August 15, 2024 • 60 mins
Ever felt like you're constantly playing a part to fit into society's mold? Kaye Doran knows this struggle all too well. Growing up with a clear sense of her life path but often feeling alienated, Kaye turned these early challenges into a powerful career in professional transformation and leadership. With over three decades of experience, she's a master of combining shamanic energy, sound healing, and life coaching to empower women to create meaningful change in their lives. Join us as Kaye opens up about her journey, offering invaluable insights on staying authentic and true to oneself despite external pressures.
Imagine adjusting your perspective on life as you would fine-tune corrective lenses—gradually seeing clearer as you focus inward. Kaye and I explore the transformative power of inward reflection and meditation, emphasizing the realization that we aren’t broken; we need to reclaim our energy. By navigating beyond traditional religious frameworks that often limit spiritual awareness, we delve into personal experiences of healing and the importance of connecting deeply with the universe. This chapter is all about shifting from societal labels to embracing our intrinsic worth and spiritual growth.
Let's talk about boundaries. In an era dominated by social media, setting limits on time, relationships, and finances is crucial to avoid scattering our energy. Kaye shares practical advice on cultivating inner peace through meditation and breathing exercises, stressing the significance of embodying the knowledge we acquire. She reminds us that, like an apple seed inherently destined to become an apple tree, our worthiness needs no validation. Tune in for a heartfelt discussion filled with gratitude, positive energy, and inspiring calls to embrace your unique path of self-mastery and awakening.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's going on, guys ?
Princeton Clark here and you'retuned into another episode of
Evolve Mastery, and in thisepisode, I had an incredible
conversation with Kay Duran, atrue powerhouse in the world of
professional transformation andleadership.
Kay is an entrepreneur,facilitator, international
keynote speaker, bestsellingauthor and global thought leader
.
She's also the host of thepodcast, inner Voice of Knowing
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and a women's shamanicleadership life coach.
She's also the creator of InnerExpressions, a platform
dedicated to helping womenrealize their leadership
potential from within, and, withover three decades of
experience working with women,kay combines her unique gifts in
connection, knowing, shamanicenergy, sound healing and the
accreditation of being a masterlife coach to empower women to
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create meaningful change intheir lives.
Guys, I can go on and on aboutKay, but from the day that we
connected, we connected onlineand we had a few Zoom calls and
they just went amazing.
There was just so much synergy,and so I'm really excited to
have Kay on the show and toshare her with you.
We had an amazing conversation,so I want you guys to get
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comfortable.
Grab something to drink ifyou're driving, get focused,
make sure your seats are buckledin.
This is going to be a fun ride,but safety first.
But I love you guys, man, Ireally appreciate the support
and we're going to continue toflow.
We're going to continue to growand I have a number of other
guests that are going to becoming on the podcast that I'm
going to be sharing with youguys.
But without further ado, I wantto just go ahead and dive right
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into this conversation today.
So sit back and enjoy to mysoul cause.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I know that it's worth it, these affirmations,
let me know that I'm alreadyperfect.
Are you that one say, yes, I amhundred miles up?
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Say, yes, I can.
Is it our love?
Say, yes, I am, yes, I am, yes,I am.
Are you that one say, yes, I am, I'm all right?
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And it helps me realize thatI'm wealthy, rich in passion,
rich in magic.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
It's my life, so I tell me I'm all right and it
helps me.
Welcome Evolve Mastery family.
As I said, I have anotheramazing guest.
I'm really excited about thispodcast interview, guys.
As you guys know, every show Ibring somebody special on for an
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interview and when we havethese interviews, they're people
who have traversed this path ofself-mastery, this path of
awakening to their deeper levelsof the I am self.
These are people who I admireand I've had an opportunity to
connect to, I've had anopportunity to observe their
journey, and Kay is just one ofthose people, guys, that I'm
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really excited to introduce youguys to, because from the moment
that we met on social media, weconnected through Messenger and
we had followed each other fora while and in the beginning
there was just so much synergyin our communication, our
conversations between oneanother, and she had me on her
podcast.
But, kay Duran, it's so good tohave you here.
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Welcome, welcome, welcome.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Thank you, princeton.
And we had a glitch on thefirst platform that we were on
and I was saying that I hadchills.
I've just had chills again andagain.
That just brings thatconfirmation about that soul to
soul, heart to heart, thatsynergy between us and between
people that come in, that arelike-minded and doing that
authentic journey.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yes, and that's a big thing to talk about as we are
having this conversation is thatalignment?
There may be some peoplelistening today.
Maybe they haven't listened ina while, or maybe something
happened and they were like youknow what, I just need some
inspiration.
Or maybe they got thenotification that hey, Evolve
Mastery has a new podcastepisode up and this conversation
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is just for them.
And so, in every aspect of ourlife, it's all about alignment.
But you've taken an amazingjourney.
You've worked in so manydifferent spaces consciously,
spiritually, emotionally,mentally guiding people,
assisting people in theirhealing journey.
But I want to really dig intoand I want to introduce Kay to
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my audience, and so tell us alittle bit about your journey
and where did it really begin?
We know that when we're born,the journey begins way before we
ever even have a name, but inthis life experience, tell us a
little bit about that journey,your journey of self-mastery,
and where it's brought you tothis point.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Yeah, we all go through adversity and challenges
and that's the playing field ofbeing human here.
But as a five-year-old, when mymother would tuck me into bed,
we'd do the Lord's Prayer andbless everyone in the family.
We were just Church of Englandand she'd close the door and,
strangely, I knew that I'dchosen to be here.
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Princeton, I used to you knowfive.
I'd say God, I know I chose tobe here, but please take me home
, where I belong, and I know Ihave to be back in the morning
and as a child that just seemedso.
I didn't think anything of it.
But of course, then growing upand having this very powerful,
very strong inner voice ofknowing that stayed with me and
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I cannot call it intuition and Idon't because that sort of
feels ethereal and can I trustit and learn to trust it this is
a voice that I've come tounderstand, that we actually all
have.
I was just completely dialedinto it and stay dialed into it,
which also then made it veryconfusing through teenage years
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et cetera.
But I really got to a point inlife, like a lot of us do, where
I felt lost.
I felt like I didn't fit in andeverywhere I tried to fit in.
I didn't, and people that Ithought were my friends was
laughing at me behind my backand I just experienced a lot of
nastiness and alienation.
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And I look back now and go.
I wasn't being my true,authentic self.
I was doing what we all do.
I was trying to fit in, I wastrying to belong, I was trying
to change myself and my fathermoved us from Melbourne through
work to Perth, western Australia.
Now here's the interestingthing A year earlier we'd come
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over on a holiday and I feltthis energy here and I was 16.
And I remember saying toeverybody I'm going to come back
in a year's time.
I'm going to come and I'm goingto live here.
I'm going to move here.
You go home.
I got my first boyfriend and Iwas working in a job that I
hated, and then my father sitsme down and says we're moving to
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Western Australia.
He was in newspapers and longstory short.
He basically said to me you'regoing to come, you're going to
give it six months.
If you don't like it, you canmove back to where your older
brothers and your older sisterare.
And of course, I landed exactlywhere I was meant to be, but I
had a big turning point.
I had a major car accident thatshould have killed me.
I had a major car accident thatshould have killed me.
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The police arrive and go.
Oh my God, you should bewrapped around that tree.
You shouldn't be here.
And although I didn'tconsciously understand
spirituality, I'd always beensearching as a child.
If I was handed a pamphlet intown from the Rajneesh people, I
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would take it home and I wouldread it.
I was always exploring andquestioning and, I suppose,
trying to find my way.
Religion didn't seem to fit forme, so I dropped the name God
and it was spirit, universe,whatever would fit.
But this car accident was amoment of changing the
trajectory of my life because,although I felt more home,
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moving, I had an opportunity totry to be more of my authentic
self.
But we still try to fit in.
We think we're being more realin who we are.
We've just adapted ourselvesslightly.
But I was left in a lot of painand no one could help with that
pain.
I tried physios, I triedeverything, and pain is
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debilitating mentally,emotionally, physically,
energetically.
It's just so draining and mymother and so stress always
feeling on edge.
So my mother said why don't yougo and learn to meditate.
You seem stressed all the timeand I said, yeah, because I'm in
pain all the time to meditate.
You seem stressed all the timeand it's yeah, because I'm in
pain all the time.
So I went and learned tomeditate with my eyes open, and
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what a profound technique andexperience that is, because I
find that I can put myself intoa meditative state and I don't
have to close my eyes or be in aquiet room.
But what happened is I was in myhouse.
I was married at this time.
I married young 21.
And my eyes were open and I wasmeditating and there was a
pinpoint of light like minute.
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But it was so incredibly brightand I start blinking, thinking
am I seeing things?
That light shot across the room, hit me in my chest, I was
moved back into the lounge and Iwept, princeton.
I wept from the deepest joyI've ever felt in my life.
I felt myself connected toeverything, everyone, all that
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there is, and I knew that I hadmet my God, and what I mean by
my God is the God that existswithin me, and I felt the
universe that existed within meand it changed my life from that
moment, from being angry,excuse me, miserable, trying to
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find my place.
Self-loathing, feeling ugly,trying to find my place.
Self-loathing, feeling ugly,all these things that we tell
ourself.
And I never went on the paththat my friends did with drugs,
because that inner voice ofknowing said you are highly
addictive, you will becomeaddicted, you'll change the
trajectory.
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That's not why you came here.
I used to hear that as ateenager, just like an
incredibly loud voice inside ofme, but it was way too much
alcohol and just generallyrunning.
Hear that as a teenager, justlike an incredibly loud voice
inside of me, but it was way toomuch alcohol and just generally
running amok as a normalteenager.
But the more I got drunk, themore I was trying to prove my
existence in this world, if thatmakes sense, you know.
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But yeah, that completelychanged my life, learning
meditation and that experience.
Yeah, that completely changedmy life, learning meditation and
that experience.
And it put me onto a path thatI didn't consciously choose.
It grabbed me and I wentthrough a lot of experiences.
But I went through experiencesof being put into groups.
I traveled around Australia.
It continued to awaken.
I came back and I was put intogroups or chose groups to try to
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find my tribe, my people, somementors, some teachers, and I
found that there's what I term alot of trickery out there, a
lot of people that say that theyknow what they're doing and
they don't.
It's a great bandwagon to jumpon and things would be said and
that inner voice was telling meto speak up.
I would almost start choking.
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And then I would respond to thegroup and people would go oh my
God, I've got chills.
And so a guy got us involved tohis running group where this was
happening and got us involvedwith a Ouija board.
That was very dark.
Stuff started to happen.
He had young children that werestarting to scream and cry and
he just looked at me this is thefirst group I joined and said
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you take over.
And I just knew how to bringthe divine, if you like, god
into it.
I knew what to do with theenergy, I knew how to clear
everything, I knew how to banishand move out of that space
lower, darker energies that werecoming in, and I just and I got
everything calm and went I'mout of here, everyone went,
we're out of here, and I justthought I just want to go
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meditate.
And the next thing, everyone'scoming to my place, everyone's
seeking my answers, and it tookme on a path of awakening to the
fact that I am a shaman, hadalways been Singing to animals,
and things that I used to do asa kid started to make sense.
I was called into that.
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I say kicking and screaming.
It's not something that Iwanted, it's not, and I don't
like titles, but for living inthis realm we need them.
But I found myself with theability to heal, with the
ability to fully understand mygift, with the ability to work
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with my energy in a way where Iwas no longer impacted by
everyone else's thoughts,emotions, feelings that were
impacting my body.
And for 20 odd years 20 years Iwas asked to speak.
I was asked to facilitategroups.
I did healing.
I moved into also some coachingand some corporate work.
A marriage breakdown or I say noa marriage completion where
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we'd fulfilled our contract andit was like, okay, this is why
we came together and now it'stime to go separate ways and
take that journey.
And then, being single forthree years, long story short I
then came into a newrelationship.
We moved into the house, wecombined and my business started
just lessening.
