgiest show in the

(39:50):
world, but you're a directsequel.
You should be as violent as theoriginal yeah so it's like his
attack, where he like, cuthimself and threw blood blades,
was just like lazy particleeffects.
I'm like why do you look worse?
Inuyasha wasn't a high bar, thebar for quality that was.

(40:10):
Inuyasha was on the floor.
Why is this lower quality?

Speaker 2 (40:15):
So does Rurouni Kenshin or any of those.
It's been redone a few times,hasn't it?
Are any of those reboot quills,or are those all just reboots?

Speaker 1 (40:25):
If we're going reboot quill, you know that last
chapter where Yasha's hero runsout and is like the new Kenshin
and doesn't want to draw a swordand catches someone's sword in
their hand.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
That felt like it was heading in that direction.
But you know what's a rebootquill the heading in that
direction.
But you know what's a rebootquill the fourth Matrix movie?
That's a perfect example ofthis trope.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
A perfect example of how most often the reboot quills
aren't actually as good as theoriginal.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
That's Because it's like people don't want to watch
a shot-by-shot remake, so makinga sequel canon but hit the same
.
Plot beats like.
I see the strategy but alsothey forgot to have, like Keanu,
do any cool martial arts.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
He, like force pushed people, for the most part on
the back of a motorcycle well, Imean that might also have been
due to scheduling conflicts,because he was like so busy
doing martial arts and stuff forJohn Wick at the time also,
there's no reason to release aMatrix movie while John Wick's
still going.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
That's just a mistake .

Speaker 2 (41:24):
I agree.
And then it's like I can tellyou the basic premise of all
three Jurassic Park movies, andthey all kind of follow the same
themes about geneticmanipulation and whether or not

(41:47):
they're trying to profit off ofit.
By Every time they go to theisland someone's trying to steal
data, genetic information, tobe able to profit off of these
dinosaurs.
But so then the reboot quill.
It was like okay, it wasJurassic Park 1.
Jurassic World 2, I don't evenremember what that one was about

(42:08):
.
I'm pretty sure it was like ashot-for-shot remake of Jurassic
Park 2, but I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
I actually just thought of a good reboot quill,
though.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
Tron Legacy.
Ooh Because Tron Legacy?
Ooh, because Tron Legacy was adirect sequel to Tron.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Tron 1982's Tron was not a good movie.
It was an interesting movie.
Tron Legacy in 3D in IMAX withmoving chairs in 3D, while
slightly toasted, was afantastic movie.
But it's like it was newcharacters, new visual style,
new everything.
But also they had to like beatfor beat, explain.

(42:45):
This is Tron.
You're in the computer, here'sthe circuits, here's the hover
cycles.
But also the character Tron wasa character in Tron Legacy.
So I'm going to say Tron Legacywas a good reboot quill,
because I think one of thehallmarks of a reboot quill is
you get bonus rewards.
A good one.
If you watch the original, youget bonus rewards, but you don't
have to because, like Star Wars, force Awakens, you don't have

(43:08):
to watch any other Star Warsmovies for that to work.
Like another good example wouldbe X-Men, days of Future Past.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Oh yeah, that one was pretty interesting.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Because it was like an x-men origins movie, while
being in the past and also thefuture um, yeah, that one was
pretty interesting.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
I think the best example of a good reboot goal,
though, uh, is Top Gun Maverick.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Yes, oh, that was a good one, mmm tasty, that one
was so much better than theoriginal movie.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
It was even based on Tron Legacy, I guess, falls in
that same category.
But oh man, top Gun Maverickwas so good.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
Like Tron Legacy.
I still stand by Tron Legacy.
I'm telling you, go buy somelegal edibles and watch Tron
Legacy at 2 in the morning withfriends.
It is a good time.
But these prequels are probablywhy I have to give like 8
qualifiers.
You know what's terrible forbeing?
I just blanked on our word forthis Reboot Quill.

(44:16):
But not a terrible movie wasJumanji.
Welcome to the Jungle.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
So, being a video game with the Rock body swapping
, it had nothing to do withJumanji.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Right.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
It just wasn't a good Jumanji sequel.
It was just a different kind ofdoofy movie.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Hmm.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
So I didn't hate Jumanji Welcome to the Jungle
but I don't think it worked well.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Right, it actually had no business being a Jumanji
movie.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Kind of like no blatant reboot Quill.
Ghostbusters, Afterlife,Blatant, Blatant reboot Quill,
Not even trying to hide it.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Yeah, no, they did not even try to hide that at all
.
It was 100% a shot-for for shotremake of the first one.
Uh, but then all the charactersexcept for spangler showed up,
because his well, I mean he didshow up as a so here's probably
the most like renowned rebootquill that's come up recently

(45:17):
Cobra Kai.
Cobra Kai.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Have you seen Cobra Kai yet?

