Protein Cost, Macros and Taste with Former Fat Guy Fitness

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, okay, here's the first one.
I'll go for A Liam.
What's the best protein bar,you know, like that was my
original wheelhouse, on TikTok.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
What's the best protein bar is how we're
starting off today on InModeration.
Welcome to episode 69.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Again.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
That has to be an episode forever.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
We have former Fat Guy Fitness on the channel.
Is podcast a channel?

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Is it on the podcast?
I call it a channel.
They're all channels.
Everything's a channel, if youwant it to be.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Anyway, former Fat Guy Fitness.
It's a YouTube channel.
I guess that works.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Besides, curious about protein bars and what your
favorite and my favorite is oh,you know how you doing, how you
doing I'm doing good.
My favorite is oh, you know,how are you doing.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
How are you doing?
I'm doing good, much like you.
I run a pretty busy, busyschedule.
It keeps me out of trouble, itkeeps me moving forward in life,
so that's what I try to do.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
I know I probably drive my girlfriend nuts with
that, with how much I'm workingand how much I try to, you know,
be busy, but you know it's goodfor you, yeah, so I mean, tell
us about yourself though, likewhat do you do on the channels?

Speaker 1 (01:03):
On the channels.
I do pretty much anything foodand weight loss related.
I lost 120 pounds and I hoppedon social media just kind of
wanting to help people and tryto turn social media into a
career, and I kind of got theoriginal kickoff by having
reviews become really, reallypopular by making a lot of

(01:24):
stupid dirty jokes yeah,definitely see a lot of those
Jumped into recipes.
people really enjoy the recipes,did you know?
Just kind of general q and a'sand just kind of.
I try to stick in the foodnutrition world even though
honestly, I have the educationof a gnat when it comes to that
kind of a thing.
I just share my own personalexperience with it and people
find it to be a relatable andhelpful.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
So people love it.
I'd be lucky, lucky to do it,and the people they do love that
.
And also, you don't need much.
I mean, a Nats education isreally all you need to do.
Food reviews I know thatbecause I do them.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
I mean as long as you can say that's yummy or that's
yucky.
You know, you're doing prettygood, you're doing pretty good,
I mean that's.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
But to be honest, like people like you know, you
see all these like you knowpeople like you know they're
often like selling these thingslike it tastes amazing and
they're always you know, youalways get that I don't know
about this.
So to have somebody else belike actually it kind of tastes
like wet sandpaper I actually Ihad that today.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
I, literally I put out a video today of the new
alpha prime bites uh banana nutand uh I people keep asking me
to review those.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
what up with the Alpha Prime?
What's up with the brownie bitethings?
Whatever Is it?
Alpha Prime, alpha Prime.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
And those of you that don't know, like my thing is
cost macros taste.
Let's do this thing.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
no-transcript don't believe you, it's wait.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Hold on, hold on, hold on so 40 bucks for a 12
pack 40 um 40 freedom units for12 individual.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
like Is this company?

Speaker 1 (03:08):
run by Bobby.
You know I bet you money.
He probably has a stake in it.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
You know I would think so, and with how much I
lift him up today, you wouldexpect that.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yeah, they're probably run by Bobby.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
They probably have super low, so there's no way he
could put his name on it.
Oh God, that's Okay sorry.
That's going to be tough for meto get past for the rest of
this for the rest of thispodcast for a protein bar.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
You want it to be extremely dense in protein, like
you.
You want it to, you know, nothit you too heavily on the
calories.
You want to get your proteinwhile you're on the go or when
you're busy or if you want thatsweet treat.
So it's, it's okay on the macrosense, but then you get to the
taste and it tastes like you'rebiting into the Springfield
chemical plant that Homer workedat.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
Like it is a straight bite of chemicals.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
Dude, and don't get me wrong, I'm not against the
artificial sweeteners.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Like people say chemicals, but like we're just
saying like it has that taste.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
It has that taste.
I'm not even against that taste.
I'm drinking a diet Coke.
I drink artificial sweetenerson a regular basis, but it is so
excessively chemical raising II can't get behind it too much
of anything is a problem, andtoo many chemicals that's the
problem.
Everything in moderation.
Shameless plug for the podcast,but yeah, everything plug the
podcast.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
On the podcast of course, if you've never heard of
us before, that's weird um sobut I would like, so I want to
do like a quick thing throughbecause the cost macros takes
okay so like we'll get back tothis, but but okay, so the the
cost, how much do you think islike reasonable for, like, let's
say, protein snack?
Not even a bar could be, youknow whatever I would say so.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
I mean like, like, my 10 score is a dollar or under
for a protein snack tens areprobably achievable like that's
a kirkland protein bar.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
I was just going to say I, that's I like those If
you you know a Costco.
If you don't know what Kirklandis Costco, kirkland is Costco,
costco is Kirkland.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah, Costco, Kirkland, Kirkland, Costco.
You know they go hand in hand,but that's extremely rare to
expect that on everything You'renot going to do that I would
say $2 a bar is like that's myaverage price, Like that's about
what you're looking at.
Once you get above that $2 abar, then you're looking at like
, okay, you really better beworth it.
And then you know if you getinto that $3 or higher range.

(05:14):
That's like a three, a two, aone out of 10.
It's just, it's not worth it.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
I can't, yeah, I couldn't see myself doing that
Canadians over here bars existunder five dollars.
I'm so sorry, rob, but that's amonopoly money, so that's a
little different pretty muchokay, so we look for generally
one to two dollars.
I think that's fair.
Like you know, you're um,what's it?
You're rob robert irving.
I always say irving and peopleget so mad at me.

(05:39):
Uh, irvin or whatever, whateverhis name, the fit crunch, the
fit crunch, those are like adollar fifty.
I typically around there, atleast where we are, and that's
reasonable.
And the Kirkland bars and thenthe Pure Protein.
I feel like if you go toWalmart you can get Pure Protein
for around $1 a bar.
It's usually a little bit more.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
That's pretty good, yeah, I would say.
When it comes to cost, topthree brands are kirkland, pure
protein and fit crunch.
Cost effective, good taste,good macros like fit crunch
isn't the best macros, but ifyou're if you're really dying
for that, go to pure protein,it's that.
That's why I look at thosethree factors, because you're
never going to get a perfectscore on all three of them.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
Like you know, right.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Do you want a?

Speaker 1 (06:17):
cheap bar that has really good macros, then go to
pure protein.
Do you want a cheap bar thattastes really good but doesn't
have the best macros?
Then fit crunch is your guy youknow right definitely.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
No one makes me sad picking up your protein you know
, you know I sent the, I sentliam uh um maple oh yeah, you
did I did yeah did you actuallytry?

Speaker 2 (06:33):
those I have them in my drawer right next to me.
I could do a live review.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
You keep talking, you .
You may have gotten one of thelast boxes of those.
They seem to have discontinuedthem the maple's done.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Oh, here they are, look at that.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Okay so review this for me Live cost macros taste,
form of effect.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
I finished is 190 calories and 19 grams of protein
.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
That's a 10 on the CTP.
What's the fiber and sugarcontent?

Speaker 2 (07:00):
So then, the fiber pure protein is not known for
their fiber.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Boy sorry it's also in French here, so then the
fiber, so pure protein is notknown for their fiber.
Sorry, it's also in French here, so I'm a little confused, it
probably?

Speaker 2 (07:12):
says what fibres, or something like that.
They spell it fibres or fibres,fibres or fibres which is zero
grams, zero grams of fiber, yeah, and then three grams of sugar
and nine grams of sugar alcohols, which some people sugar
alcohols that can kind of messwith their digestion.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah, you got to screw with your gut a little bit
, I think.
Thank the Lord, I'm not one ofthose people.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Oh God, that would be terrible.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
I would probably give that a seven on macros.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
It like melted.
It definitely melted on its way, but you know what?

Speaker 3 (07:38):
Well, I mean it's used to being in Canada.
When it got across the borderit was like, oh God, it's hot.
How is it?

Speaker 2 (07:44):
That is chewy.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
That is so.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Wow, that is even chewier than I'm used to Do.
You guys talk for like 10minutes so I can finish this
bite, if that's cool, yeah, thatmight be what it takes on that
one honestly.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
Oh actually, did you ever try the Snickers
high-protein bar?
I've never, I have yeah it isthe chewiest damn bar I have
ever chewed in my life uh itdoes kind of taste like these
ones, yeah these are 10 out of10.
On the chew yeah, I mean.
I gotta ask, though, does ittaste good?

