March 14, 2025 • 47 mins
Many of us know the challenge of bringing our active children to God’s Word each day but we also know the eternal impact it can have.
Family devotions are not an unreachable goal. Chris Brooks brings Tim Shoemaker to the program to present some out-of-box ways to have fun family times that deliver spiritual impact. Learn to communicate Biblical truth to your busy family!
Today's resource: The Very Best, Hands-on, Kinda Dangerous Family Devotions.
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S1 (00:16):
Hey friends, please enjoy this encore presentation of Equipped with
curse for us. Hey there friends, welcome to another exciting
edition of equip with Chris Brooks! I am so thrilled
you have joined me today. Why don't you do me
a favor? Strap on your seat belt. We're going to
navigate through the contours of culture, as always, with the
lens of the biblical worldview on. But before we do that,
let me remind you, this is the day that the
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Lord has made. He has given it as a gift
so that you and I can rejoice and be glad
in it. So let's do just that. Let's follow the
words of the Apostle Paul. Let's rejoice in the Lord always.
And again I say, rejoice. Well, my friends, today I
want to help you as parents to be able to
have phenomenal, life changing and memorable devotional time with your kids.
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I want you to be empowered to turn boring devotional
times into something that they actually listen to, take notice of,
and that they will never forget. And so in order
to do that, I got a resource that has one
of the very best titles I have ever experienced. As
a matter of fact, here's the title. Get ready. It
is the very best hands on kind of dangerous family devotions.
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And it's by Tim Shoemaker. He joins me today. Tim
is the author of 14 books for Parents and Kids.
He's worked as a volunteer with youth at his local
church for over 25 years. He also speaks to thousands
of students at public schools every year. He's a popular
workshop speaker, and he's been heard on focus on the family,
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Iron Sharpening, Iron Man's conference, and great homeschool conventions as well.
He's joining me today to talk about the very best
hands on, kind of dangerous family devotions. How are you, brother?
S2 (02:05):
Hey, I'm doing great, Chris. Thanks for having me.
S1 (02:08):
You know what? I appreciate it. Talk just for a
moment about your passion for our families and gathering around
the word.
S2 (02:18):
Well, I have such a heart, obviously, for kids. And,
you know, there's that that stage where they're they're innocent
and everything is changing and they're learning about things. And
in so many ways. Uh, my heart goes out to
kids and they so many get messed up and they
get involved in the wrong things. And I just want
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this chance for us to be able to reach out
to these kids and help these kids at home. And
for many of them will keep them from getting in
some of those traps, and others, we're going to just
make things a little bit better so they can get
out of the traps they're already in. Uh, but yeah,
just a heart for those kids has been just a
huge thing for me.
S1 (02:56):
Well, you know, I think that that heart is a
heart that has produced, led you to produce a number
of resources. But I don't want people to think that
this is just a job for you. This is deeply
personal for you. You know, one of my favorite pages
of any book is the dedication page, and I just
want to read yours to Andy and Laura, to Mark
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and Sarah and Luke and Beth. May this book be
one more tool to help you teach the next generation
about God and the principle he gives, the principles he
gives us to live by. And then you quote Psalm
one 1918 open my eyes that I may see wonderful
things in your law. Who are these wonderful people and
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why are they important to you as you made this resource?
S2 (03:42):
Well, the three boys mentioned are my sons and their wives,
and of course they're all having kids now, so that's terrific.
And it was this love for my sons and trying
to find a way to connect, to teach them spiritual
truth at home. And I struggled with it. I struggled,
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I just felt like I wasn't getting through or you'd
see the kids be bored as they were growing up.
But when I finally, by God's grace, he was starting
to lead me into how to do it, where it connected.
And I saw that change and that was so exciting
to me. And and of course, I want them to
have the same thing with their kids.
S1 (04:22):
Yeah, I think that's beautiful. I think it's great. You know,
anytime I write, I try to keep someone in mind,
you know, as I'm writing, I think that makes me
a better writer. Tim. And I see that with this
resource that in many ways, what you did in private,
you just went public with it. And and it's a
blessing to us all. All right. Let's talk about what
it means to go from a struggling, kind of disengaged
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devotional time to a fully engaged devotional time. What's the
big secret for making that transition?
S2 (04:55):
Well, I think the big thing is, is to do
something active an activity, an object lesson, at least, at
the very least, something visual. And so what you do
is you you do this little activity or this object
lesson with the kids. It has them engaged. And then
you tie in this nugget of spiritual truth at the end,
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and the two of them become etched in their mind
and they remember it. So anytime they think about this
crazy thing you did, they remember that lesson that you
taught them. And it's just a nugget of truth. So
this these aren't, uh, you know, Bible studies where you're
taking a deep look in the word. It's a devotional.
And our goal is get one nugget of truth across,
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but in a way where they never forget.
S1 (05:42):
Yeah, we're going to talk about some of the, uh,
the dangerous things you did. I'm just wondering if my
my wife will actually let me electrocute a pickle. I'm
just wondering if she'll let me use the snowblower. I'm sorry.
The leaf blower to demonstrate and teach lessons on the
Holy Spirit. You know, it's funny. One of my most
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memorable devotions. Now, you got a picture of this. I'm 66, right? Uh. And, uh.
S3 (06:09):
And so, you know.
S1 (06:11):
We wanted to reenact David and Goliath, and I wanted
to do it with the boys. And so I told
I told them, you go get your slingshots. Let me
just say this. By the end of the devotion, the
living room was a wreck. And I just think my wife,
she's been merciful. She's forgiven me. Uh, but I'm going
to have to sell her on some of these ideas.
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But just talk a little bit before we get into
all of these creative ideas. From jello to leaf blowers
to pickles. But before we get into all of those
creative things, talk about your commitment to the Word of God.
Because at the end of the day, yeah, these illustrations
are great. They're fun, they're engaging, they're multi-sensory. But it's
ultimately about getting the word in their hearts, isn't it?
S2 (06:55):
You're absolutely right. And so we want to be true
to the word. And this is why, you know, going
back to Deuteronomy four and six and 11, you know,
it talks about the fact that we're to we're to
teach our kids about God and the principles he gives
us to live by. And so this word is extremely important.
And and that's what we want to teach from, not just, uh,
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nice things to teach them, but we teach them the word.
And the thing of it is, is you can have
the most creative ideas in the world, and that's and
that's important, but it's only half the equation. The other
part is, is us, um, the person teaching it, we
need to be the real deal. We need to be
following the Lord and and following his word. And when
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we put those two together, when we're putting it into practice,
when we're living it out, you know, then we've then
we've got something to say. And then we use an
object lesson to, to catch their attention.
S1 (07:54):
Well, we can't get the word into their hearts without
having the word in our hearts. We've all heard that
devotional time with our kids described this way. Maybe you've
heard it this way, that it's about building a bridge
from my heart to their heart that Jesus can walk across.
And and in many ways, it really is the deposit
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of the Word of God in our own lives being
transferred to our kids. And so all month long, we're
going to be encouraging our parents and adults to get
this wonderful resource that we're making available. While you are exploring,
getting this wonderful devotion that Tim has put out. Also,
maybe you want to consider getting our resource of the month,
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which is plain theology for plain people. Listen, I know
theology can be intimidating, but this is a very approachable
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brother in Christ, has put it together. Uh, and it's
a great, great resource for getting theology and doctrine in
your own heart so that you can make sure that
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your illustrations aren't violating Scripture, and you can make sure
that you have enough deposited in you so that when
you do these family devotionals, it's easy to pour it
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of dangerous family devotions and uh equip radio.org. There we
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have links. Tim. We've talked about how your parenting life,
family life have impacted this devotional. What about your time
as a youth worker, uh, volunteering, working with youth. How
has that impacted this resource?
S2 (09:56):
Well, I think, uh, so much the idea of, you know,
how am I going to connect with these kids, how
do I get through? And found very much that the
very things Jesus was doing when he taught and when
he walked this earth, are the very types of things
that we do. You know, he he often taught nuggets
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of truth. It wasn't, you know, a big three point sermon.
It was a nugget of truth he got across and
often with a story or sometimes he did it with
an object lesson. Now, often we call those object lessons miracles.
But they were still an object lesson. Yeah, right. You know,
here's a guy. He can't walk. Oh, now he can walk.
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What did we just learn here, people? You know, uh,
so there's things like this that we want to employ
those same things. So when working with youth, I found
if I'm going to get through to them, I'm going
to use stories. I'm going to have visuals with me
or do some sort of an object lesson. I try
to do something about every five minutes that to make
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sure that they stay engaged when I'm speaking with them.
And then, um, and then you're tying these things in,
and again, in a way where they don't forget.
S1 (11:10):
Yeah. Now, has that changed over time, your time in
working with youth and and children. Has that changed the
way you engage them?
