August 25, 2024 • 50 mins
Welcome back to the pod Jordanna Levin! Today we're celebrating the launch of Jordanna's newest book All Signs Point to You which is officially available tomorrow! If you're even a tiny bit into astrology then this book is for you, its broken down into 2 parts and its really easy to get your head around.
For people living out of Australia like me heres a link to getting your hands on a copy.
https://www.readings.com.au/search/results?query=all+signs+point+to+you#
International listeners can also download on Kindle now or pre-order the audiobook on Spotify, Audible and Apple Books (available Sept 13)!
And Aussie's you can find it in stores tomorrow or you can order it now from QBD booksellers: https://www.qbd.com.au/all-signs-point-to-you/jordanna-levin/9781923022683/
You can find out more about Jordanna here: https://www.jordannalevin.com/
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Get a I'm Laala Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter
and professional overshaer. This podcast is all about celebrating failure
because I believe it's a chance for us to learn,
grow and face our blind spots. Each week I'll interview
a different guest about their highs as well as their lows,
(00:26):
all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail.
Hello Potter Rooney Fambam. Today we have returning guests jumping
on the pod all the way from Australia. Beautiful Byron Bay, Australia.
Might I add it is Jordana Levigne and you would
(00:47):
know her from well from this pod. She's been on loads.
I always get her to jump on at the start
of the year to talk all things astrology. And how
exciting that she now has a book all about us
astrology that is officially out in Australia tomorrow. So it's
called All Signs Point to You Unlock your Potential with
(01:08):
the Wisdom of Astrology. I've read the book. It's kind
of broken down into two parts. It's really easy to digest.
It's so fun to learn about your sign, your moon sign,
your rising sign, your partner's rising sign, or your mates.
It is really fun, really easy to understand. And I
don't know about you, but I sometimes find astrology a
(01:30):
little bit overwhelming and mathematical when you get into the
knitty gritty of it and you're starting to talk about
house placements and you're looking at the natal chart, which
is also your birth chart, and it's just an interchangeable name,
I believe, but you're looking at it and you're like,
holy smokes, this all feels like a really hard core
(01:51):
pythagorous math equation. It's not, and that well it is,
but you're donea makes it really simple to digest. So
I hope you love this episode. We break down astrology,
we break down the book, but again, if you're in Australia,
also in the show notes if you're in America or
somewhere else, Jordana has given me the link so that
(02:11):
we can buy it all over the world. So how
good Jordana. Congrats. I'm so excited to see this book flight.
It's got a beautiful cover on it. And to you
the listener, I hope you love this app. You know,
I love all things woo woo an astrology and like
all this kind of like spiritual health and personal development space.
So I hope you love this app. Geordana, thank you
(02:33):
so much for jumping on the pod. It's always a
pleasure to have you on. Fearless sleep failing right o,
gang hooru, big love, Hello, welcome back to the pod.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Hello, Geordana, thank you, and welcome back to your life.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
I haven't seen you in I know.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
I was going to start this by saying, can I
have a Byron Bay update? But you just gave Matt
and I one on the Yeah, it looks rainy out
a good one.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah, we're having we're having apocalyptic rain today, but you
know how Byron works, the sun will be out in
an hour, so it's nothing to stressful.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Well, I've got to say your background there is giving
rainforest jungle vibes, and it's actually giving writers retreat because
I know you've got your post it notes on one side.
I'm loving this kind of I'm loving this kind of
vibe for you. I don't know, I think it's beautiful.
Oh my god, thank you so much. This is your
fourth time on the pod, is it not?
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (03:32):
I've had you on talking about I want to say,
make it happen? Would that be right.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
I know.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I think our first one was higher love. Oh yeah,
make it happen in higher love together. Then then you
came on and then we astrology are extraordinary twice.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yeah two astrology.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah, so it is it and oh my god, I
feel so Now we've got a meshing of both the
worlds where.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
You've written that's about astrology, and here we are talking
about it. So, first of all, congrats. How do you feel?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
I feel really great, And I have to be honest
with you, I don't always feel really great when a
book is coming out. It's very scary, but this book
feels different. I'm so excited about it, and I just
I don't know. I feel it's the book that people need.
(04:27):
And I've already sound like I'm trying to sell myself,
but I really think it's a book that people need,
and I wrote it because it doesn't exist on the
bookshelves right now.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Well, I have been powering through the digital version, and
you know me, I love a tactile copy, but that's
just because I love you. And it's not officially out yet,
but it's been such a fun read. I'm already a
bit of an astrology. Well, I found out after reading
your book that I love the term that you talk
about junk food astrology. I'm that I watch tiktoks on
(04:58):
my rising ascending some I am the personal watch every
single TikTok there is about Lionsgate Portal or what's going
on for the month of a month we're about to
go into. But I like the way straight out of
the gate you call that junk food astrology. Can you
break that down and explain it a bit to us. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
First of all, I want to say that I love
junk food, so there is nothing wrong with consuming junk
food astrology. But I kind of use the analogy, you know,
the shareable memes that we share with our friends and
that we feel like we get so much insight into
astrology from whether it's TikTok or Instagram or reading your
horoscopes in magazines. They're what we call junk food astrology
(05:41):
because they're just giving you a little taste, a little tidbit,
a little bit of satiation. But they're not the heart
of astrology. And that's not to say that you shouldn't
take part in it because it's fun and I do it,
but it's having the awareness that true astrology. The kind
of astrology it can actually help you and nourish you
(06:02):
and expand you. Is what I like to call whole
food astrology, which is a really holistic view of it
and if we consume it, well, a really really expansive
way of looking at personal development and your own growth.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yeah, I love it. I love the way you reference
Carl Jung a few times in the book as well,
and I was like, oh, I didn't. I'd never put
two together.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
I don't want to take credit for that. That is
a very common thing in astrology. A lot of Carl
Jung's work is attached to what we call psychological astrology.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yeah, you did credit that beautifully, I will say. But
can we talk about the book so it's called all
Signs Point to You. Can you take me back to
when you I'm assuming because I guess I have a
bit of a sneaky insight into this being your friend,
But yes, I know you weren't necessarily planning on writing
this book. You kind of like got a call from
(06:56):
your publisher being like, hey, your pod because you had
have Lunar Lover pod that's almost at three hundred episodes
now with a huge following and So was that kind
of what did your publisher go? You know what, you're
podsurally popular, you're passionate about this topic. Could you write
a book about this topic? No?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Well, hang on, she didn't not say that. But I
was writing a fiction book, which I'm still writing. And
I had been on holidays in Spain and I was
with a girlfriend over there who I haven't seen in ages,
and we were talking about astrology quite in depth, and
I was taking her through her natal chart. Anyway, I
(07:37):
was on the plane on the way home and I
just got this like download or dump of an idea
around turning a personal development book or turning an astrology
book into a personal development book, because the astrology books
that exist are are a lot of information, they're quite
(08:00):
and they're really hard to apply in a practical way
to your own life, which is how I approach every
book I write, Like, what's the point in the knowledge
if you can't integrate it and embody it and.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Put it into practice?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Right?
Speaker 3 (08:14):
So I had this idea and I thought, oh God,
I don't really have.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Time to write another book. I'm trying to write this
one I'm writing now. But I called my publisher and
I said what do you think? And she is a
fan of astrology, and she she was like, look, I've
wanted to do an astrology book for so long, but
classically astrology books don't sell well.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
And when she said that, I got it.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
I get it because I am a student of astrology,
I practice astrology, I teach astrology, and I would agree
the books don't sell well because they're not exciting, they're
not fun. So we decided that this was a good
idea if I could inject some fun and personality into it.
And I feel like I've managed to toe the line
(08:59):
between the fun side of junk food astrology, which we
love and we live for, but also really injecting the
tradition and the wisdom of astrology into it and trying
to kind of explain why those tropes and those stereotypes
that we're so used to reading about actually exist, where
that comes from, and then how you can practically apply
(09:22):
that to your own life. Oh.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I love it. I literally thought you must have got
some call being like Georgiana, we've got to get you
doing that. But I love that it came to you
at the end of a trip and you were like,
hang on, this is a really cool idea. So once
you kind of got that idea across the line with
your publisher, then what happened next? Was it? Because I
know you and I are both quite organismic. I feel
(09:46):
like we're both pretty organized writers. I would describe it
love a plan, love a love plan. Yes, So, like,
what was the process for you? Because I'd love to
give the listeners a little behind the scenes of the
life of a writer. And I know that you teach
you do writing courses as well. So what happened next
when you kind of got this green light? What was
(10:08):
the next step? Well?
Speaker 2 (10:09):
I do this with all my books, even before I
pitch it, well, haven't I formally pitch it, like I
pitched it vocally, But before I formally pitched it in
a proposal, I always do like a really really detailed
structure of the book. And I don't do that so
much for the publisher. I do it to convince myself
(10:29):
I know where this book's going and that I can.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Actually write it.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Because if I pitch something but I haven't actually planned
it out, there's this moment of oh my god, what
the fuck?
Speaker 3 (10:39):
What if this doesn't actually work?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
When you start to kind of put pen to paper
or you know, finger to keyboard, and so yeah, I
plan everything out. I get as detailed as I can.
This book, in particular was quite easy because every chapter
on a Sign follows the same struction. There's a bunch
of subheadings, which makes it very easy for my brain
(11:05):
to sort of compartmentalize how everything's going to kind of
play out within the book. And when it comes to
the writing process, when you've already got those subheads ready
to go, you can write in chunks and really feel
like you've accomplished something. And I just think when you
can tick boxes like that as a writer, you know,
(11:26):
it's so hard to feel accomplished day to day because
it's so standard that you're going to get writer's block
or you're just going to have a day when you're
not feeling particularly creative. But when you can knock off
chunks like that under short subheads, you well, I find
for me anyway that I can move through a manuscript
a lot faster.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
I have to ask you, because I've witnessed you do
this in real life in person. Sometimes I'll go to
polarates when I'm back in Yrm. I'll be like, I'm
just going to whip around the corner and grab a coffee.