I still had people, but itcertainly wasn't on that high
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that it was.
And then the call in came tomove and re-enter the workforce.
I was in my forties and it'sI'm going to look too old on a
piece of paper and I re-enteredthe workforce and my clients
just stayed with me on the sideand I ended up progressing
professionally in the end when Iwas running seven locations for
a car rental company.
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But every role that I went into,every company that I went into,
I was severely bullied, bulliedby teams, bullied by management
and bullied by upper management, and I didn't think for a
second that I would come back tothis work.
But again it grabbed me afterabout a 10 year cycle of I'm
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going to change jobs, I'llimprove in this area, I don't
want to work weekends, I'll havea car, I want this much money
All this would happen, but thebullying would increase and I
needed to learn to understandthat pattern and change that
within myself, to change my lifeagain.
And then it's brought me backinto my coaching, my healing
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work, but at a whole new level,with experience.
That's also more relatable.
If I just stayed in my businessfor 30 years, I don't think I
would have grown to this sort ofplatform where I've now been in
a movie that comes out thisyear and et cetera.
But everything is about ourgrowth and I had to come to
understand.
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Or I did come to understandthat I'd been bullied all of my
life.
Come to understand, or I didcome to understand that I'd been
bullied all of my life.
I was so used to it that Ididn't recognize it and I needed
it to become severe for me tosee that pattern, not be a
victim in it, but change thatpattern inside of me.
And the last role that I had asthat bullying came up, I pulled
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that plug.
And as I pulled that plug andconfronted it in a whole new way
, changed from within, itdissolved.
And here I am back doing whatI'm doing.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
That's every time I hear your story and I know when
we first had our conversation,you went a lot more in depth.
For the sake of time, we're notdiving into all of that right
now, but there's something to besaid about the journey itself
and the process of the journey,because when we're navigating
the journey, we don't it doesn'talways make sense, because we
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are.
Our lenses, so to speak, arebeing adjusted.
It's like you go to the eyedoctor and they say, okay, we
have to see how much you can seeright now, but we're going to
give you some corrective lensesthat allow you to see a little
bit more, a little bit better,and as you progress, the vision
will change.
And that's what's happening onour journey.
We're able to see more, we'reable to feel more, we're able to
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know more deeply from within,and we wouldn't be able to do
what we do.
You wouldn't be able to do whatyou do or show up illuminated,
the way that you show up in theworld now, had it not been for
those moments in your life and,I know, for those in podcast
land who are listening right now.
This is and I'm excited aboutthis this conversation.
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We're using terminology likeshaman and healing, and we've
talked about healing before.
You guys have been with me fora little bit now.
We're using terminology likeshaman and healing and we've
talked about healing before.
You guys have been with me fora little bit now.
We've talked about these things.
But I love how you said, even inmoving into these different
spaces it wasn't about titles,but we live in this framework,
this society, where we givemeaning to everything and we
identify with all thesedifferent things.
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But the truth is going back towhat you said about that light,
that pinpoint.
When it hit you, you becameaware there was a level of
intimate knowing in thatawareness that I am-ness, I am
one with God, god is one with meSource, universe, whatever
pronoun you use, as I say,doesn't matter what pronoun you
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use, because the finite mind cannever begin to even begin to
quantify or qualify the infinite.
I call it love, I also call itspirit.
It is something that and it'sinescapable, no matter where you
are, and man has been tryingfor years, on its conscious and
subconscious journey, to try tounderstand the isness of this
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thing.
But this journey that you'vebeen on, it's brought you back
into that deeper state of innerknowing that's connected to all
things, which is why you becameso sensitive.
It's why you were able to tapinto the layers, beyond the veil
, of what we can see and what weidentify and give meaning to.
And what's beautiful about thatis I know that there's so many
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people listening right now andthey're like I've been
experiencing that because ofreligion or because of how they
were raised or because ofvarious experiences, it's like
they've been called certain,they've been told that certain
things oh, that's demonic orthat's new age or that's this,
or they've been programmed intodisconnecting from that inner
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knowing and they don't trust it.
Like you said, like the innerchild, that little child in you,
before the programming, beforethe world put its stuff on you.
There was a knowing, even whenyou were five, and I relate to
that because even when I wasyounger it was the same thing.
I had this deeper knowing.
But I'm growing up SouthernBaptist.
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Everything is hellfire andbrimstone and it never, it was
never synergistic with me.
It never felt right at a corelevel.
It never felt right at a corelevel and I'd love for you to
dive into that transition,because a lot of people may be
stuck in the programming or thereligion or the meanings that
they identify everything as, andthat's one of the main reasons
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why they're not showing up inthat inner knowing, or they're
not able to truly hear it, andso I'd love for you to talk
about that a little bit, becauseI know that there's a lot of
people waking up right now who'dlove more insight in that area.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Yeah, thank you, princeton.
That's an awful question.
What happened for me in thatexperience, with that pinpoint
of light, was I came to a verydeep understanding, and it is
just love, because that's why Ijust wept.
It wasn't a cry, it wasn'tcrying, it was the weep of
remembrance.
But I really came to understandthat the turning the vision
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inwards is the power, because itexists within, it's inside of
us.
Everything Science is nowsaying that the universe exists
within us and then, therefore,we exist within the universe.
So a key for me was to keepmeditating to create ways of
turning that vision inwardsthrough power questions, et
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cetera.
Another thing that I experiencedwas I tried the healing path
that everyone seemed to betalking about and I just became
a wreck.
I was bringing babies into theworld.
Excuse me, I was bringingbabies into the world and I was
so far trapped in my past byrevisiting it in this particular
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way to so-called heal it.
By the way, we're not broken.
None of us are broken.
It's reclaiming energy.
Okay, so I went so far backinto that past that it was like
this vortex sucking me in deeperand everything became darker
and more and more negative and Ifelt so broken.
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It's like the grief took meinto more grief, took me into
more grief, took me into moregrief, took me into more grief.
And I remember saying God,there must be an easier way to
heal.
And that's when I was taught.
That inner voice of knowingcame and taught me, talked me
through it and about energy andwhat was happening to me and
that we need to stay present inthe present.
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It's just energy that's trappedand that reframing it by saying
yes, I had some painful, verypainful experiences.
I had two parents that I lovedearly, that are beautiful human
beings, but I needed them bothto be emotionally unavailable
because I was so sensitive thatI would have continued to hand
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my power outwards rather thanturning inwards and really
finding what self-worth,self-value and self-love is all
about.
So there's a key, there's agift in everything, and I
started saying what was thepurpose of this for me?
So, starting to look atexperiences like they weren't
against me, I'm not a victim inany of this and I started to
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find that in there came love.
I developed that compassionfurther because I had it by my
nature, understanding, so evenunderstanding then my mother and
my father.
I started to ask questionsabout them, about their life
about so I could create thispicture of why were they being a
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particular way and in some ofthe questioning of them, like
when I went to my father onceand said, why do you not love me
?
Because he was never able tosay I love you.
And he wept Princeton and hegot down on his knees in front
of me and he's like, why wouldyou think that?
And it's because I used to goto my mum and ask why does daddy
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hate me?
And she would say don't youtalk to me about your father
like that and shut me down.
My parents were even older thanmy friend's parents, so
different era again.
But he'd never heard that, sohe'd never had the opportunity
to respond that and I was alittle bit afraid of him as well
.
So I didn't, as a younger child, go to him and ask that
question.
So asking questions, reframingthe experience about what was,
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why did I need to experiencethis?
What did it give to me inshaping me and who I am today,
was all part of my healing.
But I got to stay present and,yes, I had moments of releasing
tears, releasing pain from mybody, but it led me to from love
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, compassion, understanding.
It led me into forgiveness andseeing that we're all human
beings doing our very best.
But I also developed the deepknowing that we are soul and
energy first and that we havecome here into this playing
ground because of theexperiences of adversity, of
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challenges, so that we can turnthat vision inwards, so that we
can bypass feeling the victimand realize that we're really
just reframing and then rewiringour energetic system back into
wholeness and it's a fun gamefor the soul, excuse me.
And that started to bring meback into wholeness and then I
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realized it takes great courage,also because you've got to hold
firm to developing andstrengthening that knowing
through terrains that you feelso much doubt and so much fear
and what am I really doing andwill I get to the other side?
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And drawing on that knowing andI had statements that I would
harness on only goodness comesfrom God or only goodness comes
from the universe.
Whatever word you want to useagain doesn't matter, even if I
can't see it at the time.
So I kept tuning, taking theenergy source from my
subconscious, false stories andbeliefs and I don't call them
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subconscious beliefs becausethat's instilling, it's a belief
that has power over me, so Icall them out as false stories
and beliefs, which every time Iuse that wording because words
have power.
It diffuses its power over me.
I'm calling it out for what itis.
It's false.
Okay, it feels very real, butit's false.
It does not serve me in myhighest, most expansive capacity
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.
It does not serve me in myhighest, most expansive capacity
.
And then I was plugging thatenergy cord, if you like, that
power source into.
Only goodness comes from source.
Even if I can't see it at thetime, some would say that's
developing faith and it startsoff as faith until you do the
round so many times that eachtime you come out the other side
or cross that big league, yourealize that then becomes
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knowing and becomes truth.
So while I was reframing allthis and the language that was
coming to me helped me realizethat's creating an energetic
change I had to plug into a newsource of power and feed that
and feed that.
And that meditation for me wasthe key, because when we've got
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our vision outwards, it's likethose horses that have the
blinders, the blinkers on.
You can only see this.
You can't see what's out here.
You can't see what's out here.
You're living from the lensesthat you're wearing that are
discolored from those falsestories and beliefs.
Lenses that you're wearing thatare discolored from those false
stories and beliefs.
So if they're colored withanger, then you see the anger.
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If they're colored with no oneloves me.
That's what you're going to seeand experience.
So perceptions are those lenses,perspective which I gained
through meditation, and eventhat if I was sitting up here
looking down at myself and thisscenario, what would it look
like from perspective?
So I learned to take perceptioninto a perspective.
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So seeing things from a higherperspective and using all those
things to anchor to and callingGod more deeply or source or
insight more deeply into me andinto situations, working with
that what I term the unseenworld, working with that energy,
because the truth iseverything's energy and that's
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why I call it the courageouspath, because we're also having
to look in and takeresponsibility.
I went through a phase wherepeople were, for a lot of my
life, very nasty to me, but evenwhen I was in my prime of doing
my and I call it my guidancework really, because any healer,
any great coach or mentor, allwe are and need to be are guides
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that know and understand theterrain that says you're going
to do this, but I'm going tohelp show you the way that
taking responsibility by going.
If this keeps happening in mylife, where people keep turning
against me, what false story andbelief am I holding onto so
tightly inside of myself that Ineed to unpack?
So I learned that it's likegoing into a movie theater,
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princeton.
I can go into one room andwatch one movie, but I cannot
deny that there aren't eight ornine other films playing at the
same time, and that's how I seelife, that the movie's coming
from within me and projected out, and I can change that movie by
changing patterns and beliefsthat are inside of me and
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plugging the power back into myheart.
Does that make sense?
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Oh yes, and there's when you speak and I have to be
mindful of time, I get to bemindful of time, but, oh my gosh
, a lot of this, we could die.
There's so many nuggets in whatyou just said.
But starting with the firstthing, and that's reclaiming
your energy, understanding thatwe are conductors of energy, we
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are conducting and respondingand sending out energy.
And I always say Princeton isnot the it, princeton is the
conduit, that's it.
Princeton's just an idea,princeton's just a vessel that I
operate in this world.
And going back to what I saidearlier, whatever I attach a
meaning to a perspective, to anidea to, I send power to that, I
(29:18):
give power to that.
My divine energy, that'sconnected and in a state of
oneness with everything, ismanipulating the energy around
me.
It's moving energy or takingenergy or trapping energy, based
on the state that I'm in.
But this goes back to thatdeeper inner knowing and you hit
(29:38):
two different things in thatbelief versus knowing.
See, a lot of people believe.