S2 (11:18):
Oh, definitely. Um, yeah, it definitely does. And you've got
to listen. Right. And you've got to, uh, they've got
to trust you. So one of the things when I'm
talking with youth right off the bat, uh, you know,
I kind of make this agreement with them. I'll. I'll
always tell you the truth. Um, you know, even if
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it's hard, I will tell you the truth. Because we
live in a world of lies, and a lot of
people aren't going to tell you the truth. So if
you've got a question, um, that's my commitment to you,
to tell you the truth. And I'll explain why it's
the truth. Uh, so I think early on, they begin
to trust you and say, okay, he's going to tell
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the truth. And, um, And there's so many things, you know,
Jesus was all about telling the truth, right? He he
was straightening out misconceptions about God and misconceptions about God's
principles for living. Uh, you know, people think that the
the Bible is this book of do's and don'ts and
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it's so strict and restrictive. And I say, oh my goodness, no,
it's the opposite. It's freeing. It's, it's a, it's a,
it's a, it's a survival guide because we've got an
enemy hunting us. Yes. Uh, you know, our world system
has got how many laws do you think? And regulations. Millions. Uh,
they're they're uncountable. But Jesus boiled it down to two. Now,
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love God, love others.
S1 (12:46):
That's powerful.
S2 (12:47):
Yeah. So. So, actually, um, you know, the word is,
is so often not what people want to make it
out to be.
S1 (12:57):
Well, friends whom the Son of Man has set free
is free indeed. We're going to talk about freedom through
God's Word, and how we can convey that passion that
clearly comes through when Tim talks about teaching our kids
the Word of God. We're going to talk about how
that can be a part of your devotional time. As
we get ready to take this first break. This is
a devotional, uh, resource that will give you 52 activities
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that your kids will never forget. And by the time
it's all said and done, we're going to talk about
the way grandparents can use this. What if you're like
me and you have a house full of kids that
range in a wide variety of ages? We're going to
talk about that. What if you have kids that just
want no parts of devotional time and they rebel against it?
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We're going to talk about that as well. Listen, social
media is available to you if you have questions that
you like. For Tim and I to process and ponder,
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Org.
S1 (15:00):
Welcome back to equipped with Chris Brooks. My guest today,
Tim Shoemaker, talking about this wonderful devotional resource. He's produced
a very best hands on a dangerous family devotions. It's
52 activities your kids will never forget as they learn
the Word of God. You can find out more at
our website. Equip radio.org. Okay. Real quickly Tim, what can
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I learn about the Holy Spirit from a leaf blower?
S2 (15:27):
Okay, well, first of all, you take a regular leaf
blower and you can convert this in about ten minutes
to shoot toilet paper. It's fantastic. We we just. Yeah,
we just connect a paint roller to the end of it,
and we use just regular, uh, single ply toilet paper.
And you can unload that thing in less than 10s
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in one continuous stream. So that's sort of the the
background information. Real easy. We show you how to do that.
And then you have a couple of the kids or whatever.
You've got them doing a little toilet paper race. So
you hand them a roll of toilet paper, have them
use their fingers like a spool and unload that, say, okay,
we're going to have a race. You're going to unload
or unroll this toilet paper here. And meantime, dad is
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going to work with one of the other kids or whatever.
We're going to work together. We're going to do it
a little different way, and we're going to we're going
to race you. All right, so you guys take a
head start. You let them go. They're unrolling this toilet paper.
And then we pull out the leaf blower. We load
the toilet paper on there, turn it on and it
empties this thing so quick. And of course, we just
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we just blow them away. Well, the point of it is,
is we show them that, you know, just like they
didn't expect, um, us to pull out a leaf blower
to shoot this toilet paper. That's the way it is.
Life with the Holy Spirit. Sometimes we can be like
the kid unrolling the toilet paper. We're working as hard
as we can, we can't seem to go much faster. Um,
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we're trying not to mess up. But then that's the
way it is when we're working life in our own power.
The leaf blower just illustrates, hey, when the Holy Spirit
is working and flowing through us, he does things that
we would never expect and things that were once hard
for us become very easy because often the Holy Spirit
is changing our heart. He's changing us on the inside.
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And so it's just little things like that where we
teach that little nugget of spiritual truth.
S1 (17:24):
You know, I love that. And and again, these are
exciting and fun activities. And the way the book is
laid out, it gives you how to how to prep
in advance. It gives you obviously the the discussion guidelines,
you know, and the text as well. It helps you
to walk through passages of Scripture, for example, for this
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particular one, Galatians 516, Paul writes, so I say, let
the Holy Spirit guide your lives, then you won't be
doing what your sinful nature craves. And so you can
really launch into, as you said, a discussion about the
Holy Spirit, what happens when he guides our life and
and all of it leading to not only activity, but
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memorable conversations as well. Galatians 525 says, since we are
living by the spirit, let us follow the Spirit's lead
in every part of our lives. What does that look like?
And this is a great illustration of our power versus
his power. Now I could see again my younger ones
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getting involved in this and being pretty excited. My five
year old Sophia, my seven year old Judah, my ten
year old Cameron. They would love stuff like this. What
do you say to teens parents that have, you know,
I got a 14 year old. What do you what
do you say to parents who have teens about how
to get them engaged and involved? Tim.
S2 (18:51):
Okay, so when you've got kids that are getting a
little bit older, you know, and some of them might
be great, they're totally engaged. They're in it. Wonderful. You
just keep working with that. But some of them, they're
going to feel that family devotions are below them, and
they're going to feel like you're treating them like a kid.
Then I would do one of a couple things. One,
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you could take them aside and just explain, hey, you
know what? God's given me this job. I've got to
teach my kids about him and about the principles he
gives us to live by and and just encourage them
to to go along with that a little bit. So
sometimes that's all it takes. But other times, again, when
they're thinking this is below them, then I make them
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my helper. So I say, look, there's things we've got
to teach your younger brother, your younger sisters, whatever it
would be. Uh, and here's what dad's going to do
this week. And we're going to, we're going to convert
this leaf blower to, uh, shoot toilet paper. And so
you and I are going to work on that together.
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And if there's supplies to pick up, you take your
14 year old with you. And if there's a time
to test it ahead of time, you test it ahead
of time. You two work it out. Now he's now
he's not one of the kids so much. He's in
it with you. And when you actually do the devotional,
you might actually put him in charge of a certain
part of it. Like, for example, the leaf blower. Hey,
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when we pull out the leaf blower, you're going to
be the one doing that. Okay. So see, now they're
into that and they're on the inside scoop. They're not
treated like one of the kids. But when all is
said and done, they're still getting the lesson that you're
trying to teach. And the beauty of it, Chris, is
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that you're also prepping them and teaching them how to
do it someday, when they're a dad or when they're
a mom. Or they can teach their own kids because, hey,
you know what I used to? I used to help
my parents teach my little brother or my little sisters,
you know? So, um, Generally when you bring them along
that way, they're good with it.
S1 (20:55):
Yeah. You know, I'll be honest with you, this stuff
I know you put together for young kids and maybe
even teenagers, but I believe this is the type of
stuff that works for all ages. Who doesn't want to
have a multi-sensory experience when it comes to learning God's Word?
So parents, the kids can be the excuse. If you've
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always wanted to have a more engaging time in studying
God's Word, this is the type of resource that is
great for you as well. This is why I'm introducing
it to you. We are all about bringing guests and
resources before you that we believe will help to equip
you to more effectively live, share, and defend your faith.
That's why I'm saying go to our website, equip radio.org. Also,
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our social media is available to you. I'll mention that
throughout the program because we're going to pick three. That's right.
Three of you to just say thank you for listening.
And we're going to send you a copy of this
wonderful devotional. All right. Listen, uh, Tim, uh, Ephesians two
and ten. I love this. This is one of my
life verses. It says this Paul writing for we are
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God's handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works,
which God prepared in advance for us to do. Ephesians
two and ten. So in my mind, I think about
the type of life that I want to have devoted
to God, my family, serving God. This is a pretty
beautiful picture, but what do I learn about building that
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type of life from a Lego set?
S2 (22:28):
Well, all right, that's all right. So, you know, when
you when you get a box of Legos, it's always
the same. You've got this great looking picture on the cover,
but when you open it up, what do you get?
Bags of pieces and an instruction book. And it's a
great way you get this box of Legos with the
kids and you and you talk about Legos with them
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just a little bit, and then you transition over to
that spiritual truth that this Christian life is so much
like a box of Legos. Uh, you know, we can
have a, a great picture of the type of person
we want to be, but just like a Lego, it
doesn't come ready made. We must we must build according
to the instructions. And, um. And this word tells us
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exactly how we do that, how to be building ourselves
into that mature Christian that we want to be. So
we've got that great picture and some, some spots in
the word. They almost read like a Lego, you know,
instruction book would be, you know, second Peter five 1
to 8, you know, for this very reason, make every
effort to add to your faith, goodness and to goodness,
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knowledge and to knowledge self-control. You know, it's like building
the the Lego pieces together. And so we just use
that as a reminder to them that this is it
doesn't come ready made. We have to do some work
and he's going to do some work in us. We
work together.