And you are sitting there with your laptop at a
cafe writing and sometimes you don't have headphones in, and
I'm like, and I know you're working on a manuscript.
I'm like, how the F is this human being? Maybe
(12:07):
because I'm like super, I'm quite like I get sound
pollution is a thing that I can't handle, Like I
have to have noise canceling headphones on whenever I write,
and a very specific type of music when I write. Like,
is it just for you to like get out of
your like where you write at home?
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Is that like something that you practice. I am exactly
the same as you. I cannot write in public. So
if you see me with my laptop in a cafe,
I'm likely editing or reviewing or reading what I wrote
the day before. I am not writing, trust me. I
need silence. Like I've got traffic outside my house. Not
(12:49):
a lot of traffic, not like beeping, not like middle
of New York City traffic, but just cars driving by.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
And that's enough to distract me. So yeah, no, I'm
the same.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
I am.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Noise canceling headphones, you know, eyes down, no distractions.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Oh, Okay, well that's music to myrgo is Yeah, I
have to ask and this is a bit hippie, but
I feel like I can ask it to you because
we are talking all things astrology today. Do you have
a writing ritual, Like do you like, because I know
you're a morning writer often, like is it like you
make your morning coffee and then you sit down, No,
(13:23):
You've got your beautiful cat with you know, Like, is
there anything that you like to do that's like part
of a ritual for you? Like I prefer I'm a
morning writer, but sometimes, like you're probably the same things
will come to you at night and you're like, oh
my god, I've just got to like get this down.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Yeah. I do the bulk of my writing in the morning,
for sure.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
I Yeah, I usually have my coffee and actually hop
back into bed, And some of the writing that I
do from bed with my coffee, which feels like I
haven't formally started writing for the day, is some of
my best work. I also really try and look, I'm
not religious with but I do try and do a
(14:04):
writing guided meditation which I actually wrote for myself, and
I take myself through it with my own voice.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Maybe a little bit narcissistic, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
And it just helps me connect with the intention of
bringing through exactly the words that need to be written
today and not really attaching to word count or outcome,
just really knowing what the intention is for that day.
I find that really really helpful. And then the other
thing is I make sure I'm not writing for more
(14:35):
than two hours at a time, like getting up, moving around,
having some food, going outside, going for a walk. That's
all really really important to me. But I also have
to have the structure. So I've got people listening, can't say,
but I'll show show, Lola.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
I've got a.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
What do we call this hourglass?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Hour glass? Yeah, it's like a satin timer. It's it's
a thirty minute hour glass. So if I haven't done
to a two hour slot, I turn this over and go, okay,
at least right for the next thirty minutes.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
And there's something.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Poetic about an hour glass rather than the timer on
your phone, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah, And also like it's visual, it's something tactile you
pick up and move around, which like so you would
be ticking all these like sensory things as well as
a writer. Yeah, yeah, I look, I could talk to
you all day long about the behind the scenes of
life as a writer, and I do want to ask
you more questions about that. But I also loved that
(15:35):
you have simplified astrology in this book. And I think
as somebody that like leans toward that more junk food,
quick fixed astrology, I think it is because sometimes astrology
can almost feel like maths, like really mathematical and like
and then I'm like, my brain is like my creative
brain's like, bye, too hard title. So yeah, well, I
(15:59):
love that you've simplif and straight out of the gate
you simplify it. And even the way the book is structured,
you're like, there is going to be some technical stuff
in here. Then you're going to get all your juicy
signs stuff that you know that we all live for.
But even the really technical stuff, I was like, oh
my god, Like I really did feel like I was
learning stuff that I could implement, Like can I ask
(16:20):
you some questions that I learned from reading your book?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Oh my god, please? And sorry, I'm just going to
stop you before you continue. That means so much to
me that you said that, because it's very hard when
you know something and you've studied it for so long,
and you teach it to simplify it in a book
with so many words, and you just hope to God
that it is simple enough but not oversimplified, that they're
(16:46):
not actually getting the crux of what you're trying to teach.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
So I really really appreciate you saying that. That means
a lot.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Oh, mate, you can test any of your books on me.
I'll be in a Send that fiction one my way, mate,
I'll suck it. I always read fiction books with the
lens of what I could I say this is a
movie or TV show, because that's how I read it visually. Yeah,
I have to ask you. And I was going to
save this till the end or our hot seat, but
(17:14):
I'm so fascinated to hear what you think of It
ends with us Colleen Hoover movie adaptation.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
No, I haven't seen it, but you know I haven't
read it. I haven't read it because we've talked about
this and I'm happy to.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Proclaim it on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
I've got a real fucking gripe with love stories that
involve dark men. It's just like this trope that we
play over and over and over and over again. But
in saying that I've definitely fallen down the TikTok hole
of what is going on between Blake's Lively and Jason
Baldoni and I have my theories, but I'm not willing
(17:53):
to back them just yet off air.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
As soon as we stop recording, I want to hear
I have a whole set of theories as well. And
you are about to get hit with like, oh, I've
got another friend I'm sharing all of this with on
insight cycle tomorrow. I'll be like this this, look at this,
look at this. But back to you and your beautiful board. Okay,
So I had no idea that there were eight phases
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to the moon. Is this true?
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Oh? Yes, this is true.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah, And where the moon is can affect like our
energy levels, like how we're feeling. Is that also true?
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Absolutely? Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
So you probably most people are aware when the moon's
full and when the moon is new, which is halfway
through this, like that's the beginning of the cycle, and
then the full moon's halfway through, but then there's all
these phases in between new and full moon and then
full moon and new moon, and it's just that continuous cycle,
just like everything in the universe.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
And you've i know, you taught Matt this. But like,
there are certain things that you can do on new
moons versus full moons, like one's more about letting go
and one's about planting new ideas.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Is that correct? That's right?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
So we manifest, we set intentions on a new moon
and we release and we let go.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
We surrender.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
We think what might be blocking those intentions on the
full moon, let them go, so by the time the
new moon comes around again, there's space for those new
things to bloom.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Oh, I love this. Now here's I love this little
fun fact. And it was often if you're born around sunrise,
that can mean sometimes that your sun sign, so yours
is Gemini, and your ascending or rising sign will be matching.
Is that right? Right?
Speaker 2 (19:39):
So the rising sign or the ascendant sign is the
sign that was coming over the horizon when you were born.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Now, if you were born in.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
The sun rise, that means the sun was coming over
the horizon rising.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
So it's very likely or it is likely.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I feel confident saying that that your rising sign in
your sun sign will be the same sign. So I
was born at seven thirty in the morning in winter
in June, well in Australia, June, and so that's why
my son sign and my rising sign are both in Shamini.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah, it's so funny. I met someone the other day
because I teach a lot of yoga here and so
I'm always talking to yoga teachers, and I was this
this teacher walked in and we were always The first
question you ask usually somebody in LA is like, so,
what's your sign? What's yourn. She was like, ah, I'm Virgo,
she goes, I'm Virgo sun, Virgo moon. I was like, oh, same,
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and she's like, oh, we were probably born on a
new moon then, and I was like what and she's like, yeah,
if your sun and moon in alignment, it's new moon.
And that sounds like a similar philosophy to what you've
just said, but regarding the moon.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah, so when every time we have a new moon,
that means that the sun and the moon are sitting
at the same degree in the same sign, and when
we have a full moon, they're in opposing signs. So
a Virgo full moon would be when the sun is
in Pisces and.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
The moon is in Virgo. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
How fascinating. Yeah, very cool, Oh, very very like. I
was like when I read that, I was like, oh
my god, that's blowing my mind. Okay, so you've got
the way you describe it. You talk about the planets,
the signs, and the houses, and then you talk about
how like essentially, and please correct me, but like, the
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planets are kind of like the what, the signs are
kind of the how, and then the houses are the
ware or the setting.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yeah, So look, I guess like if people are like,
what are we talking about, the basis of the book
really is this idea that we have all twelve signs
in our natal chart, and even if you don't have
planets in those signs, those signs are still illuminating different
parts of your natal chart. And what's going to happen
is they're going to fall in different houses. So in
(21:58):
the beginning of the book, which is the chapter that
it Lola is talking about, I basically help you understand
how to read your own natal chart so that when
we get to the twelve signs that we dive into deeply,
you can figure out how you're going to apply the
energy of those signs to the different areas of your life,
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which is the houses. So, yeah, when we look at
a planet, we're looking at the function of that planet.
What what are we looking at in our lives when
we look at the sign. It's how it influences that
what that function. And then the houses, which is what
people really struggle with when it comes to astrology, tells
us or gives us an indication of the terrain of
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our life or the area of our life where that energy.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Is going to play out for us.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
You gave a good Margo Robbie example.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Oh yeah, did you like that? I don't know if
I remember it? Do you want to read it out?
Have you got it?
Speaker 1 (22:54):
It was this is going off memory, but it was
like essentially, your planet is like so if your life
is okay, so your planet is like Margo Robbie for you. Right,
So if you're okay, so Jordana is Margo Robbie, your
planet is Margo Robbie. Your hang on what I've losen
my track? Here we go. Your sign is the character
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that Margot Robbie is playing, like whether it be Harley
Quinn or Barbie's or.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Barbie very different. It's like, so whether you're Virgo or Sagittarius,
it's going to affect you very differently.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Margot Robbie is still the same.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Margot Robbie is still Venus, but let's use illuminary the sun.
Margot Robbie is still the Sun. But whether Margot Robbie
is Harley Quinn or Barbie is going to play out
very differently totally.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
And then the houses is essentially like, is she in
barbie Land or is she.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah, the set where the scene is set, So is
she in the Barbie House or Barbie Land or is
she in the real world? And when you put her
in the real world that Margot Robbie as Barbie plays
out very differently as Margo Robbie as Barbie in Barbieland
And look, I mean.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
That's that's a stretch.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
That's probably not what the teachers of astrology would teach you,
but it really helped me understand.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
It right totally. No, I love it. I think it's awesome.