When they talk about healing,when they talk about creating
change in their lives, achievingthat state of bliss or having
that relationship, whatever itis, they say I believe it's
possible.
But manifestation doesn'thappen purely from a belief.
(30:03):
It happens from a state ofknowing.
It's like saying I believe inGod versus I know.
God Knowing is rooted in theexperience of the intimate
connection in which you arestated in.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Yeah, and let's say conscious creation or conscious
manifestation?
Yes, because we've beenunconsciously creating all our
lives.
It's, then, about becomingconscious creators and crafters
to manifest the lives that weaspire to.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
And following that you went into talking about
healing, and I said this on arecent podcast episode.
I say true, healing is when youwake up and realize there was
never anything wrong with you,and I completely agree with what
you said when you said that youknow, doing a lot of what most
people call the healing worknowadays is not truly healing.
(30:56):
It's a regurgitation and areliving habitually over and
over what you have experienced,as if it's still happening or
there's still something wrongwith you now because of an
experience, and it doesn'tnegate that you had that
experience.
That's not what we're saying,guys, for everyone listening.
(31:18):
We're not saying that theexperience didn't matter.
What we're saying is ithappened, but in this now moment
it only continues to thriveenergetically in your being and
in your life if you continue togive power to it and meaning to
it.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Yeah, that's so powerful, if I could just
interject there.
Yes, I wept, I felt grief, Ifelt injustice in certain things
that happened to me, and therewas some sexual stuff back as a
child as well.
It doesn't mean that didn'thappen.
It's the keys of how do I freemyself.
And, if you recall, I use theword I choose not to be a victim
(31:56):
, which means that has powerover me continually and that the
more we focus on it, the morewe feed it, the more the
reticular activation system inthe brain is going to keep
finding reasons too.
So, yeah, you're absolutelyright and powerful point to say
we're not saying that it didn'thappen, we're not saying that it
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wasn't hurtful or painful orwhat feels like as wrong, but
let's find the gift in it so wereclaim our power back into
wholeness.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
And that starts with shifting the perception by
becoming aware of theperspective that you are
choosing to view it from, and soI'd love for you to go deeper
into that perspective.
Translation, or translatinginto the perception.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Yes.
So when we start this journeyand it is an inner journey there
are layers to it and we reallyneed to start with the mindset
psychology, so understandingwhat our mind is doing and where
it's sending our energy intopast, projections into the
future, the power of the mind increating, manifesting, et
(33:08):
cetera and becoming moremasterful over how we use our
mind that's why I call itmindset psychology and the part
that has in our healing andtransformation and spiritual,
physical experience, and thatactually, as we travel through
that terrain, it then takes usinto emotional restoration,
(33:29):
which is that healing, thatreclaiming.
I'm going to reframe it, I'mgoing to bring my power back
into it that frees me love,compassion, understanding,
forgiveness.
I'm going to release the storedemotional energy from my body.
And then that that leads usinto spiritual application,
(33:50):
which means I understand thespiritual practices of the mind
and of the emotions and ofenergy and what works for me,
and that, for me, meditation isan absolute key.
Asking power questions are aspiritual application.
Invoking which is reallyinviting spirit or source or
(34:11):
whatever into my awareness andinto my life experiences, all of
those are spiritual application.
Walking and power, walkingaround the park and exercise for
me are a spiritual application,because I don't listen to
anything except nature when I dothat walk and my inner voice.
So that's where we it's not adiscipline, it's a choice
(34:34):
because of that journey throughmindset, psychology, emotional
restoration into that spiritualapplication.
Now, where that takes us indoing this journey in this way,
takes us into consciousintegration, because we have
integrated you know what we termnegative past experiences.
(34:57):
Okay, so now we're consciouslyintegrating newness, a new way
into our being, because conceptsalone change nothing.
I don't care what books you'veread, what language you use.
That will not change anythingunless you do this application
of the journey.
But then that consciousintegration leads you into
(35:17):
energetic expansion.
So you actually change thewhole of your energetic being
and it changes frequency, whichis what everyone talks about in
terms of manifesting.
So you're becoming the energyof the life that you're aspiring
to and the person you'reaspiring to be.
And that then takes us into thevery center of it, which is
(35:39):
unity, knowing where we knowthat we are all one, where we
know that we are the veryuniverse and all its
intelligence, abundance and loveand expansiveness and wisdom,
and that knowing source itself.
But to get in there, we'redoing the journey of the
perception.
We're going in with ourperceptions and we're piercing
(36:01):
each of those veils, okay, tillwe get to that core.
And by the time we get to thatunity, knowing we're coming back
out, and that's when we haveexpanded perception, then we
live that reality within theuniverse we call our physical
life.
But then we're going to goagain.
(36:22):
We're going to go through allof those layers again, getting
into that source of who we arewith our limiting perceptions,
because this is a never-endingcycle.
We're unmasking stuff all thetime and then we're coming back
out.
We've got a more expandedperspective, then we're living
that reality, but we get fasterat doing it right.
So when I first started and Ifelt so broken, I came to
(36:45):
understand I was never broken atall, but it would.
What?
Let's say what took.
As an example, you can say whattook a year, then took eight
months, then took eight days,then took eight hours.
I've had a friend witness me gothrough something incredibly
painful and I'd only had a fewsips of my tea and she goes
you're out of it, aren't you?
(37:05):
I went, yeah, she goes.
That was five minutes.
I'm like are you genuinely outof it?
Tune into the body?
Yeah, do you know what I mean?
So we become more adept, but wedon't stop doing those cycles,
that coming in from our limitedperception, and we always need
to be willing to do that.
Know what I know, but I knownothing at all.
(37:27):
If I have arrived, then I amleaving this body.
I'm still in this body, sothere's still more for me to
explore, and what happens is I'm.
The truth then doesn't change.
My message hasn't changed sinceI was 24, 25.
I've found writings frommagazines and that I used to
write for back then and a bookthat I did back then.
(37:48):
What I've come to understand isdoing that cyclical journey and
expanding our perception andthen living that reality and
coming back in again and doingit again.
It just means that myunderstanding of the truth
deepens and expands.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Oh my gosh, I know for some people listening, you
guys may be like this is reallyheavy, but it just sounds that
way because your perception andyour perspective around it
hasn't shifted yet.
But what you just said, rightthere, is key, because I feel
the same way.
I've recognized the same thingin my journey.
My message hasn't changed foryears, over a decade it hasn't
(38:27):
changed, but the perception ofit has only gone deeper.
It's just, excuse me, it's justlike math.
You start off learning two plustwo equals four and pretty soon
next thing you know, if youcontinue to advance and study
the processes mathematically andthe different ways to use
numbers and the differentrepresentations of numbers, next
thing you know you're doingcalculus.
(38:48):
But all the levels of math aresimply principles that you're
applying at different usages, atthe different stages.
And this is the process thatwe're all going to get to grow
through if we allow ourselves tosurrender to the knowing, to
surrender to the growth, tosurrender to the evolution of
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this process.
And so one thing that I willsay to anyone listening right
now is give yourself space andgrace to surrender to it.
Give yourself space and graceto know that you are already in
a powerful place.
You are literally creatingevery aspect of your reality.
Right now, eithersubconsciously or consciously,
you are the divine creator ofyour life, and in this you
(39:36):
talked about how it's not adiscipline, it's a choice.
It's not a discipline, it's achoice because you hear so many
people talk about discipline,and it's really a conscious
choice, because once you wake up, it's like when you wake up,
you can't go back to sleep again.
So you're either going to makea choice to continue.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Well, if you do, you're going to get really
heavily stuck in your comfortzone, and that's the most
uncomfortable place to be.
And I love when you saysurrender.
And here's what I want to sayto your listeners If you're
feeling a bit of discomfort orpushback at all, great, because
you're ready for change.
There's something that has beensaid from Princeton or myself,
(40:20):
and the whole energy to createconnection of it that's now
tapping and there's a bit of acrack and the old wants to go.
Don't.
So just be mindful.
That's a beautiful experienceyou're having.
Secondly, as you talk aboutSurrender, Princeton, the best
investment you can make inyourself is to get support and
(40:40):
to get to support.
So you do the coaching andeverything that you do,
Princeton, but I know it's thatguide.
You'll shed the terrain, as doI, and the best investment is to
go.
If we're going to try to dothis ourselves, especially if
you're first starting out, youwon't do it.
Every level of sabotage willcome screaming out of you as to
why not, will come screaming outof you as to why not, why not
(41:02):
to change, Okay, and we'redesigned that way.
So if you can invest inyourself to seek out a guide
such as myself or Princeton,that's really done this journey
and continues to do this journeyand knows every level of the
terrain, of the mindset, of theemotions, of the energetics of
it all and the power ofintegration you put excuse me,
(41:25):
that will come back to youtenfold.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
It will come back to you tenfold, but don't try to do
it alone.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Yeah, it is painful and it's truth to what you said
right there.
That's so good because Iremember I was just telling a
client this earlier today.
I remember so many points on myjourney because I didn't always
have mentors there growing up,where I grew up, and so I would
read a lot of books, but so manytimes I was like I wish someone
would just come and tell mewhat the hell to do.
Just, I don't want to growthrough this alone.
(41:53):
I don't want to grow throughthis and have to constantly fall
down over and over again.
Just tell me and it's you don'tgo to, you don't go to a
mountain and say I'm going to doa hike if you don't have a GPS,
if you don't have a guide,because you know that you're
going to get lost.
But that's what a lot of us dowe try to take the journey alone
(42:15):
, completely negating the factthat we were never created to do
it alone.
We were never created to try tojust make it on our own.
We are wired for connection,and how has that transpired in
your journey?
I know you've met mentors but,like me, your spirit has been
your predominant guide theentire time.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
Yeah, that's been my shamanic path, that I've needed
to do it on my own because therewas a lot, as I said,
experienced out here that I borewitness to with my gift, that a
lot of people didn't know whatthey were doing.
I'm not trying to bag anyoneout, but there's.
They didn't really understandenergy, um, the rites of passage
(43:02):
, the initiations and thedifferences of those to just
healing.
Oh, I'm just in the middle ofhealing something and I would
guess that you two have donewhat you have now looked back on
going.
I understand what a rite ofpassage is, I understand what an
initiation process is, but Ineeded to do that on my own
because that was my shamanicpath and my shamanic gift of
(43:26):
understanding to then bring backout into the world.
But when I had learned thatpathway, I too still put my hand
up.
I have coaches, I've been tohealers.
I went to someone a while ago,a couple of weeks ago, to help
me sort out my energy.
There's only so much that Icould do, but the knowing tells
me, inner knowing says go.
(43:49):
And I usually see this personand I'd met this other person
and their name kept coming seeBeverly.
So it's okay, I'll go see,beverly, once you've done this
journey and you've dialed upthat inner voice of knowing and
you are trusting it, then youwill be guided to the right
people.
They're all the right people.
I've experienced someone puttinghands on me and I've come out
(44:11):
and I've had to undo all thedamage of what they've pumped
into me, because you can't.
Energy is always interactingand if you're working with
someone energetically, veryconsciously, which is what I do,
even when I'm coaching and inWord, I'm moving energy, I'm
listening to their soul, I'mlistening to their energy and
we're creating a healing shiftwhich is different from the work
(44:33):
when they come to see me and Iwork with sound tools and I work
with the energy, but everythingthat I'm thinking or speaking
about goes into that person.
You need to be very clearlyaligned in doing that energetic
work, healing journey withsomeone, to make sure that
you're not bringing in muddywaters of your own.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Yeah, and one thing that I will say to piggyback off
of that, as far as being led bythe knowing to the guides, to
the mentors, even to books, Itell people I never really would
take book recommendations.
I would literally walk intoBarnes Noble.
I started this in the verybeginning.
I'm 23 years old.
(45:15):
I would walk into Barnes Nobleand I would close my eyes and I
would say give me what's for metoday.
And I would walk with my handsalong the books and until I felt
that knowing, say okay, stop.
And it was almost like a pullsometimes, because sometimes I
would want to keep moving but myhand would stay there.