S1 (23:50):
What do you say to your kids then, when hard
things come? Because, you know, you can be building a
Lego set. And I've seen this happen among my kids.
One of them, you know, maybe has a bad attitude
that they didn't get the particular Legos that the other
one got, and they just kind of come over and
knock down the whole edifice that they've been building. Sometimes
life is like that, right? Sometimes hard things come to
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us through life. What do you say to kids about, uh,
about how we should think about when hard times come?
S2 (24:19):
Well, you know, let's go back to the Lego thing
for a moment. You know, we're making this Lego project
out of all these little blocks. And to me, in life,
these are the experiences we have, the knowledge we gain.
All these different things are our little blocks in our life.
Some are good and some are very, very hard, but
they make us into the person God is designing us to.
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To be going back to Ephesians 210 like you brought
up things. He's planned for us, these good things. And
so there have been times or there will be times
in their life where that Lego project, it's like you
hold it up over your head and you drop it
to the floor and pieces scatter all over. That's the
way life can feel for kids very often. But oftentimes
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what happens? God just takes those those same pieces and
he builds something a little bit different and it's better. Um,
and we see how all these things that he put
in our life, uh, these experiences such that we had
the good times, the bad times, they all are used.
He doesn't waste a thing to build us into that
kind of person that he's designed us to be.
S1 (25:25):
Well, someone who's listening that maybe is an adult that's
listening to us right now needed to hear that and
be reminded of that. God doesn't waste a thing. He
takes the good, he takes the bad, and all of
it works together for his glory and for our good.
So grateful to have Tim Shoemaker here. He's an author,
he's a dad, he's a youth worker. He's put all
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of those experiences together to produce the very best hands on,
kind of dangerous family devotions. 52 activities your kids will
never forget. Why don't you get a copy by going
to our website? Equip radio.org. When we come back, we're
going to talk about how we can use Jell-O to
help to explain a lesson about our brains. Don't go anywhere.
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Much more to come. Next up on equip. Chris Brooks
here reminding you that today's program is pre-recorded. While we
won't be taking calls, we do want to connect with
you on social media. Welcome back to equip with Chris Brooks,
having a phenomenal conversation with Tim Shoemaker about this wonderful
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52 lesson family devotional resources put together. You know, one
of the friends of equip is our good friend Kathy Cook.
Doctor Kathy Cook. She says this about the the resource
Tim has put together. She says this book is fabulous.
The devotions are memorable, unique, fun for all ages, engaging
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and not complicated. You and your children are going to
learn so much. Well, anything Cathy endorses I want to
have on my bookshelf, so I do encourage you to
get a copy. Find out more about how you can
order a copy at our website. Equip radio.org. And if
you're just tuning in, social media is available to you
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as well. We love to get new friends and followers
on social media, Facebook and Twitter. Equip radio. And so
what we're going to do to incentivize you, encourage you
to thank you for listening, as we have three copies
that we're going to give away of the very best
hands on, kind of dangerous family devotions that Tim Shoemaker
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has put together. All right, Tim, tell us a little
bit about this jello.
S2 (27:39):
Okay. There's there's a couple of things you can do
with gel. In fact, I think there's two devotions in
there with it. But one of the ones is, you know,
you can you can make a regular Jell-O mold. Uh, now,
you could do it in just a typical Jell-O mold. Um,
you know, pan that you use. Or you can go
online if you want to prepare ahead, and you can
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order one that's shaped like a brain, which is.
S3 (28:04):
So.
S2 (28:05):
Much more fun. Okay. So you can get this brain one.
And so then what you do, you could take it
up on a ladder. You could take it to a
second story window and, uh, you know, you hold it
out or let one of the kids hold it out
if they're older and let it go. And of course,
when that thing hits the pavement below, it's going to splatter. And,
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you know, that's fun. If you want to make a
couple of the molds, you can let a couple of
kids do it. But the point is then is you
start to tie that into a spiritual truth, you know? Yeah.
You know, our brain is fragile, isn't it? That's why
it's encased in a skull. And that's why we wear
helmets when we play sports or ride our bike, because
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the the brain is fragile. We've got to protect it.
And they all get that there with that. Um, and
then use that to transition into a discussion to talk
about how we've got to protect our minds. And, uh,
in a very we're all about the physical sense, protecting
our brains. But what about in the spiritual sense? And
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then we can talk about ways that we do that,
to talk about how we, uh, keep from being deceived, uh,
for one, uh, or in another devotional. They're just the
talk about, um, you know, what you allow in your life,
you can do this where you make this jello and
you just pick up junk. Okay? So maybe you pick
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up some, uh, you know, you empty the bag of
your vacuum cleaner, and you got hair and fuzz and
all this stuff, and you and you put some of
that in the jello before it's hardened, right? So you
got all this stuff in there. You can take little,
you can take bugs or whatever, a nice clear jello.
And when you slice it open and there's all this
stuff in there, they're like, oh, sick. Well, yeah, that
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doesn't belong in there, does it? No, that's not appetizing.
And that can lead you right into a quick discussion
about the things we allow in our brain, uh, that, uh,
we don't want this junk in there.
S1 (30:01):
Now, what do you say to parents who are listening
about what's typical as far as the prep time for
one of these devotionals, and how long is a typical
devotional that you've put together for the very best hands
on kind of dangerous family devotions?
S2 (30:17):
Well, the prep time can, you know, if you're making
a jello, there's a little bit of prep there. Most
of them. It's really very quick, um, the prep time
that you do in advance and the devotional itself, often
they're 5 minutes to 10 minutes. They're not very long,
including your wrap up time, because you're just getting a
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nugget of truth across in a way where they remember
it and the kids to them, it's it's painless. You
had some little activity, you tied something in, and it
gets to the point where they aren't dreading family devotions.
They're actually beginning to look forward to it. Uh, I
found that in my own life, when one of my
boys had asked me, hey, dad, when are we going
to have family devotions again? I realized, okay, I'm on
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to something here. You know, this has changed. It was
so different from trying to round them up. Hey, guys,
we want to have a little devotional here. Um, so
it was when we started doing the active stuff that
that made all the difference, but it doesn't take a
lot of time. And here's the other thing I think, Chris,
is it doesn't take a lot of time prep wise
for yourself. You can you can have notes in front
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of you. You can have a book in front of you.
I've always had that. When I talk with kids, I've
always got notes in front of me. Um, and they're
okay with that. Especially like with the book, if if
it looks if it looks like it's the first time
you've looked at this, well, then that's going to be
a problem. But take that book, highlight it, cross something out,
make a note in the margin and they see that
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you've looked at this, but you can work right through
the book. Otherwise, if the prep time takes too long,
you're going to start skipping weeks. Yeah. As a parent.
And so we're trying to make this. So it's it's
not that we want to make it easy to get
in and and to get out.
S1 (32:02):
What are the top spiritual issues Tim. Uh, among our
kids that you're most concerned about in this season?
S2 (32:10):
Oh, boy. Well, right now, uh, there's so much. You know,
we've got kids that are, uh, discouraged. Uh, they can
be depressed. We've got kids that are wondering, is there
a purpose for them? What's this all about? Is it,
you know, you look at that, that Lego lesson that
we talked about. You know, they're not seeing the picture, uh,
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at the end. We they can't even see that many
of them right at this point. There's all kinds of
added temptations that kids have got. So we want to
address a lot of these different issues in a in
a very positive way. Um, and I think they're feeling heard.
They're feeling understood and they're not feeling so alone. And
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they see how God can help.
S1 (32:55):
Yeah. I think this is really good, folks. You can
find out more about the very best hands on Kind
of Dangerous Family devotions by going to our website. Equip
radio.org that's equipped radio.org. We really are encouraging you to
get this resource. And maybe you've started some devotions before
and never finished them because let's be honest, not only
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were the kids bored, but you were bored as well
and didn't know how to keep it engaging. I promise you,
this one will feel and be totally different. Not lacking
in substance. Don't get me wrong, the activities only go
to support the teaching of the word. Just like in scripture,
how miracles were for messages, signs were for sermons, wonders
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were for the word. So this devotional helps you to
go deeper into Scripture. And so I want to encourage
you to get a copy of the very best hands
on Kind of Dangerous Family Devotions 52 activities that Your
Kids Will Never Forget. Go to our website equip radio.org.
I've always believed, Tim, that grandparents are the second most
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important group of people in the life of a child.
What do you want to say to grandparents about how
they can use this to engage their grandkids?
S2 (34:11):
Oh boy, grandparents are in a terrific place. Often the
grandkids are just a little bit more patient with grandma
and Grandpa in different ways. And often grandparents, they're looking
for ways. How do I connect with these kids? What
do we talk about? Boy, you do an activity, you
do some sort of an object lesson and let that
open up a discussion, and you're teaching them truth about
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God's Word. This is fantastic to be able to do
that with them. So, um, I would really encourage grandparents. Yes.