And you mentioned natal chart and I know you've explained
this on this podcast before, but just to like break
it down. The good thing about this book is that
if no one has any idea what a natal chart is,
how to read, is it a birth chart? Is it
the same thing? Da da da da? You know, the
(24:38):
book does break it down from day like number one,
what is a natal chart? But can you just like
briefly summarize what a natal chart is fast because it
is also.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Called at right. Yeah, so Americans call it a birth chart.
You'll also hear it called an astrology chart. I call
it a natal chart. It's basically a snapshot of the
solo system at the moment of your birth. So this
is why time and location of birth is really important.
Location is going to change the size of your houses
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because they're based on the latitude and longitude of where
you were at that time. The time is going to
affect your ascendant sign, your rising sign, and the rising
sign determines the house placement as well. So this is
why it's really important that we say you've got to
know your birth time. You've got to know your location
of birth in order to have an accurate natal chart raading.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Without it, we.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Can't determine the houses, and the houses are going to
tell us where this all plays out.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
So they're really really important.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yeah, I love it's I think what I loved as
well is like natal chart, it can all get a
bit confusing, but I love the way you like completely
break down to the point of like, is it three
rings like the three yeah, can you explain them briefly?
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah, I mean it's hard.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
It's hard if you don't have a chart in front
of you. But most natal charts will have this same
or similar setting. The ones I've used in the book
are based on the astro goold charts that I use
astrogolds and app that anyone can download. It is paid,
but it's absolutely worth it if you're interested in astrology.
(26:20):
But basically, the middle the Yeah, the middle, the center
ring like the inner ring is where the houses, the
number of the houses are. The middle ring is where
the planets will sit in a natal chart, and then
the outer ring on the outside is where the signs sit.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
And it's really important that you can.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Identify where the signs sit in your chart because the
idea with this book is as the sun moves through
the signs, which is the seasons that we experience. We're
currently recording this in Leo season. I think it airs
in Virgo season. That's where the sun is and you
can learn a lot about yourself by tapping into that
(27:02):
energy when the sun is in that sign, and if
you know what house it's falling in, it's going to
tell you what part of your chart will be illuminated
during that season.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
That makes total sense and I love that we're recording
this kind for you. I think in Australia be the
last day of lions Gate Portal today. I think it
closes on the twelfth.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Yes it does.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Yeah, And I was like, this is good juju is
it not?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
No, I've had the wildest lions Gate portal. I've got
to say, have you Yeah, like in the best way.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah. Yeah, It's fascinating. It's so funny. Like right before
lines like literally right before lines Gate, I was like,
I'm a loser. Nothing is working my way, Like I
literally was like, I was like, felt like I was
just bashing my head against a brick wall. And then
the moment, like the energy flicked into lions Gate from nothing.
(27:55):
My phone started ringing like things out of the blue. Amazing,
the energy literally turned completely on its head. I think
I had to have that little like ego death letting
go period right before it though, in order to receive
and let all that new cool stuff come in. But
I was like, holy shit, can Linescape Portal stay open
(28:15):
a bit longer? Please?
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Well, you just got to keep working with the energies. Also,
I just want to say, Lola, something I've noticed in
my time, sort of anecdotally, is I always have a
really hard season right before my birthday season. Oh and
so you're currently in the pre season to Virgo season,
(28:39):
and yeah, it's interesting because it's the end of a cycle,
right because you're having your solar return when the sun
returns to the time of your birth during Virgo season,
so right before that, you're right at the end of
the current solar return for you.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Yeah, and then just keep getting good. Does it get
good in your season?
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Well, it's what else is going on in the chart,
But yeah, I think so. I always think your own
season is a really energizing time.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
For sure, it has to be for sure. But you
can see why a lot of people get really confronted
at birthdays as well, and like.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Around like I do.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yeah, whereas I'm like, oh, stay for celebrating me. There's
that sagy rising energy coming from. But I love the
way you talk about the three amigos and that being
the Sun, the moon and is sending on the rising
because to be honest, sometimes astrology can be a bit
(29:38):
like it's all a bit much, and if it feels
like some of those days I just want to like
tap in and learn a little bit. I'll always look
up Virgo because I'm Sun Moon Virgo, and then I'll
look up Saggy because I'm Saggy. You're sending, and I
can nearly always feel seen in both. But I find
my Sagy probably because being in La and we're in
like go go, Go chase dream mode. My Sagy really
(30:01):
like feels very very activated here because it's like the traveler.
They're exploring like new possibilities, and like all the control
and all of that of Virgo kind of has to go,
Like I have to work really hard to let that
pardon me go. But I guess what I'm trying to
say is like if you were just like dipping your
toe in or wanting to know a little bit more,
(30:23):
is like looking at that Sun Moon and as sending,
like a really nice place to start.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Absolutely, So, I don't know how many astrologers I'm going
to piss off by calling it the three Omegos because
I just thought that was fun. But traditionally we call
it the primal triad. It's the Sun, the Moon, the
rising sign. But yeah, I thought that the three Omegos
was more fun. Yeah, it's really important, and especially if
you're someone who's like.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Oh, I don't really connect with my son's sign. I
don't feel like a Taurus.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
There are so many reasons why you wouldn't, and this
is why it's really important to get a natal chart
rating if you're interested in astrology. But it might simply
be that you're connecting more with your moon sign or
that you're connecting more with your ascendant sign. A lot
of people do connect more with their ascendant sign because
it's the way they interact in the world, right, So
a lot of people are engaging with them as that sign,
(31:12):
and they're choosing to engage from the space of that sign.
So I think understanding all three of them together and
how they interact with each other is really really important,
and everything else is just an adornment, you know. From there,
we move out to our Mercury, Venus, and Mars, which
you're known as the personal planets. And once you've sort
(31:32):
of nailed the understanding of your three amigos, which is
the core of who you are, then we can start
to look at what's going on with those personal planets
the other planets. What we call the trans personal outer
planets Satin, Jupiter, Neptune, Urinus, and Pluto. They also add
to the chart in different ways, but they're not as
(31:52):
important in regards to the core of your personality, which
is what those three amigos are telling you.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
I love the way you look stick with three amigos,
my friend's cool. Yeah, it works and it makes it
makes such sense. I do also love the way that
you've written about the elements and how different signs can
fit into Like, you know, we hear the fire sign,
earth sign, water sign, air sign, and as I was
(32:19):
preparing for this, you being a Gemini, I was like,
I wonder where Gemini falls into that. But it's air, right, Yeah,
you're a big thinker that tracks. That tracks getting to
know you like but also like as a writer as well,
Like that's cerebral to me. Yeah, it's very cerebral. Yeah,
So do you find that like the because again, the
(32:39):
correlation of the elements with the signs it I think
it's a really nice and kind of like digestible way
to like unpack. When you meet someone in just like
chit chatting and and they're like, you know, I'm all aries,
and I'm like no shit, I can see that, you know,
(33:00):
or yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel when you meet someone
that's driven by fire or got a little spark that's
just regulated.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Right, it can tell you a lot about them. And
then we can also tell a lot about a person
from what elements they're lacking. So for example, I'm a
double Air with an Earth moon, I'm a Virgo moon. Yeah,
you're a double Earth with a fire rising. So for
both of us, we lack water, right, and so that's
(33:27):
something that we It's not to say that where the
water signs are quite emotional and sensitive and intuitive, it's
not to say when none of those things, because of
course we are human and we've had experiences and there's
other elements in the chart. But for both of us,
it's not innate for us to switch straight into the
emotional self. For me, it's about switching into the mind,
(33:50):
and for you it's about planning and strategizing and taking action.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Yeah, totally. If I am ever stressed, the only way
to get through it is to make plan, whether it
gets actioned or not. It's like I have to, it's
the only thing that will. I have to have a plan.
And where is Matt his moon is I believe it's
a cancer moon, and then he's rising a scorp and
he's like, you need to sit with it and feel
(34:16):
this with me, and I'm like, absolutely not, absolutely not.
I need to book in with my therapist. I need
to make a plan. I need to do that, and
I have to have an action list. And obviously I
usually forfeit and end up sitting with him and then
making the plan and it works out that I probably
should feel because I'm probably lacking the water. But it
is fascinating. And as I was preparing for this, I
(34:37):
was reading about cancer knowing that it's Matt, my partner's moon,
and I was like, oh, so it seems like you
might be a bit more nurturing than me. And he's like,
no shit. And Georgianah will know this. You've come over
dinner many a time and it's I'm never cooking, it's
always Matt. He's like the care, the nertre is. It's
(35:00):
just so fascinating. It's beautiful, like when you do unpack it,
especially with people that you love and have in your
world and reading your book and then kind of like
looking up and seeing the actual physical like traits in
people it's really not. It's just an I'm excited to
like to read more and to like let what I'm
(35:23):
learning from reading your book kind of like seep into
real life, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
And that's kind of what I wanted people to get
out of it. There's ways that we can understand ourselves
ourselves through all twelve of those signs. There will be
parts of those signs that you connect with, and if
you don't, if you're rejecting the qualities of that sign,
that's also telling you something about yourself, right. And then
(35:49):
on top of that, we get this really beautiful insight
into the people around us and perhaps a little bit
more compassionate and understanding for what we might deem as
their weakness or they're you know, quick to fire approaches
to things or whatever it might be right, or being
overly emotional. Like I've got a friend who has a
(36:10):
lot of water, a lot of water, And before I
knew that about her, I was just like, why does
she take everything so personally? Why does she get upset
over everything? Like it used to drive me insane? But
then now I just have compassion for her, and I'm
extra sensitive when I'm broaching a topic with her, or
when we're talking about something knowing that she's feeling it
(36:33):
deeply where I'm processing it cerebrally. It's very different experience completely.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
So oh, I love it. I love this. I also
love the way you talk about the mutable signs the
fixed and is it cardinal?