I wouldn't feel comfortableeven if I took my hand off, and
(45:37):
so I would just know.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
And I would just pick that book and I would just open
it up.
And every single time, this isthe thing when you're listening
to the knowing, when you meet aguide or mentor or teacher,
they're not going to tell youanything that you don't already
know.
They're going to affirm it toyou and then, if there's any
areas of blind spot in what'sbeing affirmed, they're going to
(46:01):
help you to see it more.
That's all they're going to do.
It's not that you don't alreadyknow it and I'm going to add
this to anyone that's listeningEverything that is required for
you to know and grow and be inthis world is already in you.
And so when we're talking aboutthat inner voice of knowing in
today's society, it's very hardfor a lot of people and I have a
(46:24):
lot of deep level of empathyfor a lot of people waking up
right now because there's somuch noise and everybody's
seeking, looking.
And what advice would you giveto people who are saying I'm
waking up, I'm breaking awayfrom old belief systems, I'm
realizing that the reality thatI've been in no longer suits me,
but I don't know who to trust.
I don't know really where tobegin.
(46:46):
What advice would you give tosomeone that's in that space
right now.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
Don't spend too much time on social media, limit it.
In my coaching program we alsoaddress boundaries, but it's
very different because it's notjust about boundaries in
relationships, b boundariesaround your time, boundaries,
around money boundaries.
And when I first started, wedidn't have social media.
There wasn't even a computer.
That came in my thirties.
(47:12):
I started in my twenties, so itwas a lot simpler, whereas now
and I get hounded all the time,getting messaged by people all
the time and meditate, find away to meditate and understand
that meditation.
There's actually some three freemeditations on my website, but
meditation is not sitting on thetop of the mountain and having
(47:34):
complete quiet.
Meditation is about learninghow to become that witness and
call your energy back from whereit's being projected and just
bringing yourself into peace.
That's another story.
But get outside in nature, takedeep breaths, breathe with your
hand on your chest.
There's actually a process thatI have and it's four breaths in
(47:56):
.
Hold that four breaths andrelease the four breaths, and do
that cyclically, but add fourwords.
Four breaths and release thefour breaths and do that
cyclically, but add four words.
The other day, during theeclipse, mine was I sit with
truth.
I sit with truth because I wasneeding to see what within me
needed to be revealed.
I am here now.
Whatever those four words are,what you're doing is you're
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connecting with the intelligenceof the heart.
You're bringing yourself intothe present moment.
In the present moment, there ispeace.
You're dialing into your innervoice of knowing.
But don't keep searching outthere, especially in social
media.
Set some boundaries around that, because there is a lot of
noise.
When you find a few people onsocial media that you feel like
(48:38):
are speaking to you, follow them, connect with them, join their
Facebook group, learn from them.
But don't go and join 20 groups.
Do you know what I mean?
Try a tree and then just a fewbranches, but do the things like
the breath work, like the heart, intelligence, breathing,
meditation, getting outside inamongst nature and just
(49:01):
listening to nature.
Don't put an audio book in atthat time, making that choice,
to just feel your own knowingand that when you are ready,
that right person will show upand you will feel it.
But if you keep getting caughtwatching this, listening to this
, watching this, listening tothis, watching this, listening
(49:28):
to this, your energy isscattered and in that scattered
you will just get caught up inthat panic mode of.
I want to find it, I want theanswer I want you don't want to
be wanting.
I need the right coach, I needthe right healer, I need the
right book.
And if you're reading a book,great, but try out.
This was the thing it's.
Try out whatever you hear,whatever you read.
(49:49):
Don't just go oh yeah, I knownothing unless you're absolutely
living it.
You can be reminded ofsomething, but you don't know it
unless you're living andapplying it.
So if you hear something thatPrinceton's written and you're
like, wow, apply it, try it outand see for yourself the power
(50:10):
of it, process of embodying,learning to be with yourself,
being present with yourselfEckhart Tolle talks about.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
I love what you said about meditation.
Eckhart Tolle talks about how Iam not the brain and a lot of
times when you hear people talkabout mindset and those who've
been with me for a while you mayhave heard me talk about this
but if I say I am thinking, it'snot my brain saying I am
thinking, it is the consciousawareness that thought is
happening.
And oftentimes, even going backto what you said, people think
meditation is about gettingquiet, quieting the brain.
(50:44):
Good luck, it's not aboutquieting the brain.
It's about allowing yourself tobecome present in your breath,
in the now moment, and thenobserving the brain like a
computer what is it processing,what is it revealing, and then
choosing in a present momentwhether that serves you and
(51:07):
deserves you or not.
And then you get to choose whatyou give power to in the moment
.
And that's where theaffirmations and having that
phrase or those words come in,because that's the reframing,
that's the bringing back intopresence and that's really
powerful and I know a lot ofthese things that Kay has said
(51:29):
and you know that we're talkingabout right now.
It seems like it's so simple,and it really is.
Your brain is what tells you.
It's not because of yourprogramming, but it is simple.
It's just about applying it,embodying it every day, and this
is going back to what you justsaid.
Also, a lot of people have theknowledge of and I always say
(51:51):
information, or knowledge issimply information recorded, but
wisdom is information andknowledge embodied.
And so what most people areseeking in today's quote,
unquote information age is moreinformation, and that creates
more confusion because you'regetting a bunch of information.
That's like putting a bunch ofdifferent programs on my
(52:12):
computer right now.
Eventually, my computer isgoing to run out of digital RAM
and it's going to send me amessage and say I don't have
enough digital memory to processthe assignments that you're
giving me right now, and then itmight crash Right, crash, burn
shut down?
Speaker 3 (52:28):
Yeah, but you know what Simple Is it simple that
we've clicked a couple ofbuttons and we're talking across
the globe?
Simple, but guess what?
On the surface it seems simple,but we both know, we all know
that what's going on underneathis very complex, but on the
surface seems very simple.
Speaker 1 (52:50):
And that's why you're able to get to that point, and
I love that you hit this alittle earlier.
What may have taken eight years, eventually maybe only took
eight months.
Eventually maybe only tookwinding it down eight minutes,
five minutes.
It's a process.
It's a process of embodimentand application.
And that takes me back to thatspace again where I say give
(53:13):
yourself space and grace whereyou are and understand.
It's not about perfection, it'sabout progress, it's about
being able to navigate eachmoment, even coming to the end
of your day and saying, eventhough I may not be where I want
to be, I'm exactly where I needto be and I'm better yeah, and
each time you do the process,you understand the terrain.
Speaker 3 (53:33):
So then when you're going through it, you're like,
oh, this is uncomfortable again.
Okay, I know where I'm at.
And then you build that historyof I came out of it last time
and I came out of it changed.
I've just turned 59 and I feeldifferent from when I was 58.
I'm a different person, samebut different.
(53:53):
I'm certainly different fromwhen I was 19, 29, 39, because
I'm becoming more and more of mydeepest authentic self.
Because authenticity getsthrown around but we're all
being authentic in the momentwith who and how we know
ourselves to be.
If I'm angry, I'm beingauthentically angry.
(54:14):
Do you know what I mean if I?
Speaker 1 (54:15):
it's so my deepest, authentic, soulful, more
expanded self, if you like andI'm glad you hit on that, and I
know we're coming up on the hour, but I love that you said that,
because I often say, whenpeople say I'm just being
authentic, okay, but is thatauthentic you bringing you joy?
Is that authentic you bringingyou peace?
(54:36):
Is that authentic you expandingyou in love?
Because if it's not, thatauthenticity, though real, is an
illusion that's keeping youstuck from being the deepest,
most aware, most conscious, mostactive version of you in your
life.
And so you can, like you said,be authentically angry, and you
(54:56):
can authentically justify thatanger, you can authentically
justify your fear, you canauthentically justify your work,
so on and so forth, but are youauthentically living in your
divinity?
Are you authentically living inyour power?
And this is where, again, thisjourney is so important, because
I know a lot of people, even inthis journey, you will have
(55:18):
moments where you say, man, Ifeel like I already got past
this.
Why is this still happening?
And it's no, it's just a partof the journey.
It's okay.
At certain points of your life,you took this path and, like you
said, you're being brought backto it again, but this time what
you notice is okay.
I recognize this before.
As to where.
(55:40):
Before it might have hit youlike a pop quiz moment, out of
the blue and it's dang, I didn'teven realize it.
Now you're like, okay, I'veseen this before.
Okay, I know that up here Ineed to go right instead of go
left.
I know here I need to be silentinstead of speaking, so on and
so forth, and so it's justallowing you to put into
practice.
It's like lifting weights inthe weight room.
You're going to go in, you'regoing to do the same exercises,
(56:01):
depending on what exercise orwhat muscle group rather, you're
developing, and the exercisesdon't change.
You can cause some muscleconfusion and do them in a
different order, but ultimately,if you want to continue to
develop those muscles, you haveto continue to do the exercises
that are going to develop thosemuscles, and the same thing
applies spiritually.
Speaker 3 (56:19):
Absolutely.
And just one final thingEverything is speaking to us.
So if you find yourself inanger, if you find yourself in
reactiveness, if you findyourself in all of those
expressions, they're justletting you know that there's
pain inside of you.
Turn the vision back in and goto the source of that pain.
Bring love, compassion,understanding and forgiveness to
(56:45):
it Because a lot of people getcaught in positive and negative.
That's not a negative.
It's been deemed a negative.
Let's come back to all there is.
Ultimately, at the heart ofeverything is love.
Speaker 1 (56:58):
So good, Kay, I could continue talking to you forever
and I know people listening arelike man, this is good.
Where can I reach out to Kay?
So what's the best way for themto reach out to you if they'd
like to contact you?
Speaker 3 (57:12):
Look, go straight to my website K-A-Y-E-D-O-R-A-Ncom,
and then all the links to allmy social media is there, but,
yeah, we could talk forever.
We haven't talked about how towork with our energy and all of
that.
This has been a wonderfulconversation, though, and always
love connecting with you.
Maybe we should do a series.
Speaker 1 (57:32):
Maybe we should have a few different conversations on
some different topics and seewhere that goes.
And, guys, if you enjoy this,go check out her podcast.
All her links, all of herinformation is on her website.
I encourage you, go check itout.
If you're listening to this andmaybe you're in a place where
you're on the fence, you're likesome of this stuff may be new,
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but new is better than the old.
Give yourself permission totake the journey, because
there's a reason you're hereright now.
There's a reason why certainthings knocked on the door of
your heart today.
There's a reason why certainaspects of your persona were
pricked.
And so Kay is here.
She's a.
She has such a servant's heartand she illuminates any space
(58:18):
that she comes into.
But what I love is thecontainer that she creates, and
you can tell just the energy ofher words.
She has a very nurturingfeminine but yet powerful energy
in her presence, and so if youguys are seeking that, maybe
talking to me I'm not the oneMaybe you need that divine
feminine.
You need that divine presencein your life from a woman.
(58:42):
I challenge you go.
What's stopping you?
What's stopping you?
Look at your life right now andif you can't say that you are
happy where you are andsomething has spoken to you
today.
What that means is you've beengiven two C's a chance and a
choice.
What you do with it is up toyou.
This is simply one door thathas been opened.
(59:03):
The question you must askyourself is am I willing to walk
through it?
Kay, thank you so much forcoming on the podcast.
Do you have any final wordsthat you would like to share
before we close out?
Speaker 3 (59:17):
Oh, I'm just letting the energy of your words wash
over me.
Just that you are worthy.
You are worthy of more thanwhere you feel yourself to be
right now, because you are adivine spark of the source of
all that there is.
You don't need to become worthyyou already were born worthy.
Speaker 1 (59:36):
Like I always say, an apple seed doesn't have to
fight to be an apple tree italready is.
Guys, thank you for tuning intothis episode of Evolved Mastery
with myself and Kay Duran fortoday's interview.
I hope you guys, and I wish youguys, I send you love, I send
you joy, I send you peace and Ijust send you energy right now
(59:57):
that everything that you touch,everything you speak to,
everything that you respondthrough in your life begins to
expand, give you opportunitiesand give you new levels of you,
expressed in your life, so thatyou can truly experience the
deepest levels of authenticityand power and purpose.