Get involved. And when you've got the kids, you can
do that even if they can't be with the kids.
A lot of these things you could do on zoom,
they could just, you know, set something up and they'd
do some little demo for them. And and then they
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talk about it a little bit. But it's, it's better
in person for sure.
S1 (34:55):
Yeah. I want to commend my mom who may even
be listening. Now, you know, my mom has this rhythm
with our kids where she's going to share at least
a verse, sometimes multiple verses per week, but at least
a verse of Scripture a week to really engage their
hearts around and to encourage them around. Well, you think
about grandparents who take their jobs seriously and imparting the
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Word of God, and then you equip them with resources
like yours. Tim. I think it takes it to another level.
And what you've just done for guys like me who
aren't super creative when it comes to kids ministry, there's
a reason why they kick kicked me out of kids ministry. Tim. Uh,
you know, I'm not cut from the same creative cloth
as you. You just made our jobs easier because you
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just took the creative work and said, hey, I'll help
to think about that if you just show up to
the party. Is that kind of the message you want
to send to parents?
S2 (35:50):
Absolutely. Hey, the body of Christ, right? We we we
have different functions. So there's things that you're doing that
I can't do and the the creative end. Hey, he
gives some this creative energy or ideas that we can
help in another way. So that's the beauty that we
work together. We can't do it on our own. And so, uh, yeah,
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I mean, there's some times where I see something, I
see some object lesson, I see some demo something, uh,
and I say, oh my goodness, there's a devotional in
there someplace. We got to figure out how to use this,
like electrocuting the pickle. The first time I saw that,
I thought, this has got to be a spiritual lesson.
S3 (36:32):
But, you.
S2 (36:33):
Know, what do we do with it? You know?
S3 (36:35):
Well, here we go.
S1 (36:35):
Okay, you brought it up. I promised our listeners we
get to it. Let's talk about electrocuting the pickle. What
do we learn from that?
S2 (36:43):
Okay, this is this is this is going to be
an interesting one. Now, this is one of those ones
that would be, you know, kind of dangerous, uh, but.
And you brought up, I think earlier you were talking
about your wife. Will she really be for this? Yes,
she will, yes she will. Here's what I here's what
I tell wives. You know, moms, when they're a little
bit concerned, I say, do you ever leave your car
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keys on the on the counter? Well, yeah. Well, wait
a minute. The kids could grab that. They could take
the car and they could drive away. That's dangerous. Well, no, no,
they're not going to do it because. Right. You train them.
Of course, it's the same thing with this. So you
can say to, you know, your kids look we're going
to do one. This is going to be a little bit,
you know, a little a little more dangerous. Uh, and,
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and they're going to be leaning forward. First of all,
you've got to understand they are really tuned in, which
is good. Uh, and so I just, you know, encourage
them to tell the kids, look, anytime you want to
see this demo again, you want to do it for friends. Hey,
I'll do it. We'll be there. I'd love to do it,
but if you start doing it on your own, we're
going to go back to Bible picture storybooks for devotions. And, uh,
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they're not going to like that very much. Right. So
doing the fun stuff. So, so you take like a
little extension cord, um, that you might use for a lamp,
you know, when you, when the cord is not long enough,
you cut off the socket end and you can separate
those wires. You just wrap those wires around the head
of a nail, put a little electrical tape on each side.
So now you've got these two like electrodes. Right. Okay.
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It's not plugged in. It's not plugged in. That's important. Uh,
so now you take a nice big deal, pickle, put
it on a plate, and you stick one nail in
one end, and you stick the other nail in the other. Now,
you plug that in, and when you plug that in.
you'll hear a little sizzling, and then a little steam
comes out, and then the pickle lights up. It's like
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there's a battle inside all these flashes of light. If
you dim the lights, it is absolutely, you know, amazing
when you look at this. And so we do that,
then we unplug it and we transfer over to a
spiritual truth and talk about what did we see here
and the fact that it looked like a battle. We say,
you know what? This is like the Christian life. We're
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like this pickle. And often there's a battle inside us
because we've got two influences in our life a positive
the Holy Spirit and a negative our old nature. And
when those are present. Galatians 517 talks about there's a war,
there's a battle going on inside us, things we want
to do that we know we shouldn't, or things that
we're doing that we know we need to stop. There's
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a battle. Well, how do we stop that battle? Well,
just like with the the pickle, we could take out
one nail or the other nail in the battles over. Um,
but in the spiritual sense, very often what people do
is they, they push back or they quench the Holy Spirit. Wow.
And and the fight is over. We don't feel the
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fight anymore, but we're just left with the old nature.
That is not a good place to be as a Christian,
but instead, the word shows us how we want to
use the Holy Spirit and some self-control, and we use
that to push back the old nature in this little battle.
And we keep doing that. And after a while, that
battle no longer becomes a battle. And then there'll be
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something else. But we use that same thing, so we
can use this electrocuting pickle to teach a really, really
important lesson about maturing in the faith.
S1 (40:11):
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it out to you. I am having a blast having
a conversation today with Tim Shoemaker about this wonderful devotional resource. Tim.
We've talked about everything from leaf blowers and jello Yellow
and electrocuting pickles. Let me ask this question. Out of
all the 52 activities and devotions, which one has really
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been your favorite over the years?
S2 (42:32):
Oh my goodness, there's so many. I've enjoyed that leaf
blower like crazy, but there's other ones that are maybe. Well,
there's one. One that I call Catching Fire. I've loved
that because maybe we're using fire. Uh, but, uh, we
get we get several, um, tubes of paste, you get,
you get diaper rash paste, you get tooth paste, and
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you can get this stuff called fire paste, and you
can get that at any camping store. So you can
order it online. And now we wrap them with foil
and we have a little, you know, piece of wood
for each of the, you know, the kids and, and
have them pick a tube and make an X on
it on that board. Okay. Great. Now the whole idea
is you're going to try to ignite that. You're going
to do this outside for obvious reasons. And uh, so
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you you try to ignite that. And only one of
those is going to ignite and it's going to burn
real nice. And that's the fire paste. And then we
then we talk about that transitional truth. What kind of
what kind of Christian do they want to grow up
to be? Going back to Ephesians 210, who do they
want to be? And we talk about different Christians. We
open up the one tube, the diaper rash paste. Oh, boy.
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You know, that's like the baby Christians. You're always cleaning
up their messes. But you know what? They never really
ignite for Christ. They're just. They just don't burn. You
have to keep you have to keep babying them. And
then the toothpaste. Um, you know, it's represents the Christians.
A lot of them. They just want to look good.
They've got that great Christian smile, but there's no depth.
They don't ignite. And then, of course, the fireplace igniting
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for Jesus and keep burning. What kind of a Christian
do you want to be? And and encouraging them to
be one who is on fire for the Lord. So
I don't know, but there's so many I could I
could go to.
S3 (44:13):
You know.
S1 (44:14):
I know I.
S3 (44:14):
Love it, I.
S1 (44:15):
Love it, and, you know, you got my mind racing.
And again, I know this is for kids, but brother,
let me just tell you, as a 44 year old father, man,
this is for all of us and I love it.
Let's help some wives, though, for a moment, who have
husbands that maybe aren't where they are spiritually, maybe spiritually disengaged.
What do you want to say to those wives?
S2 (44:35):
Well, I want to encourage him. You know, the kids
still have to learn, but understand if they're going to
try to push their husband or shame them into it,
it's not going to work. It's not going to work
for long. So, um, what I think part of it
is to understand where your man's at. If he's a Christian,
I would say he's probably afraid. He's intimidated by it. Um,
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you know, as men, we don't want to be embarrassed
in front of our kids, right? That's we really don't
want that. And oftentimes they're going to just they just
don't think this is going to work. They think the
kids will be bored or they won't pay attention. And
that to them is embarrassing. They would rather not even
step into that arena because they're afraid this is going
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to happen. So what I would say to this, this
wife is, you know what? You pick up the book,
you start looking at some things that are in the
comfort zone of your husband. So if it is the
electrical one or something with the fire, we do one
with a fire pit, which would be super easy for
her husband to get involved with. And so let him
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do the activity, say, hey honey, I want to talk
to the kids about the importance of whatever going to church,
for example. Um, and I'm going to need some squirt
guns and, and we need to build a campfire, you know,
maybe in the fire pit or something like that. Could
could you help out with that fire thing? And then
I just want to talk to the kids just a
little bit about the importance of this. And so now
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you let him get involved in the area that's in
his comfort zone. Wait a minute. I'm just running an activity. Hey,
I'm starting a fire. I can do that. Um, you know,
and then. So maybe he's running this activity part, and
then she's tying it in with the nugget of truth.