Speaker 2 (45:23):
I have not seen Cobra Kai.
I'm a little bit curious if Ineed to watch Cobra Kai to be
able to understand Karate KidLegends, which is a reboot quill
proper.
That's like a double rebootquill, it looks like, because Mr
Miyagi and his student and thenJackie Chanagi and his student
and then Jackie Chan not hisstudent anymore.
But you know, like rebootingand sequeling two different

(45:47):
Karate Kid movies.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Cobra Kai was sick, though Just turns out Karate Kid
works better as a series.
Who knew?

Speaker 2 (45:56):
As a series about adults, because you do always
talk about how aging up theprotagonist just makes sense.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
Well, it's also a rebuke rule because, like the
adults, they're still the actualkids, like.
That's the point.
Is each one, like Romeo andJuliet trains up their fighters
to like learn nothing from thekarate kid, Like both the good
guy and the bad guy, trainingnew fighters to beat each other
up means neither of them learnedanything from their movie, and

(46:21):
that's kind of what makes itgreat okay, how many seasons of
Cobra Kai are there?

Speaker 2 (46:27):
I think there's four.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
I enjoyed Cobra Kai, so I'm just trying to think of
some other like reboot quillsbecause it seemed to be like a
pretty like tight one.
Here's a good one for me that Idon't know if you'll have any
relation to.
The Neo Genesis Evangelionmovies was wild.
So it looked like they werejust doing HD remasters of

(46:51):
Evangelion, like theyre-released the Evangelion 1.0,
and you're like, oh, it's aretelling.
And then you realize theychanged a few things, like okay.
And then by the end of it yourealize it's a direct sequel to
Evangelion and it's the 13thtime they've wiped out humanity
and you see the dead bodies ofthe other protagonists floating
in space.
From the last try at it.

(47:13):
It was such a good reboot Quill,because not only did it catch
me off guard, it ended well.
I am satisfied with how NeonGenesis Evangelion ended.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Despite being one of the most convoluted series in
history.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Despite being a reboot quill of the most
convoluted series in history,with a questionable fan base, a
suicide watch director, Like thefact that they did it and and
it ended and they landed theplane is insane.
They took like nine, like ittook like 12 years to get
through that sequel series orlike 15 or something did not

(47:47):
think it was gonna land theplane.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
There's a bad one Terminator Dark Fate ooh yeah,
terminator Dark Fate was, wasnot what see it?
Terminator Dark Fate was not.
See again, I understand whystudios or creatives need to
pitch existing ideas to be ableto get funding to actually make

(48:14):
their idea, but it just makes meso sad if you have a cool idea
and like, it makes me sad thatyou can't just believe in the
strength of your idea and makesomething good, as people have
their dollar right, like aswe're talking about the
minecraft movie the other dayyou can't make these movies
exist.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
You have to either invest in them, make them or
watch them, but, mostimportantly, not watch the
garbage the moment you buy aticket for the Grudge 2020,.
You did this.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
I mean that is fair.
I not exactly hate watch, but Ido frequently watch video game
adaptations just to see if theyare as bad as I expect them to
be.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
And that's the thing the Minecraft movie did better
than any other adaptation inhistory.
Therefore, they're going tomake more movies like that
because it made the billions ofdollars.
I actually brought inMinecraft-themed plates to our
wrap-up party today because Iwanted to see how people reacted
.
They're like, who brought theMinecraft plates?
And I was like like going tomyself minecraft is a big deal.

(49:22):
I had someone look me in theeyes, be like minecraft is my
favorite intellectual propertyof all time.
What, unironically, and I'm likeit's kind of funny to be like
one of the ogs where minecraftwas just nothing yeah, minecraft
was literally just creativemode and there like weren't even
any enemies or anything likeand like we mean, you played
minecraft pretty freaking earlyinto the pipeline, as it were.