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Yeah, well done, Look at you. You just like an
astrology buff Now, well.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Thanks to heye times, go out and get all signs
point to you available officially tomorrow. But I I love
it because also, like when you break down those three differences,
they track really Yeah. And you and I, Yeah, we're mutables.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
We're all mutables. Yeah, yeah, which.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Is true for us, right Like you and I have
pivoted so much. We're so adaptable. We can change whenever
we need to, and we're quite fluid. Even though there's
rigidity to the virgo placements that we both have and
we like to plan and structure and organize, there is
fluidity in that. And I think we can look to
(37:36):
all of the modes we call them to find out
again where your strengths are and then perhaps where there
are weaknesses or laziness or complacency within the way you
move through the world.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Yeah, and just on those street are they linked to
the times in the season. Is that happen? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Yeah, I mean most things in astrology sort of work
like that. But the cardinal signs begin the season. So
when we say the season, I don't mean each individual season.
I mean the like solstice and the equinoxes, which are
the official weather seasons.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Or what would we call them weather seasons?
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Yeah, yeah, the weather seasons to me, yeah yeah, and
all the times of year's season, the summer, autumns, yeah, winter, yes,
I don't.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Know why that's failing me right now.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
I would call it a season for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
So those so the summer solstice, the winter solstice, the
spring equinox, and the autumn equinox will all fall on
the cardinal signs, right. It's different for the northern and
southern hemisphere. So I'm not going to list them out
now because it's going to get very confusing for everyone.
But that's pretty much standard. And knowing that they begin
a season that they start, it tells us a lot
about the cardinal signs. Their initiators. They're leaders, they're pioneers,
(38:55):
they get things going right. Then we've got the fixed
signs and The fixed signs are Taurus, Scorpio, Leo, and Aquarius,
and they're a little bit more stubborn, they're a little
bit more in their ways, but they're also quite enduring.
They're also get things done because they will stick it
out right. And then we've got the mutable signs, which
are adaptable and fluid and versatile and all those times.
(39:19):
But sometimes it means they don't stick to the things
they're trying to do because they're onto the next thing.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Yeah, we're like a new idea. So it makes total
sense to me you being so mutable that you are
also now writing fiction because this is kind of you. Yeah,
you've sat in this personal development kind of space has
been the majority of your career, I would say, as
an author, So can you give me a little update
(39:47):
because I know that you writing fiction is like a
big passion of yours And yeah, I feel like I've
been lucky enough to know a little bit about it.
And I can see your post it notes stuck behind
you that I believe used to be to that I'm
pretty sure when I used to see they will into
your that's your fiction book, is it not?
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Yeah, this is my fiction book, and no one can
see it.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
But these posters used to be very bright, and now
they've been up here for so long with the sun
beaming on them that they're losing their color.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
I've been writing the fiction now for it's pushing three years,
which is just really bad. I don't have to say
I have not been writing it full time because I
wrote another book in between, and I'm running courses and
doing the podcast. But yes, I'm returning to that fiction.
I now have the support that I need behind me
to do that. And although it is again going to
(40:41):
be an enjoyable, fun read, it's quite a heavy topic
and so I've really just been taking my time to
be quite delicate with it. I don't want to rush it,
and I want to give it the reverence it needs
to make the impact I want it to make on people.
(41:02):
But yeah, very different process. I was just at the
Byron Writers Festival over the weekend. Have you ever been
to Byron?
Speaker 1 (41:09):
I have, but I love watching a bit of it
on your stories. I think you posted about it.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
It was incredible, like it was just a bunch of
very successful authors. Candice Fox was there actually, and she
was hilarious. Oh my god, she's so funny.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
So funny. Love her, so whenever I missed the Australian accent,
I go back and listen to the episode where I
interviewed her, because her accent is my favorite Ossie accent.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
I have to go and listen to that episode now,
because honestly, she was so engaging. It was a lecture
on writing crime and it was her Jane Harper that
wrote The Dry and an Indigenous author who writes, I've
got to read these books as well. She writes a
police procedural set in the Northern Rivers. It's got this
main character, Kate Miller, and there's three in the series,
(41:54):
so I really want to read that as well.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
But where was I going with this?
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Oh, I'm sitting in the audience listening to these prolific
fiction writers feeling like such an impostor, you know, like
there's something about fiction that just feels next level. And
I guess it's part of the storytelling. I guess it's
part of character development and hoping at the same time
(42:21):
that people are not only engaged by the plot, but
they're actually taking something away from the narrative as well.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Just feels like a lot of pressure. Anyway, Hopefully I
can I agree.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
With you, though I totally agree. I think fiction, I
would argue it's harder than nonfiction to write because you're
doing story theory. You know, you've got each depending on
how many characters, depending on what characters POV we the
reader are living through. Like Candice Fox has written where
(42:53):
she's got one like main POV and then you've got
other She's written some books where there's like eight different
POV like is and when we say PV like point
of view, so you the listen, that's not the Well, yes,
you're the listener, but when you the listener are reading
a book, you're reading it through different characters like viewpoints,
and so it is so whereas the book that I
(43:16):
was just talking to about the start It ends with Us,
that is now a massive movie that is all written
through Lily Blooms POV, which is who Blake Lively plays,
and you're seeing it through that person's POV view POV
the whole time, and the movie does the same thing
until one turning, but but mainly it is completely through
(43:36):
one character's viewpoints. So I imagine like as a fiction writer,
it is almost like it would feel like a whole
not even a different genre, it would feel like a
completely different You'd you'd be putting on a different cap
that day, you know, like it'd be a different Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Yeah, I mean I've written it in first person, which
is the same voice I would use for nonfiction. So
in that regard it's been quite good. But you're limited
when it's through the protagonists point of view because you
can only tell the story when they're there and what
they see and what they know, and that limits the
development of the other characters and the plot when they're
(44:19):
not in the scene. So yeah, look, it's been a
lot to work with. The main feedback I've gotten is
the plot is great. Everything's working really well. There was
just a few moments when my publisher was like, these
characters are too likable. I was like, Okay, I get it.
You know, you want everyone to be.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
Liked, but that's not how storytelling works. So it's is, yeah,
rough it up a bit.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Wow. Well, I'm excited. I'm so flip and pump for you.
I'm really excited for you for this book. So what
happens next? Like I've asked you a lot about the
behind the scenes. Are you doing a little bit of
a press tour or are you how what's the vibe
like straining now with books? Is it all online or
is it.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
It's not great the vibe when it comes to books
in Australia.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
I got to say I will be.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Having a launch in my hometown of Barron Bay, which
will be really nice because I didn't launch.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
The last book.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
My last book came out right in the middle of
the Lismore floods. It was not a time to be celebrating,
and so I feel like I can give some energy
to this book that I wasn't able to give to
the last one, So that'll be really nice. And then
I focus really on podcasts because I just feel like there,
you know, when we're in this sort of format, Lola,
(45:35):
where you can really dive deep into a book, there's
so much more value in it for the listener than
if you're doing a talk in a bookstore or a
book signing or a magazine article or you know what
I mean. I think this is the best way for
people to really engage with the content. And also it's
my it's my strong suit talking. I think, oh, pods
(45:57):
are the best.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
Pods are the best track out the rest With podcasting,
I could do it till the yeah ours come home. Yeah,
best thing ever. Well, I'm so pumped for you. To
the listener. The book is officially available tomorrow. Am I
saying that correct?
Speaker 3 (46:12):
Or done in Australia?
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (46:14):
So, I just want to be really clear. The book
is available in Australia from August twenty seven. If you
are an international listener at this stage, you can only
order it through Australia, which means the shipping is a
little bit more expensive. I'll give a link to Lola,
but the shipping at this particular bookstore is the cheapest
(46:34):
I could find. To the States. I just need to
secure that US book deal.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Yeah, let's manifest that, mate, Yeah, use your other book
to manifest it.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
Right with my books combined?
Speaker 1 (46:50):
Absolutely? Absolutely. And my final question is back to anyone
that's listening that might be an aspiring writer, what advice
would you have for them if if they've got like
they have that moment that you had on the plane
trip back from Spain and they're like, oh, I've got
this idea, And they may not be an author or
(47:11):
have a relationship with a publicist like you do you
know what I mean? They might just be like Oh,
I've got this kind of dream. I don't know what
to do. What advice would you have for someone that
might want to write.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
Well, the first thing I would do is I would
get really clear on what the idea is and what
is currently available, and if there's two ways we look
at it, what are the comparable titles to A prove
that books like this cell, but b that you're offering
something that isn't currently out there. Now there's a very
fine line there because you want to do something new
(47:45):
and original, but we also have to prove to a
publisher that the genre or the subject or the angle cells.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
It's hard.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
So I would start there, have a look what's already
out there. Then I would put to gather a really
really thorough structure for the book, for you more so
than the publisher, just so you can convince yourself that
you know that there's an entire book in you, not
just an idea that you could probably flesh out, you know,
in five pages. And then it's about putting a really
(48:17):
strong proposal together. Now, every publisher in Australia has specific
proposal guidelines, so I recommend hopping on the websites of
the publishers that you're interested in and going through the
guidelines for submissions and following them to a t and
then just submit.
Speaker 3 (48:34):
I mean, it's the best thing you can do.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
We always say in Australia, like it's really important that
you have a public profile that is going to help
you get ahead with a publisher. But in saying that,
if you've got a really good idea and a solid delivery,
then the profile isn't the be all and end all.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
It's just, yeah, it's an add on because they know
you'll hit eyeballs essentially. But like if you bought an
a good publicist that could get you on the pods
and could get you good interviews, you know there are
ways around it. I'd say, you know, absolutely, thank you,
my friend. It's been an honor to have you on
the pod. Stick around because I'm going to record a
(49:14):
hot Seat with you. But thank you. Giordana. Your book
is officially as of tomorrow out now. All signs point
to you in Australia. If not, if you're an Americana listener,
you're in the UK or anywhere else in the world,
there's going to be a link in the show notes
that you the listener can go and grab a cop
(49:35):
and it's a beautiful cover too. You must be so wrapped.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
Oh thank you, yeah I am, And thank you so
much for having me on again, Lawla.