(08:19):
Like the chew usually doesn'tprevent the taste being good,
definitely, chemicallydefinitely artificially, yeah,
like the flavor is like a fiveout of ten.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
It's like mid, for even for a protein bar like it's
like.
You know, if you're compared tolike a candy bar it's like a
one, but on like the protein barscale it's like okay, I'm not.
Yeah, those are not my favorite.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Yeah I can believe that people yeah, you got to
look at it, two different levelslike you can never compare a
protein bar to a candy bar likethat's.
That's, you're setting yourselfup for heartbreak when you do
that, right exactly Differentscale.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Okay, okay, so we've got that.
What about the macros, though?
So yeah, we generally want likeone gram per like 10 calories,
right?
So if it's 200 calories, like20, like dock it a little bit
and like the added sugars.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
I usually don't worry too much about that, unless
it's like a MedRx bar wherethere's like 20 grams of added
sugar.
Yeah, that would really ding itdown, but no that, I would give
it like a 7 or 7.5.
Good source of protein.

(09:16):
Wish it had some more fiber,but it's respectable.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Got it Okay.
So like the Fit Crunch is likelike 200 or 190 calories and, I
think, 16 grams of protein.
So it's like not quite there,but still not terrible.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah, that would probably get like a six, five or
so.
I mean, you know it's notamazing but it doesn't fail.
Like I look at things that,like I like on a school grade,
sense like if it gets a six, youknow, these get degrees- I like
that.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
We are fans of that here in moderation.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
We set the bar low.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, here at in moderation, we set the bar low.
Yeah, I like it, man, I like itokay, and then so, and then
obviously okay.
So what are the bet?
I guess I, you know, we can say, like what are the best?
Like macro ones.
So yeah, like pure protein,kirkland is still like really
good to like you know, 20 grams,21 grams protein per 200
calories ish and grams of fibertoo man and 10.
Right, some of the bars likeokay, I will tell you, listen,
listen, we have to discuss this.
This is something this mustneed, this must need, this must

(10:10):
need disgust disgust or disgust,it's both.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Actually, now that I'm, about to say.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
What I'm going to say is the no-cow bars now here's
the thing with no-cow bars theytaste terrible.
They're awful tasting, yet forsome reason there's a thing with
no-cal bars they taste terrible.
They're awful tasting, yet forsome reason there's a flavor
behind it that is oddlyaddicting to me that I just kind
of keep going back.
Now the texture is awful.
It tastes like wet sandpaper.
I don't recommend anyone buyreally anyone buy them, unless
you're vegan and you're reallylooking for something.

(10:38):
You need a vegan bar, but forsome reason I the the code.
They have a chocolate coatedone which is like a better,
still not good.
Yeah, that less bad.
All right, it's less bad let meput it.
That's the way to put it it'sless bad and I like it because
it's got 16 grams of fiber in it, which is like insane.
It's almost got one gram perlike.
That's that's like protein.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
on the macro score, that is, I think, one of the
only bars.
I think I gave it 10 out of 10because it had so much fiber in
its protein, so much protein,and it's got great protein,
exactly.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
So like I add that to my rating, where I'm like this
still doesn't taste great, but Ilove the macros.
The flavor is strangelyaddicting and it's not super
expensive.
It's not great either.
It's kind of mid for price.
So, yeah, I like thechocolate-covered peanut.
They have a peanut butterchocolate-covered one.
So yeah, I don't recommend itunless you're vegan.
If you are vegan, I will saythough what is there's like Nugo

(11:32):
, nugo.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Oh yeah, yeah, Nugo's good, nugo's good.
I've tried that before theprotein isn't the best in the
world.
But it's a good balance.
It has an effect on peoplebeing vegan.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
The standard only has 12 grams of protein, but the
Nugo Slims have 16 or 17,.
So it's just like a fit crunchand those ones I like.
I would say, if you're lookingfor a vegan bar, that's probably
your best bet, yeah, but anyway.
So yeah, that's just.
I had to throw that out there.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
You just had to get that out there, because I made a
video with Bella one time.
We had to question Liam's tastebuds a little bit.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Listen, it's one of those things we all have, those
things we know that are like.
I also like licorice.
I don't think it's.
I don't think I don't recommendpeople try licorice, but for
some reason I find the flavoraddicting.
I keep going back to licoriceI'm with you.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
I like licorice.
I can respect that one butright you, you understand why
other people don't like itthough right, you love it or you
hate it, or you like blacklicorice, enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Exactly, people hate black licorice and I get it, but
I still like it.
We're getting off the top ofthe protein.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
So then and then the final category is taste.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
So like what are your best?
This is the most importantright taste.
Well, I guess cost is moreimportant After that.
What's you know After that?
What are the best tasting barsin your opinion?

Speaker 1 (12:45):
The best tasting bars .
Okay, so I would have to go see.
Originally it was Bearbell's,but actually my love for
Bearbell's has waned for acouple reasons.
Like I'm dead convinced, youcould blindfold me and put all
their flavors in front of me andI won't be able to tell the
difference.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
They all taste the same to me.
They do taste similar.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
the difference they all taste the same to me that
they all have that malachalsweetness, that that overpowers
everything, and then the flavorthat goes alongside of it is so
minimal that you can hardly tellthe difference.
It doesn't mean it's a bad bar,but the brand is boring.
That's that's.
That's me being a picky littlewhiny boy about it.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
It's just boring well , I mean, when you buy different
flavors, you want differentflavors I mean, if your job is
to review things, you kind ofhave to to be picky.
That's like sort of the gig.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
That's kind of the job it really is.
If I had to pick one bar,though, that I've enjoyed the
variations on it and it tastesso good, it's, unfortunately,
one we don't have in the States.
It's Grenade Bar Grenade.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
Bar.
You don't have that in theStates.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
No, I have it.
Here in Columbus they sell it.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yeah, the only time I've ever gotten it is I ordered
it off Amazon for an ungodlyprice of like four bucks a bar
because it was overseas shipping, and then I got it from a
company called Flake Marketplace.
They sent me a care package,but I look everywhere I go, like
the salted caramel, the fudgedup, like all their flavors are
so unique Grenade bars arereally good.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
That's funny because that's one of the bars I can
literally actually just go downthe street and get.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
A lot of us will have to send you some.
You can't get stuff up inCanada.
You have a one-up on us finally.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Finally, yeah, I guess it just depends on where
you live in the States too.
I don't know.
That's interesting.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Yeah, yeah, I would say that I grenade.
They don't have much fiber,right like.
That's like a lower fiber one.
Yeah, yeah, the macros on it.
You're basically just gettingprotein.
It would probably have the sameissue that I would have with
barebells, like barebell barslead me to binge.
That's why I look for fiber inmy bars, because they slow me
down from binging food.
That was always my biggest,that's fair, that's fair

(14:38):
barebell sent me a care packageof the their hazel nut nougat,
and that box did not, uh, makeit past full hour.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
They're still my favorite bar, like I like
grenade a lot, but the creamycrisp by bear bell is the only,
that is the only bar I would sayI've ever had.
That I'm like this.
You could trick me intothinking this is a candy bar.
If you, if there was nopackaging and you just gave it
to me, I would say, oh okay,that's a candy bar, not an
amazing candy bar, but like agood, solid candy bar that's the
only one I've ever had You'remaking me wonder if Bear Bells

(15:06):
actually ships to Canada,probably not Just like most
things.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
We have the same issue in Echo Vision.
Everybody asks hey, do you shipover to Canada?
The other thing I was likesorry, we just don't right now.
We hate you guys.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
You gotta get the special fancy licensed shipping
so that it's actually costeffective.
Yeah, because otherwise you'repaying 20, 30 bucks to ship.
Just a little thing.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
It's not worth it, it's like.
It's like you just said go downthe street, get yourself a
grenade bar.
You know you're still gettingsomething good at a way better
cost.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yeah okay, okay.
So I think that kind of wrapsup protein bars pretty good.
So we got, you know, kirklandbrand.
If't great, but you know, ifyou're looking for something
more affordable and good macros,fit Crunch tastes better.
Less great macros, still prettygood, more candy bar-esque and
then like pure protein is justkind of your solid like, yeah,
cheaper.
You know, these pretty goodmacros taste OK.

(16:00):
I will say the thin they havelike a Girl Scout cookie, one
that suffered a fine, but I likethat one a lot.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, If I had to pick two bars to say that are my
undisputed kings of all-aroundcost macros and taste the Quest
Heroes Cookies and Cream Balls.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Holy shit, I totally forgot about Quest Hero.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
That's so good 150 cals, 18 grams of protein, tons
of fiber.
Relatively cost-effective youcan find them almost anywhere
and the taste is bomb.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
That is my number one Almost anywhere but Canada.
I like the blueberry cobblermore.
Even they have cookies andcream and blueberry cobbler.
Blueberry cobbler is so good.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
That's right there.
That is probably my undisputedking protein bar.
But if you like it, pureprotein, the chocolate, what is
it?
The chocolate, peanut caramel?
That is probably my favoritepure protein bar.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
I don't know.
I've seen.
I've seen chocolate, peanutbutter, but I don't know if I've
seen chocolate peanut caramel.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
It actually has this nice soft caramel layer on top
that actually makes it yourprotein.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
That's a good one.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
Those are my top two.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Okay, so yeah, good, always good to have that All
right.
So yeah, we got options forbars, what, what else.
Uh, I guess we go like drinks,like protein, like shakes like
what do we, what do we go?
To.
What do you feel like?
What do you feel like?

