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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Look, we've been waiting for this for so long. This
is the book The Fighter, and it is the story
of John Wayne Pa a Gold Coast Australian and world legend.
And he is in the studio with his better half
Angie to talk about the book. First of all, congratulated.
(00:22):
This is exciting just to see have the book in
the hand. It's exciting, mate. So how do you feel
about it?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
It's very surreal. I've got to do the proof read
on the telephone and then I figured up with little
mistakes that there was during the story. And then a
couple weeks later they sent me the actual hardcover of
the book and I say, whoa, And now it's getting
super real now. And then when I was almost done,
they said, oh, can please send us the sixteen photos
for the center, And then you realize why it's getting
even a little more real. So yeah, I'm so pumped
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to share the story.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
And we see anyone that follows you online, your posts
are so entertaining. But the nice thing about it is
there's always a story. You've got a photo that you
post and say this is when this happened, and this happened,
and then you get really interactive with all your all
your fans on Instagram and so all of those people
I'm sure are going to be interested in this story
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and in this book, I hope.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
So it's not just the fight story, to the opportunity
to travel to Thailand and to learn a different culture.
We had no furniture, so I had to sleep on
a wooden floor for four years. Every mealways had to
sit cross leg and on the floor. We'd share rice.
And then the maytai is such a number one sport
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in Thailand, so instead of playing football and cricket that
they play fighting. It's on every TV station, every radio station.
There's a newspaper that comes out and it's solely about
Monti only. So yeah, it's just it's just home as
a place where I could be accepted as a fighter.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I went to Thailand and went and caught a Thai fight,
and like the streets they go nuts, don't they, And
there's cars with all of the big posters and loud
speakers when they drive around anouncing the fight. It was
it's actually infectious, Like I'm not into fighting, but I
was like, I've got to go to one of these things.
They go nuts over it. And then I was pleasantly
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surprised about the gentlemanliness of it. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yes, for sure. Even though it looks so brutal on
the ring, it's such a respectful sport. And then as
soon as you fight with someone, you have a bond forever,
so you spend fifteen minutes trying to decompatete each other,
and then after the fight's all set and done forever,
I'll always have that piece of that person's soul. From
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every single person, I thought, I've always had this deep
connection with every single person, So.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
It's almost spiritualism definitely to.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Watch more well, even the ceremony around it, but the
dance beforehand and all of that sort of stuff.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
I was just reading that in the beginning of the
book about the rom Way, and he goes into detail
about that, and I said to him, I was like,
how long ago did you write this? And he's like
twenty years ago, And I was like, the detail is
amazing and it's honestly really spiritual.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
So what do you mean you wrote this twenty years ago?
Have you been waiting for this book for that long?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
And I started chipping away on the computer back in
two thousand and two. Wow, and then because I believe
they had a good story to share. And then a
gentleman that used to work for the international kickboxing magazine, Jared,
he took it over because he had a university the
plumber in.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Authoring. Writing.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, yeah, writing. And then so then we spent five
years a telephone calls, so we spent an hour here,
hour there, and over the course of the five years
we finally completed three hundred and thirty pages. And then
he put it out there and within a couple of
days he got picked up by a publisher. And so
hopefully it's not going to only hit those bookstores here
in Australia, but hopefully overseas ball and hopefully going to
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inspire people to get into the art of martial arts.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
And are you putting in other languages?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I believe it's international, so it's going to go everywhere.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Wow, this is a story like okay, so you were
you were nineteen when you went to live in Thailand.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yes, nineteen.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I had to live where you trained, pretty much to
live on the floor in a gym.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah, so what happened was where I live. Imagine you're
the only white person in all of Brisbane, so I
would go months at a time without seeing another Westerner,
and then and then I couldn't speak the language. There
was a lot of hand signals at the start, and
then I slowly pick up one word at the time,
and then every day I try and learn five new words,
and then within six months I could started corresponding. And
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then and then once I started winning fights, I started
getting the magazines and on the TV. And then all
of a sudden come a little bit of a celebrity
over there. And then running the streets, people flash their
lights and flash beat their horns at me, and it
was and then I'm very lucky after moving there in
nineteen ninety six, and then I started off making fifty
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dollars a fight, and then that's what it's called one thousand.
But and then my very last fight there in two
thousand and four, I won one million bart, a world
title and a trophy from the Prime Minister Italian.
Speaker 6 (04:59):
It's just a million, yeah, still a lot, Angie, have
you read Have you read the full book?