Thank you, guys, for joiningthis episode of Evolve Mastery.
(01:00:18):
We'll be talking to you guysagain soon.
Yes, I am.
Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Yes, I am.
It's be talking to you guysagain soon.
What's going on, guys ?
Princeton Clark here and you'retuned into another episode of
Evolve Mastery, and in thisepisode, I had an incredible
conversation with Kay Duran, atrue powerhouse in the world of
professional transformation andleadership.
Kay is an entrepreneur,facilitator, international
keynote speaker, bestsellingauthor and global thought leader
.
She's also the host of thepodcast, inner Voice of Knowing
(00:22):
and a women's shamanicleadership life coach.
She's also the creator of InnerExpressions, a platform
dedicated to helping womenrealize their leadership
potential from within, and, withover three decades of
experience working with women,kay combines her unique gifts in
connection, knowing, shamanicenergy, sound healing and the
accreditation of being a masterlife coach to empower women to
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create meaningful change intheir lives.
Guys, I can go on and on aboutKay, but from the day that we
connected, we connected onlineand we had a few Zoom calls and
they just went amazing.
There was just so much synergy,and so I'm really excited to
have Kay on the show and toshare her with you.
We had an amazing conversation,so I want you guys to get
(01:06):
comfortable.
Grab something to drink ifyou're driving, get focused,
make sure your seats are buckledin.
This is going to be a fun ride,but safety first.
But I love you guys, man, Ireally appreciate the support
and we're going to continue toflow.
We're going to continue to growand I have a number of other
guests that are going to becoming on the podcast that I'm
going to be sharing with youguys.
But without further ado, I wantto just go ahead and dive right
(01:30):
into this conversation today.
So sit back and enjoy to mysoul cause.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I know that it's worth it, these affirmations,
let me know that I'm alreadyperfect.
Are you that one say, yes, I amhundred miles up?
(02:00):
Say, yes, I can.
Is it our love?
Say, yes, I am, yes, I am, yes,I am.
Are you that one say, yes, I am, I'm all right?
(02:20):
And it helps me realize thatI'm wealthy, rich in passion,
rich in magic.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
It's my life, so I tell me I'm all right and it
helps me.
Welcome Evolve Mastery family.
As I said, I have anotheramazing guest.
I'm really excited about thispodcast interview, guys.
As you guys know, every show Ibring somebody special on for an
(02:49):
interview and when we havethese interviews, they're people
who have traversed this path ofself-mastery, this path of
awakening to their deeper levelsof the I am self.
These are people who I admireand I've had an opportunity to
connect to, I've had anopportunity to observe their
journey, and Kay is just one ofthose people, guys, that I'm
(03:10):
really excited to introduce youguys to, because from the moment
that we met on social media, weconnected through Messenger and
we had followed each other fora while and in the beginning
there was just so much synergyin our communication, our
conversations between oneanother, and she had me on her
podcast.
But, kay Duran, it's so good tohave you here.
(03:30):
Welcome, welcome, welcome.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Thank you, princeton.
And we had a glitch on thefirst platform that we were on
and I was saying that I hadchills.
I've just had chills again andagain.
That just brings thatconfirmation about that soul to
soul, heart to heart, thatsynergy between us and between
people that come in, that arelike-minded and doing that
authentic journey.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yes, and that's a big thing to talk about as we are
having this conversation is thatalignment?
There may be some peoplelistening today.
Maybe they haven't listened ina while, or maybe something
happened and they were like youknow what, I just need some
inspiration.
Or maybe they got thenotification that hey, Evolve
Mastery has a new podcastepisode up and this conversation
(04:13):
is just for them.
And so, in every aspect of ourlife, it's all about alignment.
But you've taken an amazingjourney.
You've worked in so manydifferent spaces consciously,
spiritually, emotionally,mentally guiding people,
assisting people in theirhealing journey.
But I want to really dig intoand I want to introduce Kay to
(04:34):
my audience, and so tell us alittle bit about your journey
and where did it really begin?
We know that when we're born,the journey begins way before we
ever even have a name, but inthis life experience, tell us a
little bit about that journey,your journey of self-mastery,
and where it's brought you tothis point.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Yeah, we all go through adversity and challenges
and that's the playing field ofbeing human here.
But as a five-year-old, when mymother would tuck me into bed,
we'd do the Lord's Prayer andbless everyone in the family.
We were just Church of Englandand she'd close the door and,
strangely, I knew that I'dchosen to be here.
(05:14):
Princeton, I used to you knowfive.
I'd say God, I know I chose tobe here, but please take me home
, where I belong, and I know Ihave to be back in the morning
and as a child that just seemedso.
I didn't think anything of it.
But of course, then growing upand having this very powerful,
very strong inner voice ofknowing that stayed with me and
(05:38):
I cannot call it intuition and Idon't because that sort of
feels ethereal and can I trustit and learn to trust it this is
a voice that I've come tounderstand, that we actually all
have.
I was just completely dialedinto it and stay dialed into it,
which also then made it veryconfusing through teenage years
(05:59):
et cetera.
But I really got to a point inlife, like a lot of us do, where
I felt lost.
I felt like I didn't fit in andeverywhere I tried to fit in.
I didn't, and people that Ithought were my friends was
laughing at me behind my backand I just experienced a lot of
nastiness and alienation.
(06:20):
And I look back now and go.
I wasn't being my true,authentic self.
I was doing what we all do.
I was trying to fit in, I wastrying to belong, I was trying
to change myself and my fathermoved us from Melbourne through
work to Perth, western Australia.
Now here's the interestingthing A year earlier we'd come
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over on a holiday and I feltthis energy here and I was 16.
And I remember saying toeverybody I'm going to come back
in a year's time.
I'm going to come and I'm goingto live here.
I'm going to move here.
You go home.
I got my first boyfriend and Iwas working in a job that I
hated, and then my father sitsme down and says we're moving to
(07:03):
Western Australia.
He was in newspapers and longstory short.
He basically said to me you'regoing to come, you're going to
give it six months.
If you don't like it, you canmove back to where your older
brothers and your older sisterare.
And of course, I landed exactlywhere I was meant to be, but I
had a big turning point.
I had a major car accident thatshould have killed me.
I had a major car accident thatshould have killed me.
(07:24):
The police arrive and go.
Oh my God, you should bewrapped around that tree.
You shouldn't be here.
And although I didn'tconsciously understand
spirituality, I'd always beensearching as a child.
If I was handed a pamphlet intown from the Rajneesh people, I
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would take it home and I wouldread it.
I was always exploring andquestioning and, I suppose,
trying to find my way.
Religion didn't seem to fit forme, so I dropped the name God
and it was spirit, universe,whatever would fit.
But this car accident was amoment of changing the
trajectory of my life because,although I felt more home,
(08:08):
moving, I had an opportunity totry to be more of my authentic
self.
But we still try to fit in.
We think we're being more realin who we are.
We've just adapted ourselvesslightly.
But I was left in a lot of painand no one could help with that
pain.
I tried physios, I triedeverything, and pain is
(08:28):
debilitating mentally,emotionally, physically,
energetically.
It's just so draining and mymother and so stress always
feeling on edge.
So my mother said why don't yougo and learn to meditate.
You seem stressed all the timeand I said, yeah, because I'm in
pain all the time to meditate.
You seem stressed all the timeand it's yeah, because I'm in
pain all the time.
So I went and learned tomeditate with my eyes open, and
(08:53):
what a profound technique andexperience that is, because I
find that I can put myself intoa meditative state and I don't
have to close my eyes or be in aquiet room.
But what happened is I was in myhouse.
I was married at this time.
I married young 21.
And my eyes were open and I wasmeditating and there was a
pinpoint of light like minute.
(09:13):
But it was so incredibly brightand I start blinking, thinking
am I seeing things?
That light shot across the room, hit me in my chest, I was
moved back into the lounge and Iwept, princeton.
I wept from the deepest joyI've ever felt in my life.
I felt myself connected toeverything, everyone, all that
(09:38):
there is, and I knew that I hadmet my God, and what I mean by
my God is the God that existswithin me, and I felt the
universe that existed within meand it changed my life from that
moment, from being angry,excuse me, miserable, trying to
(09:58):
find my place.
Self-loathing, feeling ugly,trying to find my place.
Self-loathing, feeling ugly,all these things that we tell
ourself.
And I never went on the paththat my friends did with drugs,
because that inner voice ofknowing said you are highly
addictive, you will becomeaddicted, you'll change the
trajectory.
(10:19):
That's not why you came here.
I used to hear that as ateenager, just like an
incredibly loud voice inside ofme, but it was way too much
alcohol and just generallyrunning.
Hear that as a teenager, justlike an incredibly loud voice
inside of me, but it was way toomuch alcohol and just generally
running amok as a normalteenager.
But the more I got drunk, themore I was trying to prove my
existence in this world, if thatmakes sense, you know.
(10:39):
But yeah, that completelychanged my life, learning
meditation and that experience.
Yeah, that completely changedmy life, learning meditation and
that experience.
And it put me onto a path thatI didn't consciously choose.
It grabbed me and I wentthrough a lot of experiences.
But I went through experiencesof being put into groups.
I traveled around Australia.
It continued to awaken.
I came back and I was put intogroups or chose groups to try to
(11:03):
find my tribe, my people, somementors, some teachers, and I
found that there's what I term alot of trickery out there, a
lot of people that say that theyknow what they're doing and
they don't.
It's a great bandwagon to jumpon and things would be said and
that inner voice was telling meto speak up.
I would almost start choking.
(11:24):
And then I would respond to thegroup and people would go oh my
God, I've got chills.
And so a guy got us involved tohis running group where this was
happening and got us involvedwith a Ouija board.
That was very dark.
Stuff started to happen.
He had young children that werestarting to scream and cry and
he just looked at me this is thefirst group I joined and said
(11:46):
you take over.
And I just knew how to bringthe divine, if you like, god
into it.
I knew what to do with theenergy, I knew how to clear
everything, I knew how to banishand move out of that space
lower, darker energies that werecoming in, and I just and I got
everything calm and went I'mout of here, everyone went,
we're out of here, and I justthought I just want to go
(12:09):
meditate.
And the next thing, everyone'scoming to my place, everyone's
seeking my answers, and it tookme on a path of awakening to the
fact that I am a shaman, hadalways been Singing to animals,
and things that I used to do asa kid started to make sense.
I was called into that.
(12:29):
I say kicking and screaming.
It's not something that Iwanted, it's not, and I don't
like titles, but for living inthis realm we need them.
But I found myself with theability to heal, with the
ability to fully understand mygift, with the ability to work
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with my energy in a way where Iwas no longer impacted by
everyone else's thoughts,emotions, feelings that were
impacting my body.
And for 20 odd years 20 years Iwas asked to speak.
I was asked to facilitategroups.
I did healing.
I moved into also some coachingand some corporate work.
A marriage breakdown or I say noa marriage completion where
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we'd fulfilled our contract andit was like, okay, this is why
we came together and now it'stime to go separate ways and
take that journey.
And then, being single forthree years, long story short I
then came into a newrelationship.
We moved into the house, wecombined and my business started
just lessening.
I still had people, but itcertainly wasn't on that high
(13:34):
that it was.
And then the call in came tomove and re-enter the workforce.
I was in my forties and it'sI'm going to look too old on a
piece of paper and I re-enteredthe workforce and my clients
just stayed with me on the sideand I ended up progressing
professionally in the end when Iwas running seven locations for
a car rental company.
(13:56):
But every role that I went into,every company that I went into,
I was severely bullied, bulliedby teams, bullied by management
and bullied by upper management, and I didn't think for a
second that I would come back tothis work.
But again it grabbed me afterabout a 10 year cycle of I'm
(14:17):
going to change jobs, I'llimprove in this area, I don't
want to work weekends, I'll havea car, I want this much money
All this would happen, but thebullying would increase and I
needed to learn to understandthat pattern and change that
within myself, to change my lifeagain.