Speaker 1 (17:08):
so I don't okay.
So I'm kind of the weird guy Idon't like through my weight
loss and everything that I did.
I never did protein shakes ever, because like I was.
I was the guy that made proteindesserts and protein recipes,
like with protein powders.
But I did review a bunch ofprotein shakes and there's only
one that that it's worth it tome and it's hard to find.
It's the fair life nutritionplan.
Um, I go to the costco businesscenter and I will buy those out

(17:30):
, by the case, and I'llstockpile them for like three
months and just fair lifenutrition.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Wait, just like regular fit, like the little,
the little ones with thechocolate or vanilla or whatever
the little white ones that are150, 30 grams of protein.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yes, um the fair life nutrition.
They're a 10 out of 10.
They taste like straightchocolate milk they just taste
like chocolate milk they do thatby far the best.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Like premier protein.
All the other stuff kind of hasthat artificial chemically
taste that's just like even thepower has that issue like it's
good but it's not great.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
So the only protein yeah I is oh okay, wait.
No, I have one alternative.
The premier protein chocolate,peanut butter.
That one is fantastic.
If you haven't, that's what I.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Yeah, that's what I have.
They sent me premier protein,sent me that, and it was like
it's okay, but it's still gotthat like artificially taste.
That just kind of throws me offabsolutely and unfortunately,
like.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
That's the thing, like I tell, I tell people is,
when you're going for proteinshakes and protein powders, it
is so dense on the protein levelyou're never going to escape
the protein taste.
You're going for protein shakesand protein powders it is so
dense on the protein levelyou're never going to escape the
protein taste.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
You're not, yeah, like, except for fair life,
which uses ultra filtered milk,which is where they separate out
basically the parts likelactose, everything and then
recombine or reconstitute it inthe right ratios, and that's why
it doesn't taste like proteinpowder, because there is no
protein, it's just milk.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
You better look out for the microplastics that are
in those things.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
I saw yeah, I saw them talking about that but like
, what was interesting is likethey because that was by
consumer reports and consumerreports like they, they never
really give the levels or it'sjust like more or less.
Yeah, you know.
And and if you look at a lot ofother things that you're eating
, like it's not even like youhave like a, a burger from like
a fast food place.
It's still like four or fivetimes what you'd get.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Oh, absolutely the study that's being referenced in
my comment sections lately.
I mean, if you actually go lookat the study, there are so many
other more commonly eaten foodsthat have like three, four
times like peaches like just hadfour times.
Yeah, I would say well don'tever eat peaches, you know,
don't ever eat these otherthings.
But it's fair.
Life is the problem.
It's awesome.

(19:27):
Gotta love it.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
And it's all about balance.
Like I'm not, are you drinkinglike dozens of them a day?
Like come on.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yeah, no, no, yeah, it's once again.
Let's plug the podcast.
Moderation, people, moderation.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Moderation.
What you should not have inmoderation is what I just tried
for a video right before this.
Owen is a vegan protein shake.
That's bad, as I think it isand it is is.
It's worse actually than youthink it is.
Um, really, yeah, I got the nonut butter cup, which is a name
that they decided to call it.
Yes, no nut, no nut, no nut.

(20:01):
Um, because it's top eightallergen friendly, which, if so,
I guess, if you're allergic tolike everything, then this is
your only option.
Then you know, sure, it's ait's, it's an option.
It's got 32 grams of protein.
That's, that's great, um, andit's even got six grams of fiber
.
Love that.
Love everything except thetaste, oh, and the price is also
expensive.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
So, oh yeah, that's on those.
They're pretty unreal.
I mean it's.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
I don't care how good the macros are or even the cost
, if you can't stomach it no,it's, it's, it's it's rough,
it's, it's it's I'm I'm probablygonna drink them because I paid
so much for them, but uh, yeah,that's, that's gonna probably
do it they're gonna go downabout, as well as your uh gut
shots oh, the immunity shotsyeah I tried those recently for

(20:45):
a video.
Yeah, those are homemade gutshots.
Yeah, you make them out of likea ton of ginger lemon and like
an orange and like turmeric.
That does not sound good, it'snot like I don't think it's made
to taste good it's made to, Idon't know.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
That's kind of why it's a shot You're supposed to
just down it.
That's kind of why it's a shotYou're supposed to just down it.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
It's like the healthy version of a whiskey.
Basically, down it, hold yournose and get it over with.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
That's how I feel like apple cider vinegar.
It's like you know that'll helpyou lose weight, because you
feel like shit.
It makes your stomach so upsetyou just don't eat any food.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
That's a good question I would have because
I'm a nutritional idiot honestlylike is apple cider vinegar
even remotely healthy or likebeneficial outside of like the
myths there have been?

Speaker 2 (21:27):
some studies showing with people with diabetes it can
possibly improve blood sugarsum but like that's only like
gastric emptying, yeah, yeah andthat's like a couple studies,
but, like for weight loss, itjust makes your stomach upset so
you don't want to eat anything.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yeah, okay, that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
That's pretty much it , at least from what I've seen.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
There's.
If you have any vinegar thathas the mother in it, it is
going to contain probiotics, butto a small degree.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
You've got such a small amount, like I've got some
kimchi in the fridge, I'drather just fucking a little bit
of that on a plate.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Damn.
I can feel that.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Anyway, any other ones that you review, a lot of
that you want to talk about.
I'm just leaving it up to you.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
As far as reviews go, I would say the Undisputed King
for all-time protein snack onthe market is the Quest Chip.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
It's the most expensive one that I,
regrettably, am willing to payfor yeah, questions unloaded,
taco literally just ate mypodcast loaded talk, I'm telling
you, and what's nice is likeI'm sure you've done it before
like you make a you know somekind of like meal with, like you
know, ground beef or whatever,tomatoes, all that stuff, and
then you use this as like you'rekind of you're you chipped up

(22:45):
for more like seriously.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Take that.
Take 96 lean ground beef, somegreek yogurt, some chalula, some
pico, some lettuce, uh, somefat-free cheese.
Yes, I said fat free cheesebecause I am on 1700 calorie cut
right now oh, I'd rather justnot have the cheese, just do x,
x, nay, the cheese yeah, I've,actually I've learned to love
the cheese because, like I, Ipeople always told me before
like, rinse the cheese, rinsethe cheese, it helps it melt.

(23:07):
But are we really getting?

Speaker 2 (23:09):
to the point where we're washing our cheese.
I'm concerned.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
It's crazy because it gets all that starch off so it
doesn't clump up and it melts somuch easier and it at least
breaks my brain into thinkingthat I'm eating cheese and it
makes the fat boy and me veryhappy.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
I guess I've never gone.
I mean, I've always been askinny fuck, so like it doesn't
really matter, I guess.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
but yeah, the challenge for me is I was always
a big boy and, if I can, I'velearned like, whether it's my
protein chocolate cakes that Imake, or my protein desserts
that I make, or just whateverlittle trick I can find to trick
my brain into thinking you'regetting what you want and it's
it's fitting into your dietright, right, makes sense, makes
sense, uh, but okay.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
So yeah, the quest chips expensive.
Uh, I will say like target hasthe best selection of them that
I've seen.
So, like a bunch of differentflavors, kroger, I think it's a
little like cheaper, at leastyou know we have kroger's are a
little bit cheaper.
And then gnc has the individualpackages, which is really nice
if you're like I want to trythis one, see if I like it.
But they're like three, fourbucks per bag, which is just

(24:08):
crazy.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
What I do is I keep an eye out for two things
Vitamin Shop they have deals.
You can get 50% discounts.
I'll stock up when I see that,or I'll go on Amazon and you can
get big bulk purchases of itfor, I would say, like one, 80
to two bucks a bag, which makesit pretty good for those Like I
just ordered a 12 pack of thesour cream and onion ones, which
are fantastic, for I think, um,I think it was like 22 bucks or

(24:33):
something like that, that's.
that's pretty good.
You find the deals and stock upwhen you can.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
That's how I've always done it Right.
And yeah, that's the nice thingis they last, for you know,
months and months, okay, okay.
So, yeah, quest chips.
I mean, what's your take?
What's your take on these?
Oh, the reason I have these isbecause I was just doing a video
before this on some of thesethings the legendary pastries.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
It's twofold, okay.
So if you have them just likeplain, like right out the bag,
you know your raw dog.
Yeah, it's pretty mid, it'slike a 6.5 to a 7.5 out of 10.
I will give them the break,though, because they say on the
package you need to microwavethem.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yes, 10 seconds in the microwave.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Then it takes it to an 8 or a 9.
But my beef with that hasalways been a protein snack, is
something like I get at the gasstation or when I'm on the road
or when I'm moving or I'm busyand I don't have a microwave.
So Legendary is the only companyI've ever given the pass on
that.
But if a snack is required tobe microwaved it is like
disqualified in my head.
Because I love it.