(49:46):
So yeah, I was gonna dragonball super, not a reboot quill
no no, I I would say there's amovie at the end of gt that's
like about goku jr and vegeta jr.
That gets close.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Hmm.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
And Not Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood it's weird
, but it wouldn't count.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
We already talked about how the Brotherhood
doesn't land emotionally withoutthe first one.
But you kind of have to stopwatching the first one partway
through because otherwise you'llget messed up, you know what
kind of works, though.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Yu-Gi-Oh GX as a reboot quill is actually a fair
argument.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
That's fair, I got an interesting question.
Well, maybe not interesting,but I got a question for you.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
It's probably interesting.
If not, we wouldn't do ApplePodcasts.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
I guess actually the Harry Potter TV series wouldn't
actually count as a reboot quote, because it'll just be a reboot
.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
But it's so funny because they're going to cast
Snape as a minority and notrealize the implications that
Harry Potter's jock fatherbullies the only minority in
Hogwarts.
The internet's loving this.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
But yeah, I guess that doesn't really count as a
rebootquel, because it justseems like it's going to be a
straight reboot.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Right, like a rebootquel would be like Harry
Potter and the Cursed Child,where you just have his son go
through Hogwarts but it's haveall the same plot beats.
Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

(51:33):
Um, I would say a good reboot.
Cool though, was william notwilliam shatner, star trek, the
one without william shatner.
When they did it like a starwars style movie, I think they
just called it star trek, andthen they redid wrath of khan
afterward.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Rathacon afterward oh , the Into Darkness.
Yeah, star Trek Into Darkness.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
That trilogy.
That was a decent reboot QuillBecause technically it was canon
, because old Spocktime-traveled back to create the
new timeline.
It was a whole thing and I'mlike, yeah, no, that's legit.
It's easy to do a reboot Quillof time-travels.
That's straight up plot point.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
I mean, that is definitely true.
Um, and I I would say that Ipersonally enjoyed those movies.
Uh, I feel like they got apretty negative review from
actual fans, though, like notthat I am somewhat of a fan of
star trek, but I'm not like a sohere's the thing about star
trek fans.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
there's real star trek fans that are human beings
that watch star trek, and thenthere's internet star Trek fans
that are human beings that watchStar Trek, and then there's
internet.
Star Trek fans that have been soused to be bullied for their
Star Trek takes that they getoffended that normal people like
Star Trek now.
So it's just like.
No, like actual Star Trek fansdon't get mad at Star Trek

(52:41):
properties.
Actual fans of anything don'ttypically get mad at that
property for existing and tellother people they're wrong for
liking it.
That's just some sort of likenonsense.
I think like another rebootquill that comes to mind, but I
don't think I made you watchthis one is Macross.

(53:02):
Frontier is interesting becauseit's like a direct sequel to
Mac, is interesting because it'slike a direct sequel to macross
.
But also it's like hey, we havethe dynamic at the pop star,
the pilot, the aliens.
It's like they have like a lotof like similar story beats even
though they have differentaliens I see but they do
reference that.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
It's like a thing to a thing you know I it's been so
long since I watched Macross andMacross itself.
Is this weird amalgamation oftwo other series?

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Oh no, I'm saying Macross, not Robotech.
Robotech's the amalgamation.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Okay, so I've watched Robotech, but I don't know that
I've watched Macross.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
It was nearly impossible to.
Just recently, Disney Plusmanaged to pry the rights for
everything except the original,and if Disney can't get it, if
Disney somehow cannot getsomething they want from Harmony
Gold, it's over.
They're the most powerful forceon the planet.
Disney failed to get theoriginal Macross from them.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
What do they even want for it?

Speaker 1 (54:07):
You to not have it.
They've decided that theirweird amalgamation anime is pure
art and there's no force onthis planet that will have them
give back the pieces they madeinto their amalgamation.
They're like no, you're notgoing to release my crossover
here.
It'll conflict with Robotech,and I'm like did Disney not
offer you enough money?
Cause, like, or is it just apride thing?