And then it's brought me backinto my coaching, my healing
(14:40):
work, but at a whole new level,with experience.
That's also more relatable.
If I just stayed in my businessfor 30 years, I don't think I
would have grown to this sort ofplatform where I've now been in
a movie that comes out thisyear and et cetera.
But everything is about ourgrowth and I had to come to
understand.
(15:00):
Or I did come to understandthat I'd been bullied all of my
life.
Come to understand, or I didcome to understand that I'd been
bullied all of my life.
I was so used to it that Ididn't recognize it and I needed
it to become severe for me tosee that pattern, not be a
victim in it, but change thatpattern inside of me.
And the last role that I had asthat bullying came up, I pulled
(15:23):
that plug.
And as I pulled that plug andconfronted it in a whole new way
, changed from within, itdissolved.
And here I am back doing whatI'm doing.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
That's every time I hear your story and I know when
we first had our conversation,you went a lot more in depth.
For the sake of time, we're notdiving into all of that right
now, but there's something to besaid about the journey itself
and the process of the journey,because when we're navigating
the journey, we don't it doesn'talways make sense, because we
(15:56):
are.
Our lenses, so to speak, arebeing adjusted.
It's like you go to the eyedoctor and they say, okay, we
have to see how much you can seeright now, but we're going to
give you some corrective lensesthat allow you to see a little
bit more, a little bit better,and as you progress, the vision
will change.
And that's what's happening onour journey.
We're able to see more, we'reable to feel more, we're able to
(16:17):
know more deeply from within,and we wouldn't be able to do
what we do.
You wouldn't be able to do whatyou do or show up illuminated,
the way that you show up in theworld now, had it not been for
those moments in your life and,I know, for those in podcast
land who are listening right now.
This is and I'm excited aboutthis this conversation.
(16:40):
We're using terminology likeshaman and healing, and we've
talked about healing before.
You guys have been with me fora little bit now.
We're using terminology likeshaman and healing and we've
talked about healing before.
You guys have been with me fora little bit now.
We've talked about these things.
But I love how you said, even inmoving into these different
spaces it wasn't about titles,but we live in this framework,
this society, where we givemeaning to everything and we
identify with all thesedifferent things.
(17:01):
But the truth is going back towhat you said about that light,
that pinpoint.
When it hit you, you becameaware there was a level of
intimate knowing in thatawareness that I am-ness, I am
one with God, god is one with meSource, universe, whatever
pronoun you use, as I say,doesn't matter what pronoun you
(17:22):
use, because the finite mind cannever begin to even begin to
quantify or qualify the infinite.
I call it love, I also call itspirit.
It is something that and it'sinescapable, no matter where you
are, and man has been tryingfor years, on its conscious and
subconscious journey, to try tounderstand the isness of this
(17:45):
thing.
But this journey that you'vebeen on, it's brought you back
into that deeper state of innerknowing that's connected to all
things, which is why you becameso sensitive.
It's why you were able to tapinto the layers, beyond the veil
, of what we can see and what weidentify and give meaning to.
And what's beautiful about thatis I know that there's so many
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people listening right now andthey're like I've been
experiencing that because ofreligion or because of how they
were raised or because ofvarious experiences, it's like
they've been called certain,they've been told that certain
things oh, that's demonic orthat's new age or that's this,
or they've been programmed intodisconnecting from that inner
(18:28):
knowing and they don't trust it.
Like you said, like the innerchild, that little child in you,
before the programming, beforethe world put its stuff on you.
There was a knowing, even whenyou were five, and I relate to
that because even when I wasyounger it was the same thing.
I had this deeper knowing.
But I'm growing up SouthernBaptist.
(18:48):
Everything is hellfire andbrimstone and it never, it was
never synergistic with me.
It never felt right at a corelevel.
It never felt right at a corelevel and I'd love for you to
dive into that transition,because a lot of people may be
stuck in the programming or thereligion or the meanings that
they identify everything as, andthat's one of the main reasons
(19:11):
why they're not showing up inthat inner knowing, or they're
not able to truly hear it, andso I'd love for you to talk
about that a little bit, becauseI know that there's a lot of
people waking up right now who'dlove more insight in that area.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Yeah, thank you, princeton.
That's an awful question.
What happened for me in thatexperience, with that pinpoint
of light, was I came to a verydeep understanding, and it is
just love, because that's why Ijust wept.
It wasn't a cry, it wasn'tcrying, it was the weep of
remembrance.
But I really came to understandthat the turning the vision
(19:48):
inwards is the power, because itexists within, it's inside of
us.
Everything Science is nowsaying that the universe exists
within us and then, therefore,we exist within the universe.
So a key for me was to keepmeditating to create ways of
turning that vision inwardsthrough power questions, et
(20:11):
cetera.
Another thing that I experiencedwas I tried the healing path
that everyone seemed to betalking about and I just became
a wreck.
I was bringing babies into theworld.
Excuse me, I was bringingbabies into the world and I was
so far trapped in my past byrevisiting it in this particular
(20:33):
way to so-called heal it.
By the way, we're not broken.
None of us are broken.
It's reclaiming energy.
Okay, so I went so far backinto that past that it was like
this vortex sucking me in deeperand everything became darker
and more and more negative and Ifelt so broken.
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It's like the grief took meinto more grief, took me into
more grief, took me into moregrief, took me into more grief.
And I remember saying God,there must be an easier way to
heal.
And that's when I was taught.
That inner voice of knowingcame and taught me, talked me
through it and about energy andwhat was happening to me and
that we need to stay present inthe present.
(21:18):
It's just energy that's trappedand that reframing it by saying
yes, I had some painful, verypainful experiences.
I had two parents that I lovedearly, that are beautiful human
beings, but I needed them bothto be emotionally unavailable
because I was so sensitive thatI would have continued to hand
(21:38):
my power outwards rather thanturning inwards and really
finding what self-worth,self-value and self-love is all
about.
So there's a key, there's agift in everything, and I
started saying what was thepurpose of this for me?
So, starting to look atexperiences like they weren't
against me, I'm not a victim inany of this and I started to
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find that in there came love.
I developed that compassionfurther because I had it by my
nature, understanding, so evenunderstanding then my mother and
my father.
I started to ask questionsabout them, about their life
about so I could create thispicture of why were they being a
(22:21):
particular way and in some ofthe questioning of them, like
when I went to my father onceand said, why do you not love me
?
Because he was never able tosay I love you.
And he wept Princeton and hegot down on his knees in front
of me and he's like, why wouldyou think that?
And it's because I used to goto my mum and ask why does daddy
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hate me?
And she would say don't youtalk to me about your father
like that and shut me down.
My parents were even older thanmy friend's parents, so
different era again.
But he'd never heard that, sohe'd never had the opportunity
to respond that and I was alittle bit afraid of him as well
.
So I didn't, as a younger child, go to him and ask that
question.
So asking questions, reframingthe experience about what was,
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why did I need to experiencethis?
What did it give to me inshaping me and who I am today,
was all part of my healing.
But I got to stay present and,yes, I had moments of releasing
tears, releasing pain from mybody, but it led me to from love
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, compassion, understanding.
It led me into forgiveness andseeing that we're all human
beings doing our very best.
But I also developed the deepknowing that we are soul and
energy first and that we havecome here into this playing
ground because of theexperiences of adversity, of
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challenges, so that we can turnthat vision inwards, so that we
can bypass feeling the victimand realize that we're really
just reframing and then rewiringour energetic system back into
wholeness and it's a fun gamefor the soul, excuse me.
And that started to bring meback into wholeness and then I
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realized it takes great courage,also because you've got to hold
firm to developing andstrengthening that knowing
through terrains that you feelso much doubt and so much fear
and what am I really doing andwill I get to the other side?
(24:33):
And drawing on that knowing andI had statements that I would
harness on only goodness comesfrom God or only goodness comes
from the universe.
Whatever word you want to useagain doesn't matter, even if I
can't see it at the time.
So I kept tuning, taking theenergy source from my
subconscious, false stories andbeliefs and I don't call them
(24:55):
subconscious beliefs becausethat's instilling, it's a belief
that has power over me, so Icall them out as false stories
and beliefs, which every time Iuse that wording because words
have power.
It diffuses its power over me.
I'm calling it out for what itis.
It's false.
Okay, it feels very real, butit's false.
It does not serve me in myhighest, most expansive capacity
(25:18):
.
It does not serve me in myhighest, most expansive capacity
.
And then I was plugging thatenergy cord, if you like, that
power source into.
Only goodness comes from source.
Even if I can't see it at thetime, some would say that's
developing faith and it startsoff as faith until you do the
round so many times that eachtime you come out the other side
or cross that big league, yourealize that then becomes
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knowing and becomes truth.
So while I was reframing allthis and the language that was
coming to me helped me realizethat's creating an energetic
change I had to plug into a newsource of power and feed that
and feed that.
And that meditation for me wasthe key, because when we've got
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our vision outwards, it's likethose horses that have the
blinders, the blinkers on.
You can only see this.
You can't see what's out here.
You can't see what's out here.
You're living from the lensesthat you're wearing that are
discolored from those falsestories and beliefs.
Lenses that you're wearing thatare discolored from those false
stories and beliefs.
So if they're colored withanger, then you see the anger.
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If they're colored with no oneloves me.
That's what you're going to seeand experience.
So perceptions are those lenses,perspective which I gained
through meditation, and eventhat if I was sitting up here
looking down at myself and thisscenario, what would it look
like from perspective?
So I learned to take perceptioninto a perspective.
(26:51):
So seeing things from a higherperspective and using all those
things to anchor to and callingGod more deeply or source or
insight more deeply into me andinto situations, working with
that what I term the unseenworld, working with that energy,
because the truth iseverything's energy and that's
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why I call it the courageouspath, because we're also having
to look in and takeresponsibility.
I went through a phase wherepeople were, for a lot of my
life, very nasty to me, but evenwhen I was in my prime of doing
my and I call it my guidancework really, because any healer,
any great coach or mentor, allwe are and need to be are guides
(27:37):
that know and understand theterrain that says you're going
to do this, but I'm going tohelp show you the way that
taking responsibility by going.
If this keeps happening in mylife, where people keep turning
against me, what false story andbelief am I holding onto so
tightly inside of myself that Ineed to unpack?
So I learned that it's likegoing into a movie theater,
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princeton.
I can go into one room andwatch one movie, but I cannot
deny that there aren't eight ornine other films playing at the
same time, and that's how I seelife, that the movie's coming
from within me and projected out, and I can change that movie by
changing patterns and beliefsthat are inside of me and
(28:25):
plugging the power back into myheart.
Does that make sense?
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Oh yes, and there's when you speak and I have to be
mindful of time, I get to bemindful of time, but, oh my gosh
, a lot of this, we could die.
There's so many nuggets in whatyou just said.
But starting with the firstthing, and that's reclaiming
your energy, understanding thatwe are conductors of energy, we
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are conducting and respondingand sending out energy.
And I always say Princeton isnot the it, princeton is the
conduit, that's it.
Princeton's just an idea,princeton's just a vessel that I
operate in this world.
And going back to what I saidearlier, whatever I attach a
meaning to a perspective, to anidea to, I send power to that, I
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give power to that.
My divine energy, that'sconnected and in a state of
oneness with everything, ismanipulating the energy around
me.
It's moving energy or takingenergy or trapping energy, based
on the state that I'm in.
But this goes back to thatdeeper inner knowing and you hit
(29:38):
two different things in thatbelief versus knowing.
See, a lot of people believe.
When they talk about healing,when they talk about creating
change in their lives, achievingthat state of bliss or having
that relationship, whatever itis, they say I believe it's
possible.
But manifestation doesn'thappen purely from a belief.
(30:03):
It happens from a state ofknowing.
It's like saying I believe inGod versus I know.
God Knowing is rooted in theexperience of the intimate
connection in which you arestated in.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Yeah, and let's say conscious creation or conscious
manifestation?
Yes, because we've beenunconsciously creating all our
lives.