Speaker 3 (49:42):
It's been a treat.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
I'm sure we'll do it all over again very soon,
my friend. This is fourth, fifth one. Next We'll be right.
But thank you, thank you. You are absolutely wonderful. That's
a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always,
thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation
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all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail.
Hello Potter Rooney Fambam. Today we have returning guests jumping
on the pod all the way from Australia. Beautiful Byron Bay, Australia.
Might I add it is Jordana Levigne and you would
(00:47):
know her from well from this pod. She's been on loads.
I always get her to jump on at the start
of the year to talk all things astrology. And how
exciting that she now has a book all about us
astrology that is officially out in Australia tomorrow. So it's
called All Signs Point to You Unlock your Potential with
(01:08):
the Wisdom of Astrology. I've read the book. It's kind
of broken down into two parts. It's really easy to digest.
It's so fun to learn about your sign, your moon sign,
your rising sign, your partner's rising sign, or your mates.
It is really fun, really easy to understand. And I
don't know about you, but I sometimes find astrology a
(01:30):
little bit overwhelming and mathematical when you get into the
knitty gritty of it and you're starting to talk about
house placements and you're looking at the natal chart, which
is also your birth chart, and it's just an interchangeable name,
I believe, but you're looking at it and you're like,
holy smokes, this all feels like a really hard core
(01:51):
pythagorous math equation. It's not, and that well it is,
but you're donea makes it really simple to digest. So
I hope you love this episode. We break down astrology,
we break down the book, but again, if you're in Australia,
also in the show notes if you're in America or
somewhere else, Jordana has given me the link so that
(02:11):
we can buy it all over the world. So how
good Jordana. Congrats. I'm so excited to see this book flight.
It's got a beautiful cover on it. And to you
the listener, I hope you love this app. You know,
I love all things woo woo an astrology and like
all this kind of like spiritual health and personal development space.
So I hope you love this app. Geordana, thank you
(02:33):
so much for jumping on the pod. It's always a
pleasure to have you on. Fearless sleep failing right o,
gang hooru, big love, Hello, welcome back to the pod.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Hello, Geordana, thank you, and welcome back to your life.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
I haven't seen you in I know.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
I was going to start this by saying, can I
have a Byron Bay update? But you just gave Matt
and I one on the Yeah, it looks rainy out
a good one.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah, we're having we're having apocalyptic rain today, but you
know how Byron works, the sun will be out in
an hour, so it's nothing to stressful.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Well, I've got to say your background there is giving
rainforest jungle vibes, and it's actually giving writers retreat because
I know you've got your post it notes on one side.
I'm loving this kind of I'm loving this kind of
vibe for you. I don't know, I think it's beautiful.
Oh my god, thank you so much. This is your
fourth time on the pod, is it not?
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (03:32):
I've had you on talking about I want to say,
make it happen? Would that be right.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
I know.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I think our first one was higher love. Oh yeah,
make it happen in higher love together. Then then you
came on and then we astrology are extraordinary twice.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yeah two astrology.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah, so it is it and oh my god, I
feel so Now we've got a meshing of both the
worlds where.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
You've written that's about astrology, and here we are talking
about it. So, first of all, congrats. How do you feel?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
I feel really great, And I have to be honest
with you, I don't always feel really great when a
book is coming out. It's very scary, but this book
feels different. I'm so excited about it, and I just
I don't know. I feel it's the book that people need.
(04:27):
And I've already sound like I'm trying to sell myself,
but I really think it's a book that people need,
and I wrote it because it doesn't exist on the
bookshelves right now.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Well, I have been powering through the digital version, and
you know me, I love a tactile copy, but that's
just because I love you. And it's not officially out yet,
but it's been such a fun read. I'm already a
bit of an astrology. Well, I found out after reading
your book that I love the term that you talk
about junk food astrology. I'm that I watch tiktoks on
(04:58):
my rising ascending some I am the personal watch every
single TikTok there is about Lionsgate Portal or what's going
on for the month of a month we're about to
go into. But I like the way straight out of
the gate you call that junk food astrology. Can you
break that down and explain it a bit to us. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
First of all, I want to say that I love
junk food, so there is nothing wrong with consuming junk
food astrology. But I kind of use the analogy, you know,
the shareable memes that we share with our friends and
that we feel like we get so much insight into
astrology from whether it's TikTok or Instagram or reading your
horoscopes in magazines. They're what we call junk food astrology
(05:41):
because they're just giving you a little taste, a little tidbit,
a little bit of satiation. But they're not the heart
of astrology. And that's not to say that you shouldn't
take part in it because it's fun and I do it,
but it's having the awareness that true astrology. The kind
of astrology it can actually help you and nourish you
(06:02):
and expand you. Is what I like to call whole
food astrology, which is a really holistic view of it
and if we consume it, well, a really really expansive
way of looking at personal development and your own growth.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yeah, I love it. I love the way you reference
Carl Jung a few times in the book as well,
and I was like, oh, I didn't. I'd never put
two together.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
I don't want to take credit for that. That is
a very common thing in astrology. A lot of Carl
Jung's work is attached to what we call psychological astrology.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yeah, you did credit that beautifully, I will say. But
can we talk about the book so it's called all
Signs Point to You. Can you take me back to
when you I'm assuming because I guess I have a
bit of a sneaky insight into this being your friend,
But yes, I know you weren't necessarily planning on writing
this book. You kind of like got a call from
(06:56):
your publisher being like, hey, your pod because you had
have Lunar Lover pod that's almost at three hundred episodes
now with a huge following and So was that kind
of what did your publisher go? You know what, you're
podsurally popular, you're passionate about this topic. Could you write
a book about this topic? No?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Well, hang on, she didn't not say that. But I
was writing a fiction book, which I'm still writing. And
I had been on holidays in Spain and I was
with a girlfriend over there who I haven't seen in ages,
and we were talking about astrology quite in depth, and
I was taking her through her natal chart. Anyway, I
(07:37):
was on the plane on the way home and I
just got this like download or dump of an idea
around turning a personal development book or turning an astrology
book into a personal development book, because the astrology books
that exist are are a lot of information, they're quite
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and they're really hard to apply in a practical way
to your own life, which is how I approach every
book I write, Like, what's the point in the knowledge
if you can't integrate it and embody it and.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Put it into practice?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Right?
Speaker 3 (08:14):
So I had this idea and I thought, oh God,
I don't really have.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Time to write another book. I'm trying to write this
one I'm writing now. But I called my publisher and
I said what do you think? And she is a
fan of astrology, and she she was like, look, I've
wanted to do an astrology book for so long, but
classically astrology books don't sell well.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
And when she said that, I got it.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
I get it because I am a student of astrology,
I practice astrology, I teach astrology, and I would agree
the books don't sell well because they're not exciting, they're
not fun. So we decided that this was a good
idea if I could inject some fun and personality into it.
And I feel like I've managed to toe the line
(08:59):
between the fun side of junk food astrology, which we
love and we live for, but also really injecting the
tradition and the wisdom of astrology into it and trying
to kind of explain why those tropes and those stereotypes
that we're so used to reading about actually exist, where
that comes from, and then how you can practically apply
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that to your own life. Oh.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I love it. I literally thought you must have got
some call being like Georgiana, we've got to get you
doing that. But I love that it came to you
at the end of a trip and you were like,
hang on, this is a really cool idea. So once
you kind of got that idea across the line with
your publisher, then what happened next? Was it? Because I
know you and I are both quite organismic. I feel
(09:46):
like we're both pretty organized writers. I would describe it
love a plan, love a love plan. Yes, So, like,
what was the process for you? Because I'd love to
give the listeners a little behind the scenes of the
life of a writer. And I know that you teach
you do writing courses as well. So what happened next
when you kind of got this green light? What was
(10:08):
the next step? Well?
Speaker 2 (10:09):
I do this with all my books, even before I
pitch it, well, haven't I formally pitch it, like I
pitched it vocally, But before I formally pitched it in
a proposal, I always do like a really really detailed
structure of the book. And I don't do that so
much for the publisher. I do it to convince myself
(10:29):
I know where this book's going and that I can.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Actually write it.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Because if I pitch something but I haven't actually planned
it out, there's this moment of oh my god, what
the fuck?
Speaker 3 (10:39):
What if this doesn't actually work?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
When you start to kind of put pen to paper
or you know, finger to keyboard, and so yeah, I
plan everything out. I get as detailed as I can.
This book, in particular was quite easy because every chapter
on a Sign follows the same struction. There's a bunch
of subheadings, which makes it very easy for my brain
(11:05):
to sort of compartmentalize how everything's going to kind of
play out within the book. And when it comes to
the writing process, when you've already got those subheads ready
to go, you can write in chunks and really feel
like you've accomplished something. And I just think when you
can tick boxes like that as a writer, you know,
(11:26):
it's so hard to feel accomplished day to day because
it's so standard that you're going to get writer's block
or you're just going to have a day when you're
not feeling particularly creative. But when you can knock off
chunks like that under short subheads, you well, I find
for me anyway that I can move through a manuscript
a lot faster.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
I have to ask you, because I've witnessed you do
this in real life in person. Sometimes I'll go to
polarates when I'm back in Yrm. I'll be like, I'm
just going to whip around the corner and grab a coffee.
And you are sitting there with your laptop at a
cafe writing and sometimes you don't have headphones in, and
I'm like, and I know you're working on a manuscript.
I'm like, how the F is this human being? Maybe
(12:07):
because I'm like super, I'm quite like I get sound
pollution is a thing that I can't handle, Like I
have to have noise canceling headphones on whenever I write,
and a very specific type of music when I write. Like,
is it just for you to like get out of
your like where you write at home?