(25:29):
I go to the gas station whenI'm busy and I get a quick snack
, that kind of thing, If youhave to prepare it.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
it's no longer a snack, it's a meal.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Right, that's exactly .

Speaker 1 (25:38):
I'm a meal prep at that point.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
I mean, I love because, like I love that it has
also nine grams of fiber, whichis great, and, you know, 20
grams of protein for 180calories.
What I heard now I don't knowif this is true, I don't know if
you know I heard Listen this isI'm not sure, but that the
people that used to own Questgot bought out and they started
making legendary foods.

(26:00):
They, they started legendaryfoods and they Quest.
I heard one out foods they.
They started legendary foods umand they quest.
I heard a lot out the peoplewho originally owned quest, who
started quest got bought by abigger company.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
I could see that because quest I mean the
products quest makes.
Honestly, quest is probably thetop king when it comes right,
and so they got bit by thebought by a bigger company so
they could get it out there, youknow.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
but the people who used to own quest started
legendary pastries and they hada deal that they couldn't make
protein bars.
That was part of their deal.
You can't compete with us for acertain number of years.
So then they went and madepastries and they made the
little rolls and stuff, becauseit's technically not bars.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Oh, that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Apparently, the deal's going to stop at some
point and Legendary's going tobe able to make protein bars.
So that's what I heard.
I don going to be able to.
Legendary is going to be ableto make protein bars, so, like
that's what I heard, I don'tknow if that's 100 true.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
I heard it from a different creator.
I was like that makes sense.
I could believe, like Iwouldn't that's a story I could
believe in this world.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Yeah, um, I tried to looking it up.
I couldn't find anything on it,so I was like I don't know if
that's true, but anyway, yeah,legendary.
Like they make the little rolls, like the cinnamon rolls and
stuff too.
Like it's you know, youmicrowave it.
It's you know, you microwave it, it's still.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
it's not bad.
Yeah, some are good, some arepretty missed.
I mean, it's kind of like halfthe point of my reviews is like,
you know, some flavors are good.
Some flavors just aren't thatgood, but like the strawberry,
the cinnamon roll, the chocolateroll, they're pretty damn good.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Right, OK, OK.
So then rolls and chips,anything.
I mean I know you do a lot ofenergy drinks and stuff.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Oh, yeah, yeah, I mean, right now I'm clearly and
obviously biased.
I'm with Echo Vision.
We just released our own EchoVision energy drinks.
I have my own signature FruitPunch flavor coming out.
I think in about a month or so,oh nice.
So that'll be pretty cool.
We put a lot of effort intothose drinks.
So for me to say, oh yeah, topDog energy drink is my company
echo vision.
Right, that's pretty biased,but I would probably say, like

(27:45):
ghost, the orange cream was atop tier one for me.
Uh, the white monster is alwaysgoing to be a top white monster
is classic.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
That's why a lot of people it's.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
I call it the johnny sins for an obvious reason,
because it's the white monster.
But um no, I would probably saywhite monster was my top king
and the orange cream ghost wasmy my number two.
Uh, but now, just like I said,I'm biased and I'll personally
always put echo vision on top.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Now I don't think I've tried the orange cream.
I've tried a few of them acouple of other flavors it's
good, it's really good I likecream so I like, like you know,
like your cream, sodas and stuff.
Yeah, it's good, like a and whas like a diet cream soda that
you like that I do like thecream.
So like well, like diet creamsoda or like a and w the a and w

(28:27):
diet cream soda I do like that.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
I like the both of their root beer and their cream
soda their root beer is a topthree diet soda for me, their
cream soda it's.
It's just got this weirdaftertaste to me that I just
can't get down with here's onefor you.
Here's one top three sodas topthree diet sodas.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
I've gone.
This has been.
I mean it's cycling in and outlike uh, you know, really just
kind of up in the air, because Ikeep finding ones.
I'm like, oh, that's reallygood, um, but as of right meow,
I would say I still I keep goingback to the dr pepper cream
soda, zero cream soda because Ilike, uh, I really like cream

(29:04):
sodas, and dr pepper I think isbetter than the a and w, even
though I still like the a and wcream soda, yeah, um.
And then I know mountain dewcode red zero is up there and
people hate that because it'sonly available in like three
places in the whole country.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
Dude, that's a top three drink.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
It needs to be put everywhere it's so good like I
just, and it gets my daily maxof red 40.
I just love everything about it.
Yeah, so, um.
And then the number three islike I don't know I might put,
like I recently tried barks zerosugar root beer and that's
really good I finally yeah, Ifinally think my stores around

(29:41):
me started selling.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
I look at every, every store I go to, I look for
that damn soda.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
I cannot send you just one, you send me one, I
will make a video that day Belike yes, give me a gift, I will
send you one, single.
You send me your address, Iwill send you one, you'll have
it in the DMs right after thepodcast.
Oh, my God, I want that drink sobad because I've heard
everybody says that's like a topone says that's like a top one,

(30:06):
that's like number one.
It's got such a strong.
Like you know, root beer haslike a root flavor.
Yeah, like it's got that strongand I love that.
Like I tried mug uh or mug zerowhich is root beer very good.
I like it a lot, but I I thinkI I like barks.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
I like barks more so I guess those are maybe one too.
I'm still looking for that mug.
I mean, that's still my backwas that was the last one we
ever did.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
I mean, I've been looking for that mug.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
I mean that's.
That was the last thing we everdid I mean?

Speaker 1 (30:29):
I've been looking for that for ever since.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
I know, I know, baxter, yeah, I was, I tried
that after, I remember.
Yeah, like after he passed away, I saw that was his last video
and I was like, oh, I gotta youknow say recipes.
I've been looking ever since, Ijust have not been the lucky one
to find it yet I, I live incolumbus, ohio, and like we're
like a testing ground for shitor something, because there's
always like new stuff like thatand I'm like hell yeah, let's go

(30:51):
you know you would think theywould have that down here in
houston with.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
You know how big of a metro is.
But I mean, with the lack oflike data and self-service, I'm
convinced that we're still inthe stone ages down here there
are so many of you in texas yeah, houston's kind of a hub for us
nowadays, honestly, yeah it'syeah right.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
It seems like everybody's moving in that
general area, at least in thenutrition space yeah, yeah, it's
kind of like I mean, obviouslyyou have alpha land down here.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
It's uh, I I don't go to alpha land because, like I'm
not a bodybuilder, like I'm, Iam literally just an ex-fat guy.
That is my thing.
I, I stick to my, I stay in mylane, um, but a alpha land.
There's a lot of like top-endgyms around here, a lot of
fitness and nutritionalcompanies down here.
So it's it's.
You can do a lot ofcollaboration content, you can
bounce off people, like justkind of work in the space.

(31:39):
It's.
It's very interesting, it'svery, especially being a
non-bodybuilder being in thearea.
It's.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
It's unique well, before I move on, because
there's some other things I wantto, ask you before I move on to
that.
Any other like review thingsthat you tried, that you're like
yes, I definitely recommendanything in like the protein
space, you know, fiber protein,whatever that sort of stuff um
I'm just gonna leave it up toyou.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
That's kind of the thing.
There's really nothinggroundbreaking, it's.
It's okay.
Quest quest chips, find theprotein bar that you like, uh,
diet sodas, energy drinks wedidn't even ask you what are
your top three diet sodas rightnow top three diet sodas.
I go code red, code red's inthe top three um anw root beer.
And then my number one is I'mgoing to give you the basic
white boy answer of diet coke,caffeine free.