It's, then, about becomingconscious creators and crafters
to manifest the lives that weaspire to.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
And following that you went into talking about
healing, and I said this on arecent podcast episode.
I say true, healing is when youwake up and realize there was
never anything wrong with you,and I completely agree with what
you said when you said that youknow, doing a lot of what most
people call the healing worknowadays is not truly healing.
(30:56):
It's a regurgitation and areliving habitually over and
over what you have experienced,as if it's still happening or
there's still something wrongwith you now because of an
experience, and it doesn'tnegate that you had that
experience.
That's not what we're saying,guys, for everyone listening.
(31:18):
We're not saying that theexperience didn't matter.
What we're saying is ithappened, but in this now moment
it only continues to thriveenergetically in your being and
in your life if you continue togive power to it and meaning to
it.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Yeah, that's so powerful, if I could just
interject there.
Yes, I wept, I felt grief, Ifelt injustice in certain things
that happened to me, and therewas some sexual stuff back as a
child as well.
It doesn't mean that didn'thappen.
It's the keys of how do I freemyself.
And, if you recall, I use theword I choose not to be a victim
(31:56):
, which means that has powerover me continually and that the
more we focus on it, the morewe feed it, the more the
reticular activation system inthe brain is going to keep
finding reasons too.
So, yeah, you're absolutelyright and powerful point to say
we're not saying that it didn'thappen, we're not saying that it
(32:17):
wasn't hurtful or painful orwhat feels like as wrong, but
let's find the gift in it so wereclaim our power back into
wholeness.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
And that starts with shifting the perception by
becoming aware of theperspective that you are
choosing to view it from, and soI'd love for you to go deeper
into that perspective.
Translation, or translatinginto the perception.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Yes.
So when we start this journeyand it is an inner journey there
are layers to it and we reallyneed to start with the mindset
psychology, so understandingwhat our mind is doing and where
it's sending our energy intopast, projections into the
future, the power of the mind increating, manifesting, et
(33:08):
cetera and becoming moremasterful over how we use our
mind that's why I call itmindset psychology and the part
that has in our healing andtransformation and spiritual,
physical experience, and thatactually, as we travel through
that terrain, it then takes usinto emotional restoration,
(33:29):
which is that healing, thatreclaiming.
I'm going to reframe it, I'mgoing to bring my power back
into it that frees me love,compassion, understanding,
forgiveness.
I'm going to release the storedemotional energy from my body.
And then that that leads usinto spiritual application,
(33:50):
which means I understand thespiritual practices of the mind
and of the emotions and ofenergy and what works for me,
and that, for me, meditation isan absolute key.
Asking power questions are aspiritual application.
Invoking which is reallyinviting spirit or source or
(34:11):
whatever into my awareness andinto my life experiences, all of
those are spiritual application.
Walking and power, walkingaround the park and exercise for
me are a spiritual application,because I don't listen to
anything except nature when I dothat walk and my inner voice.
So that's where we it's not adiscipline, it's a choice
(34:34):
because of that journey throughmindset, psychology, emotional
restoration into that spiritualapplication.
Now, where that takes us indoing this journey in this way,
takes us into consciousintegration, because we have
integrated you know what we termnegative past experiences.
(34:57):
Okay, so now we're consciouslyintegrating newness, a new way
into our being, because conceptsalone change nothing.
I don't care what books you'veread, what language you use.
That will not change anythingunless you do this application
of the journey.
But then that consciousintegration leads you into
(35:17):
energetic expansion.
So you actually change thewhole of your energetic being
and it changes frequency, whichis what everyone talks about in
terms of manifesting.
So you're becoming the energyof the life that you're aspiring
to and the person you'reaspiring to be.
And that then takes us into thevery center of it, which is
(35:39):
unity, knowing where we knowthat we are all one, where we
know that we are the veryuniverse and all its
intelligence, abundance and loveand expansiveness and wisdom,
and that knowing source itself.
But to get in there, we'redoing the journey of the
perception.
We're going in with ourperceptions and we're piercing
(36:01):
each of those veils, okay, tillwe get to that core.
And by the time we get to thatunity, knowing we're coming back
out, and that's when we haveexpanded perception, then we
live that reality within theuniverse we call our physical
life.
But then we're going to goagain.
(36:22):
We're going to go through allof those layers again, getting
into that source of who we arewith our limiting perceptions,
because this is a never-endingcycle.
We're unmasking stuff all thetime and then we're coming back
out.
We've got a more expandedperspective, then we're living
that reality, but we get fasterat doing it right.
So when I first started and Ifelt so broken, I came to
(36:45):
understand I was never broken atall, but it would.
What?
Let's say what took.
As an example, you can say whattook a year, then took eight
months, then took eight days,then took eight hours.
I've had a friend witness me gothrough something incredibly
painful and I'd only had a fewsips of my tea and she goes
you're out of it, aren't you?
(37:05):
I went, yeah, she goes.
That was five minutes.
I'm like are you genuinely outof it?
Tune into the body?
Yeah, do you know what I mean?
So we become more adept, but wedon't stop doing those cycles,
that coming in from our limitedperception, and we always need
to be willing to do that.
Know what I know, but I knownothing at all.
(37:27):
If I have arrived, then I amleaving this body.
I'm still in this body, sothere's still more for me to
explore, and what happens is I'm.
The truth then doesn't change.
My message hasn't changed sinceI was 24, 25.
I've found writings frommagazines and that I used to
write for back then and a bookthat I did back then.
(37:48):
What I've come to understand isdoing that cyclical journey and
expanding our perception andthen living that reality and
coming back in again and doingit again.
It just means that myunderstanding of the truth
deepens and expands.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Oh my gosh, I know for some people listening, you
guys may be like this is reallyheavy, but it just sounds that
way because your perception andyour perspective around it
hasn't shifted yet.
But what you just said, rightthere, is key, because I feel
the same way.
I've recognized the same thingin my journey.
My message hasn't changed foryears, over a decade it hasn't
(38:27):
changed, but the perception ofit has only gone deeper.
It's just, excuse me, it's justlike math.
You start off learning two plustwo equals four and pretty soon
next thing you know, if youcontinue to advance and study
the processes mathematically andthe different ways to use
numbers and the differentrepresentations of numbers, next
thing you know you're doingcalculus.
(38:48):
But all the levels of math aresimply principles that you're
applying at different usages, atthe different stages.
And this is the process thatwe're all going to get to grow
through if we allow ourselves tosurrender to the knowing, to
surrender to the growth, tosurrender to the evolution of
(39:10):
this process.
And so one thing that I willsay to anyone listening right
now is give yourself space andgrace to surrender to it.
Give yourself space and graceto know that you are already in
a powerful place.
You are literally creatingevery aspect of your reality.
Right now, eithersubconsciously or consciously,
you are the divine creator ofyour life, and in this you
(39:36):
talked about how it's not adiscipline, it's a choice.
It's not a discipline, it's achoice because you hear so many
people talk about discipline,and it's really a conscious
choice, because once you wake up, it's like when you wake up,
you can't go back to sleep again.
So you're either going to makea choice to continue.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Well, if you do, you're going to get really
heavily stuck in your comfortzone, and that's the most
uncomfortable place to be.
And I love when you saysurrender.
And here's what I want to sayto your listeners If you're
feeling a bit of discomfort orpushback at all, great, because
you're ready for change.
There's something that has beensaid from Princeton or myself,
(40:20):
and the whole energy to createconnection of it that's now
tapping and there's a bit of acrack and the old wants to go.
Don't.
So just be mindful.
That's a beautiful experienceyou're having.
Secondly, as you talk aboutSurrender, Princeton, the best
investment you can make inyourself is to get support and
(40:40):
to get to support.
So you do the coaching andeverything that you do,
Princeton, but I know it's thatguide.
You'll shed the terrain, as doI, and the best investment is to
go.
If we're going to try to dothis ourselves, especially if
you're first starting out, youwon't do it.
Every level of sabotage willcome screaming out of you as to
why not, will come screaming outof you as to why not, why not
(41:02):
to change, Okay, and we'redesigned that way.
So if you can invest inyourself to seek out a guide
such as myself or Princeton,that's really done this journey
and continues to do this journeyand knows every level of the
terrain, of the mindset, of theemotions, of the energetics of
it all and the power ofintegration you put excuse me,
(41:25):
that will come back to youtenfold.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
It will come back to you tenfold, but don't try to do
it alone.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Yeah, it is painful and it's truth to what you said
right there.
That's so good because Iremember I was just telling a
client this earlier today.
I remember so many points on myjourney because I didn't always
have mentors there growing up,where I grew up, and so I would
read a lot of books, but so manytimes I was like I wish someone
would just come and tell mewhat the hell to do.
Just, I don't want to growthrough this alone.
(41:53):
I don't want to grow throughthis and have to constantly fall
down over and over again.
Just tell me and it's you don'tgo to, you don't go to a
mountain and say I'm going to doa hike if you don't have a GPS,
if you don't have a guide,because you know that you're
going to get lost.
But that's what a lot of us dowe try to take the journey alone
(42:15):
, completely negating the factthat we were never created to do
it alone.
We were never created to try tojust make it on our own.
We are wired for connection,and how has that transpired in
your journey?
I know you've met mentors but,like me, your spirit has been
your predominant guide theentire time.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
Yeah, that's been my shamanic path, that I've needed
to do it on my own because therewas a lot, as I said,
experienced out here that I borewitness to with my gift, that a
lot of people didn't know whatthey were doing.
I'm not trying to bag anyoneout, but there's.
They didn't really understandenergy, um, the rites of passage
(43:02):
, the initiations and thedifferences of those to just
healing.
Oh, I'm just in the middle ofhealing something and I would
guess that you two have donewhat you have now looked back on
going.
I understand what a rite ofpassage is, I understand what an
initiation process is, but Ineeded to do that on my own
because that was my shamanicpath and my shamanic gift of
(43:26):
understanding to then bring backout into the world.
But when I had learned thatpathway, I too still put my hand
up.
I have coaches, I've been tohealers.
I went to someone a while ago,a couple of weeks ago, to help
me sort out my energy.
There's only so much that Icould do, but the knowing tells
me, inner knowing says go.
(43:49):
And I usually see this personand I'd met this other person
and their name kept coming seeBeverly.
So it's okay, I'll go see,beverly, once you've done this
journey and you've dialed upthat inner voice of knowing and
you are trusting it, then youwill be guided to the right
people.
They're all the right people.
I've experienced someone puttinghands on me and I've come out
(44:11):
and I've had to undo all thedamage of what they've pumped
into me, because you can't.
Energy is always interactingand if you're working with
someone energetically, veryconsciously, which is what I do,
even when I'm coaching and inWord, I'm moving energy, I'm
listening to their soul, I'mlistening to their energy and
we're creating a healing shiftwhich is different from the work
(44:33):
when they come to see me and Iwork with sound tools and I work
with the energy, but everythingthat I'm thinking or speaking
about goes into that person.
You need to be very clearlyaligned in doing that energetic
work, healing journey withsomeone, to make sure that
you're not bringing in muddywaters of your own.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Yeah, and one thing that I will say to piggyback off
of that, as far as being led bythe knowing to the guides, to
the mentors, even to books, Itell people I never really would
take book recommendations.
I would literally walk intoBarnes Noble.
I started this in the verybeginning.
I'm 23 years old.
(45:15):
I would walk into Barnes Nobleand I would close my eyes and I
would say give me what's for metoday.
And I would walk with my handsalong the books and until I felt
that knowing, say okay, stop.
And it was almost like a pullsometimes, because sometimes I
would want to keep moving but myhand would stay there.
I wouldn't feel comfortableeven if I took my hand off, and
(45:37):
so I would just know.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
And I would just pick that book and I would just open
it up.
And every single time, this isthe thing when you're listening
to the knowing, when you meet aguide or mentor or teacher,
they're not going to tell youanything that you don't already
know.
They're going to affirm it toyou and then, if there's any
areas of blind spot in what'sbeing affirmed, they're going to
(46:01):
help you to see it more.