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Is that like something that you practice. I am exactly
the same as you. I cannot write in public. So
if you see me with my laptop in a cafe,
I'm likely editing or reviewing or reading what I wrote
the day before. I am not writing, trust me. I
need silence. Like I've got traffic outside my house. Not
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a lot of traffic, not like beeping, not like middle
of New York City traffic, but just cars driving by.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
And that's enough to distract me. So yeah, no, I'm
the same.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
I am.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Noise canceling headphones, you know, eyes down, no distractions.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Oh, Okay, well that's music to myrgo is Yeah, I
have to ask and this is a bit hippie, but
I feel like I can ask it to you because
we are talking all things astrology today. Do you have
a writing ritual, Like do you like, because I know
you're a morning writer often, like is it like you
make your morning coffee and then you sit down, No,
(13:23):
You've got your beautiful cat with you know, Like, is
there anything that you like to do that's like part
of a ritual for you? Like I prefer I'm a
morning writer, but sometimes, like you're probably the same things
will come to you at night and you're like, oh
my god, I've just got to like get this down.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Yeah. I do the bulk of my writing in the morning,
for sure.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
I Yeah, I usually have my coffee and actually hop
back into bed, And some of the writing that I
do from bed with my coffee, which feels like I
haven't formally started writing for the day, is some of
my best work. I also really try and look, I'm
not religious with but I do try and do a
(14:04):
writing guided meditation which I actually wrote for myself, and
I take myself through it with my own voice.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Maybe a little bit narcissistic, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
And it just helps me connect with the intention of
bringing through exactly the words that need to be written
today and not really attaching to word count or outcome,
just really knowing what the intention is for that day.
I find that really really helpful. And then the other
thing is I make sure I'm not writing for more
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than two hours at a time, like getting up, moving around,
having some food, going outside, going for a walk. That's
all really really important to me. But I also have
to have the structure. So I've got people listening, can't say,
but I'll show show, Lola.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
I've got a.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
What do we call this hourglass?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Hour glass? Yeah, it's like a satin timer. It's it's
a thirty minute hour glass. So if I haven't done
to a two hour slot, I turn this over and go, okay,
at least right for the next thirty minutes.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
And there's something.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Poetic about an hour glass rather than the timer on
your phone, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah, And also like it's visual, it's something tactile you
pick up and move around, which like so you would
be ticking all these like sensory things as well as
a writer. Yeah, yeah, I look, I could talk to
you all day long about the behind the scenes of
life as a writer, and I do want to ask
you more questions about that. But I also loved that
(15:35):
you have simplified astrology in this book. And I think
as somebody that like leans toward that more junk food,
quick fixed astrology, I think it is because sometimes astrology
can almost feel like maths, like really mathematical and like
and then I'm like, my brain is like my creative
brain's like, bye, too hard title. So yeah, well, I
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love that you've simplif and straight out of the gate
you simplify it. And even the way the book is structured,
you're like, there is going to be some technical stuff
in here. Then you're going to get all your juicy
signs stuff that you know that we all live for.
But even the really technical stuff, I was like, oh
my god, Like I really did feel like I was
learning stuff that I could implement, Like can I ask
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you some questions that I learned from reading your book?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Oh my god, please? And sorry, I'm just going to
stop you before you continue. That means so much to
me that you said that, because it's very hard when
you know something and you've studied it for so long,
and you teach it to simplify it in a book
with so many words, and you just hope to God
that it is simple enough but not oversimplified, that they're
(16:46):
not actually getting the crux of what you're trying to teach.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
So I really really appreciate you saying that. That means
a lot.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Oh, mate, you can test any of your books on me.
I'll be in a Send that fiction one my way, mate,
I'll suck it. I always read fiction books with the
lens of what I could I say this is a
movie or TV show, because that's how I read it visually. Yeah,
I have to ask you. And I was going to
save this till the end or our hot seat, but
(17:14):
I'm so fascinated to hear what you think of It
ends with us Colleen Hoover movie adaptation.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
No, I haven't seen it, but you know I haven't
read it. I haven't read it because we've talked about
this and I'm happy to.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Proclaim it on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
I've got a real fucking gripe with love stories that
involve dark men. It's just like this trope that we
play over and over and over and over again. But
in saying that I've definitely fallen down the TikTok hole
of what is going on between Blake's Lively and Jason
Baldoni and I have my theories, but I'm not willing
(17:53):
to back them just yet off air.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
As soon as we stop recording, I want to hear
I have a whole set of theories as well. And
you are about to get hit with like, oh, I've
got another friend I'm sharing all of this with on
insight cycle tomorrow. I'll be like this this, look at this,
look at this. But back to you and your beautiful board. Okay,
So I had no idea that there were eight phases
(18:17):
to the moon. Is this true?
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Oh? Yes, this is true.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah, And where the moon is can affect like our
energy levels, like how we're feeling. Is that also true?
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Absolutely? Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
So you probably most people are aware when the moon's
full and when the moon is new, which is halfway
through this, like that's the beginning of the cycle, and
then the full moon's halfway through, but then there's all
these phases in between new and full moon and then
full moon and new moon, and it's just that continuous cycle,
just like everything in the universe.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
And you've i know, you taught Matt this. But like,
there are certain things that you can do on new
moons versus full moons, like one's more about letting go
and one's about planting new ideas.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Is that correct? That's right?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
So we manifest, we set intentions on a new moon
and we release and we let go.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
We surrender.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
We think what might be blocking those intentions on the
full moon, let them go, so by the time the
new moon comes around again, there's space for those new
things to bloom.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Oh, I love this. Now here's I love this little
fun fact. And it was often if you're born around sunrise,
that can mean sometimes that your sun sign, so yours
is Gemini, and your ascending or rising sign will be matching.
Is that right? Right?
Speaker 2 (19:39):
So the rising sign or the ascendant sign is the
sign that was coming over the horizon when you were born.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Now, if you were born in.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
The sun rise, that means the sun was coming over
the horizon rising.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
So it's very likely or it is likely.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I feel confident saying that that your rising sign in
your sun sign will be the same sign. So I
was born at seven thirty in the morning in winter
in June, well in Australia, June, and so that's why
my son sign and my rising sign are both in Shamini.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah, it's so funny. I met someone the other day
because I teach a lot of yoga here and so
I'm always talking to yoga teachers, and I was this
this teacher walked in and we were always The first
question you ask usually somebody in LA is like, so,
what's your sign? What's yourn. She was like, ah, I'm Virgo,
she goes, I'm Virgo sun, Virgo moon. I was like, oh, same,
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and she's like, oh, we were probably born on a
new moon then, and I was like what and she's like, yeah,
if your sun and moon in alignment, it's new moon.
And that sounds like a similar philosophy to what you've
just said, but regarding the moon.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah, so when every time we have a new moon,
that means that the sun and the moon are sitting
at the same degree in the same sign, and when
we have a full moon, they're in opposing signs. So
a Virgo full moon would be when the sun is
in Pisces and.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
The moon is in Virgo. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
How fascinating. Yeah, very cool, Oh, very very like. I
was like when I read that, I was like, oh
my god, that's blowing my mind. Okay, so you've got
the way you describe it. You talk about the planets,
the signs, and the houses, and then you talk about
how like essentially, and please correct me, but like, the
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planets are kind of like the what, the signs are
kind of the how, and then the houses are the
ware or the setting.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yeah, So look, I guess like if people are like,
what are we talking about, the basis of the book
really is this idea that we have all twelve signs
in our natal chart, and even if you don't have
planets in those signs, those signs are still illuminating different
parts of your natal chart. And what's going to happen
is they're going to fall in different houses. So in
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the beginning of the book, which is the chapter that
it Lola is talking about, I basically help you understand
how to read your own natal chart so that when
we get to the twelve signs that we dive into deeply,
you can figure out how you're going to apply the
energy of those signs to the different areas of your life,
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which is the houses. So, yeah, when we look at
a planet, we're looking at the function of that planet.
What what are we looking at in our lives when
we look at the sign. It's how it influences that
what that function. And then the houses, which is what
people really struggle with when it comes to astrology, tells
us or gives us an indication of the terrain of
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our life or the area of our life where that energy.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Is going to play out for us.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
You gave a good Margo Robbie example.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Oh yeah, did you like that? I don't know if
I remember it? Do you want to read it out?
Have you got it?
Speaker 1 (22:54):
It was this is going off memory, but it was
like essentially, your planet is like so if your life
is okay, so your planet is like Margo Robbie for you. Right,
So if you're okay, so Jordana is Margo Robbie, your
planet is Margo Robbie. Your hang on what I've losen
my track? Here we go. Your sign is the character
(23:16):
that Margot Robbie is playing, like whether it be Harley
Quinn or Barbie's or.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Barbie very different. It's like, so whether you're Virgo or Sagittarius,
it's going to affect you very differently.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Margot Robbie is still the same.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Margot Robbie is still Venus, but let's use illuminary the sun.
Margot Robbie is still the Sun. But whether Margot Robbie
is Harley Quinn or Barbie is going to play out
very differently totally.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
And then the houses is essentially like, is she in
barbie Land or is she.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah, the set where the scene is set, So is
she in the Barbie House or Barbie Land or is
she in the real world? And when you put her
in the real world that Margot Robbie as Barbie plays
out very differently as Margo Robbie as Barbie in Barbieland
And look, I mean.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
That's that's a stretch.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
That's probably not what the teachers of astrology would teach you,
but it really helped me understand.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
It right totally. No, I love it. I think it's awesome.
And you mentioned natal chart and I know you've explained
this on this podcast before, but just to like break
it down. The good thing about this book is that
if no one has any idea what a natal chart is,
how to read, is it a birth chart? Is it
the same thing? Da da da da? You know, the
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book does break it down from day like number one,
what is a natal chart? But can you just like
briefly summarize what a natal chart is fast because it
is also.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Called at right. Yeah, so Americans call it a birth chart.