(32:22):
Like I drink soda untilmidnight every night.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
So the old hey, that's something I actually have
access to.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Hey, there you go not zero, not coke, zero diet coke
diet coke.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
We're a diet coke family in this house and I go
with caffeine free because Imean I already have too much
caffeine on a day-to-day basisanyway.
So I I just try to, you know,always keep it caffeine free.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
When I can, I will say, uh, the coke zero has a
vanilla.
That's so good, but theystopped selling it around me and
I'm like a petty bitch about it.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
So I took them out of my top three because I'm mad.
I respect that they don't sellit anymore around.
You got to send that message,Liam.
You got to send that message.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
I held on to one for so long like a case of it for so
long because they stoppedselling it to a point where it
expired and like it didn't eventaste as good when I drank it.
I still drank that shit,obviously, but like it didn't
even taste as good because itwas, like you know, older I was
like now I'm even sadder, likethe saddest, but anywho, uh,
okay, those are there.
So I kind of want to ask you,though, like during your like

(33:18):
weight loss, like I'd love tojust get some, because you know,
people, what we talked about atthe beginning, people love
anecdotes, right like what aresome of the things that like
helped you kind of sustain yourweight loss?
Because that's the thing it'slike people lose weight.
You know, most people loseweight for a little while and
then kind of yeah, you knowrebound.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
So for you up in the roller coaster, right.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
So, like, what are some things for you that, like
you know, helps you kind ofremain on track?

Speaker 1 (33:41):
that's what I'm curious about it's kind of
twofold, like I knew early onwhen I everything, like I had my
various reasons for starting,um, but I it's the old adage of
I had to do something that Iknew I could do for the rest of
my life.
Like you know, people ask how,how's keto, how's carnival, or
how's the Mediterranean, how'sall these things?
You know they're all fine anddandy and lovely, they'll all

(34:13):
get you that I make, that I loveand enjoy.
That fits a healthier lifestylefor me, because I know my
weakness.
Like, the big thing for me isyou have to know your weaknesses
and you can.
If you can learn to manage themand you can learn to live with
those weaknesses and find waysto defeat them, um, instead of
just kind of ignoring them, thenyou can do it for the rest of
your life.
Um, so I still eat all myfavorite foods.

(34:34):
I still eat my Mexican tacos, Istill eat my steak, I still eat
, you know, my mashed potatoes,but I found a way to make all of
them lower calorie, higherprotein, like mashed potatoes.
I do it with fat-free, fairlifelight butter.
Add some Greek yogurt into it,season it up to your good taste
and then you have mashedpotatoes where you're still
getting a good amount of carbs,but you get a little extra

(34:55):
protein in it and it makes it alittle better on the diet.
That's what I would say is thenumber one key.
But then the number two is thata lot of people, when they lose
their weight, they say, okay,cool, I did it, I'm done, I can
get off this I had to set newgoals for myself.
So I went from 275 down to 155and I was like, okay, where do I

(35:17):
go from here?
I wanted to get bigger.
So I actually I went on a bulk,so I went from 155 up to 200,
205 pounds and now I'm on theway back down from that.
On my current cut, I'm at 197,trying to get back down to 170.
So I just kind of made it alifestyle and I keep looking
forward of, like, where can I gonext, where can I take these

(35:37):
health goals next?
So those are the two ways thatI really did it to make it a
lifelong change.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
I like, yeah, I think especially important is.
Important is, yeah, what yousaid about finding knowing your
weakness right, because I thinka lot of it when you start.
It's just kind of like what if Ijust ignore it?
You know what, if I just don't,I'll just not do it, but like,
for the rest of your life that'sgonna be rough.
So, yeah, finding ways to go,what was you know?

(36:04):
Oh, I'm not.
I'm not a huge greg doucettefan, but like he's got some
little things that I like.
He's like find the circle diet,that's what he calls his thing.
We'll put things into thecircle where things are higher
in fat, higher in sugar.
Let's lower the sugar, lowerthe fat, more protein, more
fiber, and bring it into thisarea where you can still enjoy
it.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
That might be the only thing with that guy that I
agree on, you know you know oneof the few.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
It's one of the few, but I do like that.
I just made me think of that.
Bring it into the circle, bringit all into the circle.
Find ways to still enjoy.
Because if you're a sweetsperson, you know, then you've
got like, yeah, your ninjacreamies.
Uh, if you're, you know, likesome people, really into like
salty things, so like potatochips are there, you know
downfall.
So then you try things like.
That's why you try things likethe quest chips or I don't even

(36:49):
know for me like nuts and stuff,like to snack on those you know
at least gives me, you know,something similar to that I made
right here.
I got some, um uh, roastedlentils.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
I made for a video like roasted chickpeas, but
lentils it's actually prettygood I had a thing of mixed nuts
, I emptied it in my mouth.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
See, that was actually the first thing, like
when I, when I first started onmy weight loss, before I started
kind of educating myself on howto do it, that was the mistake
I made of like I was going toeat clean, I was going to eat
healthy I was going to um likecut out all fast food, cut out
all junk food, and I was justgonna super clean, like nuts,
cheeses, meats and everythinglike that.
But I would find myself goingback to the cabinet every five
minutes to get a handful of nuts, or I would go into the fridge

(37:32):
to get a bunch of cheese, andI'd do that over and over again
and I'm actually putting onweight while I'm doing it.
That's when I was like okay,why am I putting on weight when
I'm trying to lose weight?
I'm eating super clean.
So I was like okay, there'scalories.
I had to learn that.
I had to be like okay, I needto get myself in a calorie
deficit.
I need to make sure my proteinintake is high enough.
That's when I learned about thethermic effect of food and how

(37:52):
protein has a way higher thermiceffect.
I was like okay, so go like theamount of energy it takes to
digest the calories you consume.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
So there's, you know, for fats, proteins, carbs, all
have different calories requiredto actually digest those and
absorb those.
Protein is the highest.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
Now, that's for anybody that doesn't know.
Why are you listening toepisode 38 instead of listening
to episode three?
I think we went over it.
Is that where you went?
Oh yeah, we did go over that.
I don't remember yesterday, letalone like a year ago, but yeah
so.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
But even more important for me, though, is
protein delays gastric emptying.
It's food.
It takes longer to digest inyour stomach, meaning you feel
fuller for longer.
Same thing with fiber Takeslonger for just things to move
through.
So just you feel fuller.
And it's like keto.
You cut out okay, let's say youcut out pretty much all carbs,
like you're removing, like youknow, one entire macronutrient.

(38:52):
There's a good chance you'llconsume fewer calories and
there's only so much fat you caneat.
There's only so much butter andavocados that you can eat before
you start eating things thathave protein in them, like you
know, your meats and stuff that.
So you eat more protein, youfeel fuller, you lose weight.
But some people, like you said,like you keep going back for
cheeses and nuts and stuff likethat that are higher in calories
.
People can definitely gainweight on keto.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
I tell everybody you put me on a carnivore diet and
you don't tell me to watch howmuch I'm eating.
I will put on 50 pounds in fourmonths on a carnivore diet.
Like give me a pot roast, giveme a pork shoulder, give me some
prime rib.
Like give me all them highfatty bacon I should eat a
mountain of food, dude, and yougive me meat like.
That's why, like, I stick withlike top sirloins, pork loins,

(39:37):
chicken breasts, like the leanermeats I just go for the leaner
cuts of them yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
So I mean, if you're trying to lose weight, like
leaner cuts, you know, here dothey have like 99 lean turkey,
in canada, rob, they have that.
Is that a thing?

Speaker 1 (39:52):
I'm not sure.
Actually you might be blessedif they don't, because that
stuff you really have to.
You got to make that stuffreally special with spices and
stuff to make it taste, tastegood they got like.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
so, yeah, now they've just get it leaner and leaner,
which is like 100% lean, it'sjust all just pure protein.
But yeah, just going with those, as opposed to the fattier cuts
the sausages, the bacons, thething People they like chicken
thighs are great, but going tobe fattier, going to have more
calories, so try and stick tothe leaner cuts, but yeah.

(40:23):
So I mean, I like what you said.
What, though?
I would love to get some?
Like, uh, give us, give us, youknow, because it's always fun
the mistakes, some of themistakes you made along the way
that you realize, oh shit, likeyou just mentioned one about,
like you know, the keto andgoing back for the cheeses and
that sort of stuff.
But like what, what else?
What can we learn?
We always talk about learningfrom failures here.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
oh, yeah, no that's I , my, my life is a prime example
of learning from failure.
Um, so, the first one, like Isaid, would be, like the, the
ideal of eating clean and youknow, thinking like well as long
as I eat clean, it doesn'tmatter how much I'm eating,
cause I'm an overeater.
Um, you know, that was my firstbig mistake.
My second one was when I wastrying to go through my body
recomposition.
Cause, for anybody that doesn'tknow, I went through what's
called body recomp eat in asmall calorie deficit while

(41:05):
lifting very heavy and doingprogressive overload to try to
put on as much muscle aspossible.
Um, when I was going through mylifting sessions, I was over
training, like I was lifting toomuch, and I actually tore my
brachialis.
Um, when I was shit really yeah,I tore my brachialis probably
about three months in, because Iwas lifting and I was like,
okay, I'm feeling some painthere.
That must a good thing.
You know, it wasn't a goodthing, cause I kept going, I

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kept pushing past it and then itbecame a very sharp pain, um,
and it was.
It was a partial tear in mybrachialis, um, but actually it
was.
It was indirectly kind of theone of the best things that
happened to me, cause whenever Iwas doing like a, a back
lifting day, like a, like a pullday, so to speak, um, I could
never feel the muscles in myback.
I kept always feeling it in mybicep.
And then, as soon as I tore mybrachialis, I was like, okay, I

(41:50):
can keep lifting, I just can'tuse my bicep at all, and that's
actually what taught me on howto actually lift and engage my
back, not the way.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
I would recommend other.
And two if you tear a muscle,maybe don't keep lifting, but uh
, no pain, no gain.
No pain, no hospital bill.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
I was wrong I was very wrong on that?