(54:30):
Now, I hope it's just a pridething, I really do.
I hope Harmony Gold's just likeno, we'd rather die than
acknowledge that Robotech wasthree separate shows and give
you back the Macross junk.
We refuse, we worked hard onthis.
Like, this is just such a funmental picture.
Also, you know what we didn'tcount as reboot quills, yet

(54:51):
there's like constant of themEvery horror franchise that has
more than 10 movies.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Oh yeah, there's definitely been lots of reboot
quills of horror movies Like.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
I'm failing to think of examples but, like I'm sure,
freddy and Jason must havereboot quilled at some point.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
I'm failing to think of examples, but I'm sure Freddy
and Jason must have a rebootquilt at some point.
I know Scream has Rob Zombie'sHalloween movies.
Those are straight up.
Actually, I don't know ifthey're reboot quilts or not.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
It might just be.
Reboots X, I think, wasliterally there's just a new Saw
.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
That would make sense .
You are probably right thatthey reinvent themselves.
Well, because the originalactors are like long gone.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Well, like Texas Chainsaw Massacre I think did it
, where they had the legacycharacters show up, but new
teens are the focus of it.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Hmm, I don't remember .
I've definitely watched theoriginal Texas Chainsaw Massacre
and that was one of the firsttwo-thirds of the movie was one
of the most unsettling moviesI've ever seen.
Then there was a remake in the90s.
I think I'll have to look upwhen the remake was.

(56:05):
But I don't think I'll have tolook up when the remake was.
But I don't think that had anyreference to the original.
But I do believe there has beenanother remake which might be a
reboot, as you're saying.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
It's quite possible.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
I'll have to look it up.
Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
I do find it funny for Yu-Gi-Oh to make the
criteria of all things, becauselike yeah, like yeah, no, they
reboot Kool-Aid every year, likeevery they'll like, run a
Yu-Gi-Oh series for like fiveyears and then have to refresh
it.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2022.
Hmm, so that would be the third.
The second remake 2022.
Hmm, so that would be thesecond remake.
Yeah, I'm not counting into aconflict with a vengeful
survivor of his previous murders.
Okay, so that does, in fact,sound like a reboot.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Gundam Unicorn might count, because Gundam Unicorn is
very close to the plot pointsof the original Gundam.
Unicorn is very close to theplot points of the original
Gundam.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
It is.
I mean, the Gundam Unicorn isjust straight up the replacement
for the Gundam right.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Yeah, so like Gundam, does this a few times.
Seed and Seed Destiny isprobably the fastest reboot call
ratio.
Because they just do it andthen they just do it again.
Right, like Gundam's probablyripe with reboot calls of do we
have protagonists run up andjump into a Gundam and then go
through a war, conflict and thenhave a psychic love interest?
Like Gundam, reboot callsitself like the original Gundam

(57:38):
franchise where UniversalCentury's just like yeah, no,
universal Century just runs on aloop it sure does.
But I think that's most of theones I can think of that come to
mind, which is good becausewe're right in time for our
random question of the week.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
I love random questions.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Did you solicit any of your viewers for a random
question?

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Oh no, I don't solicit people, for I just
passively am like oh yeah, I gotto record a podcast tonight and
everyone's like oh, you recorda podcast.
I'm like yep.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
I mean, my quote today was as a white male over
35 years old, I'm legallyobligated to have a podcast,
fair, okay, so here's one.
If you could outsource onehuman experience to an intern to
experience instead of you, whatwould it be?
So there's one thing youexperience that you don't want

(58:38):
to do anymore.
So you make an intern, do it.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Make an intern do something that I have done?
Oh man, I'm having a hard timewrapping my head around this
question.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
All right, so the question is and I'll have to
give an example is so you have?
The aspects, that are you, carl, the person like you eat, sleep
, brush your teeth, go to work,et cetera, et cetera.
You can take one aspect of yourlife, like eating lettuce, for
example, and then make an internhave to eat lettuce for you.
So you don't have to becauseyou've outsourced it.
So if it's something, like forexample, it's like I'm going to

(59:10):
outsource sleeping to an intern.
I'd hire an intern just tosleep for me.
But part of that's like howmean do you want to be to this
intern and how annoying is thathuman experience?

Speaker 2 (59:22):
Because I mean having an intern.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
Think of it like like a shadow clone thing, where the
intern does the task and thenit gets done on you magically
updated, like if the internflosses for me, then my teeth
would be flossed yeah, yeah,okay, okay but remember though,
it's an intern and they're notpaid and they're getting trained
and experienced.
So be kind to your intern,don't just be like pain.

(59:44):
No, no, no, I to your intern.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
Don't just be like pain.
No, no, no.
I, I, I like pets, I likeanimals, but I personally feel
like I am not a particularlyresponsible pet owner.
I don't have the time andbandwidth to dedicate to an

(01:00:07):
animal that it deserves.
So I personally my fiancée shewanted a cat.
I was like I will love that cat, I will pet and cuddle that cat
, but I'm just a terrible, butit's your cat.
Yeah, it is her cat.
Whenever the cat does somethingthat she doesn't like, then the
cat is my cat.