Not a long lesson, just a nugget of truth. And
you know what? You do that a few times. He's
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going to see this was easy. This was fun. The
kids were engaged. And you're breaking down all those stereotypes
in their mind of what it would have been and
how bad it would have been, and you start to
build them up.
S1 (46:39):
Well, brother, you've been a blessing. You've showed us the way.
You've put together the resource, the very best hands on
kind of dangerous family devotions, 52 activities your kids will
never forget. Tim Shoemaker, thank you, brother, for joining me today.
S2 (46:54):
Thanks very much. I'd love to be here. Chris.
S1 (46:56):
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Hey friends, please enjoy this encore presentation of Equipped with
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edition of equip with Chris Brooks! I am so thrilled
you have joined me today. Why don't you do me
a favor? Strap on your seat belt. We're going to
navigate through the contours of culture, as always, with the
lens of the biblical worldview on. But before we do that,
let me remind you, this is the day that the
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Lord has made. He has given it as a gift
so that you and I can rejoice and be glad
in it. So let's do just that. Let's follow the
words of the Apostle Paul. Let's rejoice in the Lord always.
And again I say, rejoice. Well, my friends, today I
want to help you as parents to be able to
have phenomenal, life changing and memorable devotional time with your kids.
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I want you to be empowered to turn boring devotional
times into something that they actually listen to, take notice of,
and that they will never forget. And so in order
to do that, I got a resource that has one
of the very best titles I have ever experienced. As
a matter of fact, here's the title. Get ready. It
is the very best hands on kind of dangerous family devotions.
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And it's by Tim Shoemaker. He joins me today. Tim
is the author of 14 books for Parents and Kids.
He's worked as a volunteer with youth at his local
church for over 25 years. He also speaks to thousands
of students at public schools every year. He's a popular
workshop speaker, and he's been heard on focus on the family,
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Iron Sharpening, Iron Man's conference, and great homeschool conventions as well.
He's joining me today to talk about the very best
hands on, kind of dangerous family devotions. How are you, brother?
S2 (02:05):
Hey, I'm doing great, Chris. Thanks for having me.
S1 (02:08):
You know what? I appreciate it. Talk just for a
moment about your passion for our families and gathering around
the word.
S2 (02:18):
Well, I have such a heart, obviously, for kids. And,
you know, there's that that stage where they're they're innocent
and everything is changing and they're learning about things. And
in so many ways. Uh, my heart goes out to
kids and they so many get messed up and they
get involved in the wrong things. And I just want
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this chance for us to be able to reach out
to these kids and help these kids at home. And
for many of them will keep them from getting in
some of those traps, and others, we're going to just
make things a little bit better so they can get
out of the traps they're already in. Uh, but yeah,
just a heart for those kids has been just a
huge thing for me.
S1 (02:56):
Well, you know, I think that that heart is a
heart that has produced, led you to produce a number
of resources. But I don't want people to think that
this is just a job for you. This is deeply
personal for you. You know, one of my favorite pages
of any book is the dedication page, and I just
want to read yours to Andy and Laura, to Mark
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and Sarah and Luke and Beth. May this book be
one more tool to help you teach the next generation
about God and the principle he gives, the principles he
gives us to live by. And then you quote Psalm
one 1918 open my eyes that I may see wonderful
things in your law. Who are these wonderful people and
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why are they important to you as you made this resource?
S2 (03:42):
Well, the three boys mentioned are my sons and their wives,
and of course they're all having kids now, so that's terrific.
And it was this love for my sons and trying
to find a way to connect, to teach them spiritual
truth at home. And I struggled with it. I struggled,
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I just felt like I wasn't getting through or you'd
see the kids be bored as they were growing up.
But when I finally, by God's grace, he was starting
to lead me into how to do it, where it connected.
And I saw that change and that was so exciting
to me. And and of course, I want them to
have the same thing with their kids.
S1 (04:22):
Yeah, I think that's beautiful. I think it's great. You know,
anytime I write, I try to keep someone in mind,
you know, as I'm writing, I think that makes me
a better writer. Tim. And I see that with this
resource that in many ways, what you did in private,
you just went public with it. And and it's a
blessing to us all. All right. Let's talk about what
it means to go from a struggling, kind of disengaged
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devotional time to a fully engaged devotional time. What's the
big secret for making that transition?
S2 (04:55):
Well, I think the big thing is, is to do
something active an activity, an object lesson, at least, at
the very least, something visual. And so what you do
is you you do this little activity or this object
lesson with the kids. It has them engaged. And then
you tie in this nugget of spiritual truth at the end,
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and the two of them become etched in their mind
and they remember it. So anytime they think about this
crazy thing you did, they remember that lesson that you
taught them. And it's just a nugget of truth. So
this these aren't, uh, you know, Bible studies where you're
taking a deep look in the word. It's a devotional.
And our goal is get one nugget of truth across,
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but in a way where they never forget.
S1 (05:42):
Yeah, we're going to talk about some of the, uh,
the dangerous things you did. I'm just wondering if my
my wife will actually let me electrocute a pickle. I'm
just wondering if she'll let me use the snowblower. I'm sorry.
The leaf blower to demonstrate and teach lessons on the
Holy Spirit. You know, it's funny. One of my most
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memorable devotions. Now, you got a picture of this. I'm 66, right? Uh. And, uh.
S3 (06:09):
And so, you know.
S1 (06:11):
We wanted to reenact David and Goliath, and I wanted
to do it with the boys. And so I told
I told them, you go get your slingshots. Let me
just say this. By the end of the devotion, the
living room was a wreck. And I just think my wife,
she's been merciful. She's forgiven me. Uh, but I'm going
to have to sell her on some of these ideas.
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But just talk a little bit before we get into
all of these creative ideas. From jello to leaf blowers
to pickles. But before we get into all of those
creative things, talk about your commitment to the Word of God.
Because at the end of the day, yeah, these illustrations
are great. They're fun, they're engaging, they're multi-sensory. But it's
ultimately about getting the word in their hearts, isn't it?
S2 (06:55):
You're absolutely right. And so we want to be true
to the word. And this is why, you know, going
back to Deuteronomy four and six and 11, you know,
it talks about the fact that we're to we're to
teach our kids about God and the principles he gives
us to live by. And so this word is extremely important.
And and that's what we want to teach from, not just, uh,
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nice things to teach them, but we teach them the word.
And the thing of it is, is you can have
the most creative ideas in the world, and that's and
that's important, but it's only half the equation. The other
part is, is us, um, the person teaching it, we
need to be the real deal. We need to be
following the Lord and and following his word. And when
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we put those two together, when we're putting it into practice,
when we're living it out, you know, then we've then
we've got something to say. And then we use an
object lesson to, to catch their attention.
S1 (07:54):
Well, we can't get the word into their hearts without
having the word in our hearts. We've all heard that
devotional time with our kids described this way. Maybe you've
heard it this way, that it's about building a bridge
from my heart to their heart that Jesus can walk across.
And and in many ways, it really is the deposit
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of the Word of God in our own lives being
transferred to our kids. And so all month long, we're
going to be encouraging our parents and adults to get
this wonderful resource that we're making available. While you are exploring,
getting this wonderful devotion that Tim has put out. Also,
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have links. Tim. We've talked about how your parenting life,
family life have impacted this devotional. What about your time
as a youth worker, uh, volunteering, working with youth. How
has that impacted this resource?
S2 (09:56):
Well, I think, uh, so much the idea of, you know,
how am I going to connect with these kids, how
do I get through? And found very much that the
very things Jesus was doing when he taught and when
he walked this earth, are the very types of things
that we do. You know, he he often taught nuggets
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of truth. It wasn't, you know, a big three point sermon.
It was a nugget of truth he got across and
often with a story or sometimes he did it with
an object lesson. Now, often we call those object lessons miracles.
But they were still an object lesson. Yeah, right. You know,
here's a guy. He can't walk. Oh, now he can walk.
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What did we just learn here, people? You know, uh,
so there's things like this that we want to employ
those same things. So when working with youth, I found
if I'm going to get through to them, I'm going
to use stories. I'm going to have visuals with me
or do some sort of an object lesson. I try
to do something about every five minutes that to make
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sure that they stay engaged when I'm speaking with them.
And then, um, and then you're tying these things in,
and again, in a way where they don't forget.
S1 (11:10):
Yeah. Now, has that changed over time, your time in
working with youth and and children. Has that changed the
way you engage them?