Speaker 2 (42:16):
did you have to get that?
Do you have to get surgery onthat, or did you just rest it?

Speaker 1 (42:19):
I just rested it.
But I that pain lingered withme for about nine months, damn,
because it was like it didn'tneed surgery.
But yeah, it's a great two teartear about.
So yeah, yeah, um, and theysaid, you know you don't need
surgery on it, but it's, it'sgonna hurt, you gotta rest and
recover it.
But I was like, well, I'm onethird of the way into my weight
loss journey and my recomp, soI'm not gonna stop lifting.

(42:40):
So I just kind of learned towork around it and and avoid the
pain.
Um, so that that's.
I did it, probably not the bestway to do it, but it ended up
working out okay.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
And for anybody kind of listening, because I get
asked about this before you canlose fat and build muscle at the
same time in a fewcircumstances especially when
you're early on.
You just started, you haven'treally lifted weights before.
If you have never liftedweights, your body will start to
put on muscle and also if youhave like a lot of excess body
fat, that's stored energy, soyour body can use that energy to

(43:15):
build muscle.
Whereas if you're already onthe leaner side, like myself I'm
already kind of lean it'sbetter to just add calories so
that my body has those caloriesthat it can turn that into.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
You know, muscle, anabolism and catabolism
anabolism, the process ofputting on muscle, and
catabolism, the process ofbreaking down fat are two
separate systems in the body.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
they can act at the same time yeah, but when you
become more advanced it becomesmore difficult.
So generally you do want tostick to you know, uh, focus on
one as opposed to the other.
But yeah, like you, you can doboth at the same time,
especially early on.
Yeah, um.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
Then I guess, going back to that, you asked about
the mistakes that I made.
I think another one would be umI talked to my girlfriend about
this all the time is the scale?
Um.
I still weigh myself on a dailybasis, strictly as a data point
.
Um, but early on, I mean Ithink most people in their
weight loss journeys, that scalecan really defeat them early on
.
And it took me probably aboutthree months of kind of

(44:13):
understanding how the scaleworked water weight fluctuations
, understanding that you know,did you go to the bathroom that
morning?
Did you have a carb heavy mealthe night before?
And then they also got tounderstand if you weigh yourself
seven days a week, like I do ona proper plan, you're only
trying to lose about one to twopounds a week.
So that means you're going toweigh yourself seven times in a
week.

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You're only going to see itdrop one time in that seven
period.
So you have to understand thatyou're going to lose a lot when
you go to that scale.
But you you want that datapoint just for for reference on
you know what you should bemoving towards.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Plus, I mean we're all men, so like there's people
who have, like, a menstrualcycle goes up and down with that
Like.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
I feel so bad for the women that asked me for advice,
cause it's like you guys haveit so harder, so much harder
than we do.
It's I.
My heart breaks when, when theyasked me for advice.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
Oh Freaking.
Ryan Reed did a video recently.
I don't know if you rememberRyan.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
You've talked, we've talked about.
Yeah, we've talked about that.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
I remember, but he apparently posted a video
recently lambasting women goingthrough a menopause, saying that
like essentially, they justneeded to work harder.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
That is pretty asinine, yeah, but when you it's
, it's just like one of thosethings like that's why I
especially like to bring peoplelike you, former fag I fitness
is because, you know, forsomeone like myself I've always
been like, I've just always beenskinny and lean it's tougher
for me.
I would just eat Cheez-Its allthe time.

(45:50):
I had a big jar of peanutbutter like the Jif big spoon in
it under the bed, just kept itthere and I just eat out of that
and I just never really put onany.
It was tough.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
It was difficult for me.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
When I started lifting weights, I'm like, oh, I
got to eat more and more andthat was actually like difficult
.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
so I love to bring people on just different
circumstances and get your youknow, you know what you went
through, because I think foranybody like in my boat, you
know, like people who areoverweight, they go.
Oh, you know people like you,liam, they think you have it so
easy, like, oh my god, you're soskinny, like no, it's just a
different kind of battle.
Like like mine is is arestriction battle.
Yours is like you if you wantedto put muscle on, you got to

(46:27):
put more calories into your body.
But you know, some people justcan't do it.
Some people don't have thatappetite, they don't like to eat
that much, or even then theirmetabolism is naturally so
freaking high that it's it's ait's a difficult battle to climb
right, it comes down toappetite a lot.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Like you know, I'll see people like I have trouble
eating, like I eat many calories, and then maybe you look at
what they're eating.
You're like you're not actuallyeating like that many calories.
It might like look like, looklike a lot, but and then are you
doing this on a regular basis,all that stuff.
So like, a lot of times it'sjust you just have this.
Yeah, it's just appetiteregulation and that's just kind
of your genetics which sucksbecause you know little you can

(47:02):
do about it.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
And that's one thing that a lot of you know.
I feel bad for a lot of peoplethat don't understand early on
is that you know a lot of it isgenetics, whether it's what is
your appetite, what is yourbasal metabolic rate?
Well, what is your?
What are your muscle insertionswhere?
What muscles on your body aremore predisposed to growing
quicker?
Like my shoulder genetics arefantastic.
My bicep and chest genetics aredog shit.

(47:29):
Like you learn what parts ofyour body win, what parts of
your body lose?
And, uh, you know, for, likeyou you said, you don't have the
best appetite.
You might have a really highmetabolism, so gaining weight is
difficult for you.
For me, I, I could eat a 5 000calorie meal and then 30 minutes
later I'm thinking, hey, what'sfor dessert?
Like, yeah, more food, bro.
So it's just a matter of youknow, finding your own, like I
said earlier, your personalweakness or your own issue, and

(47:51):
just Right.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Yeah, right, and yeah , for anyone who was on my side
of things.
Yeah, I mean, definitely peanutbutter out of the jar.
If you're allergic to peanuts,it doesn't matter.
Sunflower butter or whatever,they're all high in calories, it
doesn't matter.
I would just eat right out ofthe jar with that.
And yeah, sure, I'd eat more ofyour ultra-processed foods, but

(48:13):
I try not to go crazy with thatsort of thing.
Make sure, sure, I'm adding inthe, the avocados and the other
things that are still making youlike crap.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
You know they'll add the calories into your diet, but
you're not going to be feelingthe best on it oh, yeah, yeah,
and that's yeah in terms of likefueling your workouts really
important.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
So like that's why you know always, like I love a
high carb diet, I can man theketo people like it's awesome.
Like, if you like, love lowcarb and stuff, I'm just like
how do you like the energy,though?
Like I get all my energy fromthe.
I feel like I get that fromcarbs.
If I eat just like a high fat,you know even high protein meal,
I just feel like sluggish andtired and I don't really want to

(48:50):
do anything no, I think Iactually also going back to that
mistake thing you were askingabout earlier.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
The biggest mistake I made was that I went too low on
fats because, like I, I have ohyeah I'm carbs all day, every
day, but I actually had dayswhere I would literally have
eight grams of fat and eight ohthat's how low I went and my
testosterone shot through thefloor because of it.
Like I got to the end of myweight loss and did a blood test
and I think my testosterone was200 um, oh, wow it was really,

(49:18):
really low, and it was because Iwent so low on fat, my hormones
weren't regulated.
Um, but it was because, like, Ilove my carbs, I want my pasta.
That's where my energy camefrom.
Um, but I didn't have anyimportance of fat back then,
like now on my current cut.
You know, I make sure I get 25%of my daily calories from fat
so my hormones stay regulatedand my testosterone is good.
Um.
So if anybody out there istrying to lose weight and you're

(49:39):
trying to manage calories, yeah, you want to go lower fat, but
but make sure you're gettingyour fat, because that's that's
what keeps you going so likewhat was your?