That's all they're going to do.
It's not that you don't alreadyknow it and I'm going to add
this to anyone that's listeningEverything that is required for
you to know and grow and be inthis world is already in you.
And so when we're talking aboutthat inner voice of knowing in
today's society, it's very hardfor a lot of people and I have a
(46:24):
lot of deep level of empathyfor a lot of people waking up
right now because there's somuch noise and everybody's
seeking, looking.
And what advice would you giveto people who are saying I'm
waking up, I'm breaking awayfrom old belief systems, I'm
realizing that the reality thatI've been in no longer suits me,
but I don't know who to trust.
I don't know really where tobegin.
(46:46):
What advice would you give tosomeone that's in that space
right now.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
Don't spend too much time on social media, limit it.
In my coaching program we alsoaddress boundaries, but it's
very different because it's notjust about boundaries in
relationships, b boundariesaround your time, boundaries,
around money boundaries.
And when I first started, wedidn't have social media.
There wasn't even a computer.
That came in my thirties.
(47:12):
I started in my twenties, so itwas a lot simpler, whereas now
and I get hounded all the time,getting messaged by people all
the time and meditate, find away to meditate and understand
that meditation.
There's actually some three freemeditations on my website, but
meditation is not sitting on thetop of the mountain and having
(47:34):
complete quiet.
Meditation is about learninghow to become that witness and
call your energy back from whereit's being projected and just
bringing yourself into peace.
That's another story.
But get outside in nature, takedeep breaths, breathe with your
hand on your chest.
There's actually a process thatI have and it's four breaths in
(47:56):
.
Hold that four breaths andrelease the four breaths, and do
that cyclically, but add fourwords.
Four breaths and release thefour breaths and do that
cyclically, but add four words.
The other day, during theeclipse, mine was I sit with
truth.
I sit with truth because I wasneeding to see what within me
needed to be revealed.
I am here now.
Whatever those four words are,what you're doing is you're
(48:17):
connecting with the intelligenceof the heart.
You're bringing yourself intothe present moment.
In the present moment, there ispeace.
You're dialing into your innervoice of knowing.
But don't keep searching outthere, especially in social
media.
Set some boundaries around that, because there is a lot of
noise.
When you find a few people onsocial media that you feel like
(48:38):
are speaking to you, follow them, connect with them, join their
Facebook group, learn from them.
But don't go and join 20 groups.
Do you know what I mean?
Try a tree and then just a fewbranches, but do the things like
the breath work, like the heart, intelligence, breathing,
meditation, getting outside inamongst nature and just
(49:01):
listening to nature.
Don't put an audio book in atthat time, making that choice,
to just feel your own knowingand that when you are ready,
that right person will show upand you will feel it.
But if you keep getting caughtwatching this, listening to this
, watching this, listening tothis, watching this, listening
(49:28):
to this, your energy isscattered and in that scattered
you will just get caught up inthat panic mode of.
I want to find it, I want theanswer I want you don't want to
be wanting.
I need the right coach, I needthe right healer, I need the
right book.
And if you're reading a book,great, but try out.
This was the thing it's.
Try out whatever you hear,whatever you read.
(49:49):
Don't just go oh yeah, I knownothing unless you're absolutely
living it.
You can be reminded ofsomething, but you don't know it
unless you're living andapplying it.
So if you hear something thatPrinceton's written and you're
like, wow, apply it, try it outand see for yourself the power
(50:10):
of it, process of embodying,learning to be with yourself,
being present with yourselfEckhart Tolle talks about.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
I love what you said about meditation.
Eckhart Tolle talks about how Iam not the brain and a lot of
times when you hear people talkabout mindset and those who've
been with me for a while you mayhave heard me talk about this
but if I say I am thinking, it'snot my brain saying I am
thinking, it is the consciousawareness that thought is
happening.
And oftentimes, even going backto what you said, people think
meditation is about gettingquiet, quieting the brain.
(50:44):
Good luck, it's not aboutquieting the brain.
It's about allowing yourself tobecome present in your breath,
in the now moment, and thenobserving the brain like a
computer what is it processing,what is it revealing, and then
choosing in a present momentwhether that serves you and
(51:07):
deserves you or not.
And then you get to choose whatyou give power to in the moment
.
And that's where theaffirmations and having that
phrase or those words come in,because that's the reframing,
that's the bringing back intopresence and that's really
powerful and I know a lot ofthese things that Kay has said
(51:29):
and you know that we're talkingabout right now.
It seems like it's so simple,and it really is.
Your brain is what tells you.
It's not because of yourprogramming, but it is simple.
It's just about applying it,embodying it every day, and this
is going back to what you justsaid.
Also, a lot of people have theknowledge of and I always say
(51:51):
information, or knowledge issimply information recorded, but
wisdom is information andknowledge embodied.
And so what most people areseeking in today's quote,
unquote information age is moreinformation, and that creates
more confusion because you'regetting a bunch of information.
That's like putting a bunch ofdifferent programs on my
(52:12):
computer right now.
Eventually, my computer isgoing to run out of digital RAM
and it's going to send me amessage and say I don't have
enough digital memory to processthe assignments that you're
giving me right now, and then itmight crash Right, crash, burn
shut down?
Speaker 3 (52:28):
Yeah, but you know what Simple Is it simple that
we've clicked a couple ofbuttons and we're talking across
the globe?
Simple, but guess what?
On the surface it seems simple,but we both know, we all know
that what's going on underneathis very complex, but on the
surface seems very simple.
Speaker 1 (52:50):
And that's why you're able to get to that point, and
I love that you hit this alittle earlier.
What may have taken eight years, eventually maybe only took
eight months.
Eventually maybe only tookwinding it down eight minutes,
five minutes.
It's a process.
It's a process of embodimentand application.
And that takes me back to thatspace again where I say give
(53:13):
yourself space and grace whereyou are and understand.
It's not about perfection, it'sabout progress, it's about
being able to navigate eachmoment, even coming to the end
of your day and saying, eventhough I may not be where I want
to be, I'm exactly where I needto be and I'm better yeah, and
each time you do the process,you understand the terrain.
Speaker 3 (53:33):
So then when you're going through it, you're like,
oh, this is uncomfortable again.
Okay, I know where I'm at.
And then you build that historyof I came out of it last time
and I came out of it changed.
I've just turned 59 and I feeldifferent from when I was 58.
I'm a different person, samebut different.
(53:53):
I'm certainly different fromwhen I was 19, 29, 39, because
I'm becoming more and more of mydeepest authentic self.
Because authenticity getsthrown around but we're all
being authentic in the momentwith who and how we know
ourselves to be.
If I'm angry, I'm beingauthentically angry.
(54:14):
Do you know what I mean if I?
Speaker 1 (54:15):
it's so my deepest, authentic, soulful, more
expanded self, if you like andI'm glad you hit on that, and I
know we're coming up on the hour, but I love that you said that,
because I often say, whenpeople say I'm just being
authentic, okay, but is thatauthentic you bringing you joy?
Is that authentic you bringingyou peace?
(54:36):
Is that authentic you expandingyou in love?
Because if it's not, thatauthenticity, though real, is an
illusion that's keeping youstuck from being the deepest,
most aware, most conscious, mostactive version of you in your
life.
And so you can, like you said,be authentically angry, and you
(54:56):
can authentically justify thatanger, you can authentically
justify your fear, you canauthentically justify your work,
so on and so forth, but are youauthentically living in your
divinity?
Are you authentically living inyour power?
And this is where, again, thisjourney is so important, because
I know a lot of people, even inthis journey, you will have
(55:18):
moments where you say, man, Ifeel like I already got past
this.
Why is this still happening?
And it's no, it's just a partof the journey.
It's okay.
At certain points of your life,you took this path and, like you
said, you're being brought backto it again, but this time what
you notice is okay.
I recognize this before.
As to where.
(55:40):
Before it might have hit youlike a pop quiz moment, out of
the blue and it's dang, I didn'teven realize it.
Now you're like, okay, I'veseen this before.
Okay, I know that up here Ineed to go right instead of go
left.
I know here I need to be silentinstead of speaking, so on and
so forth, and so it's justallowing you to put into
practice.
It's like lifting weights inthe weight room.
You're going to go in, you'regoing to do the same exercises,
(56:01):
depending on what exercise orwhat muscle group rather, you're
developing, and the exercisesdon't change.
You can cause some muscleconfusion and do them in a
different order, but ultimately,if you want to continue to
develop those muscles, you haveto continue to do the exercises
that are going to develop thosemuscles, and the same thing
applies spiritually.
Speaker 3 (56:19):
Absolutely.
And just one final thingEverything is speaking to us.
So if you find yourself inanger, if you find yourself in
reactiveness, if you findyourself in all of those
expressions, they're justletting you know that there's
pain inside of you.
Turn the vision back in and goto the source of that pain.
Bring love, compassion,understanding and forgiveness to
(56:45):
it Because a lot of people getcaught in positive and negative.
That's not a negative.
It's been deemed a negative.
Let's come back to all there is.
Ultimately, at the heart ofeverything is love.
Speaker 1 (56:58):
So good, Kay, I could continue talking to you forever
and I know people listening arelike man, this is good.
Where can I reach out to Kay?
So what's the best way for themto reach out to you if they'd
like to contact you?
Speaker 3 (57:12):
Look, go straight to my website K-A-Y-E-D-O-R-A-Ncom,
and then all the links to allmy social media is there, but,
yeah, we could talk forever.
We haven't talked about how towork with our energy and all of
that.
This has been a wonderfulconversation, though, and always
love connecting with you.
Maybe we should do a series.
Speaker 1 (57:32):
Maybe we should have a few different conversations on
some different topics and seewhere that goes.
And, guys, if you enjoy this,go check out her podcast.
All her links, all of herinformation is on her website.
I encourage you, go check itout.
If you're listening to this andmaybe you're in a place where
you're on the fence, you're likesome of this stuff may be new,
(57:56):
but new is better than the old.
Give yourself permission totake the journey, because
there's a reason you're hereright now.
There's a reason why certainthings knocked on the door of
your heart today.
There's a reason why certainaspects of your persona were
pricked.
And so Kay is here.
She's a.
She has such a servant's heartand she illuminates any space
(58:18):
that she comes into.
But what I love is thecontainer that she creates, and
you can tell just the energy ofher words.
She has a very nurturingfeminine but yet powerful energy
in her presence, and so if youguys are seeking that, maybe
talking to me I'm not the oneMaybe you need that divine
feminine.
You need that divine presencein your life from a woman.
(58:42):
I challenge you go.
What's stopping you?
What's stopping you?
Look at your life right now andif you can't say that you are
happy where you are andsomething has spoken to you
today.
What that means is you've beengiven two C's a chance and a
choice.
What you do with it is up toyou.
This is simply one door thathas been opened.
(59:03):
The question you must askyourself is am I willing to walk
through it?
Kay, thank you so much forcoming on the podcast.
Do you have any final wordsthat you would like to share
before we close out?
Speaker 3 (59:17):
Oh, I'm just letting the energy of your words wash
over me.
Just that you are worthy.
You are worthy of more thanwhere you feel yourself to be
right now, because you are adivine spark of the source of
all that there is.
You don't need to become worthyyou already were born worthy.
Speaker 1 (59:36):
Like I always say, an apple seed doesn't have to
fight to be an apple tree italready is.
Guys, thank you for tuning intothis episode of Evolved Mastery
with myself and Kay Duran fortoday's interview.
I hope you guys, and I wish youguys, I send you love, I send
you joy, I send you peace and Ijust send you energy right now
(59:57):
that everything that you touch,everything you speak to,
everything that you respondthrough in your life begins to
expand, give you opportunitiesand give you new levels of you,
expressed in your life, so thatyou can truly experience the
deepest levels of authenticityand power and purpose.
Thank you, guys, for joiningthis episode of Evolve Mastery.
(01:00:18):
We'll be talking to you guysagain soon.
Yes, I am.
Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Yes, I am.
It's be talking to you guysagain soon.
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