(01:00:28):
Anyways, I would outsource petownership.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Okay, which is funny, because that's a thing you
could actually outsource to anintern.
Yeah, but I mean it wouldn't beunpaid in this hypothetical
situation where, for the humanexperience I'm outsourcing to an
intern because I'm less of agood person than you is
absolutely morning yoga.
So some people love that andit'd be good for my body.

(01:01:00):
So I'm this intern, do morningyoga, so I get the benefits and
they don't Because they'regetting paid in experience or
even paid paid if I have acompany in this scenario and
they're just doing my yoga forme.
So my bones and joints andthings are all nice and stretchy
without me having to do thework.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
And here's our second random question.
Alright, alright.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
Which fast food chain has the energy of an ex who
won't stop texting?

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Which fast food chain ?
Uh, I would say, um, so theenergy of an ex that won't stop
texting, so something that youdon't want, but you used to love
Subway, but it to love Subway,but it's everywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Subway Subway.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Subway is a pretty good answer.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
They're just everywhere and they're like want
a footlong sub for $20?
I'm like, no, no, I don't Dropthat down by a quarter.
They're like this is why webroke up.
I'm like, no, we broke upbecause you took all my money
and left me.
I am fine with thishypothetical divorce with Subway
.
If Subway wants to sponsor thispodcast, maybe you'll give me a

(01:02:16):
sandwich a quarter of the priceit is currently and we can talk
.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Well see, the problem is.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
You still enjoy Subway.
You didn't break up with them.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Well, I mean A.
I can't use the same answer asyou.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
Oh, yeah, right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
Subway is the perfect answer.
Nice, because it is somethingthat I see advertised regularly,
hence the text, but it issomething that I don't have very
often.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
There's a Subway in every small town in Saskatchewan
, somehow.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Yeah, I mean, I much prefer Quiznos yeah because it's
better.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
So it's like Subway's only advantage was price and
they just lost that in thesandwich race.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
I prefer Firehouse subs personally, but oh, I was
disappointed by Firehouse subshere in Saskatoon Because it was
just better in here.
Well, I mean, this is acomplete tangent, but I went to
Firehouse Subs and I thoughtthat's in our podcast Wild.
And I thought that they wouldhave cheddar broccoli soup, but

(01:03:25):
all they had was chili and I waslike, okay, that's sad, all
they have is chili.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Although, to be fair, chili in a firehouse is
completely rational.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
It's rational, just not what I wanted.
And then it may be because itwas still a fairly new location.
But we stood there for probablya half hour and it looked like
there were like 20 people and itlooked like they were all
working.
They were all doing whatever,but sandwiches just weren't

(01:03:55):
being made.
I don't know what they weredoing, but it was just like it
just took forever.
Everyone looked busy, but noone seemed to actually be doing
anything.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
I'm not going to gonna lie.
If this was your pick for an ex, it really sounds like you fell
out of love with this person.
It was brutal.
This is an ex.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
You're not over well, I mean, I only had firehouse
subs one other time, and thatwas when I was in toronto.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
It was delicious, it was delicious, they had it was
delicious.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
It was delicious.
They had cheddar broccoli soup.
The sandwich was piled highwith cheese and meatballs.
I mean, I guess the sandwichlast time I went to Firehouse
Subs wasn't terrible, it wasjust.
The overall experience was likeoh, but yes to the original
question.
Energy of an X that wants tohave text.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
sick Pizza is an Ex that wants to stop texting.
Pizza is pretty aggressive withtheir advertisements.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
There just always is one in my inbox.
Yeah, yeah, I would say for me,partly because I eat so much
pizza all the time at myworkplace.
But pizza places in general,they have tons of advertisements
, like Little Caesars.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
Fair, very fair.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
It's cheap, but it's like.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
It's not as cheap as it should be.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
That's why we broke up Little Caesars.
You're just too cheap.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
Well, for me, I go to Little Caesars, so here's why I
like Pizza Hut came to mind.
It's a weird problem.
So Pizza Hut right now isactually more efficient per
slice than Little Caesar's,cost-wise.
Oh really, yeah.
So it's like I'll order likethe Pizza Hut triple box
whatever that's like 40 bucksfor three medium pizzas, and
then I'll order like threeLittle Caesar's pepperoni and
they'll be like 12 bucks eachsomehow, and then plus tax it'll