Speaker 3 (49:46):
diets of low fat, low carb, low whatever.
No, just no.
Everything in moderationexactly.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
let's plug the podcast for the 16th time.
Throughout the podcast it'sabout balance in life.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
So like what was your maintenance like?
What have you found?
Like is your like maintenancecalories?

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Right now, like right now, at 197,.
My maintenance is estimated atabout 2450.
And I'm in a fairly aggressivecut.
Right now I'm at 1700 calories,trying to lose about a pound
and a half 2450.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
So that's like yeah, 800 calories.
Yeah, you know typically ifyou're like 500 calorie deficit,
you'll lose around a pound aweek.
It'll fluctuate and changedepending on you know whatever,
but something like that.
So yeah, I mean that's notgreat.
Once you get to a thousandcalories, it's tough.
When you get to like a thousandcalories, you know you're going
to be pretty damn hungry.
That's what.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
I found like for me.
Like that 800, 850 mark is thebest for me because I can get
the dieting process over quickerthat way.
But I still have enough room towhere I can hit my protein, I
can hit my fiber and I can hitmy fat goals.
And as long as I can hit thosenumbers, there's going to be
about a four or five hour periodin the day where I'm not happy,
I'm not enjoying life becauseI've committed to the hunger
through that time.
But I've learned how to spacemy meals out throughout the day

(50:55):
to where I don't go to bedhungry, I'm not irritable, I'm
not crashing on energy, thatkind of thing.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Because I mean, I've never really had a trouble with
like the low fat thing, I think,because my maintenance calories
, when I've tracked it, wasbetween like 32 and 3,500.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
Oh, my God, somewhere in there.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Yeah, that's I mean so for me to gain weight I was
eating like 4000 calories, over4000 calories to actually put on
like any decent size.
So if I go into like twentyfive hundred, I'm that's like a
thousand close, probably closeto a thousand calorie deficit
for me.
So like, even then I meantwenty five, I'm still getting
enough fat to, like you know,for my hormones and shit like

(51:34):
that.
But that's again we come downto appetite regulation and you
and you know just metabolism.
Like we have our game nightshere and I'm like, I'm like I'm
gonna get another meal, I gottaget another meal, and you guys
are just still sitting therelike naeem, like how are you not
like I need to?

Speaker 3 (51:46):
I what is going on?
I need more, I just have a bigplate of just food every like,
every hour like every once anhour.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
I gotta get up, I gotta have a fucking meal.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
If I unleash myself, man, that's me Like when me and
my girlfriend first starteddating and I was on my bulk, I
was at about 3,400 calories aday and I was like, yep, I could
eat all day Like just go, go,go, go go.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
And then I would still get to the end of the
night and be out of calories andgo.
Man, I want to keep eatingright now out.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
Oh so yeah, this just comes down to genetics, the
person.
I mean I'm also talking likeit's six, three, yeah, I mean it
goes even further than thatbecause, like we got, we got
liam here, who's in the, theskinny boat, we've got former
fat guy fitness was in theformer fat guy boat I'm in the
genetics where it was born, withum like mental health problems,
and so my problem comes down tomedication, and the medication

(52:46):
that I'm taking will determine,like, if I'm getting hungrier or
maybe yeah, it makes me nothungry and a lot of people are.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
I hear from a lot of people a lot of comments people
talk about.
Hear from a lot of people a lotof comments people talk about.
Like I've taken this medicationincreases hunger, you know.
Does this does?

Speaker 3 (53:01):
that?
Yeah, right now I'm on amedication that, like it's taken
my hunger away.
That's why you don't see mesnacking anywhere near as much.
Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
No, I get that 100%.
I mean actually one thing forme when I started my weight loss
, I was also cause I don't knowif I ever you saw this lamb I
was a fifth a day drinker, a twopack a day smoker.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Oh, really, I didn't see that.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
I smoked two ounces of weed a month.
That was me until I was 29.
And then I started cutting outall the vices and everything
like that and I I first cut outthe weed because you know that
gave me the munchies and it mademe want to cut that out.
So I had the nicotine tosuppress the appetite.
So you know that was my go-tofriend.
But then I quit smokingcigarettes and my appetite, oh

(53:44):
my God, like I did notunderstand the effect that that
had on my appetite, and it wasbrutal.
It took me quite a while to getthat under control.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
Man, and that's the thing is like.
When we talk about like oh,it's calories in versus calories
out, you know people that comes.
I've got a lot of comments frompeople like oh, you're just
being rude and mean and like I'mjust like you're just
discounting all these otherthings.
I'm like I'm really not tryingto discount that, I'm trying to
just be like listen, listen.
Like the laws of thermodynamicsapply to all of us, okay, but

(54:13):
like, because of all the but,you know hormone regulation, you
know medications, your geneticsall of these things can make it
very easy to lose weight orvery difficult and anywhere in
between.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
I have a friend who said it best, I think, in that
weight loss and calories in,calories out.
It's a simple idea but it's noteasy.
It is a complicated equation.
There's a lot that goes into it.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Right.
But for me I always say it'skind of like golf.
It's like, oh, okay, get thisball into that hole all right,
in a few strokes, like oh,that's easy, oh, no, no, no
difficult when you start playing.
Oh shit, I suck at this and ittakes a long time, like it's
simple but not easy.
Uh, so, yeah, you know that's,that's, you know it's trying to
get.
But also we make videos thatare like what?

(54:56):
A minute long, 90 seconds long.
So it's tough to get all thatacross.
Yeah, to people in a minutevideo.
Okay, okay, okay, former fatguy fans, we're gonna play our
um, uh, regularly occurring uhseries game, which by that I
mean we do it once in a whilewhen we remember which is
overrated, underrated otherthings.

(55:17):
Four episodes old it's like moreepisodes at this point, okay.
So overrated, underrated,whatever else you say, rob, what
are you gonna get first?

Speaker 3 (55:28):
okay, barbecue flavor , quest chips barbecue flavor,
just because it's quest.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
It's gonna be underrated, even though they're
the greatest thing ever.
Quest can't be beaten.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Fair enough.
What about intermittent fasting?
Overrated, underrated?

Speaker 1 (55:45):
Oh, that's a tough one.
I'll go ahead and give itoverrated, because there's no
magical properties tointermittent fasting in my
opinion.
It's just a calorie restrictiontool that I think is effective.
Some people like it a lotbecause it's simple, right.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
Yeah, you're just like oh, I just don't eat during
this time, and then it makes ittougher for me to over consume
calories boom, there you go.
If you like simple, there yougo, but like also, are you going
to do it for the rest of yourlife, right, like that's kind of
.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
My thing is like you know if you're doing the rest of
your life as a calorierestriction tool, where I just
go a certain portion of the daywithout eating and I'll fill it
up with diet sodas and that'sthat's all yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
So I mean yeah, if you like it, awesome, but you
know, I guess all right whatelse you got, uh, drinking
unflavored water unflavoredwater.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
Here's my answer.
That, what is that?

Speaker 2 (56:29):
uh, I would go over the toilet.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
If it's not diet coke or if it's not like a flavor
packet or something, I ain'tdrinking it, like my girlfriend
hates drinking it.
She's like just drink regularwater?
I'm like no.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Oh man, the just drink water comments whenever I
have diet soda.
Oh, we're water gang.
Cool, be a water gang.
I don't give a shit, I'mdrinking my fucking Diet, dr.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
Piper, oh, ok.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Oh, what about?
All right, how about fat-freecheese?
Overrated, underrated.
I'm this is going to be the hotone here.
It's underrated, in my opinion.
It is 45 cals, 9 grams ofprotein.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
That's almost the protein level, but it tastes
like sadness.
It tastes like drywall fucked acardboard box and they had an
ugly little baby and it wasfat-free cheese.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
Rinse it, put it in a burger bowl and let it get all
melty, and then your brain willgo cheese it's I know just low
fat.
It's still like 70, 80 caloriesI respect that like I can deal
with low fat I.
I'm still going underratedbecause I'll do that to pump up
the protein when I, when I'm bad, all right.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Well, I'm going to ask another one on that topic,
because we're close to itCottage cheese overrated,
underrated, oh get out Overrated.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
I had a two-month period where I was tagged in
every cottage cheese recipe.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
That's where I'm at.
Every fucking video is cottagecheese bread, cottage cheese ice
cream, cottage cheese cottagecheese.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
I quit doing them because I got tagged so many
times.
I was like guys, I hate cottagecheese and I'm not going to sit
here and torture myself on theinternet.
I'm not going to be known asthe cottage cheese reaction guy,
so I quit doing them alltogether.
Oh, fair that's fair like I.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
even for someone like me who likes I drink, I eat
good culture cottage cheese witha spoon right out of the tub.
I like cottage cheese.
Yes, I'm weird, even for me Iwill still say overrated in the
nonsense we have built ourselvesover the last several months.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
If we eliminated all that nonsense and we just took
it as the fundamental food thatit is.
It is an underrated food.
You get a fat free version.
Yes, Low-cal, high protein.
Mix it with some seasonings.
Make yourself a sauce out of it.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Like you can do things with it to make it okay.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Like nikita fair's buffalo chicken.
Uh, burrito recipe that usescottage cheese.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's oneof the greatest meals I've ever
had in my life, but all this,like you said, the nonsense that
we're doing with it, I'm sorry,just get out just like it's not
ice cream.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
It's not, it's not fucking ice cream it's not.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
it's not cookie dough , it's not fudgeudge, it's none
of these things.
Oh, I did the cookie dough.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
I did the cookie dough.
It's not cookie dough, ittastes like almond flour.
It's so bad.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
Well, it's not horrible, but it's not good.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
It's not good.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
Don't package me almond flour and tell me it's
cookie dough, because the fatboy in me wants to throat punch
you when you do that.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
No, and like cottage cheese has got very slow
digesting.
You know like that's, that'sgreat, but just calm down with
all this fucking, all this otherstuff anyway, anything for the
clicks bro, anything I guessholy shit I'm gonna make cottage
cheese, cottage cheese andpeople are gonna flip out I was
choking my diet soda on that onewait.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
I've never heard of that before what is that.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
That's just where you take a spoon and you eat it out
of the fucking tub dude, yougotta do that in the troll video
.
I'm gonna do that I'm next iskind of she's, kind of she's, oh
man running as an exercise,running oh running as an
exercise for me overrated um I'ma walker, like I'll burn my