S2 (11:18):
Oh, definitely. Um, yeah, it definitely does. And you've got
to listen. Right. And you've got to, uh, they've got
to trust you. So one of the things when I'm
talking with youth right off the bat, uh, you know,
I kind of make this agreement with them. I'll. I'll
always tell you the truth. Um, you know, even if
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it's hard, I will tell you the truth. Because we
live in a world of lies, and a lot of
people aren't going to tell you the truth. So if
you've got a question, um, that's my commitment to you,
to tell you the truth. And I'll explain why it's
the truth. Uh, so I think early on, they begin
to trust you and say, okay, he's going to tell
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the truth. And, um, And there's so many things, you know,
Jesus was all about telling the truth, right? He he
was straightening out misconceptions about God and misconceptions about God's
principles for living. Uh, you know, people think that the
the Bible is this book of do's and don'ts and
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it's so strict and restrictive. And I say, oh my goodness, no,
it's the opposite. It's freeing. It's, it's a, it's a,
it's a, it's a survival guide because we've got an
enemy hunting us. Yes. Uh, you know, our world system
has got how many laws do you think? And regulations. Millions. Uh,
they're they're uncountable. But Jesus boiled it down to two. Now,
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love God, love others.
S1 (12:46):
That's powerful.
S2 (12:47):
Yeah. So. So, actually, um, you know, the word is,
is so often not what people want to make it
out to be.
S1 (12:57):
Well, friends whom the Son of Man has set free
is free indeed. We're going to talk about freedom through
God's Word, and how we can convey that passion that
clearly comes through when Tim talks about teaching our kids
the Word of God. We're going to talk about how
that can be a part of your devotional time. As
we get ready to take this first break. This is
a devotional, uh, resource that will give you 52 activities
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that your kids will never forget. And by the time
it's all said and done, we're going to talk about
the way grandparents can use this. What if you're like
me and you have a house full of kids that
range in a wide variety of ages? We're going to
talk about that. What if you have kids that just
want no parts of devotional time and they rebel against it?
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S1 (15:00):
Welcome back to equipped with Chris Brooks. My guest today,
Tim Shoemaker, talking about this wonderful devotional resource. He's produced
a very best hands on a dangerous family devotions. It's
52 activities your kids will never forget as they learn
the Word of God. You can find out more at
our website. Equip radio.org. Okay. Real quickly Tim, what can
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I learn about the Holy Spirit from a leaf blower?
S2 (15:27):
Okay, well, first of all, you take a regular leaf
blower and you can convert this in about ten minutes
to shoot toilet paper. It's fantastic. We we just. Yeah,
we just connect a paint roller to the end of it,
and we use just regular, uh, single ply toilet paper.
And you can unload that thing in less than 10s
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in one continuous stream. So that's sort of the the
background information. Real easy. We show you how to do that.
And then you have a couple of the kids or whatever.
You've got them doing a little toilet paper race. So
you hand them a roll of toilet paper, have them
use their fingers like a spool and unload that, say, okay,
we're going to have a race. You're going to unload
or unroll this toilet paper here. And meantime, dad is
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going to work with one of the other kids or whatever.
We're going to work together. We're going to do it
a little different way, and we're going to we're going
to race you. All right, so you guys take a
head start. You let them go. They're unrolling this toilet paper.
And then we pull out the leaf blower. We load
the toilet paper on there, turn it on and it
empties this thing so quick. And of course, we just
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we just blow them away. Well, the point of it is,
is we show them that, you know, just like they
didn't expect, um, us to pull out a leaf blower
to shoot this toilet paper. That's the way it is.
Life with the Holy Spirit. Sometimes we can be like
the kid unrolling the toilet paper. We're working as hard
as we can, we can't seem to go much faster. Um,
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we're trying not to mess up. But then that's the
way it is when we're working life in our own power.
The leaf blower just illustrates, hey, when the Holy Spirit
is working and flowing through us, he does things that
we would never expect and things that were once hard
for us become very easy because often the Holy Spirit
is changing our heart. He's changing us on the inside.
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And so it's just little things like that where we
teach that little nugget of spiritual truth.
S1 (17:24):
You know, I love that. And and again, these are
exciting and fun activities. And the way the book is
laid out, it gives you how to how to prep
in advance. It gives you obviously the the discussion guidelines,
you know, and the text as well. It helps you
to walk through passages of Scripture, for example, for this
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particular one, Galatians 516, Paul writes, so I say, let
the Holy Spirit guide your lives, then you won't be
doing what your sinful nature craves. And so you can
really launch into, as you said, a discussion about the
Holy Spirit, what happens when he guides our life and
and all of it leading to not only activity, but
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memorable conversations as well. Galatians 525 says, since we are
living by the spirit, let us follow the Spirit's lead
in every part of our lives. What does that look like?
And this is a great illustration of our power versus
his power. Now I could see again my younger ones
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getting involved in this and being pretty excited. My five
year old Sophia, my seven year old Judah, my ten
year old Cameron. They would love stuff like this. What
do you say to teens parents that have, you know,
I got a 14 year old. What do you what
do you say to parents who have teens about how
to get them engaged and involved? Tim.
S2 (18:51):
Okay, so when you've got kids that are getting a
little bit older, you know, and some of them might
be great, they're totally engaged. They're in it. Wonderful. You
just keep working with that. But some of them, they're
going to feel that family devotions are below them, and
they're going to feel like you're treating them like a kid.
Then I would do one of a couple things. One,
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you could take them aside and just explain, hey, you
know what? God's given me this job. I've got to
teach my kids about him and about the principles he
gives us to live by and and just encourage them
to to go along with that a little bit. So
sometimes that's all it takes. But other times, again, when
they're thinking this is below them, then I make them
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my helper. So I say, look, there's things we've got
to teach your younger brother, your younger sisters, whatever it
would be. Uh, and here's what dad's going to do
this week. And we're going to, we're going to convert
this leaf blower to, uh, shoot toilet paper. And so
you and I are going to work on that together.
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And if there's supplies to pick up, you take your
14 year old with you. And if there's a time
to test it ahead of time, you test it ahead
of time. You two work it out. Now he's now
he's not one of the kids so much. He's in
it with you. And when you actually do the devotional,
you might actually put him in charge of a certain
part of it. Like, for example, the leaf blower. Hey,
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when we pull out the leaf blower, you're going to
be the one doing that. Okay. So see, now they're
into that and they're on the inside scoop. They're not
treated like one of the kids. But when all is
said and done, they're still getting the lesson that you're
trying to teach. And the beauty of it, Chris, is
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that you're also prepping them and teaching them how to
do it someday, when they're a dad or when they're
a mom. Or they can teach their own kids because, hey,
you know what I used to? I used to help
my parents teach my little brother or my little sisters,
you know? So, um, Generally when you bring them along
that way, they're good with it.
S1 (20:55):
Yeah. You know, I'll be honest with you, this stuff
I know you put together for young kids and maybe
even teenagers, but I believe this is the type of
stuff that works for all ages. Who doesn't want to
have a multi-sensory experience when it comes to learning God's Word?
So parents, the kids can be the excuse. If you've
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always wanted to have a more engaging time in studying
God's Word, this is the type of resource that is
great for you as well. This is why I'm introducing
it to you. We are all about bringing guests and
resources before you that we believe will help to equip
you to more effectively live, share, and defend your faith.
That's why I'm saying go to our website, equip radio.org. Also,
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our social media is available to you. I'll mention that
throughout the program because we're going to pick three. That's right.
Three of you to just say thank you for listening.
And we're going to send you a copy of this
wonderful devotional. All right. Listen, uh, Tim, uh, Ephesians two
and ten. I love this. This is one of my
life verses. It says this Paul writing for we are
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God's handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works,
which God prepared in advance for us to do. Ephesians
two and ten. So in my mind, I think about
the type of life that I want to have devoted
to God, my family, serving God. This is a pretty
beautiful picture, but what do I learn about building that
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type of life from a Lego set?
S2 (22:28):
Well, all right, that's all right. So, you know, when
you when you get a box of Legos, it's always
the same. You've got this great looking picture on the cover,
but when you open it up, what do you get?
Bags of pieces and an instruction book. And it's a
great way you get this box of Legos with the
kids and you and you talk about Legos with them
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just a little bit, and then you transition over to
that spiritual truth that this Christian life is so much
like a box of Legos. Uh, you know, we can
have a, a great picture of the type of person
we want to be, but just like a Lego, it
doesn't come ready made. We must we must build according
to the instructions. And, um. And this word tells us
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exactly how we do that, how to be building ourselves
into that mature Christian that we want to be. So
we've got that great picture and some, some spots in
the word. They almost read like a Lego, you know,
instruction book would be, you know, second Peter five 1
to 8, you know, for this very reason, make every
effort to add to your faith, goodness and to goodness,
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knowledge and to knowledge self-control. You know, it's like building
the the Lego pieces together. And so we just use
that as a reminder to them that this is it
doesn't come ready made. We have to do some work
and he's going to do some work in us. We
work together.
S1 (23:50):
What do you say to your kids then, when hard
things come? Because, you know, you can be building a
Lego set. And I've seen this happen among my kids.
One of them, you know, maybe has a bad attitude
that they didn't get the particular Legos that the other
one got, and they just kind of come over and
knock down the whole edifice that they've been building. Sometimes
life is like that, right? Sometimes hard things come to
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us through life. What do you say to kids about, uh,
about how we should think about when hard times come?