Speaker 5 (05:11):
So funny story. Wayne and the author had a little
bit of an argument and they weren't talking, and Jared
emailed me and he said, Angie, I really need to
talk to you. Wayne's blocked me and I can't. I
can't talk to him about the book. I don't want
to take it to, you know, a bad place where
I have to see him or whatever like that. Yeah,
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it got dirty. And I said, listen, Jared, you know
you've been writing this book for five years. Give him
six months, you know, time heals things. Send me the book.
I need to start reading it and then I can
talk to Wayne about it when he's in a good mood.
And I started reading the book, I was like, this
is amazing. I didn't even know some of the stories
in there. And I just said to Wayne. So Jared wrote,
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send me your book, and I started reading and it's pretty amazing.
He's like, did you like it? Really? I was like, yeah,
it's a good story. You need to finish it with Jared.
And he's like okay. And then he reached out to
Jared and they started talking again. And it's been amazing,
like the way they communicate. They actually have a good connection.
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And I think the stories are amazing.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Now I want to know what the fight was about,
but it's a good story.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
To show that you can forgive and move on, because
otherwise the books might not have seen the light of day,
like it's important.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
I mean, we can have a fight and the next
day we're completely fine. He has a black eye, but
I look good. But yeah, I think it's different with
different people. And when it's your partner, you guys get
over it, but he just like they really need to
learn to get over it and move on.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
What was it like for you and you were a champion,
world champion in kickboxing, yes, and your background was karate
originally or motai as well.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
It was American kickboxing okay, So it was like I
got a black belt in karate type of thing, but
it was mostly American kickboxing okay.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
So then what was it like a part of the journey,
because this is a life story as a part of
the journey, what was it like when you met Wayne
for the first time, this young guy that did mouy thai,
and then you got together because he was training at
the gym, wasn't it Yeah?
Speaker 5 (07:21):
The first thing you said to me was gooday, and
I loved him ever since.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Love it for us, I think so. And in the story,
do you talk about the kids much? So you cover
that because of course Jazzy is doing really well. Come
over over.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
So Jaz's got a chapter in there about when having
a first fight eight years old, when I came to
see you, yeah, back in the day, and when that
media destroyed me for two weeks the worst father in
Australia for putting her in the ring.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
That was Karl Stefanovic.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
At the time, I remember it was a different different
back then. The fighting wasn't quite as popular. And then
I put my daughter into the ring at eight years
old and for us it's just normal. But for the
general public that were so shocked. And then yeah, and
then car Staff and Irvick called me the worst father
in Australia and then everyone jumped on it, and then
I become the number one trending story in Australia for
like two weeks. I was the first five in Australia
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for two weeks. But thankfully Jazz has now gone on
to become a champion and own right. And then it's
like a junior football. If you don'te that football, or
you're not going to be a superstar when you're younger,
when you were in your older so when if you
start fighting at a younger age, by the time you
late teens, early twenties. Hopefully you can go on to
be a superstar.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
So how old jazz now twenty one?
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Wow, she's fighting like she's getting better, Like she's in
boxing now because she had injuries with more tie through
the hip. Is that right?
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yes? And plus there's more opportunities with the boxing as well,
bigger promotions, it's more accepted worldwide, bigger opportunities for sponsorships,
and more money.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
She wants money.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Yeah, I just can't believe that you went through that
with her, Like we've come a long way.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
But also it wasn't very long ago. Girls should be
able to fight like boys. I bet you they wouldn't
have said it if it was a boy.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Right.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
Well, I came to Australia twenty one years ago and
women were not allowed to fight in the ring in
New South.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Wales only twenty one years ago. It makes me mad.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
It made me so mad. Yeah, I was like, are
you kidding? I've been fighting in America in Las Vegas
and I was on TV, I was on ESPN, and
I thought it was very backwards here.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Well, then a lot of women must thank your family
because look at what you've done. Maybe, well I will
thank you on behalf of all the little girlfighters out there.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
There's some tough girls coming out through the ranks and
you're teaching them.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
Yeah, I love it. I train a little girl. She's
seven years old and she's already fought MMA and there's
no headshots, it's just body shots and as soon as
it gets to the ground, it's ju jitsu, no ground
to pound. So there is a safe way to get
experience and fight. And you know, Jazzie, she's had over
thirty fights and she needs that experience to fight these
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killers that they're trying to put her up against.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Yeah, it's all about that. So her next fight is
a boxing fight that's coming up soon.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
Yes, Jasmine signed with No Limit Boxing and she's fighting
in Sydney on December thirteenth at the Star Casino. And yeah,
it's going to be very big. It's a title fight.