(59:54):
calories by walking.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
I'm less hungry when I do that.
Like I had a period where I ranthree and a half miles every
day.
You know know about five days aweek.
Uh, I was.
I was starving every time I didit, but I burned the same
amount of calories as if I justwent and walked that three and a
half miles.
Like, oh, I'm all right, I'llwalk.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Yeah, I don't like.
We've talked about it manytimes, we I'm not a runner, but
but like, if other people likeit, awesome, oh, um, um, um
fiber gummies, so like yoursmart sweets and your lilies and
that sort of stuff.
What?

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
do you think on that?
No, I'm all right.
Like I trust me, I get my fiberin as much as I can, but those,
those tear my stomach up prettybadly oh yeah, really you get
that.
That seems like some people getthat I have 40 to 60 grams of
fiber on a daily basis.
But for whatever reason, those,those gummies, hit me different
, interesting.
I wonder why?

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
because most of them are just soluble corn fiber, you
know, because that's the cheapsource, right.
So, like it's just corn fiberfrom corn, which you wouldn't
think.
That's weird.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
You know what I?

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
tried.
Recently, though, is Starburstnow has fiber gummies Very
pretty.
You didn't like those, theywere okay.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
They weren't like.
Oh, my God, my god, you know,let me get more of those.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
But oh no, like they're still fiber gummies yeah
, they're good but in the fibergummy scale I actually kind of
like them and I like that theyhad a little bit less fiber.
They weren't like 25 grams offiber, it was like eight or ten.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
And I was like I think that's why I like those.
Actually, I saw one that waslike 30 grams of fiber.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
I don't remember the brand name.

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
Yeah, and I'm right on that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
I have to try.
Mr Beast just came out withfiber gummies.
That's my next review thingPeople like the speed reviews
that I've been doing.
He came out with his own fibergummies.
I'm going to try those, butanyway.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
I'd order some, but they probably don't ship to
Canada.
Very good chance, rob.
Canada overrated or underrated.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
Ooh, depends like, since you can't ship to them.
They're overrated, that's likewhen I hear about some of the
cost and the pricing up thereand the economics up there, I'd
probably have to go overrated.
Bro, the people are underrated,the economics are, because if
you can survive up in Canada,it's winners.
Bro, you're an underrated humanbeing.

(01:02:00):
You deserve a freaking medal.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
To all our Canadian listeners.
You may feel great now thatyou're underrated.
You are so underrated youdeserve an underrated All two of
you.
All two of you listeners.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
And once Echo Vision gets ship to canada or daily.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
I feel so bad telling people we don't ship to canada
man uh I think we're kind ofused to it, so I don't don't
feel bad.
Yeah, like it's kind of a thingwe're just like.
Yeah, they probably don't shipto canada echo vision.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Echo vision yeah, I'll give you the most biased
answer ever.
I think we're underrated andthere's a reason for it.
There's a reason why Ipartnered with EchoVision is
because we do everything on acost-effective basis.
Our creatine, we give it foralmost 20 cents a serving.
The flavors are fantastic.
They're third-party tested.
The protein powders we do it ona dollar a serving basis.

(01:02:58):
If you get the 60 serving tub,when you compare that to
companies like rise or ghost orother companies like that,
they're coming in at a dollar 75a serving, sometimes over two
bucks.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
No-transcript my thing, so I'm gonna go.
You may as well just drop yourpromo code while you're at it
what's all right, it's codeformer guys.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
It's code former, code former.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
I mean, if it reminds you to take your creatine
getting a flavor, then go for it, Because that's the toughest
part about creatine it's justremembering to take it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Yes absolutely and honestly.
If you're like a reallycost-effective person, just go
on to Amazon.
Get the NutriCost unflavoredcreatine.
It's stupid cheap Creatineshould not be expensive.
If a company is charging you$60 for 30 servings.
Laugh at that company.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Did you see my video on the women's creatine?
Oh my god, that pissed me offso much.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
I was like are you kidding me?
Bcaas and collagen?

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
It was one gram.
It was one gram of BCAAs.
How many times?

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
can you make the pink tax?
The pink tax is alreadyinsulting enough to women and
now we have to like straight up,just laugh at them and they got
a woman to do the ad and I waslike this is so bad.
I don't like shaming people orcalling people out to like that
kind of a level, but like forher, like she should be ashamed
of herself and the start of thevideo was creatine was made by
man for man, and the start ofthe video was creatine was made

(01:04:43):
by man for man, which I mean afreaking

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
man, I mean made by me, like I could do an hour long
podcast just on that tinysegment.
Like it was so good.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Oh, I should be ashamed of themselves.
Creatine should be affordable,that's.
That's the point of it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
And it was, and the thing was.
They said it.
So it's the same price as the,as the men's creatine, but it's
less.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
You get less in the, in the product so it's so it is
more expensive yeah, see, peopledon't look at that.
You get to look at everythingon a per serving basis, that's
why so?

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
you look at the price .
You're like, oh, it's the sameprice, so I'll get it.
Like no, you're, you're gettinglike 30 less exactly, product
exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
Oh gosh, that was.
I was like I don't believe thisshit?

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
that's so, oh yeah.
So just just get creatine.
Creatine, yes, one of the fewsub, one of the only supplements
I'd recommend.
I think you know, especially ifyou're working out great, try
and remember to take it, oh okay, I got one last one for you
would you have liam overrated orunderrated overrated,

(01:05:44):
underrated me, I'd go underratedor trash no, I'd go underrated
on that, like I.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
You should be like a two or three million follower,
bro, like I had a millionfollowers.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
I feel overrated as fuck right now.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
Oh no, no, you deserve two or three with some
of the people I see that have 10million followers.
You deserve more than that.
You were one of the first guysI actually did collabs with on
TikTok dude and I had a blast.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
That was fun, yeah.
Yeah, we did some protein barones and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
That's just as fun.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
That's fun.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
You're always underrated In moderation.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
Plug again and underrated.
I think we have seven on thepodcast.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
I'm pretty proud of that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
What's the CTP?
In moderation, ctp is a four.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
That's the perfect score on CTP.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
You cannot score better than that score oh shit,
but that doesn't sound like it'san in moderation score.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
It doesn't matter we, but that doesn't sound like
it's an in moderation score, itdoesn't matter, we still got a
perfect score.

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
That's what matters.
That's the important part.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Okay, well, where can people find your channels?

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
I'm predominantly on TikTok.
I'm mainly TikTok former FatGuy Fitness, but I'll be making
some more Instagram and YouTubecontent, so check me out.
Check me out on TikTok,instagram and YouTube Former Fat
Guy Fitness, nice, and use hispromo code if you want to.
Only if you need it, though,like I'll never have anybody buy
anything unless you're canadian, in which case you're screwed,

(01:07:06):
sorry, you're screwed, you'retotally screwed no echo vision
for you, yeah well you know, atleast you get free health care,
we'll take, hey, at least if youtear your

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
bicep you, you can get it.
We can actually go no pain, nogain, because you know when we
do get the pain, we're coveredyeah man Great.

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