You'll also hear it called an astrology chart. I call
it a natal chart. It's basically a snapshot of the
solo system at the moment of your birth. So this
is why time and location of birth is really important.
Location is going to change the size of your houses
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because they're based on the latitude and longitude of where
you were at that time. The time is going to
affect your ascendant sign, your rising sign, and the rising
sign determines the house placement as well. So this is
why it's really important that we say you've got to
know your birth time. You've got to know your location
of birth in order to have an accurate natal chart raading.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Without it, we.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Can't determine the houses, and the houses are going to
tell us where this all plays out.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
So they're really really important.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yeah, I love it's I think what I loved as
well is like natal chart, it can all get a
bit confusing, but I love the way you like completely
break down to the point of like, is it three
rings like the three yeah, can you explain them briefly?
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah, I mean it's hard.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
It's hard if you don't have a chart in front
of you. But most natal charts will have this same
or similar setting. The ones I've used in the book
are based on the astro goold charts that I use
astrogolds and app that anyone can download. It is paid,
but it's absolutely worth it if you're interested in astrology.
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But basically, the middle the Yeah, the middle, the center
ring like the inner ring is where the houses, the
number of the houses are. The middle ring is where
the planets will sit in a natal chart, and then
the outer ring on the outside is where the signs sit.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
And it's really important that you can.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Identify where the signs sit in your chart because the
idea with this book is as the sun moves through
the signs, which is the seasons that we experience. We're
currently recording this in Leo season. I think it airs
in Virgo season. That's where the sun is and you
can learn a lot about yourself by tapping into that
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energy when the sun is in that sign, and if
you know what house it's falling in, it's going to
tell you what part of your chart will be illuminated
during that season.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
That makes total sense and I love that we're recording
this kind for you. I think in Australia be the
last day of lions Gate Portal today. I think it
closes on the twelfth.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Yes it does.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Yeah, And I was like, this is good juju is
it not?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
No, I've had the wildest lions Gate portal. I've got
to say, have you Yeah, like in the best way.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah. Yeah, It's fascinating. It's so funny. Like right before
lines like literally right before lines Gate, I was like,
I'm a loser. Nothing is working my way, Like I
literally was like, I was like, felt like I was
just bashing my head against a brick wall. And then
the moment, like the energy flicked into lions Gate from nothing.
(27:55):
My phone started ringing like things out of the blue. Amazing,
the energy literally turned completely on its head. I think
I had to have that little like ego death letting
go period right before it though, in order to receive
and let all that new cool stuff come in. But
I was like, holy shit, can Linescape Portal stay open
(28:15):
a bit longer? Please?
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Well, you just got to keep working with the energies. Also,
I just want to say, Lola, something I've noticed in
my time, sort of anecdotally, is I always have a
really hard season right before my birthday season. Oh and
so you're currently in the pre season to Virgo season,
(28:39):
and yeah, it's interesting because it's the end of a cycle,
right because you're having your solar return when the sun
returns to the time of your birth during Virgo season,
so right before that, you're right at the end of
the current solar return for you.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Yeah, and then just keep getting good. Does it get
good in your season?
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Well, it's what else is going on in the chart,
But yeah, I think so. I always think your own
season is a really energizing time.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
For sure, it has to be for sure. But you
can see why a lot of people get really confronted
at birthdays as well, and like.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Around like I do.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yeah, whereas I'm like, oh, stay for celebrating me. There's
that sagy rising energy coming from. But I love the
way you talk about the three amigos and that being
the Sun, the moon and is sending on the rising
because to be honest, sometimes astrology can be a bit
(29:38):
like it's all a bit much, and if it feels
like some of those days I just want to like
tap in and learn a little bit. I'll always look
up Virgo because I'm Sun Moon Virgo, and then I'll
look up Saggy because I'm Saggy. You're sending, and I
can nearly always feel seen in both. But I find
my Sagy probably because being in La and we're in
like go go, Go chase dream mode. My Sagy really
(30:01):
like feels very very activated here because it's like the traveler.
They're exploring like new possibilities, and like all the control
and all of that of Virgo kind of has to go,
Like I have to work really hard to let that
pardon me go. But I guess what I'm trying to
say is like if you were just like dipping your
toe in or wanting to know a little bit more,
(30:23):
is like looking at that Sun Moon and as sending,
like a really nice place to start.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Absolutely, So, I don't know how many astrologers I'm going
to piss off by calling it the three Omegos because
I just thought that was fun. But traditionally we call
it the primal triad. It's the Sun, the Moon, the
rising sign. But yeah, I thought that the three Omegos
was more fun. Yeah, it's really important, and especially if
you're someone who's like.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Oh, I don't really connect with my son's sign. I
don't feel like a Taurus.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
There are so many reasons why you wouldn't, and this
is why it's really important to get a natal chart
rating if you're interested in astrology. But it might simply
be that you're connecting more with your moon sign or
that you're connecting more with your ascendant sign. A lot
of people do connect more with their ascendant sign because
it's the way they interact in the world, right, So
a lot of people are engaging with them as that sign,
(31:12):
and they're choosing to engage from the space of that sign.
So I think understanding all three of them together and
how they interact with each other is really really important,
and everything else is just an adornment, you know. From there,
we move out to our Mercury, Venus, and Mars, which
you're known as the personal planets. And once you've sort
(31:32):
of nailed the understanding of your three amigos, which is
the core of who you are, then we can start
to look at what's going on with those personal planets
the other planets. What we call the trans personal outer
planets Satin, Jupiter, Neptune, Urinus, and Pluto. They also add
to the chart in different ways, but they're not as
(31:52):
important in regards to the core of your personality, which
is what those three amigos are telling you.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
I love the way you look stick with three amigos,
my friend's cool. Yeah, it works and it makes it
makes such sense. I do also love the way that
you've written about the elements and how different signs can
fit into Like, you know, we hear the fire sign,
earth sign, water sign, air sign, and as I was
(32:19):
preparing for this, you being a Gemini, I was like,
I wonder where Gemini falls into that. But it's air, right, Yeah,
you're a big thinker that tracks. That tracks getting to
know you like but also like as a writer as well,
Like that's cerebral to me. Yeah, it's very cerebral. Yeah,
So do you find that like the because again, the
(32:39):
correlation of the elements with the signs it I think
it's a really nice and kind of like digestible way
to like unpack. When you meet someone in just like
chit chatting and and they're like, you know, I'm all aries,
and I'm like no shit, I can see that, you know,
(33:00):
or yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel when you meet someone
that's driven by fire or got a little spark that's
just regulated.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Right, it can tell you a lot about them. And
then we can also tell a lot about a person
from what elements they're lacking. So for example, I'm a
double Air with an Earth moon, I'm a Virgo moon. Yeah,
you're a double Earth with a fire rising. So for
both of us, we lack water, right, and so that's
(33:27):
something that we It's not to say that where the
water signs are quite emotional and sensitive and intuitive, it's
not to say when none of those things, because of
course we are human and we've had experiences and there's
other elements in the chart. But for both of us,
it's not innate for us to switch straight into the
emotional self. For me, it's about switching into the mind,
(33:50):
and for you it's about planning and strategizing and taking action.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Yeah, totally. If I am ever stressed, the only way
to get through it is to make plan, whether it
gets actioned or not. It's like I have to, it's
the only thing that will. I have to have a plan.
And where is Matt his moon is I believe it's
a cancer moon, and then he's rising a scorp and
he's like, you need to sit with it and feel
(34:16):
this with me, and I'm like, absolutely not, absolutely not.
I need to book in with my therapist. I need
to make a plan. I need to do that, and
I have to have an action list. And obviously I
usually forfeit and end up sitting with him and then
making the plan and it works out that I probably
should feel because I'm probably lacking the water. But it
is fascinating. And as I was preparing for this, I
(34:37):
was reading about cancer knowing that it's Matt, my partner's moon,
and I was like, oh, so it seems like you
might be a bit more nurturing than me. And he's like,
no shit. And Georgianah will know this. You've come over
dinner many a time and it's I'm never cooking, it's
always Matt. He's like the care, the nertre is. It's
(35:00):
just so fascinating. It's beautiful, like when you do unpack it,
especially with people that you love and have in your
world and reading your book and then kind of like
looking up and seeing the actual physical like traits in
people it's really not. It's just an I'm excited to
like to read more and to like let what I'm
(35:23):
learning from reading your book kind of like seep into
real life, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
And that's kind of what I wanted people to get
out of it. There's ways that we can understand ourselves
ourselves through all twelve of those signs. There will be
parts of those signs that you connect with, and if
you don't, if you're rejecting the qualities of that sign,
that's also telling you something about yourself, right. And then
(35:49):
on top of that, we get this really beautiful insight
into the people around us and perhaps a little bit
more compassionate and understanding for what we might deem as
their weakness or they're you know, quick to fire approaches
to things or whatever it might be right, or being
overly emotional. Like I've got a friend who has a
(36:10):
lot of water, a lot of water, And before I
knew that about her, I was just like, why does
she take everything so personally? Why does she get upset
over everything? Like it used to drive me insane? But
then now I just have compassion for her, and I'm
extra sensitive when I'm broaching a topic with her, or
when we're talking about something knowing that she's feeling it
(36:33):
deeply where I'm processing it cerebrally. It's very different experience completely.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
So oh, I love it. I love this. I also
love the way you talk about the mutable signs the
fixed and is it cardinal?
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Yeah, well done, Look at you. You just like an
astrology buff Now, well.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Thanks to heye times, go out and get all signs
point to you available officially tomorrow. But I I love
it because also, like when you break down those three differences,
they track really Yeah. And you and I, Yeah, we're mutables.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
We're all mutables. Yeah, yeah, which.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Is true for us, right Like you and I have
pivoted so much. We're so adaptable. We can change whenever
we need to, and we're quite fluid. Even though there's
rigidity to the virgo placements that we both have and
we like to plan and structure and organize, there is
fluidity in that. And I think we can look to
(37:36):
all of the modes we call them to find out
again where your strengths are and then perhaps where there
are weaknesses or laziness or complacency within the way you
move through the world.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Yeah, and just on those street are they linked to
the times in the season. Is that happen? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Yeah, I mean most things in astrology sort of work
like that. But the cardinal signs begin the season. So
when we say the season, I don't mean each individual season.