Yeah yeah, IBF title fights. So her upon it, she's
I used to spy her upon it. That's how old
she is. She No, she's in her she's not.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
You heard. It just shows she's got experience, right, Yeah,
she's very experienced.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
And you know I just said to Jazzy Jasey, you're
twenty one years old. You're in your prime. You're faster,
you're stronger, you're better. Go beat this old lady.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Yes, I have believe. I love the fighting family and
young Jesse. He seems he's doing a lot of Brazilian
jiu jitsu and doing well, getting medals and everything. But
I saw a video recently of him doing some striking
the repeat kick just to the pads. Oh my god.
It reminded me of you, by the way, as you
would imagine. But so is he on the pathway to MMA.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
He just had his first amateur boxing flight with a
second round stoppage, and then he's Main Lincoln doing the
BGG for now and as he gets older, the planners
are going to hopefully MM to the UFC one Championship.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
It's just an empire, all right.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Now.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Let's get back to the book, though, How can we
buy it? Support it, get it out there. It's in
time for Christmasy.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
It comes out on the twenty seventh, so one more week.
It should be in all your major bookstores and Amazon,
hatchet everywhere. There's books so big, w.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
The sexiest thing.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
And I'm going to say it out that I was
like great for Dad's for Christmas, but no great for
everyone for Christmas right, definitely with what's going on in
the book, with all the generations and all of your
stories folded in, well, I think.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
What I'd love to having a little sneak peek and
a sceric into your career, being a fan and a follower,
and I'm proud to say a friend, I'd love to
see this story turn into a movie because we haven't
had an Australian sort of really great Australian fight movie
for a long time, but this one has got so
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much because this is about an Australian boy going to Thailand, yes,
and not even getting recognized in our own country because
Moutoy wasn't as big here and then being a superstar
in another country where we're not really unless you were
into the fights, you weren't really knowing who John Wayne
Pa was. And slowly it's been a long road for
you to get the recognition of really being probably if
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you measure it as a sport. In your success in
this against other of our mainstream sports, you're one of
the greatest Australian sports people we've ever had.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
And I thank you so much. I've been so lucky
I've been on a raality TV show, I've had a
movie air and the cinemas. I now have a book.
I've been a lot Tomato radio. I've my Big I'm Big.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
You're not peaking?
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Is there already a movie?
Speaker 1 (13:07):
A documentary?
Speaker 2 (13:07):
So I had a documentary and then it was released
at least in across the cinemas across Australia.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Can we see that now?
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Can people see that on YouTube? It's got Blessed with
the Venom on YouTube?
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Okay, they should release it on Netflix. In Unison, we
got let's contact Netflix.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
I mean watch it on YouTube if you like? Who
would play you?
Speaker 3 (13:24):
If we get the actual movie that Gaye is talking about,
who would you want to play you?
Speaker 4 (13:28):
And Angie? Who would you want to play you?
Speaker 2 (13:30):
For comedic reasons? I think mister Bean would be funny.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
You have to pick somebody.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah, well it has to start from when you they'd
be It'd be one of those movies that would be
like who played the young John Wayne Park? Which could
actually be.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Jesse, Yeah, my son's and my double ganger.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah, definitely he could play He's a bit tall than
what you were there, right.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
He's got the Angie category.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Look it's just always honor to be part of your
story and be involved and love helping you out with
promoting this because this is really good value. This is
someone working really hard against all the odds.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
He really has. He's done everything himself. He had no manager,
he honestly he booked us on fight fights, he got
us own sponsorship with his name, and he's built our gym.
It's one of the biggest names in Australia worldwide. Boonshoe
is known. And also he's you know, got us a house,
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you know, everything we own. We're not in debt. We're
lucky that his success has really.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Give us our comfort true hard work, hard work.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yeah, yeah, And I can see why you two love
each other so much because you speak so kindly about
each other.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
And that's the most important thing, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
It's actually a big part of the story, really, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
So congratulations on the book, Well done to both of you,
and look, get it as soon as it comes out
next week and let's all push for the movie now,
all right. We'll worry about who plays him later. I'm
more worried about who plays us. That's the condition, right,
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Go Robbie Robbie, I'm just scared to give you the
keys to what my character would be good on you guys.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I think you think you