(01:05:45):
still hit 40 bucks.
I'm like, well, I'm gonna getthe good pizza, okay, basically
the same price.
Like pizza hut had this dippingpizza which was like a
rectangular pizza cut intostrips with like four different
dips the thing was like 20 bucks.
I'm like that's how much pizzais supposed to cost guys.
It should feed me and Jeremyfor 20 bucks.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
And all right, we got one last random question for
the week before we wrap thingsup.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
All right, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
This one's a quick one, so you ready.
You got your reflexes up.
Okay, you get to rename theEarth Go.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Oh, dang it.
I'm not ready for this at allLike this full stop between
Earth and go isn't the question.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
You get to rename the Earth Full stop, go, full stop.
I think I got the energy acrossright.
I get to rename the Earth, so Ihave two options and I'm going
to pitch them both to you andtell you what you think.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
So, option the first if I just name it Donald Trump's
big shiny orb, that mightsatiate his ego enough that he
goes away, Okay, Okay.
And option the second I kind ofwant to name the Earth Carl
with a K.
I think it'd be really funny tosomeone who would just wake up.
And it's just the planet Carl.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
I'm going to go with Gnome.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
Gnome.
Okay, okay, that is a deep cut.
I see what you're putting out.
I briefly considered Terra.
I also considered the digitalworld, but I think I'm just
going with calling the planetCarl.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Oh, what was it?
It?

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
was?
I think it was.
It was a space movie, Titan AE,I think it was, when they named
the planets.
Like what are we going to callit?
I think New Earth is like Bob,and then it's like New Earth
brackets Bob brackets Can't namea planet.
Bob, Watch me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
But yeah, I would go with Gnome, depending on what
mythology you're going with.
Gnome is an Earth spirit, soit'd be funny for Gnome to have
Gnome powers.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
I appreciate it Like there's just good stuff that
happened here.
It's a good answer and thankyou everyone for tuning in to
Richard and Carl.
Presents Deep Space and Dragons.
Buy my book Like come on.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
I thought you weren't going to bother plugging your
book because you did itmid-podcast, but I guess at
least this time you didn't callthem cheap.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
To be fair, I had an epiphany mid-sentence where I'm
like you don't have to and thenI'm like we're over a hundred
episodes.
I think that justifies fourdollars.
That feels reasonable at thisrate.
Guys, come on, it's like such.
That's like the cheapestcontent you can buy.

(01:08:35):
Like even you think about.
We don't have youtube ads inour podcast, right?
So like you can't even watchall of yugioh abridged without
paying as much time and energyas our podcast.
I watch so many streamers andthings who are always like
subscribe to my Patreon.
I'm like no many of ourepisodes I don't say anything.

(01:08:56):
I feel it this time they shouldbuy a book.
I'm sorry, I use the moneyright now to go to Gallus.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Completely altruistic .
We just need the money rightnow to go to Gallus.
Completely altruistic, we justneed the money.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
I'm going to be honest, like if I got a massive
psych of sales after this,because I do not think that
would work I'd probably be likehey, Carl, I'm ordering you a
pizza because you earned it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
I don't know.
You're going to order it fromPizza Hut, aren't you?

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
Actually, to be fair, if I was going to spend our
ill-gotten gains on book hawkingon this podcast.
I think it would be, becausewe're not getting Switch too
rich on this podcast.
It's not making us a billiondollars.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
I think it's blizzards.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
I think I'm ordering us each a blizzard that feels
like a reasonable, that seems usa billion dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
I think it's blizzards.
I think I'm ordering us each ablizzard, ooh.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
That seems like something solid.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
I mean it sounds reasonable, but blizzards have
gotten expensive.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
I need to sell a fair number of books to get us each
a blizzard Like damn.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
Yeah, I mean you sell one book.
You can't even afford a miniOreo blizzard.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
Man, why did I choose to be a writer again?
Bye, bye.
I enjoyed that.
The Blizzard tangent had to bein the episode.
It's funny, though, becauseI'll check my royalties and be
like, ooh, $10, and I'll go getfood court sushi and be so happy
.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
Do you still get any passive income from your
teespring shop?

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
on occasion, but I usually turn it into more merch
ah I.