S2 (24:19):
Well, you know, let's go back to the Lego thing
for a moment. You know, we're making this Lego project
out of all these little blocks. And to me, in life,
these are the experiences we have, the knowledge we gain.
All these different things are our little blocks in our life.
Some are good and some are very, very hard, but
they make us into the person God is designing us to.
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To be going back to Ephesians 210 like you brought
up things. He's planned for us, these good things. And
so there have been times or there will be times
in their life where that Lego project, it's like you
hold it up over your head and you drop it
to the floor and pieces scatter all over. That's the
way life can feel for kids very often. But oftentimes
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what happens? God just takes those those same pieces and
he builds something a little bit different and it's better. Um,
and we see how all these things that he put
in our life, uh, these experiences such that we had
the good times, the bad times, they all are used.
He doesn't waste a thing to build us into that
kind of person that he's designed us to be.
S1 (25:25):
Well, someone who's listening that maybe is an adult that's
listening to us right now needed to hear that and
be reminded of that. God doesn't waste a thing. He
takes the good, he takes the bad, and all of
it works together for his glory and for our good.
So grateful to have Tim Shoemaker here. He's an author,
he's a dad, he's a youth worker. He's put all
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of those experiences together to produce the very best hands on,
kind of dangerous family devotions. 52 activities your kids will
never forget. Why don't you get a copy by going
to our website? Equip radio.org. When we come back, we're
going to talk about how we can use Jell-O to
help to explain a lesson about our brains. Don't go anywhere.
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Much more to come. Next up on equip. Chris Brooks
here reminding you that today's program is pre-recorded. While we
won't be taking calls, we do want to connect with
you on social media. Welcome back to equip with Chris Brooks,
having a phenomenal conversation with Tim Shoemaker about this wonderful
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52 lesson family devotional resources put together. You know, one
of the friends of equip is our good friend Kathy Cook.
Doctor Kathy Cook. She says this about the the resource
Tim has put together. She says this book is fabulous.
The devotions are memorable, unique, fun for all ages, engaging
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and not complicated. You and your children are going to
learn so much. Well, anything Cathy endorses I want to
have on my bookshelf, so I do encourage you to
get a copy. Find out more about how you can
order a copy at our website. Equip radio.org. And if
you're just tuning in, social media is available to you
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as well. We love to get new friends and followers
on social media, Facebook and Twitter. Equip radio. And so
what we're going to do to incentivize you, encourage you
to thank you for listening, as we have three copies
that we're going to give away of the very best
hands on, kind of dangerous family devotions that Tim Shoemaker
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has put together. All right, Tim, tell us a little
bit about this jello.
S2 (27:39):
Okay. There's there's a couple of things you can do
with gel. In fact, I think there's two devotions in
there with it. But one of the ones is, you know,
you can you can make a regular Jell-O mold. Uh, now,
you could do it in just a typical Jell-O mold. Um,
you know, pan that you use. Or you can go
online if you want to prepare ahead, and you can
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order one that's shaped like a brain, which is.
S3 (28:04):
So.
S2 (28:05):
Much more fun. Okay. So you can get this brain one.
And so then what you do, you could take it
up on a ladder. You could take it to a
second story window and, uh, you know, you hold it
out or let one of the kids hold it out
if they're older and let it go. And of course,
when that thing hits the pavement below, it's going to splatter. And,
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you know, that's fun. If you want to make a
couple of the molds, you can let a couple of
kids do it. But the point is then is you
start to tie that into a spiritual truth, you know? Yeah.
You know, our brain is fragile, isn't it? That's why
it's encased in a skull. And that's why we wear
helmets when we play sports or ride our bike, because
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the the brain is fragile. We've got to protect it.
And they all get that there with that. Um, and
then use that to transition into a discussion to talk
about how we've got to protect our minds. And, uh,
in a very we're all about the physical sense, protecting
our brains. But what about in the spiritual sense? And
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then we can talk about ways that we do that,
to talk about how we, uh, keep from being deceived, uh,
for one, uh, or in another devotional. They're just the
talk about, um, you know, what you allow in your life,
you can do this where you make this jello and
you just pick up junk. Okay? So maybe you pick
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up some, uh, you know, you empty the bag of
your vacuum cleaner, and you got hair and fuzz and
all this stuff, and you and you put some of
that in the jello before it's hardened, right? So you
got all this stuff in there. You can take little,
you can take bugs or whatever, a nice clear jello.
And when you slice it open and there's all this
stuff in there, they're like, oh, sick. Well, yeah, that
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doesn't belong in there, does it? No, that's not appetizing.
And that can lead you right into a quick discussion
about the things we allow in our brain, uh, that, uh,
we don't want this junk in there.
S1 (30:01):
Now, what do you say to parents who are listening
about what's typical as far as the prep time for
one of these devotionals, and how long is a typical
devotional that you've put together for the very best hands
on kind of dangerous family devotions?
S2 (30:17):
Well, the prep time can, you know, if you're making
a jello, there's a little bit of prep there. Most
of them. It's really very quick, um, the prep time
that you do in advance and the devotional itself, often
they're 5 minutes to 10 minutes. They're not very long,
including your wrap up time, because you're just getting a
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nugget of truth across in a way where they remember
it and the kids to them, it's it's painless. You
had some little activity, you tied something in, and it
gets to the point where they aren't dreading family devotions.
They're actually beginning to look forward to it. Uh, I
found that in my own life, when one of my
boys had asked me, hey, dad, when are we going
to have family devotions again? I realized, okay, I'm on
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to something here. You know, this has changed. It was
so different from trying to round them up. Hey, guys,
we want to have a little devotional here. Um, so
it was when we started doing the active stuff that
that made all the difference, but it doesn't take a
lot of time. And here's the other thing I think, Chris,
is it doesn't take a lot of time prep wise
for yourself. You can you can have notes in front
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of you. You can have a book in front of you.
I've always had that. When I talk with kids, I've
always got notes in front of me. Um, and they're
okay with that. Especially like with the book, if if
it looks if it looks like it's the first time
you've looked at this, well, then that's going to be
a problem. But take that book, highlight it, cross something out,
make a note in the margin and they see that
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you've looked at this, but you can work right through
the book. Otherwise, if the prep time takes too long,
you're going to start skipping weeks. Yeah. As a parent.
And so we're trying to make this. So it's it's
not that we want to make it easy to get
in and and to get out.
S1 (32:02):
What are the top spiritual issues Tim. Uh, among our
kids that you're most concerned about in this season?
S2 (32:10):
Oh, boy. Well, right now, uh, there's so much. You know,
we've got kids that are, uh, discouraged. Uh, they can
be depressed. We've got kids that are wondering, is there
a purpose for them? What's this all about? Is it,
you know, you look at that, that Lego lesson that
we talked about. You know, they're not seeing the picture, uh,
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at the end. We they can't even see that many
of them right at this point. There's all kinds of
added temptations that kids have got. So we want to
address a lot of these different issues in a in
a very positive way. Um, and I think they're feeling heard.
They're feeling understood and they're not feeling so alone. And
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they see how God can help.
S1 (32:55):
Yeah. I think this is really good, folks. You can
find out more about the very best hands on Kind
of Dangerous Family devotions by going to our website. Equip
radio.org that's equipped radio.org. We really are encouraging you to
get this resource. And maybe you've started some devotions before
and never finished them because let's be honest, not only
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were the kids bored, but you were bored as well
and didn't know how to keep it engaging. I promise you,
this one will feel and be totally different. Not lacking
in substance. Don't get me wrong, the activities only go
to support the teaching of the word. Just like in scripture,
how miracles were for messages, signs were for sermons, wonders
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were for the word. So this devotional helps you to
go deeper into Scripture. And so I want to encourage
you to get a copy of the very best hands
on Kind of Dangerous Family Devotions 52 activities that Your
Kids Will Never Forget. Go to our website equip radio.org.
I've always believed, Tim, that grandparents are the second most
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important group of people in the life of a child.
What do you want to say to grandparents about how
they can use this to engage their grandkids?
S2 (34:11):
Oh boy, grandparents are in a terrific place. Often the
grandkids are just a little bit more patient with grandma
and Grandpa in different ways. And often grandparents, they're looking
for ways. How do I connect with these kids? What
do we talk about? Boy, you do an activity, you
do some sort of an object lesson and let that
open up a discussion, and you're teaching them truth about
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God's Word. This is fantastic to be able to do
that with them. So, um, I would really encourage grandparents. Yes.
Get involved. And when you've got the kids, you can
do that even if they can't be with the kids.
A lot of these things you could do on zoom,
they could just, you know, set something up and they'd
do some little demo for them. And and then they
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talk about it a little bit. But it's, it's better
in person for sure.