I mean the like solstice and the equinoxes, which are
the official weather seasons.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Or what would we call them weather seasons?
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Yeah, yeah, the weather seasons to me, yeah yeah, and
all the times of year's season, the summer, autumns, yeah, winter, yes,
I don't.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Know why that's failing me right now.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
I would call it a season for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
So those so the summer solstice, the winter solstice, the
spring equinox, and the autumn equinox will all fall on
the cardinal signs, right. It's different for the northern and
southern hemisphere. So I'm not going to list them out
now because it's going to get very confusing for everyone.
But that's pretty much standard. And knowing that they begin
a season that they start, it tells us a lot
about the cardinal signs. Their initiators. They're leaders, they're pioneers,
(38:55):
they get things going right. Then we've got the fixed
signs and The fixed signs are Taurus, Scorpio, Leo, and Aquarius,
and they're a little bit more stubborn, they're a little
bit more in their ways, but they're also quite enduring.
They're also get things done because they will stick it
out right. And then we've got the mutable signs, which
are adaptable and fluid and versatile and all those times.
(39:19):
But sometimes it means they don't stick to the things
they're trying to do because they're onto the next thing.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Yeah, we're like a new idea. So it makes total
sense to me you being so mutable that you are
also now writing fiction because this is kind of you. Yeah,
you've sat in this personal development kind of space has
been the majority of your career, I would say, as
an author, So can you give me a little update
(39:47):
because I know that you writing fiction is like a
big passion of yours And yeah, I feel like I've
been lucky enough to know a little bit about it.
And I can see your post it notes stuck behind
you that I believe used to be to that I'm
pretty sure when I used to see they will into
your that's your fiction book, is it not?
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Yeah, this is my fiction book, and no one can
see it.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
But these posters used to be very bright, and now
they've been up here for so long with the sun
beaming on them that they're losing their color.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
I've been writing the fiction now for it's pushing three years,
which is just really bad. I don't have to say
I have not been writing it full time because I
wrote another book in between, and I'm running courses and
doing the podcast. But yes, I'm returning to that fiction.
I now have the support that I need behind me
to do that. And although it is again going to
(40:41):
be an enjoyable, fun read, it's quite a heavy topic
and so I've really just been taking my time to
be quite delicate with it. I don't want to rush it,
and I want to give it the reverence it needs
to make the impact I want it to make on people.
(41:02):
But yeah, very different process. I was just at the
Byron Writers Festival over the weekend. Have you ever been
to Byron?
Speaker 1 (41:09):
I have, but I love watching a bit of it
on your stories. I think you posted about it.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
It was incredible, like it was just a bunch of
very successful authors. Candice Fox was there actually, and she
was hilarious. Oh my god, she's so funny.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
So funny. Love her, so whenever I missed the Australian accent,
I go back and listen to the episode where I
interviewed her, because her accent is my favorite Ossie accent.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
I have to go and listen to that episode now,
because honestly, she was so engaging. It was a lecture
on writing crime and it was her Jane Harper that
wrote The Dry and an Indigenous author who writes, I've
got to read these books as well. She writes a
police procedural set in the Northern Rivers. It's got this
main character, Kate Miller, and there's three in the series,
(41:54):
so I really want to read that as well.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
But where was I going with this?
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Oh, I'm sitting in the audience listening to these prolific
fiction writers feeling like such an impostor, you know, like
there's something about fiction that just feels next level. And
I guess it's part of the storytelling. I guess it's
part of character development and hoping at the same time
(42:21):
that people are not only engaged by the plot, but
they're actually taking something away from the narrative as well.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Just feels like a lot of pressure. Anyway, Hopefully I
can I agree.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
With you, though I totally agree. I think fiction, I
would argue it's harder than nonfiction to write because you're
doing story theory. You know, you've got each depending on
how many characters, depending on what characters POV we the
reader are living through. Like Candice Fox has written where
(42:53):
she's got one like main POV and then you've got
other She's written some books where there's like eight different
POV like is and when we say PV like point
of view, so you the listen, that's not the Well, yes,
you're the listener, but when you the listener are reading
a book, you're reading it through different characters like viewpoints,
and so it is so whereas the book that I
(43:16):
was just talking to about the start It ends with Us,
that is now a massive movie that is all written
through Lily Blooms POV, which is who Blake Lively plays,
and you're seeing it through that person's POV view POV
the whole time, and the movie does the same thing
until one turning, but but mainly it is completely through
(43:36):
one character's viewpoints. So I imagine like as a fiction writer,
it is almost like it would feel like a whole
not even a different genre, it would feel like a
completely different You'd you'd be putting on a different cap
that day, you know, like it'd be a different Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Yeah, I mean I've written it in first person, which
is the same voice I would use for nonfiction. So
in that regard it's been quite good. But you're limited
when it's through the protagonists point of view because you
can only tell the story when they're there and what
they see and what they know, and that limits the
development of the other characters and the plot when they're
(44:19):
not in the scene. So yeah, look, it's been a
lot to work with. The main feedback I've gotten is
the plot is great. Everything's working really well. There was
just a few moments when my publisher was like, these
characters are too likable. I was like, Okay, I get it.
You know, you want everyone to be.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
Liked, but that's not how storytelling works. So it's is, yeah,
rough it up a bit.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Wow. Well, I'm excited. I'm so flip and pump for you.
I'm really excited for you for this book. So what
happens next? Like I've asked you a lot about the
behind the scenes. Are you doing a little bit of
a press tour or are you how what's the vibe
like straining now with books? Is it all online or
is it.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
It's not great the vibe when it comes to books
in Australia.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
I got to say I will be.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Having a launch in my hometown of Barron Bay, which
will be really nice because I didn't launch.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
The last book.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
My last book came out right in the middle of
the Lismore floods. It was not a time to be celebrating,
and so I feel like I can give some energy
to this book that I wasn't able to give to
the last one, So that'll be really nice. And then
I focus really on podcasts because I just feel like there,
you know, when we're in this sort of format, Lola,
(45:35):
where you can really dive deep into a book, there's
so much more value in it for the listener than
if you're doing a talk in a bookstore or a
book signing or a magazine article or you know what
I mean. I think this is the best way for
people to really engage with the content. And also it's
my it's my strong suit talking. I think, oh, pods
(45:57):
are the best.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
Pods are the best track out the rest With podcasting,
I could do it till the yeah ours come home. Yeah,
best thing ever. Well, I'm so pumped for you. To
the listener. The book is officially available tomorrow. Am I
saying that correct?
Speaker 3 (46:12):
Or done in Australia?
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (46:14):
So, I just want to be really clear. The book
is available in Australia from August twenty seven. If you
are an international listener at this stage, you can only
order it through Australia, which means the shipping is a
little bit more expensive. I'll give a link to Lola,
but the shipping at this particular bookstore is the cheapest
(46:34):
I could find. To the States. I just need to
secure that US book deal.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Yeah, let's manifest that, mate, Yeah, use your other book
to manifest it.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
Right with my books combined?
Speaker 1 (46:50):
Absolutely? Absolutely. And my final question is back to anyone
that's listening that might be an aspiring writer, what advice
would you have for them if if they've got like
they have that moment that you had on the plane
trip back from Spain and they're like, oh, I've got
this idea, And they may not be an author or
(47:11):
have a relationship with a publicist like you do you
know what I mean? They might just be like Oh,
I've got this kind of dream. I don't know what
to do. What advice would you have for someone that
might want to write.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
Well, the first thing I would do is I would
get really clear on what the idea is and what
is currently available, and if there's two ways we look
at it, what are the comparable titles to A prove
that books like this cell, but b that you're offering
something that isn't currently out there. Now there's a very
fine line there because you want to do something new
(47:45):
and original, but we also have to prove to a
publisher that the genre or the subject or the angle cells.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
It's hard.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
So I would start there, have a look what's already
out there. Then I would put to gather a really
really thorough structure for the book, for you more so
than the publisher, just so you can convince yourself that
you know that there's an entire book in you, not
just an idea that you could probably flesh out, you know,
in five pages. And then it's about putting a really
(48:17):
strong proposal together. Now, every publisher in Australia has specific
proposal guidelines, so I recommend hopping on the websites of
the publishers that you're interested in and going through the
guidelines for submissions and following them to a t and
then just submit.
Speaker 3 (48:34):
I mean, it's the best thing you can do.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
We always say in Australia, like it's really important that
you have a public profile that is going to help
you get ahead with a publisher. But in saying that,
if you've got a really good idea and a solid delivery,
then the profile isn't the be all and end all.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
It's just, yeah, it's an add on because they know
you'll hit eyeballs essentially. But like if you bought an
a good publicist that could get you on the pods
and could get you good interviews, you know there are
ways around it. I'd say, you know, absolutely, thank you,
my friend. It's been an honor to have you on
the pod. Stick around because I'm going to record a
(49:14):
hot Seat with you. But thank you. Giordana. Your book
is officially as of tomorrow out now. All signs point
to you in Australia. If not, if you're an Americana listener,
you're in the UK or anywhere else in the world,
there's going to be a link in the show notes
that you the listener can go and grab a cop
(49:35):
and it's a beautiful cover too. You must be so wrapped.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
Oh thank you, yeah I am, And thank you so
much for having me on again, Lawla.
Speaker 3 (49:42):
It's been a treat.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
I'm sure we'll do it all over again very soon,
my friend. This is fourth, fifth one. Next We'll be right.
But thank you, thank you. You are absolutely wonderful. That's
a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always,
thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation
on Instagram. I'm at Yamo lollaberry. This potty my word
(50:09):
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