S1 (34:55):
Yeah. I want to commend my mom who may even
be listening. Now, you know, my mom has this rhythm
with our kids where she's going to share at least
a verse, sometimes multiple verses per week, but at least
a verse of Scripture a week to really engage their
hearts around and to encourage them around. Well, you think
about grandparents who take their jobs seriously and imparting the
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Word of God, and then you equip them with resources
like yours. Tim. I think it takes it to another level.
And what you've just done for guys like me who
aren't super creative when it comes to kids ministry, there's
a reason why they kick kicked me out of kids ministry. Tim. Uh,
you know, I'm not cut from the same creative cloth
as you. You just made our jobs easier because you
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just took the creative work and said, hey, I'll help
to think about that if you just show up to
the party. Is that kind of the message you want
to send to parents?
S2 (35:50):
Absolutely. Hey, the body of Christ, right? We we we
have different functions. So there's things that you're doing that
I can't do and the the creative end. Hey, he
gives some this creative energy or ideas that we can
help in another way. So that's the beauty that we
work together. We can't do it on our own. And so, uh, yeah,
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I mean, there's some times where I see something, I
see some object lesson, I see some demo something, uh,
and I say, oh my goodness, there's a devotional in
there someplace. We got to figure out how to use this,
like electrocuting the pickle. The first time I saw that,
I thought, this has got to be a spiritual lesson.
S3 (36:32):
But, you.
S2 (36:33):
Know, what do we do with it? You know?
S3 (36:35):
Well, here we go.
S1 (36:35):
Okay, you brought it up. I promised our listeners we
get to it. Let's talk about electrocuting the pickle. What
do we learn from that?
S2 (36:43):
Okay, this is this is this is going to be
an interesting one. Now, this is one of those ones
that would be, you know, kind of dangerous, uh, but.
And you brought up, I think earlier you were talking
about your wife. Will she really be for this? Yes,
she will, yes she will. Here's what I here's what
I tell wives. You know, moms, when they're a little
bit concerned, I say, do you ever leave your car
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keys on the on the counter? Well, yeah. Well, wait
a minute. The kids could grab that. They could take
the car and they could drive away. That's dangerous. Well, no, no,
they're not going to do it because. Right. You train them.
Of course, it's the same thing with this. So you
can say to, you know, your kids look we're going
to do one. This is going to be a little bit,
you know, a little a little more dangerous. Uh, and,
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and they're going to be leaning forward. First of all,
you've got to understand they are really tuned in, which
is good. Uh, and so I just, you know, encourage
them to tell the kids, look, anytime you want to
see this demo again, you want to do it for friends. Hey,
I'll do it. We'll be there. I'd love to do it,
but if you start doing it on your own, we're
going to go back to Bible picture storybooks for devotions. And, uh,
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they're not going to like that very much. Right. So
doing the fun stuff. So, so you take like a
little extension cord, um, that you might use for a lamp,
you know, when you, when the cord is not long enough,
you cut off the socket end and you can separate
those wires. You just wrap those wires around the head
of a nail, put a little electrical tape on each side.
So now you've got these two like electrodes. Right. Okay.
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It's not plugged in. It's not plugged in. That's important. Uh,
so now you take a nice big deal, pickle, put
it on a plate, and you stick one nail in
one end, and you stick the other nail in the other. Now,
you plug that in, and when you plug that in.
you'll hear a little sizzling, and then a little steam
comes out, and then the pickle lights up. It's like
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there's a battle inside all these flashes of light. If
you dim the lights, it is absolutely, you know, amazing
when you look at this. And so we do that,
then we unplug it and we transfer over to a
spiritual truth and talk about what did we see here
and the fact that it looked like a battle. We say,
you know what? This is like the Christian life. We're
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like this pickle. And often there's a battle inside us
because we've got two influences in our life a positive
the Holy Spirit and a negative our old nature. And
when those are present. Galatians 517 talks about there's a war,
there's a battle going on inside us, things we want
to do that we know we shouldn't, or things that
we're doing that we know we need to stop. There's
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a battle. Well, how do we stop that battle? Well,
just like with the the pickle, we could take out
one nail or the other nail in the battles over. Um,
but in the spiritual sense, very often what people do
is they, they push back or they quench the Holy Spirit. Wow.
And and the fight is over. We don't feel the
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fight anymore, but we're just left with the old nature.
That is not a good place to be as a Christian,
but instead, the word shows us how we want to
use the Holy Spirit and some self-control, and we use
that to push back the old nature in this little battle.
And we keep doing that. And after a while, that
battle no longer becomes a battle. And then there'll be
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something else. But we use that same thing, so we
can use this electrocuting pickle to teach a really, really
important lesson about maturing in the faith.
S1 (40:11):
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Gift of any size to the ministry. We will send
it out to you. I am having a blast having
a conversation today with Tim Shoemaker about this wonderful devotional resource. Tim.
We've talked about everything from leaf blowers and jello Yellow
and electrocuting pickles. Let me ask this question. Out of
all the 52 activities and devotions, which one has really
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been your favorite over the years?
S2 (42:32):
Oh my goodness, there's so many. I've enjoyed that leaf
blower like crazy, but there's other ones that are maybe. Well,
there's one. One that I call Catching Fire. I've loved
that because maybe we're using fire. Uh, but, uh, we
get we get several, um, tubes of paste, you get,
you get diaper rash paste, you get tooth paste, and
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you can get this stuff called fire paste, and you
can get that at any camping store. So you can
order it online. And now we wrap them with foil
and we have a little, you know, piece of wood
for each of the, you know, the kids and, and
have them pick a tube and make an X on
it on that board. Okay. Great. Now the whole idea
is you're going to try to ignite that. You're going
to do this outside for obvious reasons. And uh, so
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you you try to ignite that. And only one of
those is going to ignite and it's going to burn
real nice. And that's the fire paste. And then we
then we talk about that transitional truth. What kind of
what kind of Christian do they want to grow up
to be? Going back to Ephesians 210, who do they
want to be? And we talk about different Christians. We
open up the one tube, the diaper rash paste. Oh, boy.
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You know, that's like the baby Christians. You're always cleaning
up their messes. But you know what? They never really
ignite for Christ. They're just. They just don't burn. You
have to keep you have to keep babying them. And
then the toothpaste. Um, you know, it's represents the Christians.
A lot of them. They just want to look good.
They've got that great Christian smile, but there's no depth.
They don't ignite. And then, of course, the fireplace igniting
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for Jesus and keep burning. What kind of a Christian
do you want to be? And and encouraging them to
be one who is on fire for the Lord. So
I don't know, but there's so many I could I
could go to.
S3 (44:13):
You know.
S1 (44:14):
I know I.
S3 (44:14):
Love it, I.
S1 (44:15):
Love it, and, you know, you got my mind racing.
And again, I know this is for kids, but brother,
let me just tell you, as a 44 year old father, man,
this is for all of us and I love it.
Let's help some wives, though, for a moment, who have
husbands that maybe aren't where they are spiritually, maybe spiritually disengaged.
What do you want to say to those wives?
S2 (44:35):
Well, I want to encourage him. You know, the kids
still have to learn, but understand if they're going to
try to push their husband or shame them into it,
it's not going to work. It's not going to work
for long. So, um, what I think part of it
is to understand where your man's at. If he's a Christian,
I would say he's probably afraid. He's intimidated by it. Um,
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you know, as men, we don't want to be embarrassed
in front of our kids, right? That's we really don't
want that. And oftentimes they're going to just they just
don't think this is going to work. They think the
kids will be bored or they won't pay attention. And
that to them is embarrassing. They would rather not even
step into that arena because they're afraid this is going
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to happen. So what I would say to this, this
wife is, you know what? You pick up the book,
you start looking at some things that are in the
comfort zone of your husband. So if it is the
electrical one or something with the fire, we do one
with a fire pit, which would be super easy for
her husband to get involved with. And so let him
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do the activity, say, hey honey, I want to talk
to the kids about the importance of whatever going to church,
for example. Um, and I'm going to need some squirt
guns and, and we need to build a campfire, you know,
maybe in the fire pit or something like that. Could
could you help out with that fire thing? And then
I just want to talk to the kids just a
little bit about the importance of this. And so now
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you let him get involved in the area that's in
his comfort zone. Wait a minute. I'm just running an activity. Hey,
I'm starting a fire. I can do that. Um, you know,
and then. So maybe he's running this activity part, and
then she's tying it in with the nugget of truth.
Not a long lesson, just a nugget of truth. And
you know what? You do that a few times. He's
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going to see this was easy. This was fun. The
kids were engaged. And you're breaking down all those stereotypes
in their mind of what it would have been and
how bad it would have been, and you start to
build them up.
S1 (46:39):
Well, brother, you've been a blessing. You've showed us the way.
You've put together the resource, the very best hands on
kind of dangerous family devotions, 52 activities your kids will
never forget. Tim Shoemaker, thank you, brother, for joining me today.
S2 (46:54):
Thanks very much. I'd love to be here. Chris.
S1 (46:56):
Hey, folks. Find out more at Equip radio.org and make
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